Ep. 223 - The Port Chatham Hairy Man!

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sort of thing. Got some stuffin the mail today. I thought that
was kind of neat if I wouldjust start with that from Scrappy Remnants,
which is a website, and it'slike, that's really an Etsy sort of
thing more than anything, but awonderful patches for Bobo and I. Scrappy
Remnants dot com is where you canget these things. It's a bigfoot patch.
And of course I got a quicknote from Esther who is the owner

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of this. So anyway, thankyou Esther and Scrappy Remnants and all you
folks over there. We really appreciateit. Feel free to bestow us with
gifts, shower us with your love. You can always send it to I
guess you can probably send it tomy PO box We'll get it that way.
Po Box twenty twelve, Sandy Organnineteen seven zero two two. Other

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than that, I just got backfrom Ohio. I was down in Logan,
Ohio for the Hawking Hills Bigfoot Festival. This is the second year that
this gig has been going on.Last year eleven thousand people showed up to
it, so and this year waseven bigger. I haven't gotten the official
numbers, but I don't know afew million were there. It felt like

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it's probably not that high, butthat's what it felt like to me.
At least it was a larger venue. I think they closed down another block
or two this time. Logan's atiny town and Bigfoot Bigfoot weirdos took over
the whole thing. It was great. I was awash in a sea of
Bigfoot aficionados for the entire weekend.It was a Friday and Saturday event.
The organizers did a great job.I mean b Mills is the brains of

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the operation, but there are alot of other people helping behind the scenes.
Suzanne and Jorge, I mean,just so many people might so many
people were there helping out. Greatspeakers were there, great times, great
friends, The Hawking Hills Bigfood Festivalwas fantastic. I recommend everybody go if
they do it again next year.So anyway, let's go to our guests.
Because I've been actually trying to getthis guy on the show for quite

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a while. I started running acrossthis guy last year at some point.
I don't think we've known each othervery long, but we kind of hit
it off. We're good friends atthis point. I did a conference that
he organized his past this past springor summer or something earlier in the year
anyway, and he has a lifetimeworth of adventure to share. You know,
he's a film producer, he's anadventurer in general, he's an organize,

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he's he's a lot of different things, but more than anything, he
is Stephen Majors. So, Stephen, thank you so much for coming on
the podcast. And I'm so happywe can finally get you on. And
I'm sorry for Bobo's absence. Nota problem, man, I'm just grateful
to be on the show. Andand thank you for that wonderful intro.
Man, that's the best I evergot. You covered the best. Oh
Man, you need to do morepodcasts, because I thought it was pretty
mediocre. You know well anyway,So, yeah, you've had basically a

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lifetime of kind of circling around theBigfoot, the Bigfoot subject in some way
or another. And I know thatit started up in coastal British Columbia back
in the day. How did Bigfootget on your radar? What you said
they were was really good? Ihad, I really had. I had
a very interesting father, and Ihad a very interesting childhood because he was

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a really adventurous guy too, andhe kind of that kind of emulated in
me and some of my siblings aswell. But one of the fortunate things
that relate to Bigfoot here is inI was born in the Kellog, Idaho,
so northern Idaho. That's where Iraised until nineteen seventy six. And

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my father comes home and he says, Hey, here's a deal. We're
moving to this wonderful, beautiful place. It's heaven on Earth. It's called
Jennie Bay. It's located on thenorthern coast of BC, out in the
bush across from Port Hardy, wherehe had actually lived and worked at logging
camps in various places in the nineteenforties and fifties. And we're like,

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oh, wow, you know,and he's a really beautiful sketch artist,
and he would sketch all these photosabout this is what it looks like and
blah blah, blah blah. Youknow what, I'm like, twelve or
ten or whatever, you know whatI'm saying. And so anyways, subsequently
he moved us. School got out, he packed us up, and we
all moved to this little place calledJennie Bay out there on the coast.

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And it was a real adventure because, you know, here we are and
we're young, and we drive toSeattle and then we get on a float
plane and then we fly for threeand a half hours, just you know,
up the coast, and we finallywe land in this in this little
bay. I always remember the daywe came in there. It was gray
and overcast and you know, justkind of typical BC weather, I guess.

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And we land in the land inthis little little bay called Jennie Bay.
And what was there was an abandonedlogging camp that was closed down in
the fifties and it was like atown. There were twenty seven buildings there,
homes and jobs and blah blah blahthat had been completely abandoned and left
to itself for all those years.He moved us up there, and one
of the things that we we cameto know about it after we had been

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there for a little bit is mydad had actually grown up with a chief
of the Indian village that was downthere in Hopetown village was just down the
inlet from us, and so hewas good friends with them, and when
we had moved there, we hadsome associations with them, and the rules
were kind of set down. Itwas like a welcome thing, you know,
welcome, you know, children ofJerry Major blah blah, that kind

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of thing to the area and niceto me. Now here are some ground
rules for living in the area.One of the ground rules was we were
free to travel anywhere that we wantedto around the lakes and the inlet.
How however, there was a specificarea that is just northwest of the end

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of the Hopetown village and it waslike, you can go anywhere, but
see those mountains up there. Youdo not go up there. That is
a sake. That's those are sacredgrounds. You stay out of there.
Don't go out there because if youdo, you're going to run into trouble
because there is a guardian. Theguardian will get you and and it turned
out the guardian was doing a quarsasquatch and so you stay out all those

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areas and welcome to well, youknow, welcome to BC and have a
good time. And that was aboutit. But that was my first introduction
with sasquats. And we learned moreabout it, but it really didn't stick
with me, you know what I'msaying. We're like, oh, that's
kind of cool and stuff and andbut it really didn't bother us all that
much. However, that was innineteen seventy six, and so every now
and then you would you would heara few things, but we didn't take

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it serious. And I was like, Dad, well is there a sasquatch
around here? Yeah? There is, but here you know, they won't
mess with you. You don't messwith them. Don't worry about that.
And we went about our business.And then in nineteen fast forward three years,
so it's nineteen seventy nine, soI'm about fifteen years old, and
beyond Gennis Bay there's a lake.It's called Who Asked Lake, and it's

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about thirteen miles long, and wewere up working on the lake. There
we'd do log salvage on the lake. And one afternoon my dad pulls into
this little bay and we're gonna havesome lunch. He gets off the boat
and a few moments later he comesrunning back all excited at everything. It's
like, you gotta come over here. Look what we found. You know,
look what I found. Look whatI found. So me and the
other guy we get off the boatand we walk along the beach there and

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there's a little sandy area where astream had come down, kind of like
a draft, had a stream runningdown through it, and a little sandy
beach area. And we're like,he goes, comm here, comm here,
you gotta look at this. Weget over there and he goes,
he points down, he goes,look at that, and I'm like what.
He goes, big foot. Andwhat was in the little sandy area
There was, you know, somehuge footprint. You could see where this

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thing had come down the hill.It had walked around on the sandy beach
area, and then it turned aroundand gone back up the side of the
straw. And I'm like, holycrap, and we're like, look at
them. He goes, I toldyou a big foot. And I remember
we measure the tracks. They werelike sixteen or eighteen inches, but they
were flipping huge, and it's likethat. It started to become real for

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me at that point. And thenhe said, well, let's follow him.
And so what we did is wefollowed him up the drawing. You
could see where the thing was camedown, and then when it went back
up the draw which was on theedge of this little stream that came through
there, and we're following up thehill and it's going boom boom boom,
and here are these huge, bigtracks. And then about I don't know,
maybe seventy five yards up the hill, it plateaued for a little bit

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and then there was a little littlepool where the stream had come down and
it was hit boolled there. Andwhen you got up to that little plateau
and you could see where it stoppedand it hit gotten down. We believe
it got down on its knees,and there was two huge handprints like it
had gotten down, you know,on its knees, and put one hand

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down here, one down here,and we presume it got a drink of
water. And it was like,holy smoked man that the hands were absolutely
just huge. And then it kindof got up, or well, we're
assuming he got up. And thenwe followed the tracks farther up the side
of the hill, probably about anotherseventy five hundred yards, and they stopped

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at a rock cliff. We lostthem. One of the things that was
significant about this when we're going upthe hill, when we're walking up that
draw, about every so often therewould be about six or seven feet up
on an alder tree, these greenalder trees. They were broken over,
twisted and broken over all to theleft, all to the same side as

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you're going up the hill, probablyabout you know, every twenty five thirty
feet, And I'm like, whatdoes My daddy said, the tracks and
all this stuff is crazy, butwhat is that all about? You could
see a line of them going upthe hill, and he said, that's
how a sasqu watch marks it's territory. And they're all going the same direction.
I wonder what that what that's?Yeah, going the same direction like
a line, like a picket linegoing up the hill. Okay, I

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said, thinking, if they're allto the left, I wonder if that
shines some sort of light on lefthandedness or right handedness of the of these
animals. Because studies have been doneon other other apes species about that same
thing. Yeah, and I alwaysregret to you know, this was in
nineteen seventy nine, so we didn'thave cell phones, you know, we
didn't have a movie camera with us. It was just something that we stumbled
across, you know, stumbled acrosson that. But man, if you

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know, I regret to the youknow, it's one of those things where
if I would have had some plasteric, you know, even thought of these
things like plaster casting, you knowall of that. I mean, you
had a perfect storm. Yet wehad hand prints, we had knee prints,
we had you know, footprints,and we had this you know,
this perfect line of tree brakes goingall the way up this hill. Yeah,
that's fan plastic. A fine likethat today would would just spread like

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wildfire through the Bigfoot community. That'ssomething as important as that. Yeah,
it dude, it was. Andthat made Bigfoot reel for me. And
after that, I was nervous thewhole time that I was up there,
you know. But what was significantabout that as well is where we were,
where we were at on that lakewas very close to the area where

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they said don't go and did youput two and two together at that time
or is that just ye okay?No, I did, I dude,
I did, because we were goingand I was like, oh my god,
and I realized where we were,and then I became more conscious of
this is real, Sasquatch is here. And there was something else that happened

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the following year, the following summerthat even made things more true to me.
The following summer, down on thateast end of the lake, there
was a logging crew and they wouldblog. They were logging this big area
we are camp are blogging place wason the left end. They were all
the way down on the east end. Well they were, they were.

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Their camp was actually even closer tothe area where you're not supposed to go.
But they weren't logging in that area. They were logging an area that
was just to the south of it, but they were very very close to
it. They had to log incamp there and they had about eighteen twenty
people and stuff and they were workingand we would have some interactions with them.
Well, there was a guy thatwas working at that camp that my

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dad had known since you know,since they are youth, you know,
since he was a teenager. Upthere on the coast, and he was
kind of an interesting guy and whatnot. But for some reason, and we
don't know why, maybe just tobe opportunistic or something like that. There
was I guess during the time aswell, there was a big market for

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like first nations, you know,artifacts like old trinkets or old jewels or
things of that nature or something likethat, as I recall something like that.
But for some reason he felt motivatedto actually trespass on that ground that
you were supposed to stay away fromin search of some trinkets or something that

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may have value. So we're backat Janice Bay and we're back and it's
like, I don't know, it'slike one thirty, twelve thirty or whatever.
And back in the day, youdidn't have telephones up there. We're
on the middle of over. Yougot radio phones. That's what you got.
You got radio phones. And it'syou know, it's like I'm sleeping
and everybody's in bed, and allof a sudden, the radio phone starts

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crackling and you hear, you know, calling out five m O seven eight
five seven eight, Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, are you there? Pick
up? Pick up? Pick up? Pick up? Pick up and this
frantic guy, this guy is justabsolutely frantic on the radio phone. He
said, Jerry, pick up up. You know, you know when you
always have your radios on in casesan emergency, right, So it's like,
oh, man, get you know, I gotta get up, and
what's going on? What's going on? And my dad gets on the radio

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phone and he goes, he goes, yeah, it's just what's what's going
on? Is that use Jerry,Jerry, you gotta come and get us.
You gotta come, help us,help us, you gotta come get
us. He's like, well,what's going on. He goes, you
gotta get up to the camp.You got to get us right away.
And you can hear his wife inthe background, the guy that's on the
radio phone. You can hear hiswife in the background screaming, and she

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goes, is he looking in thewindow? It's at the window. It's
at the window. And they're justas absolute terror. He goes, you
gotta come and get us. Somy Dad's like, well, hold on,
man, I'll get there. Sohere it is mid of night and
my dad's got to get up.He gets in the truck. He's got
to drive five miles up this dirtroad. He's got to get in his
boat and he has to go anotherten miles down the lake to get him,
and my dad most fearless man Iever known, he did it.

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I mean he did it. Andhe goes down to goes down there.
In the middle of night, hegets him, and about I don't know,
it's probably about three or four hourslater, just before light. He
comes back to the house and hehas up there and I'm just watching these
people and there's all this commotion.They're just crazy and they're screaming, and
she goes, it was gonna getus, what's gonna get us? Blah
blah blah blah, and he's likehe sits him down, and he goes,

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I told you not to go there. You just you went there,
didn't you. And he goes,yeah, yeah, I did. I
had to go there. And hegoes, what did you take? What
did you take? He goes,I just got a few things. I
just got a few things. Andhe says, give me everything that you
have, and he gave the stuffto my dad and my dad said I'll
be back later. And he lefthim there and he went all the way

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back up there and he put thestuff back. But when things calmed down,
and what had happened is he hadtresped. He went up into the
area where he wasn't supposed to go. He absconded with some trinkets and whatever
you know that were left in thebar, you know, in the burial
stuff up there. I did alittle grain robbing and then yeah, he

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did. But man, and whathappened is he got back to the float
camp and the crew had gone into town and they would do that on
the weekends. They had gone totown, so it was just him and
his wife once they got back.He got back, she can't go with
him. He got back and assoon as they started to get dark,
they started here and he's hopped hishowling, just whaling right, and it

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kept getting closer and closer and neverget a little bit spook. And then
it got it came down and thenthey heard pounding and thumping. It got
on the float houses, you know, float houses. They didn't live on
land. You have the float house, you know, you make a platform,
you build a house on right flowcamps. And it got on there
and it was haullern and beaten onthe side of the cabin and it was

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just terrorizing the whole yell out ofthem. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and
Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'llbe right back after these messages. Did
you ever go to this area whereyou're not supposed to go? No?
No, because because you're you're ayoung man, I mean, and that's

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that's if. I mean, I'dprobably do it now, But as a
young man, I would certainly gowherever I wasn't supposed to go. I
didn't because you know, I respectmy elders, you know what I'm saying.
And it's like, dude, thisis their land, it's not mine.
I don't you know when we werekind of taught that kind of stuff.
But you can go there on thewater and you can look. I
mean, you know what I'm saying. And I'm going to throw this out

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here today and somebody is going tobe extremely upset. But I wanted to
get some of this stout here andon the ocean side of this, if
you want to stand and look andface up at the area where all of
this where of this accord, it'scalled Clayton Bay. It's right across you
know, Hopetown. Watson Island andWatson Island is where Hopetown, Indian Village

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was, and today it's pretty muchabandon When I was there, there's like
three four hundred people there. Man, it was like, you know,
a huge Indian village, but todaythere's just a lodge house there. But
that area where this occurred, thesaltwater side of it, would basically be
what's called Clayton Bay, which isright across the little inlet there, and
you can go there today, andpeople do go there today. I totally

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diet, like you're respecting the areas, staying out of it and all that
sort of stuff, But I woulddefinitely want to look at it or get
close to it to find out whatkind of thing is guarding it's But I
guess if everybody knew it was asassquatch, maybe that was enough to keep
people away. This area today andis recent is two thousand and eight.
There people have had encounters with somethingwhen they've been in that bay that's closest

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to that mountain area where you're notsupposed to go. There is something still
there, and I have to sharethis story with you real quickly. Fast
forward to two thousand and seventeen.I'm up on Vancouver Island and I'm you
know, and I've been coming upthere for half a year, and people
would, you know, people gotword that I was on the island and
I was doing this and who Iwas and all yes, during Majors kid

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blah blah blah, and he's uphere looking for sasquatch. Right, And
I kind of made my headquarters atas Campbell River, and so I people
would know I was at Campbell Riverand they would come down and they would,
you know, they would want Iwas looking for people to tell me
about recent encolendaries. You don't gatherintelligence are to go. So I'm at
a hotel in Campbell River and thisguy comes in and he says, man,

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I want to share something with you. And the guy is a was
a He drove water taxi and watertach. You know, you'd either go
up there. There's no roads,you get around by a boat or whatever.
You can hire a water taxi.And his job was to run people
back and forth by this particular areabecause there's always some logging or fisheries or

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thing that are going on an area. Right. It was one fall and
he dropped off a crew and hewas coming back and he was tired,
and he was like, man,and the weather was bad because it can
get pretty rough in there. Sohe's like, I'm gonna pull up.
I'm gonna pull in this little bayhere and I'm going to you know,
I'm going to anchor offshore and kindof have a nap and let the weather
pass right. So he pulls inthere and he said, yeah, I

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just you know, I put downmy anchor and I'm about you know,
how did yards offshore maybe or youknow, something like that, And I'm
tired. So he lays down andhe's just having his snooze and then all
of a sudden, he said,for some reason, he just woke up.
I mean, he just something madehim wake up. And he sat
up, and he's like, allof a sudden, man, his hair

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stand on the back of his neckand whatever, and he's just, all
of a sudden, he's extremely fearful. And he stood up and he looked
out the windshield the front window ofthe boat standing on. Well. First
of all, he said, thetide had gone out. Why he was
there a little bit, and sohe was closer to the beach than he

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wasn't all of a sudden half ofthe beach and say, he said,
it's probably only about fifty yards ofbeach, and standing on the beach is
this huge hairy bipetal beach. Hedidn't a bi petal. I mean,
he said, dude was just likethis huge, flipping hairy man and it's
standing on the beach and it's lookingat him, and it's pacing back and
forth, and it's jumping up anddown with his arms and it's going dude

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just roaring at him, and it'sit's like just like it's frustrated, and
he is trying to figure out howto get to his boat and it's gonna
kill him, and it's just anyways, and and this guy. I'm sitting
here and this guy is shaken man, and he could just he's white telling
me this story. So anyways,he's like, this thing gonna's gonna get
out here, and he's closer andall this stuff. So what he did,

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he said, he started his boatand just gunned it backwards, and
he's dragging his anchor and he gotfar enough out into some deeper water to
where he felt relatively comfortable that hereached over and he pulled in his anchor
and he just hauled ass out ofthere. And he said behind him.
He looked behind him, and thatthing would just pay you know what I'm
saying, like you see a crazygorilla when they would throw him a lot
good and he'd throw it around andthen he had paced it. You know

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what I'm saying. That was yeah, December twenty seventeen or twenty and eighteen,
and that's in this arius, soit's still there. You know.
That's something that I've seen over theyears is that places that once held sasquatches
do still hold sasquatches if the areahas not changed significantly. And when I
mean when I say change, whatI really mean by that is essentially paving.

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As long as you don't pave inareas or develop it, or to
start, you know, built toomany houses or something in the area,
the sasquatches are still going to bethere. And this is to an extreme
example. I was talking to Moneymakerone time and he was telling me that
he was running an expedition in Floridaand they ran into sasquatches, and upon

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further investigation and research, they foundthat there were reports in that same area,
literally in that same area from thelate eighteen hundreds. So if sasquatches
hang out in the same area,and that's also something that the more modern
data is yielding as well. Oneof our study areas at the North American
big Foot Center we are getting footprints, actually Boat two of our three of

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our areas, we're getting footprints andfinding sign like within just a few miles
and in some cases within just afew feet. Last August, I cast
a footprint, actually I cast aseries of footprints down off the clock Miss
River and uh and this past MayI found footprints within five feet of where

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I cast them the previous August.So and certainly in a larger area,
and you know, let's say afive or ten you know, mile area,
they're hanging out there because if they'rethey're they're once, that means there's
resources there. And if that areadoesn't change significantly, those resources are probably
still going to be there years,if not decades later. Here's a question

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I have for you. I've gotan area here unless I'm gonna use this
for example there that I just spoketo you about it. There Now,
I can continually go back up there, but I don't feel like I'm mueling
any result. You know what I'msaying, I don't. I'm not.
I'm kind of stumped after these allthese years of running up there to this

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picular area. But I'm comfortable therebecause I know the area and stuff like
that. But we here, wehave a particular area where historically, and
like you have as well, whatcan I do, in your opinion,
to take it to the next levelto where we could actually get something more
definitive. Well, let me askyou this, what have you been doing?
Well, what I've been doing isI've been doing the same same thing.

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That about the only thing I knowhow to do. You go out
to an area, you spend sometime there. Well, you go up
what I've been doing, identifying areawhere there's been ongoing and reoccurring sidings.
And my thought was, well,I'm going to go in an area where
there's that would yield me the highestlikelihood of having an encounter with a sasquatch,

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and this particular area, you know, it's one of those areas where
it seems that you've got something aggressiveit's continually there, and have a confrontation
that allows you to get the toget the definitive evidence that you need.
Rather than just get in hair sampleDNA and casting tracks. I guess right,
But have you been have you beencasting prince and getting DNA samples in
what? Or is that the nextlevel you're trying to get to? No,

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my next level is I guess mynext I've done that. I've done
those things, but other people aredoing those things. So I don't think
that I need to do those thingsbecause I think, I guess what I'm
beating around the question. I guesswhat my point is. What I think
is that we've reached a stage ina game here where we need a body.

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Yes, although are you aware ofthe DNA study that the new DNA
study this past sponsored by University inNorth Carolina. We had Derby or Cut
on our podcast I think just lastweek, and this seems to held a
great deal of hope for discovering thespeed or recognizing the species. So no,
no, actually I'm not. I'llhave to check that out. I'm
not familiar with that. Yeah,there's a new DNA study that holds a

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lot of promise, whereas I don't. I never really did feel the other
ones did. Once you know they'rethey're at the beginning, we're all hopeful,
but at the end of the day, it seems like the other ones
weren't quite what they were intended tobe. But this one seems Legit seems
to be on the up and up, and I'm putting my voice behind it
as best I can and trying togather samples so I don't know, so
our listeners, and also for youto even feel free to go back at

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last week and you can take alisten, because I think this might actually
be very promising. A body willbe needed, sure, a body will
be needed, but maybe, hopefullynot maybe this DNA thing can get it
done. I don't I don't stronglyadvocate for taking a body, even though
I do know those are the rules. I didn't write them, but those
are the rules for recognizing new species. It's just that I would be optimistic,

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perhaps one of these rare moments ofoptimism from Cliff, that that perhaps
we can get this done without takinga specimen. I don't. I'm not
sure that can happen, but ifthere's a chance, I'm willing to take
it, because I'm not going toshoot one. You know, I'm a
danger to myself and others if I'mcarrying around a huge I definitely wouldn't do
that either. I wasn't advocating that. Oh yeah yeah. But so hopefully

(27:47):
hopefully trace evidence something like body partslike hair or flesh samples or blood samples,
that would get it done. Ithink at this point according to Darby
orcat our guest last week and who'shitting this study. So I don't know,
I think that might be a goodgame changer. But how do you
get those things? Is, Iguess is the next question? Yeah?
Because what my what what I wantto do is I want to capture one

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capture would how would you do that? I think I think it's possible.
I think it's possible, given givengive if you can create a situation to
where it exposes itself in such away because you've enraged it so much that
it's going to try to kill youand then it's going to get entrapped.
Why basically a person is baited,I think you could do it. What

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would you do to make it somad? I don't know. I don't
know, you know, but I'min some people, a lot of people
in your listen, they're gonna laughat this, but you know where I'm
at in the game, right nowis I'm going to capture one. My
energy, My energy is going tobe my energy and resources is going is

(28:56):
going into developing, but creating afew possibilities on capturing one, I think
you could do it. Stay tunedfor more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Bogo. We'll be right back afterthese messages. No, no, would

(29:18):
would Capturing also entails a tranquilizing oneor something or because because I'm one of
the things that people ask me islike, whoa why not try to capture
one? And I've thought about it. I've spent some time thinking about it,
and like, how do you capturesomething that's twelve hundred pounds has a
strength of fifteen or twenty men andnot just weak men, because I have
the strength of ten men, butthey're very, very weak men like that

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fifteen or twenty like extraordinarily strong menall wrapped into one horrifying package. That's
pretty smart, you know, waysmarter than the bears, way smarter than
the bears. And a lot ofbears are smarter than the dumbest of tourists.
So like, how do you dothat? Like what is I mean,
clearly not a spike pit or somethinglike that or bear traps. They
don't work on this sort of thing. I've actually come I've I've actually been

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working with somebody and we've come upwith a number of entrapment devices. It
just may possibly work. But youknow what I was thinking is, Okay,
I described as scenario for you wherethat really occurred, where someone had
trespassed, had taken something they shouldn't. It tracked them, it was enraged,
and it came after them. Theyjust didn't know how to react to

(30:29):
it. So they call my dadto come save them. Now, let's
say you could recreate, recreate thatkind of scenario, but without the sasquatch
knowing that you're going to try toget them. So you would have to
have it sounds like, in thisparticular, like this specific scenario, you
would have to get like tribal permission. Oh absolutely, absolutely, absolutely,

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yes, Yeah, I mean that'sa given. Well, yeah, that's
a given that I think that alonewould be tough. But I mean,
I don't want to the poop onyour parade or anything. I'm just I'm
just I'm thinking out loud with you. Think of me as troubles shooting,
not shooting down your idea by theway. No, and that's good because
I'm just I'm throwing this stuff outbecause I'm frustrated with what I've been doing

(31:10):
for the last five years. Youknow what I'm saying, I don't really
care. You know, It's it'stime. Okay. How many more track
castings do I personally want? Youknow? And I'm speaking for me because
I'm not you know, I say, well, yeah, I do bigfoot
research, but really I don't.I mean, maybe I do, but
really, my whole goal as I'mhunting, I'm going you know, I'm

(31:30):
hunting Sasquatch. I'm hunting him.I want to catch up with him.
I want to have a serious encounterwith the guy. You know, I
want to figure you know that.That's really what I'm after is chasing down
interactions and encounters with Sasquatch. Andthat's why I focus on the areas that
I have, especially on the PCCoast and going into Port chadam, Alaska.

(31:52):
Like Port chadam, Alaska, thereason we went there is it was
a high likelihood of a serious confrontationbased on Lauren Edge and historical stuff.
Oh yeah, well, you know, let's talk about Port Chattam a little
bit, so give us a littlebackground on Port Chattam for our listeners who
may not know that much about it, and then tell us about your role
in well in putting it back onthe map, so to speak, for

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those of them may be unaware.Port Chattam, Alaska, is on the
northern tip of the Kenai Peninsula,the end of the Kenai Peninsula catch Macbay.
It is very remote, but it'sessentially forty five miles by boat down
Catchmcbay from Homer, Alaska, andit was in seventeen eighty six Nathaniel Port
Luckey's a British guy explorer. Theyfound it a little like fur trading posts

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there or whatever, and then itgrew into a fishing village, and then
it grew into a canary and hada huge cannery there that they had built.
And so it went from fur tradingto salmon processing, cannery stuff,
and it ran up until essentially nineteenfifty. But over that time I am

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starting in like the I think thefirst death occurred, and recorded death occurred
somewhere around you know, between nineteenten and nineteen twenty. But legend has
it that they have a creature inthe area there that's called the Nantanock,
which is essentially their version of asasquatch. Nansenock means like Harryman or Harry
Beast or something like that. Whilelong and the short of it is that

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the town was eventually after a numberof mysterious deaths, people being ripped apart,
disappearing, finding body parts, youknow, stuff, get people just
getting ripped to shreds when they goout. That people were afraid, the
natives were afraid, who were primarilythe ones that worked in the cannery.
So they completely closed the place andeverybody abandoned it in nineteen fifty and no

(33:43):
one ever went back. And it'sprobably the most horrific story related to,
you know, a Sasquatch type ofdeal ever, because there was so many
factual, factual basis for it.There. You can find reports that people
were killed under mister circumstances, peoplewent missing, There was a lot of
documentation. They even had information thatwas taken out of the cannery manager's log

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where you know, certain dates thisapp and blah blah blah stuff like that.
So anyway, so the town wasessentially abandoned in nineteen fifty. People
say the postmaster was the last guyto leave or whatever. But they abandoned
the town and they moved moved outof there up a bit, and so
the place was like bad medacine,man. I mean the story. People
will talk about it for seventy years. Everybody's talking about this story, about

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this evil place, and then peopledid shows about it and all that.
But no one, no one everwent out there. They were afraid.
So I'm on Vancouver Island line ofmy own business, doing my sasquatch stuff
up there, you know, andI get an email from a guy and
he says, hey, man,you ever hear the story of Port Chataw,
Alaska. You ought to go checkthis out. And that was in
two thousand and you know, beginningto two thousand and eighteen. And I

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was absolutely fascinated by the story,absolutely fascinated in the fact that no one
had been there. So I starteddoing all this research and decided that,
man, this sounds like the perfectplace to go, a perfect place to
go, because you evidently have somethingthere that chase people away. It's aggressive,
the likelihood of having a serious encounteris off the chart. So I

(35:14):
gotta go. I gotta go.But it took me about you know,
once I put the plan in motion, it took me about six seven months
just to get permission to go inthere. And why is that? Like?
What what kind of like permission didyou need? You don't I want?
As soon as I found out thatit was the land was owned by
own owned by one of the nativetribes. And yeah, and secondly,

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it is a Native historical site,which is another thing. So I wanted
to make sure that, you know, I'm not going on somebody's land without
their permission and whatnot. And butdude, let me tell you, it
took six months to figure out tofinally get in contact with with those people
an authority that would allow me togo out there. And here's an interesting

(35:58):
fact about it too. Once peoplein the area that had relatives that had
grown up in Port Chattam, Alaska, you know, before it was abandoned,
there were some people that I thinkthere's even might be a couple maybe
that are still alive, that actuallywere children there. But I started getting
flooded with calls and emails from peoplesaying, don't go there. You go

(36:22):
there, you're gonna die, It'scursed, it's an evil place. Stay
away from there. And then Ieven got a few threats of my life
if I did decide to go there. I mean, dude, it was
terrible and it was like holy smokersman. And it's like people were they
were just terra petrified. They didn'twant anybody going there because they thought that

(36:43):
it might rekindle the n Antinock.I mean, I got some weird phone
calls and I got a lot ofemails to that regard. But I also
was able to talk with some peoplethat gave me realistically, you know,
what it was like and what's goingthere. So anyway, so we got
permission to go in there, andthat's where Adam Davis comes in. Oh
yeah, yeah. Adam's of coursea great friend of ours and ours being

(37:05):
everybody, but he's also been onthe podcast before. He and just love
the guy. Love the guy tobits, you know. So I wasn't
going to go in there. Iwasn't going to go in there by myself.
So I'll say, okay, well, now I got to start thinking
about who I want to go with, right And you know, this was
before things really started rolling. Itwas it was very fortuitous. I met

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met Adam up up in Campbell River. It was kind of a weird He
just happened to be up there.He was somebody else that I knew,
and he put us together and Isaid, hey, man, I said,
this is all great and dandy hereon Vancouver, but let me tell
you about Port Lock, Alaska.Would you like to go? Yeah?
I think Adams didn't know anything likethat. Oh dude, I remember He's
like, bloody hell, yes,you know that kind of thing. But

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then we cut, you know,we put things together from there, and
uh man, the June that followingJune, we we went and we thought,
well, we're just flying to Homer. Man, we'll charter a boat
and we'll go out there, right. And well we get we get to
Homer and it's like we're trying tofind somebody to take us out there.
No one wanted to take us outthere. So everyone knew where it was,

(38:14):
but no one was willing to doit. They were not willing to
do it. And people said,if you go out there, you're gonna
die. You don't want to goout there, and I don't want to
go out there with you, andblah blah blah blah blah. And I'm
like, oh, man, okay, well I guess the both things out.
So then I start calling, youknow, like a helicopter and all
these charter planes. Right, well, I guess we'll fly out there.
We'll go with Plan B. Nobodyeven wanted to fly us out there.

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And through some weird circumstances at thesitting at the bar at the Salty Dog,
somebody over heres talking and a gentlemansays, well, I'll take you
out there. It's like a movieor something like yeah seriously, because we
were just, we were just andhe was like he was a wild man.
He's like, yeah, I'll takeyou out there. So anyways,

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and so rate so we worked outa deal with him, and the next
morning we got up early and droveus out to you know, took us
out there, and man, it'sforty two miles. Doesn't seem that long,
but I bought you know, it'slike two hours. Oh that's forever
on a boat. Yeah, yeah, because if you're doing ten or fifteen
knots per hour on the water,you're going pretty fast. Yeah. So

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anyways, and so man, we'rejust, you know, and we're nervous
too. Don't get me wrong,I'm nervous too, because we don't know
what to expect. But dude wentfor us to go out there, to
me in the Bigfoot resource world orwhatever I mean for me or whatever I
can understand. I kind of couldrelate to what those guys felt like the
first of Pollo mission that landed onthe Moon. I mean, to me,

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it was like that, because herewe are, We're going to a
place if just people have been sopetrified to this place. No one's gone
out here for seventy flipping years,you know, and all this, and
here we are, and we're goingto be the first, you know.
And so anyway, so he takesus out. You know, we take
our boat right out there, andI just remember it was in June and
it was near the summer solstice,and we do whether we got logistic,

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I mean, it was exquisite.It was beautiful. The trip was out
there, and we pulled into thisbay and we're just looking around and you're
like, oh, okay, we'rekind of orienting ourselves with us where okay
we see and then you see thelittle building, you know, so he
kind of figured out where we wereat. We had a map and all
that, but he takes us inthere and it was dude, it was

(40:23):
absolutely gorgeous day. I just rememberthat, and the place was just full
of sea orters, you know,big sea autters rolling around there. Along
the short of this, the boatguy, we kind of orient ourselves where
we're at the where the old townwas, and we did a little looking
around there and then we're like,okay, where's he going to drop us
off? Because basically gonna drop us, he's gonna come back and get us

(40:45):
in three days. So we founda spit and he was happy to kick
us off the boat and he said, hey, by the way, do
you guys have a satellite phone?We said no, and he goes,
what's wrong with you? And hegave us a satellite phone and he said
every twelve hours, I want youto t X me all is well,
and then he booging and got outof there and it was just me and

(41:06):
Adam and Joe sire cameraman. Wow, wow, the cameraman. So that's
something to note too, is thatpeople can actually see this adventure for themselves
because you produced a documentary out ofit. Right, well, that was
the follow up one, but therecon was a three day thing and I'm
going I'm sorry, I'm a littlelong here. But what I have to
tell you is this, we didn'tsleep the whole time. I when I

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say that, literally we were scared. I there was so much anxiety,
and we were scared and we wereon edge, and so we didn't even
sleep the first you know, wewould alternate every couple hours. You know,
someone could get a twenty minute nap, but we were constant on guard,
and we were very visual because wedidn't know what to expect well.
And also, and I know thatthe place is clearly has some bad juju

(41:52):
going on, you know, likethere's there's some there's legends about this place,
like this whole thing has been builtup in your mind. But on
top of that, there's a realpossibility that there's a The Sasquatches there have
learned that they can chase people awayand be terrible to them. But correct
me if I'm wrong. But thereare brown bears there too, right,
dude, there are Let me tellyou something I've never The highest concentration of

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black bears is on the Kenai Peninsulaand in Alaska, right, and then
there is those huge Kodiak brown bears. And when we were hiking around,
when we were walking around the oldtown side of Port Chatam, Alaska,
there was so much bear scat.I mean, it was like you thought

(42:37):
that there must have been a wholetown of bear there. It's everywhere and
man, and then we stumbled acrossa brown bear track that was the hugest
bear track I'd ever seen in myentire life. And we never ran into
any of them. But I rememberwhen we one morning when we went in
there here, one of the pileswas still steaming and it was huge.
But there were bears everywhere, andyou never saw one though he never thank

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god, we never well, Idid see one, not on this trip.
To me, that's almost scarier becauseyou knew that you were you were
there, you were in the middleof it. They were around, maybe
not fifty of them, but therewere a handful of these things around,
and you never saw one. Tome, that's almost creepier. One of
the things that we and you're bringingup a good point, and this is

(43:21):
overlooked and even sometimes I forget aboutit. But we did note some interesting
things when we were there. Andone of the things that we noted was
there seemed to be a division ofland. There seemed to be a barrier
between half like split the kind ofsplit half of port locked Port Chadam where

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the bears did not go like we'rewe're hiking around and we hiked. Originally
we hiked like we did. Somebodyhad one of those things where we keep
tracking, but we did like eightpoint six miles. I mean seriously,
we were covering some ground because wehad a limited, limited part of time
be there. But one of thethings that we did notice is there there
is an air yeah that once youcrossed this invisible barrier, there was zero

(44:04):
bear sign. It's like the bearsthat not go there and which which was
odd, but we know it wasalmost you know, we noticed it after
a little bit because it's like,that's strange. Why is all this bear
sign and bear tracks and bear poopand they're eating all the berries. But
then you get over on this sideand and there's no barrier. I mean
there's berries everywhere there. Bears haven'ttouched them. There's absolutely nope, we

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haven't come across any bears. Getno bear tracks or anything that is odd.
That is odd. Yeah, whatdid you what did you find on
that side of the track, soto speak, like what did you find
in the no bear zone? Thatgave you some idea perhaps what what what
that was all about. When wewere in the no Bear Zone, Okay,
there was a couple of things thatwe noticed. One of them is

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the no Bearer Zone bordered the there'sa lagoon and this is a lagoon where
allegedly they found body parts, youknow, ripped up body parts, washed
down, endless to go. Andthe No Bear Zone was the area that
bordered that lagoon. And secondly,when we were hiking around that area,

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first of all, we kind ofgot the feeling that something was watching us,
you know how you get kind ofget that feeling. But secondly,
we kept hearing this a little runningand stop running and stop running and stop
foot foot like foot poundings or kindof yeah yeah yeah. And it was
up the ridge, you know,it was behind us, but as we

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moved in a circular, it stayedon the ridge kind of above us.
But paralleled this and I never itwas really thick, you know, and
so we we we don't know,but we kept hearing it and there was
something there. Don't know what itwas, but there was something there.
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyondwith Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right

(45:55):
back after these messages. I thinkI caught a little bit of one of
these documentaries that you were in aboutthis. And if I remember right,
the ground is basically padded moss everywhereyou look, So there's not a lot
of opportunity for subs, for tracksand good substrate. Right, yeah,

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no, there isn't. There isn't. Subsequent to this, after we'd exhausted,
Okay, because I've been there threetimes and I don't want to confuse
and a couple of trips, soI'm going to back up real quick.
And then the trip that I didwith Adam when we went in there.

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If you haven't seen the flur videothat was captured during that trip, I
highly recommend it. You can seeit. It's available on episode two of
the Alaska Triangle. We actually providedit to him. Oh I was on
that show, actually, yeah,yeah, yeah, that's right, you
weren't. I'm not in that episode, of course, but yeah, I

(46:59):
was on. I was on thatseries. So yeah. And by the
way, I have film of whenthat actually occurred, and and and I
was looking at it the other day. Basically, what was caught on that
flur was some Adam was doing,you know, some of his calling.
You know what I'm saying, howhe does Dad? Who right? Because
we were trying to it was gettingto be here last night there and you

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know it's dark and and everything andand whatnot, and all of a sudden
he starts doing that. We thoughtwe heard something coming from way up on
this ridge. We thought we heardsomething. So it immediately I've got the
flur and uh and we're looking upthere and we're handing the flair back and
forth whatever, and I'm going,look and I noticed something that it's something
came over the top of the ridgeand started coming down and I'm going,

(47:45):
holy crap. And anyways, andso I gave it, you know,
I said, Adam, take alook at this man. And you know
when he's got it and he's flurringup there and this thing it was like
comes running over the top hill.Appears that way came over the top hill
and started coming down the and I'mlike it appeared to be by Pete whatever.
And anyways, it was in JoeSiah is actually filming this as it's

(48:07):
occurring, and here it is,and I, like I said, I
was just looking at it and youcan actually see the fear in my face,
and then I start telling at him, stop yelling, you know,
stop doing your thing, stop doingyour calling, because whatever it is,
you've irritated it, you've agitated it, and I don't want it coming down
any farther down that hill. Soanyways, there's a good clip of that
Flair video that they have on thatshow. When we did the first movie,

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when we came back in September ofeight, twenty eighteen, and we
did actually shot the movie in searchof the Porch Chadam Harryman. During that
trip, we did find some tracksand we but you know what I'm saying,
We did find some really good impressionsand we try to show them the

(48:50):
best that we can in the film, but there weren't really anything that was
was castable. But we did findthose and when we were following those up
into what I called the Valley ofDeath, you follow them up into this
wooded area and it's and it's avalley, but it opens up into a
really grassy metal once you get throughthe woods. We had identified the trackway

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and we started following it. Wekind of spread out and we're going up
there and I call it the Valleyof Death. I have to give names
to everything, because you know,they said people would go up the valley
and they would never come back.You know, that was part of the
alleging. But as you're going upthe valley, there's this thing had it
was they were very very fresh,because as it's going up through the hills,
you know, you could see thefresh dirt where it's toes were grabbing,

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and we measured it was about fourteeninches and there was actually a couple
imprints and where it stepped on alog, and then after that it would
just started running up the hill rightand you could see the stride and where
the toes had dug into the dirt. And we were right behind this thing,
and it was in the morning,and we're following up up that valley
there, and we're kind of spreadout and like a wedge formation. You

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know, Beans is up front,he's but he's to the right, and
I'm on one side of this valleyand we're coming up and as we're going
up that track way, I'm lookingto forward, but out of the corner
of my eye, something darts inbetween two trees and it was just quick
and there was a gap of abouttwenty feet in between two trees and something

(50:20):
very tall and gray and lanky,lanky dude just darted between two trees and
I just caught a profile of it. I immediately said, stopped, everybody.
I said, holy bleep, bleep, bleep, whatever, don't move,
man. I just saw something dartbetween two trees. And I called
everybody in the radio and they said, get over here, man, because
it's I just saw something. We'reon the trail of something. But here

(50:43):
was the interesting thing. I'm like, what's it doing? What's it doing?
And the valley that we were goinginto actually was a dead end.
Oh, some sort of box canyonsort of, yes, it was a
box canyon. And so we're movingforward. We're on the trail of whatever
this thing is and we're moving forwardand and it turns out it's a boss
canyon, and I'm like, what'sthis thing going to do? Well,

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it had two choices. It waseither we were going to run it into
the rock. We're going to runit to the dead end and then or
it's going to you know, sowhat it is. It made a break
for it. We're pushing it upthere that was running out of room,
and so just that whatever it wasdecided to make a get around us.
It was either that or he's goingto come out on the beach. That
was your only option. It's gonnarun dead end or or we're gonna chase

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you right out of the beach.And it made a break for it and
just got around behind us. Thatthat was it. And then for subsequently
Beans Beans got some short but reallygood floor video. I recommend you check
it out. He got some muffler. So that that was that the trip
that that was That was exciting,not bad, not bad footprints a part

(51:49):
all but a sure sighting you know. That's that's pretty cool, plus a
little bit of flair video. Itsounds like a super successful expedition and that
and that was part of this documentaryIn Search of the Port Chadam Harry in
correct. So you can see allthis, so you can see this as
it kind of is unfolding it.Yeah, it's it's a long movie,
but we try to cover stuff.But there's a lot of people they they
they're not watching the entire movie,but yeah, no, it's in there.

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And check out the Flur video.The clip at the Flur video.
We show the impressions there and someother things. But it's pretty good stuff.
Insummation on the Port Chatham thing.Subsequent to this, you know,
we came up and we redid theepisode for the Travel Channel for you know,
for their series. We came backa third time, so I've been

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in there three times. Who cameback and we did that the following May,
and that was May of twenty nineteen. By that time, we had
covered that area there pretty well.I mean pretty well, but we could
never really stay more than you know, three four days at a time,
right. One of the things thatwas significant and I put this out and
I was really disappointed because when wewere fu allow on those that track way

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up the Valley of Death, itwas heading up to that Box canyon where
it kind of ended and then itgoes up eight hundred and forty feet and
it's it's almost straight up. It'salmost straight up, and there's a stream
that runs down through there. Butup on top of that is a lake.
It's there's a lake up there,and I call it the Lake of
No Return because people would you know, that was one of the areas where

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people would go and not come backas well, because that's where the doll
sheep were, you know, becausethat kind has its ringing around it.
But we sent a drone up there. We sent it drone up there to
scout and see what is up there. And when you get up there where
plateaus, there's that little lake there, and three quarters of it is just
straight cliffs up and down and kindof like rock slides, and then it

(53:45):
has a flat area like a bench. But what we spotted up there appeared
to be could be potentially cave entrancesin the cliff side up there. We
never we were going to do afollow up trip. If I was to
go back into Port Chattam, Alaska, that's all I would do is I'd
go up there and I would chopher and I would land up there and

(54:07):
spend a few days right there andinvestigate that. And so we were finished
in twenty nineteen. Then they camein and they did that show Alaskan Killer
big Foot, and they spent amonth or whatever in Port Chatham, right,
and no one they didn't even botherto go up there, So missed
opportunity. Well that was their firsttime in there, of course, right,

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So, and they weren't building uponwhat you had done already. Yeah,
Yeah, they they got a lotof information, you know, from
watching all the things that we did, and some of it they incorporated into
their show to a degree which isevident, but they never did follow through
with that, which was a realdisappointment. So the reason I'm putting this
out is this, if anybody's goingto bother going back into Port Chattaw,

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Alaska, please complete the mission andgo up there to that lake, because
I think that's that's really the onlyarea that wasn't covered that well, it
I wasn't covered, No one everwent there. And secondly, that's probably
a good opportunity to explore because ofsome of the historical stuff about when people
at the doll Sheep are up there. And secondly, there could be what

(55:13):
appeared to be some cave intrances wheresomething could live in a cave. Sounds
like that's more than enough reason togo back and go check out that particular
area. Yeah, so I encouragesomebody to do it. Well, you
know, Stephen, we have aI don't know if you can stick around
a little bit longer. We dohave a membership side of things. I'd
like to speak to you more aboutthis particular area, some of your other
adventures and even some of your personalsidings that I know you've had, but

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we didn't mention for some reason tothis podcast. We just didn't get to
it. Could you have a littlebit more time that you can spare for
me today? Well? Yeah,sure, okay, Well let's do this.
Let's let's let's wrap up this episodeof big Foot and Beyond here with
Cliff and usually Bobo, and thenwe can go and record for our members
after this, if that's okay withyou. But yeah, so thank you
so much Stephen for coming on thepodcast. I've been trying to get you

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for a while because I knew you'dbe a fantastic guests. You're so interesting,
you have so many adventures under yourbelt, You're so enthusiastic about life
in general, and it just comesthrough for everybody listening. This is Steven
Major, and he has been ona ton of stuff, but we've been
talking about In Search of the PorchChatham Harryman. Where can people see this
or buy it? Or because peopleare going to want to put their eyes

(56:19):
on this, you can see InSearch of the Port Chatham Harryman is available
on our YouTube channel for free.If you like commercials and what is your
YouTube channel. It's it's Extreme ExpeditionsNorthwest LLC. And of course, by
the way, Stephen said that youcan see this for free on his YouTube
channel, and the link is inthe show notes, so just go ahead

(56:39):
and click that and I'll bring youright over there to the YouTube channel you
can check out all the things thatSteven's up to. Stephen, thank you
very much. Once again, Ireally sincerely appreciate you coming on and members,
stay tuned. We'll be talking toStephen on the members episode. Thank
you very much everybody for tuning intobig and Beyond with Cliff and usually Bobo.
But we'll be back eventually, hopenext week. We'll see about that.

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