Thinking Sideways: Yogtze-Fall

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else can figure out. I'm Joe joined by Sorry, we
went the opposite way. We gotta mix it up sometimes. Yeah,
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name of our podcast? I don't know. This week we're
solving get another mystery. And this is a fairly well
known well but not as well known as some of
the really well known. I didn't know about it. You
didn't know about Did you know about it? Yeah? I
had no idea how I found out about it or
tell you the shoot, Yeah, I don't remember. But anyway,

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so somehow we got onet of this and it's kind
of mysterious, and so we thought we'd solve it just
so you know, all the next can can like move
on with your lives. So yeah, and so yes that
that doesn't fortunately involve somebody has done somebody dying. A
lot of our mysteries seemed to involve people dying. Have
you noticed that? Yeah? I have, Yeah, which is why
I'm going to non death stories. Yeah, that's right, You're

(01:35):
going to the positive uplifting you know. So that's that,
you know, we go with that. I'm gonna stick with death.
So this is a this is a case that's called
yug cy fall and let me spell that at y
O g apostrophe t z E see exactly. It kind
of reminds you of that. So anyway, this happened back

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in in Germany. Uh, there's a guy named Stole who
had a case of paranoia, a big old case of paranoia. Yeah,
kind of. So prior to his death, he would speak
to his wife about them and he talked about them
meaning people who intended to kill him. That. Yeah, that
then he never said he was exactly they were, but yeah,

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they were apparently people out to get him. And what okay,
and what was his profession again, he worked in the
food industry. He was like a food technician or some
sort of technic at the time and now he was
unemployed at the time. Yeah, probably you know, and actually, seriously,
if there are people out to get you, do you
want to be working in any sort of factory where
they could shove you into the machinery? Yeah, I know, seriously, Yeah,

(02:41):
better to get a job at seven eleven like the
night the graveyard shift a lot safer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
So anyway, and I'm not sure nobody's ever actually interviewed
his wife to find out how exactly hard was to
live with this guy. You know, he's always raving on
about them, but maybe they really were people out to
get him, because actually, in the end he did die,
so kind of mysteriously, yeah, kind of a little bit mysteriously. Yeah.

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October four, around eleven p m. He was at home
with his wife and he mentioned them again and then
suddenly shouts escape mir leiff so of course, which means
now I've got it in German, of course. So and
then he writes down six letters on a piece of
paper and the letters are again y O, G apostrophe

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t Z and also said it's noted that the the
third letter, the G, could also be a six, so
there's a little bit of ambiguity. So he's got a
little bit of sloppy handwriting. Yeah, so they think that
the connection could be the horizontal bar on the G
could have been meant to connect to to make a

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six instead of just floating there. Okay, Yeah, it was
a little weird when I read that. At first. I
was just trying to make sure people make their gs
kind of the same way they make their they just
like do a little down things, because I'm guessing he
wrote to solving capitals, because that's the only way the
G would become six is if it was a capital.
But you know, somebody makes a G a six like this,

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or they make a G like that. I know that
our listeners. It is drawing is you start at the top,
you draw to the left and down in an arc,
and then you come up to the mid, which is
the only way I've ever seen kind of a J shape.
And then you're saying they go to the left, a
little back to the right and then down people those

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kind of cheese or like a six. Yeah, it could be. Yeah,
so anyway, you know it's probably a license plate number.
It does kind of look like that. Yeah, Yeah, it's
so it's it's nobody knows what it means. Apparently, right
after he wrote them, down, he crossed them out, so
he didn't have it, or he did, but he wanted
to make sure that nobody else could have it so

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they wouldn't know. Yeah, yeah, I'm not sure. He might
have been working on some sort of word puzzle to
don't know, so yabously, I don't know. So nobody's ever
been able to decipher the meaning of these particular words.
So anyway, right after that, he left the house and
want to a pub in Villensdorf. Apparently it was his
favorite drinking hole, and he ordered a beer and then

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he fell off his bar stool backwards and and hit
his head. According to witnesses there, he lost consciousness briefly,
and they also said that he wasn't drunk. Well, it
was apparently his first beer the night that Apparently he
didn't get to drink because he left right after that too,
and and he was he was unconscious for a couple
of moments. Yeah, yeah, he lost consciousness apparently, and then

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they let him get in his car and drive away. Yeah. Wait, well,
I'm just trying to I'm just trying to place this
in my head. And I've seen people fall off chairs
or fall off stools before and I'm trying to think, well,
did he did he just pitch backwards and fall flat
to the floor, or did he hit a table or

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a chair on his way down? We don't know that.
I'm guessing the accounts are sketchy. Yeah, I mean he
could have he could have fallen back. It was a
bar full of people drinking. Yeah, I mean, you could
have fallen straight over backwards or sort of to the
sides and smacked his face and against the table or
god knows what. But well, I was just thinking that
falling flat, you're not going to hit your head as
hard as if you hit a table or chair on

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the way down. If you think about, your body takes
the inertia and then your head bounces off the ground
if you fall flat. But if you fall and hit
something on the way down, all that inertia is at
that contact point that's going to hurt. Unless the reason
he felt was that he became unconscious. Oh I hadn't
consciousness prior and fell backwards because his body just went limp. Okay, No,

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that's that's a that's a great idea. Because I was
just presuming that he was stone cold, sober and sitting
up and for some reason lost his balance. But if
he's oh, wow, no that I hadn't these guys, I'm
suddenly interested in his story time. Okay, well follow us
on follow us on Facebook. Just kidding. Uh, all right,

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so let's continue with the story here. So after he
after he recovered his sense as he woke up, he
left the pub apparently didn't drink his beer, uh, and
drove away in his Volkswagen. And he showed up a
few hours later in his childhood neighborhood, which is called
Scott Higer's higer Zelbach. I think, um, do we know
like where that was in relation to this bar that

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he was at, like if it was hours away or
if he just disappeared for hours And it was about
fifteen minutes, so he was gone for he's gone for
a couple of missing for a couple of hours. Ye, Well,
maybe he went to other bars and fell off his bar.
Yeah yeah, and it might have been too. I mean,
so he shows up in this at this woman's house

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in his childhood neighborhood, as I said of the unpronounceable name,
and uh, he went to this house as this woman
that he'd known from his childhood was by this time
was a fairly elderly person. But you don't know. I mean,
she might have been the only one that came forward.
Maybe you spent that whole two hours knocking on doors
in other houses in the neighborhood. Well it's a it's
a weird unaccounted time. Yeah, a couple of hours that

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he disappears, and if he just clocked his head, we
know he could have just been driving around lost. And
I'm sorry I should have asked this question earlier, to
do we know how old he was? You know, I
found a record of exactly how old he was. I
had the impression that he was like in his mid thirties. Okay, yeah,
I was just you know, again, like a seventy year

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old guy passes out versus like a middle aged dude
passes out. It's just a difference in my brain. Sorry, sorry,
I ask all those questions. Yeah, so, anyway, we don't
know what happened, what he was doing. He might have
gone to other pubs and hung out. I mean, maybe
you want to saw a movie, but he goes to

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see this woman. He shows up at one am at
this this old lady's doorstep. He'd known her since he
was a kid, and uh, I wanted to talk to her,
but she wouldn't let him in because of the late hour,
and so she basically convinced him to go home to
his wife. She probably thought he was drunk at one
o'clock and randomly show up. It is a little random,

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and since it's gonna it's gonna make you feel a little,
you know, a little weird, a little a little weird creepy. Yeah,
before he left, he said that he told her that
a horrible incident was going to have was going to
take place sometime soon. I didn't say what I know.
A couple of hours go by, a couple more missing hours.
We don't know where the hell he was. He shows

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up this time, he's about a hundred kilometers from his
last location. Um. Two truck drivers were driving down the Autobon.
They discover a Volkswagen Golf crashed in the ditch next
to the Autobahn, and both of them testified to having
seen a person in a lightly colored jacket walking near
the car, independently of each other, right on their own.
They weren't questioned together. Um this I don't know all

(09:57):
I heard it say that, they testified, Oh, I thought
I read the it was independent accounts. Both of them said, yeah, no,
I saw somebody in a light colored jacket, and the
other person said, oh, yeah, I know I saw somebody,
any person a colored jacket. Okay, A coherent sentence, Yeah,
that cohering. Now, yeah, you might be right. I don't
I don't remember that. But you know, when we're researching

(10:18):
these things, we went up reading a whole lot of stuff,
and sometimes yeah, I thought it was independently of each other,
which is, of course Len's more credence. Yeah, it definitely does. Yeah.
So anyways, I see this person in a in a
lightly colored jacket. They run to the nearest they had,
you know, those emergency phones by the highway, Yeah, in
the ages where I was born. Yeah, obviously not too necessary.

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Now that they run to that, they call law enforcement,
and then they go to the car and there they
find gunther Stole naked in the passenger's seat of his car. Yeah,
he was barely conscious. He said that there have been
four guys and with him in the car, and those
guys had quote beat him loose unquote. I'm not sure
what that means. I believe that probably means they beat

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the holy out of it. Yeah, sounds like that's that's
the only way I can interpret that phrase. Yeah, yeah,
and so another but I read the accounts to that
say that he didn't say that. He just said that
there were four guys and then they had all taken off.
You know, there's two there's two versions of that. So
beat him looses and shook him loose and left him behind, Yeah,

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they just take that could be another interpretation of beat
him looses, you know, they shook him loose and ran
away without him, could be okay, yeah, I mean, I'm
just trying to trying to understand what this phrase could mean.
I guess it could also just be like weird translation, right,
English is kind of a weird and that that was
my I just got to say this. I know this

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is a little late in the episode to say this,
but that was probably the hardest part about reading this
or researching this, is that the majority articles are in German,
and so when you're reading them translated, they don't come
true exceptionally well every time. So it makes it you
question what you're reading, not for the validity of it,

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but for the correct word usage in it. Well, it's
just hard. I mean, you know, English is kind of
complicated language some of us know. So you know, people
who are not native speakers or translation software often use
words in a kind of weird way that we wouldn't recognize.
For yeah, yeah, really, every yeah, every language has a

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lot of euphemisms, and we use them all the time
without even realizing that literally what we're saying doesn't make sense.
Literally literally all the time. I mean, like, beat the bush,
you know, I'm going to beat the bush looking for
my cat. You know, it's like, what the hell does
that mean? What is the bush to your cat? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

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so beat them loose could mean There's a number of
ways that could go just from this the way it's written,
let alone what it could have aten. Yeah. Yeah, And
of course you know again this is like you know,
been all over the internet, has been told, we told
cut and pasted and distorted, and so who knows. But
there were four guys. The drivers asked into if those
men were her what his friends, and he said no,

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And the ambulance showed up carted him away, but he
died in the ambulance on the way to the hospital. Yeah,
so he was pretty severely injured. Oh yeah, he was.
And it turns out, guess how he got injured. He
got they got run over by a car. He was
run over by car. He wasn't in a car accident.
He was run over by a car. Yeah, he was

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run over by a car. So the police, uh, they
investigated in the forensic examination of his body showed that
he had been run over by a car or a
truck or something. But he'd been actually run over or
hit by a car, and he was injured. They concluded
he had been injured before the crash. They hypothesized, because
I don't know exactly how they could have known this
for a certainty, but the hypothesized that he must have

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been run down elsewhere and then put back in his
car in the past in your seat, and then somebody
drove him to that location. I guess you could you
could know by the what his injuries were. I mean,
you know, there are injuries you get by being in
the passenger seat of a car when it is in
a crash. Things you're gonna happen, yeah, versus like getting

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hit by a car. There are other injuries, and then
you know the you know other things like if you
can you can tell if somebody's got a broken bone,
and they've been moved since that. You know, if that
bone broke that way and that's fine, or that broke
that way, and then they've moved that verson a bunch
of times in the way that blood settle things like that.
There's lots of things, So you know, I believe them

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that they you know, that he got hit and was
then put in and then put in the car. He
got hit over and then put in the car. That's weird.
And then the car was crashed in a ditch, right, yeah,
the car was crashed in the ditch. So yeah, that's
that's kind of mysterious. And then there was a part
that I mentioned he was naked when they found him.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this this is the odd bit. Yeah, okay,

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so he was naked. They concluded that he was naked
when he got run over by the car, so he
wasn't strip naked afterwards for like evidence reasons. Yeah, he
was naked before. He was enjoying the night. Yeah, he
was going on a little froll like and it was
it was October, yeah, October right now, okay, yeah, so well,

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you know it's it's kind of weird, but maybe he
liked driving around naked. Who knows there are folks to
do that. Yes, that's probably true. Yeah. So as far
as the police investigation went, they they didn't really turn
up much else. So they managed to find some drivers
who have been going down that particular stretch of the

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Audubon around that time of night, and a few of
them apparently reported seeing a hitchhiker pretty close to that
spot where he was found or after. They don't know, Yeah,
it's like, you know, it could have been after, it
could have been before. Yeah, but they saw hitchhiker hanging
out down there. But the hitchhiker and the guy in
the light jacket were never identified, and so it's one

(16:08):
of them cold cases, which you know, the world is
called upon team sideways to solve Team sideways. Yeah, so
you guys have any theories. Oh man, there's so many
weird things in this. We'll go go ahead and run.
I have a couple of possible thoughts on this, but
let's let's hear what you I mean. It kind of
feels like he was suffering a psychotic break of some kind, right,

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you know, could it was kind of an extended psychotic break,
but perhaps he lost consciousness and suffered a concussion when
he you know, fell over backwards. He was already in
a paranoid kind of state. He drove around. He's got
these lost hours. But you know, it's totally possible that
I don't know. I guess in my world in like

(16:52):
TV land, right, the way that this went down is
he was suffering this psychotic break. He went to see
his old friend. He said, something horrible is going to happen.
He started to drive home, pulled over and was like, no,
I can't drive home. For whatever reason, Strip Naked was
walking down the highway, maybe got hit by a drunk
driver or you know, a group of kids or whatever.

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So they were like, oh crap, we gotta get him someplace.
They load him into his car, start driving him, but
they're drunk, so they run off the road again and
then bail because why would you stick around for that,
you know, But there are just so many different you know.
On the other hand, like maybe the men in black
came to assassinate him or whatever Germany's equivalent of that is.

(17:38):
You know, he did a little prominence that something awful
was going to happen, but I don't know if it
was to him or else. Wise, that's also kind of
a self fulfilling prophecy. Oh absolutely it is. Yeah. Yeah,
you say something something bad gonna happen, you start making
bad decisions. Yeah, like walking naked down the Audubon. Yeah, yeah,
that's an interesting choice to make. Yeah, he uh. And

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by the way, if you're gonna if you get a
murder a guy and fake a fake sort of a
car accident and stripping him naked and put him in
the past in your seat, doesn't strike me as a
very effective way to do it. So no, but if
you like had your DNA all over his clothes, I mean,
but the thing that, I don't know how they determined
that he was naked when he got hit. They probably
skid marks on his skin. I don't know, marks car

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tires make pretty definitive marks on on the human body.
I mean, that's a lot of weight to rule. Although
I guess it just seems like that's the sort of
thing that can happen through clothes just as easily as
it can on skin. Oh yeah, you know, so I
don't know how they could determine that it was, you know,
naked versus not. But fine, But like, why do you
how do you convince a man to strict do you say, Oh,

(18:46):
if you're a hot chick, it's pretty easy. So here's
here's my question. I know we're in any of the reading.
Did I come across anything that said if they checked
his blood alcohol? Did you? Did either of you see
about that? Okay? So the way I'm looking at this,

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he fell off his bar stool and he clocked his
noggin somehow, so he's in an altered state, and he
disappears for a couple of hours, and then he shows
up to this lady's house, and he disappears for a
couple of hours later till they find him. I have
known people who have banged their head and then decided

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in an altered state that they need to go get
a drink, and then of course they do some weird
stuff because they're not in irrational frame of mind. So
I could just see this guy kind of loopy go
into a different place than getting another beer and getting
pretty toasted and then going to see this lady. She

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doesn't say if he seemed to intoxicated or not from
the account, no mention of this. Okay, So let's just
say that he was a little buzzed. He sees her. Okay,
I gotta get out of here. Where should I go? Oh, well,
I'll go to this place down the street. And he
gets another couple of beers. He meets a couple of guys.
They're all having a good time. Closing time comes around,

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they've got to go, and he's like, I've got a car,
don't worry about it. And they're goofing around, and let's
say that. He's like, oh, you don't be hilarious. Is
if I did this? And I'm just gonna shut my
clothes off, And then, you know, gets hit by a car.
And then we fall back into line with what Devil
was saying, is that he gets hit by the car.
They're like, oh, uh, crap, we gotta get this guy

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at the hospital. Put him in the car. Guy who's
driving a little loaded rex the car and they all go, um,
not being here, not it, I'm out of here, you
tell uh. And the guy who's in the light jacket
one around. He's the last one left, the guilty party
who has to explain what's happening, and then he chickens
out and beats feet. I guess you know the other

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thing I could see happening, which I think I read
a theory of in the reading somewhere is that stroll
Stole crashes his car and in this alterative mind is like, wow,
I gotta take all my clothes off for whatever reason,
wanders out to Audubon, gets hit by, checking himself for

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injuries or something you know, says okay, and it's like
going out there for help, right, you know, tries to
flag a car down. He's drunk or concussed or whatever,
you know, gets hit by car. It's cold. He says, hey,
take me back to my car, and they're like, okay,
we'll give you back your car and we'll go call somebody.
That the light color jacket guy takes him back to

(21:39):
his car. The only problem I have with that is
they don't mention if they found his clothes or not
would have been around there. Again, they not to sue
the original police filey times I said that, Yeah, the
theory is that the hitchhiker and the mystery guy in
the light color jacket are the same person. That's actually
my theory. So maybe he was after hitchhacking and he

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sees good there comes speeding down the auto bon and
then wreck his car, dumping into the ditch and he
goes over there to help out, and before he actually
gets to the car, stole access the car, either naked
or clothes and any strips, runs to the auto bon
to get help to fly get to fly down a
car and gets run over. The hitchhacker at this point

(22:21):
goes over to Stall and says, Oh my god, what
can I do to help you? And Stall, who's laying
on the freezing cold ground because it's late October and
he's naked, says, could you please like put me in
my car so I'm not freezing, so I'm not sticking
to the ground. I mean, I guess the other thing,
right is that Like so at this point, I know
in Chicago or in Illinois they still have the like

(22:43):
emergency phones, and I think in seven Oregon they still
do a lot more world places they do, they're everyone
like five miles or something like that. Right, So, like
if he were right in the middle, this dude in
the lightholor jacket could have been, you know, going back
to the one that was more south and the truck
drivers went to the north one, and he just was like,

(23:05):
all right, well there's there's truck drivers over there. There'll
they'll take care of it. I might be implicated for
whatever reason. I might have a criminal history. Maybe didn't
want to have a conversation with the police, ye to leave,
you know, So I guess I can see that he
stole his clothes at the same time. Maybe he was

(23:26):
you know, like colored jacket was. I guess it's also possible.
The other thing I was thinking is that it is
the eighties and this woman was an older woman that
he went to visit, right, Maybe she was ashamed to
mention that he was coming on to her. Maybe he was.
Maybe he was naked when he showed him at her house.

(23:48):
I mean, maybe you would think that. But okay, So
if she's an older lady, right, and it's the eighties,
so she would have been, you know, growing up in
like another and if she had known him growing up,
she wouldn't necessarily want to harm his reputation. She could
have said that him. You know, I didn't let him

(24:12):
in the house. Why didn't you let him in the house,
like you knew him growing up and he was clearly
in distress. Why didn't you let him in the house
because he was naked? Oh? Okay, that makes more sense.
But do you say that. Do you say, oh, it
was late, so I didn't let him in the house.
Just go home to his wife. Okay, let's let's stop
for a second. We've all known someone that we were

(24:32):
interested in dating or having some kind of relationship with,
and you go to their door and you're going to
knock on their door and it's utterly nerve racking when
they're not expecting you. Now take your clothes off, and
her drunk and you have a concussion. And this woman

(24:54):
was like your eighteen year old babysitter when you were
like eight cush right, and she was your crush from
forever your brain. This is how you show it. You
do the naked Man. That works every time. Yeah, it
works every time. Wait what works? It works three out
of four times. What does the naked man at a
TV show reference? It's fine, let's talk about it later.

(25:15):
Seeing I'll teach you about the Naked Man. You hear
about the Naked Man, Yeah, that reminds me about I
had this idea for a superhero. It's called Naked Man. Now,
he shows up in the crime scene and he goes
to close with the criminal, you know, like like Batman would,
and the criminal just like drop. Somebody says no, no, dude,
it's okay. I'll go peacefully. Then naked man, no, no, no, no,

(25:42):
stay back, I give up. It's okay, I did and
I did it okay, yeah boy were yeah okay. So anyway, yeah,
that's so that that sums up my theories. Anyway, So
the hitchhiker puts him in the car, and then the
truck tucker show up, and the checker who doesn't want
to talk to the police figure as well, my job's done,

(26:03):
I'm gonna beat feet out of here. So it could
all behem beat feet. Yeah. Once again, we've dropped so
many in this episode. When this gets translated to German,
it is going to be so unintelligible right now, I
know we're going to frustrate a lot of German speakers.
I have a friend who's a linguistics major, and she

(26:23):
very free. She works in the business world, and she
just texted me almost daily about like really like we're
using the term ramp up to talk about this, you know,
like all the euphemisms that happen in the business world,
but also just like in English in general. You know,
she's fluent in five different languages and you know, English
is the one that does it the most. We use
these weird terms for stuff. That's just like, I don't know,

(26:47):
if you aren't native, that's fine, but it's not even
if you're not native, right, it's like if you're born
in the wrong area. Like, you know, Southerners use words
that we're just like, I don't know what you're talking about,
East Coasters, Midwestern you know, we use words like a
lot of English speakers in this world have no idea English,
like British English speakers to go on a tangent. Yeah,

(27:08):
that's that's very tangential, but it's true. That's okay. So
we'll just edit you out later. Actually, perfect, you edit
me out all the time. I guess it's time to
tell you this. Yeah, we've edited you completely out of
every episode. Really, yeah, pretty much, I'm not part of
this show. We'll just have you on the show because
you always bring beer. Man. Yeah, I knew you guys

(27:32):
are using me. Oh yeah, sorry about that, but keep
bringing the beer. Uh. So, anyway, you guys have any
more theories, black holes, I don't the missing time. The
one thing that sticks in my craw again, the sticks
in my crowd about The whole thing is just these

(27:53):
weird lapses where he's unaccounted for for several hours at
a time. Tunny, it's a half hour where you don't
know where somebody is, is you're kind of plotting their day,
that's still big deal. But when it becomes hours and
he's in a relatively small area really really makes me
wonder what he was doing. Yeah, well, we could have

(28:17):
been doing anything. He could have He could have gotten
to a movie. It could have gone to a porno shop.
I mean, you could have set in his car video,
gone for a drive. I go. But I will say
that you know, as a ufologististufologists No, I mean you
know that we are a little bit that is that
is not in the lexicon. It is now you're welcome. No,

(28:41):
I mean one of the one of the things that
people talk about with alien abductions is lost time. Four time, um,
and but that that's nine times out of ten that's
somebody reporting like I don't know. I was looking at
the clock and then suddenly it was four hours later
and I don't know where that time went. It's not
happen all the time. Hey, a drunk person like I

(29:03):
was unaccounted for for a couple of hours and then
he died. You know, it's it's much harder to kind
of figure out what's going on with this sort of thing.
And I guess, you know, the only thing that would
keep me from saying that it was something really malicious
is that he was apparently cognizant enough to say, there
were four other people with me and no, we're not
my friends. But if if it was something malicious, right,

(29:24):
you kind of feel like he would have said he
was definitely in the state of mind to have said, uh, no,
they were trying to kill me, you know, I was,
you know, something like that. Yeah, I don't know, No,
I um, you know, I really don't know. I mean,
because I mean, on the one hand, it's so as
they strip him naked, push him out in front of
the car, scrape him up off the pave, and put

(29:45):
him back in the car, ticket somewhere else, and then
deliberately crashed the card. And the only thing would be
is that then they would have if they were trying
to make it look like he crashed his car and
that's how he died. Yeah, they would have drug him
into the driver's seat exactly, unless the truck showed up

(30:06):
and they couldn't finish. The white jacket guy or light
jacket guy was meant to drag him over. Yeah, I
you know, it could be that, you know, like your
your theory that he went to a bar and met
some guys you know, and he was giving him a
ride home and then crashed, you know, and then you know,
and maybe they're maybe they're a little angry with him,
so they strip him naked and shove him out in

(30:26):
front of a car, you know, and then grab him
put him back in the car. Well that we are
so far down the rest. Yeah, this is one of
those ones where there's it's just like a wide open
rob you can. We can sit here and theorize you
could just and just keep going forever. Yeah, but I
think I really do feel like it's more likely that

(30:47):
he for whatever reason, he was naked and definitely was drunk.
You know, people are more likely to do things like
getting naked when they're drunk. I don't know why. Yeah, yeah, uh,
you know, maybe he really did wreck the car, really
was out trying to flag down a car, forgot that
he was naked, and and somebody just didn't see him
and ran them over. And then somebody came along and
helped put him in his car so he wouldn't freeze,

(31:09):
and then left, you know, something like that. It's not
necessarily a supernatural or I guess my you know, to
go on that right, I'm going to say he drove
his car into a ditch for whatever reason. Strip naked
was you know, flagging down. A car got hit. This
hitchhiker saw it happen, goes running to help him. Jack's

(31:32):
clothes because you know, for he's unconscious, because you know,
for whatever, for whatever reason. I mean, like people still
close all the time. If there's are you gonna still
bloody torn up? Are you talking about Jack the clothes
that were already taken off of his body. Yeah, yeah,
because he was before he goes and he's like, well
there's you know, he tries to help him. He's going

(31:53):
to a different one. He sees the truck driver's pull
up and he's like, you know what, they'll take care
of it. They're great people. I'm gonna go you know,
he's the lamb or whatever. Yeah, that's possible, and it it
is possibly jacked his clothes, although again the information is
sketchy and his clothes might have been in the back
seat of the car and it just wasn't reporting. I
don't know. I don't know. So if anybody out there knows,

(32:15):
if you're the guy in the light colored jacket, please
contact us. Ostensibly totally still alive, Yeah, totally, it's not
that long ago. If you're the person in the if
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(32:38):
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(33:00):
on the website of course, so that's one of the
benefits too. You'll have some cool probably in English, no,
we'll do you one in German, just to see what
people are running. Yeah, you know, for our German listeners.
Do we have any email? We do, Actually we've got
a lot of email. Do you have any email we
want to read? This? Well, that's the whole thing. You

(33:22):
can't read them all. We totally have an email that
I wanted to read this week. I actually got a
big kick out of it. This is from Crary. I
believe it is how you pronounce the name and it
says I just listened to your awesome polybius And there
was a description of how most emulated ROMs are for
home consoles, which I think is a common belief. But

(33:45):
there's a huge arcade emulating community. Which are we talking about,
like underground arcade communities? Because that must be the truth.
I didn't know this, oh my goodness, which is pretty rad. Uh.
So gave us a couple of things here which let's
we'll post them. Probably the easiest one. It's because something

(34:07):
like that. Yeah, But they their main M a m
E is a program that emulates thousands of arcade games
and the runs are currently out there. But there's also
the issue and I'm paraphrasing here, but there's a legal
issue of taking somebody else's game and reusing it. But

(34:28):
it was just it was offering this to us because
of course I think that we went off a little
bit about I know I did go off on ROMs
for a really long time. Yeah, I wouldn't mind that
lading asteroids. Yeah yeah, And so evidently that's where all
the Arcade games we want is that. Perry also said well,
thanks for not some podcasts, which is great. I then

(34:49):
had to reply back about the fact that I have
a job and relationship, and I eat regular meals, and
I have things that I have to be at on
a regular basis. I don't have any of those. I'm
going to forego. So will you make sure to ford

(35:10):
those to me because I literally have not have those
right now? You still have to show here. Well, okay,
so I have one commitment a week and you have
to do your research. Okay, so I've like one and
a half commitments a week and then we have to
edit you out. Listen, email this to me because I
need this so bad. I needed too, just for asteroids

(35:31):
and a couple of others. I can't keep going to
ground control. That's expensive. Yeah, it's real expensive. Yeah, anybody
ground controls in Arcade here in Portland, actual arcade and
arcade for arcade there, then over one Arcade You're welcome.
Someday I'll host a little something there. And then that God,

(35:52):
what was a tank game that came out right after Asteroids?
It was I know, the one we've talked about. We
talked about it. That was it was. That was really
cool too for the time. I mean, obviously it was
pretty crude for right today's standard, But no, that I
really like that at email that gave us. That was
really good following up. Yeah, and I can't go to this.

(36:14):
We're gonna have to go to this badly. It to me,
Jones is gonna get do it? What else? I'm sorry,
I was thinking about games. What are we doing? Nothing emails?
That's what we're pretty much. We're pretty much done here.
We can wrap it up. Any last thoughts, No, yeah,
neither in my mind's a blank. Okay, well, bye bye everybody,

(36:37):
Thanks you guys. We'll talk to you soon.