Thinking Sideways: Fairies

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Thinking Sideways. I don't know stories of things we simply
don't know the answer too. Well, Hi there, thanks for
joining us. This is Thinking Sideways and I'm Steve as

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always enjoying my my co host, and this week we're
going to talk about something a little different, which, by
the way, seems to now be my m O. That's
something you're talking about the weird crap. I'm pulling out
some kind of strange things and I don't know why
I've been on that, but I think you're tired of

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talking about murders. But this isn't uns which we are
going to solve. Well, yeah, we're going to definitively solve
this one. As Joe would say, well, what should open
like a walnut? What mysteries that say? We're going to
solve fairies? Though? Really, this no, no, this is this

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is not an April Fool's joke, because well April was
a couple of months ago and you realized that the
fairies do exist and they hear this podcast. I am
on the list. We're gonna wake up with horses heads
in our beds like that, a little tiny unicorn heads
like the unicorn may be kind of ironic as they
said that said that that's threatening signal to us, and

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we woke up in the morning sort of just brushed
off on the floor. Oh we're gonna die with tiny death.
Al Right, well, let's let's get into the story. The
story is. And I don't know if either of you
saw wouldn't happen, or any of our listeners, But in April,
a series of photos started going around that we're claiming

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to have captured images of fairies on film. Yeah. Yeah,
it was a set of photographs. It was taken by
a guy named John Hyatt something. It is a professor
that is correct like that, you know, I knew it
And as soon as you asked me, I can't remember
what he's a professor of, but he's uh, he was

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at the Rossendale Valley which is in Lancashire, which is
in England. And I did I say that la Lancashure,
Thank you. I knew I said it wrong as soon
as I did it. I know according to Mr Hyatt,
the photographs, he didn't fake them, he didn't photoshop him.

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They're completely real and it's it's funny. But as I
as I looked at these images, it kind of made
me think back to all of the stories that I
think we've all heard when we were kids about fairies,
and I thought, well, let's take a look at the
images and at the same time, let's kind of look
into fairies and see what the deal is, because they're

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they're a little weird, because they're these itsy bitsy things
that fly around and do good deeds with wands. It's
kind of strange. And they're come in all sizes. Apparently
they're up to a foot tall the size of gnats
like in this picture. That is very true. They're not
all good either. No, no, I'm afraid they're not. Uh So, here,

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let me just give a brief description of the photos
that we're talking about, because that will kind of give
everybody a little context pictures of course, on the website.
On the website, yes, and these are Hyatt's photos, and
they show about a dozen or so little quote unquote creatures,
winged creatures flying about. They seem to have two little

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human arms, two little human legs, and a little human
ish head and some insect wings and they are it's
the light is kind of shining towards the camera, so
they're a little, very little bit their backwards started and
their emotions, so they're little blurry. Yeah, so it is.

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It's it's kind of hard to tell exactly what you're
looking at. The city is like buy out, by the way,
just so or so answropomorphizing fairies because they exist. They
could just as easily look like jellyfish, jellyfish butterfly wings.
We've missed, they've been misunderstood for just this kind of
gross flying creatures. It's a buzz along and that's sting you.

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Maybe you know mosquitoes are fairies really well, you know
they are jerks, So at least in my opinion, that
the mosquitoes are and they're just trying to be friends
with you? Is that what it is? By sucking the
blood out of me and maybe occasionally leave a parasite behind, jerks,
a little little flying jerks. Well that description, I mean,

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there's a number of photos, but that's kind of a
good basic description of the photos. And that's all we know,
that's all we see of. But the internet is on
fire over there. The Internet is twitter about these fairies.
So before we get too much into the photos, let's
let's kind of break down the fairies a little bit

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and some theories about what fairies are and where they
come from. Let's break down fairies. Let's break down fairies
underneath our shoe. Um, there's there, there's Basically this is easy.
There's two theories. They're real or they're not makes sense,
that's really really easy, straightforward. It could be that fairies
are real but just not on this planet, or they

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don't have magical powers. And Joe, Joe, You're you're getting weird,
and there's a thousand little series. I'm I'm I'm putting
these under this? Can we just go with the big
headings of real or not real? And then that's followed
by well, if they're real, what the heck are they?
Where are those little boggers? Really? Maybe bugs? But oh no,
I'm sorry, I'm getting ahead of myself. So, as I

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was doing the research, evidently there's a lot of information
on the Internet about how to find fairies, which I
didn't realize there was so much out there for this
particular mythical creature. Google Maps obviously, yelp, Google maps. Is
this one of their new side projects? Probably? Just going

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there and type in pack of fairies comes up, all right, Well,
what I've read says first off to find fairies, you
have to actually believe in them. So if you don't
believe in them, you're you're out of luck, which might
explain why I've never seen a fairy before, because they
won't show themselves to nonbelievers. I know, it's not right

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and like non inclusive on their parts. Yeah, really really
single minded. But no, and then only if you're at
the right place at the right time will they show themselves.
And there's there's very specific places that you have to
be in order to see the fairies, Okay, like like where, well,

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there's a ring of toadstools. This, this is gonna be
a lot of rings, by the way, A ring of toadstools,
a ring of trees, a ring of dark grass. You know,
sometimes in your lawn you'll see that weird darker ring
and then the grass will grow taller. And I think
Joe once commented that that's always where you find how
did you put that a little depositive, Yeah, which I

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don't I don't know it's from the fairies necessarily, probably not,
maybe you know, maybe they do, you know, maybe they
just like their sewage system. Yeah, anyway, a ring of stones, uh,
And and one of the things about the rings, is
what I was doing all this reading. Is people really

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warn you not to go into the rings. Yeah, it's
kind of like the light evidently, and Poulter, guys don't
go into the light because you go into the light,
I mean in the ring, and the fairies meet you,
and you dance with the fairies and I guess they
take your mind to fairyland and then your body will
just stay there and rotten, die cool. I don't know.

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I guess if you're off in fairyland, then what the hell? Yeah,
it's it's kind of it really makes me think of
Grim's Tails kind of fairy tale, you know, creatures and
all by the way, those lovely creatures kill you and
they neat you. Yeah, back of the days when fairy
tales were a lot more edgy and yeah yeah really
really just but yeah so but but anyway, you're safe

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to go into these rings if you don't believe in fairies,
because they won't show themselves to them. Over with your hownmower, Yeah,
hard to mow over rocks. Oh yeah, there's the rocks. Yeah,
but there are apparently other places to find fairies. There are,
so you know, when I was a kid, it was
fairy houses, which are like big trees in the forest
with like really big roots kind of like more decrepit ones. Oh,

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you mean like like the big exposed roots of sums
kind of on a knob or a knoll or something.
For the ones that had fallen over or been cut
over and the like stumps were still there and they
were like really degraded with like lots of little holes
that looked like doorways. That's the place to find fairies, right,
that is that's totally one of the places. Yeah, it's
it's in old trees with big roots or these these

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mounds or knobs, and it's great. They even say, oh
and if there's toadstools around it, you definitely know you
found a fairy compound. So Portland, Oregon, Yeah, because we
have mushrooms all over. The best answer ever that I
found when I was looking for how to find fairies

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the astral plane. That makes sense because it's totally that's right.
They live on another plane of existence, which is why
they're so hard to find because we don't live there.
Evidently it's because they live there and we live here
and they can cross over and so they can show
themselves when they wants. I didn't quite get what the

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astral how the astral plane works. Well, nobody says how
it works well because you clearly are just a simpleton
who doesn't understand the ways of higher thinking on the
astral planes. Well about for you that that could be
accept that. When I did some of the reading, it
was saying that it might not be a bad thing

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that they live on the astral plane, because not all
fairies are really nice. Yeah. As a matter of fact,
fairy supposedly steal children. Yeah, that makes sense, It's totally believable.
Have you ever done a kid that was stolen by
a ferry? Well, well yeah, that's because they're changeling. You
never know get replaced. What are the placing what somebody
else's kid? Or this is this is where I kind

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of call hinky. I would say this, this theory is hinky.
This is where Okay, yeah, all the other stuff we
said for the last ten minutes, that's totally normal, but
this is hinky. Uh. There's there's a lot of legends
saying that fairy steel old children. And what it is
is that evidently they come into a humans home and

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they steal the child and they replace the baby with
another fairy, like a changeling fairy. Yeah, who they might
be a sick fairy who need somebody to take care
of it, or just you know, I just want to
take a couple of weeks off the job, so I'm
just gonna stay here. So does that mean fairies look
like babies or they can just sort of their shape

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shifters shape shifters, And it never says what they do
with the baby. And they saw that, yeah, they probably
just feed him to the pigs or something. But now
you saw that, you saw that photograph that the good
professor took, and look, the fairies look like they're about
the size of gnats. So do you know how many
thousands of fairies it would take to lift that baby
out of his crib and cart him off? That's where

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magic I mean. Okay, so here's just a very easy
accessible example. Is Peter Pan's kind of a fairy, but
not really, but tinker Ball was a fairy. And the
whole lore behind Pure Pan, right, is that tinker Bell
came and found him as an abandoned child and shipped
him off to Neverland with her, and he stopped growing up,
just like the Lost Boys, stopped growing up because they

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always come and take them. Right, So you just add
a little fairy dust and you make that baby think
happy thoughts, and they're gonna fly away fairy dust. Why
didn't I think of that? I don't know, Well, I think,
let's let's they're different. Yeah, and and you know what
ties directly into that, Joe, when you're talking about you
know they're too small to do anything. Is the next

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thing that I looked into is what a fairies look like.
All right, well, we've we've all we all see when
you look around art of fairies, they're all very diminutive,
diminutive with a little gossamer dragonfly wings and bitsy girls,
really beautiful long hair and weird colors. Yeah, that's exactly right. Well,

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the thing is, fairies really weren't shown to have wings
in any kind of illustration or stories until about the
last hundred years. Prior to that, going back to the
Peter Pan thing, they just flew around on their own.
They could just do it about years ago by whom,

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you know, I couldn't find out who first started showing
fairies with wings and why that took off. It's got
to be some turn of the century illustrator who did
it in the printed book? You know everybody. He had
more and more access to books, and so it took off.
But I couldn't ever pin down who started that. But

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you know, maybe maybe it has to do with the
invention of the airplane. Think, oh, you know when was
the airplane invented? Early twentieth century? Okay, well, I guess
that could kind of be right in the right time frame,
that would make sense. But you know, the other thing
is if we think about that typical faery drawing, uh,
it always says that, like I said before, they're a

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little diminutive things. So tinker mount, we'll say, tinker itty
bitsy little little flying person. Yeah, this is again according
to historical legends or lore, the fairy people are of
the lot that is called the little people. So they're
actually not an inch or too high. They were more

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between one to three feet tall, which could explain how
they could easily steal a baby. It's it's like, do
you remember the movie Labyrinth, and and there was the baby,
the baby the baby power? Yes, do what find me
of the babe? That one? Okay, well, if you remember

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all of the little creatures that were in the movie,
and they were you know, little Jim. Yeah, they were
all kind of ugly looking, but they were, you know,
a little bit bigger than the baby, maybe a lot
bigger than the baby, but they were in that range
according to legend and Lord, that's more of what the
little people were like, nasty little they're they're on the
order of elves and goblins and all of those. And

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there's a name for those. It's the elementaries. Yeah, they're
not elementals, but they are like they are of the
cast of elementaries. Yeah, elementaries are like what spirits leftover
from the ancient world. No, elementaries are more of critters
that do things on earth. So fairies are kind of

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for the earth, and then lepri cons had something different.
Elves did something for the forests. And there's like nine
or twelve casts of elementaries and they're mostly kind of
little are Yeah, they're all the little people. They're all
these little, diminutive critters that look like people but heightened
in nature, and so we don't see them unless they

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good or bad reason decided to show themselves to That's why.
You know, when you go camping, sometimes you get up
in the warning and your food has been rated yeah,
those things, because you know, I thought that was raccoons
or ball They always say it's rac raccoons might be
elementary elementaries, yea, elementaries. Yeah, yeah, good, all we know

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they're a little human like, uh yeah, well, and I
think you know, we just hit on the other thing,
which is again we were talking about in that typical illustration,
the fairies are beautiful and you know, have perfect skin
and glowing but really, according to this, they're kind of
ugly critters and sour pus. The sour pus face is

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what I always think of when I think of of
the ones from labor At where they're headed. You know,
it's it's like the evolution of so many things towards
these Like if you look at angels in the Old Testament,
they were scary creatures. Now angels are so yeah, and
now they're wonderful creatures who just want to spread love

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and ferry us throughout the world. Yeah, like the you
know cherubs versus wait wait hunt, wait wait you lost
I know what a cherub is, right, but they didn't
really exist until the kind of the Middle Ages. The
idea of a cherub, okay, and the like really cute
baby with wings at like the angel cherub archetype r.
Was that somebody? That's just some medieval artists who first

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invented the whole thing? Probably propaganda. Yeah, the next kind
of vein that I came across when I was doing
the research on fairies. Yeah, it turns out the fairies
really love the British. The British love the fairies. Stuff

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in England there is and the food is not very
good and older. You know, they've got a lot of
abandon areas, a lot of history for a really long time. Yeah,
there's a lot of places that you know, like like
say the Middle East, if you were a fairy, would
you gotta want to go take out residents and say
Saudi Arabia forests of England where it's like any all

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the time and nobody's gonna like tromp over you because
who goes outside there? Yeah, yeah, it's wet outside. Why
would I go outside? I just to stay in the
house all day. I'm actually kind of suspised. We don't
we don't see them around here because we're fairly moisten
foresty around here. Well it's because you don't believe Joe. Oh,
well there's that, but nobody you don't know, Yeah, yeah,

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they could be all around. Yeah. Usually when I see
like rings of rings of mushrooms in the forest, I
picked them right, Yeah, because that's what most people do.
That's why it's because we do things like that here,
so the fairies are like, oh, we can't be here anymore.
I can discover the next environmental causes. We're destroying fairy habitat.

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If that was gonna fly anywhere, it would fly in
Portland's Yeah, you're absolutely right. I think we're gonna have
to work on a website and start getting sim publicity. Yeah.
I don't know that we want that publicity, but no.
So evidently the British Isles are overrun with fairies. And
by that I mean written in Ireland and Scotland, all

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of that area, the entire United Kingdom area, not Ireland.
I'm talking about Ireland also, yes, I'm looping that entire
area outlying islands also, all of it because according to
some reports, and these were I believe the report of

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the BBC did this, and good on them for taking
the time to look into this, but evidently that area
is covered in what they refer to as good paranormal areas,
which are run by fairies and ghosts, and I guess
a good paranormal area is where there's a helpful creature

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that you can't see some one of the one of
the stories that I read was there was some house
and there was some road that was really confusing, and
people would always get lost and they would stop at
this house and they would knock on the door and
a friendly old butler would answer the door and they say, Hi,
I'm lost. I'm trying to get to wherever, and he
would say, no problem, take this and that and this

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and that and be on your way, and they would go. Well,
the house was deserted, nobody lived in the house, So
that was a good paranormal area because it was the
good entities that were being the butler for these people
to find their way. Don't Devin's giving me a really
kind of dirty look. I don't think she believes this story.
I don't. Yeah. Sorry. I believe in fairies and I

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believe in ghosts, but that story, for some reason, I
just don't believe. I have heard stories like that too.
Oh yeah, we all know. So the reporter did the
research here though, They went through twenty five years of
police reports, so these were things that were filed with
the police. Yeah, these are all supernatural. Uh, there's a

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huge number of supernatural events. And by huge I mean
seven hundred and fifty five reports to the police. I'll
only forty four of which were related to fairies. I
mean the rest we're all ghosts and which is and
Casper somebody I don't know, but forty four of them
were fairies. So obviously they like that area that or

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people in that area are prone to reporting quote paranormal activities. So,
ladies and gentlemen, this is what happens when you wander
the forest and you start randomly eating mushrooms, you start
reporting stuff. I mean like everybody, you know, like everybody
at some point in their life has something happened to

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them and they're like, WHOA, that was super weird. Right,
Not very many people have that WHOA, that was super
weird moment and then go, I better call the police
and follow report. Yeah, maybe it's just that this area,
you know, But I think the thing is maybe is
that here we're much more prone to getting in trouble

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for calling the cops. What are considered a name report
probably wouldn't even file. They'd be like Okay, ma'am, okay,
there a Bobby is like, okay, all report says saw
fairy that gave him a beer. I think that. I
think actually, if you called nine one one report the

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fair they send a swat team and maybe, well, let's
go on to this. This gets more into the what
are fairies? This next bit that I've come across, which
is freaking awesome, they're aliens. I think that's freaking awesome, amazing.

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I know, go ahead and say it. I know what
is the people who look into aliens? Who followed yep,
I knew, I knew you'd want to talk about you.
Those aren't people who look into aliens. Those are people
who look into UFOs but are ancient ancient alien ologists.

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I mean, I'm sorry, I'm trying to come up with
a good term that we can use. It's okay, sorry,
but it would explain a lot, it would. But but
here's here's how the folks propose that fairies are actually aliens.
And this is a it's a fuzzy line that they run.
We've all heard the phrase extraterrestrial, which means that it's

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something not from Earth coming here or not from Earth.
And then but of this universe. Well, according to this theory,
the fairies are ultra terrestrials. What is an ultra terrestrial? Yeah,
that took me a while to kind of wrap my

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head arrectally. I think I'm kind of an ultra terrestrial
ultrast Okay, here's here's how this runs. As humans, we
have all done this planet. We've always considered ourselves to
be the most intelligent and the only intelligent species on
the planet. Self aware. Yeah, but according to this there's

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another species that evolved here, either before us or alongside us,
and that species is the ultra terrestrial the lizard people know,
not the lizard people. Are you sure, because that's no,
I'm not sure. I'm not sure. You know, they could
actually have like evolved before us and actually nudged humanity

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along on its course towards evolution. You sound like an
ancient alien theorist nation alien upologist. Yeah. Can we not
have that argument again? Come on, let me, let me,
let me keep going here. You guys are going to
just spiral down. The rabbit wasn't really, But um so,

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the ultra terrestrials, this other species, they're more intelligent than
we are, and they've evidently mastered ability to hide themselves
from us, at least for the most part. Maybe it's
accident when we see them, or made they intentionally show themselves.
I don't know. Uh. And there is a lot of
historical writing that references supernatural beings that and I'm quoting here.

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Supernatural beings seemingly superior to humans have been reported throughout
history and in previous eras they were called God's angels, ogres, fairies, brownies,
little people's demons, and more. Yeah. That, I mean, we
talked about this every once in a while, particularly with
our out of place and out of time artifact that

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you know, proof is fairly strong that there was something
here that was you know, whether it was us just
you know, forgetting about our history or whatever. It's always
but I don't know. Maybe they made goldback to Tempe. Maybe.
But here's here's where the fairies specifically come in this

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with this theory is uh. We won't say they're upologists,
but the people who follow this point out similarities between
aliens and fairies in kind of all of the general
lore that we know. Okay, aliens have a little butterfly wings. No,
not exactly, not exactly, Okay, aliens tend to be the

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cause of lost time, and so the fairies, which again
this is this is that thing where you go into
the fairy ring, or people will chase fairies or willow
of the whisp, willow whisp? Is that the correct phrase?
I believe the little glowing guys in the forest that
people will chase that run them to their demise. We're okay, yeah, yeah, um,

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so there's the lost time bit. Aliens are usually described
as being shorter than us with big, large eyes, and
fairies tend to be described that way to uh. And
evidently some aliens use quote unquote power rods. They used

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tasers to incapacitate people, which fairies use their magic ones,
so that could be the same thing. So according to
these people, there's all these similarities of why aliens are
actually fairies and fairies are actually ultraterrestrials and we just
haven't figured it out. Hoaxes hoaxes exactly right, because hoaxes

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are where we're going next. Alright, So we've talked about
all the fairies real theories, and I realized I almost
said that in a dimissive, dismissive tone, which was not
my intention. I admit that I don't. Please, don't take
it to me. No, no, your horse heads in my bed. No,

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but no. There have been a slew of hoaxes through
the years involving fairies, which which really makes me question
these particular photos by Mr Hyatt. And there's there's two
hoaxes that I want to bring to the front specifically.

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That was one very famous one there was, and that's
the first one that we're going to talk about the
first one I want to talk about is the Coventry fairies,
which Coventry fairies are Cottingly fairies. Thank you, Joe. I
don't know where Coventry came from, but it's cotting you
you're just thinking about England. It's it's yeah, biggy pudding.

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And what's the blood pudding? Blood porridge? Yeah, that one
which I've never eaten, by the way, it really looks gross.
Actually made of blood? What's it? Made it a food?
All right? The Coddingly fairies were this is a hoax. Okay,

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we know this is a hoax now, but it was
a series of five photographs that we were put out
by two young women is and they started in nineteen
seventeen and they were cousins and I think the they
were nine in sixteen when they did their first photos
and they supposedly using their their parents camera, photographed themselves

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with fairies, and these photos started go making the rounds.
Eventually none other were found by none other than Sir
Arthur Conan Doyle. It was it was kind of into
that whole level spiritualism. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, he
kind of embarrassed himself with that whole things he did.

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And you know what the said part is is that
he believed him. He wanted to believe him. He sent
somebody out, they took a look at the fairy photos.
They went out with the girls in the woods. They
reported back, yes, Sir, I think these are real. He
then turns around and he publishes an article that was
in It was a publication which I can't I can't

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tell if it was a magazine or newspaper, but it
was called The Strand. And then he followed that with
a book which he titled The Coming of the Fairies.
Send a good or a bad thing coming coming to
kick our ask and take our world away. We don't know,
but uh, unfortunately, the images were eventually admitted to be fakes.

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That was a long time though. Yeah, no, because I
don't know how anybody thought they were real. Let me
let me kind of walking through what's going on here
before we just let the cat out of the bag.
So they were paper cut outs from a book called
the Princess Mary's Gift Book. And these little cutouts were

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about six inches high. And these girls literally just with
a pair of scissors caught him out of the book
and then posed with them. And they put them on
hat pins, like against a tree or in a plant,
or maybe holding them in their hand. And I guess
maybe if you're in nineties England it's easier to believe.

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I guess you know. Part of that is the like
photoshop stuff, right like or if you watch like a
movie from the seventies, right an action movie, but there's
all this like special effects stuff, and you're like, wow,
that's awful. And you talked to somebody maybe Joe will
remember this, who saw that at the time, and was like, WHOA,

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special effects are awesome because you just that's what you think.
I think. You don't, you don't know what a fake
look you And I look at these, of course, and
I'm an I just say, wow, those are so fake.
They look so fake. But I can also understand that,
like you know, faking photos wasn't really a thing at

(32:09):
the time. People would just kind of and who would
think that a nine year old and an eleven year
old girl would fake pictures like this or take something
that way. And here's the thing, you know, when they
finally admitted that they faked him, it wasn't ntil the eighties. Yeah,
it was three when they finally fast up and said

(32:30):
that they had faked those images. So this whole time
they were saying, oh, yeah, they were real, but to
the girl's credit, which I guess, actually it's these ladies
at this point when they finally admitted that they had
faked the whole thing, they faked him because they were
embarrassed because they were doing it for a laugh. They

(32:51):
were goofing around and suddenly famous Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
and his people show up and my gosh, you've got
to show us these fairies, and um, yeah, it was embarrassing.
We just totally fake that, dude. It just doesn't People
have really fallen into some really bad situations because you're

(33:14):
embarrassed to admit I was totally totally fake. That, Yeah,
I guess. The other thing for me is that, like
the little fairies are so stylized. You look at them
and you're like, wow, they look like they're exactly fashionable
for the night. The fairies too, you know, they're wearing
flapper dresses with bobs and like literally look like flappers

(33:36):
who just happened to have wings and and kind of
like and there's a there's a white outline around them
the glow. You know. The other thing is that Princess
Mary's gift book. I mean maybe maybe it was kind
of a bomb and not very many people saw it,
but you would think somebody that would recognize, yeah, exactly,
this is the thing of the twenties, right versus now,

(33:57):
Like now somebody would have been like reverse google searching
that immediately, right, whereas like in the twenties, you'd be
like wow, maybe you know, like one person might say, oh,
I think I saw those well, you know, and here's
the other thing, and this is to maybe give credit
to these folks for buying into it, is a lot
of the lore of fairies said that fairies dressed the

(34:21):
way everybody else in that contemporary time dressed. That's how
they blend in. That's how they So in the sixteen hundreds,
they were wearing the green Robin hood hat or whatever
might be, you know, the big seventeen hundred style dresses
with the bell shapes. We need to have a serious
conversation about historical fashion. Yeah, do I look like I
know fashion? I'm wearing shorts and a T shirt and

(34:45):
fashion sense also wearing shorts and a T shirt. But
the point is they would wear clothes of the era
that they were in. So the fight of help people
buy into the fashion of the era? Is that matter?
Devn No, it's And I'm still laughing about these this
Peter pan robe hood hat thing that you're I literally

(35:05):
have no frame of reference, right, I don't. I don't
have a favorite. I don't have to. We're talking about fairies. Yeah,
so anyway, so if we found them around here, they
could rest like hipsters, tbrs and beards, a little fairy mustache.
That sounds right. I think I see a good movie. Yeah,

(35:29):
that's right up there with Shark Nato. Yeah, I'm gonna
like call Arnold Tomorrow Schorseninger. Yeah, Arnold, I have a
good movie for you. I scrolled it on the back
of a napkin, you flush it out and send me
a million dollars. Yeah, okay, here's the other fake that
I want to bring up, And this one's actually pretty
modern and it's pretty bad. Did either of you look

(35:52):
at the images of this this this particular fake, This
fake is from Guada, Guadalajara in two thousand even Yes, yes, yes,
it's okay. So here's here's the story. This is a
blatant fake, ladies and gentlemen, So I'm just gonna preface
it right off the bat. But it's a bricklayer who
claims that he was out picking fruit one day and

(36:14):
he found a fairy and he caught it, and being
a nice guy, what did he do? He instantly threw
it into a jar for Malda Hide to preserve its idea. Yeah, yeah, no,
there's there's that's questionable behavior. But we're gonna leave that alone.
But here's the whole thing. I mean, most of us,

(36:35):
I mean obviously don't go out to pick fruit and
carrying a jar from alde Hyde. You know, I don't
normally have that with me. No, even if I grabbed
the ferry and took it home, I don't have any
formalde Hide at home either. Yeah, okay, So but here's
the thing. There's a video, there's news footage of this,
and they show the jar with the fairy in it.

(36:55):
Uh yeah, that fairy. He's obviously a toy. It's very
obviously like a superhero kind of cheap cast toy. I
don't mean like the flexible arm kind of toy. I
mean cast solid red and yellow, but really cheap and translucent.
And it is sitting on the bottom and you can

(37:16):
tell the wings are just pinned to the back of it,
and their plastic as well. And people went nuts for it.
Don't have a sense of here. But the thing about it,
for all that stuff, like somebody finds a you know,
finds the version Mary's likeness on a piece of toast,
and then somebody pays five thousand dollars for it. Yeah,

(37:38):
and then this stuff really really bad. Yeah, you know.
I actually, and this is the funny thing. I wanted
to prove definitively what toy that was, and I spent
hours on the internet scrolling through toys that would have
come out at that time. I couldn't find it. Really
frustrated me. It looked like it would be something from

(37:59):
the Credibles or the super Friends, not super Friends, but
the Justice Leagues or something like that. But I couldn't
find who it was. But it looks oh it looked
like something from Ben Ten. That's where I bet it was.
I think it's X Men. Is it an X Men?
Well they'll see. But the body was yellow in the
arms and were red, which makes me ten. But there's

(38:23):
a lot of Okay, first of all, let's talk about
the fact that, you know, Ben Ten, that we have
a little a little weird um. But I guess, you know,
like knockoff X Men toys often have the like weird
different colors or yeah, they're not right on purpose. Yeah,
but look literally millions of photographs of toys and couldn't

(38:45):
find it. Maybe that means it really was a fairy
plastic fairies actually look like fairies hit from melode Hyde
and instantly turned to plastic. That's what the toy industry
is based on. Yeah, but it wasn't necessarily plastic. It
would probably just Rigor Mortises said in that stuff that
from out of Haid and killed by that guy. Yeah, man, yeah,

(39:06):
she was just okay, you know what, I'm willing to
run with that We're just gonna go with that. It's
a dead fairy. It's a dead fairy. Everybody, everybody believe.
Clap your hands if you believe, Clap harder, Clap harder.
She's dying. She's dead. Do you believe in fairies? I do?

(39:29):
I do. Somebody will get my references. That's that's a
that's a Peter Pan. Okay, yeah, I know where are
we going now? Yeah, so let's uh, let's conclude this.
Let's get yeah, let's conclude. Let's get back to Hi.
It's photos. Okay, so we've talked. Are you saying that
all those bugs, those fairies you photographed were just tiny

(39:52):
little cardboard cutouts, that's what you're saying. Oh, well, no,
I'm not actually, uh so here's here's what I did,
is is I started looking at what Hyatt said, and
then I started looking at the photos, and then I
started doing my research because and I'm not the only
one who's done this research. So I'm not the one
who came that the only one that's come to this conclusion.
But let's walk through this. Is that Hyatt claims that

(40:15):
he has photo photographed many insects, and he says that
the creatures that he shot. They're not bugs, so of
course they must be fairies. That makes sense. I can
see what do you mean. I can see what he's saying,
but I don't believe in fairies. But I also think
that he's saying the same thing Joe said at the
beginning of this show, which is he's anthromorphizing these things. Oh,

(40:38):
I'm putting these human characteristics on them. Yeah, I just
I don't totally agree with the assertion they're not bugs.
You still think they're fairies? No, I don't agree with
the assertion that they're not buggs. Oh, okay, okay, I'm sorry,
I misunderstand what you're saying. I got it. We're on
the same page. That good. Yeah. Yeah, So this guy
is like, you know, like saying that you know, I've

(40:59):
photographed the insects and these aren't insects because you're not
an insect. I know what, I know what insects looks like.
This is not insects. How many millions of different insects
are there in the world? Gazillions gazillions, which is a
real number in my head. So, okay, if you take
a look at the photos from Hyatt and you look

(41:20):
at the arms and the legs of the fairies as
he calls them, and you look closely at them, you'll
notice you'll see where the wings join the body, and
then you'll see those arms and legs are pointed away
as if they're in motion, so they're at a they're
at an angle away from the body. Yeah, all right. Well,

(41:44):
if you look at flying insects when they're in flight,
they fly that way because they don't have any tension
in their legs, so they just let the air current
push them back, which from behind would make it kind
of look like a little person. Counterpoint, Ferries would probably
do the same thing because they're lazy and they don't
want to hold their arms up. Why yeah, why hold

(42:06):
your arms up? Why not just go? I would hold
them out to the side like I was an airplane
at the same time. I do that when I'm on
a bicycle all the time. I'm the king of the world.
I think you would just get tired after a while.
You're putting a lot of like physical coersion. I will
buy that point. Um. Now here's the thing though, and
it looks specifically at mayflies. Do you know what may

(42:29):
fly is? Yeah, they're little itty bitty guys that cluster
up in swarms and they kind of annoy the crap
at you. Yeah, you're gonna you're gonna start to see
a lot of similarities with may flies. Uh. They have
a head and they have wings that are proportionally correct
when you apply them to the creatures that are in
the image. Uh. They also have what are known as

(42:51):
and I hope I'm saying this right searcy c e
R C. I maybe right. I'm not gonna kind of
like searchy better about it's a it's a Greek word.
It's an ancient Greek word, but it's these are what
are almost the easy way to say it is there
too little antenna to come out of the back of
their abdomen. So have you either of you seen silverfish? Yeah,

(43:14):
and they have those two little antennas that stick out
the back of Yeah. But that's what that's what cearcy
are there in silver fish? Did I ever tell you
about the big silver fish they killed years and years ago? No?
I feel like there is a story for another time. Yeah,
it could have been. Come and tell you. Um. So,
when they're flying around, those things dangling behind could look

(43:36):
like the legs so I'm I'm going strongly towards the
fact that these are may fly I when I saw them,
I immediately thought, oh, water skaters. Oh yeah, they do
kind of look like water skeeters who have the forearms. Yeah,
but water skeeters don't fly around. Sometimes they do a
little bit, I think when they're little little ones. Once

(43:59):
they bolt into adults, I don't think they fly around.
Do they they have wings? I don't know why they
wouldn't because they can skip around in the water. Why
would I fly? This is way cooler because there's stuff
in the water. Yeah, that's okay. So here's the other
thing is if I'm gonna I'm sticking with it. These
are mayflies. May flies and all those kind of little gnats.

(44:23):
They tend to swarm up because they actually mate in
the air. These things have like a day or three lifespan.
When they're adults, they are they like part of the
Yard the Art High Club. Wow, Joe, well done. Yes,
they are part of the Yard High Club. And so

(44:45):
that's when they they're all swarming around, Like at night
you'll see them all or in the evening you'll see
them all swarming around together in a big cloud. In
your yard. That's what they're They're mating. And I think
that that's what he got a photo of. Is he
got to swarm a may flies bunched up and he
just happened to catch a picture of it and zoomed in.

(45:05):
Did he did he come across this photo when he
was like reviewing at home? That's behind this. I have
not seen anywhere where he says exactly what he was
photographing when he caught these images, Nor have I seen
anything that shows the full image. We only get the

(45:28):
cropped versions that show these little creatures. Maybe he was
taking pictures of nearby flowers and he looked later a
little closer at the little small part of the image. Yeah,
it could be, But personally I assert that they're these
these clouds of midges or whatever they are, that are
flying around that we always see in our yard, which,
by the way, I personally find hilarious at my house

(45:48):
when those little clouds drift over to the chickens and
the chickens go insane or like picking them out of
the cloud. But then again, maybe my chickens are just
murdering fairies chi you know. Yeah, it explains the little
screams that. I hear my dog goes after a little
little bugs like that too, So could be, could be.

(46:12):
Here's here's my one other problem with with this story.
With these images, Hyatt has labeled them the Rossendale Fairies. Okay,
remember we said they're the Cuttingly Fairies. Were the ones
that were from the nineteen twenties. Yeah, so it's almost

(46:32):
as if it's a wink and a nod towards those
original photos. And he was. He's only like thirty miles
approximately away from where those photos, those twenties photos were taken,
So it could very easily be that they were just
looking at the pictures like, hey, it looks like a
fair vaguely looks like a fairy. Hey. You know, we

(46:54):
could just like make a joke towards them and call
it good. Yeah. Well, we'll just keep an eye on
the interwebs for other than that the near future and
see if he find it comes and fesss up that
you know, the whole thing was a fake. Yeah, you know,
might take sixty years again before he fesces up. Yeah,
I knew they were bugs. Hopefully, you know, nobody will
come and write a story about his fairies. Hopefully, Hopefully,

(47:17):
no famous author who's the spiritualist will come and Stephen
King will not go to his property, hopefully not. But
that's that's what we have on the fairies. Uh. Personally,
I I don't know about YouTube, but I think the
photos are bunk. I think they're fake. I don't know,
not necessarily fake in a sensitive photoshop to anything. Well,
I don't think they're fairies. Yeah, I think they're just insects.

(47:40):
I would, I would agree with that. I don't necessarily
agree with you that fairies are not real, but I
do agree that this picture definitely the bugs. Okay, well
that's good. They should look like bugs, all right. Well, oh,
and before we before we move away from the story,
I did just want to to throw out a big
thanks to Mandy, one of our listeners. She she helped

(48:02):
us with some of the research on this which was
really great and it was really awesome. So thanks Mandy.
We appreciate all help. Thanks. Uh. And that that having
been said, with the end of the story, let's of
course you can see the photos of the ross and fairies.
We'll have a photo of it on the website and
we'll also have some of the links for the story

(48:25):
and we'll have the episode to listen to there. That website,
as always, is going to be Thinking Sideways podcast dot com.
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(48:49):
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(49:09):
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That email address is Thinking Sideways Podcast at gmail dot com.

(49:31):
And since I said email, I guess we should talk
about some emails. Well, the first one I've got came
in from Facebook. Actually and it's from Ash who's from England,
and he says, Hi, guys, I'm gonna put in end. Girl.
Just began listening to your podcast during my night shifts.
What a fantastic shows you guys do, incredibly entertaining and

(49:54):
some cases I know of and he says the Tom
and Shrewd two cases like the Loop that I found
completely enthralling. Love your murdering mystery episodes. I'll be on
the hunt for some cases for suggestions for your show.
Keep up the awesome work. And this is Ash from England.
Act By the way, you'll be happy to know that
we've planned lots more murdering mayhem in the future. I

(50:15):
was just going to mention that, you know, the two
that he mentioned were my episode. You know you you
are really popular like me. It's just me. I'm always like,
maybe they'll like my episode. Though they like Joe, they
like Devon, they like my episode, they like make references
to me. Episodes don't suck. It's it's just because you

(50:38):
two are the cool kids. We are were not the
excitable hipster Do we're back to that? Yeah, I'm never
gonna live that tone. I think, Well, we've got another
email that we that we picked out and Joe, you're
going to read that one. Yeah, okay. Our next email
is from Teresa, and I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly.
It's RAS or something else, you know. Feel free to

(51:00):
send us an email and direct it. But anyway, she says,
this is a funny. This is pretty funny email. You
guys read it, not agree it's funny. So she says, no,
I have three more episodes and that will be all
caught up. How will I drown out my coworkers and
in conversations I would rather listen to u v B seven.

(51:23):
I found you all researching UVB obsessed and Phil in
the Tom Tom and shutter is doll chicky step back
from that ledge, My dog and my favorite creepies, the
lead Mask homies. We should have called it that, the
lead Mask calling. Yeah, oh yeah, the old gangs here

(51:44):
new to me, Boy in the Box and Jane Doe
wigged me out and are my favorite so far. Okay,
she's literally except for the chick and the dogs, and
the dogs only mentioned myself. I'm winning on this podcast. Yeah,
head is getting so bigger. Hey. Yeah, by the way, Teresa,
um uh, you know go back and get my episodes

(52:05):
another listeners. Anyway, I have sent us another email. Okay, anyway,
so thank you, and don't stop. I have a few ideas. Okay,
we're not gonna we're not gonna give away your ideas.
Oh and if you ever need a crazy guy that
thinks JFK was an alien with proof of it, I
know a guy. I think we all know. I think

(52:27):
we all know a guy. Yeah. Thanks. Also, I'll just
mention um, I have listened to UVB like obsessively every
once in a while. It is great for drowning out
in a conversations, just listening to our episode or just
your brain just kind of tones everything out. So does

(52:48):
somebody actually like replicated on the internet in real time recording? Right? No,
it's it's it's actual, like the actual feed. Really, it's
gonna be a nice background music for a party. Yeah, dude, dude, dude, dude, Yeah, yeah,
this this sounds awesome. All right. Well, anyway, thanks, thanks

(53:11):
everybody for the email, and yeah, thanks sex, especially Teresa.
It was a very funny email. Yeah, that was a
good one. Well, we're gonna go ahead and we're gonna
flit her out of here. So we will talk to
you next week. Yeah everybody, Hi, guys,