John Gerardi Guest Hosts - Clearing up the Immigration Myths Spread by a Local Left Wing Newspaper

Speaker 1 (00:00):
We got immigration stuff. We got high gas prices as
people are getting ready to travel for the Fourth of
July holiday, We're gonna talk about immigration stuff. It's gonna
cost the San Joaquin Valley more than nineteen billion dollars
if President Trump carries on his aggressive immigration enforcement efforts

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in the San Joaquin Valley, or is it. I am
not Trevor Carrey. I am John Girardi filling in for
Trevor today. Thank you all so much for tuning in.
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Speaker 2 (00:54):
There we go.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
All right, I want to talk about immigration stuff, and
this story from the Fresno Bee yesterday, and I'm only
using this just not because it's particularly interesting, but just
as why do liberals make Why do liberals draw the
conclusions that they do from stories about illegal immigration? So

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here's the piece was written by Marina Pana. This is
in the Fresno b Mass deportations could cost the San
Jauquin Valley more than nineteen billion dollars, study fines. Now,
this study is not exactly shocking or earth shattering. A
lot of the labor force in agriculture in the San

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Joaquin Valley is illegal aliens. If you deport them all,
that will impact costs. It's going to lessen the amount
of labor. It's going to lead to increased costs. It's
going to be bad. And the overall net economic impact
of aggressive deportations of nillegal labor could wind up costing

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nineteen billion dollars according to this survey. Now, I have
my skepticism about this survey in a number of respects.
The data comes from a collaborative study by yusiemer Said
and the Bay Area Council Economic Institute exploring the potential
economic impact of mass deportation in California. California overall risks

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losing two hundred and seventy five billion dollars in gross
domestic product without undocumented workers. The research is based on
federal data economic modeling, and this is where things get
a little squishy nearly forty interviews with business leaders, elected officials,
and drum roll, if you will, community advocates from across

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the state. That's not exactly hard data. Maria Elaine Young
that this is the other thing.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
It gives me pause.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
The study was done by Maria Elena Young, an assistant
professor of public health at you Seemer said, who led
the study. Why is an economic study being done by
an assistant professor of public health? Have you noticed this
since COVID that people who are like have a master's

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in public health or professors of public health whatever, they
all of a sudden think that they are able to
pontificate on essentially everything. I mean, the economic impact of
deportation doesn't really feel like to me. This is something
that has to do with public health. There are also
some stereotypes about people with Masters of public health degrees

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relative to like, actual doctors, and whether or not everyone
with a master's of public health degree has a rejection
letter from medical school. I will not treat in such petty,
mean stereotyping. I have no idea it's true or not. Anyway,
let me continue. So I have my skepticism about this,

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but again, the results are not shocking. Businesses, particularly in agriculture, construction,
hospitality industry, utilize the illegal labor. They rely on immigrants
who are in the country illegally. They pay them. Those

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immigrants provide a lot of labor. To lose out on
that workforce could result in lessened GDP. All right, not
exactly a crazy conclusion to draw. What I What I
don't get is the conclusion that's drawn after that. So

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getting rid of illegal immigrant labor will hurt the economy. Ergo,
Donald Trump is a bad guy. Ergo. Enforcement of America's
immigration laws is a bad idea, ergo, stemming the tide
of whether it was we had unrestricted illegal immigration, having

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some restrictions on legal immigration. All of that is bad.
Deporting people is bad. And I don't understand why that
is the conclusion to draw rather than this, Where is
the blame that is given to business owners who set

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up their businesses in a fashion to depend on immigrant
labor who inherently you can get away with paying them less.
And especially when this critique is coming from liberals. Right,
let's take a step back. The Democratic Party in America,

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the movement of liberalism in America, modern day left liberalism
a foundational cornerstone of it was being pro labor. What
was FDR if not pro labor. Labor unions were the
cornerstone of the Democratic Party for forever. There's still the
cornerstone of the Democratic Party here in California, particularly public

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sector unions. And the whole idea is an individual worker
negotiating against a big corporate entity, has very little bargaining
negotiating power to advocate for him or herself, to advocate
for a fair wage, to advocate for good working conditions,
to advocate for fair hours, et cetera. And that worker

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needs a job more than management needs that worker, very often,
especially if it's unskilled labor, even skilled labor, where you know,
mister Ford can look at this one individual guy who's
working the line at the Ford Motor Company and who says, hey,
I think I deserve a raise and I think our
working conditions aren't very safe, mister Ford and say, okay,

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I'm firing you, and I will hire anyone else. So
the idea of a labor union is, hey, let's have
the whole workforce pull our resources and efforts together so
that we can collectively bargain with management. Because united together,

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we have a lot more leverage and negotiation with management
than we do if we're all just individually trying to
do it. Because if we all have the ultimate bargaining
chip you have is the walkout is a strike. No
one will make money. It's bad for all of us.
And you may not need any one individual of us,

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but you do need the whole workforce. And with that,
you have two competing sides, with two competing sets of interest,
and labor unions have I think it's fair to argue
that real household income increased in America as labor unions
got stronger. A guy working the line at General Motors
or Ford Motor Company in Detroit was able to support
a family of five and have an house and you know,

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white pickut fence, et cetera. And as the power of
labor unions waned in America over the last thirty forty years,
we've seen real household income go down, costs go up
for all kinds of things, housing, healthcare, college, et cetera.

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As these big companies offloaded their jobs, they're manufacturing away
from America towards China, towards other countries where they don't
have to pay with the workers as much. Now, that
was the story of Detroit, was the story of American
workers unionizing, getting paid fair amounts to make great American products.

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And no one ever talked about in Detroit that, oh,
you know, we need more Canadian illegal labor, we need
these Canadians to do the jobs that Americans aren't willing
to do. Well, that wasn't really happening. We weren't near Mexico.
Canada had a kind of higher standard of living at
the time than Mexico did, so Canadians weren't desperate for

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the economic opportunity of America. And we had this amazing
industry built on the backs of very industrious, very hard
working people who got paid pretty fairly. Agriculture in California,
agriculture in the American South and Southwest had Mexico right there,

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which was a much worse economic situation than America, and
thus was able to develop this industry that was totally
reliant on immigrant labor. And what's the difference between immigrant
labor versus American labor both legal and illegal. By the way,
let me point this out. Let's describe the difference. Okay,

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you're in America on an H one B visa, an
H one B visa is a specific kind of visa
that allows you to do certain kinds of high level
technical jobs. There are a lot of engineers from India
who are working for American companies with an H one
B visa. All right, your boss kind of cuts corners

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and you know, skimps on your pay. You know, you
worked a couple extra hours of overtime and he didn't
account for it, he didn't pay you, and you go
and complain to him and say, hey, you're you're violating
labor law. You're not paying me time and a half
for I'm working over eight hours and you're not paying
me time and a half. Oh, I'm sorry. You're an
at will employee. So we've decided to let you go.

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And guess what, you only have your H one B visa.
You're only able to still be in America as long
as you hold that job. So the minute you get fired,
you're not just you know, going on to indeed dot
com and looking for another job in San Francisco or something.
You're going back to India. Good luck, buddy. And that's

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with legal immigration. That's what n H one B visa,
which is like the krem De la creme of the
kind of work visa that you can have. What about
someone who's in the country, who's not even in the
country illegally, who's not even in the country legally. Rather,
are you gonna complain if you get you know, cheated
out of wages? Are you gonna complain if your working

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conditions are terrible? Are you gonna complain? You know, are
you gonna try to make a stink and tick off
your boss by trying to unionize. No, you're not even
in the country legally. You don't want to stick your
head above the water. You're you're trying to just get by.
Maybe you're in the country and this was I think

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farm workers, especially in the Sanjuakan Valley, have kind of
a range of different situations that they're in. Some of
them are here legally, but it's a work visa and
they got to kind of keep a job. Some might
be here because they overstayed a visa and they're now
now no longer here legally. Some might have genuinely come

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across the border illegally. Some might have come across the
border illegally as kids. I don't know, you know, everyone
could be in a different situation. But the last thing
you want to do is really draw attention to yourself.
If the only reason you're here is because of a job,
it gives employers a huge advantage over you. Now, I
am not saying that every farmer treats his farm workers

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like crap, abuses them, mistreats them, et cetera. But in
the aggregate, let's be real here, it's a whole industry
that's depends that uses immigrant labor and would have to
pay more if that labor wasn't immigrants. And this is

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the thing that that just befuddles me about the liberal
the whole liberal posture on immigration. Massive corporations and corporate
farms especially are becoming more and more of the thing
as small time family farms can't sustain the kind of
costs and regulatory burden that California imposes, especially, so you

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see more you see a consolidation in agriculture to larger
and larger farms, larger and larger scale owned by massive corporations.
Huge corporations are benefiting from cheaper labor. Why is there

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And and here's Donald Trump saying, I think we have
let in illegally way too many people. We need to
enforce our immigration laws. Why is the conclusion that Trump's
the bad guy as opposed to, Hey, here huge corporations
getting rich off the backs literally figuratively, the figuratively they're

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literally I mean they are doing back heavy labor caring
things whatever, on the backs of immigrants. I don't understand
how liberals whole, the whole mission identity, et cetera of
the Democratic Party was for the working class against corporate interest.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
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Speaker 1 (14:42):
I said, it seems like we always have this weird
dynamic of Republicans want to actually enforce American immigration law.
Liberals act like the evil Republicans who want to enforce
immigration law are the bad guys in sp out of
the fact that the chief constituency that benefits from unrestricted immigration,

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both both legal and illegal, by the way, that has
a relationship to both of these is massive corporate interests
who want to hire immigrant labor, whether legal or illegal,
because on the whole they can get away with paying
them less. And yet the party that allegedly represented the
rights the interests of the American worker for decades, decades, decades,

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does not care about that they fundamental in spite of
the fact that Caesar Chavez very much did care about that.
There are some pretty wild stories about how much Caesar
Javas did not like illegal aliens. And the only thing
I can think of is one or two things. One
raw political power seeking, the thought that if we bring

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in huge numbers of immigrants from Mexico or wherever immigrants
tend to be more reliant on social services from the government,
the Democratic Party will always outbid the Republican Party as
far as social welfare services orgo. We bring as many
of them as in as we can, we finally get

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some dup Republican like Reagan to give some kind of amnesty,
they get on the road to citizenship, and they start
voting for Democrats for forever.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Now.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
President Trump has kind of shown one of the flaws
of that system after he did historically well for a
Republican with the Latino vote, that by the time they
get to the second or third generation, Latinos are not
necessarily all voting for Democrats. But the other reason that
I can think of is is some kind of weird
like college campus colonialist thing. Anti colonialism is like very

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much the driving mindset for so much of the left nowadays, intersectionality,
the kind of dominant prevailing liberal viewpoint, is all about
kind of categorizing people's into groups of oppressed versus a presser.
So if you're gay, you're oppressed. If you're straight, you're oppressor.

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If you're woman, you're oppressed. Man, you're oppressor. If you're white,
you're oppressor. If you're not white, you're oppressed. And they
apply this lens even to situations that where it doesn't
even very much squarely make sense, like Israelis are white
and Palestinians are persons of color. That seems very like

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a big time stretch if you ask me, the the
idea that a racial dynamic is really what's happening there.
And there's a decent amount of talk about American immigration
on the far left of this is occupied land. The
United States stole this land from righteously owned by Mexican Mexico,

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and we're taking it. But how can you steal stolen land,
and this kind of nonsense, which it really feels like
liberals cutting off their nose despite their face, Like in
the interest of this bizarre attitude, they are harming American
workers and they're letting big time, big time mundied interests

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getting a get away with paying workers a lot less
than they ordinarily would. I mean, it's the weird horseshoe
effect of immigration as a political policy that the two
groups that support it, that support you know, unrestricted illegal
immigration letting you know, unrestricted immigration more or less are

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the far left and the libertarian right. The libertarian right
that's basically like, we want to maximize profit for capital.
We hate all labor unions. We want as much laisay
fair capitalism as we possi we can. We don't like
labor unions, we never have liked labor unions. We want
to maximize profits for ownership for capital. And it's this

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bizarre thing where liberals think they're striking some blow for
the little guy by you know, opposing a stricter immigration
enforcement with when, if anything, the main person they're benefiting.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
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Speaker 2 (19:25):
OH.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
Council of Governments, a body composed of representatives from a
bunch of city governments and county government throughout Fresno County,
have hatched a deal with local left wing nonprofit groups
to have a steering Committee recommending proposals for how to
spend measure see money. Measures C is a president county

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tax for roads for transportation. These liberal nonprofit groups have
a huge, outsized sway over the process, and here to
talk with us about it is Fresno County Supervisor Gary Bretdfeld.
Welcome to the show. Gary, Oh, thank you for Yeah. Absolutely, Well,
so i'll kind of maybe I'll see the floor to
you at least just to describe what has happened. Sure, so,

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we had Measure C, the roads tax. It was up
for renewal in twenty twenty two. It got defeated. There's
a desire among city and county governments to renew it,
but there's basically these huge concessions being made to the
process for these left wing nonprofit groups. So why don't
you seed the floor to you.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
We had Measure C since nineteen eighty six for twenty years.
That got renewed again in two thousand and six. It's
up for another vote in twenty six next year. If
it doesn't pass, we'll lose it. And this brings billions
of dollars into the community to fix roads and highways,
which is what it's done. Mainly highways in the past.

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There's a process the Council of Governments made up of
fifteen mayors in the county as well as a representative
from the county, and they are responsible for coming up
with a plan for the new renewed Measure C that
will be voted on next year. And everybody has a
member that's part of a steering committee that they've created.

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Each mayor gets one member, except the City of Fresno,
because there's fifty three percent of the people in the
City of Fresno that covers the county. Mayor DIYer got
three appointments. And there are a couple of community groups
that be Building Industry Association, the Chamber of Commerce, Tree Fresno,
a bicycle group, a labor group. Each one of those

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got one member. Okay, then you have these other groups.
They're the leftists, the radicals I call them, made up
of building Healthy Communities and Justice and Accountability for whatever leadership.
Council for Justice and Accountability, Yes, and Ashley schwer Engen's group,
she's got a Building a Community Foundation. And they demanded

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of COG this this council group that they're they wanted
twelve members appointed to the steering committee. There was initially
twenty six members. They wanted twelve. Why would they get twelve.
They should never have gotten twelve. The reason why they
got twelve was because they were instrumental in helping defeat
the measure. In twenty twenty two, they've threatened that they

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would bring another competing measure by collecting signatures, which would
only require fifty percent of the people plus one vote
if it goes. If the measure goes before the county
Board of Supervisors and they put it on the agenda,
requires two third vote, obviously much harder. So because of
that threat over this tech of government, they succeed. They

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acquiesced and gave them twelve members on this steering committee.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Okay, so Measure C in order to get renewed. I
knew it was a higher threshold than fifty percent, but
so it's actually you need two thirds to the county
to vote in favor of measure.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
If it's brought forward by the Board of Supervisors, it
would be two thirds vote. Okay.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
But if this group of different community organizations, nonprofits, if
they propose about initiative or a different kind of tax,
they would only need to get fifty percent plus.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
One if they collect enough enough signatures.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yes, okay, all right, that's that's good news. So that
is a pretty serious threat.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Totally.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yeah. Now, I guess the question is, though, So what's
happened is the Council of Government has kind of mollified
this threat by giving this group there's various left wing
organizations twelve out of a total thirty eight seats on
this steering committee. So the steering Committee gives proposals for

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how to spend County Roads money, and then the Council
of Governments votes yay or.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Nay, yeah, or can make change or you can do
whatever they want. Okay, but yes, they make the plan
that they present to the cock Okay.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
So what is the difference of opinion then as far
as how county roads money should be spent? What is
the difference between, say, what you are trying to prioritize
Gary Bredefeld as opposed to oh, what's her face? The
Sandra Seladon from Fresno building healthy Communities is one of
the people who's, you know, a big power broker here.
What is the difference between what you want to prioritize

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versus what she wants to prioritize.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Well, first of all, I call her burn it Down Sandra,
because she tweeted during the riots in Minneapolis, when the
police department was burning down, she tweeted, burn it down.
So that'll give you a clue as day how radical
she is.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
And then we made her the vice chair of our
police reform Commission that was.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Which was completely insane, right all right, anyway, Okay, aside
from that, so that's who we're dealing with, the folks
like that. Okay, what I have said, you know, I
just as you know, just got off a campaign where
I walked this district for a year and a half.
It's Northeast Fresno, northwest Fresno, and a portion of clothes
to Minneuola. That is where measures she failed. And I

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walked to twenty one thousand doors. I talked to thousands
of people. I don't need a I did the poll.
People want their roads and streets fixed. They've been promised
for decades that the streets and roads will be fixed,
and they've been lied to. And I've said eighty percent
of any money that is allocated for Measure C in
this coming Measure CE has to be neighborhoods, streets and roads. Period.

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You can do the other things, but eighty percent, because
we have to fix it. City of Fresno has one
point three billion dollars in deferred road maintenance. The county's
got over a billion dollars. There's nothing that's going to
fix that except measure CE. Sure, these folks want other things.
They want less than eighty percent. They want bike lanes
and car pools and van pools and you know, climate

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issues and things of that sort. That may be interesting,
but that's not what people want. Who are going to
pay the bills? Okay?

Speaker 1 (25:47):
And you know one question, Actually my wife was raising
this question to me. I realized I didn't know. Is
there anything in the text of Measure C itself that's
sort of demanding about how the money needs to be allocated?
Or is it kind of at the discretion of the
Council of Governments, or how is how is the actual
what is the actual direction that the text of measures

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is give.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
That's what the Steering Committee is going to be bringing forward.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
So that the Steering Committee's drafting the new measures, drafting.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
It and bringing it to the Council of Governments, who
will make the final decision, and that's why this is
so important. And that's why when they bowed down before
this group and gave them twelve people, which is about
a third of the vote on this, it was significant
and there's no reason to have done it except they
just caved.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
Right, So let me ask you. So it seems like
the structure is the steering committee. You need seventy percent
agreement on the Steering Committee in order to advance a
proposal to the Council of Governments. Correct, the liberal groups
have thirty one percent of the votes, so they effectively
have veto power yes over what's going to happen. Correct, Right,

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So are you My sort of thought on it was, well,
we either pass a measure C that's just completely what
they want, or they'll run a competing bill to try
to get what they want. So what's the point of
including them in the process anyway if they're just if
they don't get what they want, they're just going to
take their ball and go home.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
You just laid it out, and that's exactly what they did,
and they threatened with you know, will run our competing measure.
We've got the number came up four hundred thousand, we'll
do it to pay people to get signatures, and so
you got to fight back instead. The majority of these
folks came. Now, the mayor of Kingsburg, Readley Selma, along

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with me, voted no and said and they.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Stood up, you're there as the representative of the county
Board of Supervisors.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Correct and have the backing of the board. I believe
I do. Okay, I believe I do.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
Yeah, well, and I guess I want to ask this
so this I feel like this issue of if it's
a community sponsored local tax ballot initiative, it only needs
this fifty percent threshold. If it's coming from the county, though,
it needs a two thirds majority. Has there been any
thought of is there some work around that? I mean,

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obviously the county can't just like, oh, the county employee
on his private time just all of a sudden is
going out and collecting you know, Bob Smith, County employees
going out collecting signatures for Measure CEA independently without the county.
Is there any way for you guys to get around
the sixty six percent vote thresholder now? Otherwise I just
feel like this, this threat from the liberal groups is

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really powerful.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Well, there may be other people in the community who
are more conservative who may decide to run their own
ballad initiative, And that's a possibility too, because they recognize
that roads and streets need to be focused on in
a dramatic way. So we'll see if that happens. You know,
whatever it is, as far as I'm concerned, eighty percent's

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got to go to fix the streets and roads. If
it's a measure that's put on by a private citizen
group that I believe in, okay, and if it's their
group and it's not that I'm going to oppose them, sure,
And so that's really what it comes down to. Measure
C is very important. We need to have this pass
and we'll see what it goes.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Well yeah, well and maybe again, I guess that was
my next question, Like, I have a sort of as
if you mentioned that a big percentage of your district,
your your county region voted against Measure C, and your
county region is probably maybe one of the most more
conservative regions of the county. What would be your pitch

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to conservatives who have been raised on kind of rushling
baw and all taxes are bad and vote against every tax,
like what would be your pitch to them.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
The pitch is that you want your streets and roads fixed. Absolutely,
You've been promised it forever. Measure C, if done correctly,
will assure that your roads and streets will get fixed
if the money is allocated where it needs to go.
If it's not, I'm not going to support it because
I'm I'm opposed to tax measures as well, but I
understand Measure C is important. We've needed highways, we've needed roads,

(30:02):
and Measure C has served that purpose and it's done
it for forty years. So it's been a good thing
for the community as the community has grown, and we
know that Fresno County has grown and will continue to grow.
So we don't want to turn our back onto Measure C.
It's been renewed once before. I'd like to see it
renewed again, but it's got to be renewed where it's
fixing people's streets and not this left wing, esoteric boloney.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Well, and I guess that's I don't want to ask
you to negotiate against yourself on live radio. But I've
heard you say eighty percent. I heard Jerry Dyer say
fifty percent. Is there some kind of threshold that you
got to get to. That Again, I don't want you
necessarily to commit yourself on air if you don't want to.
But I'm just wondering if there's some range that, you know,
maybe it's more of a tough call.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
No, When I say roads, it's got to include neighborhood streets,
it's got to clude roads that lead into neighborhoods. And
I don't think, frankly, that the mayor and I are
really off. When he says streets, he's probably talking the
actual streets in the neighborhoods. So he's probably talking, you know,
another thirty percent for the very same things I'm talking about. Okay,

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So I don't think we are at all at odds.
I think we're on the same page. It's it's the
radicals that we're not on the same page with.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Sounds good, all right, President County Supervisor Gary Brettefel, Thank
you Gary for explaining that.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
I think this is one of the This is.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
The Trevor Cherry Show on the Valley's Power.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Talks, huge outsized influence to left wing nonprofit groups locally
like Fresnow Building Healthy Communities under Sandra Saladan, who by
the way is running for the State Assembly as a Democrat,
of course, and leadership Council for Justice and Accountability, giving
them over thirty percent of the vote on this steering

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committee that's going to be drafting the next version of
Measure C. The thing about these groups, and what I
don't exactly know about this, what often happens with these
left wing groups is and the kinds of groups I'm
talking about, are these groups that hang out around any
local government entities, any local governmental body, county, board of supervisors, president,

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city council, president, Unified Board of Trustees, the Fresno Housing Authority.
They've even tried to hang out there, and now most recently,
I guess the presdent council governments. They hang out around
these local government entities, these local government bodies like vultures,
blood dripping from their beaks as they look at the

(32:33):
wounded animal of some local government that needs that, that
it's having some kind of controversy, and they say, oh,
we can help you, we can help all we have
this all truistic liberal desire for some kind of policy proposal.
With President Unified back in the you know, immediate post

(32:56):
George Floyd Arrows, we should get rid of all policing
at PRESN Unified. We should get rid of the police
contract for the City of Fresno Housing Authority. But you
know what we could also do is that we can
to replace that. We can provide conflict resolution specialists as
long as the city or there are the Fresno Unified

(33:19):
Board of Trustees or the Presno Housing Authority, whatever, as
long as they give us a nice little contract so
that we can provide conflict resolution specialists who can replace
the police force. Because that's always the thing with these groups. Look,
nonprofit's got to make money. I know, I have two

(33:40):
nonprofits that I fund raised for a right. Nonprofit's got
to make money. And the way you make money is
doing stuff. And if you can get a government contract, hah,
that's nice because that's OPM other people's money. People are
a little more free with OPM than they are with
their own sticking money. And that's always what seems to

(34:03):
happen with these nonprofit these left wing nonprofit groups. They
come with this veneer of oh, all this facade of oh,
we just want to do some altruistic liberal thing. We
you know, we gotta give rid of police, police presence
in communities of colors harmful and overincarceration. And what we
really need are conflict resolution specialists, which we can provide

(34:25):
if you just give us a nice, big, fat taxpayer
funded contract. There's always an ask at the end. And
that's the thing I can't quite figure out quite yet
with this Measure CE thing is there's got to be
some kind of ask. I don't know exactly what it is,
but I'm gonna bet dollars to donuts if their version

(34:48):
of Measure C becomes the proposal and their version of
Measure C gets on the ballot and their version of
Measures C is success or maybe they do a.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Competing version to measure see.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
I trust me. I just can feel it in my bones. Somehow,
some way, Fresno Building, Healthy Communities, Leadership Council for Justice
and Accountability, Faith in the Valle, all these different lefty
nonprofit groups, somehow they're gonna benefit from this. Now, maybe

(35:25):
it's just some environmentalist thing, I mean, Leadership Council for
Justice and Accountability, you know. Famously, the greatest example of
the stupidest sequel lawsuit of all time was when Leadership
Council for Justice and Accountability sued to stop a hydrogen
power plant from being built in Pixley because they thought
it would make too much truck pollution.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
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