Thinking Sideways: Coral Castle

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Thinking sideways. I don't under stories of things we simply
don't know the answer too. Well, Hi there everybody, and
thanks for joining us. This is Thinking Sideways once again,

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and I'm Steve, as always, joined by Devin and Joe.
And as Joe likes to say, we have another hard
hitting Mysteries assault. Absolutely no, no, no, no, the mystery
isn't hard hitting. Our our attack on our episode is
hard hitting. Is well, I've never quite understood how you
went about that, the whole hard hitting thing. Yeah, it's
just it's just a cliche. You don't really want to

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like delve into the brain of Joe, do you know?
Not really? No? No, Well, let's let's talk about today's Okay,
we'll take the hard hitting part off of there. We're
going to talk about a place called Coral Castle, which
some people may have heard of. It's an awesome alliteration.
What's that, the Coral Castle? The coral Castle, even though
it's actually made of limestone, no spoilers. Uh. Well, the

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thing about Coral Castle is we know who made it,
and we know when it was made, but we don't
quite know how it was made, which is kind of
where all of the questions come from, But we should
probably start with who made it, because we do know
that with an unpronounceable name, I actually I can pronounce
it because the video on YouTube his name is Edward

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leads Scalon, scaldon Ye Gallion. It sounds like a pirate
name kind of when you say it that way. I'm
just gonna call him ed or Edward from now on
because it's much easier. Ed was born in years before me. Yes,

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in Latvia is not exactly, it's just one of the
Baltic states. It's it's so it's really close to the
Baltic anomaly. That's right. Oh No, Edward Edward left his
native country of Latvia. He had a pretty bad reason

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for leaving. He was engaged, and he was engaged to
a girl who, according to legends, they always say her
name is Agnes Scoffs or Agnes vast Yeah, Scoffs is
There's a lot of contention around that, right, because it's
not even a Latvian It's not even a properly format
and Latvian word. It's phonetically written, is what I can

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I gather from reading her actual name. That was my
take on it too, But you'll see that around the Internet,
people saying, no, it's not even legit. Yeah, I think
Scoffs is not. It was maybe better. But but here's
here's the even better part about her name is, according
to some of the research that I found, that's not
her name. Joe, you're gonna have to help me with

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how to pronounce this. Is this her money, Louis, do
you know how to say that? With the no? I
don't know what that little means in Latin. It's not
even it's a it's a double dot. I don't know
what it is, but it's the thing is Agnes. He
was He was engaged to Agnes, regardless of how you

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say your name, and he called her his sweet sixteen
because she was sixteen and he was ten years older
than her, because in that day and age, an older
man always married the younger girl. So he he was
six and he reportedly what had happened is the day

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before their wedding she called it off. He was heartbroke,
and he left and he moved to the continental United States.
So he worked. I've seen record that he worked in
Canada and that he worked in Texas and a couple
of different places. Emmanual labor Yeah, he was. He was
actually a logger in Canada, which may explained how he

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got some extratise in moving a heavy objects. Yeah, he was.
He was did a lot of stuff back in those days.
There was still a lot of old growth around, so
those trees were before out of it. Actually exactly when
we were logging it all out. Yeah, pretty much was.
She called the wedding off. It was, and he moved

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to the US and was working for about six years
until nineteen nineteen when he got a little bit of tuberculosis,
just a small case, just a smidge of tuberculosis. Yeah,
even a smidge is not such a good thing. It's
grandfather got that they were actually going to um they
were going to quarantine him. They were gonna like lock

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him up in a in a tuberculosis hospital. So he
lived in Los Angeles at the time, and my grandmother
did so basically, uh, they bought a small house out
east in the desert of Los Angeles and this little
town called Hesperia, and they and he had to promise
to just stay in the house and not go out.
I remember you talking about basically and her self house arrest.

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But he figured it was better than being stuck in
an asylum. Yeah, that's true. It's still quarantine. Don't they
still quarantine people with Yeah, because it's very it's easy
to contract Ed moved to Florida because the doctors told
him that the weather there would be better for his condition.
So short of they didn't even threaten to quarantine, and

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they were just like, hey, moved to this place. Yeah. Interesting,
you could go to somewhere where we're not don't talk
to anybody, and smoke a lot of cigarette. You know
that actually used to treat tuberculosis. What Yeah, Yeah, that's
what we've talked about. That one and the most the
most the most favored one was the cool refreshing taste
of Lucky strikes on filters y. Yeah. Well Ed says

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that he cured his tuberculosis through the aid of magnets.
So he didn't evidently have that bat of a case
of tuberculosis, but he did have it. But we're going
to start hearing about magnets more and more as we
talked about him. But he said he cured himself using magnetism.

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I had to say if he really did that and
he didn't share share that technique with the rest of
the world, and it's rather selfish of him, you know.
I feel like he tried to share it. As we
get further, we'll learn more about him. He tried to
share some of his information and people were like, wow,
you're crazy people. He did some pamphlets and he did well.

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When when Edward got to Florida, he bought a piece
of property in Florida City, which is on a very
very southern tip of Florida. It's really far south. It's
like south of Miami, and Miami's pretty dang south is
to the south. I believe, if I remember right at
the time that he bought it, it was the southernmost

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city in the continental US that he moved. It was
one of the last cities before you got to the Keys.
And I don't know if that's still the case, but
that was the case at the time that I read. Yeah,
I don't know, but he he went down there, he
bought he bought a piece of ground, and then what
he started to do was he started to build a

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monument to his ex fiance as a way to impress her.
According to what he said is that he loved her
still and that he was pining for her. Look at
all these things I've done for you. I wonder if
he was busy constructing a castle back in Latvia, and
she just sort of took a look at that and said,
you know what, I think I'm breaking off. Maybe that

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was the reason it might be. But the thing is
she she never saw as we're as we're gonna talk about.
He worked on this for thirty years and she never
came and saw what he built in her honor. So
what what what ed did is he began to build

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monolithic structures. He would carve out stones, these giant ton
or multiple ton weighed stones, and he would erect him
on his property. Well, at one point he decided that
he didn't like Florida City, and according to the legends,
it's because they were planning a subdivision near him and

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he was weirded out by having other people near him.
So instead he decided he moved to Homestead, Florida, which
he's a very private and homesteads about ten miles away.
He bought a chunk of ground there and over the
course of three years, every huge piece of stone that
he'd put in place, he moved to this new location,

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which is a lot of work. Like nobody, nobody saw
him working on his stuff. Nobody saw him loading the
trail either, because what he was doing was putting it
onto a trailer and then having a friend hauled by
tractor the ten miles down the road to his new place. Obviously,
moving all that stuff a lot of work. Did I
mention his bill little? No, I haven't. Ed was five

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foot tall and wait about a hundred pounds. Yeah, he
was smaller than I am. He was smaller than you are.
He was an itty bitty guy, and he was building
these giant stone structures. And then at one point he
moves him all to this new place, and very fortunately
for him, he didn't like lose control of any of
these monoliths and had them squash him. No, he never
did get squashed that we know of. That's not how

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he died. Even No, it's not how he died. He
would have died if one of these things had fallen
on Yeah. Oh yeah. He love some big rocks, he
really did. And I think we we mentioned this just
just briefly, is that no one ever saw Edward working
on any of these monoliths. Okay, that's not legend. No

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one saw him working on it. He was he would
work on things at night, and according to the legends,
if someone was watching him, even if he didn't see them,
he would just stop working until they left, and then
he would start working again, which is part of the
air of mystery about how how did he know well,
you know ed worked. He owned his property, and he

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worked on it, and he worked on it until nine So,
like I said, it's about thirty years he's been doing
all this work, and he's been erecting all of these
monoliths and doing all this carving, and by the way,
conducting guided tours of the place for anybody that wanted
to come by and ring the doorbell. That was pretty
And this guy would come down from his little towers

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did ring the bell twice. Yeah, he had had a
residence in his castle tower. He built a castle tower
for himself. Pay him a dime and he'd come down
and give you a tour. And and he wrote he
didn't have a formal education, but he believed that he
had figured out a lot of science, and he didn't
believe that modern science was right about a lot of things,

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including magnetism. He really was believed he'd figured out electricity
and magnetism. And he wrote all these pamphlets and handouts,
and so he was selling those two people who would
come and visit the site as well, Oh you want
to die, Hi, come on in, you want one of these.
It's I don't know, a penny or or whatever he
was charging for him. People would buy him. So he
was making a decent living on it. I would say

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he was making more than a Yeah, he he obviously
didn't was not hurting for money. Good for him to.
Is there to be rewarded for all that hard labor. Indeed,
and he was a tough old bird. He was sixty
four when he died. Being a tough old guy. What
did he do? He didn't feel good. One day, he
got up, He put a sign on the door that
said going to hospital. He walked to the bustop, he

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got on the bus, and he went to the doctor
in Miami. In Miami, which is which was like a
three two or three hour bus ride, several hours on
a bus. We don't know when, but at some point,
either before he left home, or while he was on
the bus, or while he was at the hospital, he
had a stroke. Yeah. I thought it was on the bus.
But yeah, and again, this is one of those things

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you can't I keep seeing different places? And somehow during
all of this, when he was sick, he got a
kidney infection, and the kidney infection is what killed him.
But according to accounts, some say three days, some say
it took up to twenty eight days for him to die.
But the guy, Yeah, but didn't they have antibiotics in

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those days. I don't know if they didn't diagnose it
ride or what the deal was, but that's what killed him,
was the infection of the kidney. Maybe it did irreversible
damage before they caught it. And it's again one of
those things that records are not really easy to get to,
so I don't know exactly what it was. But we've
talked about Yeah, yeah, so Ed died. We should probably

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no talk about Coral Castle, the actual site. Yeah you
guys want to go there? Yeah? Okay, well why don't
we whyn't We have the time machine and we'll go
back to and check this place out, all right, the
way back machine. Okay, Actually, let's go back a little further.
Let's go back to like right when he started it.

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You don't want to wait, you want to go back,
but I do want to. Can we stop for snacks. Uh, well, yeah,
we can stop for snacks, but only if you promised
not to drop any food this time. Yeah. I found
a mommified French fry the other day that I know.
It was from our trip to ancient England. You remember
that the two princes in the tower. So you found
a chip? Hey, who got the cheese? Sorry? Why did

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we not building windows? And this thing? I need to
crack one. Okay, here we are, we're at We're in
or yea castle in the forties. Yeah, okay, so first
black and white. The first thing to look around. I

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mean you're gonna see this place is not that big.
It's about two hundred yards by two hundred yards, so
it's it's not a big estate or a big chunk
of ground that we've that we're standing on two yards
compared to something yeahs is twice at length the football field.
We know that doesn't work for it, actually time does it? Okay,

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So it's not a big place, but you're canna see
there's there's all these giant stones that are erected. I
mean we're seeing here that we've got. It's all limestone,
by the way, which is kind of crazy, and it's
made of the limestone. It's it's what they call light.
I believe it's how you pronounce it is like a
creamy buttery spread that you put on your rolls. No,

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not this time, is that as I think it's it's two. Oh,
so I'm gonna say, oh light, light is made out
of fossilized shell and coral, right right, So I think
that's why it's called coral. Right now, it's it's it's
like it's limestone that has some fossilized shells and corals mostly,

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but it's mostly actually okay, so it's basically limestone. Yeah,
thanks for crushing my dreams. But no, I mean as
as we're looking around, like I said, these things are
really big, and you know, we're looking at these stones.
The walls, they're about three foot thick, they're eight foot
high and each sections about seven foot across. So these

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are big slabs of stones. Ed was quarrying right here
on the site. And there's no seams. I mean, there's
you can't see the right seems. Yeah, everything bordering or
anything like that. It's it's very tight. We've got over here,
we've got some rocking chairs, giant stone rocking chairs, which
actually rock. I want to sit in one of those,
can't I let it? Awesome, don't break it. What's crazy

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about these rocking chairs is they are so well done
that they actually rock, so their center of gravity works.
It's not like a big, heavy thing that just sits,
which is pretty amazing when you think one guy carved
this all by hand. It was actually it appears that
he was a pretty competent designer. He didn't I mean
the door or the door for example. We'll get to
that now. With the door, it was an amazing piece

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of work. Well, let's talk about the door. The door
is about six and a half seven foot tall and
it's just a rotating door. It rotates on its center axis. Now,
the really interesting thing is that. Okay, so he had
to put this thing in place. The awesome thing is that,
according to the legends, it was so well balanced that

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a child could open it with a push of a finger. Okay,
well it was really well balanced. But nobody knew how
he did it. It wasn't until about I think about
twenty years or so ago. It was the eight right,
the doors stopped working. Yeah, so they had to like
fix it. They had to fix that. When they figured
out how he did it. They had to bring in

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a crane like several ton crane that you could pick
up several tons at a time. And what they figured
out is he had an axle with a giant truck
bearing in the center of it, and that's how the
whole thing rotated. Yeah, and then the bearing had rusted
out over the years. When they fixed it, it didn't
work as well. And then it broke again years later,
and they fixed it again and it works even worse. Yeah,

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it broke again not that long after. Considering that that
it lasted so long after he put it in place,
by the serious millions, Well it's you know, more proof
that they just don't make them like they used to
know they Yeah, so anyway, but yeah, and my hat's
off to the guy. Yeah, he was kind of whacko,
but well he did crazy things. I mean, he did
these these giants, stone circles and globes that are supposed

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to be the planets. He's got phases of the moon
with a moon pool with a star coat carved in
the middle all of the pool. Uh, there's tables and
chairs that have shrubs growing in the middle of the table.
It's it's all it's it's on a giant scale, but
it's a little weird. There's some pretty freaking cool you know,

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it's actually aligned with the stars, right Abel, that's aligned
with the north star over there. Yeah, that one. And
you'll see there's a little wires going through the center.
There used to be wires going through the center of
the whole, and that's how you could well, there are
right now because we're in nineteen right, I forgot, Well,
there's wires in the middle of it, and that's how

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you could tell you could catch the north Star to
know that you were aligned correctly. Just really really crazy,
because it is amazing. That's the door is still working.
I'm gonna go see if I can actually push it
up with one finger. It takes a little more than
one thing. There's a pretty heavy check rock. You're not

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a child. Maybe a child could do it. Yeah. Center,
it's the center of gravity. You know, you're center at
he's too high. That's why all right, Well, now, the
great thing about the construction, by the way, I know
we haven't said it yet, or we alluded to it
a little bit, actually, is that Ed had built a tower,
a tower for himself. It's only two stories high. But
he built that on the property and he lived in

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the second floor. Because we talked about ringing the bell
twice to get him to come down. That's where he lived.
And as Devon was saying earlier, everything is so well
made that the seams don't allow light through. So he
carved everything so smooth and aligned it so well that
you just you don't get a breeze through it. Basically,
I heard, by the way, a little digression here that

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I heard that his family back in Latvia were actually stonemasons.
I did hear that he actually worked as a mason himself.
I I did see the accounting of that, so I
think that's probably where he learned the trade. But he
obviously he perfected it when he was in Florida, and
it seems like he's it was just a bit of
an obsessive, compulsive kind of guy. He might have been

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actually building my own castle. I don't think I would
have to like you, I have every scene be perfect.
You know, I can't even build a snow castle and quit,
so I I you've got to be just really focused.
I think if you're building a place that you're living,
you're going to be a little more. You know, I
think you if you're if you're building a place that

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you're going to live in, especially like in the winter,
even though it is Florida. I have been in Florida
in the winter. It's not cold like we would say cold,
but you don't want to be sleeping outside. Um, so
I think you would do all you could to try
and make the seals. But for it to for that
to continue out throughout the entire campus of the Coral

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Castle is interesting to me. You know. It's one thing
to say his room was really well sealed. Well, of
course his room is really well sealed, because like, who
wants scorpions and cons that you didn't, you know, whatever,
But to say also the walls were perfectly sealed those
that was a big wall, you know, So I think
for me that's where that comes in A yeah, And
also should be should be noted that this the construction

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is rock solid because even Hurricane Andrew, it was like
it was like an almost direct hit of the hurricane
and nothing moving. Nothing. And again these are several tons
of stones but obviously well laid, and he built it all.
It's a it's a style of masonry r stone masonry
it's called Cyclopean masonry, and that's where you don't actually

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use any mortars. So most of us know, you know,
you have a brick house and it's got mortar between
all the stones. This has no mortar, there's no nothing.
It's literally just the weight of the stones so well
fitted together that it holds it all together. This is
what some of the ancient walls that you see that
are historical, we're built using that style. Starting to get

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into my ancient Aliens. And in Peru, the Incas had
that same sort of thing. You don't see any of
it and mortar at all, but they were perfectly square. Yep.
It's well, there were some that were that weren't exactly square,
but they still they fit together. So yeah. Well, here's
one other odd thing um that about it is ed

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didn't actually call this place Coral Castle. He called it Blackgate.
It wasn't until after he died the property sold. Somebody
in the family inherited it, and I think that I
lived in Michigan, and he didn't want it, and so
we sold it somebody else, who it sounds like, didn't
even realize that this stuff was on the property when

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they bought it. And then they realized it could be
a tourist attraction, and then they changed the name to
Coral Castle. It's actually on the Registry of Historic Places,
but it's under the original name of Blackgate Park. I
thought it was changed in two thousand eleven. The registry portion, uh,
you know, it might have been. I had a heart.
I was really trying to track where and why the

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name got changed. And again it was like really dicey
to figure out why they did it and how they
did it. But I know on their on the official
website they say it's still listed as block now. They
might they might not have updated their stuff. They also
say that he was engaged to Agnes Scott's, so maybe

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they're too worried about it. I haven't been is meticulous
about like finding out about the history of this place
as we've been. Yeah, exactly. I gotta say for somebody
that that that was a nice little windfall for somebody
to be able to like just sort of luck into
that place, because I imagine you can make some money
opportunity attractions like this. Absolutely absolutely well. I think that's
enough about ed and it's probably enough to start off

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with kind of getting an idea what Coral Castle looks like,
giants several tons stone. Of course, pictures on the website
we have at least and Google it. There's tons of
images on Google. But if we're going to talk about
there is, do we need to like squeeze back into
the way back machine and go back to two thousand
and fourteen. Oh yeah, we're there. Okay, we're there. We're okay. Okay,

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that was easy. Oh so we weren't really in Florida
in the n We were, but while you two were
talking and you're eating your snacks, all right, we time
machined there but transported back. Yeah, we're mixing, mixing, all right.
So I mean we talked about the fact that Ed

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was a little guy. Yeah, and the stone that Coral
Castle is built out of. They say that it is
eleven hundred tons of stone that he erected, that he carved. Well,
that's that's a lot of rock for one little guy.

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Some of it, they said, was corried like right out
the back of his property, right. I don't remember which
property it was, it was the new second property. I
wonder if that's why that must have played a factor
and his reasoning to buy the new place a place
where you Yeah, that must have been a big factor.
So I guess you know, that's a little bit of
a side note to add to the understanding of this

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whole thing. And I think we talked a little bit
about Ed was very secretive and he didn't tell people
how he had how he built all this stuff. People
don't always ask him. And this will this will go
right into our first theory, which is that Ed discovered
the secret of the Egyptians, the ancient Egyptian spy. That's
what he said. Do you think maybe had a way

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back machine too? Man? Did everybody have one of these?
Not everybody? I swear that the guy that I bought
this from said it was one of a kind. I
also played. Yeah, yeah, he was kind of weird guy.
Well Ed said that he had discovered the secrets of
the Pyramids and that's all he would ever tell people

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when they would ask him how he was was doing
it again, he wouldn't give out a lot of information.
But the only thing he would say besides the secrets
of the pards was that he understood the laws of
weight and leverage. Well, yeah, like write a pamphlet to
that effect here, Yeah he did. But still didn't explain

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exactly how he used weight and leverage. Yeah, he kind
of he kind of kept it under his hat, right, Yeah,
because you know, if I discover a secret, I'm not
going to tell anybody, but there's it for myself. But
there does happen to be a guy who's alive right
now today who has figured a bunch of this stuff out,
Mr Wally Wallington. Really Wallington duously lives in Michigan. Which

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it turns out that both Devan and I have relatives living. Yeah,
and I guess did it weren't we earlier saying that
we thought that this guy's family was maybe in Michigan. Yeah,
I believe it was Michigan. Was where the distant relative
who inherent property. Yeah, there's always there's always a Michigan connection. Yeah.

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But anyway, um, yeah, so Wally and and just if
any of you want to do a quick google on
Wally Wallington YouTube and you can you can watch the
videos of this guy moving around massive massive chunks of
concrete ads stones. Really interesting. He moves a barn at
one point, like an actual barn, huge little without without machinery.

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Now he's using two by fours and counterweights and some
rocks and some literally little little, small little rocks and
just leveraging things around, and it's it's amazing to watch. Yeah,
the guys, the guy's pretty ingenious. And you know, usually
we make fun of people like this, you know, it's
tongue in cheek loving, we make fun of these people.
But this guy, we all kind of sat around watching

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the video really ready, I think for all of us
to be like, oh, this is dumb, and we like
got further into the video and we're like, wait, that
totally makes sense. Thinks that he's handed out how the
ancient Brits managed to put up stonehead, which is and
he actually gives a visual demonstration of himself. He has

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by himself putting pounds obelisk and standing it up into
a hole in the ground. He was moving a several
ton block. He said he could move at three feet
in a day, at an hour. At in an hour,
he says, it's a massive block, and he's using two

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small round stones. He can basically screwch it back and
forth over these stones and just pivoted on these on
these two different stones. Now we should go ahead and
like make sure that everybody knows that, at least in
these videos. Everything he showed when he was scooching these stones,
he was doing it on flat concrete. Told that it
would be way harder to do on like a gravel path,

(28:43):
grass or something. He has, but he has that other
ingenious method is at the beginning of the video, he
built the thing out of wood. That is basically, so
if you like take and he had like this massive
chunk of concrete that was like like like a wrecked
angular concrete, but it was square if you look at
it on end, and so if you take uh, so

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let's let's say that that is so let's say three
ft on one side. Then he basically built a structure
and it's like got these semi circles, and the distance
around the radius of that thing for each one of
these semicircles is also three ft same as the rock, right,
a stone he's making. And then basically this thing is
a whole series of these semi circles pointing upwards. And

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he was just rolling that thing across that a massive,
massive chuckle, square concrete and he was just rolling it
right across there well by hand. It was yeah, yeah,
that was amazing, And really it's disturbing, and I believe
his he says. I believe he said at one point,
I'm going to do this without any mechanical machinery used.

(29:52):
And it is. It's two by fours and a couple
of rocks fours and some and some concrete weights, just
using weights and stuff. And yeah, it's really cool. And
if if Ed used that same technique, that would explain
how he moved all these huge stones and how he
levered him into place. Yea, if this is this, if

(30:12):
this technique is also what the ancient Egyptians used, which
currently modern science thinks that they just did it all
the hard way with you know, thousands of thousands of slaves,
divers dragging these things along logs and logs and logs. Actually,
although actually there's a there's a more recent theory that
they actually um poured the blocks of the pyramids in place.

(30:35):
Actually that instead of Corey and them and dragging them
for a long distance, they actually poured him in place. Yeah,
kind of crew concrete in place. That is one theory.
And they made him on the spot so I didn't
have to drag him, so I still had to drag
weapons into place. Well, but here's here's the crazy thing.
The pyramids. They figure right now it took twenty years

(30:56):
to make each pyramid, and they say that it required
a labor force of one D two hundred thousand people.
If they're using the same techniques that Wally Wallington and
ed theoretically might have been using, it would have actually
only taken about five thousand men, which is a huge

(31:19):
reduction in labor force themselves. Says, you know, it's it's
quite possible that the ancient Breads who put up Stonehenge,
and it was actually it's quite possible, was a much
much smaller crew than anybody up to now is ever believed.
I believe we said when we were watching that video
that maybe it just was one weird Yeah, exactly, what
does Fred do it? He playing with rocks? So what

(31:43):
are the theories do we have here? Well, we've got
magnetic A lines. You all know what magnetic A lines are, right, yeah? Yeah, thertex. Yes,
they're the supposed magnetic lines that run through the earth
and where they cross they have strange properties. Vortex exactly.
I'm just gonna keep saying the Oregan vortex, right. Yes,

(32:06):
Actually I've heard about it, but I've never been should
I should go? It's not that far away. Not so.
According to Ed, he said that he could see the
magnetic properties of things because he understood the natural magnetism
of everything, and that he saw all these magnetic properties

(32:27):
as beads of light, so that he could actually visualize them,
and so he would see it and he would know
where the magnetic lines were to then use those. There's
there's talk that the reason that he moved Coral Castle
wasn't because of a subdivision, but because he realized that
there was better lay lines somewhere else, which happened to

(32:50):
be his new property, and that's why he moved everything.
There is TV hallucinations. Yeah, and that that theory that
that Ed moved everything that's put out by an author
who's got the awesome name of Race Stoner. Yeah yeah,

(33:11):
but yeah, according to Stoner, he says that that's why
it was. It was that. There's another author named B. J.
Cathy who is purported to be an authority on grid dynamics.
Well that's the I'm I'm an authority on hat wearing

(33:33):
property dynamics. You know how I am an authority on that?
I just made it up. Okay, Well, and I'm going
to read directly from this just so I can explain
this properly, at least say it properly. There exists in
all encompassy global grid with direct harmonic relationship to the
speed of light, gravity, magnetics, and earth mass. All major

(33:58):
changes of the physical state are about my harmonic interactions
of these manifestations. The controlled manipulation of these forces would
make it possible to instantaneously move mass from one point
to another in space time. The measurements from Coral Castle
yield harmonics related to light and gravity. The distance between

(34:21):
Coral Castle and grid Pole A in the north to
spell any doubt that the site being an ideal position
to allow ed leads Scalnan to erect the huge blocks
of Coral with relative ease. Measurements indicate the harmonics necessary
for the manipulation of anti gravity listeners, Can I hear

(34:43):
real for you? With you? You can't get behind this one.
Turn my hat backwards on, sitting my chair backwards. Okay,
get it real with you? How to get a starburst
right now? While Steve was reading that to not burst
out into rain and by the way, this is not
product place are delicious? No, I had to put a

(35:04):
candy in my mouth, because I would not out burst
out into rage, just like what what what? It's just crap,
you know what, Like like just to take one one phrase,
make it possible to instantaneously move mass from one point
to another spacetime. I just feel like you're talking about wormholes. Yeah, yeah,
I mean instantaneously moving from one to another. Yeah, maybe wormholes.

(35:27):
I don't know what basically was using wormhole technology. The
call it wormhole technology, not magnetic ley lines. And that's
the shortest wormhole I've ever seen. Christ Also, the distance
between Coral Castle and Gridpole a in the north you
mean between the north pole and that and where he

(35:49):
put his thing, Because if it's a distant thing, then
why aren't people all over the place? Sorry almost swore,
why are people all over the place on that same
line suddenly like moving their stuff like magic? Because really,
what she's saying, right is that like, oh, it could

(36:09):
have magically happened, Like what did he just like think it?
So what happened? Did he have to use some technology
to have it happy? Must have had some special talent,
because otherwise wouldn't anybody who pays the business to the
Coral Castle will be able to grab one of those
massive chunks of rock and just move around. And actually,
let's be fair, I did read a description of Ed
that said that all all signs pointed to him being

(36:32):
a modern geomanswer. Yes, Okay, we're just gonna keep going
on that. There's other claims that the same people who
talk about this global harmonics say that some people when
they walk through the gate of Coral Castle experience a
headache because they're just not used to being in that
strong of a field. Okay, but that's the same thing.

(36:52):
I'm going to talk about the Oregon wortex for a minute.
I got a headache when I'm there too. You know why,
because everything is built on a weird keel. Like there's
a thing that's built totally opposite. There's a cabin that's
built totally opposite the way that you would assume that
things are. You walk into it and things roll up
hill and like, of course your brain is gonna hurt.

(37:12):
Like I was there once and a woman fainted and
the woman was like, get her off the magnet line.
She's having a negative reaction to the magnet line. No,
she was pregnant and drunk and she yeah, it is
southern Oregon whatever. But I mean it was just kind
of one of those things where it's like I can

(37:34):
get on board with so many theories, but this one.
That's why I put this quote in there, because if
you knew, because it's it does, it is a bit
outland is and it's very hard to get behind, and
there are people who are staunch believers in it. I'm
not going to talk against him, but I don't buy it.
It's it's a little bit of this gives me actually

(37:58):
hope for the future though, because I have been one
lately about how to make more money, and you know,
there's a there really is a bottomless market for this
kind of crap. It really is, and so I'm thinking
it's time to start writing books about supernatural phenomenon. I mean,
it's one thing. You know, one of the theories with
the with the Pyramids is this whole like ancient alien

(38:19):
technology of you know, they had to use this thing
and it was an anti gravity force or whatever. I
can I can get on board without way more than
this magnetic a line. Oh, in the way that it
was was in proximity to the you know, the North Pole,
Like that's it's I think that this might be the

(38:42):
angriest time we've ever managed to get you on this show.
You have to start fighting stories that involved magnetically. Apparently
I got to write the Encyclopedia of Magnetically I didn't
get you. Actually, I really, I really want I'm going
to really work on this hard and try to come

(39:02):
up with some incredible piece of just crap to arrive
on the Magnetic a Lines. Okay, I wanted my my
very own piece of bs out there, Cyclopedia of Magnetic
air Lines, so that I can write a very honest introduction,
swear word laden introduction, and we'll just see where it goes.

(39:24):
Why don't we before somebody's head explodes, Why don't we
move forward? Let's go to the next theory, which is
actually pretty simple one. It's basic walking tackle. You're like
alternating yes, and there are there are, by the way,
there are photographs out there of this guy using a great,
big huge tripod and block and tackle and everything to

(39:46):
move rocks around. Yeah. Well, and and that's that's the
thing is You're absolutely right, Joe, and I'll describe this
for everybody. Is there's there's photos of Ed on the
property and he's got three telephone polls and there I
kind of tried to guess the scale, and I'm gonna
say they'ret and he's got a cable and chain and

(40:08):
a lever and pulleys, and he's got a stone lifted up.
So it seems like maybe he was using very basic
technology to move them. But Steve, there's a black box
on the top of those polls. Just a second, just
a second there, all right. So my thing is is that, yes,
this would allow him to raise them up. What I

(40:31):
don't see is how that would allow him to move
them horizontally very easily. I'm not saying he didn't use
basic block and tackle, but that doesn't explain how he
did everything, because you looked it up and down. But
then how do you move it left to right, especially
the ten miles right? Well, but the you know, but

(40:53):
you can raise it up and then set it on
like like set it on a bunch of logs, like
the ancient Egyptians just rolled on logs, and you could
you could maybe the guy had a cart, you know,
with big old wheels on it. You could set the
stuff on a cart and then just moved it to
where he needed to. I gotta be honest with you,
I am bigger than he is or was, and I
could not push a stone on a car, even like

(41:15):
a well, but you know the thing is, now that
I think about it, he could have also. Okay, let's
let's let's run it this way. Let's say he's got
more than one tripod set up, he's got a cart,
and he sets the other tripod up and then using
a wench system and your cart that you came up
with just pulls it on the cart with a wench
system across the property. That make a lot of sense, Yeah, because, yeah,

(41:38):
pushing something that size would be part of the pushing
your car. Yeah, you'd have to. You'd have to you'd
have to tie a rope to it and have a
winch and something like that. And it's entirely feasible. Yeah, no,
and it makes sense. And I was I was looking
at it because there's these couple of photos of him
with this this block and tackle system. But there's not

(41:59):
a lot of reports of people who lived in the
area seeing this tripod set up all the time. The stories.
Nobody says, oh yeah, we always saw that, you know,
ed with this silly tripod of of wood erected. Well,
I I looked into the census, I was like, well,
there's got to be a bunch of people around. It
was pretty empty area back. It was because when he

(42:21):
moved there, let's see, in the nineteen twenty census in
that city there were hundred people, and by the time
he died around nineteen fifty, there was forty five hundred people.
And he was and he wasn't He wasn't on the
main draft and he was out I don't know if
you want to call it the suburbs. He was. He

(42:42):
was out. And the area that he lived in this
town was fifteen miles across, so it wasn't a big town.
So we're talking at its peak in nineteen fifty, that's
four hundred people per square mile, and you know they're
going to be concentrated in mostly one area he owned.
How much of that land did he own? It was

(43:03):
a good chunk, wasn't it. You know? That was one
of the hard parts is that it never says how
much area he actually owned. I couldn't get a handle
on that. Nobody ever says ed bought X number of
acres or something, right. I guess my understanding is like
he owned the part that the Coral Castle proper is on, right,
but he also owned a part where he was coreing

(43:25):
rock behind it and some property property large enough that
somebody could say like, oh, I didn't even know that
there was a thing on there. I mean, obviously not huge,
but I think the sense that I got was that
it was, you know, it's got to be bigger than
the castle property. Yeah. Absolutely. And we'll step back now
to what you brought up, which is the black box. Yeah,

(43:48):
in the photo where and that you see of ed
with this stone literally just a little bit off the ground,
there's this funny square, black looking box at the top
of his tripod, balanced on the top. It looks kind
of balanced, and there's he's nailed two buys or some
kind of sporards on it to make a ladder to
go up to the top. And some of our more

(44:12):
far flung friends have said that he had some kind
of device in there that he was to so that
that and that allowed him to easily lift and move
the block. So he was keeping that hidden from people.
For a guy you so private, I don't understand when
he let somebody on the property to take a picture

(44:32):
of him while he was working. Yeah, that's a big
question to me, right, that he seems to have been
so private he would like stop working. If him they
wouldn't tell him, or he wouldn't tell them how he
was doing things. But there's these pictures of him actively
working on a tripod. There's only two or three. Yeah,
but I have heard stories too that, you know, it

(44:53):
might be that this whole idea that he was super
secretive and everything was just a little bit part of
the mythology of the whole thing, and that he actually,
you know, didn't actually wasn't that upset as people wanted
to show up and hang out and watch him do
a thing. Yeah, and and and that that could very
well be. I mean, it's it's hard to say. I
don't know for sure. So that's block and tackle. Yeah,

(45:15):
let's let's let's go into where next one. Our next
one is, well, Devin, are you gonna be okay with this?
It's anti gravity? Are you anti gravity? Praty realized. I mean,
if we didn't have gravity, we'd be like in space
right now, we'd be like floating around now. No, Yeah,

(45:38):
I think I mean, just explain it a little more.
But I think I'm gonna be less angry about this
the other So when we talked about ed wrote pamphlets
and he believed he had a better understanding of science
than modern science did, and he he was really into
how electricity and electro magnetism worked. That was kind of
his thing. When was Tesla around, Tesla was like, let's

(46:00):
the late nineteenth century, Yeah, the same time as Edison
he could have been reading about. Yeah, I feel like
there was a period of time where people were really
into this stuff. And that's to correlate a little bit
with that, and I think ed might have been on
the tail into that and he really latched onto it.
And one of the things that was interesting about that

(46:20):
period too is that actually a lot of the advances
and discoveries were just by tinkerers and people like that
and just loan event was it wasn't this thing where
we had this massive general electrics and laboratories coming up
with stuff. It's just guys working in their in their
barns with amazing stuff. Yeah. Yeah, and this is this
is this is gonna be a little bit hard to

(46:42):
explain something. Going to try and break this into just
real simple basics for how this anti gravity magnetism stuff
that people think ED had figured out on how to
move things, because I think I read was this in
one of the links. This is Yeah, this is I
tried to read. It's very hard and just couldn't the
one with all of the videos. It's very hard to

(47:02):
understand nothing. Yeah, no, it's it's really difficult. So this
is this is the easy way to think about it.
You can change. According to ED, you could change the
internal magnetism of an object. We're gonna we're gonna step back.
We're going to say that the planet, the core of

(47:22):
our planet has a positive charge and everything on the
outside of the planet has a negative charge. So with magnets,
positive and negative opts to tract, so they pull together
and that's what creates our gravity, very simplified. So then
according to this theory, what you could do is if

(47:44):
you could flip the magnetic polarity of an object from
negative to positive, it would repel from the center of
the Earth and it would lift. And the more that
you were that you flip, so it gets more and
more on the positive, the higher and higher it would float,
and it would flip around. There's there's a bit of

(48:06):
a problem with that theory though, um, and that is
that magnetism and gravity are entirely separate forces. Okay, but
this this is end, this is this is en. I
understand the magnetism gravity or two different things. But I'm
making this very simple just to try and explain how
his magnetism theory work. But that's the basics of it.
Is everything has a polarity, and if you can flip

(48:28):
its polarity, it's going to start repelling against everything, and
that would allow it to essentially float and you could
push it around like a hover path. There's two problems
with that theory. And number one is that is that
magnetism effects ferrest minerals not and and limestone is non
ferrest number one. Number two you know, yeah, we all

(48:49):
have have played around with magnet you know, and so
you know what happens, Like, say, if you've got a
magnet and you put the two north ends of the
magnets together, they tend to repel each other, right, and
then they'll flip on you. Well because actually, yeah, yeah,
you let one of them go and it just snaps
around and then smacks into the other magnet real hard, right,
So I think that's what would have happened to good old,
good old edge like that, I guess I can kind

(49:18):
of see the whole magnetism thing if we're thinking of magnetism,
like what holds atoms together? Almost magnetism is well, but
if that's not the correct term for it, right, But
that there's there's a force and if you and it's
a got a opposite polar force, right, may maybe I'm
making that up, but that if you were going to
reverse the like integral polar of a thing, I think

(49:43):
that not only would it not levitate. And this is
my total basic understanding of standing, but like if you
if you're going to reverse the polarity of that thing,
isn't that thing going to cease to exist? Like you're
reversing the polarity of all of the atoms that are
that thing? So what's holding it together? And there's nothing
really holding it together anymore? Is that a thing? Am
I making that up? I would? I wouldn't stress about

(50:04):
that because there's no way you can do that. But
but but but like like particle, right, that's exactly it? Right?
Is that like you get the gun, the anti hero
in all of the like comics gets the gun. It's
like the anti gravity gun, and he can't use it
because really what it is is it disintegrates the person
because it reverses the polarity of every atom. And I

(50:29):
would really like to have one of those two but
in traffic a yeah, but but yeah, magnetic polarity. I mean,
I mean, you know, in atoms, there's particles that have
positive and negative and neutral charges, but that has that's
nothing to do with magnetic polarity, all right, And this
is this is all based on his writings and I guess, well,
but I a little bit want to think about it

(50:51):
in terms of like the nineteen thirties and forties right
when he was writing it, because we've made some pretty
significant advances in our understanding of things like that. Yeah,
but well, let's let's let's get off of the the
let's let's back to debate the theories of magnets. I

(51:12):
do not want to get into any more of that.
But what I do want to point out this is
this is something that people who believe that he was
making this anti gravity beam is they say that Ed
was using a perpetual motion device and that's how he
was able to to change the polarity of things. And

(51:32):
make them float. And they also said that he had
a machine that would run a charge into the property
to help him do this. And he does have a
very crude electro magnetic crank in in the building of
the castle that he built. It could generate electricity. It

(51:54):
had a copper coil, and all that which is the
coil is gone, all the all the guts that are
basically gone anymore. But they there was evidently two lights
on the property, and people say, well, if he was
using that, it would only work as long as ed
was there to turn the crank, which defeats the purpose
of having lights. So maybe he had some way to
keep it going, which would maybe be his perpetual motion device,

(52:16):
or maybe he he was in capturing the energy. I mean,
there's a lot of it there. He could have actually
just kidnapped people and held them prisoner and made them
turn the crank. It wasn't there isn't there a way
to store that perpetual motion a battery kind of yeah,
I mean he would build u an electrical charging like
a like a hand crank radio, you know how they
used to do it. You wouldn't have to have like

(52:36):
content they have Usually the devices like that have a
capacity which is kind of like a battery if you
hold to charge, you know, and it can discharge the
charge much faster than a battery. So he would have
maybe had something. He probably had a capacitor or maybe
battery or something, and so maybe he was cranking it up,
charging up this device and then going using it. Yeah,

(52:57):
we don't know exactly what the thing did, because, like
I said, the you're gone, Yeah they were gone. But yeah, yeah,
so but anyway, I moved them before I went to
the hospital. But yeah, anyway, I mean and apparently somebody,
somebody nipped in there and stole a perpetual emotion machine too. Yeah,
nobody's ever seen I you know, I think that somebody's

(53:17):
having a little fun with us at this point. They're larning.
They're larning on the hoaxes one on the other so
so thickly that you know, they're obviously just they're pulling
a insulting our intelligence here. Perpetual emotional machine. Come on, dudes, Yeah,
I mean, yeah, there actually no, I actually think there
was a stronger there's stronger evidence for the existence of

(53:42):
than there is perpetual perpetual motion machines. Okay, let's let's
keep going, let's move ahead. Yeah, okay, Remember I said
that Ed worked at night, Yeah, because that way nobody
could see him. There's a story out there from a
group of high school students at the time, and they

(54:04):
they said that one time they went out there and
they saw Ed singing to the stones and he was
pushing them around and they were floating like they were
hydrogen filled balloons. Sorry, yeah, I'm sorry. You know, the
first half of that was really the part they got
me singing to the stones. Yeah, yeah, evidently had a
great singing voice. I don't know ro so he was

(54:26):
he was charming the stones. Yeah. Well, people have pointed out,
you know, it was probably a couple of kids who
got busted for being out after curfew and made up
this crazy story so the cops wouldn't get after him
for that. Maybe go look, try to divert attention from themselves.
But then I also heard a really good idea of
why Ed worked at night because it's hot, because he

(54:47):
lived in southern Florida and it's super hot in the day.
And remember back back in those days, they didn't have
that magical stuff called sunscreen or air conditioning. Yeah, so yeah,
he lived in a stone house. He didn't have air
conditioning either way. But uh yeah, having lived in here
in Florida in part of the summer hot, it's hot

(55:10):
as hell. And it's not only hot, it's muggy. I mean,
you know a lot of places you you can kind
of understand what hot, but until it's you know, just
sopping wet air. It should rain but it can't, and
all of that water is to you don't really know
what heat is. Yeah, I know, I've been. I've been,

(55:31):
like I was in Kansas City in July one time,
kind of like that. Yeah, it was super muggy and
just hotter degrees out and you felt like you're gonna
melt the salk. You kind of wanted to. It was,
and every every place that I see cold air conditioning.
So I would walk into a shop whatever, it's like, yeah,
it's so great. But then you walk back out and
it's like he's slapped in the face with a wet,

(55:53):
hot tower. It's it's like a real life sauna. Yeah,
it's it's not pleasant, not pleasant at all. The last
thing that I've got here for is is what I
refer to as the number set. Okay, when you look
at the photos of the property, there's pictures of Ed's

(56:16):
standing next to uh an area where he has engraved
in the rocks, when he was born, when he moved
the property, all this, you know, kind of biographical stuff.
But when you go into the second floor of the
castle to part where he lived in on the side
of one of the stones, there is a set of
numbers etched in and they are seven, one, two nine.

(56:38):
There's a line break six zero five one phone number.
It's not a phone number. People say that, oh, well
Ed must have figured out something. And this is if
we can just understand that this this is totally a
reference to the prime ridiant number. Once we get it,
we'll totally get it. Well, Dan, isn't it just the

(57:01):
meridian line the longitude? Yeah, it's it's latitude and longitude essentially.
So that would be wrong. Yeah, that's not It doesn't
even make that's nonsensical because it would have to be
between one and three d and sixty degrees. That would
make it. Well, I mean it could be degrees. Man,
it's the second So yeah, I guess it could, you know,
But I think there's a simpler answer for what these are. Yeah, well,

(57:24):
that's that's actually, you know, I mean I think that
he probably put serial numbers on all of this blocks
of stone, had a barcode, you could just can it. No, Actually,
the stuff that I've come across does have the simpler answer,
which is that is his immigrant I D number immigrant

(57:46):
and alien ID number. Yes, And I actually I did
dig around for a while trying to find out you
can find out it's a I think it's an eight
digit number. Now, is what I D numbers are for
the the immigrant alien I D number. And we used
to well, actually we did. You know, the thing is
back and that that was at the time when he

(58:06):
came to the States, which is around nineteen eighteen where
we were having the Great European influx, so there was
tons of people pouring through Ellis Island and I was
doing a bunch of looking trying to find out how
many digits were in those I D numbers, and I
couldn't find it. It's just it's one of those historical

(58:26):
things where I think it's probably in a picture, not
in text form, and so I kept pouring through all
these tags and not finding it. But people say, you
know what, that's his immigrant I D number because it
was not an uncommon practice for people to say I'm
gonna etch this into my doorway, so people know that's
me and this is where I live, which really makes
a lot of sense. Yeah, the thing that I saw

(58:48):
was that it was the alien I D number and
the immigrant ID number. So the alien idea was the
first one. So it was his I D number that
he was given when he first like came before he
was in any kind of citizens and then his immigrant
status was the second, and that would make sense, that
would make seven digit. Yeah, okay, that makes a lot

(59:12):
of sense. And obviously I feel like I shouldn't have
to say this, but I'm gonna from another country, not
another world. You don't mean you know people who like
you know how I love my Martian theories. I know.
But this guy, he was little, maybe he was at

(59:33):
he was a little dude. It was a little dude
with a really big head. Now he looked pretty human
and all the pictures he just looks like a small human.
It looks Latvian, and they actually I had no idea
what Latvian. He looks like a normal being. And of
course people back in those days, you know, there's a
lot more abound nutrition floating around in those days, and

(59:54):
so tended to be a bit smaller. What the what's
her name Winchester, the woman who built the Winchester home
in California. Yeah, she was like four nine, if you go.
I went to her house one time, and the Winchester house.
I did know. I was at their house. It's so
frustrated because I was actually that's like San Jose, right,

(01:00:16):
I was actually there one time. This was a while back,
and uh and I just didn't have time. I even
saw science saying Winchester house this way. You know, it's
really fun frustrated. She actually built staircases that really that
was well, no, she built staircases. They're like normal people staircases,
and then like her staircases because she was so little

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that she just wanted to have her own little like
I went up one and I was like hunched over,
like trying to go up these tiny little stairs because
she just, like I wanted all these little stairs. But
I mean, you know, she was kind of a contemporary
at that age. That's a that's a thing people were smaller.
I think that's that's where you were going at expanded.

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I'm sure you noticed this like you know, and travels
to Europe. You know, I've seen very very old buildings
and the doorways and I am normal. Yeah, I say,
I've seen yeah, a lot of really ancient buildings where
the churches and stuff. Yeah, yeah, you got a duck.
It's like five and a half feet is how high
to the door is. Building codes were a little different

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back in those days. They didn't have them. They didn't
have them. For number one, there were two people were
all five feet tall. This is very true. Well anyway, Yeah,
that's that's kind of the that's that's what we know
about Corral Castle, and those are the main the main
theories on how people think Ed made the place. Yeah,
I think, and I think it's fair to say. I
think for our listeners again, uh, do a do a

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google on Wally Wallington, look at some of his techniques,
and you know, I think that there's a very easy
explainable explanation for this. I don't think supernatural things, anti
gravity or magnetic whatever really accounts for any of this. Yeah,
that's what I think. What do you guys think? So
you don't even have to ask the question, because Joe's

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just answering on already. Yeah, I think so. You think
the magnetic lay lines, right, Yeah, she likes those magnetic lines.
I think ancient alien technology should not be counted out. No,
I think I think that probably this whole This is
so frustrating to say, but I kind of agree with Joe.
You know, we all watched that video together and it

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was just kind of like a crap, Like, Nan, you're
taking away all my fun theories with reason and actual science. No,
what are you doing? Actually, this just occurs to me.
I don't know if any of you guys have played
Half Life too. No, yeah, but Half Life Too. There's
just one special thing that you get, and it's not
exactly a weapon. I forget what they call it, but

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you can use it to pick up just anything. You
can pick up a car with it. Maybe it's that
maybe this guy you know, actually like you know, got
this this special tool that we should in Half Life Too.
Why don't we just say that he was praying it
and was having crazy mom strength trying to protect his children. Okay,

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I'm gonna go with that. I personally, I think that
it is probably a combination. I think that it is
a combination of the standard block and tackle and then
some very rudimentary version of the Primerradian. The stuff that

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Wellington was doing, I don't know that he maybe took
it as far, but I think that he was doing
something basic. You got to remember, this is not a
huge place. I'm guessing that there. I mean, the walls
I know must have taken him a long time because
there's a lot of walls. But the things that he built,

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I think, you know, he worked on it for thirty
years and there's a couple dozen structures or objects that
he's arranged and put together aside from the walls. So
this this stuff that Wellington did, he could move it
around really fast, but I don't think that he necessarily
was moving in that fast. And I think that he's
probably working in bits and pieces that much larger than

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he's a Yeah he is. He is a bigger guy
than Ed. Be honest, I would have taken me much
longer to do something like that. And that's why I
think that he's probably doing things in some combination using
leverage but then using a winch or something like that.
I really that's that's the direction that I think that
he must have done. I don't think that he used

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the magnetic a line. They don't have a good explanation
for that box on the top of that whatever the
tripod is. But you want to know what I think that.
I think that he nailed the poles to the box
and that's what kept him from flying apart. It's a
t P and he just drops the box. Okay, he

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three sticks and you lean them up against each other
and they make that kind of little inverted t P
at the top, and then you drop the box over him,
and the box keeps him from sheering sideways. Drop a
couple of nails, and then the things don't pull apart.
I think as simple as that, it could be as
simple as the box was like something that was manufactured

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that actually held that held held the poles there. They
were actually essentially hinged all together. So imagine if if
he's got this thing and he wants to move it
over five ft right, so he could pick up one
of these things, move it over, and then pick up
the other ones and move them over, and you can
do it kind of like that, as long as he's
got this thing where they're all held together in hand
and so they have a certain bit of leverage, but

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not too much. Yeah, yeah, so they can't go too
far one way or the other. But yeah, I mean
that might I think that they were just there to
hold the top together. Yeah, it could have been it too.
Oh okay, I mean yeah, that makes sense. I mean yeah,
I'm just being contradictory at this point. Yeah, just because
we made you so mad because it's late line. No okay, Well,

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do some anti gravity and we're gonna I'm gonna I'm
gonna fire up my antigravity car and just like a
Jets car. Yeah, gasoline powered anti gravity car. Anyway, So long, folks,
by I guess or whatever.