Thinking Sideways: The Hum

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Thinking Sideways. I don't interest. You never know stories of
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This is Thinking Sideways the podcast. I'm Devin and I'm
joined by Joe and Steve. As always, as always, we're gonna,
as Joe would say, solve another mystery. Absolutely we are.
I'm not going to solve it. I don't know, Joe,
I guess probably. Well, so we're gonna tackle the hum,
which is yeah, so into the theories now. So the

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hum is another apparently I'm on the like unexplained sounds
bandwagon right now. I've been doing them a lot lately.
I'm super are. Yeah right now. It was like it
was something else for a while, mysterious middle aged men dying. Yeah, yeah,
going to another phase. Sorry, so sorry everyone, I'm sorry

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this isn't boring. So the hum is an unexplained noise
that involves widespread reports of persistent and invasive low humming,
low frequency humming, rumbling, or like a droning kind of
noise that makes sense like an airplane, right, make kind
of Yeah, it's it's often described as like an idoling truck,

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like a eighteen wheeler truck idling. I don't know, I've
never heard it. I was like, you've never heard an
eighteen wheeler. Where have you been living forever? If you
still heard a wheeler jake breaks, you could hear from
a mile away. Yeah, man. Hums have been widely reported

(01:55):
by lots of national media, particularly in the UK and
the United States. So it's mainly English speaking people, Mainly
speaking people. Yeah, I don't think that's true that here
the hum, but I think it is true that that's
where it's both. Let's be honest. The UK in the
United States are pretty good at reporting stupid stuff. It's

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probably over Africa and they're probably just busy trying to like,
you know, stay alive. You know, they hear it, but
they just got better things to do than talk about
the hum. Yeah. So it's often you'll hear it referred
to with the like the location affixed to the front
of it, so like the Bristol home, the Taos hume,
and it can be really disturbing and apparently in the

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UK it's directly attributed to at least three suicides, which is,
which is weird. It seems like a strange reason to
kill yourself. Well, I think you know stuff going on
as far as as anybody can tell. It's just it's persistent,
like people can't sleep through it. People, you know, it's
just there. It's just hearing this hume like over and

(02:59):
over again. It's almos like that Chinese water torture right
with the drips, except for it's a sound in your head.
I can understand how that would be obnoxious, would get old, yeah,
really old, really fast. Yes. So, as I said, the
home is kind of like a truck engine idling outside
of some outside of someone's house. But often it's it's

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people hear it more inside than outside. Like if they're
hearing it inside and they go outside, it's not as prevalent. Wait.
So if if I'm hearing what I attribute to be
a hum and I'm sitting in my house, you go
outside to explore, right, But it's less it's less loud,
it's more quiet. Okay, And do do they know why

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that is? I mean, well, I'm just I'm just thinking here. Okay. Well,
if I'm inside and I don't have the TV on
or anything like that, there's not as much background noise.
So I just wonder if background noise outside the wind
and the trees and you know, dogs and cats and
whatever it might be, if all of that kind of
makes it harder for people to pinpoint maybe. I mean,

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it's it's generally accepted that it's not a noise that's
just coming from inside of like a bunch of different
individual houses. It's accepted that you know, if it is
something right, that it's something outside. And so if you
hear a noise outside that you here very loudly in
your house and you walk outside out the doors and

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you know, the walls and the insulation and things like that,
even if there's more background noise, it's going to be
louder because you're closer to whatever is making the noise.
Does that make sense? It does, And I guess I
can follow that if it's coming from if it's a
noise with the source outside of the earth, to say,
if you're inside your house, if you say this was
due to high frequency vibration of the earth itself and

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the ground there, then if you're inside your house, it's
kind of like being in an echo chamber. It stands
to reason it would be louder inside if it's from
that source versus outside. The difference between shooting it gun
off inside your house and outside your us it's a
lot louder inside. Sure, Yeah, that's the hum is also

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louder at night than it is that day in day.
And it does appear to be geographically focused a little bit,
as in people kind of you can move away from it.
That makes sense. You can hear it and then getting
your car and dry. It's a small range, yeah, and
that it's it's actually focused someplace that it's actually actually

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has a source of some kind. So if any of
these any of these people, these sufferers, the hearers, have
any of them actually just taking the trouble to just
try to localize it, walk towards the source of the noise, yeah,
and often people can't. One of the things that is
kind of emerging in this there's this kind of big
data collection effort that's happening. That's a worldwide HUM data collection.

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It's like a Google doc. Well huge, huge, anybody who
suffers from it. Anytime you have an instance, you go
in and you plug in just a massive amount of
information about like where you heard it, if you heard it.
More on your left or right, and by and large
people say they hear it on their left more. And
you know, you can only follow your left for so
long before you know, you try and localize it, and

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it's just you know, I don't I don't know. Maddening.
I think it's the word. Yeah, maddening. I think is
definitely the word. Yeah. People can actually get away from it,
but they can't go towards it, I guess. Yeah. In
one of the weird mysteries of the hum, I'm trying
to pack up and move. I guess. Also, only about
two percent of people living in an area that's HUM

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prone they call it a homb prone area can hear it.
Most of them are from ages fifty to seventy, which
is kind of weird. Uh it was. That's that's a
statistic from a study that was done in two thousand
thirteen by an acoustical consultant who lives in Surrey. So
that's weird a little bit, right, Yeah, it's not weird, Okay.

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So I'm just gonna do a little bit of a
list of places then and where the HUM has been reported,
So in London and Southampton in the nineteen forties, Bristol
England in nineteen seventy nine, Large Scotland in the nineteen eighties, Taos,
New Mexico in nine, Cocomo, Indiana in n Vancouver, BC

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pre two thousand three, Calgary, Alberta in two thousand eight, Winter,
Ontario in two thousand nine, Woodland Country Durham in England
in two thousand and eleven, County Kerry in Ireland in
two thousand twelve, Seattle, Washington two thousand twelve, Wellington, New
Zealand in two thousand twelve, the Italian National Research Council

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in Pizza, Italy in two thirteen, in Guadalajara in two
thousand thirteen, and Kalima in two thousand thirteen. So it
seems to be getting more prevalent a little bit too, right.
I don't know if it's more prevalent or just people
know that there's a way to complain about it. Yeah,

(08:09):
they've heard about it now. So now, did it just
like Santaos? I thought that was an ongoing phenomenon? Did
it just it is? I think that was the first began. Yeah,
I said, I already mentioned that there's an age kind
of range, kind of an age range for this. There's
also apparently only one third of the sufferers are male

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to two thirds female, which is a little interesting as well,
I feel, and there's a very defined age curve that
people under the age of forty tend to like not
here at all. Well, I could, I could almost I
could almost see some easy answers to those those numbers.
So the only one third of the here's are men, correct,

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And it's also people under forty five tend not to
hear it. Well, that seems pretty easy to me because
people who were above forty five are from the era
when we didn't use a lot of safety precautions. So
I'm talking large machinery all day long, and that was
typically run by men. Okay, so riddle me this. Then

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of males to females, so well, riddle me this, batman.
Many of the HUM sufferers are either partially or mostly deaf.
Partially are totally deaf, So there's not a good explanation
for that. There's just not Okay, well, there might be, actually,
But I do agree though, that it's not surprising that
people in the older age group would be would be

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more likely to have already sustained some sort of damage
to their ears that could cause something like this to happen,
it would make sense to me. I also mentioned the
left side more than the right side, and apparently some
people who are affected by the hum, not all, but
some can get relief from actually physically closing off their
left ear, putting their hand over their ear, basically sleep.

(10:05):
Maybe I don't know. I don't know. Maybe it seems
to be the physical act of putting the hand over
the ear, but I could be it may just be. Yeah,
it turns out if I put my Beats by Dr
Dre on my head, I don't hear the home because
I don't hear anything. This episode of Thinking Sideways brought
to you by Beats. You are there any known recordings

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of this kind of um. There's a lot of YouTube
videos of hums or humlike phenomena, which is interesting and
I think is actually a fairly solid argument against some
of the theories we're going to talk about. But it's
hard to tell. I mean, you know, it's so easy
to edit a video, especially there are a lot that

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I've watched and been like, well, that's like just out
a garage band, Like I know that effect really well,
you know, But there are there are others that I've
listened to that. I'm like, I've heard a lot of
them where I was, okay, well, I want to hear
this the sky wherever finds it, and you can tell
that they have just gone in and crank the volume,
because if you've ever listened to an audio track when

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it peeks out and it's just hitting the top and
the wind is really loud, and then things just start
keep hitting that upper range and getting caught off by
the audio program, that's what I wonder. How much these
things are doctored to make it quote unquote hearable. Yeah, yeah,
I think that's definitely true. But I think that there
are a couple and I will make my best effort

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to find them so that we can include them before
you know, often they get taken down or whatever. I'll
try my best to find some good ones so that
we can put them on the website, because I think
there are a few out there at least that are
really compelling and interesting. So is this um? Is it
something some mysterious creature humming a tune? Maybe just chuper

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cobra to keep the cobra. Finally we figured it out,
So do you want to talk about she didn't buy
that at all. How enthusiastic we solve the mystery, we
can start drinking beer now, Oh, you're right, I do. Okay.
I want to talk about two specific places because they've

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done they've actually done research on both of them. So
first we're going to talk about Bristol, England, which was
one of the first places, as uh you may recall
on that list that I rapidly read off where the
hum was reported about eight hundred people in this coastal city,
which is Bristol, right reported having heard a steady like
thrumming sound. I guess almost thrumbing. That's a good word, right,

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which authorities kind of blamed on vehicular traffic and local
factories working twenty four hour shifts, which is I guess fair. Now,
these people that hear this, they hear it all the time.
It did not intermittently. They hear it more at night
than during the day. But I guess that seems fairly

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mundane if it is indeed a factory or something, because
there's more outside noise kind of interfering with that right
during the day when you're trying to lay down to
go to sleep, harder to Yeah, that would be acous,
but but it never for these these people, they reported
it never stopped. It just kept going seven. Yeah, that's
that's correct. So they did some studies and the audiologist

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I was talking about earlier conducted these studies in two
thousand three. The hum frequency was at thirty six hurts.
And funny side note, before we start talking about thirty
six hurts, they were instructed on how to construct aluminum
helmets to be placed over their head when the home
was happening. You're kidding. They taught them how to make

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tinfoil hat yep, yep, because they thought they would help
you are making this off. How do they work? Well?
I don't know. There were no reports. Wow that guy fleeced. Yeah,
totally custom made hats. While you wait, we'll me two.
Let's talk about hurts frequencies a little bit. We're just

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gonna we're gonna talk about them when we talk about
taus in a minute too. But hurts are kind of
a weird, a morphous thing right now, not a lot
of us kind of know what they sound like or anything.
So the hum has been recorded at you know, kind
of like from the twenty six to maybe like I
don't know, fifty six hurts or something like that. So

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just to give you a little bit of reference, here's
what twenty hurts would sound like. Well, and one quick
thing I'd like to say to everybody, as we've discovered,
when you're listening to this, depending on the system that
you're using, you might or might not hear this. Some
computer laptops especially don't seem to have the speaker capacity

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to produce the sounds. So if you're listening to that,
you might want to take a second and get some headphones.
But let's go ahead and listen to twenty hurts. And
here's what forty would sound like, and sixty and as

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Steve says, eighties heinous. So we're not even gonna go um,
the Bristol hume is, as we said, the thirties six,
which is pretty dang close to forty hurts. Yeah, yeah,
so that's kind of what that sounded like. Put your
aluminum hats on everything. Uh. In Taos, the you know,

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the hume kind of started being reported in residents complained
of a low level rumbling noise is what they called it.
I think it may just be a little bit of semantics, right,
thrumming and rumbling, probably about one's way more cool and
British sounds like it's from New Mexico. So a team

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of researchers decided, hey, research, let's go research. Their researchers
from Los Alamos National Laboratory, the University of New Mexico
and Sandina National Laboratories, and apparently other regional experts. They
were unable to identify the source of the sound, but

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they were able to identify the range of the sound,
which was forty eight to seventy two. Hurts, that seems
really loud. That's really reported. That's wavelength. That's not that's
that's not free. That's not like amplitude, right, but it
just seems like really painful to listen to. Yeah, I'm
not sure what that well, let's find out what's here.

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It is. Yeah, that's just that's just like it's just
like wavelength, you know, so higher pitch sounds have a
shorter wavelength, lower pitch lets have a longer wavelength. It's
kind of like light. I mean, blue has got a
shorter wavelength than red has. But that doesn't mean it
blue is gonna like, you know, hurt your eyes more.
That all just that all depends on how bright the
blue light that shining in your eyes is so it

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can be damn So you know what I'm saying, Yeah,
same thing would sound. That's fair just for listener reference
of seventy two hurts hurts a lot, according to Steve.
One other one I'd like to mention is the Auckland
hum which is Auckland, New Zealand, and a doctor Tom

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Moyer of the Massi University in Auckland recorded it, which
is awesome. We'll put a link to that on the
website if we can find it. And apparently it's spectral
density peaked at a frequency of fifties six hurts. All right,
So that's that's what we know about the hub. Yeah, okay,

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a lot of great, super awesome information. Yeah, it's it's
it's I know, we just listen to them. It's a
lot of numbers that it's a lot of ranges, and
it's so it's hard to and this is I'm gonna
say this, I said this before, but it's just it's
hard for me to imagine what that's like with background noise.
I mean, listening to it on so and pure I

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would drive me bonkers very quickly. But with so much
background noise it's just hard for me to kind of
think what that would be like. Then again, I live
near a kind of a big road, so I randomly
hear truck to Jake breaking, I think, is the one
example you made. I hear that, and I don't even
really pay attention to it, just because I tune it
out naturally. So yeah, this, to me, this is something

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I would just naturally tune or like the light rail
or like the train or like that. You know, when
you live near things like that, you just tune them out.
But for whatever reason, this seems to impact people differently
than just like a mundane whatever sound going past one,
probably because it goes on all the time, you know,
I would think that you would just get used to
it stuff hearing it. So one of the we're going

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to jump into the theories, and one of the theories
is Tonitus. And I want to say a little caveat
about all of these theories first, but I would say
that it's a lot like Tonitus, and that like if
you have tonightas you hear it all the time, you
don't actually get used to it, and it can become
more or less annoying, of course, depending on your kind

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of moods and things like that. You never get used
to it, you never tune it out. It's always there, Tonitas.
You tune tonitas, you turned it out if you've got
other things going on, But when you're laying asleep at
in bed. I mean, I'm evidently better tuning things. Apparently
you are. I can't do it at all. So the

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caveat that I do want to say is that most
researchers who are actively investigating the home express kind of
utter confidence that the hum is is a real thing.
It's not like a like a psychological disord order, it's
not something that's just like happening in people's heads. And
it's not a hoax, which is you know, those are

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kind of three things that people bring up. They say, well,
it's just something wrong with these people, or they're just
lying or whatever. The most researchers say, no, we do
believe this is actually happening. It's real, and it's something
external not internal. Fair. All right, I want to jump
into some fun theories first before we say things like

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it's tonitus. Is that cool with you guys? All right?
My first favorite theory is that it's a leftover gift
from Nikola Tesla. Yeah, that it's um a result of
a low frequency electromagnetic radiation that is audible only to
some people, right, and that they're apparently verified cases that

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individuals who there is a certain percentage of the population
that is extra sensitive to hearing noises like this, which
would be I think about two which the population that
can hear homes. But radiation is not annoyed, not noise though,
it's that's like radiation, like electromagnetic radiation, yeah, which is

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like apparently radio waves, all that stuff, all that stuff
is on the electromagnetic spect Apparently some people can actually
translate radiation in the noises. Yeah, apparent also get the
local radio station on the filling us. I mean, you know,
it's it's a range that's outside of normal human hearing

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to be sure, But apparently there's a certain percentage of
the population who can actually hear these things people talk about.
But you can't hear like radio waves. I mean what
I could see where maybe your brain somehow receives them
and translates them into what perceived sound your brain or something,
but they're not actually hearing anything, right, the brain thinks

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they're hearing something, right, Well, it's translating into that's what
your brain does. That translates what the earbones are, which
would help to ex lane why deaf people can hear
them right, That it's not actually a sound, that it's
a wave that hits people in a certain way. Now
explain to me again this people who are deaf are

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reporting it, or is it people who are hard of hearing? Okay,
because what I think of is for people who can't hear,
they're much more sensitive to pressure. If you've ever ever
been to an event, I don't know if you guys
have ever done this. I did it once and it

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was a dance for a local organization that was a
deaf organization, and the music was blaringly loud, and they
had the base cranked up. And if you've ever been
near a speaker when the base is thumping and you
can you can feel that pressure wave. And and that's
why I question if it's really a sound if they're

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reporting it, because the way that they know to interpret
these loud noises are these things like this says they
know it's kind of a pressure wave. It's just kind
of a learning response that I tell you, that's what
it is. So now you Okay, I get it. So
that's why I questioned that because it seems more of
a pressure issue than a sound issue. It maybe Joe,

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you had a theory about elf actually is it one
of the ones with a little green point else a
little with the elves? Well, some people I did. This
is not a theory I came up with. Some people
have speculated that it might be extremely low frequency radio
waves that aren't kind of similar to this testa thing,
and the US actually has in the Soviets had I

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think still have these things that these transmitters in the Midwest.
Actually they were like miss Wisconsin and Michigan and they
were actually disbanded in two thousand four, but they were
used for communicating with submarines. And that's extremely low frequency
radio waves compenetrate seawater much better than high frequency ones.
Are just very low frequency ones because these wavelengths are

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so huge. I mean we're talking enormous wavelengths, like you know,
miles long. That means that essentially you can be very
simple messages like a little too before letter code to
a submarine and they received them at a rate of
about maybe two characters a minute. That's how long these
radio waves are and then that's just kind of a
doorbell kind of thing, you know, that's bringing the bell.

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They come up to the shallowers shallower depth where they
can receive radio transmissions and get instructions from home. So
we had and the people have been hypothesized, and there's
been some of the conspiracy theories. There was even an
episode of The X Files it was done about the LF.
Did you ever watch the X Files? There was the
episode where Molder and Scully were out in Nevada and

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they just happened upon that There's this guy who was
like driving wildly across the state, kept driving ever ever,
ever further westward because he had this thing in his
head from from getting ELF waves, and the only way
he could stop his head from exploding was to keep
driving in high speed westward. And sort of I don't
know what what was gonna happened to him. I think
I think I can't remember how how it all worked out.

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I think eventually you couldn't go any further in its
head exploder or something like that. But that's anyway I
said that. But at least for America, you know, we're
not we're not broadcasting in the E. L F anymore
and the Soviets, so they tell us, yeah, really now
they've got better ways to do it now. But yeah,
so to kind of piggyback on that, like America has

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these weird things going on. Theory is HARP not the
loan program? No, that's are not the musical instrument. No,
not the musical instrument. The high frequency active ural research
program that's up in active high frequency active auroral. Yeah,
that's a hard word to say. It's up in Alaska.

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It's super technical. I'm not going to get into it.
There are a lot of acronyms. Basically, it's a really
advanced piece of technology that is supposed to analyze the
assan on honest sphere and investigate, um the potential for

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enhancing things like radio communication and surveillance. Show just looked
really concerned, like I had not accurately portrayed what was
going on. I mean, you know, it is most basic level.
It's super easy to google and like find a bunch
of articles about the reason that people kind of talk
about this maybe having to do with the HUM is
because HARP is actually a really huge conspiracy theorist and

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actually we may do an episode on HARP I haven't
totally decided yet. Well, it's not a conspiracy theorist. It's
a target for conspiracy theorists. Yeah, target for conspiracy theorists
who say that it's capable of modifying weather, disabling satellites,
and exerting mind control over people, and that it's being
used as a weapon against terrorists. Well that's not such
a bad thing. Yeah, they're a lot of the people

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who are these conspiracy theorists against HARP say that things
like earthquakes, drought, storms, and floods, disease diseases like Gulf
War syndrome and chronic fatigue syndrome are attributed to HARP.
They also say things like of the t w A
flight eight hundred, the destruction of the Space Shuttle Columbia

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also attributed to HARP. It's a big old catch net
for crazy. Yeah. This this seems like a my bank
account is empty. It's because of HARP. HARP. It's attributed
for everything. Yeah, although to the credit of you know,
putting it to this the hum right, it does do

(27:40):
radio frequencies and it's a pretty big old thing up there,
So I don't know it's high frequency though, which is
what Joe kind of brought up high it's high frequency. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's kind of with the other end of the spectrum.
But you know, maybe people can actually some tiny minority

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of people can receive radio ways high frequency, although I
don't know that it would necessarily translate to Well, again,
I think it's it's what we were kind of alluding to. Earliers.
You can't actually hear it. Your brain is doing the translation,
but because it doesn't know what it is, it's a
bad translation. So then it comes out into this weird

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range that people are reporting hearing, which seems to be
an issue if there's recordings of it. But yeah, there's that,
there's that whole problem, silly recordings. Yeah, well we don't
know if those recordings are real though, it's all a lie,
another conspiracy theory. Okay, So, as we said earlier, some

(28:42):
people were like, well, it's just timitus, which I think
is the dumbest answer ever. Don't don't don't mask your feelings,
just let it out. I'm trying so just to like
not show them at all. It's I mean, you guys
know what tenitus is, right, It's that like ringing that
you hear in your ears, ringing or a high pitch.
I totally thought was totally normal. That's how I found

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out literally two years ago that not everybody has ringing
in their ears all the time. You do, yeah, all
the Yeah, I totally have. Tonightus, I have the same thing. Yeah, yeah,
I have. I get just an occasional spell. I'll just
be sitting there and all of a sudden, it's almost
seems like a little veil goes over my hearing, like
the volume everything around me goes down, and that's just

(29:25):
a ringing. That's just old age. Okay, Yeah, that's been
happening for percentially young age, happening since well, you've been
an old person since you were born, apparently, so okay, yeah, no,
I mean, so tonight's if you don't know what it is,
I guess go look it up, because no, Tonight's is
actually pretty basic. Yeah. What it is is how how

(29:48):
you're hearing works. Is that in I don't remember, it's cochlea,
which is a kind of a spiral shaped vessel in
your ear looks like a snail, looks like a snail,
and it's full of fluid, and it's full of hairs,
and as the fluid in their moves is moved by
pressure of the sound. The hair has picked that up,

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and your brain interprets that as noise. And so that's
how we hear when you get really loud noises, things
that damage you're hearing they think, this is the last
time I read anything on it is They think that
what happens is the pressure change in there in your
in that organ or in that spiral is so violent
that it actually snaps those hairs or those filaments. And

(30:35):
so what was you know, let's say this tall the
length of my finger has now been chopped in half
or a third of its length, So it's gonna vibrate
much easier and more rapidly. And so it's sending these
signals to your brain and saying, I hear noise, I
hear noise, I hear noise. But it's it's so your
brain is interpreting this, but it's not actually supposed to

(30:58):
be that. And it's worth mentioned that it's not only
you can be born with it. It's not just sound
damaged that typical frequently that it's sound damaged. Most you know,
kind of baby boomers have it. Kind of a little
bit of concerts, Yeah, and you know, a lot of
people of my generation, which I'm not going to say

(31:19):
which generation it is, have it because we listen to
music rell out on our headphones. But yeah, I mean,
you know, it's just you can be born with it,
you can do it to yourself, and you can you
can lose hearing that way, you lose. Most people today
don't have the same hearing range as people a hundred
years ago because of cars, because of the frequency that

(31:43):
cars put out noise all the time, because we're exposed
to it constantly, it's just damaged and so we don't
hear all of the noise that a car makes when
it's on and driving because it's our ears are just
shot that way. Yeah, so I think you know tonight's
I think it's very clearly. The problem. The problems with
this as a theory is it doesn't explain why only

(32:06):
people only hear it in certain geographic locations. You know,
it wouldn't also explain the louder at night. Well, I
think it makes sense to me, like my tonitus, for instance,
is louder at night because there's less happening, there's less
to distract me from it. I'm more aware of it. However,
it doesn't explain why. It only like people age into

(32:28):
it and out of it. Well, and I can't get
away from tonitus. I can't drop. Yeah, and it's not like,
oh man, it's coming from a left ear, like oh,
you know, like it's there. I know it's in my head.
I'm not suffering any kind of delusions that like, wow,
this is a weird noise coming from outside of my head. No,
And I don't think that has ever been the case.

(32:49):
Even when I was a child. I don't think I
was ever like Wow, there's a weird ringing happening all
around me. It was like, Wow, there's a weird ringing
happening in my ear. You know. I think people with
tonight is kind of recognized, Wow, that's a weird happening
in my ear. And I also it doesn't really go
away If I cover my ear, that actually gets louder. Yeah,
makes it worse. Yeah, Well, okay, you never wear ear muffs,

(33:10):
So we're gonna say no to tenitis tis. There's a
there's another theory out there that's not as prevalence, that
it could be what's called tonsor timpanny muscle syndrome. What, Yeah,
I know, is there it seriously in your ear. There's
a there's this little muscle called the timpanty muscle. It's
a it's a muscle that that kind of kind of
an exert pressure on your ear drum make it tighter

(33:33):
or less tight. And uh if when this muscle is activated,
it can actually tighten to the point where it's vibrating
and you get a sort of sensation that's kind of
like a rumbling. And you've experienced I experienced it a
few minutes ago. What I yawned, and you know how
you want you yawn a real deep beyond sort of
you feel that sort of yeah, kind of a pop, yeah,
kind of like this. I hear kind of a sort

(33:56):
of thing in my ears when I if sometimes seven
Chevy in his head. Yeah. Yeah. So that that's another possibility,
is and maybe these people have something going on with
their their thoughts are timpanty muscles, I guess, yeah, And
that you know, I guess My problem with that is
the same kind of with the tonitus. Is that like,
why only in these certain geographic locations, and why so
prevalently in these geographic locations, right, It's not like a

(34:17):
couple of people in this one area are saying, oh
I hear this noise. It's like two to eleven percent
of the population in any given kind of hub of
the hum or hearing it. So I mean, I don't know,
maybe there's something, Maybe there needs to be more research
into this syndrome, Maybe there is something that could be
affecting people in this area. But thinking of research, like saying,

(34:39):
tause um, how many people in Taos reported this as happening,
hundreds lots. It was eight hundred in Bristol. I don't
think I have a number in tause but I think
it was almost eleven percent or something like that of
the population. Fairly substantial. And the fact that you can
record it or that people could measure the like hurts

(34:59):
that it was right. That to me means that it's external.
I don't I don't know how they did that if
they and ID have to like look at the research
and found out and find out if they actually went
out found the noise, recorded it and measured it's its wavelength,
or if they just played like sounds to people who
claim to be hearing basically to them, like you go
to the eye doctor and they just play sound as well.

(35:22):
It's just does this sound like it. How about this?
How about this? And then finally when they get there, Yeah,
and then they setting on that articles that I've read
about people trying to track it down as they've gone
out with a mike and all of the audio equipment
that you you know, you're it's portable, you're carrying it,
and of course as they're listening to it and with
their the headphones and there, oh wait, I think I've

(35:44):
found it. They're looking at the meter and the meter
is registering this stuff. And I think that's how they're
doing it is actual real world walking around with a
mic to try and pick it up and pinpoint where
it's at. Yeah, and then after that, But would be
interesting to say, say Bristol, for example, if they could
actually take a map of the city and plot out

(36:06):
the occurrences of this all over the city and find
out that's sort of there's an epicenter of it, um
a uniform across the city, which doesn't really make sense
to me. They I think they have done that with
the data collection that they're doing. They say, you have
to be pretty specific about where you are, and they
have a map you can see and I don't know,

(36:28):
I haven't ever, like looked very closely at a city,
so I can't remember it or I don't know. I
guess if they do it within a city, but they
do it within countries. Well, the map on one of
the links where they were that one where they were mapping.
I loaded that map. You went all the way down.
I went all the way down. I I zoomed into
Portland's just to see what it was like in the city,

(36:51):
and it's all over the city. And when you're zoomed
how the country or the world, it's just you know,
those silly little those little blips that mark your location
on the Google Maps, just everywhere. And it wasn't until
you got in pretty closed that they started spreading out.
So people are reporting them literally everywhere. So if this

(37:14):
isn't geographically specifically geographic specific, then some form of hearing problem.
I think it's meant to. I mean, I think it
is geographically you know. I I don't know how specific
the data collection that's happening with this HUM website is.
I don't know if they're actually filtering any reports, you know.

(37:34):
I know on their website they do say, oh, if
you're not sure if it's the HUM, don't report it.
But this is the Internet and it's hard to kind
of you know, call that down to what's legitimate and
what's not. Anybody can just go into this document and
then put put us this stuff in, So you got
to figure there's at least a few pranks. Well, and
I also when I was going through it, there are

(37:54):
you can tell the people who really care because they
fill in and it's spreadsheet. They in every cell and
there's a lot of cells, and then there's yes, it's
like fifteen questions or more per report, but a lot
of them it'll be the location, the date, and maybe

(38:15):
one or two other little bits. A lot of people
are just giving the minimal amount of information, which is
unfortunately kind of corrupts the research. And because you've got
a bunch of red herrings. Yeah, so, and it's worth
mentioning since we're talking about this little data collection thing happening.
Some of the questions are asking, are you know, how
close are you to power line or to a power hub?

(38:38):
How close are you to a gas line? How close
are you to like these other theories that people have
kind of thrown out, like maybe it's you know, it's
just a power station. Maybe it's because these communities are
close to that. Maybe it's a gas line. Maybe this
is the noise that gas lines make, you know, things
like that. They're saying, you know, how close are you
to this? Looking for man to kind of see if

(39:00):
there are any really patterns. Yeah, patterns, I guess is
the word that I was looking for. Yeah, to go
back to our theories. There's one other one that maybe internal,
and it's called spontaneous auto acoustic emissions, which I know
sounds all dirty. I'm sorry everyone, but apparently the human

(39:23):
ear generates noises called spontaneous auto acoustic emissions, which affect
like the population, and most people are like unaware of them.
I guess as far as I can tell, it's kind
of like tonitis. But it's not. It's not forever. Oh okay,
I was gonna say, because it's that that sounds exactly

(39:44):
like tonitus when I was doing the reading, but they
didn't catch that. It just goes away. Yeah, I think
it's just like little It happens every once in a while.
It's not a constant sound as far as I can tell.
That's the difference. Next is that it's colliding ocean way here. Yeah,
this this, this is one is kind of a head
scratcher from I don't I don't like this theory very much.

(40:04):
I think it's dumb that apparently waves in the deep
sea can collide in such a way that send out
a noise. And I think this this mostly pertains to
coastal communities that are affective. As far as I can tell, Well,
I think it's I mean, we've all been at the
ocean when it's really windy and you're not on the beach,

(40:28):
you're a couple of miles away, but you can still
hear that noise that's made from the surf. Yeah, And
I think that's that's where this is going. It's it's well,
I think it makes a lot of noise. Waterfalls do
the same thing. I think a little bit. It's it's
more like a mix of that plus like the blue,
like these weird noises that happen when like too deep

(40:49):
ocean waves collide. They make this frequency that can travel.
It's fairly low frequency. I don't know. I know that
to some research, this is under water, is what they're saying. No,
it's in, but it's in deeper oceans. It's not like
hitting the cost If there if there is like some
sort of collision that makes a noise like that and

(41:10):
it's very low frequency. Low frequency sound ways do travel
a lot further through the water, then I guess the
US Array Earth Scope, I don't even know what that is,
has tracked down a series of waves that I guess
they're kind of like compression waves that do produce kind

(41:33):
of humming noises a little bit. But I don't think
that that goes far enough to explain what these people experiencing,
particularly in a place like Taos, New Mexico. Exactly. You know,
when these guys are saying, like these the sounds of
these collisions of waves could travel far far away, that's true,
but in the water, they're not gonna They don't climb

(41:53):
out of the water on the west coast of the
US and walk over to New Mexican, right, So, like
it might explain Bristol, which is a coastal town, right,
but it definitely doesn't explain landlocked house like house also,
I mean, if you know where to houses, but it's
like pretty north New Mexico, it's like center North New Mexico.

(42:14):
That's a that's pretty landlocked in the rockies. Is it
the Rockies suddenly can't think of what that major string
of mountains that runs through Mexico. Yeah, the Rockies go
to Colorado, which do you know which side of the
Rockies houses on. I'm guessing the east side, be my guest. Yeah,
Which means that you would think that if it's coming

(42:36):
from the ocean. Okay, let's just say these ultra low
frequency waves are bouncing up and traveling across the land,
they're gonna hit mountains, which you're gonna slow them down
and stop them before they ever got the other side
for these towns maybe. And then and then you've got
to think too, that the sound would be incredibly painfully

(42:57):
loud in coastal communities. You would see this instance more
definitely in coastal communities, right. I think that, you know,
I mean as far as natural explanations, So I think
that seizemic activity or geothermal activity is I don't know
if anybody has ever investigated that or not. Yeah, I
think it's it's kind of been floated. I don't think
anybody has done any kind of serious research into it, however,

(43:19):
but that it's kind of a nice segue into this
next theory, which is that it might be underground drilling,
kind of covert underground drilling, right, so the government's like
or maybe it's the lizard people, Yeah, the lizard people.
So I guess there's kind of a consistent trend with

(43:40):
the communities that this is heard. Is there more suburban
you know, like more out they're not. They're not rural.
They're not rural because they are communities. They're like villages
and towns, but they are not urban. So you know,
I guess you could kind of say that that would
be a good target for people to be drilling under, right,

(44:01):
because there are people there so like and would cover
up some of the noise or whatever. Right, But it's
not a thriving metropolitan area. I don't know, well, I
think it kind of you're talking about like horizontal oil
drilling or something like cracking, but not really people. But
people are drilling in the ground constantly. It's not just
for natural gas and stuff like, I mean, people are

(44:23):
drilling for wells and things like that, and is full
of cracks. I mean, the mantle of the ear of
our planet is not a solid chunk of rock. It
is full of all kinds of veins and pockets. So
I mean I can see that. Let's say that I'm
drilling a hundred miles from here in an area that's

(44:44):
okay for me to drill for oil or water or
whatever I'm drilling for, and then those cracks don't just go,
you know, they go horizontally and then they make their
way up and that could leak out. I guess there's
a way to say it. I guess. I just think
all I can ever think of when I think of
nderground drilling is Ocean's thirteen when they're drilling under Las Vegas. Yeah, listeners,

(45:08):
help me out doing the show with old people. Apparently no, um, So,
I mean they do that. They did it with the
Max Tunnel to underground drilling and those things. It's just
a plate. It's not an actual drill, right, like a drill,
but it's just a plate. There's there's a bunch of
those things out there, and it looks like this. She's greater, Yeah, exactly,

(45:32):
flat with the Yeah they're pretty awesome. I want to
go they're pretty cool, but they I mean, I think
if there was any kind of proof that things were
drilling under there, that would be a good explanation. But
I think that at this point people would have had
to say, oh, yeah, I know, we're drilling under that place, right,
But people don't always realize that drilling is going on.

(45:56):
Do you realize that in the city of Portland they
were drilling for fifteen or twenty years for the entire
sewer redo that they did here. It was called a
big Pipe project and they were drilling from one end
of the city to the other and it took him
ten or fifteen years. They were drilling every day, nonstops.

(46:17):
So maybe maybe it is under ground drilling. But this
kind of stuff happens in the municipalities all the time
and people don't realize that it's going on. They may
sort of be aware, but they don't really think about it,
so then they're hearing this weird noise. And I guess
that would be another argument actually, like four, that these
are like less urban places, right that like when we're

(46:38):
when drilling is happening underneath us, we've got like a
bustling city happening. We can't hear what's going on down there, right,
But if it's a smaller community and they are drilling
under there, what I like, who's gonna I mean, you
hear it? It's an evil genius building his bunker for
the more. Right, there is one more kind of since

(47:02):
we're talking about the earth theory. We were talking about
it a little bit earlier and none of us has
a really good grasp nor do we have any details.
But apparently there is an actual global hum. Now there is.
They can be heard worldwide. Question was it's the geothermal activity? Right, Well,

(47:25):
it's not geo thermal activity as much as it's um.
There are some scientists who have been mapping the ears,
the inner structure of the Earth and the typically typically
the way that's been done and they just sort of
sit around the wait for an earthquake somewhere and then
using recording stations around them around the planet, you can
know that sends that earthquake is going to send massive waves,

(47:47):
shock waves to the through the planet's core. You can
use that that information when you pick it up somewhere
else to infer information about how what the structure of
the earth inter core is. Sure. Yeah, but the problem
with that is as you to sit around a way
for an earthquake, and so some of these guys started
actually amassing data on the sink that they called the

(48:07):
Earth's hum, which is when we read it to you here. Okay,
that's hum. It's called seismic noise. It's generated by sources
such as storm driven ocean waves, among other things, and
it's detectable everywhere on Earth. Interesting, but we don't we
don't know what the frequency is or anything like that. Unfortunately,
I haven't figured that out yet. Yeah, but that's that's

(48:28):
that's the possibility. I didn't realize that the Earth actually
had a home. I didn't need it. But it's like, yeah,
the Earth does have a hung well, and it makes sense.
I mean, I know that this isn't directly related, but
seismic activity and stuff like that. I mean, the planets
always moving and the cores moving and plates are grinding
and things are always happening. It's always in a little

(48:50):
bit of a state of flux. And is it the
in it on the San Andreas Fault, they record little
mini quakes constantly. Yeah, I mean, nobody feels and nobody.
We just had we just had two earthquakes this past
week in Sherwood. Yeah you feel I didn't feel, you know,
there were like three pointers. But yeah, but yeah, but

(49:13):
these things happened constantly. We don't realize it. But that
could be a culprit is that it's actually just products
of natural seismic activity that we don't recognize as happening.
But it's some people can hear it. Yeah, I guess
that's fair. Yeah, it's and it might be more geographically specific,

(49:34):
because the thickness of the Earth's crust differs in places,
and it's like that in the composition of a different
in places. Yeah, I think that's not a bad theory.
I do want to talk about another kind of not
bad theory, which is that it could just be like
mechanical devices, if you will notice, right, it has definitely
picked up in the last you know, really yeah, since

(49:58):
the Industrial revolution, if you will, desk goes goes to
So you're talking are you talking about drillings some more?
You're talking about other things we're talking about, yeah, more
like factories. So apparently in Kokomo, that's how you say that, right, Kokomo, Indiana,
it's a it's a fairly industry heavy city. Apparently, some

(50:18):
researchers went out and identified where the hum was coming from.
There were two sources that they traced. One was a
Chrysler casting plant that was emitting a thirty six hurts
tone apparently, which would do it, because totally sure. The
second one was an air compressor intake at the Haines

(50:40):
International plant that was emitting a ten hurts tone. And
do you remember we were listened to twenty hurts. That's
hard to hear, right, Yeah, the low down ones are
very hard to hear, so ten hurts would be like
super hard to hear. Furthermore, once uh, these devices were
corrected and stopped emitting these noises because they were malfunctioning. Yeah,

(51:04):
the people who had been complaining about the home didn't
say that they stopped hearing it. Maybe they're just complainers.
Maybe maybe they're just whiners. I do also remember again
the guy who was talking about having walked around his
city with the audio equipment trying to track it down himself.
He was pretty sure he had pinpointed it to some

(51:25):
chimney that was part of a factory and it just
happened to be next to an alley, so it was
creating basically an echo. Cha. Yeah, that was in China
or something, wasn't it. No? I think it was Indiana.
It was one of the Indiana ones, but I could
be wrong. There was one in China where they said, yeah,
it was this construction that was happening. So they again
they corrected it, and people were like, no, it's still happening.

(51:47):
You know, I think this has happened a couple of times.
Could be like this is suddenly occurred to me. What
do you blow over like the end of a coke bottle?
It makes that noise noise I remember one time I
I I experienced. I think of that and at a larger,
larger scale, lower wave length. Because I was in when
I was in college, I stayed around after the end

(52:09):
of the school year because I was worked. I worked
for the dormitory, so stayed around for an extra week
or two to clean up the dorms after everybody else
had left and gone home for the year. And it
sounds like, yeah, I know, so I know what the
So I was up and I was up on the
seventh floor and I had the whole place to myself.
It's really weird to be in a place that's always
full of people and you're and suddenly you're the only one.

(52:30):
I feel like that's one of the creepiest things. Is
it is? It is, It's kind of creepy. And I'm
I'm there and uh, and suddenly I hear this really weird,
unearthly noise. It's sort of like low kind of noise,
and it made it made the hair on the back
of my next stand up. Somehow, I feel like we
need to be around a campfire right now. Yeah, I know.
I finally figured out what it was is that there

(52:53):
were these really long halways. There are two of them,
and at the end they had windows which opened, and
so just hap finally figured out if the wind was
blowing at just a perfect angle across these open windows
and making that same coke bottle sound, but much louder
and much lower frequency. It was a weird sound. Interesting. Yeah,
so yeah, I can see there being natural formations that

(53:15):
I mean, that that would happen. Yeah. Yeah, although again,
why only like fifty to seventy to seventy because they're
the only people who sit around, listen around and listen.
All the younger people are walking around with like iPods
and buds in their ears. Yeah totally. So we have
one more theory might be my favorite. Are you guys

(53:36):
so ready for this one? It's fish. Yeah. This guy
from the Scottish Association Scottish Association for Marine Science says
that nocturnal humming from fish, from male midshipment fish, it's
their mating call, and that they were just doing it

(53:58):
in the night. They were making this mating call night
because they're nocturnal, and that's what everybody was hearing in
this one community in hid Hampshire. Okay, so I tried
to read upon this fish. There are they are They
sort of like a mud puppy or a lungfish, something
that crawls out of the water at night for a
little bit of time before it goes back in. Do
you know, I have no idea. I'm sorry, this is

(54:21):
literally the extent of the research I tried to look.
I looked into these fish a little bit, but I
couldn't really get any good info. But I mean, I
do know that there are fish that come out of
the water for brief periods of time. I've never heard
of fish moaning or humming. But that's a good way
to advertise your position to nearby predators. Yeah, bad idea. Yeah,

(54:42):
it doesn't seem like the smartest thing to do. Yeah,
I guess you know, if you're gonna take you know,
a lot of these series all together, you know, maybe
this one applies to that particular spot in Scotland. But
it's hard. It's hard to see how I could apply
to Toos, New Mexico. Yeah, but it might be that
there's hums around the world and they all have difference.
They all have different origins, they have different sources. Yeah,

(55:02):
I guess you know, that's totally fair. It's a fair
thing to think. But fish is the last theory that
I have. We're out of theories. Do you guys have
any other theories? No, I don't. Do you have favorite theories?
I'm pretty sure it's mechanical. Yeah, I really think that
it is. It is a man made noise, especially since
it's mostly reported in extremely developed countries, whether it's urban, suburban,

(55:28):
rural areas, machineries everywhere, And that seems like the likeliest
candidate to me from Yeah, that's pretty good. I mean
I like the fish one. Yeah, kind of hard it
it doesn't it's not credible. I like it. Um. So anyway,
the earth some that we were talking about, that's that's

(55:49):
entirely possibility that the crust of the earth itself is
is like vibrating, you know, enough to create either a
sound or else maybe put something put a vibration and
into your feet, into your body, basically vibrating your body.
You're standing out the body, your body is resonating with that,
and for some sensitive people, for whatever reason, they translate

(56:11):
that into sound. Yeah. I don't know. I don't have
a favorite theory, to be honest, I deeply believe that
it's external, right. I don't think it's just people like
having like making it up. I don't think it's tonitous
anything like that. I definitely don't think it's fish. I
don't think it's colliding waves, but the Earth's hum machinery,

(56:33):
weird drilling stuff, experiments. You don't want to say experiments
really too much. But I don't understand what you mean
by the conspiracy theory stuff or something like that. God
and buying that I did. I do think somebody should
investigate any possible correlation between geothermal activity in the places

(56:54):
where this happens. Yeah, I think that's fair. That would
be you know, and that would be hard to pinpoint.
I think they need to get some geologists involved in
this quest. Yeah, So I guess that's all we have.
As we've said, we're going to put a bunch of
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(57:18):
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(58:00):
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that was a long episode because I'm so sorry. So
we got some listener mails that we want to try
and catch up. Well, yeah, we've got some emails, and we,

(58:21):
like you said, Devin, there's a lot of emails. We've
gotten a bunch this week and in the past weeks,
and it's hard to read them all out as much
as I'd love to, And we should just make it
clear that this isn't like adult send us any more emails.
Got so much email. It's awesome, but it's it's sometimes
I love it because it's one or two sentences and

(58:43):
then it's a suggestion of the story, which is great
because that's filling the hopper for us. But you know,
I don't want to just read off all of those.
But there's a couple of them that kind of stood out,
so I think that those are the ones that I
kind of wanted to focus on. So we've got one
from a guy named Ben, and he said, first of all,
I love the show. I think you guys are hilarious
and making a really unique and intelligent podcast. So what

(59:05):
could I say other than keep up the good work. Yeah, cool,
Thanks Ben, And that he has a quick question. Um,
he was trying to figure out where we were based
out of and I think we said it before, but
if we haven't directly said it, we're out of Portland
or and he was he had figured out that we
were in the Pacific Northwest, because we knew things like
the sailor sea feet. We were pretty familiar with the

(59:28):
coastal range, and so he'd kind of put two and
two together. But yeah, I know, we're definitely out out
of Portland, and uh, if you are out yeah, yeah,
we are from Portland. Yeah's evidently from Seattle. So he
was happy to to share the Northwest with us. It's
not actually, if you live in Portland and you want
to be you want to be our intern. But and

(59:49):
then Ben gave us obviously, as everybody else has, he
gave us a great suggestion of the story, and that
one is in the hopper for us. Yeah. Emails from Tom,
he says, I recently started listening to podcasts in general
and was very disappointed that there are very few podcasts
about mysterious events, people and places, and I wanted It

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was also a letdown that almost no other podcasts can
even hold a candle to thinking sideways than I have
in the past read an article on more than half
of the things that you guys have discussed on the show,
but you present much more detail and do so in
a fashion that keeps me from becoming bored in any
way with the show. So he wanted to say thank you,

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and he also wanted to geek out with me a
little bit about Earthbound, So we geeked out a little
bit and then he's adjusted some shows, but Earthbound Bros
for life using our side power. It's a video game.
You guys are both looking at me like I'm the
biggest idiots being a video game. It's a video game

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that I love, but so also likes Fallout. So if
anybody wants to make a Fallout reference, you'll love it.
And listen, we already had a Fallout person, did we Yeah?
I didn't catch it. It was on It was on iTunes.
One of our commentary was Arcade Gannon, which is again,

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I'm so sorry. I it turns out I'm nerding myself.
It's like aging yourself, but like you know, you're a nerd. Anyways,
if you want to keep guessing my favorite video games,
you should just send random emails to us about video
games and we'll see how many I can catch. So, Tom,
thank you for the suggestions. They are as you would
say in the hopper. Okay, one more, we got time

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for one more letter. Uh. This letter is from Jennifer.
So Jennifer says Hey, guys, huge all caps fan of
the show, found it too much or so back on
Reddit and listen to your whole library in about a week. Yeah,
I said, at work all day data entry boo and
frequently gets distracted by your awesome show. I have a
semi local story. I'd love to hear your thoughts on

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blank blank blank Washington. Were to college. So yeah, so
take a look is pretty cool and there's even a
Wikipedia try it. I've heard about this particularly spot before.
It is kind of interesting. I've almost I've been meaning
to go up and take a look at it. We
might need to take a field trip for this one. Yeah, okay,
anyway back to her letter, thanks again for the awesome show.

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If you guys have lots of Portlands listeners, you should
have plan a meet up for everyone. Signed jan That's
a great idea. Actually, that's actually not a bad idea. Yeah,
we we might have to take a polling sometimes how
many people are in the area that would be able
to do something like that. They'll just use analytics Google analytics.
There's there's things on the internet that do this. For
holy Craft, they didn't know that's plan on that good idea.

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Jennifer Yeah, thanks Jennifer, thanks everybody for the emails, and yeah,
like I said before, we've got a bunch of them
and I we can't read them all. We don't appreciate it,
we don't love it. Just can't do everything. And we
try to respond to all of them in a fairly
good amount of time. Yeah, sometimes I'm a little behind
on the replies, but I try to keep up bottom. Yeah,

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so I guess with that, that's it. Yeah, there's not
too much you can say about it. It's just it's
just so let's play recording at the Taos. Hum. That's

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incredibly annoying. I can see people can get suicide man.
Good night,