Ep. 295 - The 2024 Recap!

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And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Boobo Fay.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Hello, Bobo, Matt. How are you guys doing?

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Pretty good? Happy new Year?

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Almost huh it's coming, whether ready or not.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
I'm ready?

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah, why not? Twenty four has been good.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Though, yeah, no coing plasure for me. Very good.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Well, pro you're back there somewhere, aren't you.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
I am indeed celebrating the disclosure of an awesome year.
Twenty twenty four was indeed good.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah yeah, So end of the year episode. So we're
going to be looking back at this year and hopefully
and maybe a looking at head a little bit to
twenty twenty five. Hopefully there's a good couple of good
things on the horizon out there. So what do you
guys think here?

Speaker 3 (01:07):
The highlight?

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah, highlights, I mean a couple of the big ones
for me of course, or you know, every year we
start and we're doing it again. This year is squatch
Fest in January. I love squatch Fest. It's easily one
of my favorite gigs. Number One, I can drive there.
That's always a pleasure. You know, it's an hour and
a half from the house or something like that. I
really appreciate that. But also the roster of people coming

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to speak every year is just fantastic. Last year we
had Meldrum. He's not gonna be on it this year,
I guess, but but last year we had Meldrum and
Matt Pruitt and a handful of other people that make
my day as well. And a lot of people just
pop by to say hi too, Like where else can
you go to a conference and you know, have Mark
Marcel come by to say hi because he wasn't that
far away, or you know, or Chris Spencer or Shane

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cor Olympic Project guys usually speak there, so if they
have a booth, that was a great gig. I always
look back on that one fondly and I always look
ahead to that one and to a patient.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
Only been to one, and it was that's why I
met Mark Marcel. I was liket this homeless guy in here.
Keep an eye on him, so I'm going to steal something,
and it is Mark Brcell.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
I was like, no, way.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
I had a great gift idea for Mark Marcel I
was gonna and it's a long term one. And I
don't know if Mark listens to the podcast or not.
But if he does, sorry Mark, And if you don't, good.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
He strikes me as someone who does not listen to podcasts.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
That's what I think too.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
He seems like someone who more listens to like the grammarphone,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
He does.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, yeah, one of those record players with the horn, yeah,
instead of a speaker.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Totally. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
I want to get him a gift. I want to
buy him like a variety pack of socks, but then
pull him out and mismatch him so none of them
match the other one, and then like ball him up
like we do, you know, And then I'll give him
like a half dozen socks that don't match one another.
And then the following year, for his birthday, I'll give
him the other half, you know, the other set that

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doesn't match. Since he matches his socks by thickness instead
of color.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
The Hill insist to come from a good will and
be used.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Well, well, it'll come with goodwill.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
I love that guy. I think if you could instantiate
the Pacific Northwest into a single being. It would be
Mark Murcell.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
That's a pretty good representation.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
I'd say Mark is great.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
That would be a good gift idea, very creative and generous.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yeah, it's kind of hard to believe that Squatchfest was
almost a year ago, because I feel like I was
just there and just at your house, and now we're
getting ready to do that again, Like, oh, that was
like the other day, but now it's happening again because
it was a year ago, because it's been a crazy,
hectic year. Well, another great thing about that trip is
that our friends who were the you know, the Bluff
Creek Bigfoot guys, Doug Shay and Todd Samples and Carrie,

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you know, they came up for that trip and decided
to make a day trip before squatch Fest started and
had a sasquatch siding before the conference, and then you
and I and my wife Emily got to go out
there with him, and there were still tracks left in
the ground and Emily got to cast one of those tracks.
We did a podcast episode about it, you know. It's
kind of one of our earlier episodes in the year,
episode two hundred and fifty and so that was a

(04:11):
super eventful weekend, and I guess your museum members would know,
like we filmed the video one of the secret spots
one night and then filmed a lot of this stuff
from that investigation with Doug and Todd and Kerry, and
so a lot happened that week.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
I still hadn't even I have not even made that
the footage that we got up at the sighting location
into a museum video yet. I've been kind of crunched
for time, as I always am, and I want to
make that one spectacular because not only did you and
I and Emily go up there on Sunday after the
event with the witnesses, I think I went up there

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three more times, at least two, but I think I
went up there three more times afterwards, and I filmed
every one of them, and on one of them we
got a vocalization like Keith and I were there. We're
on our knees looking at a track and then off
the hills. So and we happen to be recording video
at the time. So so much happened with that, and

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we got so many casts, and it was such an
interesting circumstance because the guys didn't see it for very long,
but they got a good enough view. We found about
one hundred and fifty yards of tracks, We found hand prints,
we found where the things sat down in the ferns
and waited for the dudes to go away, and then
we have vocalization on the follow up stuff. Yeah, so

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much happened. I've wanted to really really focus and make
that an excellent video because a lot of times I'm
doing these things kind of you know, I got three
or four days to pieces video together, and I just
feel like that one deserves more time and more attention.
So I've not been able to do that yet, but
maybe I'll do that for the one year anniversary. You know,
maybe I'll do that for the last one in January.
Because this week I'm also up against the wall. I

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have another video to make. So Shane Corson and I
went out to a spot we call it the Outer
Rim because it's pretty hard to get to and it's
totally far away. I started going there last May and
we so found footprints, seventeen inch footprints several times up there.
So I brought Shane Corson up there with me and
I said, hey, I want to show you these spots

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where we got these footprints, and we found a ton
more a ton of footprints cast of like eight or
nine of them that one day, three different individuals. It
was fantastic. So that's the one I'm piecing together this
week for the museum members.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
What was the story that made you send of those
guys out? There's something that just recently happened there, right.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Oh, well, it turns out that they wanted to go
hiking at Mount Saint Helens. And this is like on
Wednesday or Thursday, I think Thursday. They wanted to go
hiking at Mount Saint Helens, but the weather was lousy.
It was raining everywhere. So they pulled up their weather
app and looked at the radar and there was one
little patch where there was no rain forecast and it
was down by Mount Hood Sandy Ridge trailhead about it,

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you know, less than ten miles from where I'm sitting
at this very moment. And they said, well, let's go
hiking there. You know, we want to go to Mount
Saint Helen because of the history on that jest, let's
go hiking there. At least it's not gonna be to rain.
And that's why they chose that spot and they ran
into they literally saw his assquatch late in the afternoon.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
So cool. Those guys are great. Man.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
Yeah, I just saw I felt so bad. I just
saw that small town monsters talking to me Alex did
on the go ro and I was in it, and
those guys were They're like, they're talking about their snow
tracks and they're like, yeah, we called. We called Boa
and he actually got back to us right away. He
occasionally answers, but not usually, so we knew it was.
It was a good fine And I was like, oh man,

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I felt so bad. I'm like, those guys are totally cool.
Like I never like to say I'm not going to
call those guys back and I just stuff I don't know,
like just don't follow up on time and stuff. But
those guys are super cool. I want I want to
get those guys involved. That new spot I'm going to
go to on the coast. I'm gonna do that, like
a get a place where could take the quads in
and more.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
There's a lot of gravel.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
We can you know, kind of hide the tracks a
little bit and get the quad sitting off the off
the main road. Then have a place set up there
where we can go to so we're not trying out
to Bluff Creek two and a half hours, you know,
like drive twenty thirty minutes and we're there for sure.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
And Doug, Todd and Carrie don't feel bad Bobo doesn't
always answer or return our calls either. I think, of
all my friends, you're the hardest person to get ahold
of that. I know, Bobo.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
I just didn't have a ringer on. I don't carry
my phone all the time.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
Yeah, when we first started doing this podcast, like five
and a half years ago, i'd get your voicemail that
was like, hey, I'm going to be out of service
for a few days. Just leave a voicemail and get
back to you. And so I'd call Cliff and I
was like, hey, I tried to get ahold of Boo.
I guess he's out in the woods, you know. And
Cliff was like, oh, no, that's been his voicemail for
like ten years.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
I think I'll change it.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
I guess, Well, what was the thing recently, like you
you sent me this list of a slew of ceremonial
rites or rituals. You said, like I can only get
texts like if I'm in my truck on Bluetooth, and
I opened my contacts and I clear. So I was thinking, like,
holy get texts when the sun's edit zenith in my
back is to the thirty fourth parallel, and my left

(09:01):
foot is pointed west, in my right foot east and
I use my left thump. It was a lot.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
When do you think about it, Think of the troubleshooting
that Bobo had to go through to defind, to actually
discover the combination of events that needs to be aligned
in order to receive a text.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah, that's what I was curious about.

Speaker 4 (09:18):
It was all happens to that. I wasn't trying to
figure anything. I was just I mean, I was besting
around like I was in the truck. And also I
was like, well a text came through and I could
hit I parked the truck and didn't drive and put
it in park.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
I could hit view and see it.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
That's all I'm saying, Doug Todd, Carey, don't don't take
it personally. Clip and I don't always get responses or answers,
But you know, it's funny. This has happened to me
more than once. I remember the last time it happened
to me. I was in the theater being Emily went
and saw a movie. It's like, sometimes I'll call Bobo. Well,
most times i'll call Bobo, he doesn't answer. But there's
times when you want to talk to me and you'll
call like six times in a row until I answer.

(09:55):
Bobo was like, no, you will be available.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Now, that's just something excited.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Well, you know, getting back to last January when we
were up there at Sandy Ridge trailhead for that siding,
again I mentioned I went there at least two or
three more times after you and Emily had left, because
I was trying to track the animal further and in
both directions, where did it come from? Where to go to?
We left some good tracks in the ground that Sunday
when we were out there, so I wanted to go

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see if I can record those and cast those, you know,
take some GPS coordinates and all that sort of stuff.
But one of the days, it was Friday, whatever, I
think it was probably February third, or you know, early
February that whatever that Friday was. After all that I
was on my way up there, I was you know,
you can't drive to the spot, you have to walk in.

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And it wasn't that far of a walk, but it
was uphill. They were probably half mile three quarters of
a mile or something, probably just shive a mile somewhere
in there. And so I had already done I think,
two trips up with plaster put you know, put the
plaster in the ground cast mist, and those were drawing,
and I had gone back to the car, maybe dropped

(11:04):
a castop or something, I don't remember. And there's also
no water down there, so I had to drag water
up too. So I was hoping and I was alone.
I was alone, and one of these walks up there,
I was pretty tired at that point. I was getting
close to the spot. I was well more than a
half mile in there. And then I get a call
from a fellow research for a friend of mine, and
I pick up because he doesn't call me very often.

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I go, Hey, what's happening, and he goes, I just
saw one. I just saw your big foot, blah blah
blah blah. But he's freaking out, freaking out, And in
long story short, he had just observed the two sasquatches
we have been tracking in one of my other research
areas for a couple of years. He didn't get a
great look at him. But he walked in on one

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of the roads that we continually look at that I
even found tracks there a couple of weeks ago. You know,
he walked in on that road because he had never
walked down there before, supposedly, like he just never had
gone down there. He he always works a different area
a few roads over. So he says, well, I'm going
to go down Cliffs Road to day, you know. So
he goes down there and there's two large animals down

(12:09):
slope in the shadows and the cedar shadows down there,
stomping and breaking branches and whatever and going back and forth,
and he's scared him really really badly, scared him really badly. Actually,
he was afraid to go back to his truck on
the road because he thought that he'd be They're gonna
get him or something, you know like that. But you know,
it sounds ridiculous right now saying it, but when you're

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in that situation, it's not so ridiculous, honestly, not at all. Yeah,
So he was, he was quite frightened. So he went
back straight up the hill to the main road and
think took the long way around basically, and then so
I think that was on the Friday or something, if
I remember right, maybe a Thursday. I don't remember that
to look, but so so I got together with this

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guy the next day, him and another friend of his
that he does a lot of research with out there,
and we went to the spot. And I know this
state because the photographs are from February third, so I
know that, so he must have seen it on the second.
And we went there and we went down the slope
to where he said these these things were moving around.
He said there was a big one and a smaller one.

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He said one was nine feet when was six feet.
But he was afraid and he was above them, and
people are bad, you know, estimators of that sort of thing. Anyway,
so I don't think they were quite that big, because
he'd seen the smaller one before, and he said, he
said six feet this time, but he had actually observed
the smaller one before, and he said the thing was

(13:31):
probably about my size, a little smaller. And I'm five
foot eight, so the thing was five and a half
feet tall or something probably, so not too far from six,
you know. And again he was scared, so we expect
him to exaggerate a little bit, so a big one
in a small one basically, and when we got to
the site, we found sign down there where he observed
these things, including a handprint on the side because it

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was a steep slope that this thing was moving back
and forth with on and then broke, breaking the branches
and all that sort of stuff. There was a handprint
on the end cline. It wasn't really good, but it
was clearly a hand more than one actually, and then
footprints going back and forth. And then we back tracked
it down to the creek and then up the other slope,
kind of found the general area where it came from
before we lost it, and then we hiked up the

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creek a little bit and came back on the road
that we normally hike in and out on and the
snow was melting away. It actually had melted quite a
bit in the rain the previous night. But yeah, we
found tracks. We found tracks, and it was the same
two I believe it was the same too, that we've
been tracking for years, the twelve inch in the fourteen inch.
So that was really encouraging, and it was quite an

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active week. I thought, Man, if twenty twenty four is
gonna be like this, it's gonna be a ridiculous year.
It hasn't really proven to be that ridiculous of a year.
There's been actually a smaller number of sidings than what
we're used to, but two in the first like five
weeks of the year was quite good, especially since I
think in the first between those two sidings alone, I

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think I emulated something like twelve or fifteen casts. So
the year started with the bang.

Speaker 5 (15:05):
I'll tell you that, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and
beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after
these messages.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
I'm definitely looking forward to next year's trip in a
few weeks, and hopefully something equally squatchy happens that we
can go run around and check out and see if
there's a fire where someone sees smoke, so to speak,
that would be great. But it will be great to
get back to the Northwest and see the NABC again
and all that. But we I got really lucky to

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do a lot of events with you this year, because
you know, there's plenty of years like we just don't
see each other. We live you know, you live in
the Northwest. I live in the Southeast, and pass don't cross,
but this year, we actually got to do a lot.
We did four different events together and then we went
to see Dead and Company in Vegas. But so maybe
that trend will continue to some degree, although I've only
committed it two making events next year, and I'm going

(16:01):
to try to keep it to that so i can
work on other sasquatch related projects, you know, specifically field
stuff and also writing projects too.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
Where's your film?

Speaker 1 (16:10):
We're going to be pro North Georgia. Nine out of
ten trips, I'm still going to North Georgia these days.
There's some other areas of like Tennessee and Kentucky I like,
but I've just spent so much time, so many years
in North Georgia and I just might as well drive
the extra couple hours and get down there and be
in some of my favorite spots and places I just
know like the back of my hand, and you know,

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like the county I grew up and alone, I just
know so many places, let alone the surrounding county. So
try to get down there as much as possible in
twenty twenty five, for sure, But with Squatch Fest coming up, yeah,
I'd love to see some of these places that close
finding tracks because we only got to go to a
couple of places when I was out there, so I'd

(16:51):
love to see a different spot if possible, if time allows.
But who knows.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Well, you get in kind of early on Wednesday, you know,
and if we can get out of the report kind
of early, that gives us a few hours of daylight,
and I can my spot's are only an hour away,
you know, so that's easy. And of course Thursday we
have that event with you at the Museum's probably going
to release tickets, probably around the time that this podcast
airs too, by the way, so like maybe the last

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week of December is what we're kind of thinking at
this point, at the latest, first week of January, of course.
But on Thursday, I'll probably maybe wake up early and
take you out again or something to show you the woods.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
There one who be the tickets available for people that
hear this, I don't think, well there all the members
will get them all what.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
They Well, what will happen is that I'll release them
from museum members first, and then I'll give them about
a week to buy tickets, and then after that week,
what we'll do is we'll open them up to the
podcast members next, you know, and there'll be plenty of
tickets for people who want to do it. We can
only sell about forty tickets a little less, actually, I

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usually limit it's about thirty two or so because I've
got a bunch of dead beat friends that tend to
show up, and I would too. I'm one of those
dead beats that would be happy to show up and
take a free ticket, you know. So like Boba, if
you show up, you're coming in for free. If Bart
shows up like he says, he's coming in for free.
You know, usually the Olympic Project guys want to come
or something like that for the good speakers, and you know,
so I try to set aside like a number of

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you know, deadhead tickets so to speak, you know, free tickets.
So I usually sell about thirty two in person tickets,
and they sell out pretty quick. With Meldrum and Michael Freeman.
This past November, I think we sold something like twenty
six tickets to the museum members because you know, a
lot of our members don't live nearby, so they don't
go that quickly. About twenty five twenty six tickets for

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museum members, and then the last six or so would
go to six or eight of them would go to
podcast members, and so we never have a problem with that.
But what we started doing is that we actually live
stream the events. Now people can buy a much less
expensive ticket because it's you know, we got to pay
for stuff. You know, I got to pay for my

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employees and all this other stuff. I got to sell
the tickets for like twenty or thirty bucks somewhere in
there to make any money whatsoever. And we're not making much.
We mostly do these because they're cool and fun and
it's a neat way to get people involved in the museum.
You know, we're not making hundreds and hundreds and hundreds
of dollars or anything like that, don't get me wrong.
But I have expenses we have to cover because it
is a business, and then the business has to make

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a little something. So what we've been doing to help
out is we've been live streaming the events on Zoom.
So Nico sets up like a livestream camera and we
hooked the sound system into the computer and so people
buy less expensive tickets and they can watch it from
their living room. We do it over Zoom, and the

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Zoom level that we have I can accommodate ninety nine people,
and we've never come even close to that, even close
to that. So if anybody listening out there does want
to see Matt pro At speak, that's a great way
to do it. It'll be probably like I think we
sold tickets for eight bucks or something last time.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
I've done a couple of them. It's cool.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
I listen to Mark Marcell and Mike Freeman and yeah,
I listen to a few of those are watched whatever,
it's cool.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
I liked it.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Yeah, it's kind of a fun way to get people
in different parts of the world who can't come in
person involved. And of course at the end time with
assuming we have time, and we usually do, we take questions,
and people watching in their living room from you know,
North Carolina are asking questions of these people. It's a
neat way to interact with somebody even if you can't
attend in person. So we'll be doing that again with

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Matt Preuitt on the on January twenty third.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
I think it is so I do hope you'll make
it up because it would be awesome. The three of
us have not done an in person event in almost
four years, and so we're definitely overdue for people who
talk you know, once or twice a week for public
consumption and more than that, like you know, privately on
the phone. We should definitely get together in person. I
just think it'd be super fun.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yeah, well, you know another, let's get back to Bigfoot
thing a little bit.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
I was thinking. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
So in February I made a pretty big score for
the museum that reads resulted in knocking down a couple
or at least one historical hoax and exposing it. The
guy named some guy named Walt was selling fake stompers
on eBay and a good friend of mine reached out
and said, hey, man, are you Are you aware of this?

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And I said no, I never saw this before. And
I was looking at the stompers and you know, they
kind of looked like a Mullins stomper, like Rant Mullins,
and I wasn't sure. But he wanted way too much money,
way too much money, you know. So and the eBay
thing says you buy these, I'll tell you how I
used them and all this other stuff, and it was
just so intriguing. So I wrote him and said, well,
I can't afford what you're asking for them, but I'll
give you this much if they don't sell asking. I

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think it was like fifteen hundred bucks. Yeah, it's kind
of a lot for these things, you know. And I said,
I can't afford that, but you know the museum can't either.
So but I run a museum. Maybe you want these
things preserved historically. I can give you this much with
and he goes, well, I'm going to try to sell
for this much, and he did. He didn't sell them,
but he tried to sell them for that much, and
then a week or two and by that nobody bid

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at all. He lowered the price a little bit and
I said, hey, my offer still stands. I emailed him
through eBay about it, and he goes, well, I'm going
to try. I'll let you know. And so he didn't
sell it at that price either. So he reached out
to me and said, okay, I'll take your price, which
was cool, and so I said, well, I can drive
out to you. He lived on the coast somewhere. I
can drive out to you and pick him up. If

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he said no, no, I want to go. I want
to see your big Foot museum. It's all great. So
he came to the Bigfoot Museum with the stompers and
I sat him down for an interview. I did a
taped interview. One of my great volunteers in my archiving
department transcribed the interview and he told me the story
and he said, yeah, I used him in Idaho, I

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used him in southern Oregon. And he was telling me
the story. And I got him from this this guy's
lumber company. He lived in Toledo, Washington, and of course
Bell started going up Toledo. Well that's where the Wallace
has lived. But this didn't look like a Wallace stomper
to me. It looked like a Mullins. But I never
could figure out exactly where these stompers came from, although
I am eighty percent sure they are Wallace stompers. Of course,

(23:08):
the museum owns the original Wallace stompers from nineteen eighty
two that he probably carved special just for the little
TV spot that he did. You know, there's a very
the famous picture of Rant Mullins is and doctor Meldrum
spoke where he's holding up these stompers. We have those
exact stompers in the museum, and I know it's those
because you can see the marks and the photographs and

(23:30):
you can see the marks on the actual stompers, and
in fact, on the back of these artifacts is Rant
Mullins autograph and this is nineteen eighty two. And that's
when the little news item popped up where Randon was
talking about his his pissing match with the Wallaces and
stuff about who's a better hoaxer and stuff. But anyway,
these look a lot like that.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
I'm a better lot than you are.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
I know, I know. It's like, no, you're not, and
blah blah blah, I invented Bigfoot. No, I see the
whole thing with Mullins and stuff. And of course we can.
I don't if we talked about that when we had
Vince on the podcast back in the day from Pacific
North weird, but I guess somebody promised somebody money for
carving these stompers and used them and they got all

(24:11):
the attention and newspaper coverage and I don't know, just
weird attention stuff, just ego stuff. But anyway, this guy's
telling me about using these stompers at a shake mill
down in Renton, Oregon, and he's telling me the story
and he's saying, yeah, there are these two kids there
and there's a horse corral and and and it's sounding
awfully familiar. And I eventually pieced it together that these

(24:36):
actually were the Stompers that were used when Barbara Wasson
found and cast the only footprints that she'd ever founded cast.
And of course, the museum owns the Barbara Wasson collection,
all of her correspondences, all of her research, all of
her book notes, all of the original graphs and stuff,
and also the one original cast that she made. So

(24:57):
I pulled out the original cast and compared to the Stompers,
and sure enough, one hundred percent match. So unfortunately, Barbara
Wasson came and went, and now she's passed away. And
the one cast that she pulled that was an original
cast of her own, turns out was made by these
same Stompers. So I thought that was fantastic. I think

(25:17):
it's fantastic to bust historical hoaxes.

Speaker 4 (25:21):
I think it's great that she got to go to
her grave without cliff ruining her one cast she.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Got, I know, but because of these casts, I was
put in contact through a wonderful woman named Darlene lives
up in Toledo with a member of the Wallace family
and another guy who owned the logging company that this

(25:45):
this other guy who got the stompers worked for. And
so I went up and interviewed both of them. Because
both these guys, one of them that the young one
was like ninety two and the other one was literally
one hundred and one years old. There was like two
hundred almost two hundred years of tom foolery in that
room along with me. And I interviewed them about what
they knew about the hoaxing and all this other stuff.

(26:06):
And Buzzwell was that was the older of the two
gentlemen's names, Don Buzzwell Boswell, one of those two. He
talked about using stompers and being and like he said
a couple of things that I thought made me think
it was the Blue Mountain tracks, because the Blue Mountain
Tracks are are I think I mentioned it recently Maybe not.
I thought I was on the podcast recently and mentioned

(26:27):
this that I think they're probably probably hoaxed, right, And
he was mentioning, you know, pulling somebody in a car
with a rope to simulate longer step length and all
this stuff on a logging side, and thinking, oh, that's
that's Blue Blue Creek Mountain, Blue Creek mountain tracks. I said,
blue mountains, really, but I met Blue Creek mountain tracks
and it turned I said, well, was that was that
in the Bluff Creek area? And he goes, oh, no, No,
that was out by Whiskeyville or somewhere. So there's another

(26:50):
track thing over there somewhere, and he doesn't remember the date,
but yeah, So anyway, it was a really interesting interview
with these two older gentlemen, and I got to I
really kind of went in trying to find out, what
do you know about the Blue Creek mountain tracks? Can
we nail those down as a hoax? And it turns
out that both these guys knew nothing about those. So
even though I think they're probably hoax based on that

(27:12):
line or whatever that's in the casts from that fake
stomper from the Wallaces, neither of these guys knew anything
about the Blue Creek Mountain.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
Tracks at all.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
So I tried to bust two historical hoaxes, but I
only got away with one.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Great work though, and that was a good find and
we chatted about that a lot back when it happened,
and super cool that you got to meet with him too.
I'm sure they were a cantanker as bunch.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
One of them was full of smiles, the other one
was not.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
Well.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
If you can imagine being that like disagreeable and much
of a prankster when you're young, and then when you're
that age and you have no f's left to give,
you know, you're probably ten times as cantanker as you know.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Oh yeah, I'll go ahead and I'll send you this
picture here of the two gentlemens, A gentleman, the two
gentlemen around the table, and you can tell me what
you think of their attitude. Yeah, they thought I was
They thought I was an idiot man.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
For the Bigfoot thing. So they're no gentlemen.

Speaker 5 (28:07):
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
We'll be right back after these messages.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
When I was digging back through, you know, I was,
I was scrolling through all the podcasts we've put out
this year, just trying to go through the year recap
and looking back at things we discussed and things that
have been happening. You know, we got some great witnesses
this year too. You know, we had Jeff Deisinger back,
and I guess that we had him in April or May.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
That was the best one.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Yeah, He's somebody I'd been familiar with for years, and
just through a member of the podcast, found out that
he and I basically lived pretty close to each other,
and so we met up and had started chatting, and
I was like, Hey, would you be willing to tell
that story on the podcast. I'm really glad we got him,
kept in touch with him and hung out with it
a few times since then. But people really love that

(28:59):
episode of a lot of people reach out and say, hey,
if I want someone to hear about the subject and
they're not familiar with it and they want to hear
a good signing, that's the episode I send them. So
that was very cool to get him on there.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
They had a couple of dead leads too, you know,
like I got called out to the coast for some
tracks turned out to be elk tracks, But I did
get to go on a boat with these dudes for
a while because the tracks were across this big sandbar
and a couple of them looked pretty good, and a
couple of them didn't look real really good actually to me,
but it's Bigfoot's one of those things. Man, if you
don't get out there, you're going to miss some stuff,

(29:35):
you know, And it's one of the aggravating things about it.
I've wasted a lot of days. Yeah, waste is probably
too strong of a term. Honestly, I've spent a lot
of days chasing down leads that didn't come to fruition,
and so I got to I did have to go
to the coasts or whatever, but I did make a
good contact out there. Turns out this guy lives a
spit in distance from months and Falls outside of Tillamook,

(29:56):
and that's where most of the stuff happens in the
Tillamook areas Munson Falls area. So this guy has eyes
on out for me now and kind of boots on
the ground and with my phone numbers, hopefully that'll turn
up with something.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
So oh no, that'd be great. It kind of reminds
me like we talked about in the last main show episode,
is you know, some of the regrets that I have
from the past or are not following up on those
things because I was too quick to go, ah, this
is probably too good to be true, or just didn't
really sit right. And then as time progressed and more
details came out, it was like, man, that actually might
have been something, and I probably should have dropped everything

(30:29):
and gone and looked, because there's plenty of times I
have dropped everything, gone and looked, you know, like many many, many,
many times. And then after enough times of that, you know,
sometimes it pans out. A lot of the times it doesn't.
But there's only one way to know, and that's to
drop everything and go look. So you're still doing good
work there, even if it just turns out to be
elk tracks.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
When I was in the BFR, like, there's times where
people be like this guy sounds nuts, or like all
the reports, like the initial investigators say probable hosts without
even talking to the person, or like the the spelling
and grammar would be so bad you can really hardly
understand what they were saying, Like this guy sounds like
an idiot, you know, And then I'd follow up, but
I like those would payoffs. Sometimes you're like, just follow

(31:10):
up because you think it's a dead end, but then
it turns out they're like a great witness, you know.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Absolutely. There's a couple of my favorite reports that I
got from the BFRO that no one had ever taken,
where someone had submitted it as a report and not
a comment, but they had just said something like, hey,
I'd really love to talk to someone, right, And so
people never because they're like, oh, there's no information here,
and they move on. And I was like, well, let's
just see and then I get to talking to them,

(31:35):
and after they sort of felt it out and realized
I wasn't a lunatic, they'd go, hey, man, I got
to tell you what I saw, and it would be
some incredible report. You know, it's just something amazing. So
I was glad that I followed up on those because
some people are just so reticent, you know, they don't
necessarily want to lay all the cards on the table.
They're like, let me see what these people are about first,
and then if I feel like I can trust them,

(31:56):
I'll tell them this thing that I saw that no
one would believe under any other circumstances. And so things
like that are definitely worth following up on.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
Then I also had some things happened this year where
if you didn't have recorders, you wouldn't even know there
was action going on, or like when I went out
and figued with our buddy from Pennsylvania, you know, it
was all super storm. It was like the biggest storms
of the year. Again that the week we were out
and we were there, we spent the whole night, We
spent several hours into one spot on the coast.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
And we left the record.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
He let the recorder go and we came back out
the next day and showed that there was a bunch
of knocks, you know, like twenty knocks over fifteen minute
period that came up, you know, got closer to the
recorder and then just stopped when they got.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
By the recorder.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
But you know, it wouldn't even have known, like would
have done that if you hadn't let that recorder out.
Go on audio, you know, it happened a few times
this year. The audio showed like, oh they were around.
They just weren't being like aggressive or you know, like
they're not being is loud and you know, like whe
they're trying to get the message across to leave, like
these they were more just like doing their own trip,
not trying to engage us.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
You know, it's cool getting they were still there. Certainly.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
You know, when I was thinking about other evidence that
I had seen this year, I only got to see
him for a couple of minutes, just because it was
at a hectic event, But I thought those tracks that
Eric Alton cast that he brought to the Ohio Bigfoot
Conference were pretty compelling, you know. Like again, I only
got to spend a couple of minutes with him, but
they were very compelling to my eye.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Yeah, yeah, that was really really cool. Those were probably
I'll say those were the best tracks out of Pennsylvania
that I'm aware of. Not a lot of stuff comes
out of there.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Honestly, I think it happened in April or right at
the first of May, because that had just happened when
he came to the Ohio conference, which is what on
May fourth or fifth or something like that, So it
was early May.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yeah, looking back in my text, it looks like I've
got photographs of the originals on April twenty ninth, and
I have photographs of them in the ground I think
from just a smidge before that. So yeah, that must
yea April twenty eighth somewhere in there. You know, Eric,
if you're listening, by the way, still waiting for my copies,

(34:05):
no pressure, but yeah, so looking for the copies of
those casts. I really want to get into those. We
spend a little bit of time with them, at the
Ohio Conference, another great event. Super stoked to be involved
in that. So, yeah, I spend a little bit of
time with them there, but I really really want to
get into these things. So Eric made great latex molds
of these things. I'm very much looking forward to putting
my eyes on them and spending a little bit of time,

(34:25):
you know, because twenty minutes with cast doesn't tell you
very much. Yeah, you really have to spend some time,
you should. I mean, you guys have both see my
garage and there's castling around everywhere, and so I go
out there or whatever, and you know, I spend I
get very distracted, very easily. So I spend five or
ten minutes looking at a cast sometimes and that's where
I do most of my deep dives, my learning about

(34:47):
what the footprints are looking like and what the nuances
would be. So I'm really looking forward to getting my
mits on these things.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Yeah, we had him on the podcast shortly thereafter, So
if people haven't heard that episode you want to go
listen to more of that story, just go back. It
would have been sometime in May, right after that. I
don't have the episode list in front of me, but
we did have Eric on to talk about those. I
was super stoked too, speaking of podcast episodes, to get
John Zada on because I loved his book In the
Valleys of the Not Well Beyond. And you know a

(35:14):
lot of these authors who were published through like major publishers,
who were not necessarily like enmeshed in the Sasquatch research community.
You know, it's not like a friend of a friend
or something like that. I'd never would have really thought
about just trying to make contact somehow. And so he
was actually the one who initiated that because I had
I think I had republished maybe I hadn't republished it,

(35:35):
but I had referenced that classic episode, A Terrifying Night
in the Marble Mountains, which I did re release this
year through the Classics, And John commented on our Instagram
and he was like, oh, I recommended this episode to
so many people, And so I messaged and I was like,
I'm surprised to hear that you listen, because man, I
loved your book, and would you be willing to come

(35:57):
on the podcast? And he was up for it. And
I thought that was a great episode, and you know
a lot of people did too, So I hope it
drove a lot of people to read his book if
they hadn't yet, because that's such a great book.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
Besides that, Jeff Dice did your interview. The most times
I got this year about a podcast was the rerun
of Sarah's sighting in the Marble Mountains.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
People love that episode. I love that episode. I've listened
to it multiple times me too. That's my favorite boo
surprise because you had just said, hey, I have a
witness lined up, and we said okay, and hopped on
a call and started recording. And then as soon as
she started telling the story, I was like, oh my god,
I've heard this, I've read this, I've read this report
before it. So I was just amazed to talk to
her in person and I was like, I can't believe

(36:36):
you found this person. That's amazing, dude.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
Yeah, she's awesome.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Another great witness interview that we had was Irving, the
guy who saw the Sasquatch it close range from his
vehicle and got a really good look at his face.
That money maker hooked you up with, Cliff.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Yeah, yeah, that was very kind of Matt to let
us have that one. And he was a great witness,
fully smoked. What a great look and he's all on fire.
Now he goes. I think he's gone back there now
and heard from him, but he's gone back a couple
of times, maybe twy. I know he went back initially
and then he's planning another trip I think before ye're in,
So I don't know if you got back out there
or not.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Yeah, between his episode and Jeff's episode, I think those
were the two strongest eye or at least two of
my favorite eyewitness episodes that we had this year in
twenty twenty four.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
Yeah, Jeffs is the one that's one. I want Rugan
to here because he's because Ruggan's always all. I never
heard you know a good hunter say that you know
a good guy? You know, I've never met one or
heard anyone that knows me one. It's like, well here's
one dummy.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Friend of mine, a really good guy named Allan. I
actually literally spoke to him this morning. Good friend of mine.
He was he saw one of these things in October,
I think it was it was October, and he asked
me where to go. He's going to be done by Florence.
They go, oh, go to the spot over here. I
ran into him there before. I've heard him there at
least I think, And he went there and he saw one.
He saw a little guy he said, about three four

(37:54):
feet tall or so something like that. He said, would
have been about the size of a he said, like
a six seven year old human something like that. He
was walking and the thing ran across the cliff and
it was upright. It was running on two legs. It
was all black in color. It just appeared on one
side out of the bushes and dropped down to the
ravine on it. I don't know what it was. It's like, dude,
well what else could it be? What else could and

(38:16):
so why I don't know what it was? Well, it
was it was up it wasn't no, no, it was
on four legs. It was on two legs. Man, listen
to yourself, you know what it was. It's like, why
would you deny yourself that you.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Know, yeah, have a set of balls, buddy.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
And you heard him Allan Bubo says you need some balls.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
I mean I mean in general, not not him not
well yeah, him too, but all these guys that I
was like, you know, they know they're real, but they're
they're too afraid of the heckling. It's like everyone that
had the settings, you know, came out or whatever. Encounter
is that the like you know of audio encounter really
compelling tracks whatever, everyone if everyone came forward started talking

(38:57):
about it. It's like the UFO thing on the pilots
start going public, you know, it's like stigma lessons and
lessons and more and more info and get closer to
the truth.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Yeah, you scratch the service and everybody here in the
Pacific Northwest as the story or knows somebody with the story.
One of the cool things about having a bigfoot museum
for Meles is that you never know who's going to
come by, you know. And we had a couple really
notable visitors this year, maybe besides the regutters. Of course,
Bobo and ten ten were work by, and of course
Matt was there. Everybody knows. We had Michael Freeman drop by,

(39:28):
and we did an event with Mark Marcel earlier in
the year, and because of that we had the three
young gentlemen who rediscovered the mind the actual Ape Canyon mine.
We did that event. But you know, of course both
Alex and Eli from Small Town Monsters were in the
museum at various points filming various things. But old friend
Randy Chase dropped by this year. It's always a pleasure

(39:50):
to see him. The Wizard though, I had to open
up Facebook for something in the last couple of days
and I saw Randy dressed as Saint Nicholas. And I
don't mean like Santa Claus. I mean like as a saint,
like with the long red robe and the Saint had on. Man,
that guy's so cool, so cool. I love that guy.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Of course. We had Clyde lewis well known sort of
paranormal radio host. He's a friend of ours and he's
dropped by the museum for the first time and I
showed him around. He's a real nice guy. But probably
the biggest find, I guess, or the biggest name in
my opinion that came by the museum is Ron Olsen.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
Now.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Ron is a huge historical figure and doesn't even realize
that I'm still trying to nail him down for an interview.
He lives a few hours away from me, but I'm
willing to make the drive. Of course, he made that
real schlocky Bigfoot sort of pseudo documentary. You know where
they call a big horse trail? Was it called Sasquatch?
What is it called matt You know the name, isn't
it called Sasquatch? The legend of Bigfoot? Yeah, I think

(40:49):
that's about right.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
It's about right. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
From the nineteen seventies. It's where these people do a
horse packing trip into some wilderness area and cougar jumps
on him and all this other stuff. But that they
did a reenactment of the Ape Canyon stuff, and it
was that reenactment that put Mark Mercell on the trail
back in the day. And of course Ron Olson, I'm trying.
I want to get his I want to get the
historical scoop, you know, so to speak from what I understand,

(41:15):
and I could be incorrect, which is why I need
to talk to mister Olson about this. I believe Ron
Olson took over Roger Patterson's Northwest like organization thing that
he'd you know, like his little fan club that he
did back in the day. I believe Ron Olson took
that over from Roger Patterson when Roger passed away. So
I want to find out more about that. He had

(41:36):
like an actual office for Bigfoot stuff. He's the guy
that would put that initiated the Bigfoot trap down down
in Applegate. Oregan he had. He has so much history
in him. He came in the museum one day and
I was actually not even at the museum. Nico I
think called me, or one of my employees, I think

(41:56):
it was Nico called me and said, Hey, some guy
named ron Olsen's here. You know that name, don't you.
When I went, holy crap, hold him down. I'll be
there as soon as I can. And I hopped in
the car and went down and I met him. It
was fantastic, absolutely fantastic. I look forward to meeting him
again and sitting them down and asking them these questions.
I've been saying that for far too long, but again,

(42:16):
my schedule has been pretty tightly.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Yeah, and speaking of the small town monsters, folks, since
you brought up Alex and Eli, like two of my
favorite memories from this year, I participated in two different
productions with them, one of which Seth directed in western
North Carolina that he made a film out of called
The Ancients. That was so much fun to be a
part of. Myself and doctor Russ Jones. For the most part,

(42:38):
the two of us were there for everything, and then
some of our friends came through as like talking heads
like Adam Davies and Micah Hanks and my friend Jeff Carpenter.
But then Alex came out and joined Darryl Callier and
I when we were out in the field in North Georgia.
Daryl and I went out for a week and one
of my favorite places, and Alex came out for the
last few nights. And he's put together a series called
The Appalachian Bigfoot Files and use some of that footage

(43:01):
in the first episode. And I think he's going to
do a Georgia centric one with more of that footage,
but I could be wrong about that either way. That
would hadn't been released yet. But all those small town
monsters folks are so much fun to be around and
always just a joy to work with, and there's no
pressure and it's just like hanging out with great friends.
So and I love the stuff that they shot there
at Mount Hood in the museum, and like Bobo mentioned

(43:23):
that Go Road documentary that Alex recently released, all great stuff.

Speaker 4 (43:27):
What's funny is if you don't like I don't look
at it. I look at the you know, the YouTube
home channel whatever, for like a month or two, I'll
click on it. There's nine new titles you know, in
like six weeks, those guys pump out so much stuff
it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Oh yeah, they're super productive. I mean because you've got
that much talent and that many people just sort of
doing their own thing, all under that umbrella of small
town monsters or something for everyone, you know, which is
really great.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Yeah, film with both those guys this year. I guess
they're they're they're planning on something about the NABC, which
would be cool. That's Eli sing And I know Alex
was here. And I think a day or two before
Alex showed up, one of my other employees, Dave, ran
into a sasquatch up there. He was up there with
some friends of his, some of the researchers, and something

(44:14):
was knocking at him pretty close. And again, Dave's the
skeptic in our crowd. You know, he's the guy I've
told talked about him in the podcast before. If Dave
thinks something is true, it probably is because he'll look
at footprints and go, well, that one's a great one.
That one's a great one. The next one, I don't
know if that's one, but the one after that is
a great one too. So it was like number three.
You doubt at a four. Come on, man, he's super,

(44:35):
super skeptical, so if something convinces him, something is going on.
So I know, Alex and I went out with Dave
to the spot I think a day or two after
he ran into those things, and we filmed out there.
I haven't seen it or anything like that, but it's
out there if people can go watch it. I know
we found footprints while we're out there. Hopefully that made
the cut. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Yeah, everyone who listens to this podcast should be subscribed
to Small Town Monsters on YouTube. They just do great staff.
I imagine most of them already are.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (45:03):
Probably stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff
and Bogo. We'll be right back after these messages. Of course,
at the museum again, we rounded out the end of
the year. Michael Freeman came down did a presentation, a
brand new presentation just for the NABC members. I was

(45:26):
in November, and of course we're looking forward to the
museum getting our hands on and becoming the curators of
the Paul Freeman Collection when doctor Meldrum retires. So we're
looking forward to that, and we made an arrangement with
Michael Freeman, so we'll be the caretakers of those casts,
the originals. We already have several of the original Freeman
casts in the museum in various displays, so people can

(45:49):
combine and see those in.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Whatever they like. But yeah, Michael and I continue to
be very very good friends and kind of plowing ahead
and trying to make some plans about some possible projects
in the future. As they come to fruition. I'll be
able to share things with people here in the podcast.
I guess that's looking forward to twenty twenty five though,
I guess very cool.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
I know we're going to talk about some things we're
looking forward to in twenty twenty five over at the
members section on the Bonus podcast there. We did that
last year and I went back and listened to that
in preparation for this and some of the things we
were anticipating that we're still kind of waiting on, you know,
not our own projects, but projects other people are working on.
So we're going to endeavor to get those people back

(46:29):
on Bigfoot and beyond to maybe give us updates on
a few of those projects.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
I can say this, We've got James Fox coming up
in a few.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Weeks people love that documentary. I haven't gotten to see
it yet, but a good friend of mine just watched
it and said it was amazing.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Oh, it's that. What is it called?

Speaker 1 (46:43):
It's out, It's called the program.

Speaker 4 (46:45):
But you gotta have a like not who is something
like that? Yeah, there's some like one of those sign
up services.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Yeah, it's on any of the video on demand services
like Apple Movies or Apple TV, Amazon Prime Video. Yeah,
all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
Oh, I thought I was only on one thing.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
No, No, it's it's available for purchase and then in
two weeks from the release date, I think it'll be
available for rent, but you could you could purchase it
right now through Amazon, Apple, a lot of those big ones.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Well, I've been discussing. I mean, I normally wouldn't say
what I think is going to happen in the future,
because I'm very often incorrect about that stuff. But several
times over the last month or two, Darby has reached
out to me and mentioned the podcast. I haven't forgotten Cliff,
and we want to set outside a date and we
want to do this. He wants to come back on
and just even if it's a twenty minute update, just

(47:35):
give us an update. On how that North Carolina study
is going any of the interesting things about it, because
you know, the Bigfoot community in general is rather impatient
about these things. He gets a lot of emails saying,
what's up with this? How comes whatever? And it's even
to the point where some people are thinking that the
whole thing's fake because nothing has happened yet, when the
fact is science happens very slowly.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
He told us three to four years, he said, he
goes to three to four years.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Apparently the Bigfoot community didn't get the message, you know,
because they're they're you know, sending him emails constantly and saying,
what is up with this? What is up with this?
So Darby said that as soon as he gets a
little bit of time, and maybe even soon. Actually I
think he might be on that winter break, but he
does have family obligations. But he has not forgotten. He
mentions it to me probably every two or three weeks.

(48:21):
I haven't forgot about the podcast. I still want to
come on. You guys are going to be the people
that we want to go on with and talk about
the projects and stuff. So that we will be getting
an update from Darby probably in the next month or
two I think.

Speaker 4 (48:32):
Well, unfortunately, everyone wants to get academic and like scientific
recognition and you know, involvement. It's like, well this, you
got it. This is what real science is like. It's
not like to start yelling all your early results or
you know, like what you suspect. It's they're doing the
real professional academics scientific protocol.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Yeah, and he's extraordinarily, extraordinarily conservative about this, as he
should be if you rush out of study like this.
And if he gets any positive results, I don't even
know if he has. I know he's got some interesting results,
but I don't know if he's got any positive results.
So and you have to be so cautious because if
he's if if any of this screws up, you know,

(49:11):
like a false positive is put out there, it's going
to do more damage and good and that's the last
thing he wants to do. So we'll be getting some
sort of update at some point.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
That'd be great. I know a lot of listeners are
looking forward to that because we get a lot of
emails about it, so that's good news.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
So yeah, twenty twenty four has been a great year. Busy, busy.
I hope to be a little less busy next time,
but still I'm busy with bigfoot stuff. So have that
going to be I hope twenty twenty five it produces
a few more sightings I was. We're a little low
on local sidings in my opinion, you know, three or
four or five maybe or something like that. I'd like
to have maybe one a month. First year or two

(49:47):
of the museum. We're getting about about one a month.
I think we got nine or something local sightings the
first year, so a little less than one a month.
I hope that picks up a little bit. But I
can't complain as far as footprints go, and I certainly
can't complain with as much as I've been getting out
and finding footprints independently of anybody else. So that's always
a good sign. When you find a footprint and nobody
told you what was there, you could be fairly sure

(50:09):
it's a reasonable chance that it's not faked.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
So there's that.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
So hopefully we'll just keep gathering more data and building
a mountain of data to stand upon and try to
draw some conclusions out of this, out of these things
to see where they go, where they move, And as
long as I'm out there once or twice a week.
You never know, and it might stumble acron upon one
of these things. And there is not a day I
go out that I don't walk around with the camera
literally in my hand. So if I can get footage

(50:34):
this year, that'd be awesome.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
Leave the camera at home, clip and have a sighting.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Now, how would you feel about if you saw one
and I forgot the camera that day.

Speaker 4 (50:45):
I do not expect to ever film one during the daytime.
Only chances are the therm at night.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Well, I know a guy who's seen him three times
during the daytime in my area in thirteen months.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
It's so quick, though, I'd never get the camera ready.
I mean, it's always so fat, you know, it's like
that's till I got that stuff trying to get together,
turn it on, get it focused, and be like gone.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
That's why I carry it in my hand and not
my backpack.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
But what would have a camera that only works when
he's in his truck and it's connected to Bluetooth.

Speaker 4 (51:11):
He's all right, folks, Thanks again for tuning in to
Bigfoot and Beyond. We appreciate you spending another year with us,
and we're gonna get over to our Patreon section for
our members and continue on the fest over there. And
so you guys, thanks again, have a happy New Year
or squatchy one and keep it squatchy.

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