CLASSICS (Bonus Episode): Todd Prescott & The Sasquatch Archives!

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Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.

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And now you're hosts Cliff Barrickman and James Bobo Fay.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Hey, Bobo, would you like to start this one off?

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Or do you want me to go ahead?

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (00:42):
Oh, sorry about that.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
You were in your headphones, aren't you.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yeah?

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Why that's the downside. You're on your headphones.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
I guess very good sound, very good sound called sorry.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
All right, all right, here we go.

Speaker 4 (00:57):
You know what else I'm looking forward to today, Bobo,
is this guest we have on because I mean, we've
been kind of pestering this guy for months and months
and months to come on, and he finally acquiesced and said, okay,
I'll come on. And so I don't know about you,
but I'm pretty excited to have our good friend Todd
Prescott on the show today. Todd, of course, is the archivist,

(01:19):
the curator of like the John Green collection, and he
runs the YouTube channel, the best bigfoot YouTube channel out there,
I might add, called the Sasquatch Archives by far the best. Yeah,
YouTube is kind of a big, stinky pile of nonsense,
but like this stuff is legit, solid history, great Bigfoot
whatl'sonn Archive Sasquatch Archives kind of says it all. So everybody,

(01:41):
welcome Todd Prescott to Bigfoot End Beyond. Hey Todd, how's
it going?

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Man?

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Hey, Cliff and Bobo. I'm humbled by your kind words,
you know, I thank you for having me on here,
and I look forward to speaking with you guys about whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
It's happening now. Man, Yeah, it's happening now. I'm super
excited about it because you are running one of the
best online resources for anything Sasquatch related. And you know,
there's so much online about bigfoot, but most of it
isn't really worth much, and most of it it's just
people talking mostly about themselves, it seems nowadays bigfooters love

(02:18):
to talk about other bigfooters and themselves. But like, your
stuff is historical and straight to the point in a
lot of ways. But you've been a bigfooter for a
lot longer than you have been running the YouTube page.
Can you tell us a little bit about your bigfoot
history and then we'll go into the YouTube page.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Sure, yeah, you're absolutely right. It's only been maybe the
past seven or eight years that I've really focused my
time on archiving materials. I just felt there was a
need for that because when I was looking for things,
it had disappeared, someone had trashed it, or it just

(02:56):
got lost somehow. So I thought I better start saving
some of the stuff because there is some relevance and
an importance to it. But going back with my research history,
I probably started formally researching. I'm not talking about when
you're a kid and you're reading library books at age ten,
but when I formally started going out in the field

(03:18):
looking for these hairy subjects was probably around nineteen eighty nine.
I had the luxury of growing up on the edge
of a forest, mind you, a pine forest, not known
for sasquatch sightings. But I spent a lot of my
youth in that forest, and I'm very comfortable in the forest.
I fear nothing but ticks, the smallest thing, the most

(03:40):
dangerous thing, you know, the ones that carry line disease.
But of course we can't discern which ones do and don't.
But I did start researching formally in the field looking
for sasquatch around nineteen eighty nine, and then I moved
to Toronto, and there wasn't a lot of sasquatch stuff happening,
but Ontario was rich with a history of sasquatch dating

(04:05):
back to the early nineteen hundreds. You may know of
Old Yellow Top up in Cobalt, Ontario, quite well known
sasquatch up in that neck of the woods. It's such
a squatchy area up there. So I was very fortunate
to join a pop cover band in nineteen eighty nine

(04:26):
and we traveled all through Ontario. And Ontario is a
huge province. It takes you probably if you go around
the Great Lakes from Toronto, it's going to take you
nearly twenty four hours to get out of Ontario driving
and into the next province to the west, which is Manitoba.
Of course, so we were driving all over the place

(04:47):
heading up north. And if you know musicians, they perform
late at night and they get back to their accommodations
in the wee hours two or three in the morning,
depending what happening after the gig. Is there a party,
is there something else going on. I played it really
straight and narrow because I wanted to use my time wisely,

(05:08):
So I did my gigs. I'd get to bed after
the gig, I'd get up early in the morning and
hit the local forest. If it was an area that
had a history of activity, I was in heaven. I
would just literally go out in the forest. This is
before you know I had maps. There's no GPS, no internet,
no cell phone. Just get out there and do it.

(05:28):
Hope you don't get lost, Hope you don't get turned around.
Only one time I got turned around, and it was
a bit scary because I was almost late getting back
for the gig. But I did that for a couple
of years, and then I actually was in college and
I couldn't really do much when I was in college
except for on the weekends. Sometimes i'd drive to the
Niagara region because it's got a lot of rich history

(05:51):
with sasquatch sightings and activity there dating back to the
sixties and maybe before, but at least dating back to
the sixties on record. And so I jumped on cruise ships,
worked on cruise ships, even looked on the Caribbean islands
looking to see if there was any activity. I'd ask around,
and you get that sort of this guy's crazy, Look,

(06:11):
what's he smoking, but you know, what the heck you
got to ask, right, And then I scored a really
good gig in British Columbia, which, as you know, is
the mecca, considered the mecca in Canada of Sasquatch activity.
Even though there's there's a longer history of reports in

(06:31):
the east, BC is just teeming. It's rife with you know, history,
lores activity, so many sightings. It's just conducive to Sasquatch.
You go there and you go, wow, if I were
a Sasquatch, this is where I'd want to put my
feet up and live. So I scored a gig out
there in nineteen ninety five with a band that thankfully

(06:53):
toured all over the province again, to the northern part,
to the eastern, to the western part on Vancouver Island.
And again I did what I do best, which is
get up early in the morning and get out and
look around, asked the locals, what's going on, any sightings.
I knew my history fairly well from reading books. Of course,

(07:14):
I'd read the Green books, the de Hinden book, and
I knew of the hotspots. Let's say, so when I
ended up in Harrison hot Springs. I went, wow, this
is the place Yale Hope, BC. Everywhere, Prince George Terrace.
I was all over the province and when I ended
up in Harrison Hot Springs. Funny enough, I might be

(07:35):
getting ahead of myself here, but I knew John Green
lived there. Again, this is nineteen ninety five. I knew
he was there, and this is before I had a
cell phone, and the vast majority of the world didn't
have a cell phone. I'm sure that there was maybe
those huge cell phones going on, but I didn't have
anything like that. I went to a phone booth. It
was one of our days off, so I drove out

(07:56):
to Harrison Hot Springs from Vancouver, picked up, went into
a phone, looked up John Green's number. There it was
John Green. And I dialed his number and it rang
two or three times. And get this, this is a heartbreaker.
I heard someone pick up and they went hello, and
I knew it was Green, and I freaked out and
I hung up on him. I was so starstruck. I

(08:21):
just freaked out and went, you know what, this is
not right. I shouldn't be calling this guy. I shouldn't
be bugging him. He's an older man. He's already talked
to a million people. What does he want with me?
So I just left it at that. I regret it
to this day, of course, But eventually I did meet him,
and we'll get into that too. But suffice to say
that up until around two thousand and fifteen or sixteen,

(08:48):
I was mostly just doing field research with some archival
stuff in the background. But yeah, so archiving has taken
over my life right now because there's so much to archive.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
When you were on tour, did you ever say from
the stage and the crowd, like anyone got a Sasquad story?
Because I when we were on tour, I used to do.
I got them. I can say, who's got anyone have
any big foit information or settings? And I got reports
like that.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
To ever do that, you know what, I'm the guy
on the drums and I'm not allowed to speak, right,
so I really didn't say too much. But when we
were on break or before the show or after the show,
I asked. I asked anyone I could. When we stopped
in at the seven eleven or stopped in at the

(09:31):
coffee shop, I would ask. And of course the band,
my bandmates thought I was nuts, but they saw how
passionate I was about it, so believe it or not,
they eventually wanted to join me on my outings. They
were getting up at like eight in the morning, and
I remember, we're getting back home two o'clock, three o'clock,
so we're not getting a lot of sleep if you're
getting up to get ready to hike at eight o'clock

(09:53):
in the morning. But I knew I only had a
certain window of opportunity, and I couldn't go out at
night for two reas, namely because I was working most
of the night, and secondly because it wouldn't be wise
or safe of me to go out in the dark
without thermal imager or infrared or anything like that in
British Columbia where there are grizzlies, mountain lions and black bears.

(10:16):
So I was smart about it. I went out in
the daytime. I just felt safer now with my thermal,
with my infrared, I'll go out at nighttime, no problem alone.
I don't care. As long as the tick doesn't get me,
I'm good. But no, no bobo. To answer your question,
I never announced on the mic. I'm sure one of
the band members probably introduced me as the Sasquatch Researcher
one of the nights. I'm sure there were many times

(10:38):
when people said, yeah, you know what, uncle Billy saw
a sasquatch three weeks ago, or or yeah, my wife
was driving one night and she almost hit one. So
it was awesome to ask.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
You know, you know what you call a drummer without
a girlfriend homeless? Yeah? I love that show.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
What did the drummer get on his IQ test? Drewl Oh?
There's so many great drummer jokes, of course, and guitar
player jokes. I've probably heard them all.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Hilarious, hilarious. Are you still playing?

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Absolutely? I joined a new band to me back in
twenty nineteen, just before the pandemic. It was just shy
of a year before the pandemic hit, and they gig
every weekend without fail. This past weekend I did Friday, Saturday,
and Sunday. Saturday and Sunday were weddings, Friday was a

(11:33):
club date, and then there was a week before I
did four nights in a row, so they are quite busy.
Love the money, just it eats into it eats into
my time, which is unfortunate, but you know, it's a
way to make a living and I love playing, I
love interacting with people. So I'm definitely still still gigging
out there. As US musicians like to.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Say, fantastic good job. Yeah, I'm not doing nearly as
much as.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
I'd like to, unfortunately, but Bigfoot's kind of taken over
over my time a little bit.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
But I try to play a little bit on the side.
But that's for a different podcast.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
Perhaps stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff
and Bogo. We'll be right back after these messages. So,
all those years doing field stuff, did you ever find
anything interesting? You see one of these things, or find
some good footprints or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
You've opened a can of worms there, Cliff, Honestly, I've
had so many things happen we needed a few shows
to cover it all. But to be honest, and I
will be completely honest, I can't say with any certainty
that I've witnessed a Sasquatch. It's very possible that I did,
but I didn't see enough of it to make that determination.

(12:48):
And the circumstance was, if you care to hear, it
was in British Columbia, in the Sunshine Coast area. If
you know that area Seashelt.

Speaker 4 (12:57):
It was supposed to be spectacular. I've heard amazing reports
out of the Sunshine Coast.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Yeah, there is some crazy stuff going on up there.
I mean, absolutely insane stuff going on up there. I
don't know if it's still going on up there. I
would have been there in I'm gonna say twenty six
or twenty oh seven, and I was with other people,
so I know that it just wasn't me that experienced it,
because there was more than one person, often three people

(13:24):
with me when the same thing happened, and we agreed
what happened. But you know, it's that crazy stuff that
no one wants to talk about.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
Was that a VFR expedition one of those ones you're talking.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
About, Yes, it was. It was hosted by a Robert Kennedy.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
There you go, that's the NAMA.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
Yeah, we met him on the eight trip up the
Vancouver Island Bobo when we met Bender Nagle and stuff.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
He was on that trip too. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Yeah, So Robert had a lot of stuff going on
in that area, and I know what I experienced. The
two people with me know what we experienced. Could all
collaborate and you know, it's not like again it wasn't
just some something that happened in my mind. But I

(14:09):
probably won't delve into too much of that because it's
highly controversial. But the more nuts and bolt stuff happened
in Ontario. Thankfully I don't have to travel to BC
all the time to have activity.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
We like the weird stuff too, we like the controversial stuff.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
Well, I mean, if you want to hear it, I
can tell you a bit of it. I won't get
too far into it because it created it ruffles feathers,
let's say. But basically, at that time in two thousand
and five, I was not aware of eyeshine or eyeglow,
as I like to call it. And maybe i'd heard it,
but I didn't pay attention to it because I figured
that's impossible. How can eyes emit light? They receive light.

(14:51):
But what we saw, we don't know what it was.
But there were three of us standing there late one night.
It was after midnight. We we're standing in the dark
on one of those forest service roads. No one was
supposed to be out walking around at that time. We
were all supposed to be either in a tent or
on the roads, but certainly no one was supposed to

(15:11):
be walking back in the forest, and I highly doubt
that someone was because it's so dangerous. If you've been
out west on the coast, you can kill yourself walking
in the dark. It's just there's so much humidity and
fallen debris that you think you're walking on a log
and you'll fall through it and you'll break a leg.

(15:32):
But anyways, we're standing there just talking away and I'm
facing the forest, and we're kind of triangulated. So we
did that so in case we heard anything or saw anything,
we could not draw attention to it. Just say, hey,
I see something over don't look, but I see something
over or hear something over there, and all of a sudden,
I see what looks like First my first thought is

(15:53):
someone with a headlamp. I'm thinking, who is the idiot
that's walking out there, say, three hundred fee or so
away from us, in complete darkness, where I know it's
really dangerous to be walking. Who is the idiot? Because
it was a bright white light, and so I just
casually said to the two peoples with someone's over there

(16:15):
with a headlamp on, and so of course they looked
and it disappeared. Okay, well that's weird. And then it
came back. Now this time it was two. We could
see two of these bright lights. And one of the
guys said, oh, it must be a boat on the
water or a ship on the water, and I'm thinking no,
because the trees are covering the water. We can't see

(16:37):
the water from here, and the trees are fairly thick.
We were miles away from the water, so even though
they're huge, you know, fir trees, and they're quite spaced apart.
When you've got ten thousand of them between you and
the ocean, you're not going to see the ocean, and
certainly not a ship's light at night from where we were,
at least because we were so far up. We were
up a mountain. So we're trying to determ what it is.

(17:01):
And it stops, and it starts to change color. And
it went from a bright white like a headlamp type deal,
to a yellow, then to an amber, and then to orange,
not red, And it got more intense as we stared
at it, and it went out for a second as

(17:22):
if to blink. Now I can't say again that it
was eyes. I can't say that it was a sasquatch.
That much is all I can say, I don't know
what it was, but it was weird because it changed
color and it changed in intensity. And then we saw
another single light that very possibly was as people call

(17:44):
a tree peaker, because it was only one. But then
there are these other two that looked like eyes. Was
their ambient light, well, there was a little bit of
moon light, but not much. But what was crazy was
the intensity of these lights or eyes or whatever they were.
They got really bright and then and then receded in brightness,

(18:05):
and so I didn't know what I was looking at.
We were perplexed. So we got on the radio and
we we said, we saw some weird lights over here,
as anyone walking over in the forest. Who's the idiot
doing that? And next thing we know, money Maker comes
flying down one of these roads in his rented hummer,
ripping like a million miles an hour with his high

(18:26):
beams on. He's just clocking it like like he's being
chased by a sasquatch. And we hear him tearing up
the road. And now we didn't know who it was.
We thought, who is driving like that? Sure enough, I
guess he heard the radio call from us, and he
comes barreling down to where we were. He knew where
everyone was, and he comes barreling down and says, tell me,

(18:46):
tell me what you saw. So we explained it to him.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
He chased it off, of course, coming in like that, Well.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
Well that's that's what we figured. But but I think
it by the time I had radioed, it was already gone.
It was. I'm gonna guess three minutes maybe the whole
encounter lasted with whatever it was. And I want to
be clear, I can't with any certainty say what it was.
It looked like eyes emitting light. It looked like eyes glowing,

(19:13):
not eyes reflecting light, not eyeshine as we would see
with headlights on a deer or coyote or cat. It
seemed like eyes that were controlling the light. But I
don't know that that's what it was. So yeah, Matt
comes barreling in and he rolls down his window. I
walk up to the humber and he says, tell me
what happened, And so we all told him the same story,

(19:34):
and he says, we don't like to tell people this,
but these things can emit light from their eyes, and
I just laughed at them. I literally just went sure.
He goes, no, I'm serious. He says, we don't like
to relay this information because people think it's crazy, but
these things do that. And I just kind of went whoa,

(19:56):
and I had to, you know, think about it for
a while and decompress from what he said. And there
were other things that happened on that trip too. Before that,
I was sitting in a lawn chair or camp chair
with another researcher and it was just he and I
up on this mountain side, and he started freaking out.

(20:16):
We kept hearing something moving around or camp don't know
what it was. Could have been a bear, could have
been a mountain lion, could have been anything. He's he's
losing it, and I said, I won't say his name.
I just said, you know, calm down, you're good, don't worry.
I've got I've got bear spray. You know, we can
get in your truck. We're good. And he's like, no,
something ain't right. Something ain't right. I said, well, let's

(20:38):
just sit here in chill ax. And it was moving
around more and all of a sudden. Now bear in
mind that in nineteen ninety seven I had spent two
weeks by myself in the mountains of Bellakula by myself,
and it was the scariest two weeks of my life.
The scariest two weeks of my life. Nothing sasquatch related
happened as far as I know, but I was surrounded

(20:59):
by rizzlies, black bears, moose. I didn't know there were
grizzlies there when I went in, but I learned when
I came out that there were grizzly bears and black bears.
It's one of those areas that they mix, and I
didn't know that. Had I known, I probably wouldn't have
gone there. I knew about the big, fat black bears
that were there, and I saw the droppings, saw all
the signs of the bears. Never saw a bear, saw
some moose, had a moose approach me anyhow, saw coyotes.

(21:22):
But I was a seasoned field researcher who feared nothing
like I was by myself, without a cell phone, in
deep in the mountains, ten eleven miles away from the
community of Bellakula. But it was scary anyhow, So I
wasn't really afraid of anything that was happening. While this

(21:43):
guy was freaking out, I was more concerned for him
because it seemed like he was having an episode. So
I just sat in my camp chair. All of a sudden,
I went to get up and I couldn't move. I
was literally frozen to the chair. And it wasn't out
of fear. I was so calm, and I turned to
the guy and I said, I don't mean to alarm you,

(22:05):
but I can't move right now because he said before this,
he said, pack up, we're going. He's the one that
I hitched to a ride with up the mountain. He
was part of the expedition. He said, we're leaving, now,
pack up your tent. We're going. And I couldn't move.
I literally couldn't get out of my camp chair. I
could turn my head, but my legs and my arms
were frozen to the chair. And I thought, this is

(22:28):
really weird because I'm wide awake. I'm not afraid. I'm
very calm, actually, but I can't get out of this chair.
And as soon as he heard me say I can't move,
I've never seen anyone grab a ten so fast. He
didn't even tear it down. He grabbed it and through
in the back of this truck and he hopped in there,
and he's ready to go on I'm like, dude, can
you wait for me at least until I can get up?

(22:50):
So I was maybe frozen for fifteen twenty seconds, and
all of a sudden I could get up. I folded
up my chair, grabbed my tent, and he's saying let's
go now, now, now now, and I packed up fast
as could be too. I wanted to stay, to be honest,
but he was not having any of it. And he said,
you're gonna shine. He had this huge flashlight. He said,

(23:11):
you're gonna shine this all the way out the back
window as we drive down the mountain. I said, no,
I'm not. So we went down the mountain and we
met up with some other people. That was one of
the things that had happened along with the whatever shining
of whatever it was that I just told you about.
But anyways, there was another thing that happened that on

(23:34):
that expedition too, which was bizarre where basically, again I
was I was paralyzed but knocked unconscious. Me and my
partner then partner were both like put out. So she
was awake, I was awake. We were waiting up because
something was moving around her tent, and next thing I know,

(23:55):
she's out like a light snoring, sawing logs as they say.
And I'm thinking that's weird. So I nudgeer and there's nothing,
and I'm going this is really weird because we were
very well rested. The plan was to stay up late
and she's out like a light. Somehow. Meanwhile, something's moving
around her tent. I have no idea what it is.

(24:16):
And next thing I know, she's elbowing me in the side, saying,
get up, Todd, get up. There's something pushing down on
her tent. And I looked up and you could see
the outline of a hand, a very large hand, pushing
down on the top of the tent. We both saw it.
There was some lost time in there. I said to her,
I was not asleep, and she said, you were snoring.
I said you were snoring. She goes, I wasn't asleep.

(24:38):
So it was so weird. I'm sure you guys have
heard things like this before. There was just a lot
of weird things like what I described, and the year before.
I did not attend the year prior's expedition, but apparently,
and I didn't know this at the time until after
we were both seemingly knocked unconscious in our tent. We

(25:01):
told it around. You know, you have the morning get
together to talk about what happened the night before. I
told the story, and some people who were at the
previous year's expedition said, oh, that happened. The same thing
happened and so and so. You know, a few hundred
yards away from where you are or where you were camped,
same thing. Somebody was pushing down the tent big hand.

(25:22):
I'm like, wow, interesting. I don't know what it was.
I don't know. I can't explain how we were both
wide awake with the intentive staying up, and next thing
I know, my partner falls asleep, snoring like crazy. And
the next thing I know, she's elbowing me, telling me
that I fell asleep. So it was weird, just very weird.

(25:42):
So that's what happened over there on the Sunshaink Coast
in Ontario. I've had rocks thrown at me.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
Was this when you were drumming?

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Those are beer bottles? Beer bottles, Those are beer bottles.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
Yeah, Staaten for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
We'll be right back after these messages.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
In Pennsylvania, in the Allegheny State Forest near the notorious
Jacob's photo site. Done a lot of research there, and
funny enough, when after one of us urinates, we have
rocks thrown at us anytime of the night. It could be.
One time it was at midnight, another time it was
three in the morning, and all of a sudden, these

(26:32):
rocks come flying through the trees. How close, well close
enough where we heard a thud. We heard it hit
the ground, and they were big enough where you could
hear a thud, and we just heard it sailing through
the trees. At first, didn't know what it was. Thought, Okay,
that's kind of a strange way for an acorn to
fall or a chestnut to fall. It's sailing through the

(26:55):
trees because you hear it and then thump. So I
would say we never find the rocks, but I'm guessing
within fifty feet of us for sure. And it happened
on two nights in a row in Pennsylvania. It's happened
in Ontario. And I've been bluff charged twice in Ontario
by something that I didn't see, even though I had

(27:16):
a thermal on. Whatever it was stayed out of my
thermal sites. I don't know how it happened twice within
five minutes, and because of that, I'll probably never go
back to that area by myself, because the thermal for
me is the equalizer. I can see a black bear,
I can see the deer, I can see the coyote,
I can see the pack of wolves. Whatever this thing

(27:39):
was that sounded like a tank running towards me when
I was by myself just after midnight, after I did
a food drop, which I'd been doing for a few weeks,
and then I would do like a whistle to indicate
that the food's been dropped. Whatever it was wasn't happy,
and it came running at me, and you can imagine
my heart stopping. And at the time, my thermal wasn't
on a switch and it's on, and it was the

(28:01):
old X two hundred XP with you know those right,
and so I had to fire up the DVR as well,
the digital video recorder, and it takes a few seconds
and you can imagine me fumbling as as I hear
this thing crashing through the woods towards me. So my
first thought, it's a bear, so I should be able
to see it, because bear show up as a big
snowball on a thermal as I'm sure you all know well.

(28:25):
And I'm not seeing any big snowball. I'm seeing nothing,
not even a gray snowball. I'm seeing the trees that
give off a bit of heat. I'm seeing the rocks
that give off a bit of heat. I'm not seeing
anything moving. And I thought, Okay, maybe I imagine this.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
I'll beg the trees and how far space were they?

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Well, in that area, the trees, they might be sixty footers,
mostly popular, some maple, some oak, mostly deciduous in that
area of that forest. And as far as spacing, uh,
you know, there's some saplings in the mixed. That's why
it sounded so loud, because it was crashing through the saplings.

(29:05):
And it wasn't the trees it was crashing through. Really
was the saplings and any of the shrubbery and bushes
and stuff.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Two foot diameter down at the base of something like that.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
No, the saplings would probably be a little smaller than that.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
Like eighteen inch across. I mean, it was it big
enough where something could hide behind it?

Speaker 1 (29:24):
Oh, the trees were big enough something could turn sideways
and hide behind it, or you know, it could just
lay in the ground. I mean because I'm thrimbling up
above the ground right and I don't know where this
thing was. When it stopped, it just sounded really loud,
like a tank going through the forest, and it was
heading in my direction. So I'm just thermaling around like

(29:45):
a madman, trying to figure out what it is. And
you know, I'm trying to hold a thermal with the
DVR and my bear spray too, thinking I'm going to
get charged here. There must be a cub I'm going
to get charged by mama bear. Now this area. So
you know, this area is not known to have black
bears in it, but black bears will go anywhere, but
it's not really known to have black bears in that area.

(30:08):
But my first thought, it's a bear. So I let
it go. I backed away, started walking in the opposite direction.
And now I've got to do. I can either go
all the way around the forest or I can go
back the way I came to get to my car.
So I kind of moved away from the area, maybe
walked another five minutes, and started heading back and the

(30:30):
same thing happened. I got bluff charged again. Now I
know I've got to go the other way. This whatever
it is, doesn't want me going this way, so I've
got to go the long way. Now it's a long way.
You're going all the way around to get back to
the parking lot to my car. So I'm thinking, oh Jesus,
like help, like a mile. It's a couple of miles
for sure, and it you know, yeah, it's it's a

(30:52):
couple of miles at least. So I'm I'm high tailing
it out of there. So that was freaky. Also had
an enormous tree. I'm talking a huge tree. Get shook.
A buddy and myself we spent the day through this area,
you know, knocking on everything and making our calls and

(31:14):
stirring up everything in sight. And we stayed through the night.
And yeah, we're sitting there on a log by the
parking lot and we see, well, my buddy says, dude,
don't move, there's a wolf like ten feet in front
of you. I'm like, yeah, right, it goes look and
I looked and there's a wolf ten feet front of me,
just staring at me. Now turns out it was a

(31:36):
three quarter mixed wolf and domestic dog that this lady
walks back in this area pretty much every night. She's
got two of these three quarter wolves and a little
tiny other dog. She says she can't walk them anywhere else,
so she takes them back here. And so that was
her dog checking us out, her dog wolf mixed checking

(31:57):
us out. And we see her in the distance with
a the pin light like a flashlight, so you know,
we kind of say, hey, a couple guys standing over here.
Is this your dog slash wolf? And she's like, yeah, yeah,
don't move, it might attack you. So we didn't move. Yeah,
I've got the bear spray ready. So she makes her
way over and she she secures her dogs in her

(32:17):
truck and we start talking to her. And now she
tells us she comes to this area nightly. So I'm thinking, perfect,
because this is what this was like the first time
I was in this area. So she tells us about
these strange things that's happened to her, and so this
is really intriguing us. And as we're talking, her dogs
start barking and growling viciously, and she's thinking, well, they're

(32:38):
just upset because I'm talking to you. But the dogs
were fine for the half hour we were talking. But
after about a half hour that's when they start freaking
out and then my hearing is not the best because
I'm a drummer, and you know drumming, you know, you know.
So my buddy that I was researching with that night
and this lady, they say, someone's walking up the path.

(33:00):
Now it's about three thirty in the morning, so really
we're thinking who would be walking down the pathway and
part of the pathways gravel, so they heard this person
crunch crunching the gravel. I didn't hear it, to be honest,
but I heard the tree shake because all of a
sudden they said, oh, it stopped walking, and we're thinking,
who else is back here? Like it's bad enough, this

(33:21):
lady's back here. We thought this was a quiet area.
What's going on now? All of a sudden it's a
Grand Central station. So the dogs are freaking out. Something
shakes a huge tree. We went looked at the tree.
Later we were maybe one hundred feet away from the tree.
The tree shook like it was like a vine, like
it was a sunflower, like you were me just grabbing

(33:43):
a sunflower, just shaking the plant. It was insane and
it made a huge noise too, and we're thinking, what
is going on here? So we could only deduce that
there may very well be sasquatch in that area, maybe
passing through, because she told us some other stories too
that rang true with sasquatch activity, at least what we

(34:03):
perceive as sasquatch activity. And then whatever it was after
shook the heck out of that tree, it proceeded to
sort of like walk around on the perimeter of the
parking lot, out of sight. And at the time I
didn't I didn't. I'm trying to think I didn't have
a thermal then, or if I did, I maybe I yeah,

(34:24):
you know what I had. I don't think I had
the thermal because that was the first incident that happened
in that area. That's why I started going there to
do the food drop and researching. So I did acquire
a thermal eventually, So that's why I said, you know,
I had my thermal when this thing bluff charged me.
But before that was when the tree shook. The tree
shake happened, and this lady told these stories. So there's

(34:46):
been a lot of stuff happened over the years, but again,
nothing that I can conclusively say without a shadow of
a doubt is sasquatch related. Isn't that the same with
everyone though.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Yeah, that's kind of that's how they roll.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
Man.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
Nothing you can quite take to the bank, but a
lot of ifs and maybes.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
Exactly, yeah, exactly what happened to me as far as
I may have seen. One was again in British Columbia,
and it was on another expedition, different year, and we
were walking down these old service roads as they call
them out there. They're quite wide and they taper off
at the sides for drainage, and there's all these I'm

(35:23):
trying to remember if it's salmon berry's or huckleberries. I
don't remember that. They're huge berry brambles or berry bushes
that are easily easily up to ten feet like they
grow really tall, and they're they're pretty gnarly. To get
through those would not be fun. They're very gnarly. And
so we're surrounded by these on both sides as we're

(35:43):
walking on this dirt, gravelly road and I've got my
handicam ready to go. It's ready to go in case whatever,
in case anything happens, it's always recording. And we come
around a turn and all of a sudden, I catch
something out of the corner of my eye on the
left side. It's just like a like a ball of
not a ball, but just it looked like a shoulder,

(36:06):
like like either a bear or a person standing covered
in hair. And it just literally went through those brambles
like it was slicing butter, like warm butter, just cutting
through it. It just literally parted the brambles. You could
see them parting as it went through, almost like it
swam through. And I'm thinking that's really weird because a
bear would be much lower to the ground. And remember

(36:29):
the road tapers off, so it was even lower than
road level. So I'm estimating whatever it was was standing
really tall, certainly taller than me standing on a raised road,
but I don't know what it was. And we heard
it crunching around beyond the brambles because we realized after
because we got on a higher elevation, we could see
there was a clearing in the middle of those brambles.

(36:51):
So whatever it was proceeded to crunch around in this
sort of clearing, which was you know, dead grass, so
you can hear crunching. Again. Don't what it was, but
the thing is, by the time I got my video
cameras swung around, it was already through the brambles, or
at least in the brambles, but you could see the brambles.
They were partying like it was swimming through water. It
was weird. That was broad daylight, probably around lunchtime, so

(37:15):
I don't know what it was. We were the only
ones around there as far as I know. If it
was a person, they were braver than I would be
going through brambles.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Very interesting, Very interesting. You still get out as much
as I used to, or have you tied up with
other stuff?

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Well, you know, I'm as I mentioned earlier, there's one thing,
and only one thing I fear in the woods, and
that is deer ticks. So we have a huge problem
in Ontario with ticks. And I have stayed away for
the most part from going out in the woods. Occasionally
here and there, but not like I used to do.
I used to go every weekend without fail. In summertime.

(37:50):
I was quite a bit. Fall time, I would make
it work with my work schedule and go out as
much as I could. Go to Pennsylvania, go to New
York State a lot. In Ontario, of course, go back
to BC. But no in the past, I'd say three
or four years I've been pretty much dedicated to the
Sasquatch archives and archiving because nothing's going to bite me

(38:11):
if I'm sitting behind my computer.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
We'll be right back after these messages. And also, that's
that's serious, important work that you're doing as well. Why
don't you tell us how that started and what direction
you've been taking it so far?

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Okay, So remember the call I made to John Green
back in ninety five, Sorry, yeah, ninety five, because I yeah,
I don't want to confuse it with calling Renee to
Hindon in ninety seven. So ninety five was when I
kind of thought maybe I could make a connection with
John Green, but I chickened out, but it stayed in
the back of my mind. I've got to connect with

(38:56):
this guy because he's got so much information, so much
history there. But I just really I just felt like
I was imposing on him. So I just kind of
let it go and I started working on a book
series on researchers, and I'm sure I contacted everyone, including
Cliff and Bobo and Matt about this book I was

(39:18):
working on, and it dates back like twelve thirteen years ago,
and I was going to write books, comprehensive books all
about researchers, sasquatch researchers, and I did a lot of
research on that. And John Green, of course, was one
of the people I reached out to because I knew
he had so much information and there were a bunch
of names that were coming up. I couldn't find any

(39:39):
information on them, so I would just reach out to John.
I would email him, say, hey, John, sorry to bug you,
but do you have any information on say John Furman?
And he goes, yeah, I've got a whole file on
John Furman. I said, oh, okay, I hate to bug you,
but are you able to tell me when he died
or And finally he got tired of me asking him questions.

(40:02):
He said, just come out, just come out and go
through my files, because you know, to do the research properly.
Just come out and go through my files. So I
took that as an invitation, and so I made it happen.
I got some time, saved up some funds, and I
flew out. You have to realize Toronto is a good
five hour flight from Vancouver. Then there's a drive from

(40:26):
Vancouver to. He was living in Agacy at the time,
which is very near Arizon Hot Springs. He was living
in a retirement home or community. So I took him
up on the offer, and it was originally going to
be I think for four days. That's all I could do. Now.
I didn't say anything to him about you know, hey,
can I scan anything? But I brought a hand scanner

(40:50):
and they're not the easiest things to use. But I
really took some pens and some notepaper just to write notes,
to go through his files and just get dates and
get names and just see what's in his files.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
What o their files? Do you have besides John Greens?
You have the researchers files.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
As a matter of fact, aside from John Green. Yes,
Chris Murphy graciously handed over a bunch of materials to
me and with what he had was the John Furman files.
Not many people know John Furman. He flew under the radar,
but he, in my opinion, was the glue between many

(41:27):
many researchers way back from the early sixties onward until
his untimely death in the late eighties. So the John
Furman collection is amazing because he kept original newspaper articles
he kept. He was at the nineteen seventy eight UBC conference,

(41:49):
the first Bigfoot Conference formal conference. He kept materials from that.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
Was he that top in belling him?

Speaker 1 (41:57):
No, he was a postal carrier in Seattle, Oh Okay.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
And and and Murphy Chris Murphy does talk about him
in his Sasquatch in British Columbia book and that was
the first time I had heard of Furman. He continues
to be a mystery because no one knows really how
he died. He was a incredible violinist and there's a

(42:25):
video up on my my YouTube channel, the Sasquatch Archives,
that features him and shows some footage of him playing
violin and he was really really fiddle I guess, uh
same same instrument, but you know he was playing more
fiddle music. Just incredible world class uh fiddle player. But
he uh he he just collected everything, and he was

(42:47):
in contact with everybody and he and he really didn't
take sides with anyone, so he was able to you know,
converse with Burn and de Hinden and Green and Krantz
and and unlike you know, Green to Hinton had their
moments and of course Burn and tipmas had their moments,
and Burn and Green and burned to Hint and had
all their moments, and they did communicate for for a

(43:08):
long time. But Furman communicate with everyone. So what he
has is a treasure trove. Initially his files went to
Grover Krantz. Then Krantz said, I don't know what to
do with this, so he gave him to Green. Green
said I don't know what to do with this, so
he gave him to Murphy, and Murphy organized it quite nicely,
and then when he kind of retired, he said, Todd,

(43:30):
I would love for you to have this. And I
read through every one of his letters, and there's hundreds,
and I summarized all the letters, and then I summarized it,
cataloged them all by date, and then I also did
the indexing of them. So if he mentions the word
trail like trail BC, I would index that. Took a

(43:51):
lot of time. I did the same thing with Green's files.
But yeah, so I've got Furman's, Murphy's Greens, and I've
got a couple other researchers who wish to remain anonymous.
They don't want it known that their files are not
in their possession. So I have to respect the privacy
and their wishes to remain anonymous. And then I'm getting

(44:12):
stuff here and there. Jamie Wayne sent me some stuff,
Blaine Mathis sent me some stuff, and others too. So
I'm grateful for anything that anyone sends me because I'll
put it up on YouTube eventually.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
What percent have you published and how much have you
gone through? Have you gone through luck that you haven't
published it that's all categorized and organized, or like, how
much work do you have left? Because you've done so
much already?

Speaker 1 (44:34):
The work with Greens, specifically Green's file, it's the largest.
There's literally nine thousand, just shy of nine thousand files.
That means individual papers that were scanned, or photos or
negatives or slides that were scanned, So just under nine thousand.
It's eighty nine hundred and something and then something like

(44:54):
I divided it into five hundred just again, just under
five hundred file folders. That stuff took me three years,
three solid years nightly and I'm not exaggerating nightly at
minimum three hours a night weekends was double that to
read through every single letter, to summarize the letter, and
then to index it. So the index alone it's insane. Now,

(45:19):
these are letters, and the vast majority of people couldn't
care less, could care less about the letters. It's boring stuff.
For me, it's it's wow. It's something that I love
to read. I love the history, and I'm sure you
guys do too. But the average person could care less.

(45:40):
And I can see that on the channel. They want
the sensationalistic stuff, they want the controversial stuff. They don't
want the here's a letter from nineteen thirty eight that JW.
Burns wrote. They don't want that stuff. It's the nerds
like us that like that stuff. So I've only put
a very small portion of John Green, and I mean

(46:00):
less than half a percent of John Green's maybe even
less than than like point zero zero one percent of
Green's letters on YouTube. I've only put some of the
ones that weren't available. Realize that some of the burn stuff,
the de hind and stuff, the crant stuff, it's been
put out before some of it, at least the main

(46:21):
pages or letters. Rather that people are most interested in
things that were during the crucial years, like the nineteen
to fifty eight years. Of course, the sixty sixty one,
the Pacific Northwest expedition years and then sixty seven what
was available concerning the Patterson Giblin film and the Ivan
Mark stuff in sixty nine to seventy. That's what people

(46:42):
really want it because that's the stuff that gets all
the attention, and the Ausman stuff in the Row stuff.
People have seen the affidavits, they've seen all that stuff.
So but eventually, you know, hopefully all of it will
get out there somehow. YouTube seems to be right now
the safest way to do it where it won't get
pulled down. And you know, there's not a fee that

(47:03):
I have to pay to maintain a website. It's just
YouTube's not the best platform for reading files because you
have to pause it and go full screen. And when
I make the video, I have to make sure that
you know I'm showing the whole letter, and then if
the letter's oversized and I have to show sections. It's
a bit of work, but it's something for me. It's

(47:24):
a labor of love. But to answer your question a
thousand words or less, Bobo, I know you got to
go probably, But to answer your question very little. The
green stuff has made it up on the channel, but
there's a lot of TV shows that I got from
like Larry Lund and Gene Robinson. I just acquired fifteen

(47:44):
hundred plus podcasts dating back to the beginnings of podcasts,
stuff that's been lost forever. That thankfully Gene Robinson, if
you don't know that name, he's wonderful for archiving stuff.
He just didn't have a platform to release it, so
he passed it over to me, and so I'm making
that available. You may have seen the Bobby Short interview

(48:06):
that I posted recently, and there's much more to come.
Some of it I can't because of copyright issues and
things like that, but I hope to make as much
public as I can.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
You're doing the large work. Todd.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
Thanks Bobo.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
Thanks, I gotta take off you guys, Gota, I gotta
take off. I gotta go meet the film Kurk for
that documentary. I'm running late, but Todd, it was awesome.
We were so start to get you on because Cliff, I,
Matt and a bunch of our buddies are huge fans
of that page. You're I mean, you're just selfless. The
amount of labor and time you put into it, it's
unbelievable and I just want to thank you from the

(48:41):
bottom of my heart. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Well, thank you, Bobo, thank you so much. I can't
take much credit because without people donating stuff or making
it available, there will really be nothing for me to present.
So I have to thank the all those people who
have contributed and been gracious with sharing that stuff.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Out av sure center donation into that channel, you.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Know, I appreciate that, but don't worry about that. You know,
I do it out of love. So it's all good, All.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Right, Bobs, it's a shame. You gotta get going, man.
We've got to have Todd back on at some point.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
I think I was. I said that was a great
part one, because they're gonna be about a five part
series on this thing. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (49:17):
I mean, he's a treasure trove of information and stuff,
and Todd, thank you so much for sparing a little
time for Cliff and bobes. We really really appreciate it,
and people need to listen to this. What you're doing
out there, the Sasquatch Archives channel on YouTube is like
probably top of the heap as far as historical, accurate,
cool nerdy Bigfoot information. The Sasquatch Archives. You got to

(49:38):
check it out, and thank you DoD for doing it.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Thank you, guys. I enjoyed my time here and I
appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
Yeah, thank you. We're going to have you back on
soon Todd. And by the way, there's nothing nerdy about this.
It's damn cool. Thanks well, folks. That was the first
part of our multi part installment of Todd Prescott, the
curator of the Sasquatch Archives on YouTube. You got check
it out. It's awesome and Cliff I gotta get running.
But until next week, all you people out there, and

(50:05):
thanks for tuning in and keep it squatchy.

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