CLASSICS (Bonus Episode): Oregonian Sasquatches!

Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bobo Fay.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Hello everybody, and thank you for listening to Bigfoot and
Beyond with Cliff and usually Bobo. Bobo's not here today.
God knows where he is. I honestly have no idea
where he is, but I do always on the road
for production, probably somewhere in southern Oregon or Washington or
somewhere in between. But it's Bobo. He could be on

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another plane of existence. There's a big multi verse movement
going on right now in the marvel. I mean, who
knows it's Bobo. Your guess is as good as mine,
but misses out this time because it's just me and
doing an interview today with a good friend of mine.
His name, we're just gonna call him Lance. We want
to keep his anonymity if possible. He is a long

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term witness that we've been working with here from the
North American Bigfoot Center for a year or two. I
guess now, I'm not really sure how long. I've got
a pretty elastic sense of time. But met this gentleman
in the shop and he told me about a couple
small number of sasquatch encounters that he has had through
the years, and so I started talking a little bit more,

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and lo and behold, he's had some very good up
and personal encounters with sasquatches. A handful of other sort
of class B sort of things on top of it,
and a lot of it is largely due to where
he lives. He lives in a very squatchy zone and
he actually literally chose his property for that purpose. So
we're going to get into a little bit of that

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and hear about the backstory of what Lance has gone
and how this all started and all that sort of stuff.
I think you're going to really enjoy this episode. And again,
Lance is a good friend of mine. I completely believe
this gentleman. And so enough of me blab and let's
get into some bigfoot talk with Lance. So Lance, thank
you very much for basically being willing to come on,

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because I know that you're probably a little nervous. You
listen to the pod media don't you.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yeah, I get pretty tired of sasquatch stuff though I
listened to one or two and then I just don't
want anything to do with it for a while.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
I understand, you know, I tried running a bigfoot museum.
There's a certain balance that you're missing in one's life,
I think, right, But yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
So lanceship with imaginary beast.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Oh yeah, except that the except the imaginary part is
the problem, you know, because it's a lot of fun
to do and there are a lot of fun to
think about. But at the same time, if one isn't careful,
even if you're not really really a big footer, like
you're out seeking these things, it could take over your
life and really affect you in some ways, you know, yeah,
like like like what happened to you? But you know,

(03:01):
people are listening to the podcast. They'd love to hear
stories of encounters and whatnot. And you know, I'm not
a huge encounter kind of guy, Like, I'm not really interested,
deeply interested in a lot of stories. But you have
some really amazing close personal observations of sasquatches. You've had
quite a number of them through the years years. So
let's go back to the very first one. In fact,

(03:22):
let's go back to before your first encounter with a sasquatch.
Was bigfoot on your radar at all?

Speaker 2 (03:29):
No, And I did a lot of hiking with my
wife and father in law and all through the three
sisters over in Blue Mountains, and he had property up
with Lake Merwin in Washington. So I spent a lot
of time outside, but I never had any encounter, never

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really thought about the only thing I knew about was
learned Nimoy's in.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Search of in search of. That's what turned me on too.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
So I didn't have absolutely no opinion whether they were
real or not real.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
This was not in my mind, uh huh until that day. Yeah,
so tell us about what happened there.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
What were you were camping? Yeah? My in law, my
wife's mother and stepfather were big beer drinkers. Yeah, and
they went camping every weekend at the same spot on
a creek in h Clackamas County. And huh, from the

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time they got there until they left Sunday, they they
spent their time drinking beer and sent around campfire and
that's all they did. That was pretty much. I wasn't
big a beer drinker, but my wife and I would
go hang out with them like a lot that we'd
pop in on Saturday night and sometimes have a beer
with him, sometimes spend the night. And it was a

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beautiful little creek and area. And I had two dogs
at the time, had a Great Dane and a dover
and pincher like both you sized dogs, and it was
a great place to learn run and they were used
to and the in laws camped there like year after year,
like every weekend during the spring, summer and in the

(05:11):
fall into uh September, October somewhere and there get too cold,
Andy Quick Quick camp out there. On this particular time,
like after being very familiar with the place. It was
a Saturday night and uh we got there late. It
was dark out, and my wife and I and the dogs,
we were sitting around a camp fired bullshit with in

(05:32):
laws and uh my wife went to go pee in
the in the bushes and like first time ever, she
said like, like come with me, will you know why?
She was like, it's just really spook out tonight, and
so okay, So we went did that in the bushes

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and went back, had another beer and uh uh went
to bed. But it was creepy out that that night,
and it was late and dark, so we didn't pitch
a tent or anything. Then laws had a camper that
they stayed in, and I can't remember who went to
bed first, if they did or we did, but we
just we climbed in the car. My wife climbed in

(06:15):
the back seat and I climbed in the front seat
and pulled a sleeping bag for me. And uh, every night,
like whenever we camped out there, like I always tied
the or I chained actually chained the dogs to the
front bumper or the car, and then in the morning
i'd they'd be whinding and I'd go and hook them.
And then if we're sleeping in the car or sleeping

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in the tent, I go back to sleep and just
leave them run because they didn't go anywhere. Good puppies.
And so this particulars Sunday morning, they whined and I
got up and unhooked them from the car bumper in
the chains. Is this like at the crack of dawn
or something or this was like I guess like seven fifteen,
seven thirty in the morning. It was it was just

(06:59):
it was daylight. I don't know how long it been daylight.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yeah, but a little on nearly side, I guess, yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
And so their normal routine, as soon as I had
done hook them from their leashous chains, they'd take off
across this creek and run up the hill on the
other side and me playing and wrestling and then come back.
And that was this ceremoniing routine and they'd hang out.
I can't remember if I fed them then or what,
but anyway, i'd go back to bed for a while.

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So anyway, this particular morning they this was nineteen seventy seven,
a long time ago. I lam off the leashes, They
ran across the creek, ran up the other side, just
doing their normal playing and stuff. And then at some
point they encountered a sasquatch that was like laying there,

(07:45):
either sleeping or watching. I'm not sure which, but they
it screamed and roared and they just like whimpered and
started crying and screaming it.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Now, remember you were inside the car or no, I was.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Outside, because I just let off and like they ran across.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
You're watching them, So did you see them run across
the sasquatch or did their behavior change? And that must
be what happened what followed.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Well, I watched them running across the creeking up to
the other side to a point, and I think at
some point I I don't know if I turned and
was going to go back to bed or what. But
because I mean this, they did the same exact thing
every weekend, so I think it like when it Sasquatch
roared and screamed and the dogs like started screaming and
whipping and running back. They came flying back, and this

(08:35):
thing was just roaring and screaming and I like stomping
on the ground and like coming towards us.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
And are you looking at it at this point or
are you just hearing it?

Speaker 2 (08:49):
I mean, it happened pretty fast. But like the dogs
when they got back, they dove under the car and
they're shaking, and the whole car shaken. And at the
same time, I'm climbing in because this thing is like
like stomping through brush and and uh through the creek
and you can hear it and it's just screaming and roar,
but you haven't seen it yet. No, I was just

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in fear.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
Something is coming down there.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's just stomping and roar.
And coming towards us end, it was so loud that
my inside is hurt, like all my organs inside my
body like felt like they were going to explode. It.
It's just it was painful. And the closer god to
the smell was incredible.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
What would you add, how can you describe the smell?

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Uh? Sulfur, sulfur smell. But unlike how I've heard other
people describe it to me, it didn't. It smelled like
like if you're in a a chemistry lab or something
is like pure sulfur. It was. It was a very
pure sulfur smell, I think. But anyway, so the dogs

(09:59):
don't have under the car, and we're talking sixty five
mel but with a whole lot of ground.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Clerks and yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
And I dove into the front seat out fear, and
I tried to pull sleeping bag up over my eyes
to hide. But I was on the sleeping bag and
I can only get up to about my chest and
I couldn't get up any higher. And this thing is
getting closer and closer and closer, and I wanted to

(10:29):
close my eyes, but at that point I was actually
like this frozen with fear, and I literally tried to
close my eyes, but I couldn't. I was just at
that point, I was frozen in the position I was
in and I couldn't do anything. And it stomped and
was screaming like it's like half an elephant, Like the

(10:50):
ground shook went when stomped. It's like an elphant being
mad or something. Two legged elephant, I guess. And it
got right up to the side of the car. And
at this point I could see it. I could not
see it, but only saw it up to neck her chin,
just a huge, black, hairy mass.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Oh so you saw the chest area, but the head
was too high to see, is what you're saying. Yeah, okay,
I see you get through the windows of the car
that you're.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yeah, because I think I'm looking staring right out to
my driver's side window. That's where my head's at, right there.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
And that's where it was too.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Oh when I know I've heard this story before, obviously,
by the way, I love every time you tell it,
but I always pictured it was you're looking at the
window at your feet, but it was actually right above
your head. Holy crap.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, like eight ten, twelve inches away from me. Yeah, yeah,
so it gets it right up next to my window
and it stops, and I thought my first thought I
had was it was just gonna rip the dogs out
from out of the car and like ribbing the shreds.
But it just stopped and hesitated and like imitated like.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Rare started a mountain lion, yes.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Very loudly, and at which point, like that put more
fear into my dogs, like there's shakings about. The whole
car is going up and down, and uh, it stopped
and did that. And then while it was standing there
was I was standing there. No, it hesitated, stopped right
next to my window and did that. And then after

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scared the dogs, you know, more than they were already scared,
it started stomping off again and cussing and sasquatch like
you know, figured that one out yourself, but just and
just stomping, and every stomp like the ground actually is shaken,
I guess like eight hundred pounds. I mean, it is huge.

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And you could I mean, as we were pretty close
to the street and acrossed the street and on the
other side, you could hear it just like busting and
just going straight through the brush, like not going around anything,
just going right through everything. Yeah, my wife was sleeping
in the back seat. She didn't say a word. And
then after this happened, I I couldn't get her to respond,

(13:14):
like she just pretended like like nothing happened. Really, I
think she's just scared to death. I don't know. She
would never talk about and my in laws that were
in a camp or like a hundred feet away in
the morning, like after after this happened, it was just
such a rush that it was. It was over now

(13:35):
with I fell asleep and I woke up. I would
guess it was like elevenish or something like that, and uh,
my mother in law and her husband were sitting around
the campfire, and I went over and sat down, and
and uh, nobody's saying it word because they were just
hun her feet away. They heard everything ever that happened. Yeah, yeah,

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And I don't know how long we sat there, but
I was just in chalk still and uh, you know,
you just have so many weird thoughts like running through
your head and everything. And then I remember mother in
law said like that was really weird this morning, and
then silence again, and uh, everybody is sat here looking

(14:21):
at the fire. I remember later in the day we
where this was was not too far from houses and neighborhoods.
I mean, we're talking to you. A few miles away,
there's people and so a friend of the in laws
there used to come out and he sit and tell

(14:42):
stories and drink beer stuff. I remember they were talking
about what happened to us and and uh, I remember
hearing him, uh say that, like, you know, want to
see sasquatch, Like go up the road here to the
tree farm was full of them.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
Yeah, full of them, brimming to the edge oft with sasquatch.
You can't even keep them contained.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
But the weird thing about all this was that was
that was my first encounter. And yeah, we'd been going
to a spot camping and watching them laws drink beer
so middle aged like people did do and yeah, yeah,
nineteen seventy seven. That was no thanks. Yeah, I wasn't

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a big beer drinker.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Did they continue to camp at the same spot after
that or that change their behavior?

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah, I don't know if I remember. I've been back
here a few times after that, but not camping, and oh.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
You brought me there one time, Yeah, to go check out.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
I can't remember how long it was after that, It
was a while. I think it was a couple of
years they actually closed it to camping and they're still
to this day. There's sign there says no camping. No,
there's no that. I'm not sure what I was on
the sign, but yeah, you've been there. It's pretty smaller.

(15:59):
Kids used to go there and they just tear the
place up and leave litter and trash and fireworks and
and you go down in the creek and there was
trash all over the place. I actually went down there
one time with uh, I can't remember, uh, my wife
in later years or and I think it was Connie,
my last wife who's deceased now. I think her and

(16:20):
I and one of my dogs like went down there
one time, picked up trash in the in the creek.
And one thing I saw there was when we were
picking up trash, were stacked the rocks like oh, like
trench in diameter rocks like stacked about four feet high,
like coming out the out of the water. There was

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like there was like maybe two or three of them.
And Uh, I thought that was unusual.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
Like I think that it might be connected somehow. Maybe
I don't know, but good answer, I don't know either.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Later years I saw the same thing. But one hundred stacks.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
I know some people think that sasquatches stack rocks, and
maybe they do. I'm not sure if anybody.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
I can't imagine a human teenager or adult like being
able to balance rocks like that that perfectly like four
feet high, let alone one hundred stacks. Yeah, pretty bizarre.
I don't know. So that's pretty much my first encounter.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
Did that change anything in your behavior?

Speaker 2 (17:25):
They? Oh changed everything really, So my whole attitude about
everything changed because I just realized, like, you know, everything
is a lie or there's there's more to everything than
mesa I or I mean, they're Sasquatch are real, it's
not a myth or or anything.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
And they're still in the zone. I might add too, Yeah,
they're still out there in the same general area we
got stepped this past year. For this past summer, we
got reports from that general area here at the NBC.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
No I thought I've had is this is a little strange. Maybe,
But because of Sasquatch and because I how many thousands
of people like haven't reported their sightings or encounters, I
think there's a whole lot of woods and forests that
are still there because we didn't settle there and build
cities and stuff like that because people got ran at well, they.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
Also like the they seem to like the land that
isn't as usable perhaps as the big flat areas that
you can farm or run catalot and stuff, you know.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Have something to hide behind.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
Yeah, yeah, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with
Cliff and Bobo. Will be right back after these messages. Well,
now that was only that was your very first encounters.
That's not your.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
Only end of September or early October nineteen seventy seven.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
Yeah, yeah, and you know and forty five years ago,
forty seven, I don't.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Know, right.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
And when I say that you've encountered sasquatches, I'll just
say five I don't know how many times, five times
in your life. There are some old timers that say, well,
he's lying, because anybody whoever sees a sasquatch more than
ones has to be a liar because they're so rare
and it's such a and that's way like you know,
Peter burn and John Green and and the Hinden and
the old timers.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Would I get to tell my Peter Burns story.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
Oh yeah, she likes you. We can do that we'll
get to that. But but they're just wrong. Unfortunately, those
old timers are just wrong because if you're in this zone.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
You have to actually go out into the woods.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Well yeah, but if you're in the zone, you can
see if you're where they're hanging out, you know.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
Like my next encounter, my second encounter was nineteen seventy nine,
so two years later, two years later, and then up
in the state of Washington, and because my father I
had had property up there, and so we used to
go through a bunch hang out with him. And with
him we went highking a lot. We did three sisters
a bunch. We did uh wellalas And then I think

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the first time we piled it up to a creek,
and I don't think for some reason he thought like
that would be a good place to pan for gold.
Like next time we go, so we went again, he
had a gold pan, and of course we had like
a cooler with beer and food and munchies and that
kind of stuff. And we were in a I got
sixteen foot canoe, like three of us, my wife and

(20:14):
I and him. No life jackets.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
It was the seventies. Yeah, there weren't even like I
had shoes on. Well it was the seventies. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
So I think that no shirt, no shoes, no service
sign was in response to the nineteen seventies.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yeah. So, first or second time we paddled up to
this creek and follow the law is panting for gold
and the cliffs are so high that like three or
four o'clock there's no sundown in this canyon anymore. And
I guess Chili because we're in the water and drinking
beer and he's panting for gold and drinking more beer,

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and I'm trying to I remember, I was trying to
stay somewhat sober and not drunk because we're poundling the
canoe like several miles and like no life jackets, and
none of us are really good swimmers, and hey problem yet,
but I'm still I was, to be honest, I had
a little bit of fear of water.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
Well for good reason, it's yea yeah, So I think
it was like the third time we went up to
this creek.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
On the way back, a storm came up and we're
in the middle of the lake, no life jacks, nothing,
and the water like just stirred up and wind and rain,
and like I was scared to death, but not scared
enough to where we didn't do this again. And my

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father in law he was kind of he was pretty funny.
We got back, we did get make it back, and
we got the dock and didn't drown. But when we
got the doc and I grabbed a hold of the
dock and he just like leaned over to the water
side and fell in. Like I'm purpose like he was
pretty funny. So anyway, I'm thinking that was like the

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third time, and uh so we did we did this
again because we're stupid, And again a storm came up
and like this time, like we got scared really good.
So I decided, like the place where we're going is
so cool, I'm going to see if I can find
a map and find out how to get there, like
driving over land. Yeah, well this hike down to hike

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down the canyons to like paddling to it, which is
only for smart people. So looking at the county maps
and stuff, I found a way to get to this creek.
And we're going down these back like dirt roads and
stuff to get there. And okay, so this road goes
to like the the dam facilities like between the lakes

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and on the way that there's a you know, it
crosses the creek that we're trying to get to. So
before we get to this creek, though, there's a sign
that says like private proper GPGE employees only. But it
was a really small sign, like.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
A tree easily ignored. In other words, I.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Didn't see it, sure, Like did you see it? No?

Speaker 3 (23:15):
No, of course not.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
My wife didn't see it, my father in law didn't
see it. So we kept going so immediately like this
little adventure, like we're not where we're supposed to be.
So after a couple of miles, we get to a
bridge that crosses into the creek that we're trying to
get to, in the little canyon we're trying to get to.
And so as soon as we crossed the bridge, I

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saw a spot to my left and driver's side to
pull down into to get off this gravel road. So
I had a four wheel drive Bronco of sixty eight
or something like, way back when I had all the
cool cars I did. Yeah, did not grow that crap.
So I pulled down in there and I spun it around,

(23:58):
like so we could get out of there, because we're
not supposed to be there. Sure, yeah, and like just
to like hired our tracks a little bit, we started
gathering a brush and put it on the front of
the bronco to like blend in with the surroundings. So
we thought, like, you know, that's that's cool, Like nobody's
gonna see us, and it's not how far to get
back in the bronco and go back to where it's

(24:19):
legal to be. So yeah, I guess that was the thinking.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
We're gonna let a sign tell you what to do.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Come on, it was the seventies.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
It was a seventies, right, barefoot, no shirt, you have signs,
no safety belt.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
So we gathered up all our stuff, the cooler beer,
the follow out gold, panting crap and you know, church sandals,
all that kind of crap. Whatever we had. Everybody had
two handful of stuff packing with us. We found I
don't know if it was actual trail or we just
climbed down on the side of the canyon and angle
got down there and didn't only had to walk like

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one hundred hundred fifty yards to get to where we
usually went like canoeing. One thing I forgot to mention
every time we paddled up there in canoe while we
were down there playing in the water and being stupid.
It always felt like somebody was like watching us. Again,
this time we're down there and like walked to get
down there. It's a canoe, but kept I kept glancing

(25:15):
up to the top of the cliffs because it felt
like somebody was watching us, and uh, we didn't see anything.
And again like we did our usual routine. And then
three three point thirty somewhere in there, the sun's behind
the cliffs and it starting to get cold, so we left,
went back the way we came, and I got back

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on top of the bluff there and we're like twenty
five yards or something from the bronco, and the path
back to the bronco was a little bit to the right,
and my wife and father in law were walking in
front of me, and I was bringing up the rear.
You can't I had a cooler in one hand and
I can't remember what was in the other hand, but

(25:58):
both my hands were I was carrying stuf. All of
a sudden, I got whiff of something that the smell
that I recognized made me stop. And my wife and
father in law were continuing like slowly to walk to
the right. They were ahead of you or just a
little tab. But anyway, I recognized the smell, like it
just made me stop and I what is that? I

(26:19):
recognized that, but I can't I can't figure out what
it was. And at the same time I'm thinking about that,
I'm looking at this tree that is coming out of
a bush, and my whole train of thought changed because
like it's a man, that's a weird looking tree, and
I just know my thoughts were racing through my brain
and I just I slowly, like I kept looking up

(26:41):
and up and up, and like with the sunglance through
the trees. I could see like tufts of moss or
something on the side of this thing, and I keep
convincing myself it's a tree.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
So the sun was behind this tree? Yeah, okay, so
it's kind of in a shut in the almost like
a silhouette in a way.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
Maybe, well, but you can see not really because when
we're talking, I'm like three feet away from.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
Three feet okay, yeah, there to the.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Like you know, just right in front of me. What
is it?

Speaker 3 (27:08):
It's close to the wall here in the room. Okay,
so that's like about four or five feet, so doing
three and five feet away from you.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah, So I just I keep looking up this thing,
up this tree, and like the further up I look,
it's looking more and more like this normal bark of
the tree, like a dug fur or something, yeah, except
for the thing is like a weird shaded gray where
doug fur is like more brownish or brown or reddish

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or something. And so I'm just I'm looking at this
thing because it's just really we're gonna just keep looking
up and up and up and an angle about like that.
I don't know what that would be like huh. My
eyes locked onto its eyes. And it wasn't a tree.
It was a sasquatch. Yeah, and we're looking at each

(27:56):
other eye to eye kind.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Of, except this as three or four feet above your
eye level.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yeah, and we were so close that, I mean, I'm
looking at and it had like a it had grin
on his face, like a like.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
An evil grin, like like showing you its teeth.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Maybe a little bit, but it just had like a
I don't know what kind of grin you'd call it,
but it's like a grandma's or something like. Like mouth
was really really wide and like eyes were squinted, and
it's just like but smiling, but it's like a like,
I don't know what you call it.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
Well that yeah, that that's a stress reaction in apes. Okay, yeah,
humans are the only apes that smile of out of
the happiness. All the other ones smile at a stress.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
In that sort of This was like a this was
this was a smile like a like he didn't expect
me to to lock eyes with him and see him surprised.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
Well, didn't do well, just walk right by him. Yeah, yeah,
like walk right by this assquatch and didn't even notice it.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Right, So but okay, so we locked eyes and like
he went his he had total human like facial expressions.
It went from a grin. Even his eyes were like grinning.
I mean, he just it was it wasn't a smile,
but it was a grin. I don't know. But anyway,

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so his facial expression when we locked eyes went from
a grin to a total shock.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
Just his mouth opened and the eyes open wider. And yeah,
did it pull back like you just did right there
in the chair like the ship or did it just
yeah a little bit pulled back a little bit.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Yeah, And then right there at some point I screamed
and it screamed, and let me toss some stuff in here.
While I'm thinking about his eyes like looked just like mine,
like brown, uh huh, totally human. It was like looking
in the mirror in his eyes like, uh so anyway.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
You see the white parts of the eyes the sclera.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
It was just like looking in the mirror. Yes you could, yeah,
so yeah, I mean because it was I was just surprised,
like his eyes like looked like just like mine.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Did you notice anything else about the face or were
you just so focused on the eyes that in the
surprise of the moment that you.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Well, yeah, to just take this hair crazier Like as
I'm looking up this thing and see a tough to
moss here and there, because I thought it was a tree, Like,
it wasn't moss, it was hair. Hair. This thing we're
talking this was a hairless sasquatch.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
Well, a lot a lot of chimpanzees. I think that
people have probably seen it can get rather hairless as
well as they grow older.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yeah, well that's that was my opinion. That this guy
was old. Like there was just a tough hair here
and there on his whole upper body and no hair
on his face or on his head that I can remember,
just a gray rough skin like that. It resembled ark
of a tree but different. But like I I can

(31:04):
only relate to like from sun being in the sun
too much. Yeah uh, and and not having like hair
covering your body you protect you like just rough like
the higher up his body like was the rough it was.
I think it was from sun. Well.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
They live a tough life, to say the least.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Yeah. Yeah, so I imagine like you're probably going head
first through brush and this and that and everything, but yeah,
tough critters. His face was the only way I can
describe it as rectangle and very very weathered, just his
his upper skin and face and everything, like like the

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toughest leather you could ever see.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
Yeah, and grayish in color. You said that the body
was gray colors the hair, do you remember or.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
It was just a tought hair and a tough there
And I couldn't tell you what color was.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
I don't remember what was backlit by the sun of.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Yeah. So so back to what happened here. I screamed,
he screamed, and I turned around, and he turned around,
and then the last look I had him was as
he's turning his eyes like turned bright red, but he

(32:24):
hadn't turned enough yet to be like it was the
sun like that it was it was emanating from his eyes.
They just they turned a bright red. He was and
he went from originally smiling to like angry. I mean,
you could just see it on his face and in
his his voice, like.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
Was it a high pitched scream, like like a little
girl screaming, or that was your scream like a little girl?
It was his first.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Scream was like the same as mine. And then but
behind me is my wife and the father law are screaming.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
This must have been terrified. It must have been as
scared as you guys were.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
I think so well, I don't think you expect anybody
seem to start with. And the only reason I stopped
in the first place was because the smell like reminded
me of my first encounter, which had been a couple
of years earlier, and that's as a time I wasn't
relating to. I didn't figure out what it was until
after all this was over, and I realized, like that
smell that made me stop was because he smelled like

(33:32):
the first one I encountered two years earlier, right right,
And uh so the three of us. I mean, we
all dropped everything that we were carrying. It's probably there
to this day. I can't remember what I had a
little cooler. I can't remember what else was in my hands,
but I dropped it and ran, and wife and father

(33:55):
in law ran and we all jumped in broncon and
we didn't cleared the brush of the the way. We
fired up and like leaped up on the road with
it and had took off as fast and good, and
we got down the road about maybe a mile and
I just like stopped on the brakes, slid to the
stop and the gravel and we all looked at each
other and just cracked him laughing. And the funny part

(34:20):
was as my wife says, like, what are we running from?
Like she didn't was that? No, she didn't see it.
My father in law did, but she didn't know what
it was because it all happens so fast.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
Oh gosh, I must be even I don't know if
that would be scarier or not.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah, And so that's pretty much that story.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
Yeah, yeah, So the red eyes, that's really interesting. I
know you and another good friend of mine have both
seen the eyes the eye the eye thing.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
I was actually looking at when his eyes went from
looking like my eyes to turn the red.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
And when you say it was red, was it the
color depart like the brown part of the eye turned red?
Or is everything turned red? Or what?

Speaker 2 (35:02):
What?

Speaker 3 (35:02):
What was it that was red?

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Wow? That's that's hard to describe. I thought about tho
thousand times. It's like read emitting from his eyes, but
you can no longer see his eyes. It was everything
was red. It's just a deep, deep with a lot
of depth orange or I mean red not orange.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
Now, since you actually observed this yourself, what would be
your explanation for that? Do you have one? Or is
it just like, holy crap, what the hell is that?
I don't just mystery, complete mystery, I.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
Say, in this case, like whatever, whether they use that
for something honeying a night or something. In this case,
it was triggered by anger, I think because he went
from like mean, fairly sociable, he was smiling all right
to uh so, like turning in haste and screaming, and
then his voice kind of turned to anger like ah,

(35:59):
and his eyes changed. And at that point my feet
were moving faster than my brain was. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
I bet stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with
Cliff and Bobo will be right back after these messages.
So that was your yours and your wife's second encounter.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yes, what it is?

Speaker 3 (36:25):
Where is she in this whole thing at this moment?
You know, back in nineteen seventy nine or whenever, seventy seven,
seventy nine.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Oh, like she wouldn't talk about it. Yeah, again when
that stuff happens, like it's you know, nobody talks about it.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
And you didn't talk about it for a long time either,
forty five years. Yeah, until the cliff into your life.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Really sad that was with us, Like Richard he died geez,
twenty twenty five years ago. She died just three or
four years ago, I think.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Maybe five, which was a big turning point in your
life in some other ways.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Right, Well, that she wasn't I had a different wife,
Oh a different okay, Yeah, that she was a wife
like you know forty years.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Ago, I see.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Okay, we were together until like eighty one, so a
couple more years after that what she would never talk about.
So anyway, my current wife, we had no experiences together.
We were together in twenty two, twenty three years. Yeah,
she died in twenty seventeen, and that's why I moved.

(37:34):
I moved the next year in twenty eighteen to the
proper ca'm at now.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
Yeah, and why did you choose that property? Do you
want to get out of town?

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Yeah? It was hard to live in the house where
my wife Actually we did a home hospice and my
wife actually died at home after fighting cancer for like
well over ten years. She had brain surgery like nine
years before she died, and the doctor said, like, she
she should make another nine years, and it was exactly

(38:02):
nine years when it all came back and took her out.
It took her fast.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
So you were in town at that time, Yeah, we
had a house. But so you want to get out
of the house for obvious reasons. Yeah, and then but
you also wanted to be out in the woods for
the sasquatch thing.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
I well, or is that accidental? I'm not sure. I
think I was just looking for someplace out like the
place where I had my first encounter that showed you. Yeah, okay,
up that road to the north was a house that
was like empty and totally beat It was a rebuilding

(38:39):
and it was on nine acres and it overlooked a
valley that was just north of that siding that I
had there. Yeah, And so I was interested in that house,
and I was gonna be on because they were taking
bids and some offer actually offered like fifty grand more
than I was that I had. Yeah, and we're talking

(39:00):
of a place that like people even got in and
stripped all the wire. Now, it was that bad, but
it was It was cool one time, and it could
have been again. So that's what got me interested in
being out again. And so I just I kept looking
and there wasn'tnything available anywhere at that time. That was
twenty eighteen. I think I found a place I'm in now,

(39:20):
and it was just about all there was, and I
wasn't sure I wanted it because the old Double Why
is pretty shot, and but it was cool property or
an area I guess close to Warehouser tree farms and
National forests and stuff like that. And the day I

(39:42):
was going to look at the place in person and
meeting my real estate buddy, that was we're going to
be turned so I could look at I stopped at
the warehouse and property and open field and I had
two dogs with me, and we made it probably three

(40:02):
or four hundred feet down this gravel, rolled into this
open field, and my dogs were right next to me
and Abigail. She went and sniffed at something like just
the right of it's like ten fifteen feet to the
right of it in the grass and stopped and looked
at me, and why I went over and looked, and
there was a critter there. I'm not exactly sure. It

(40:25):
was a nutria or something. It looked like a beaver
but no tail, and the head was ripped off and
it was still gushing.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Blood, still gushing blood.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Still, blood was still coming up, so it was very
fresh then very fresh. Yeah, like we interrupted something, and like,
this is a pretty open field. The grass was, you know,
twelve sixteen inches high at the most anywhere I think
it'd been logged recently, I know, but it was a
pretty much open field.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
Yeah, you've showed me where that field is. It's not
far from where you live.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Right, Yeah. So I saw that and that kind of
sold me on, like, well, that's just that's scary weird.
I mean, me and the dogs, I mean my dogs
like went from being excited to get out to play too,
Like I think we all three of us walked backwards,
back to the track.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
I chose my property based on a headless rodent, well something.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
With hands like rips this thing apart.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
No I would have been sold to. I get it
like you. I also chose my property based on sighting
reports I think most people do.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
And the house I looked at that I didn't get
because somebo outbid me. Was you know at that point,
I was thinking, at that, well, that's real close to
where I had a siding when I was a kid.
I'd be great as overlooked this canyon. I could like
I got to catch window and see down at this canyon,
like watch for bidfoot Yeah. And then here I come
across this and all I can think about is like,

(41:51):
gotta be a sause squatch. It did that? Like what
else could do that? And then so I had an appointment
to look at the property and me the dogs, I drove,
drove up, took a left, drove a couple of miles
to the property, and walked around with my real estate buddy.
And he's trying to talk me out of it because

(42:12):
the double white on it was like thirty eight years
old or something, and and but this is all it
was available. And I thought at the time because I'd
always had rental houses. Was well, just ran out my
house in Milwaukee that I live in and and pig
more money and you know, like working this place for
putting me double white or something, which is all I

(42:35):
did work on. So I can't remember where I moved in,
like June July something like that of twenty eighteen, and
I can't remember if i'd moved in yet or not.
But June of eighteen, and you saw the picture of
the footprint I took. Yeah, yeah, I was thinking it
was July, but you looked at the date on it

(42:56):
was June.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
I think it was. I think it was June. I
had to double check again, but.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Yeah, but anyway, that's the first thing it happened, Like.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
You found a deep footprint, a big footprint in the mud.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Yeah, in that like it was definitely a couple of
inches longer than my foot, which you know my shoes
like twelve thirteen inches. Yeah, yeah, And so I'm gonnauess.
It was like seventeen. It's hard to saw. All my
dogs were around in the mud. I thought they were
gonna screw up the print. So I tried to make him,

(43:25):
you know, like sit still, and then before it was destroyed,
I just pushed my foot into the mud next to it,
and then moved my foot and took a picture. Unfortunately,
my foot didn't make much of an impression in the
in the mud.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
Yeah, you can still see it though, you can see
it in a photograph.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
And the other one was what like two inches deep
or something.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
Yeah, it had to be.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
And it just stopped raining like a half hour before
we were out there. I mean, it just stopped raining.
So I don't know how my foot cannot make a
your impression than it did. But hmm, so the conditions
hadn't changed measures, I guess what I'm saying. Like, I
was kind of surprised that my foot didn't go in further.
So it was something pretty dang heavy.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
So so you found the footprint on the property, say,
oh my god, there's here. You signed the papers. Now
when now, when I met you, you had already bought
a thermal imager.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Yeah, well before the thermal, I bought a night vision
and uh, well, let me back up air, Like, well,
I bought his place. Five women lived in the house.
The father was and I heard it had an alcohol
problem or whatever. But there's three daughters, his mother and

(44:45):
his wife lived there. Uh so five women and all
of them they had all the windows and everything all
closed up because it said it felt like somebody was
watching them all the time. Yeah, and when they moved out,
I'm moved in. It happened like really fast. Anyway, I
started being harassed by sasquatch.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
What would they do? What would they do.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Trees like right across the street in the in the woods,
or tree slap so loud that my dog's frozen step
and looked at me. And then you know, like we
did get in the car and I'd go to work
in new Portland.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
Nights, didn't you y?

Speaker 2 (45:23):
I did? Yeah, and the house got hit I thought
by like a trunk of wood or something, but as
you pointed out, like it could have been a hand.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
Yeah, they seemed to slap houses on the outside or
throw do something like that happened.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
That happened more than once.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
And how long was the house vacant before he moved in?
Two days or two days?

Speaker 2 (45:47):
All?

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (45:47):
I mean as as soon as they were out, I
was moving in. Okay, In fact, I actually left. I
asked him if I could leave a boat and a
trailer and stuff out there before they even moved, because you.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
Know, I sure sure, yeah, excited about moving inert.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Yeah. I had my boat like next door to the
shop there like two weeks before I moved in. So
between the tree slaps and the grouse in the woods
and somebody hitting the house, you.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
Were probably thinking, oh crap, what have I done? Yeah,
careful what you wish for? Yeah, stay tuned for more
Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right
back after these messages.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
So I bought a night vision I think, I like,
you know, I don't know what it's gonna do. At
the time, I thought was good. Yeah, so you know
where that I got that tree twist out there?

Speaker 3 (46:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Yeah, you know, two hundred feet.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
Back or something or two on the other side of
the goat pin.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
Yeah. So I believe it was with the night vision,
Like I was sitting on the deck and look around,
and I saw somebody or a squatch standing back here
on that trail right by that where that tree break is. Yeah,
I don't think the tree break was broke before I
saw him. Yeah, but I didn't see him doing I

(47:14):
didn't hear him do it.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
And this is pretty much right after you moved in,
you saw this thing. Yeah, in the middle of the
night or before after work maybe or something, because I
know you were tonights.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
I think that was. I think it was before work.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
What was it doing? Just standing there looking at you,
standing looking at me? And then at what? What did
it do?

Speaker 2 (47:34):
It just turned and walked back down the trail, and
you thought, do well, I was. It was kind of
through the scope. It looks short and fat. Geez, I
don't know. It could have been some feet kind of.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
A long ways. That's like one hundred yards probably from
your porch, don't you think.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Yeah. I was saying at the time, like I was
having all this activity and weird shit going on, but
I actually thought it was more likely a neighbor than
a squatch. But the tree break right there, Yeah, a
big tree squatch like it was way higher than the
human could.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
And there's what what why would why would your neighbor
be out there at night and walking back?

Speaker 2 (48:08):
I was trying to dismiss everything that happened.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
Yeah, yeah, I could see that.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
I could. So that was that was all twenty eighteen,
and slowly, yeah, stuff subsided, But before I did, I
was really regretting moving out there. In fact, one night,
like uh, I mean, dogs got in the car truck
where I was driving that day and so I could
go to work for a few hours at night, and

(48:34):
the tree slapped happened right across the road. I almost
thinking home that night because I was that scared. But
all that like slowly calmed down. And so that was
twenty eighteen.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Yeah, so what would be the next thing? When would
the road crossing or your neighbors the very next thing? This?

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Okay, so this was this was twenty eighteen. Still I
saw the the big red one standing in the middle.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
Of the road. And okay, so you're you're driving home
from work.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
No, I'm just I was just going to town in
the morning. This was ten am in the morning.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
In the morning, you're driving to town.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Yeah, nice spring morning. Huh. I can't remember what month
it was, but I might be wrong on the date.
Maybe that was spring nineteen.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
It's a spring, okay, so it was it was a
spring of maybe nineteen.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Let's go with that. Actually, sure, you're driving to know
somewhere on it.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
But you're driving to town ten o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
I see somebody standing in the road like a half
mile ahead of me, you know, And uh, it's a
straight stretch of the road, and then there's a little
rise in the road and then there's houses. And it's
as closer I get, I see it's not a person
standing there. It's a sasquatch and he's tall. And I

(49:49):
just I keep I'm sure it's a sasquatch. Like every
foot I'm driving closer to I'm more convinced. I keep
it closer and closer and closer, and it's not moving,
and it's looking the direction would that be anyways west? Yeah?

(50:10):
I get it up on a hill. They're they're building
a house up there. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
You said there were houses pass there, but to be fair,
not many. This is still very rural. There's there's at
the next probably the next.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
First house on the right, fifty acres or three probably. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
Yeah, So when you say houses, bring up on the hill,
let's paint a better picture. It's not a neighbor.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
So anyway, I'm just driving up on this thing and
it's staring that up that direction. It's actually standing right
in the middle of the road, And I get closer
and closer, and I can't believe how close I'm getting
and I mean getting close enough to see, like it's red,
harry and tall, and I'm probably two fifty feet away

(50:56):
something like that, and driving forty to fifty mile and
it finally like turns slowly. It didn't hurry, It didn't
run off like oh, no car's coming or scared or anything.
It took its time like turn and walk to the
south and into the into the brush, into the woods.
And I stopped right where I saw it and rolled

(51:17):
down my window, and there was just a ton of
noise coming from where they were building a house, like
boom boom, boom, and shaking the ground. I don't know
if they were drilling well or driving pilings or something,
or it was really loud and apparently like annoyed the sasquatch.

(51:38):
So that was let's go with spring of nineteen on
that one. So that was the last thing that year
until September nineteen. I'd had a deer jumped over my
neighbor's fence and eating apples off my tree right bewd
my house. Daily for several days. He'd been doing that,
and I I'd go out the deck and and wave

(52:02):
arms and they'd jump off and run away. So as
in the kitchen, like I had to sink looking out
the window and I saw something I saw moving to
my left. I thought, it's five o'clock in the afternoon on
a sunny day. Yeah, September. And I added the deer again.

(52:23):
So this time, I'm gonna like just scare the crap
out of them, and uh, you know, I'm gonna I
was planning gonna do like the wild Man thing and yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
And little did you know the wild man was going
to do something to you.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
So I go out in my front door, I go
around the house, down my driveway and I'm peeking around
the side or the corner of my house to the
to the west.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
Yeah, to the neighbor's property. Yeah, your neighbors property. You've
got twenty something acres, but it's very very long and
skinny kind of so how like one hundred two hundred
yards wide? Yeah, yeah, yeah, so the neighbors are right
there pretty much.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Yeah. So anyway, like I peek over, I expected to
see like deer, like maybe one or two in my
yard and the other one is like getting ready to
jump over, like because there was like four or five
deer that were doing this, and I instantly saw like
a large black figure like standing perfectly still, like at

(53:26):
the edge of the neighbor's field, like before he got
to the trees or like their chicken cub or their
house is just standing there like frozen, and U, you know,
you don't know what to do. In those moments. It
was like jet black seven and a half feet tall
and just standing there like maybe like he's listening or something.

(53:52):
I don't know if he's after chickens or been watching
the deer eat my apples or what. But he used
to standing the frozen and I was standing frozen, and
I didn't know what to do. And and I don't
know if I wanted to like lean around the post
at the corner of the house there or what, or
the deck or whatever you want to call it. But

(54:12):
I had one foot in gravel and I just barely
moved my foot and made gravel noise, and it spun
around and like split took off running like a full
speed like due north like and the neighbors field there
was like I don't know how long I had this, Yeah,
a couple hundred hundred yard two hundred yards of the
most something like that.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
Yeah, until the tree line right.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Yeah, So anyway, he takes off running like he's standing
up and like running at full speed, and there was
a little bit of area there where the one shop
blocked the view of hair. But like before that, he
dropped down on all fours and then running about the

(54:56):
same speed. I don't think it changed in fast how
fast he moved, but he went from Santa running to
drop down all four his running, and then once he
was past the shop, I had him in view again
and had him to the woods, viewing him to the woods,
and then those trees are sparse enough, I still had
view of them, like running through the trees a little bit. Yeah,

(55:16):
and jet black. And I'm just guessing he's the one
who left the footprint.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
It might be the same one.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know. So that was September twenty nineteen,
and from what I know now from I've been there
long enough, I've met neighbors and talked to neighbors, like
generally every September they're sasquatch rather eating apples.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
This is what the now you met. Another witness came
in our shop here and he told us about finding
footprints on his property and his son. I think saw
one running across his field. And it turns out he
lives three doors down from you.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
We won't say his name or anything, but like a
totally unrelated witness report did similar things. I'd have to
double check my notes to see when that one.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Yeah, and then there was the guy across the street
from me to the east. They'd seen him too. He
no longer lives there, but yeah, is that the guy
you mean?

Speaker 3 (56:13):
Or yeah, yeah, the guy yeah, yeah, yeah, the guy
who doesn't live there any longer.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Yeah, well I think they don't. You have witnesses, witnesses
from the other directions.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
Oh, we've got a bunch of stuff in that general area. Yeah,
walk into the neighborhood you live in the zone.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Yeah, okay, So that was that was twenty nineteen, like
the daytime, starting at ten o'clock in the morning down
on that road, huh.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
Than the one running across the field. So there's another
road there, and there's another road crossing we haven't addressed yet,
is that.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Oh that's that's newer. So that that was pretty much
in twenty nineteen and twenty twenty, Like after seeing the
black one run through the neighbors field there totally quiet
in twenty twenty, I don't think there was any event
at all, though I was aware of uh huh. And
then two twenty one I retired from working and driving

(57:04):
to town every night. June thirtieth was my last AI
and since retired. But in February, on the way home
from work at like two or three o'clock in the morning,
had it road crossing right where I saw the red one.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
Yeah, within like fifty yards or something, within twenty thirty
fifty yards at the exact same spot.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
I think less than that. Yeah, yeah, So.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
This time you're driving the opposite direction on the road. Right,
it's pitch dark because it's the middle of the night.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Right, and I see it. I see a pair of
red eyes like about eight foot high, like floating across
the road.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
But you saw two of them, right, so it must
have been looking at you.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Yeah. I think it seemed to be like kind of angled,
like aware of me. But again, he didn't hurry across
the road, kind kind of floating. And when he got
across road and into the bushes, I could see his
eyes like turn looked at me, and the headlightsa on
my prius as I was approaching him, like never actually

(58:10):
like lit him up, And I don't know if I
had my high beams on or up, and like, you
don't think of things like that at the time, Like
I might have been able to like hit the high
beams and get bary look him or something, but you
don't think of those things at the time. Yeah. So
he got in the woods and turned and looked at
me as I drove by, and it was just right

(58:32):
right by where I saw that ten am morning daylight one.
And again he's going the same direction that one did
that morning and within a couple hundred feet or or
yards of where that daylight one happened. Yeah. Yeah, So
that was early in twenty one, twenty twenty one, and

(58:52):
then June or July of twenty one, I met you.
And then right after I met you, I mean there
was other small things instance it happened, I think, like
none comes to mind, But right after I met you,
I was on my side by side mean Abel, my dog,
and we drove to the back of my property where

(59:12):
I have a picnic bench, and we stopped there ring
yeat because I got trail cams on. I was gonna
check him. And as soon as I turned off the
key on on the side by side, like bam, bam bam.
Uh last three knocks I ever heard, because they were
like thirty feet like into the woods was all and

(59:33):
because all experiences I had through my life, like I
didn't even turn to look. I just started the side
by side up and drove off. I don't want to
see another one. I mean I do, but.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
From a safe distance. Perhaps I don't know.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
I go back and forth on that. So then I
contacted you, and uh, I got a whole lot of yeah, sure, no.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
Yeah, but sure, yeah, you they're real. You can't see them.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
I he's going to grab them for you and hold
until you got there. But yeah, but then I think
you told me shortly after that that further down the
canyon where I lived, like there was knocks reported. Yea,
right after that, right after that. So I think you
believe me a little bit more.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
Oh, No, I believe you anyway. Okay, I believe you anyway. See,
the vast majority of people that I run across are
just good, general, average folks. You know, no reason to lie.
They would get nothing out of it. If people seek
attention for me, I don't give it to them. A
lot of people want me to publish their names for
reports and stuff. I don't. I don't publish any reports.

(01:00:40):
Most people never hear about anything they gets sent to me.
I've got over twelve hundred reports no one, no one
has them but me, you know, and a small handful
of people i'd let have access to my database, but
no one gets attention from me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
I guess occasionally someone like you ends up on my
podcast if they have great stories. But that's about it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
You know, when you came in, I remember one of
the first time I don't know if it was the
first time I spoke to you or just one of
the first times. You were telling me about the stuff
that had happened to you and in the area in
which you live is an area of interest for us
here at the n ABC. And I said, okay, so
you've seen the red one. It sounds like you've seen
the black one. And I asked, have you seen the
big white one yet? And and it looks like and

(01:01:19):
like your face changed. It's like I just like hit
your head end with the hammer.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Of her one day. Yeah, I'm not sure if it's herd,
but I just another the red one and the black
one are definitely males. I mean there's you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
Know, that's the impression you got or did you see
the junk?

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
No, I didn't. There was like no breast. And I
got closer, you know, both of them were. I got
closer to the red one driving that I did to
the black one in the neighbor's yard. But uh, you know,
if there were females, you, I think you would have
been able to tell.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
But you think the white one might be female for
some reason or.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
I just saw it duck down and I wasn't sure
what I saw. This happened so fast, but just like
I'm looking at you. A friend of mine and I
were going to go down in the canyon. I can't
remember if we had a plan or reason or what
we were going to do. Actually, I think we were
in a fish I think we had fish and bowls
with maybe I can't remember, but uh, I decided I

(01:02:21):
didn't want to go because my had well my fee
was killing me because I had crappy shoes on. So
I turned around and we went back up and we
were by you know, we're the picnic benches there. Yeah,
well I was part right either with my pickup and
I was talking to my friend, it's like talking to you.
But I was looking past him and I saw something

(01:02:42):
duck down and it looked like white or grayish, But
I'm not positive because I just caught a part of
a head, but I couldn't tell for sure. But you know,
it's just a quick glimpse. Yeah maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
Well I meagine there's probably a bunch of other maybe
things that have occurred over the years as well, and
probably a lot more coming.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
Yeah, well you're you're in an ideal situation to have
more encounters, of course, which is why you bought the property,
and partially at least, and I thank you for inviting
us onto it now where we currently have a long
duration recorder on your property that in fact, I'll probably
be out there tomorrow changing the cards and the batteries.
We haven't got a We got some weird things, but
nothing you can take to the bank so far. So

(01:03:26):
if more stuff pops up in your property, I'll be
happy to share with the podcasts. And of course, our
museum members get first DIBs on a lot of this.
We've been monitoring your property for a long time and
we post things regularly to our museum members, and you know,
that kind of thing. So if you have any final
thoughts or any closing shots or anything closing shots, Yeah,

(01:03:48):
I want to take a want to take a shot
at me?

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
No, Now, I hope someday you get to actually see what.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
I want to see you in daylight. All I've got
so far is a thermal view of one, you know,
So yeah, I really have to see one daylight. But
you know, there's always tomorrow when I'm changing out the
long duration recorder at your property.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Yeah, see what you can do for me, Lance, I'll
wish one up for you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
Yeah, there you go, manifest it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Well, thanks, this is hard to talk about, all.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
Right, Well, thank you so much Lance for coming on
Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and usually Bobo. Bobo maybe
in town this next week. I don't know. He's the
kind of guy that calls me at midnight and says, Cliff,
I need a play some crash. Can I sleep in
her couch? And yeah, man, cool, I'll be there an
hour and then he shows up like a day later
or something. So we'll see if he shows up or not.
Too bad. You get a chance to meet him, though,

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