Thinking Sideways: Time Travelers

Thinking Sideways: Time Travelers

April 9, 2015 • 1 hr 5 min

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In this episode we look into three popular stories of time travelers and try to see what is really there.

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Think sideways. I don't interesting, you've never known stories of
things we simply don't know the answer to. Hey, everybody's
thinking Sideways the podcast. I'm Devin, joined as always by

(00:28):
and Steve, and we're going to do a group show
again this week. We do these every once in a while,
not not too frequently. We don't want to bore you
with our format, but they bore them. We tend to
do our group shows on a theme, and this week
our theme is time travel. Don't worry, it won't be

(00:50):
the only episode we ever do on time travel. Calm down,
but we've been getting a lot of time travel requests
and I can hear you hyperventilating. But we all have
stories that we really liked that we thought maybe didn't
make up an entire episode. So we're just gonna each
talk about our stories. Are you guys ready to do this?
Let's do it? Okay. Oh and before we get too
far into this, we always like to say big shout

(01:12):
out to this listener for suggesting this, but literally all
of these have literally been suggested like five or six times,
So if you suggested it, congratulations your a suggestor for
the Team Sideways Time Travel group show. Special Travaganza. That's
what we're calling this one, right, travel Travaganza. No, I know,

(01:36):
it was a longer name than not to try and
time travel, time travel paloza, time travel ploza. That's okay, alright,
let's start the time travel plus. So I think Joe
is going to start first. We're gonna just do chronological right, Yeah, exactly.
People have been popping into the twentieth century at various times,
and so we'll start with the earliest one. This one
starts in nineteen fifty one night in mid June, at

(01:59):
about ten pm in New York City, witnesses, including a
police officer, saw a man standing in the middle of
a busy intersection near Times Square. Some accounts just put
it right in Times Square, but anyway, somewhere close by there.
He Nobody had noticed him walking out into the street,
but they saw him standing there, and he was staring
around him quote gawking at the signs as if he

(02:22):
had never seen an electric sign before, unquote, as one
witness put it, And they seemed to notice that he
was surrounded by fast moving metal boxes and started to
started to move towards the sidewalk, but unfortunately was run
over by a cab and he died at the scene.
This is why I don't like cabs. Yeah, so a
short trip for this guy, this time traveler, a policeman.

(02:43):
The policeman that was there noticed that the man was
dressed oddly, and then he had some very unstylish mutton
chopped sideburns, like we're popular like way back when. Yeah,
but it's New York, so it's hard to tell when
they're popular today. But he was wearing old style clothes.
A suitcoat had a high cut us with lapels. He
had black and white checked pants and high button shoes,

(03:04):
and essentially he was wearing nineteenth century clothing in nineteen
fifties New York. So that seemed a little odd. He
was taken to the morgue. His body was taken to
the morgan It was searched and some things were found
in his pockets. Number one some business cards with the
name Rudolph Fence was F E N t Z, So
that is our time traveler, Rudolph Fence. The cards also

(03:26):
had an address on Fifth Avenue. There was a letter
to him sent to that Fifth Avenue address, dated June
eighteen seventy six from Philadelphia, a copper token, and some
and some accounts of this, I've seen it as a
brass token, but as as it was a beer token,
for it was a five five cent beer token from
a saloon which was unknown, it didn't exist. He also

(03:49):
had seventy dollars in old currency, old American currency, which
is no longer in circulation. And he had a bill
from a livery stable on Lexington Avenue in New York
would was made out quote to the feeding and stable
in one horse and the Washington one carriage, and the
bill was for three dollars. That was a lot cheaper
back then, way cheaper. And of course the Liberty Stable

(04:10):
didn't exist either. Of course, that was interesting about the stuff.
It wasn't like that the letter, for example, wasn't old
and wasn't aged or anything like that, even though it
was a seventy five year old letter. But that was
the one thing I was going to say, is I
know that that's what stood out in most of the
accountings of this that I read, is the letter and
the money. None of it seemed to be stuff that
ted just stood the test of time. It wasn't all

(04:34):
antiqued and stuff, and it were they able to actually
date it to those times or was it just kind
of like, oh, and has this date on it, so
it must be from this time. You know, our currency
does has been changed changed over the years. Sure, and
most of it's taken out of circulation, So it would
be fairly long con for somebody to have just had
these laying around, right, Yeah, I can't see why. What

(04:57):
what game you would be playing to have that on you? Well,
you hit it under your shoe box, under your shoe box,
in your yeah, exactly. No, it is actually um entirely
possible that this guy, this guy actually got assembled this
whole thing, very elaborate thing, and then deliberately committed suicide
but plueing himself in front of a cat. Well, like

(05:18):
we did talk about this in the Voytage manuscripts. Right,
is that it's possible that somebody hoarded all of that paper, Right,
we were having a hard time dating it. Blah blah
blah blah blah. It's possible that somebody hoarded all that paper.
It's possible that somebody hoarded old currency, for instance, thinking oh,
it'll gain value some other time. I mean, that is
a thing. But it seemed like the clothes seems wrong

(05:41):
and I don't know. Sorry, I'll let you continue. I'm
gonna let you finish. But okay, anyway, not back to
our mystery, our mysterious time traveler. Here. Um, there's a
captain Hubert rim I'm gonna call him Rim, right, Yeah,
sob the Missing Person's Department of the end yep D

(06:01):
tried to identify Rudolph fence Um and tried to track
him down and see where he came from. They looked
on the phone book and he was not in the
phone book. Weird. Yeah, we just pull out the old
phone book here. See this is one of those times
where Joe's phone book comes in handy. Makes sense, But yeah,
I mean the eighteen hundreds impersonator. No, that's one thing

(06:25):
not in the phone book. We can't just find him
under that. You would look him up in the phone
book under like eighteen hundreds impersonator. That would be in
the pages. Hope. I'm so sorry. That's okay, don't worry
about it. Uh. They were looking at the white pages,
not the yellow pages. They also ran his fingerprints. They
couldn't find any any record of his fingerprints, and they

(06:47):
they would check the missing person's report to see if
somebody reported him missing and nobody had. He wants to
the address that was on the fifth the fifth Avenue address. Yeah, yeah,
it says you rim want to that address on Fifth
Avenue and it was a store and the current owner
didn't know of any Rudolph Fence. So his next bright
idea was to go through old phone books, which you know,

(07:09):
I don't know if the library stores those are the
police departments it keeps a stash of those or what.
I have no idea what the protocol would be at
that time for for I mean, their their documentation. There's
something that I imagine at the time we're useful, but
I have no idea where you would go to find
those in nineties the library you think it was library, Well,

(07:32):
that's where they you know, archive all of the old
newspapers and things like that. I presume you would keep
records like that as well. That's put him on the
what's what's the tape that they put it on? Yeah?
How old is that? That's fifties right, Well, I'm guessing yeah, yeah,
it had been around, so already we're way off track,

(07:53):
by the way. That's just assume that the NYPD had
a stash of phone books for purposes like this, and
so I started going through old phone books and finally
found a from a phone book dated ninety found a
Rudolph Fence Junior with the New York address. He went
to that address, this is a room, and our our
policeman and found it. It It was an apartment building, and
he found a few residents of the building who remembered Fence.

(08:15):
Because I remember this is only eleven years before. I
don't think people moved as off and back in those
days as they do now. That would make sense. Yeah,
they said when they last they last remembered, it was
being a man of around sixty years or so who
worked who had worked at a bank somewhere close by,
and they said that he moved out after his retirement
in nineteen forty and moved away and nobody knew where,

(08:36):
but that that was a clue. Rim contacted the bank
that Fence had worked at. The banks said that Fence
had died five years before. But there's what it was
still alive and living in Florida, isn't it always Florida
right now? Well, it's down there at the bottom, so
that's where everything sort of like goes downhill, just sort
of rolls downhill and winds up there. That's how that works.
Rim tracked the track the widow down and they had

(08:59):
they studied stuff. He didn't travel to Florida, but they
established a correspondence and she told him that Rudolph Fence Senior,
which would be her late husband's father, had disappeared in
the spring of eighteen seventy six at the age of
twenty nine. Very mysterious. Yea seventy or four years before.

(09:20):
The guy was okay, I was doing the same thing.
Mental math, not my high stand. Let me get a calculator.
Rudolph Fence Senior had a wife who did not like
him smoking his cigars in the house, so he got
in the habit of taking a stroll around the neighborhood
while smoking, and he'd always do it at night for

(09:43):
going to bed. It's his last smoke of the day.
One night, he left for his walk around ten pm
and he was never seen or heard from again. Next up,
our our policeman, Captain Rim checked the NYPD's missing person's
files for eighteen seventy six, and sure enough, there was
Rudolph Weird Yeah, and the missing person's reported it. In
the clothes that he was last seen wearing, we're identical

(10:06):
to the ones that he was found in nineteen. So
this is like a dead Ringer match, same guy, Rudolph
Fence disappears and then reappears and then at the still
at the age of seventy four years later. So he
just went wandered into like a wormhole in time and this. Yeah,
I had a time portal and boom hate those things.

(10:27):
They always That's why I always, you know, just in
case I get transported into the past. You know, I
always carry a block nine millimeter in a thousand rounds
of just in case I'm transported back to medieval times,
I'll be the king of everything. That's true. Yeah, yeah,
this is my boomstick. Yeah but what what movie was

(10:50):
that from where the guy called it his boomstick? It
was the sounds like something Arnold would say. Was it
Evil Dead? Bruce? Bruce Campbell? Yeah it was Bruce Campbell?
Did it an evil Dead? And he had a he
had a gun and he called it his boomstick. That's
the worst thing I ever heard in my entire life.
That's a great movie. It's a good movie. Soy solved mystery.

(11:11):
Not so it's a huge mystery. Yeah, it was. You
got published quite a large number of times. It got
published all over the place, and then of course after
the after the Internet arose, it got published even more so.
Two thousand, the year two thousand of Spanish magazine published
the same story and the published it as a factual report,
and that caught the attention of a folklore researcher named

(11:33):
Chris Aubeck. Wait, so before that, everybody had been printing
it is kind of an anecdotal story. Yeah, it's basically,
like you know, it's circulated like an urban legend. It was.
It was like this story and and a lot of
a lot of like unsolved mysteries websites and things like that,
would you know, published period magazines and books and stuff

(11:54):
like that, fiction stuff like that, tales from the strange. Yeah.
In two thousand I discovered that the tale actually began
life as part of a short story that was written
by a sci fi author named Jack Finney. I don't
know if you guys have heard of Yeah, so that's
something interesting about Jack Finney. I didn't know until I
started researching this is that his book bought the body

(12:15):
Snatchers was adapted in the movie Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Really, yeah,
I didn't know that. I did not know that. I
didn't know it was him. I didn't I didn't know
he was the one who came up with a story
sci fi classic, right. Yeah, I guess that's what you
get from for having a mom like mine. I just
grew up on B movies. Any Way, back to Jack Finney.

(12:37):
So he published the story a short story in Collier's
magazine in ninety one that was in September. The story
was called I'm Scared. Then two years later a guy
named Terrible title. Yeah, well it must have been from
the point of view offense, right um. I haven't read
the story yet. I don't know if I will actually,
but I probably will at some point. Two years later,

(12:59):
a guy named Alph Holland came along. He was part
of a group of people called the Borderland Sciences Research Foundation,
which was dedicated to the UFOs and you know and
all sorts of weird phenomenon stuff like that. Half Yeah,
these guys are still around, and they have a website.
I've got I've got a link here to their their

(13:19):
thing on Rudolph fence. I'll click that right here on
this paper. I just have to put your finger on
that and go click click. That's how that works right now.
And you know, on this one after account of the
whole story of fence, say they explain how these time
travel events happen, how well, it's like, imagine it's the
fourth dimension essentially what they say, so the third dimension.
Imagine the third dimension is a sphere, a rotating sphere

(13:42):
and circle, and it's nestled inside another sphere, the larger sphere,
which is a fourth dimension. Both of these spheres have
holes in the small and large, and when they're all
they're both turning. And when they on two of those
holes in line, well you got your time portal, which
is why it's so in freak went in unheard of. Yeah,
I mean, time portals could be opening up all over

(14:04):
the place. But if just say, you know, a piece
of cloud steps into one, well it's you know, it's
not a huge thing. Maybe you know, maybe a squirrel
jumps into a time pork was transported a hundred years
into the future. Or I certainly loved the idea of
time traveling squirrels. I didn't find their explanation terribly convincing myself. Yeah,
Moorland Sciences published a regular pamphlet promoting their views. It

(14:27):
was called the Journal of Borderland Research, and this story
appeared in it in nineteen seventy two, and it was
footnoted if what't The source of the story was a
book called A Voice from the Gallery, which was published
in nineteen fifty three by Ralph Holland. He took He
took the Finney story and essentially reworked it so it
didn't appear to be an actual short story, made it

(14:50):
sound like it was the real deal, documented defense and
of course didn't give Jack Finney any credit, and claimed
that it was all true and put it in his book.
Chris Obb trace the story back as far as the
nineteen fifty three book and then if you published an
article about the fence story and what he had found.
He was contacted by a pastor named George Murphy who

(15:11):
would recognize the story. I guess, he wrote, I guess
he was a sci fi fan or a regular reader
of Colliers whatever, but he'd recognize the story. And he
told I back about the original Finny story and Collier's
magazine n the mystery was solved. So it started out
as a short story, and then a guy, a guy
plagiarized it two years later, and that's somebody and then

(15:32):
and then it was circulating around and then it got
replagiarized in seventy two. But Borderland's guys who Holland was
affiliated with the next thing. You know, it's this big
old urban legend. So this is why you don't steal. Yeah,
well yeah, plagiarism is not it's not a classic thing
to do. So one further little twist of the story is,
and I'm not sure if this is true. I didn't,

(15:54):
I was not able to. Actually I found it as
me too exactly. But that's it anyway, for fun. In
two thousand seven, researcher who was working for the Berlin
Berlin News Archive found a newspaper story in their archives
in German, of course, but it was from April nineteen
fifty one, reporting the story almost exactly as it's reported today.

(16:14):
Now this this would have been printed months prior to
the finny story appearing in Colliers. Yeah, well, but it's
entirely likely that the story had been put out several times.
I mean, writers do that they submitted to more than
one place, but probably most German language German magazine. I

(16:35):
don't know, well, was the was the article? Was it?
It was the story entirely in German? It wasn't. It
wasn't like they got it somewhere and they translated it
to reprint it themselves. Is that what I'm to understand?
You know, it's entirely possible that he actually actually wrote
the story a couple of years before, and he'd been
shopping it around to a number of periodicals. And that's

(16:56):
that's what I'm I'm getting at. Yeah, And as somebody
ripped him off and finds that somebody, somebody, some of
some German guys, says, hey, let's translate this to German
because we're even less likely to get caught, get busted
for plagiarism. Story got ripped off many times. Yeah. Another
another odd fact, and this is against something I can't

(17:16):
I can't corroborate, but researchers have actually claimed to have
found evidence of the real Rutolf Fense who at a
real Rutolf Fense who disappeared in eighteen seventy six at nine. Yeah. Again,
this is I think this is something somebody probably made up,
but they never know. Yeah, I would want to know
how they found. That sounds like something we should probably
set the interns on. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely. So it's

(17:40):
just a story. It's just a made up story. But
maybe not. We'll find out when the interns come back
with their information. They're gonna dig into it. They'll they'll
find something. Well, next up is my story, So okay,
why not. July nineteen fifty four, Tokyo officials are monitoring
ssengers who are deplaning or maybe also checking passports. It's

(18:03):
hard to tell. The nineteen fifties security was like, okay,
not existent. No, I mean it existed. You know, this
was just post World War Two. It's kind of the
time when security was higher. Most of the time that
I've read the story, I've read that the officials were just,
for whatever reason, watching people deplane, and they spot a
man that they, for reasons unknown, find suspicious. Um he's

(18:27):
a fairly conventional looking Caucasian mail but they decide to
employ the very first line of defense in this situation.
They check a passport. But on they check his passport.
That's what you usually do if somebody's looking a little
suspiciousty excuse me, sir, Can I check your passport? Easy
way to stop somebody. So it's clearly a passport, a
real passport that bears all of the typical security indicators

(18:50):
which I guess you can't forge and aer like international,
which I think that's true. Most of the passports you
see look basically the same. They have a different color cover,
different seal on the front, unt but for the most
part they're organized basically the same. Yeah, and they country
they all have very typical security things that you can't
forge necessarily. I don't know, I'm not you know, like

(19:13):
they'd have the foil and lays and the seals and
all of that stuff that you're not passports are not
forgeable by nature. Well, but this is ninety four. But
even then, there's no point in issuing something that you
can easily forge. Actual Yeah, so visa stamps, but also
you know, the stamps over the picture of the passport,
things like that, impressions in the Yeah, it looked really official.

(19:35):
Just to say it wasn't clearly forgery or anything like that.
It's generally accepted. It looked like it was real. The
only problem was that the country of issuance was tarad.
That's how we're saying it. I'm going with either of those.
And as you're probably aware, I know you guys are,

(19:56):
most of our listeners probably are. That's not a country, yeah,
not one that we know I could see in the town. No,
and not on Earth at least, and definitely not currently
and not in the fifties either. So obviously they decided
to take this guy in for a little more questioning.
He's got a passport from a place that doesn't exist.

(20:17):
But apparently this man spoke fluent Japanese, and upon further
inspection of his passport, they found that it had lots
of those stamps that we were just talking about, the
visa stamps, many of which were actually from Tokyo. So
he'd been through Tokyo with no problem before, apparently on
this passport, which is odd. Right. The officials continue to
question the man, and they asked him just you know,

(20:40):
to show him where they're where he's from. You know.
Maybe I guess the rationale is, maybe he's a speech impediment.
May maybe he's just saying it weird. Also, there's a
lot of countries in the world. May we missed one,
but it wasn't just saying it though it was written
on his passport. But if, but if English is not
their first language, they be questioning what, Oh, he was

(21:03):
in Japanese? You know. I if English is not his
first language and he's saying a word that they don't know,
they're going to presume it's something native to him. I
would guess if Japanese isn't his first language. Correct. Yeah,
so it's possible that he's pronouncing it weird or whatever. Yeah. Sure, although,
as Joe points out, it is written right. So they

(21:24):
show him a map or a globe or something, and
they say, al right, just point tell us where you're from.
Point at it. And he points um at a place,
confidently at the nation of his origin. It's been there forever.
That's where he's from, but becomes very confused and angry
when he actually looks at the map because the country
that he was pointing out was not Tarude, tired, Tarid, Tarude.

(21:51):
I'm gonna say Tarude because that's how I say in
my brain. It's not his beloved homeland, but instead it's
the principality of Dora. And it's really small, you guys,
this is let's let's talk about Andra for a second. Yeah,
for those of you who don't know, it's the sixth
smallest country in Europe and it is a hundred and

(22:14):
eighty one square miles and has a population of about
eighty five thousand people in two thousand thirteen. That was
the last number that I could find. That tiny. Yeah,
that's less people actually that down. Then download this podcast
every month. That's a good statistic for you. Yeah, and Dora,
it's land locked between France and Spain. It was formed

(22:37):
in twelve seventy eight, a D or C, whichever you
go by, and it seems to be going pretty strong.
But according to this mysterious man, Tarud should have been there.
It had existed for a thousand years at least, so
there's that that would be frustrating. Officials decided to explore
his story more so they look through his things. They've

(23:00):
on a lot of different European currencies, because you know
this is pre euro Remember. I know some of you
are too young to remember times like that, but even
I remember the pre eurow everything up well, and this
man was actually be able to produce a quote valid
unquote driver's license from Tarud, credit cards, bank documents, and

(23:23):
business papers a lead, the Japanese investigators shouted. So the
Japanese investigators followed this lead, which I guess you know,
you guys don't think. They yelled in excitement, a lead,
find whatever. I'm telling the story, so I get to
do whatever I want. Anyway, they contacted this bank, which
was a real bank, um and though they verified somehow

(23:45):
that the documents were real, they couldn't verify that his
account or he existed. That's weird, right, yeah, that's unusual,
you know. They said, oh, yeah, it's our letterhead, it's
our seal, it's a blah blah blah. You can't just
download it from the internet. The nineteen you know, so
he had this stuff in his possession. But they said, oh,
it's account number blah blah blah. And they said, oh,

(24:06):
that doesn't exist. And they said, well it's under this name, which,
by the way, there's no name actually associated with this story.
But they said, oh, it's in this name. And they said, well,
that guy doesn't have an account here, so I don't
know what you're dealing with. They also then contacted his
place of work, which was a real business, and again
they could not explain how the man had so much

(24:26):
documentation that he worked for him, but they didn't have
record of him existing or being an employee. This is
really weird. It's really weird. Right, he has all this
documentation that should prove that he exists. He's seems to
be very sincere and cooperative and actually genuinely confused about
why the place that he is from doesn't exist. But

(24:46):
everything else seems to be normal to him. You know,
he's dressed in normal clothes, he speaks fluent Japanese, he
has actual currency from actual places. I don't know. Maybe
I presume he did because he was from there, but
he had a driver's license from there, but they have it. Anyways,

(25:07):
this this interrogation and fact checking and all of that stuff,
it took about eight hours, at which point all parties
were basically just tired. He wasn't being uncooperative. They but
you know, they weren't getting anywhere. But they weren't getting
anywhere because they were just they was all dead ends.
So the police decided to just place the man in
a guarded hotel room at night. They didn't, you know,
they didn't want to lock him up in jail. He

(25:28):
hadn't really actually technically broken any laws hospitality. Technically, he
didn't break any laws. He was being cooperative, he was
being sincere. He was genuinely confused and frustrated and scared.
So they thought, well, we'll just put him in the hotel.
We'll just you know, have a guard posted outside and
we'll be fine. Of course, they picked a room. There

(25:48):
was a small window, allege, no ledge, you know, things
like that, minor security measures that you would but basically,
I think they seemed to feel bad for the guy.
They allowed him to have dinner at the hotel restaurant
and then escorted him back to his hotel room, and
all parties agreed, including this man, that they would just
continue to try and get to the bottom of it
in the morning, because everybody kind of wanted to know

(26:10):
what was going on. When they went to go get
him in the morning, he wasn't there. He was gone.
He just left. He didn't check out. There was a
guard posted outside the only door that could get him
out of the place, and he said the door didn't
open all night, didn't hear anything unusual, There was no
suspicious behavior. There was just a small window leading out

(26:32):
of the room, and there was no ledge or anything,
and it was on a busy street or something like that.
Nger than that, It was my impression. It was the
fifth or six. Were there any great blinding flashes of light?
Not as far? I mean, you know, the guard said,
nothing unusual to report, just went to knock on the door,
and then suddenly there was nobody there. So the Japanese officials,

(26:54):
of course mounted a search. But then about after a day,
I did, well, we're not going to find him, so
they just stopped looking for him, and I guess decide.
I think they probably just decided it was all too
weird and they would just believe it be. It's Tokyo, right, Yeah,
there's a gazillion people in Tokyo. Even I can imagine

(27:20):
trying to find him, even even a white guy. When
there's enough people around, it's going to be hard to track.
So they're actually sorry, go ahead. So this guy was
a time traveler from the future, correct, I don't. I
don't think it's from the future. He was modern to
that time, right, it wasn't. It didn't seem as though

(27:40):
he had been blasted from the future back in you know,
his clothes were very authentic to the time, things like that.
So actually There are a couple theories about this. One
is that he he just came from an alternate reality.
I mean, you know, we know that there are in
infinite possibilities of worlds that exist in in this universe
or in multiple universe is that is the multiverse theory multiverse,

(28:04):
so we get it's possible that this man came from
an alternate dimension, adulterate dimension Earth, even in which the
only difference was a tiny sovereign country or the only
difference that they found out about which this falls into
that same fourth dimension holes lining up, somebody accedentally popping. Yeah, yeah,

(28:26):
you know, it's it's totally possible that he just popped
into our universe, not from a different time, but from
a different universe. That was the only really difference that
again that we could discern. I think that he probably
would have said other things if if he realized he
would have maybe said, oh, well, yeah, and then there's

(28:46):
this war happening, and they would have said what what
or oh, why are you guys all not wearing green
right now? You know, things like little things. But if
there are in the multiverse theory, that is literally a possibility. Literally,
you know, there could be a universe where the only
possibility is that, uh, Steve has hair. That's the only

(29:08):
difference in the universe. I have hair. Well, it's clear,
I have a full head of hair. It's just clear. Right,
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Anyways, there's another theory. But you know,
actually this actually suggests a way to solve the mystery.
If if these these clods have only thought of it back, then,
which is that Andorra. If it's the only difference is

(29:29):
that Andorra in our world was named Tored in the
other world, then there's got to be a copy of
this guy living in Andorra. And there's only eight people,
so it would have been a simple manner to interrogate everybody,
every single Yeah, yeah, you're totally right. Of course, there's
another theory here, less metaphysical. It is possible that this

(29:51):
man was brainwashed, right, he was genuinely confused. It's possible
that he had been brainwashed and led to believe that
he was from the country that didn't exist. Maybe for
a reconmission. It's also possible a recondission into Japan well,
to see if he could get in, all right, I mean,
he gets in on a fake passport or how long
does it take them to actually react or whatever. Yeah,

(30:14):
if you if you are if you're trying to invade
a country, or if you're trying to like sneak in
for whatever reason, will people notice something? And how far
can you push the forgery? For instance, if it was
a forgery, how far can you push that document? How
far can you push that before the officials will actually notice?
So they're testing their Japanese security, Yeah, absolutely they could.

(30:37):
Also it could also have been a dark government ployd
on awry. Yeah, I'd be just thinking it could have
been like some spy con kind of thing. And well,
once you have a story, you stick to it so
you can escape. You stick to your story. But if
you're gonna be, if you're actually gonna be a kind
of a spy trying to slip into the country, you know,

(30:57):
doesn't really make a lot of sense to have a
passport a phony country. Why wouldn't you just do the
same country. The thing that I actually think is valid
in this though, is that the passport was stamped a
number of times. And typically if you're just bringing the
passport up to somebody for your visa stamp, they see
it stamped before. They're just going to assume it's a
good passport. They don't need to check it, stamp it,

(31:18):
and send you on your way, particularly if you're deplaning
with hundreds of people, right, it's easier to just get
lost in that crowd and have them just keep stamping. Unfortunately,
similar to to Joe's story, it's just a story. Uh.
The original source for the story was a book called
The Directory of Possibilities. And I've actually read the portion

(31:40):
of this book that pertains to this, and it's definitely
literally just a story. Sorry, guys, So that the explicitly
states in this work this is all just fiction. No,
but it's clearly it doesn't try and claim oh and
here's a source for it, and here's another source for it.
It's just a Directory of Possibilities where they tell a
bunch of sci fi stories and they say, well these

(32:00):
this might have happened. I don't know, maybe, so sorry,
it's just a short story fiction book. Yeah, got out
back my story. It turned into an urban legend. Yeah.
Actually that book contains within it a lot of kind
of popped out of into history dimensions stories. Rudolf Fense

(32:24):
may even be in there. The next one that we've
got would be my story, which is the next chronologically next,
and this one's going to be true. Is John tetor
or Teeter? I've I've heard that, I've heard it pronounced
a couple of different ways. I'm I'm just gonna go
with Teeter. The story of John Teter is. John Teter

(32:47):
is the name of a self proclaimed time traveler from
the year six. He first appeared on internet forums for
the Time Travel Institute on the second of November two thousand,
but he wasn't calling himself John Teeter. He was instead

(33:07):
calling himself or using his handle, time traveler Underscore zero. Well,
I must have gotten on there pretty quick, because, yeah,
the Time Travel Institute for him. You would think that
that's probably why he had the zero, Probably because somebody
else got time traveler trying time travel. Yeah, that's probably

(33:32):
one of the moderators. Um. Teeter would go on to
make claims or predictions about future events and provide descriptions
of how time travel worked, and then he would quote
unquote leave us. On the March two thousand one, he
went back to the future apparently, so he came spent

(33:55):
about five months and in the century and then left.
Huh yeah, the original posts as the name of the
forum time Travel Institute or the forum would indicate we're
we're about time travel. And it wasn't until he started
using the forums in two thousand and one January, yeah,

(34:20):
January of two thousand one, for the now defunct art
Bell forums that the name John Teeter came about. And
that's that's because they required a name instead of just
a handle, right, and that is absolutely correct. They required
an actual name instead of just some made up whatever
you wanted to use. Now the I just briefly mentioned

(34:43):
there's the aren't Bell forums aren't in existence anymore. But
people liked or were so interested in what Teeter said
that they actually copied them and put them onto other sites,
and eventually that all got co mingled into one location again.
But here's here's what he claimed. He said that he
was a soldier sent from the year six and a

(35:05):
computer virus and or bug. I never was quite clear,
is it okay, because I've seen it called the virus?
Have seen it called the bug? Okay, was going to
wipe out the computers in his world, and his mission
was to head back to in order to get an
IBM fifty one computer, which was necessary have the evidently

(35:29):
the necessary equipment to fight that bug. Yeah, it was
to fix it. I think you're going to talk about
this little bit, but it is an actual thing. It
really was actually happening at that time that very few
people knew about. Yes, that is correct. Yeah, the bug
well yeah, here here's what it is. Is is the
the IBM people say and or we've figured out it

(35:55):
has the ability to read both a p L, which
I believe he stands for a programming language actually and
basic code. No one knew until after Teeters posts had
stopped that what he was saying was accurate, and indeed

(36:15):
engineers from IBM confirmed that yes, this computer from was
able to use both of these codes, both ap L
and basic. I think, I think almost, I think just
about any computer can use those things. I don't. I mean,
the thing about it is it's like I have very
limited programming knowledge. I will admit that right now. Yeah. Yeah,

(36:37):
it's actually. Um, the way it works is in a computer,
the only language it speaks is machine code like hexadscible code.
And then if you want to run a language like
C plus plus, then you've got either get an interpreter
or compiler. So you write your program in C plus
plus or in basic or in a p L, and

(36:58):
then you compile it to compile or translates that into
the machine code that the computer actually knows. That makes
sense some but but I don't. I'm I'm guessing that
not every computer can read every other computers compiled code.
That's why I can't about something from Windows on an
Apple computer. Yeah, I mean, you've got to get a
compiler that's specific to that particular type of machine share.

(37:20):
And I think that's what basically what the IBM was
all about. But but here's the reason that they're after
it is that there is an issue with Unix or
Unix based code, which is everything, which is just to
clarify most everything, every every operating system we use at

(37:41):
this point is Unix? Is it? Now? Okay again, I'm programming,
not my wheelhouse. The thing is is everybody will remember
the whole ker buffle of Y two K and how
it's going to screw up the banking system because of
the way the numbers go. Well, there's the same issue
with Unix. It's called the year eight problem. Simple this again,

(38:05):
I had to simplify this, just to wrap my head
around it. What it means is that there's gonna be
an issue at three hours, fourteen seconds or fourteen minutes
seven seconds universal time code is that what UTC stands for, Okay,
on the nineteenth of January, at which point, because of

(38:29):
the way that Unix encodes the date time in binary format,
it's not going to be able to record it properly anymore,
and it's clocks are gonna jump back to one. Um
it runs out of space? Is it runs out of
space where it starts over to what those old Well,
so it only hasn't a specific number of slots right, correct, right,

(38:52):
So it can't be an infinite Oh, we'll just have
all of this binary code go on forever. So I
from what I understand from the research that I did
about this, is that what happens at that very second
is that you hit the limit. So it's going to restart, yeah,
or whatever the computer things. But really the main problem

(39:13):
is it runs out of out of things. It can't
go to the next second. Yes, exactly, that's my understanding.
But again I'm not that I've used unix. Is actually
my jobs in the past. I don't recall we're hearing
about this in particular, is well, it's because it's been
solved at this point. It's not. It's not it's a
non issue. But at this time in programming history, it

(39:36):
was an issue that IBM actually knew about and that
they were not advertising for reasons that are probably fairly clear.
And actually that you know, as he was saying, IBM
knew about it, and they confirmed it after this story
because a bunch of people were saying, well, IBM, is
this true? Can you validate this? And they said, well,
we're really going to tell anybody, but yes, And apparently

(39:58):
it was one of those things that very a few
people knew about outside of IBM. Apparently that's what I've read,
and and in Teeter's time as well as ours. Um,
you know, like Devil was talking about, everything was Unix space.
So it was going to cause this huge problem because
they hadn't figured out how to fix it in his time,
so they had to reset it with this new computer. Right.

(40:19):
I'm gonna be honest, I still don't understand what the
IBM gonna do. That doesn't make a lot of sense. Well,
it actually, I don't know. When you go out and
read it at Yeah, you can read it and if
if code makes sense to you, you'll get it. It
doesn't to me as many times as I read it
in many versions. It's just that I just don't think

(40:42):
that way. But but back to Teter, he he said
that his reason for being in the year two thousand
was for personal reasons. Over the period of about four months,
he responded to questions from people who were pasting on
the forums. He described future events. But he always and

(41:05):
I gotta admit this is a pretty good thing that
he did for himself. Yeah, is He always kind of
gave the general disclaimer that there are multiple realities and
alternate realities do exist, and so it's possible that we
might not be in the same timeline as where he

(41:27):
came from. Well, didn't he describe the way that you
have to time travel to without paradoxes in that way? Okay, Yeah,
we're definitely gonna get to that. And obviously he's not
at the same time on his US because the first
thing that comes up there. Yeah, but he he talks
about some things. He gives some dire warnings for everybody

(41:48):
to learn first aid and stop eating beef because well
mad cow disease is a huge, terrible problem in his time.
In fairness, it was a little bit of a thing
for us. It was a little bit of a thing
for us. But evidently in his time is knocking people
out left, right and center. Although again, in fairness, I'm
not totally sure how first aid like helps with mad

(42:08):
cow disease. But okay, he was talking about an apocalypse. Yeah, yeah,
that's that's where that's coming from. It. We're going to
get into that just in a moment. I just want
to get a couple of other things that he gave
information on. He provided a bunch of tactical specs regarding
how time travel worked, which were I read through a
little bit of it. It's pretty interesting. He used some

(42:32):
really complex algorithms. He gave some hard to understand images
of his time machine. And his time machine was pretty
awesome because it was well, the first one was in
uh god, what was it? It was a car? Well know,
it eventually into yeah, yeah, he moved it to a suburban,

(42:53):
but it was in some kind of seventies sports car.
I want to say it was like a Camaro or
a core of I love this thing, man. I love
also that you know, you need a car for it,
but you can just move it from car to car. Yeah,
it's just you know, it's like the Dolorean future, except
for that the Dorian was integral to that time machine, right,

(43:14):
it was embedded in the DeLorean, whereas this thing was
a huge box. Right do you have to do you
have to like have a car so you can plug
this thing into the cigarette lighter and like to make
it move with you. That that's like connection. So did
he go to it like a museum and get himself
a classic seventies car? Or why didn't he just didn't

(43:35):
you grab a futuristic car and bring that back? That
would have been much more cool. I think he wanted
to blend in, right, if your time travel, you want
to blend in a little. Yeah, you don't want to
have a twenty seven car. But also maybe cars didn't
really maybe he could find one, right, I don't know.
I mean, that's a hard thing is is he showed
a lot of things that we're plausible, but there isn't

(44:00):
a whole lot there to to really back up. The
other thing that he showed, of course, was his his
awesomely cool futuristic military insignia. I think it's kind of cool.
It is. It's it makes me think of something that's
a cross between stargate and NASA. Yeah. Yeah, it totally
does look like a kind of a space insignia that

(44:23):
somebody would have come up with in the eighties. Yeah,
you know, or you know, ripped off from an Air
Force group or something like that. I mean, it's it's
hard to say, but but like I said, Teeter, he
made a lot of predictions, uh that that don't appear
to have come true, and there's there there were some
great ones. He's got one left, which is that in

(44:44):
this year, World War three is going to break out,
which I'm really hoping doesn't happen. Yeah, I hope it
doesn't happen to Actually, when you look at the world
is kind of going up in flames easday. Well there's
here's I just want to call out a couple that
a handful that he gave note of. First one is

(45:04):
that a civil war would break out in the US
and it would start with civil unrest and take off
in two thousand five and would split the US eventually
into five separate regions with different leaders and objectives, which
obviously hasn't happened. We didn't break up in two thousand

(45:27):
and eight. The two thousand eight Olympics would be canceled.
That obviously didn't happen. They were in Beijing. He made
a comment, I believe the comment was something along the
lines of have you figured out the overheating problem with
your space plane? He called it a space plan, which

(45:51):
people have said was a reference to the space Shuttle. Well,
if you know your history, Columbia space a disaster of
two thousand three was caused because a piece of insulating
foam on the which rocket is it? It was the
main rocket that lifts it off from the Earth, the

(46:12):
booster rocket, I think it is, which one it was.
Chunk of foam came off, hit the tip of the wing,
caused a hole which, when the shuttle re entered the atmosphere,
began to disintegrate because of the friction and the heat
and the pressure, which of course then caused the whole
thing to disintegrate and kill everybody. I'm not willing to

(46:34):
overheating issue. That's that's more like overheating and bursting and
the bursting into flames, And no, it's not. It's an
issue of faulty equipment. It's just not secured, right. Yeah. Well,
and they've they obviously fixed this for all future missions.
But people have pointed to that as well. Looked he
was right. We've got another one where he said China

(46:57):
would put a man into orbit, which was an easy one. Yeah,
it's just a matter of time. He did it in
two thousand and three. Uh. This one that didn't come
through was that cern would discover time travel in the
year two thousand and one. You don't know that, and
as far as we know that, it hasn't happened. You
don't know. Well, though, you're right, I don't about why

(47:19):
would day Oh my god, can you imagine? Well you
think about this if you if you want to keep
the existence of time travel under wraps, and some guy
goes out and blabs, you just get in the timechine,
go back to the day before he blabs and kill
him exactly. Isn't that we'd never know? Wow, he slipped
on a banana? Better? Better still, you know you go

(47:42):
back to you go back to a day before whoever
briefed this guy on the time travel thing and just
a whisper to somebody, Hey, don't tell him he's a
blabber mouth. Yeah, that's a much nicer way to go
about it. Wow, Joe going the moral route. I don't
usually do that. No, you better not doing anymore. The
one thing that he did say, and and he well,

(48:05):
and he did really well as we talked about, was
he talked about the fact that there was the multiple
timeline theory is real, and that is why some of
the things that he saw weren't the same at the time,
is what he knew should have been happening in two
thousands and just if if you haven't seen a sci

(48:28):
fi show that talks about alternate reality or how time
can quote unquote split into different realities, here's a very
simplified version. You've got a coin in your hand and
you flip it and it lands on heads, and your
timeline continues on as you know it, but in an
alternate one, the coin lands on tails, and the timeline

(48:53):
jogs off and it splits off from itself, and from
there you know that it's landed from tails. So now
there's two. That's a very very basic basic sums it
up though, and what it means a sense, a sense
that things are things are happening. One following one direction
or there all the time, millions of times every second
around the world will strains. We've got a lot of

(49:15):
universes out there. Yeah, there's I mean, there's the quantum
physics theory, right, is that like all possibilities are happening
at all time until your brain focuses on one and
decides to see that one. Right, you can watch Oh god,
what's the movie? What the bleep do we know? Do
you guys? Did you guys ever see that? It's like
a pretty metaphysical telling of quantum physics, but also super

(49:36):
accessible if you're interested and anyways, it's you know, like
I said, it's just really easy accessible way too, I
guess kind of start to wrap your head. Yeah, you know,
if if that's something that may interest you. I'm not
saying it's you know, comprehensive in any way, but you know,
so in that universe, in that theory that you know,
the flip of the coin, the coin is literally impinite

(49:59):
until it's Schrodinger right, Yeah, yeah, right, same thing. So
all those millions of different universes all out there in
the same time. This is a solid solid explanation for Yeah.
The thing about this that the implication of the multiverse
thing is though, is that is that so many new

(50:20):
universes are being created every second by all the different
all the different changes that go on. It means just
sooner or later we're gonna run. Essentially, we're gonna run
of ram. This is going to get real Medici is
going to end real quick. But there's a lot of
stuff out there about time is just how your brain
experiences your life. It's not actually linear. Therefore, I won't

(50:44):
run out of everything. Everything that could have ever possibly
happened is happening all at once. Yeah, that's true. There
is that theory, and that's there's a time travel theory
from that is that you can because everything is happening
all at the same time, and then we just just
time is just an illusion that helps us keep track
of things and make sense of things. That means that
all you need to do is jump over to a
multiverse to travel to a different point in time. And

(51:05):
that's what Peter did. Yeah, and that's and that's uh
so essentially all you need to do is in a
teleportation device. And we've already and actually we were already
working on teleportation right here on planet Earth. Well, you
actually announced, so that could happen. Maybe he did. Maybe
maybe he did. The one thing that I and and
I didn't really I didn't grasp a lot of what

(51:26):
you guys just talking about. But the one thing that
I really liked was the way that this applied and
he explained. Also, everybody I'm hoping has heard of the
grandfather paradox. Futura addresses it pretty solidly, so the grand
if you have again, if you haven't heard of it,

(51:47):
The grandfather paradox was first described in n says a
time traveler goes back in time and he kills his
grandfather before his grandfather meets his grandmother. Problem is, of course,
as a result of the time traveler can't have been born,
so then his grandfather can't have been killed. So it's

(52:09):
just it's just paradox. If to have one, you can't
have the other. So that the alter reality thing solves
that well, actually, and it doesn't need to need to
be solved by alternate reality, because you can go back.
You can go back in time murder your grandfather and
not cease to exists because your grandmother had an affair
and he's not actually your grandfather. Yeah, that's what you

(52:29):
can and just be your own grandfather. There is that.
There is that, okay, um, But essentially, yeah, he's from
a different timeline, so that's why everything's not gonna work.
He could also he could also argue that because he's
back here, you know, shooting his mouth off and saying stuff,

(52:50):
he probably shouldn't be saying the timeline and I don't
know that he wasn't wanting to do that. But let's
get into the there's really kind of like the other ones,
really just two theories about this whole thing. Ye. Of course,
A is that he really was a time traveler. And

(53:11):
I did, of course look at the specs and they
make sense to me from a guy who doesn't know
how time travel works. So it's impressively detailed, and there's
there's some stuff in there that seems accurate. He he
did kind of hit the mark on a few things,
but like I said, the multiverse thing really defends him,

(53:34):
so he could have been real. The problem actually that
I read about the whole you know, the science behind
it and all that stuff. With the specs that he described,
that that unit that he would have moved from car
to car, I think they said would have weighed somewhere
like in the neighborhood of pounds, and that he claimed

(53:54):
to have just moved it himself. He never said he
didn't have a forkliff. Perhaps there are really strong he
is a soldier, But so that was That was a
problem that I thought presented fairly frequently, was that people
did look at the specs and kind of trying to
do the math and crunch the numbers on what that
thing would have weighed at that point, and it was

(54:15):
just the right. Yeah. The other thing is that he
wasn't a scientist from his time. He was a soldier
and then a farmer according to him, who then got
into the time travel program as an adult and was
sent back. So he's grasp of it might not have
been accurate. The specs that he posted were supposedly pictures

(54:39):
that he took of the user manual, so that it
doesn't have to be his understanding was wrong. Good point
posted specs that he ostensibly had, and he didn't have
to understand what it meant. Yes, uh, well, let's do
the second theory on which is it's a hoax. Well, yeah,
he turns Teter didn't appear for the first time ever

(55:03):
in the year two thousand. He first appeared in nine
Namee turned up in with with facts is that were
sent to the Art Bell. At least the first one,

(55:25):
I believe was on the twenty nine of July, and
it claimed to be from someone who was a time
traveler from the year twenty four. The year difference two
years difference confused from the process of time traveling. Could
be he forgot what he wasn't completely materialized. I don't
know figured out how this fact machine thing worked. Maybe

(55:48):
he maybe he actually was in the year four. Maybe
that was the first time or the second time that
he went back. I don't know. But the person who
said the facts made many similar claims about a few
teacher But instead of talking about the year twenty eight issue,
the units issue, was making all kinds of claims about

(56:09):
the white two K issues that everybody was worried about
at the time. That's a problem if you're going to
go public in two thousands. Yes, uh, there is a
TV show called Voyager. It's an Italian TV show and
they investigated this. Yeah, in two thousand and eight they
got a hold of a private detective named Mike Lynch

(56:32):
who found that there was no registry traces uh present
or past of a John Teeter or Teeter family. That's okay,
he's from a different universe. But the thing is Teeter
said that he was from Florida, and nobody in that
red that area that he looked for that family name
wasn't registered. But he did find a for profit company

(56:57):
called the John Teeter found Dation which was formed on
the sixteenth September two three. It had no office, it
was it had a p O box in kissimme? Is
that how you say that? Kissing me? I'm gonna go
for kissing me alright, kissing me Florida. There's there's no

(57:21):
evidence anywhere of Teeter to be found, and the only
person who happens to be the CEO of the John
Teeter Foundation by the name of Larry Haber, is the
only person who ever seems to have met Teeter or
have any encounters with life in real life. In I

(57:41):
R L scary, I was about to make the same joke. Yeah,
the private detective kind of. He came to the conclusion
that likely Teeter was a guy by the name of
John Rick Haber, who was the lawyer's brother. He was
a computer scientist. He would have known about some of

(58:03):
the things with the IBM and the Unix issue. And
his name evidently is on a post office box application,
uh for the John Dieter Foundation. Okay, so there's a problem.
So I'm while I love the multiverse idea and that

(58:26):
makes so much of this plausible, that private investigator for
me at least kind of put the cap on this. Well.
I think the reason that it's important for us to
do these stories, and specifically for us as the skeptics
I guess, to do these stories is that I think
that at least one of us, but maybe all three

(58:48):
of us, believe in time travel and believe that the
multiverse theory is that, Yeah, what you just do as
an existence human being, But you know, that's the sort
of thing. It's the same thing with those really bogus
claims of aliens. Is it's really important to take head
on the issues of time travel when somebody is just

(59:10):
clearly just lying about it, when it just debases any
kind of real claims that may or may not come up. Yeah,
I'm very skeptical about time travel. I mean, but you
never know. Things that we thought were impossible a hundred
years ago, they're happening now, So who the hell knows? Yeah,
we have little devices in our phone that let us

(59:30):
talk to people halfway across the world. Years ago didn't
even exist, and you couldn't even have conceived conversations with
my ninety seven year old grandmother fairly frequently where you know,
we talked about the podcast sometimes and it's like, okay,
we're starting, all right, you know the radio, but it's

(59:52):
the internet. Do you know the Internet? No, okay, all right,
let's just so we put it on tape and we
mail it to everybody. Yeah, that's how we you know
it's true, it's who knows? Who knows? Yeah, we'll find
out someday. I'll live to easily. You guys probably will
I'm I'm guessing I probably will. You get hit by

(01:00:15):
a bus cab. And unless nuclear war breaks out this year, yeah,
pretty big trouble will be poking our heads out of
the rubble. And hey, titter was right? Does exist? Oh
my god? So yeah, I mean, I guess if you
if you really want time travel to be a reality,
then you've got to be hoping for nuclear war this year. Yeah,

(01:00:36):
I guess. Or it's a different universe, it doesn't really matter. Multiverse.
It's multiverse, different multiverse. Yeah. Anyways, the other thing about
you would think if time travel existed in the future
and they were sending people back to do things that
that retrieve things or for whatever on special missions, you
would think that they would have briefed them and say, hey,
by the way, don't change, don't change the future, don't

(01:00:58):
don't go to say thing they'll tell you know. I mean, yeah,
you think you get that. That would be the basis. Well,
that's if time is truly linear. If it's a multiverse scenario,
then who cares. It doesn't matter. As long as you
come back to the right one. It doesn't matter. But
you can screw up other timelines, but it doesn't matter

(01:01:18):
your timeline. It's not your paramox exactly. I guess with that,
we're going to wrap it up. It's been an awesome
adventure your time and space. I still don't see why
you needed an I I just go google it. I'm
sure it will become very apparent. Um. This episode, along

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Come on, I knew. Also on our website you can
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Yeah yeah, she's great. Um so if you want to

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I was glad to of a T shirt, I think. Yeah. Yeah,
So anyway, Allison, tex a millionaire. Yeah, so you might

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be listening to us on the website, but probably not.
You're probably listening to us on iTunes. That's where everybody's
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I'm not even gonna say any of them, all of
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If you've got suggestions, stop sending us weird murder suggestions
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gonna say, if you are a time traveler from the future,
I would like to know if if our podcast gets
so huge that we eventually are offered like if we
or something like that, or if we kind the basis
of the whole society or something like that like Bill
and Ted. We really kind of like to know. I mean,
how big do we get? Are we gonna be? Are
we going to get bigger than serial We We want

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with that, I think we're going to scoot on out
of here back to the future just in time be
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