Thinking Sideways: The Death of Princess Diana

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Thinking sideways. I don't know. You never know stories of
things we simply don't know the answer too. Hey, hey guys,
it's thinking sideways. Team Sideways here, um Devin joined by Steve,

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And what do you guys want to talk about to me?
You know I had that tossed a coin and with
lamb not his head, so we're kind of screwed. Yeah,
it's probably do something magnificently huge, or just talk about
the fact that I can't believe that we've made it

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this long. Yeah, we could just pne it in. How
do we hold it together? It's like it's like almost
people just haven't caught it on yet and we don't
know what we're talking about. You haven't figured it out,
Thank you Wikipedia. Well, if you guys want to talk
about something magnificent or like royally magnificent, should we talk

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about this massive tone that I have in my hands? Yeah,
which is our show notes? Why don't we throw the
lines open and let's just let people call in with
their suggestions. Yeah, let's not do that. Okay, we don't
have a phone. I can't afford it. Yeah, Um, so
I guess Royal Mystery. Tonight we're going to tackle the

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death of Princess Diana, and we're not going to talk
about so much why she died, as I don't know
how she died. It's just like you know who killed her. Yeah, yeah,
it's just the script that's in my hand is a
good three times longer than normal scripts at least, which
so get excited. Yeah, ye, get your water bottles, your

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grand ola ours, everybody, go to the bathroom. Go to
the bathroom. Now, we're not going to wait. Go to
the bathroom. Now, we're not going to stop. Okay, ready,
let's talk about Diana's personal history for a minute. Okay, quickly, yeah,
really quick. Nothing about this is going to be quick. Joe, Damn,
I've already got to go to the bathroom. Diana Spencer

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was born the fourth child of John Spencer and uh
Frances Kidd on July one, nineteen sixty one. She was
one of four children five, but she had a brother
who died as an infant before she was born. Her
father was named the eighth Earl of Spencer in ninety five,

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which made Diana Lady Diana at the age of fourteen.
How cool would that be? Right? Her family was part
of the aristocracy pretty much in any way you define it.
The Spencers had been really closely allied with the Royal
family for a very long time, and as one of
our experts put it, they were quote pals, but quote

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highly orchestrated pals, the Spencer family and the Royal family.
What exactly does that mean? Yeah, it means that they. Yeah,
lots of planning went into the relationship in the two.
Also fun fact, Winston Churchill is apparently a blood relative
of Diana. Anyways, Diana had a pretty privileged and curated upbringing,

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as I'm sure you can imagine. Her godfather was the
chairman of Christie's, which you guys know, right, Christie's auction house. Yeah. Yeah,
her godmother was the niece of the Queen Mother. What
I never have been able to figure that out? What
exactly is the Queen mother? She's the queen Mother is
the mom of the reigning monarch. So she's the mom

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of Elizabeth, right, Elizabeth is the queen is the monarch
right now, so she's she's Elizabeth Elizabeth's mom. Okay, got it? Okay? That? Yeah?
I just so much royal intrigue and how the systems
are set up. Yeah, I talked to a lot of experts.
I know you did, and I read a lot of
those didn't help me. Yeah, it was pretty helpful, but

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I was still confused because I'm just a dummy about
these things. Diana was a shy child. She took an
interest in music and dancing, and again, unsurprisingly trained in
classical ballet. Apparently Diana also had an interest in children,
as in raising children and taking care of children, schooling them,
schooling them kind of. Yeah. She attended an all girls

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boarding school, which I understand is typical of the monarchy aristocracy.
She's not part of. Well. Yeah, and it turns out
she wasn't a great student. She failed her O levels
A k A Ordinary levels twice, which is kind of
like failing your G E. D. In the US. It's
like it's basically high school high school equivalent. Yeah. She

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was an accomplished artist, however, and she excelled in music. Uh.
And she was apparently an accomplished pianist as well. She
was a talented ballerina, but things that I never knew. Yeah, frankly,
I never paid attention to her when she was a lot.
Of course she didn't. Yeah, she was also a very
talented ballerina, like I said, but she was very tall,

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which apparently is a thing that you can be. You
can be too tall to be a ballerina. I didn't
realize that. I thought all ballerinas were supposed to be
tall and skinny. But maybe it's because you've got to
be a little little em petite so the other of
the guy I can pick you up and trol you
around and guests. Yeah, maybe I have no idea. I
could go off on this for hours, but I just won't.
You could erina, Yes, I traded classically. When she was seventeen,

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she managed to score job as a nanny for the
daughter of major and his wife. Diana was close friends
with the brother of the major's wife, so it seems
that's probably how she got connected. She just knew some people.
This is a always the thing that gets me when
it's it's a lot like did you guys ever watch
that movie Spaceballs in the nineties, I was your brother's

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cousin's college roommate, Like this is this is always what
it makes me think of, Well, I knew your brother's
sister's mother's cousin. Just always so very very connected. Yes,
connected is a better way to say that these kind
of connections. Yeah. A year later she moved into her
mom's flat in London, and then on her eighteenth birthday,

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her father purchased a flat of her own for about
a hundred thousand pounds. Getting a flat in London for
a hundred pounds these days, yeah right, no chance. She
worked a few different jobs, most of them were with children,
and she was always noted to have had a really
strong community spirit and a deep love for teaching children.

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In seventy seven, just prior to moving to London, Diana
met her older sister's boyfriend, Charles Boy Yep, Charles, Yes,
Prince Charles. Yeah, so Prince Charles like dating just two
of the I think there were three. In nineteen eighty,

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Diana happened to be at the same quote country weekend
event and she watched him play polo, which apparently was
his thing. Oh yeah, the watching of the polo. I
mean he liked to play polo. Ladies watching him play polo.
That's how he met his girlfriend's I was gonna say, Devin,
I know you're not old enough probably to remember this,
but Joe does. As I remember seeing all kinds of

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footage of Charles in the eighties always playing polo, and
it's always and he was he was on the horse,
and then he was getting off the horse, and it
was always polo, Polo, polo with that guy that was
that's that's the royal sport. Yeah, Paul is cool, by
the way. But it looks it looks almost impossible. It
looks harder than yeah. Um, I I think, And I've

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read a few accounts that say that this is actually
a better cover story than the truth of how they
actually met. And they actually met drinking at a friend's apartment.
I thought, Alley, Oh no no. After a really brief courtship,
Charles proposed to Diana. They were engaged for five months
before their wedding, and now they've broken up. They broken up. Yeah.

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According to some sources, Diana and Charles both knew the
marriage was doomed pretty much from the start. For her part,
Diana had found out about Camilla, who is widely accepted
as charles Is first and only true love and is
in fact his current wife. She was married to someone
else when he married Diana, and we'll talk about that.
And Charles found out that Diana was quote a vulnerable,

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complicated woman already suffering from an eating disorder unquote. So
basically he realized that she was like a real human woman,
not the quote jolly country girl that he thought her
to be. That's that's a route awakening for any man
to realize that he's dating a real woman with feelings
and things. I don't date women like that. I know,

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you don't know. I never understood why that was that
that had to be Why do women have to have feelings?
I don't know. I'm sorry, we got programmed. Yeah. They
did go through with the marriage, however, despite both of
them kind of having to be coerced into doing it.
She was twenty two and he was thirty three, and
it was a huge event. Billions of people watched this,

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which these days I guess is not so big a deal.
But in the you know, eighties, that was like a
huge ordeal. Where was it like Westminster Cathedra or something
like that. Did you guys watch the wedding? I mean
recently I saw a few pictures of it, and I
just said, I want to have a wedding there. I
want to have my wedding there. That's really cool. I
remember seeing stuff about it when I was a kid,

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and then I skimmed through some of the footage and
it is so amazingly lavish. Yeah. Well, did you see
the more recent wedding, more recent, way more recent wedding
of Prince William and Kate Middleton. I think I remember
seeing stuff. It was the same thing. It was pretty big,

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wasn't that where there was the whole scandal of big hats.
All the ladies were like trying to do each other
with the bigger and bigger hats. Yes, I remember that.
There was an awesome meme where two of the ladies
looked exactly like the wicked step sisters from Cella. Yeah. Anyways,
back to what the point at hand is. Diana and

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Charles managed to pop out two lovely princes pretty quickly,
one Prince William that we were just talking about, and
one Prince Harry, the dreamy. By all accounts, the boys
just totally adored her and she was a hugely successful mother.
She and Charles did separate in the nineties. It seems

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it was mutual, and they finally divorced on August. Diana
did a man named Hasnot Cohn, who was a British
Pakistani heart surgeon, and many people close to Diana said
that he was the love of her life. He broke
up with her right well, it's unclear. They dated for

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two years. And during the inquest that we're going to
talk a whole lot about in a little bit here,
he was actually interviewed and he said that she broke
up with him in a park very suddenly. But a
lot of friends said that she told them that he
had broken up with her, and it's not quite clear
why they broke up or anything. Stuff that said that

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that he broke it off because they dated based a
lot of it was kind of secret. It was a
secret was a secret because he didn't want it to
be He didn't want the paparazzi and he didn't want
the publicity, and he didn't want to deal with all
of that. So it was, Hey, come over and have
a pizza and a beer and we'll watch a movie
and whatever happens happens. And we do this all the time.

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But I don't want to make this an official thing
and be out in public because I don't want all
these people bothering me. That's that's what I read. Yeah,
that would drive a wedge and just about any relationship.
But apparently most people say that he was the love
of her life, so it was pretty heartbreaking when they

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broke up for her, at least despite whoever broke it
off with whoever. But within a month of her breakup
with con she began dating Doughty Fayed, And that's where
we're going to leave her story for the moment. I
think where we're gonna go from here is we're gonna
we're gonna talk about some of the players in the story,
because there are a lot of players and we should

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probably talk about them so people have a frame of reference,
because I think we've made the mistake in the past
of presuming that everybody knew who everybody was, So we're
gonna make sure we cover the basis. First off, we
have Prince Charles, who is not Chuck. His full name
and title is Charles Philip Arthur George, Prince of Wales.

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Charles is the first and oldest son of Queen Elizabeth
and Prince Philip, both of whom will talk about in
a minute. And like we just said, he married Diana.
But Charles was born in and he is the heir
apparent to the British crown. If you don't know what
the air apparent means it is the next in line.
So yes, so it's the you know, there's the president

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in the United States and the vice president vice friend
is the next in line, so it's the same same concept,
it's just a different term. Yes, Charles still in good
standing as apparent, though he is still listed when I
was in the official websites for the crown, he's still
listed as the heir apparent, so I have to presume
that it hasn't passed on to his son then, and

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then it's the William's son, correct, Yeah, And then yes,
and then their daughter who they just recently had, So
it's it's Charles and then William and then his son
and then the daughter, so that now we're one to three,
four levels deep. And then it's Prince Harry. Yes, yeah.

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Did you absolutely have a thing about Prince Harry, because
every time I mentioned him in my notes, I found
in parentheses so dreamy written next to it. I wrote
that he's dreaming. I'm sorry, I'll try very hard not
to belabor that point. But was it Harry or was
it Philip? I thought it was Harry that served in Afghanistan.

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Wasn't that Harry? Recently. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I
believe it is. Yes, But but let's let's get back
to Charles, because we're way off course. We got so dreamy.
We got to get back into this. That's okay, Like
I said, like I was saying, no apparent, Yeah, he

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has been the heir apparent since nineteen fifty two, so
since he was four years old when his mother because
at that time his mother took the crowd and we'll
talk about that in a minute. Being air apparent of
course put him in the spotlight his entire life. He's always,
you know, everybody's taking his photo and talking about Charles.

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One thing that the royal family really wanted was for
Charles to settle down and Mary, and I've read that
he made a conscious decision. He said he didn't want
to get married until he was in his thirties. I
didn't come across that particular, but that doesn't that doesn't
surprise me. Yeah, I gather his family was not super
excited about that. Well. No, I was reading something that

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from the age of twenty one or twenty two he
was getting suggestions of possible wives and saying, go court
this woman and try and get her hand. In marriage,
so this was a very big pressure for him. Then
at the same time, he was probably thinking that I'm
rich and it's like the sixties seventies, and I'm getting

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lots of you know what, well, because I I don't
even think it's that. It's just I'm a young man
and I'd like to enjoy myself before I settled down,
and he has the means to do that, which is
totally understandable. Of course. Like I said before, he had
a string of girlfriends, and we briefly talked about earlier,
was that one of those women was a woman named

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Camilla Shand who eventually would become known as Camilla Parker Bowls.
She is regarded as the love of his life. He
was head over heels for her. He wanted to marry
her from stuff that I've read, but he never worked
up to nerve in time to propose, and by the

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time he did, I think he he went on a
voyage somewhere and he decided he was going to do it,
and by the time he got back, she had already
been proposed to by another man. He proposed at that
point she said no, I'm I'm marrying him, and Charles
lost out and that was that was the end of

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it for him at that point. Settling isn't the right word,
but he seems to have settled upon Diana as what
the family said would be a good match based on
what everybody was telling him. She was a good looking girl,
and she was young, she was good with children, She

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wasn't particularly you know, she was humanitarian, but not particularly ambitious.
You know, she came from a good family. Yeah, I'm
not sure she was very smart though she I don't
think she was. I think she was an exceptionally kind woman,
but I don't think that she she was going to
write great volumes of you know, groundbreaking works. But I

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mean that that doesn't necessarily mean anything. But the thing is,
Charles never got over Camilla, and he is reported to
have on the night before his marriage, his marriage to Diana,
he got cold feet and he said, I can't do it,
and he got pushed, and he obviously eventually went forward

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with it and he did get married. What was the
quote he was wailing, I can't go through with it. Yes,
the night before, Yeah, and I could just see the
queen just like smacking him upside the head, or she

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was hitting with the glove. The Quarries are parking at him,
like three or four, Cory's attacking him. Well regardless, I
think we've hit on this once already. But it's pretty
obvious to this point that it's basically a loveless marriage
and that would be the kind of the fuel for
what drove their divorce. Well, well, yeah, amongst other not

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so great behaviors on his part, but yeah, part at all. Yeah, No,
I'm I'm not pointing a finger at Charles. They both
agreed to this marriage. They both went in it, probably
with reservations in my mind, so I'm not going to
say one is more guilty for its failure than the other.
Charles was always painted it's a bad guy by the tabloids.

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But you know, the tabloids are mostly read by women,
so it's inevitable that you know, no, no, no, no, no, no,
it's a guy. Charles got caught first play in the field,
and we're going to talk about that something later. But
eventually Diana got caught too, so it was only it
was he got caught with his hand in the cookie
jart first. That's why he's the bad guy. But we're

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going to move away from Charles for a minute. Yeah,
let's move away from Charles personal prominently. I don't think
we need to talk about him again. Well we do.
The next person we're going to talk about is the Queen,
Queen Elizabeth the second Yep. I think everybody kind of
has a good mental picture of the Queens, this kindly,
grandmotherly lady who, as we said before, loves gloves and corgis,

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and she rules over one of the largest countries in
Europe when you take into account all of its overseas territory.
Large it's insane. There's places on this list. I didn't
realize that we're still technically part of Britain, Like, what

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is it. We've got the British Virgin Islands, Okay, that
makes sense, Bermuda, uh Cypress, the Cayman Islands, Gibraltar. I
didn't realize all those places were still technically under the
British flag, whether they're semi or fully independent or not. Yeah,
it's a huge list, so yes it is. There is

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a huge chunk of territory that they own. But let's
let's go back to to Elizabeth. She took the throne,
as I talked about just a second ago in nineteen
fifty two when her father, King George the sixth, passed away.
If anybody wants to know about King George the six
just watched the movie The King's Speech really not really,

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not the best documentary. It's not a documentary, but it's
got a lot of great foul language in British. It's
got a lot of good it is. I never bothered
watching it. The soundtrack was phenomenal. Yes, yeah, Well, George
the six passed away, his daughter took the throne officially.
It was a year I think it was a year

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later she officially ascended to the throne. I can't remember
what the wranglings were that delated a background check. I think, well,
she she did take the throne, and she is as
of today, she is the longest lived monarch in Britain,
and if she lives past the ninth of September of

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this year, she will become the longest ruling monarch in
British history. In history, in history. This lady. She's old.
She's been around a while, and medical science has improved
a bit since the other kings were around. She doesn't
seem to be showing any signs of giving up anytime

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soon either. Well, and just here's here's a little bit.
So you're thinking, well, how old is she. She's born
in that's a long time ago. She she's eighty nine
years old. Actually by the by today's standards, that's not
really that old. But as a ruling monarch, that's that's
the thing. But as you said, medical science has changed.

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So back in the day, was you ate a bad
piece of fish and you died. You went to battle
and it was a badly, poorly played battle. But she's
never gone to battle. Queen's didn't usually go to battle
that much. But anyways, look, yeah, which she's actually lived through.
She lived through two World Wars and countless conflicts that

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her country has been in. So I mean, that's that's amazing.
One World War. She was alive for two World Wars. No,
she wasn't. She was born in twenty six. You're right,
because it was nineteen nineteen. Wow. I almost completely blew that.
My grandma's ninety seven. So it's fine, you're just thinking
of her, that's your rights. Yeah, because your grandmother loves Corgis.

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That's how I got it mixed up. It's easy to do. Okay, Well, Elizabeth,
like I said, born in ninety six. She married in
nineteen forty seven Prince Philip, and besides Prince Charles, she
had three other children, who are Princess Anne, Prince Andrew,
and Prince Edward. I'm gonna talk a little bit about Queen,
but I don't know exactly how to put this. I've

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heard different accounts. Either she as sharp as attack and
she has her finger in every pie and major dealing
that is going on, and she knows what's happening, or
she is very disconnected and she is a complete and
utter figurehead at this point. I don't know which is true,
but there's there's always accounts both ways. But you know,

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the woman's been in you know, she's had the crow
the throne for so long. There's so much stuff, And
I will say the same thing for her as I
will for Prince Philip. We're about to talk about. It's like, well, yeah,
there's so many things that you can just dig up. Well,
she didn't pay attention to this, and she was deeply
involved in that. So I don't know what's true and
what's not. Probably not the mystery we're tackling her, Thank God. No,

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we're talking about murder, not the Queen murder. Ye all right,
well speaking murder, No, not really. Let's talk about Prince Philip,
whose official title is Duke of Edinburgh. Prince Philip, did
we say it right? Sorry, I'm sorry, I hope we did.
Prince Philip was born in n and just like the Queen,

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he's got a longest lived title. He is the longest
lives spouse of a British monarch, and he is also
the oldest living member of the royal family because he's
ninety two. Yeah, okay, I was like, that doesn't make sense. No,

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he's ninety four years old at this point. He's a
little bit different because from the rest of the House
of Windsor, which is what Charles and Elizabeth are there
officially the House of Windsor. He married into the family,
so he is from the Royal House of Glucksbourg, which

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is it's a house that has branches in Norway, Greece
and Denmark, so it's not anchored so much in the
way I can understand it directly in Britain. It's more
of those outlying territories. Yeah. I've never really quite kind
of understood exactly how it is. The royalty in Europe
could like trade places. You know, it's like, oh, we
needed the king, so we're gonna import came from Germany

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because and that's that's it. I I don't I'm not
even gonna try to explain it because I can't wrap
my hands around it. But the thing is, he was
born born royal team. He was born in Greece, which
at that time was in the process of a revolution,

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and his father was a you know, a royal there.
His family was forced to leave Greece when he was
a year old. So there's the stories of him as
a baby in a bread basket being put on a
ship with everybody else. Of course there is is that
not great pr or what? Yeah? And of course somebody

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swapped baskets, don't they replaced him with a vampire? Oh no,
that's no. Uh. So let's go ahead and talk about
the courtship between Philip and Elizabeth. When he was courting
Eliza with he I don't know if he had to
or if he voluntarily did this, but he gave up

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his royal titles in both Denmark and Greece, and he
became a naturalized British citizen, which makes sense because if
you're going to marry a woman who's gonna be the queen,
you should be a naturalized citizen of that country. Um. Yeah,
I don't want that conflict of interest either. And I
know I just kind of said this a little bit

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about Elizabeth, but I've seen the same things about Philip
is that he is, while kind of a cranky old sod,
he's really just a benevolent guy and he's an old
man and everything's fine with him too. He is a conniving, manipulative,
mean guy who will do whatever he wants, and the

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same thing they've been off or they've been on the crown,
on the throne for so long, I can see either way,
because they're just gonna be so many interactions. You thinking
that maybe he's conniving him mean enough to order the
murder of a princess. I don't. You don't know that
that that doesn't make sense to me. But we're gonna
get that later. We're going to totally get there. Let's

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move forward, though, to the next set of players that
I'm going to talk about, because I know we're gonna
break up some of this so that we don't have
to hear me drowning on this because I'm already getting
bored hearing like, why don't you talking about the coreges
the last one, the last two players that we're going
to talk about, who really they're not direct players, but
they're Diana's children. So there's Prince William, whose official title

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is Prince William, Duke of Cambridge. He was born in
nineteen eighty two. And then there is Prince Henry of
Wales and he was born in night. So there's two
about two years. There's about two year and a half,
two years between the boys. Daniel Devon um um. But

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I mean, well, probably as we talked about, they know
William because he had a son two years ago and
or three years ago, and then they just had the
new daughter just as the time that we're recording this,
that happened like a week and a half ago to
be super super recent. I don't really pay attention to
the British royal family at all. When Diana died, the

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boys were respectively fifteen and twelve, So williams fifteen, Henry
was twelve. I know they walked in the royal procession
with the coffin, and they don't play any direct role
in our story. They're more what I think we would
refer to sometimes is kind of collateral damage because they're

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the ones who have to pay the price for everything
that happened, whether regardless of what happened. Yeah. Um, there's
a very cute little quote, not that it pertains to
a story so much. I think I know where you're going.
The little story of when Diane Anna and Charles got divorced.
She was stripped of her what's called the style, which
is the her most royal highness. Right, she's still Diana,

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Princess of Wales, and Lady Diana would still be there. Yeah,
but she's no longer her most royal Highness or her
royal Highness. I could live with that. And so she
was stripped of that, and William, trying to comfort his mom,
kind of comes over and you know, pats around the
shoulder and says, don't worry Mom, when I'm king, I'll
give it back to you. So cute. Oh Mummy, I'm sorry,

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it's cute. I just think it's cute. Yeah, no, no,
it's it's a it's an absolute, totally a thing that
an adolescent, pre adolescent boy would say to comfort a parrot.
I also think it speaks volumes of you know, kind
of it's this is their tragedy, and we don't want
to belittle that. No, absolutely not. And I think that's
something to point out here, is that we're going to

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go into a lot about the family and a lot
about different people, and I don't I don't want anybody
to lose sight of the fact that we understand that
three people died and that's a tragedy. These boys lost
their mother and that's a tragedy. So we're we're not
going to dismiss that. But we've got to talk about

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We've got to get into some of these things because
that's just that's the nature of the beast, Like we
have to dig down and find a little justice for day,
you know, yeah, yeah, somebody got away with murder. I think,
all right, we're going to wrap up the players here.
We've got two more people to talk about. There they
are the five heads. Dot Id was the younger the two.

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He was a son of Mohammad Alfad dot I Fad
was born in nineteen in the Egypt. It was the
son of a billionaire named Mohammed al Fayed. He went
to fancy schools in Europe. After school, he served as
an attache at the U a embassy in London, being
United Arab Emirates. He worked as a film producer for
a while. I assume bank rolling films with dad's money.

(31:58):
But something you've actually heard of some of these films
Chariots of Fire f x f X two hook was
scarlet letter hook. The scarlett wasn't a scarlet letter the
one with any more. Oh, I don't know. I never
saw that, never saw either the cliff notes of that book.
Why would I watch the movie? Actually, that's one of

(32:19):
the books that I actually managed to make it through
topic here the He also worked for Herod's in London.
You guys have heard of Harrods and The Times. Yeah,
it's pretty huge. By the way, his dad bought Herod's.
So yeah, being a rich guy enabled dad to do
really cool stuff like hanging out on a two point
goat in the Mediterranean. The Princess of Wales. Yeah, yeah,

(32:42):
how cool would that be? Yeah? Doughty actually met Prince
Charles and Princess diet way back in a polo tournament.
After checking that divorced in ninety six, I started dating
around and eventually started dating Doughty, which I think I
think it was about July n seven. They were only
dating for I think like forty seven days long at all,

(33:04):
not long. Yeah, and of course um Doughty died that
night with Diana. Yeah. His dad, Mohammed Alfa had was
born in Egypt uh and married Samira Kashogi, who was
a sister of Odd Nakashoki. You guys are probably heard
about his big major Saudi arms dealer. Yeah, and that

(33:27):
that guy I did a lot of other stuff too.
But yeah, so so Dodi was the nephew of Odd Nakashoki.
I guess interesting, huh. But yeah, but they were only
together two years. They only had one child. Later on,
Alfa Mohammed remarried and had four other kids, but that
was the only child by this woman. Uh Alfa had

(33:48):
founded a shipping company in Egypt, moved to Genoa, Italy.
In the sixties, he moved to London, fell in with
the Amir of Dubai and luckily big for him, big
things were happening in Dubai that he got in right. Yeah,
when Dubai found oil, that region found oil and so
suddenly started booming. Yeah, Dubai actually doesn't have a huge

(34:09):
amount of oil, it sol, but they're kind of like
the Hong Kong of the Middle East, and so that
there's a lot of shipping through the everything comes through
a lot of financial transactions there. Yeah, I knew there
was something like yeah. Yeah, so it's they're extremely wealthy.
Lots of imported camels too, yeah, true, he's laughing. Yeah,
they import their camels, yeah, really laughing, Yeah, they do.

(34:33):
So he was involved with all kinds of different business dealings.
He was worth well well in access of a billion
dollars and when when when that meant something crazy and
still now, but when that was insane? Yeah exactly. There
weren't that many billionaires back and back in the way. Yeah. Yeah.
By the way, he also bought the Ritz Hotel in

(34:54):
Paris in seventy nine, which is kind of where a
story begins, it does a little bit. Yeah, the Ritz Hotel,
not not in nineteen seventy nine. Yeah, that's an odd
bit of wayback machine. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, at the
Ritz Hotel and all originated their Doughtie and Diana were
there on actually on Saturday August, So I guess a

(35:20):
few years after bought the hotel, Princess Diana arrived in
Paris with her then boyfriend, as we mentioned, Doughty fay
Ed via private jet. As we mentioned Alpha Ed Mohammed
Mohammed Alpha Ed, which is Doughtie's father, owns the Ritz
Hotel and Diana and Dodie planned to spend the night there.

(35:43):
They had spent the nine proceding days and nights together
as well. Um, kind of just bumming around. I believe
they were on a ship right there, on a freaking yacht,
super yacht. Yeah, kind of kind of the head of
security on RE Paul, right, We've seen it both ways.

(36:04):
It's French, so I think it's on RE, but a
lot of people say it's Henry. Um, we'll probably just
call him Paul, Mr Paul. Yeah. He had been instructed
to drive Doughty and Diana in a rented black Mercedes
Benz from the hotel to an apartment that Offayette also
owned in town, since the paparazzi were becoming kind of

(36:28):
a huge issue and the couple wanted some privacy, which
I think is totally understandable. I guess we kind of
just I just kind of ran with this. I'm ready.
I've had an energy drink. I'm sorry everybody, I'm ready
for it. Uh, we're talking about the crash, the overview
of the crash, and the night, the night that Doughty,
Diana and uh Mr Paul on Re died. We're not

(36:54):
talking about players anymore. We're in the story. Yes, yeah, sorry,
I'm just excited about this. I'm so sorry. Finally, after
months of research, tell our story for real. Though, a
decoy car left the hotel just prior to the real car,
which was meant to distract most of the paparazzi. It's

(37:15):
I think it did. Actually, there were quite a few
of many of them, many most of them, most of
them at t am so. I guess it's August thirty
one now. Dodi and Diana departed by the rental car
driven by Ri, who many report had been drinking that
night but may and may have been taking some prescription
pills that would have impaired his ability to react quickly,

(37:38):
like you know, you'd want your driver to be able
to do. And we will talk about that is really
deep and in fairness to Tonri that he actually got
maybe you're gonna talk about this, but he actually got
off duty at seven pm. Yeah, and then and then
was basically called back by Doughty who existed that he
be the driver. Yeah. Yeah, so it's not as though, Yeah,

(37:59):
I don't know that we were gonna we were the
timeline had been brought up at any point for later on.
But yeah, it said there's a three three and a
half hour gap between him getting off shift and suddenly
being back at work. Yea, yeah, yeah, so it's reasonable
that he could have had a drink or two as
he would want after work. Probably sure. A member of
the Fayed family security team named Trevor Rhys Jones was

(38:24):
also in the car. He was actually uh, he actually
survived the crash. Yes, he was in the front with
reading and then Diana and Dodi were in the back. Yeah,
but I have conflict conflicting reports about whether or not
he was wearing a seatbelt. I have to Yeah, but
his airbag did go off, So his airbag did go off,

(38:44):
And again he may or may not have been having
wearing a seatbelt. It's unclear nobody else in the in
the car was wearing a seatbelt. So he was in
the front passenger seat on Ria was driving, and Diana
and Dodi were in the back seats. Despite the decoy car,
many paparazzi paparazzo. Paparazzi's. Yes, paparazzi were still managed to

(39:09):
realize that this was the real car, and we're following
this car. Reports vary, but it's possible that Diana was not,
in fact actually sitting in the seat like you would
actually sit in a car seat. Some reports say that
she was actually like kneeling backwards in the seat, so
her her knees and legs and shins would have been

(39:30):
on the floor of the back passenger, so her feet
were underneath under the underneath the front seat, and that
she was like leaning over the seat where you would
usually put your bottom right. Is that a good description
of that? And and that was because of the paparazzi.

(39:51):
She was trying to not be photographed. And I guess
you would kind of feel, you know, you kind of
get wedged in there, that would feel kind of safe.
I don't I don't think it was a good decision. Well, no, no, no,
I've seen I've seen people do that where they crawl
into the floorboard of a car to avoid photographers, and
it never fails. Somebody takes a picture of him peeking

(40:13):
up out of the floor well, looking like a ding
dong with that deer in the headlights look and it's like, I, men,
just sit in your seat and hold your jacket up
so they can't see you and be comfortable. Yeah, but
but it was also a long ways to be sitting
in that position. Yeah, it was. It was a while.

(40:33):
So Henri was driving pretty fast. We'll talk about this minute. Yeah,
we don't know exactly how, we don't know how fast,
but definitely faster than the suggested what thirty five a
lot faster than that, definitely at least twice as fast,
probably more. And right before he entered an underpass, or

(40:57):
right as he entered an underpassed he lost control of
the car. And we'll talk about why in a minute. Yeah, somebody,
uh is coming actually out of the underpass? Did you
go in the other direction? And at the in the
inquest actually reported that he was speeding in at a
high speed and he appeared to be veering to his left. Yeah,
unknown reasons. Yeah, so we don't know. There's a lot

(41:19):
about this that we don't know. So I'm just gonna
kind of go, yeah, this is fact that no happen.
We know he lost control of the car. Yes, for why,
we don't know, but we know he lost lost control
of the car. He swerved kind of into the oncoming lanes,
like to his left. He didn't make it into the
oncoming lanes, but he swerved towards the oncoming lanes and

(41:41):
hit one of the support beams of the underpass. It
was support beam. Yeah, and let's let's kind of give
everybody a bit of a description here. This is almost
like an underpassed tunnel. It is. Yeah, it's not. You know,
we all we have underpasses that we all drive through
the time. And there's maybe one or two pillars. There

(42:03):
were I think on the order of thirty plus maybe
forty pillars that was under a large, large road, and
they were they were like every ten or fifteen they were.
It was a very long distance, that's the thing. And
they were very closely space essentially on the otter walls.
It's kind of like smooth tiled walls stone. And then

(42:24):
the part the separates of the northbound and southbound lanes
or eastbound and westbound lanes. I guess is all these
columns is that the tragic thing about this is that
these deaths would have been very easily preventable if the
City of Paris would just put a guardrail on either
side of This particular tunnel is the only tunnel that

(42:46):
doesn't have them. Every other tunnel does. It still doesn't.
And apparently a lot of people have died in that tunnel,
not just Princess die. Yeah. Anyways, yeah, wow, he so
easily distracted. Yeah, I mean, we got so much material
to go over. The car hit one of the support means.

(43:07):
It was the thirteenth support meme, as I said, and
it caused the car to spin like kind of backward
kind of you know, it ran into it and then
the momentum of the back kind of kept going sun out,
so the car is now facing backwards that it kept
going and came to crash on the left side of

(43:28):
the car up against the wall of the underpass tunnel rightly.
It was the driver's side. So Diane Company not only
had this this big impact on the front that was deadly,
but then they got long around on the inside and
then they're getting heads beaten against you know. And just
to try to visualize this a little bit for folks

(43:49):
to put into words and maybe help because it was confusing.
Every description I read made it confusing. Is if you're
in the States. You're driving on the right hand side
of the road and you have a left hand lane
next to you, and those are both the same direction
of travel. Car on the left hand lane hits something
and it does a one eighty. So this is to me,

(44:12):
it's a very simple way to describe it. Mean, you
hit the car on the left hand lane, hit something
head on, does a hundred eighty degree spin, and then
continues to skid backwards so that it is now facing
was originally traffic moving in the same direction is now
oncoming traffic. The impression I had actually was that it

(44:32):
attempted to do a three sixty but right. And that's
why I'm calling it a one eight, because it's spun
because of that impact. It bounced from what was the
left lane, the left edge of the left lane, to
the right edge of the right lane, and it's now
facing the opposite Yes, and now it's facing the direction
it came from. Honestly, just look up pictures. Yeah. One

(44:54):
reason to spun is that it didn't hit dead on step.
No hit on the driver's side. And that's the only
reason the guy you survive survived is if that thing
it hits square on. Yeah, there would have been no
survivors for any amount of time. Well, there would have
been if they had all been wearing their seat pills.
Based on the situation, none of them would now. Yeah,

(45:15):
but again I've I've drawn a soft track. I apologize.
So the photographers paparazzi that had been following the car,
they were a bit behind because they weren't driving as
fast as on recause they couldn't. Because they couldn't they
were they were, they were pretty much all on motorcycles,
I think. Yeah. But when they arrived, many of them
ran to the crash to help victims, some who are

(45:39):
truly just human garbage checks did not and decided that
they would just take some pictures of the accident in
defense of those guys. So, I mean, there's only so
many people who can reach in there and take people's
poulses and stuff like that, so you might as well
be taking pictures. I guess. I don't think that's I
think that you know, that was one of the reasons
that this was such a huge scandal, as because there

(46:00):
was such a huge capitalization on a giant tragedy. If
you're the first person on a scene like this, The
fact that you're like, well, I can't help, so I
may as well make a whole buttload of money. Just
makes me think that you are one of the worst
kind of human beings. Yeah, anyways, but some of them
actually did administer first aid. Yeah, some of them did

(46:20):
try to help. Try. Both men on the left side
of the car, which was driver on re Paul and
then the real ps rear passenger Doughty fa Ed were
dead I think pretty much on impact on the impact
with the poll. Yeah, there's a whole list of their injuries,
but it's safe to say they were they were super dead.

(46:41):
Responders apparently first responders. Medical responders did apparently try to
resuscitate Doughty, but I think that that was probably more
for Diana's sake than anything else. Why why do you
say that? Because I know Diana didn't die right away,
but why was it her? Well? So, okay, so one
of the reasons that you would administer CPR, By and large,
I don't know if people know this or not, but

(47:01):
by and large, CPR does not successfully resuss tate people.
Sometimes it happens, very but very rarely does it actually
happen Nine times out of ten, if a first responder
is performing that. It's to calm the people who are
bystanders or loved ones. So if you have a woman
who is ostensibly in love with a guy, whether or
not that's true, right cares about this person is probably

(47:23):
in shock, massive shock, probably has huge injuries. The last
thing you want her doing is also freaking the crap
out that why are you not helping? Yes, so I
see where you're heading. That's my opinion. That's not something
that you know, people say around, but in my opinion,
that would be they would be more trying to do
that just to kind of calm her down a little bit,

(47:46):
like you no, No, that makes sense. And I've read
the research on how ineffective cprs in most situations because
cprs for getting the respiratory process going and getting the
the pulmonary process going. But most things that people fall
down dead from are not that. So that doesn't that

(48:07):
doesn't stimulate anything because those aren't the causes. Well, it
doesn't restart. It does help circulate until you can restart.
I got it. Anyways, as Diana, Diana, as I said,
was reported to have been kneeling in the back seat,
and reports do differ either she was still in that
position with her you know, back to the road, or

(48:28):
sitting in the back seat with her head rested on
the back of the front passenger seat. So depending on
what position she had been in the crash, most reports
are that Diana had no serious outward injuries, which has
been a big reason for a lot of conspiracy theories,
especially the more sinister ones. She was conscious, she was
rumored to have been murmuring, oh my God, and leave

(48:51):
me alone. One photographer who was trying to help said
that she was sitting on the seat with her head
rested on the front of the seat, with blood coming
out of her nose and ears, and that her feet
were stuck. That he had tried to help her out
of the car and under the Yeah, he said that
he told her that help was on the way, and
she just blinked and didn't say anything. And as a

(49:13):
side note, there are photos of her after the accident,
sitting in a car. Those guys, some of those guys
did take pictures there. Well, there's there's a one very
iconic photo of like people kind of standing around her
and she's just sitting there, totally unaffected, totally fine. From
a lot of stuff that I've read, and I'm inclined
to believe it. That's actually a photo from earlier in

(49:34):
the night when she was getting into the car thereund
when they got in the car leaving the hotel. Yeah,
and if you kind of look closely at that picture,
it doesn't look like the car's trashed really, and I
it's really it's a super zoom in. There are photos
that are probably her of you can kind of just
see the top of her head and like the car

(49:54):
super trashed and that that I'm i'mclined to believe that
that's her, But I don't think that one picture a
lot of I've read a couple of things that said
that's actually picture from early in the night, and I'm
definitely inclined to believe it. I think you'd be able
to tell because the car, I mean, if you've seen
pictures of the car, and I'm sure you guys have,
and then they cut the top off of the Jaws

(50:15):
of Life to get people like that car was completely
blitzed once they were done with it after the accident
and after the recovery and the pictures that I that
I do believe it's after the Jaws of Life you
can see Diana's little blonde head sitting there in the
seat a little blunted. I mean, that's why. But the

(50:39):
one that is apparently that people say, you know, look,
she's not injured at all. It's from earlier in the night.
I'm pretty sure. Yeah, I totally I'm on board with that. Yeah, Trevor,
Remember Trevor. He was conscious, but he sustained really serious
facial injuries because the airbag had deployed. Again, no good

(51:01):
reports on if he had a seat belt or not.
I don't think he probably did. I've heard he was
the only one who had I've heard that too, but
I've also heard that he didn't have a seat belt.
It's hard to tell. I think what is important to
note is he hit his head really hard. And I
kept asking the question. I actually asked you guys this
question just right before we started recording. I was like, oh, yeah,

(51:25):
there was a survivor. How come he can't tell us
what happened? And it's like, oh, yeah, he hit his
head really hard. He probably lost his memories from hours, days,
weeks before. I have known people have been at serious
accidents and they say they have no memory of it. Yeah, No, memory.
I've been in car accidents where the airbag went off,
and I remember the airbag going off, but that's it.

(51:46):
Like I don't remember minutes prior or minutes after, because
it's just such a wall up to the noggin. Yeah
I was. I mean, I was in a car accident
recently and I didn't even hit my head and you know,
the like minute impact. I'm just like, I don't know
what happened. I'm sorry. So let's talk about the timeline
of emergency responders. Um, real question. It sets me up

(52:10):
a little bit, some some red flags here for me.
The first emergency officials to arrive on the scene were
two police officers and they arrived around twelve thirty am.
Two more officers arrived at twelve thirty two am. Doctor
Jean Marc Martino, a specialist in anesthetics and intensive care

(52:30):
treatment who was the doctor in charge of an ambulance,
arrived around twelve forty am. The princess was removed from
the car at one am. Jaws of life take a while.
You want to safely remove from a car, make sure
their next well, some people do, and if the car
is on fire, do that. Otherwise, don't do that you'll get.

(52:55):
She went into cardiac arrest and following external part cardio
wulminary resuscitation so CPR, she was resuscitated. I guess she
was moved to the ambulance at one eighteen am, and
then the ambulance departed the crash scene at one one

(53:15):
am and arrived at the hospital at two. The journey
was it was about a thirty minute minute thirty minute
long drive from the scene to the closest hospital, yeah
or not, I'm sorry, not the closest hospital, we should clarify.
There was a hospital that was closer, but it was
a very small hospital, and the doctor in the ambulance decided,

(53:37):
we're gonna have to move her. If we take her
to this one, we may as well just take her
straight to this other one that's way more equipped to
deal with all the injuries she's dealing with and not
have to, you know, get her kind of stable and
then move her. Well. And one thing I want to
address is a lot of people freak out about this timeline.
Why did it take so long to get her into
the ambulance, Why did it take so long for the
ambulance to leave, and what they don't think about is

(54:00):
the fact that she went into cardiac arrest and they
needed to stabilize her. And a moving vehicle is a
vibrating object with it stops and starts, which is going
to have an impact on the health of somebody's whose
heart rate is unstable already. So that's one of the

(54:20):
reasons that they didn't just as you see in the
TV shows flip the flash of lights and you know,
gun on the gas pedal and rock it down the road.
They couldn't do that. Yeah, that does make a little
more difficult, it does. It is you know, that's it
seems like a long time. I think, you know, half
of me wants to say, that's a long twenty minutes

(54:41):
in between all those things, that's a long time. The
other part of me that's you know, first aid trained
and things like that, wants to say, no, that's totally reasonable.
So I, you know, I'm on the fence on that one. Yeah, no,
I I totally I side with the doctors and medical
professionals and this one because you don't just go bouncing
people around just gone through all that. If these guys

(55:03):
really wanted to like kill her by slow boating, the
whole process of getting into the the hospital. You don't
really need to do that. Get Russia to the hospitals,
which which looks better, and then later on you smother
her with a pillow. It's not yeah, or Russia to
the hospital, knowing that that's going to make things worse,
going to exacerbate the situation. So once she made it

(55:24):
to the hospital, it was discovered that her injuries were
just incredibly severe. Her heart had been displaced to the
right side of her body, Yeah, which of course tore
the pulmonary vein and also the heart of her wall. Surprise, surprise,
the wall of her heart, not the heart of her wall, whichever,
you know. Extensive attempts were made to resuscitate her, including

(55:48):
internal heart massage right which I think you can probably
figure out what that is. Somebody with her hand in
his chest set it cracked her open squeeze or two.
But at four am she was pronounced dead. At two
pm the next day, Prince Charles and Diana's two older
sisters arrived in Paris to collect her body and took
it directly back to London. And she this is another

(56:11):
thing that kind of set some people off. She was
actually embalmbed before she was taken back to London. There
was an autopsy done, although I don't think it was
very curse. It was really cursey. I mean, when somebody's
heart has been displaced to the other side of their body,
I think people kind of say, yeah, that probably did it.
You probably don't need to go in a great depth.

(56:32):
Why would you pull out every organ away, um and
check them and run all this point, it's very obvious
that what happened is everything from the left shifted to
the right. Yeah. And the other consideration I think, and
this is probably fair, is that they didn't think that
her loved ones needed to see her in the state
that she would have had to have been in had

(56:52):
they done all that extensive stuff. They kind of just
did the things they needed to do and sewed her
up and got you know, got her cleaned up and
sent her on her way, which I think is fair.
But that does set a lot of people off, which
I think is also fair. Yeah, that's that. That raises
a lot both things. Yeah, there's some weird stuff in
the crash that we should go back and address real quick.

(57:16):
One of those things is that there may have been
and probably was and b I probably was I mean
sure there was another car involved. The French police issued
a search warrant for a white Fiat un which is
it's basically it's a small hatchback. It's a little dinky car. Yeah,

(57:37):
they weigh nothing. It's like the cheapest hashback car in
the world, that's what it is. Yeah. Apparently the way
they figured it was a white you know, is they
found further off the roadway where the where the Mercedes
had been before a crash. They found the broken tailed
from a and the white paint on this and they

(57:58):
figured out this must have side swap sidewips, you know. Yeah,
and that may be cause the accident or certainly couldn't
have helped things. And let's be very clear here, despite
some of the accusations that have been thrown around that
we are going to stay later in the show, this
car has never been found and identified. The driver has

(58:19):
never been identified. We do not know who was driving
this car or why or what they were doing. And
police did look at they looked at thousands of them. Yeah.
Another weird thing is a bit of reporting about the Bends. Initially,
it was reported that the car had been doing a
hundred and twenty miles an hour, which is a hundred
and ninety kilometers per hour UM, really really fast, and

(58:45):
that the spidometer had jammed in place when the impact
first took place. Later investigators corrected that and said no, no, no,
the car was doing like sixty seventy miles an hour,
and that the spiedometer was digital so it couldn't have
been jamed in place. But the manufacture of the Mercedes
Benz actually said that the spiedometer in this model, and

(59:08):
this is corroborated by all of the literature about these
these cars, this making model. Yeah, yeah, that the spiedometer
is actually computer controlled analog and though the car was
certainly traveling faster than it should have been, the spiedometer
automatically resets to zero when a crash occurs, which you
would expect because it hits something and went to zero,

(59:30):
so it's not moving anymore, so the spidometer is going
to say zero. Yeah, you're doing zero miles an hour
right now. Yeah, But yeah, is a bit of an exaggeration,
though I agree. I'm sorry, but I've I've driven at
those kind of speeds. It's insane, and it's it's on
a flat piece of road, it's fine. I couldn't imagine
trying to do that speed on a road that's got

(59:53):
curves and humps and underpasses. Like, if you're doing that,
that's insane, and I've done it in short bit it's
but not anything like a regular surface road. Well on
rehad a extensive training on like this is why I
think this is why Doughty was like, actually, hey, I
know you're off duty, but can you come drive us
for a minute. Yeah. He he had well with Mercedes

(01:00:17):
been specifically, he had done several driver training courses for
anti kidnapping and anti terrorist situations, which for anybody doesn't know,
I mean, there's high speed driver training like what cops
do where you're in an urban environment and you're you're
on the gas, on the brake, learn how to control

(01:00:37):
the car. And then there's evasion tactics and how to
control a vehicle when it gets hit. Yeah, these are
the things, and this is specifically in Mercedes Benz vehicles.
Is when he got trained in this specific vehicle, not
this exact one, but this make and model. Yes, So
for as a general statement, most brand the vehicles, all

(01:01:01):
cars in that brand are going to operate essentially the
same so if I'm an a Ford Focus and then
I jump into the Ford Sedan, which is the next
size up, they're going to operate essentially the same and
that's kind of different kind of weight behind you. Yeah,
but I think it's worth mentioning. Yeah, the guy should
have he would have known what he was doing in
in these high speed, possible, unpredictable road conditions. Yeah, do

(01:01:27):
anything else about the crash before we move on the theories?
What about the crash? I let me think now, they
after the spot where they found the Fiat till they
found a hundred and six ft of skid marks veering
to the left and in column, and then it's it
appears that after the car hit the thirteenth column and

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sort of half bounced off, swung around, and came to
rest up against the outer wall of the tunnel, it
appears that the Fiat you know must have driven past
him on his left hand side and left the yet,
which suggested to me that maybe the guy you know
was either felt to be felt he was a fault,
or maybe he was drunk or suspended or something something

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and he just didn't there stick around. And here's well,
here's something we haven't talked about this, this whole thing
yet that we should probably bring up now. Europe is
chuck full of cct cameras. There is no footage of
this chunk of the road into that tunnel because the

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cameras weren't on. Yeah, I think there's multiple reasons. I
mean I've heard that they were down for maintenance of her,
that they only run during rush hour times. I mean,
I don't know exactly. I never got a clear picture
of why they weren't running. Well, there's their their cameras
at the at the entrances of this tunnel. But I
got this from the the British inquest about this thing,

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and they were not taped. They were just monitored in
an office and the office closed at eleven pm. And
so that's why there's no video or anything like that.
That's insane to me that if you can, if you
can pull recordable footage, why you wouldn't at least pull
it and put it put it on a loop so
that you could ten hours later go oh we really

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need the two o'clock this afternoon crash or something like that. Well, yeah,
I mean this is not years ago. So and most
of the CCTVs that were along the route. We're not
even turned towards the road. You know, A lot of
a lot of their thought made made a huge stink

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about that. But it turns out they identified I don't
know what, maybe ten fourteen cameras along that, but there
were some that were pointed towards the entry of the underpass,
and that's I thought there was at least one or two.
Most of the ones that they drove past were actually
privately owned, and they were actually directed more towards security,

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so they were actually pointed at the front, so they
weren't actually road cameras. I no, no, I don't think
highway cams. I understood this as they were highway cams,
so that's why I brought it up. Okay, well, then
never mind, I'm completely off base on that one. Yeah.
The only other thing I want to mention, just briefly

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before we get into theories, is that some eyewitnesses reported
seeing a bright flash as the car entered the tunnel
in our past. Yeah, I say that in an annoyed monitone.
And we'll talk about in a minute. I'm pretty sure,
but or I guess it's we have to mention it.
We have to mention and it does into this next theory,

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which is the first theory. Right, we need to talk
about theory number one. The paparazzi. They did well, they
were responsible. So let's let's do a little bit of here,
or a little bit of info. We've covered some of
this briefly, but let me just kind of run into
some of this. Is it's interesting. It's obvious why they

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were int did in her. She's Lady Diana. She is
the the ex wife of Prince Charles, who is heir
apparent to the throne of England. She's the mother of
the future King of England. Correct. And then there's there's thirty.
He's his dad. Is this giantly rich man who has

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his fingers and so many pies. I mean, it makes
sense why they would be interested in both of them,
though mostly I'm pretty sure they were interested in Diana.
In the nineties, people may not know this. I mean,
I think people are used to this now, but this
was kind of record breaking at the time. Is in
the nineties, several photographs of celebrities started selling for tens

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of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars to tabloids.
This became a huge money making industry, and while I
personally don't think that it is a profession, it was
a job that could make you a very rich individual

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if you got the right shot. Though, you know, the
right shot being a picture of two people in a car. Yeah,
if you got the picture of them doing the nasty
when they shouldn't have been. That's one making out on
the beach or the yacht, sure, yes, but traveling car
not so interesting. Yeah, And it said they really really

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was not all that necessary to drive fast, I mean
christ sakes, And unless they were trying to lose them,
which they were about to do. I think they were
trying to lose them. They didn't want to know where that.
They didn't want them to know where the apartment was,
because the idea was, they're swarming the rits. Let's get
away from the ritz. Let's go to the apartment so
that they don't know where we're at. That's the idea.

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Let's let's talk about some of the paparazzi, specifically the
ones who were chasing them. There were there were there
were nine of them who were charged with manslaughter in
France based on the accident. Because they were they were
deemed to have been in some way responsible for the accident.

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Those charges were thrown out in two thousand and two,
which makes sense when you think about it. I don't
think they were there, so yeah, that makes sense. There
were three of them who were convicted of invasion of
privacy for taking pictures of the couple, and this is
so weird. They were fined in two thousand six one

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euro apiece. I suspect that about what they sold their
photos for. I don't, I don't. I really don't understand
that you could make any money taking pictures to Diana
because everybody was doing it. Yeah, you have to get
a really compromising photo. And then the guys that took
the photos at the crash site probably could have sold

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them for a lot of money. But there's a lot
of scuffle about that. But let's let's just kind of
let's move into the actual theory portion here. So people
believe that the paparazzi are responsible for the crash in
two different ways, as we've just briefly touched on. The
first is that they were responsible because they were chasing

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the couple, because as we talked about, they sent the
decoy car out, and then a little bit later, you know,
most of the paparazzi chase the decoy car, but not
all of them took debait, and some of them figured
out that they were still there and they chased the
car from the back of the hotel where they actually
left from. Of course, then that meant that it's their

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fault that they were driving so fast and so erratically
to try to escape them. I do want to point out,
and we we touched on this earlier, is that the
paparazzi were on motorcycles a k a. Mopeds like a
vestmus so one guy driving, one guy on the back.
So two dudes on a Vestment which doesn't have a

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high speed. It's super maneuverable, so you can get in
and out and get your photos and get out, but
you cannot keep up with a Mercedes Benz S two eighty.
That thing has a V eight engine in it. Yeah,
and it was being driven pretty quickly. It's a high
power car. It's going to be able to escape them quickly.

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But the point is, it's it's theorized that if they
had just not done their job so well, there's a
way to say it, then of course Henri wouldn't have
had to drive so fast to try to escape them
or evade them that then this wouldn't have happened. So although,

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you know, I would argue that if I were the
lawyer to argue that, you know, hey, these people are
trying to my clients, they should have found more creative
ways to escape my clients than driving like breakneck SpeI
the middle of Paris. Yeah, no, that's that's an absolutely
valid point. Yeah, I think that these guys just needs
to get creative about evading paparazzi. I need to hire me.

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I would. I would have him figure it out. Well,
you know, the easy answer is blacked out windows, but hey,
what do I know you can do that. The other
version of the theory is that they caused the crash directly.
This is kind of an outside theory, but it is
one thing. It's one of the theories that Mohammad Alfa
had really really gets in bed with one of the hundreds.

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That guy, what was it like seventy or eighty theories
he purported to the Inquisition saying, it's it's some absurd number.
It could have been that, it could have been that,
it could have been this, it could have been I mean,
like it's almost as if he sat down for three
months row done every idea that could have been possible,
and then submitted those But what he says, or what

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what the theory is is, and Joe talked about this earlier,
is there's the bright flash or it was you okay,
thank you. If this theory is right, the bright flash
was caused by the flash from a camera. So there
is a photographer trying to take a photo and they

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take a photo and the flash blinds Onnre to the
point that he can't see, so that he loses control
of the vehicle. People who saw the Mercedes enter the
tunnel didn't say that they saw the paparazzi with them,
so that makes me think that they had evaded them.

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So therefore the whole flash things seems a little weird.
But we've also talked about the white Fiat that you know.
There are theories that say that when the Mercedes was
going into the tunnel, there was the Uno and three motorcycles.

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The first theory is that there's the Mercedes directly in
front of and to the right of it is the
Fiat trying to slow it down and trying to slow
it down, and behind it is the motorcycles, or the
UNO is next to the Mercedes and then the motorcycles
are behind both vehicles. This theory runs that the UNO

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was trying to get in front of to slow down
the Mercedes so that the photographers on the motorcycles could
get their photos, which I can see, but it doesn't
it doesn't work for me, or that the FIAD was
trying to get up next to the Mercedes and take
a picture. Both of these are saying that in some

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way somebody with a super bright flash on their camera
was getting next to a car and there was interference
in that bright flash is what. Then blinds are so
that he loses control. But that would take an amazing,
an amazing intelligence network to come up with their route

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ahead of time to position a Fiat ahead of them.
I call that blind luck to have been Holy crap,
we're on the same route as as Diana and Dotti
a Doughtie. Oh my gosh, how could that be? But
there's also this and the witness accounts of everything going
into the tunnel and out of the tunnel. They're unreliable

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at best. We've talked about witness states, some conflicts, they're
not all the same. Nobody reported. For example, I got
I read a number of different accounts that people people
who saw the Mercedes go into the tunnel, they were
like coming out of the tunnel the other way, for example,
And they didn't say anything about a Fiat, a white Fiat. Correct.

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But I have seen stuff about reports of seeing coming
out of that tunnel another black or possibly white Mercedes
that did in fact go in with them and speed
out of the tunnel without them and disappear into the night,

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a different kind of Mercedes, a different Mercedes vehicle. So
two Mercedes went in, one came out. But the color
of that second Mercedes changes from traumatically white to black
depending on what you see. So well, if it was black,
it could have been a decoy. In Diana and Dotie

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are still alive, that's probably what it is. Probably with Tupac,
there was and I know there was at least one
other car ahead of them in the tunnel too, because
they also the driver of that car reported the white
flash also correct. And I know we're to go into
some of that indeed talk, but but yeah, I know.

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So it's it's hard because there's so many differing accounts
of so many at least three two to three vehicles,
not counting the motorcycles. Yeah, that's hard. I'm not sure
where I land. I don't know, I don't I don't think.
I think the paparazzi are scumbags, but I don't think

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that per se. It's their fault and that obviously they
didn't deliberately do it because they don't want to kill Diana.
What a way to kill your paychecks for real. Let's
move on to our next theory. Yeah, this is this
is the man. There's so much on this one. Just
so you guys know, prepare you know, take your potty

(01:15:47):
break now if you need to. Joe has written an
entire episodes worth of information on this next Yeah, we're
gonna be talking fast. So the next theory is that
the royal family on with m I six and the
S A S got together and murdered Die. And what's

(01:16:07):
the s I S? Yeah, special says a special air service.
But what I meant with special service but the special
airy services, the special special service like in campuses, like
the whole ball of wax, like in My six at
My five. M I five is counterintelligence and then m
I six is overseas spying. That kind of thing you
don't get if you've seen a James Bond movie, you know, yeah, exactly. Uh,

(01:16:30):
the this is the series put forward by Muhammad alf
shocking one of the seventy. Yeah, he's put together put
together quite a bit of cool conspiracy theories here. I
actually actually have a theory about Alpha Ad, which is
that he's really proud of the fact that his his
son was dating Princess Die and he just wants to
keep reminding people about it. We can talk a lot

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about Alfad in a little bit. Yeah, he's an interesting guy,
he is. So why did they do this? Why did
the royal family want to murder because, accoring to the
Alpha had that I was pregnant with his child. Yeah,
not not Mohammed's child, and apparently they were going there

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on the break of announcing their engagement. Can can I
stop you for a second. Yeah, do you know how
infuriating tabloids are. There's a baby bomb. No, it's called
a human woman who has a normal belly in a
one piece bathing suit. But he has an abdomen. But

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it wasn't It was the tabloids. They were putting this
out there. Well, no, but the tabloids put put out
photos of dies baby bomb and stuff like that. It's like, oh,
my gosh, cut it out. She's just a person. It's
just been guzzling a lot of beer. It's it's particularly
frustrating in this point. We haven't actually talked much about this,
but people may or may not know Diana was severely

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blimic for a good portion of her life, and so
that was something she actually struggled with. So it's like
extra frustrating to know that she had those body issues
and to hear, you know, the tabloids were like, oh,
it's a baby bump for her. Oh, she's gaining some
healthy weight. Punds of extra weight on she annoying anyway, Well,

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it was the whole, the whole Diana thing was annoying. Frankly,
I think I think Diana would have considered me her
her ideal fan because I didn't give it, damn. Yeah.
And that was so was pregnant. So they were going
to announcer with Deli's child, and so Princess Prince Philip,
not Princess Philip. Prince Philip gave the order to rub

(01:18:41):
her out because they obviously didn't want to have you know,
like a Muslim child in the Royal family Islam Islamic
Islamic child. But uh and the services apparently used the plan.
It was similar to one surprisingly that have been cooked
up in to assassinate slow the Sloba Don Wilson, which

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involved a bright flash with a bright flash. You guys,
bright flash with a bright flash, and bright flashes can
do a lot. Actually you actually can. With the bright
enough flash, you can actually stun people. Actually caused him
a conk out temporarily. You can disorient them hugely. But anyway,
let's go ahead with this. Alpa had said this is Mohammed,
that Andree Paul was working for an intelligence service and

(01:19:22):
that he was somehow instrumental in the plan to kill
Diane Doe, which is funny because you know he killed himself.
Well you know, he employed he was his deputy head
of security of course at the at the time. At
the time, he didn't know this. He found this out
later until it was sourced. Somehow he was part of
this plan knowingly or not. He might have just been
a catspaw. He also said that James Andenson, who was

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a photographer, was also working for an intelligence service and
that he was present at the accident. He was president
of the president of the accident, wasn't he photographer James Anderson. No,
But of course this is just, this is just the
accusation is a Muhammad fiad uh It says was working
for an intelligence service. He was at the accident. Onsen

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he claimed owned a white Fiat Uno which he had
used somehow to cause the accident. His Fiat Uno was
later examined by the French police and found to be
the one that left white paint on the Mercedes. On
the endor of the Mercedes. Onison died in May two
thousand suspicious circumstances in a car fire, which was ruled
as a suicide. But if I had said that the

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unusual circumstances of the fire indicated that he was murdered
by the security services, although he allowed it, perhaps on
the senor just committed suicide out of guilt over murdering
Diane Dote. So yeah, okay, okay, well let's keep rying
with this one, because I really I do like this.
I like this, but there's red flags for me, are
things that I'd like way to see. But I know
we're gonna get to tongue. This is yeah, this is

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something that was extensively investigated. It's not like he just
made these accusations and nobody looked at here's the Yeah,
there's the inquisition, Operation the inquest. Yeah, what was it,
Operation Paget. I think I thought it was wrong. I
don't know, probably anyways, I don't know what it's onounced, Yeah,
eight hundred and or something. I think it's eight hundred

(01:21:16):
and thirty two pages. I think we read parts of
it at least. Actually, I gotta tell you, I read
hundreds of pages of that and I didn't finish it,
but always, but I read a lot of it. But
this was one of the things they investigated in that,
isn't it. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, exactly. They had a whole
chapter on the on the whole M I six Royal

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family accusation. There were other accusations that were also kind
of suspicious. There was a guy in the British embassy
named Richard Spearman who apparently was supposedly m I six,
and he showed up in Paris um just like a
few days before the accident. Coincidentally speaking, another guy in
Nicholas Langman, also with M I six, supposedly in the

(01:21:59):
Paris Embassy or rived in Paris, he said, a week
before the accident, and left a week after. Mohammed had
said that this is what he said, although some versions
just say that he actually was actually arrived a couple
of years earlier, and he was on a four year
posting and then he was pulled out like a week
after the murders, which is like unprecedented because when you

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post somebody to a country, they have to go through
all kinds of training specific to that country. They have
to they have to go through language training and all
kinds of stuff. There's a big investment. So if you
pull somebody out two years into huge laws, right, Yeah,
So how how to explain that Nicholas Langman was suddenly
jerked back to London just like a week after. So

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that's that you had. Uh. There were also two British
photographers presence at the Ritz on that night. They both
were overheard to be speaking English. Nobody had seen them before,
and the paparazzi all knew each other. Everybody everybody knew
everybody were strangers. You're always hanging out at the same places,
you're going to get to know oh yeah, and so

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these two strangers were hanging out there well, what's that
all about. Well, maybe because there's a foreigner. Maybe because
there's a big crowd and people are saying, hey, Princess
Dia is here. Now, that's crazy talk, crazy insanity. So
almost all these claims originated with a guy named Richard Tomlinson,

(01:23:26):
who was an m I six officer from apparently to
nine when he was dismissed under quote acrimonious circumstances unquote.
I don't know what that means, but apparently, Yeah, it
was not not a good term to a dishonorable discharge. Yeah.
I kind of like that. I didn't like him. Yeah.
Thomlinson published a book about his time in a special

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service in two thousand one, which was called The Big Reach.
In the bookie details and encounter with a co worker.
Co worker says, one day, hey, take a look at
this memo. Tell me what you think. The memo outlines
based three ways to kill Sloba Don Melosavik we've all
heard of if you haven't to do a google on them.
The that one basically was about half half in just

(01:24:09):
justifying the assassination of Sloba Don, like you'd have to yeah, exactly,
And the rest of it was like kind of a
how to how do we do this? And so there
was one Yeah, bullet point number one. Yeah, bullet point
one power point presentation one. The one would be that
Special Service commando is just assassinate them directly rifle. Yeah.

(01:24:30):
Another one option too is that Special Service recruits local
militiamen to do it, which is kind of a nice
way to do it. Yeah. And third one was as
Special Service does it, but instead of using guns, they
just kill him by causing his limit to crash. And
the specific plan in this case was by using a
blinding flash to blind his limo driver, preferably in a tunnel.

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Oh that's right. That's why I was being an idiot
earlier and thinking that this was a real thing. You know,
this is a big story. Is sorry to tie together
a lot of details here, but when Tom was Thomas
had first heard about the circumstances of dias car crash,
and he heard about that blinding flash, his memory was

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jolted and he suddenly went back to when he saw
this memo. Convenient. All these details about this plot were
in his book that he published in two thousand one.
He also talked about how in he was working on
an operation to recover weapons. And this actually I'm not
sure if this was in his book or not, but
this is some information that he passed along to Muhammad

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alf Had. He was working on an operation in recover
high tech weapons from the former Soviet Union. And by
the way, this operation was found to have actually existed,
so it wasn't completely lying about this stuff. Yeah, this
guy was full of hot air at times, but not
everything was. But everything was so hard that that's like

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more frustrating to me than anything else, you know, because
it's like, well, some of what you're saying is true,
and it makes sense that people try and cover up
the other stuff that you're saying. So is it true
or are you making it up? But that's that's the
thing of is he really a spy gone rogue and
been kicked out or is he actually his mission is

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a plant to do with these other things, to spin
these other lines. That's that's that's the total deep cover,
really deep cover, or you just a jerk lost his
job and his spouting off. Yeah, there's but there's more
interesting about this, right Oh yeah, definitely yeah. Yeah. This
guy's not done yeah, oh no, not he's he's put

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out a lot of stuff and almost everything like I
said that Mohammed came up with he got from this
guy anyway back to that operation in the form of
set Union. It was in collaboration with the big time
armstealer who maybe that was ad naka Shogi, I don't know,
but he turns out he was in frequent contact with
none other than Mohammed al Fayad, so they yeah, uh,

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and this is all by his memory, of course, of
reading these files. The informant who reported these contacts had
a code name, so Tomlinson didn't know what his real
name was, but he was able to figure out from
going through the files that it was a French guy
who was head of security at the Ritz Hotel in Paris.
That the deputy head. No, no, I know, it's not

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I know we're not saying, but they give people code
names and they hold back a lot of information to
protect those people. So this guy is just like, oh, dude,
totally figured that out. That was just the word jumble.
I questioned credibility. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's no there's there's

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really no point and assigning somebody a code name to
protect his identity and this thing and then just like
leaving information and it obviously indicates where he works and
what his job is. What makes it so easy, works
on the fifth Street and well and the local insurance company.
But nobody will figure that out. The report somewhere between

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floors five and seven. Yeah, anyway, we'll talk more about that.
Tomlinson also heard while he was at Special Service that
there was a member of the paparazzi who was with
m I six, or at least an informant for m
I six, who followed Diana on a regular basis. Yeah, okay.

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The Brits put together an inquest called Operation Peget, which
we mentioned, we mentioned, which was a quart of the
inquiry into all of these allegations which this this thing
has been beaten. This it got so abused in the media,
so many things got called out. Is weird and awkward, odd,

(01:28:49):
and I don't think we're going to go into any
of that logistical parliamentary process just to get people who
have read up on this or what certain documentaries, because
I watched a bunch of the documentaries just to try
to find some of this stuff. Be warned, we're not
going into this operation. Also be warned. I guess people

(01:29:12):
may or may not know. I know, Steve one in
knowing this, but many of the documentaries about this have
been produced by all FAI, A number of them. Yeah,
there are some that are independently produced and some that
are influenced or monetarily or politically by him. Back to

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Operation Hope, I'm not mispronouncing that the contact of that
Special Service first, and they were given access to the
database as another documentation. And of course they didn't let
just anybody look at that stuff. They had to have
to be people with the appropriate security clearances, which most
of the people who are investigating this were though, I
mean it was, it was a high level investigation. Yeah,

(01:29:54):
in quest. Yeah, so, first of all, the assassination memo.
After tom us and left Special Service, he began to
write his books. Obviously, specially the Special Service was not
really keen on this. They instigated still civil proceedings against
him in nineteen to stop him publishing his book. He
was ordered ordered to turn over his manuscript. Chapter eight

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of the manuscript talks about the assassination memo, and in
that version of the manuscript it only discussed using a
drive by shooting to kill Molosavik. That was a little
different that was in ninete October nine seven, after the Desks,
Thomason was arrested for official secrets acts offenses. His manuscript

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was seized again. Chapter eight again had a mention of
the memo in there, but no mention of a plan
to use blinding lights and tunnels to kill people. And
then it made the following year in nineteen Thomlinson first
met Mohammed al Fayod and then in August night Thomason
changed his story. Yeah, yeah, they're actually yeah, the Rishan

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Patch actually was able to find that memo. It was
written in and it did discuss the possible assassination of
a certain Balkan extremist who was not Melissavik, but it
didn't actually talk about it was only a justification for
it as a as a way to pronounce to prevent
genocide and acting cleansing and stuff like that, the sort
of thing you want to prevent. Yeah, exactly. Although actually

(01:31:22):
the guy who wrote it gotten a little bit of
trouble for it. But but that was yeah, that was
about it. He um uh. He talked about the justification
for doing it, but he didn't actually touch on any
methods at all for doing any assassination. So was there
any support for a bright flash of light using a

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bright flash of light? And now Thomlinson claimed that he
was showing lights the special strobes that were used by
a Special Service to to to blind people in helicopters
or whatever, and Special Services says no. And then and
they also point out that by the way you can
get powerful stroke was just about anywhere. Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah,
Thomlinson apparently was shown this memo and he really and

(01:32:06):
he recognized and realized that was the one. And then
he did a lot of this, actually did a lot
of like sort of backpedaling showing the memo by operation
Paget says, says, yeah, this is the one. I must
have misremembered that part about the blinding flashing lights that
killed people in tunnels, and so he took my recollection. Yeah,
and again the blinding white flash. The most people don't

(01:32:29):
recall seeing the blinding white flash. It was not that
well supported that. One of the one of the witnesses
you saw it was a guy named front suad to
the Vista, who was in a car with his wife
in the underpass ahead of the Mercedes, and he claimed
he was seen a white flash in his rear view mirror.
His wife did not, Well, passengers don't look at the

(01:32:51):
rear view mirror. Yeah, but I also think that, you know,
when I'm driving at night, if there's lights, sometimes the
light will catch the mirror in a weird way and
reflect into my eyes and I get really angry. I'm like, a,
who's the jerk with the brides on behind me? And
I'm like, oh, no, it was just they were going
over a bump, if the car was losing control and

(01:33:11):
veering weirdly. There's certainly a number of wide arc both
horizontally and vertically that the headlights. It would have been
really easy for it to just go real quick and
it would have flashed into his face, easily explained as headlights. Right.
And also there were paparazzi in there, Yeah, paparazzi with
flashbulbs going off. Yeah. So that's about it for the

(01:33:35):
white flash. I think a few other people reported it too,
but it's still not that conclusive of the thing to
begin with. As far as the two suspicious m I
six guys at the British Embassy in Paris, I remember
we talked about those minutes ago. Richard Spearman actually did
arrive in Paris to begin a four year posting on August,
so just four days before Diane Do showed up in Paris,

(01:34:00):
but he had been appointed that position in August nine six,
which was almost a year before Diane Doe started dating,
and also in August when he arrived, nobody knew to
Die and Doughtie were going to be showing up in Paris. Anyway,
I don't think anybody really knew. I don't know that
they necessarily planned it, No, I don't think. I don't
think there was. There was talk that there were calls

(01:34:21):
to the paparazzi when they were on their yacht, but
that doesn't mean that there were calls to the rest
of the world to tell everybody, Hey, this is where
we're going, instead of hey, we're here, this is where
we're at. Yeah, especially if you have private security. Yeah,
so obviously you're gonna probably want to keep most of
your move a secret, just for Wes Hassle factor. Let's

(01:34:42):
remember the other shadowy diplomat who who came and went
quickly before and after. His name was Nicholas Langman. He
was recalled to London right after the accident he was
only halfway through his four year posting. But actually he
began his posting in Yeah, and he didn't go back
to England until August nine after serving well four years, yeah, Augus,

(01:35:03):
so he didn't leave the week after he left a
year after a huge difference. Yeah, So let's move on
to nre Paull. Was that my six informants and uh well,
no searches of the Special Service databases and telegram communications
found no mention of him. And they had ways when
they were going through this stuff, they had fint they
had ways to figure out if they're information was being

(01:35:26):
withheld from them. This is again Operation Page. For example,
the telegrams. The telegrams were all numbered sequentially and the
sequence was unbroken, and so that's how they knew that
nothing was being withheld. And they found no mention of
nrepall except for one telegram dated November eighteenth and ninety seven,
which was after his death. Yeah, and that was it,

(01:35:46):
and you would maybe mention that, yeah, yeah you think, yeah,
I could see his name coming up after the fact. Yeah.
Any sense as as to the files that Thomason found
that the head of security the risk was an informant
as I mentioned previously, the operation that Thomason described actually
did exist and he was actually part of that. But
PEGE Operation Page went through the files and found no

(01:36:10):
reference to anybody working at the REDS. Again, I think
we've kind of we we already discredited that. Yeah, pretty much.
So how about James Anderson, photographer the paparazzi though honestly,
should say out of fairness and honestly was not a
full time paparazzi, he actually did. He did so, yeah, paparazzo,

(01:36:31):
You're right, I'm sorry, I forgive me. But he did
like to go down, like you know, in August, he
would go down to the south of France and to
hang out there because there was money to be made
taking pictures of celebrities. Also not a bad place to
hang out. No, not at all. Did James Anderson worked
for the Special Service? Did he? I don't know. Did
he use his white fiata Uno to cause the crash?

(01:36:52):
Did he have a white Fiato? No, as a matter
of fact, he did. Ok. Yeah, it turns out was
he murdered by the Special Service? I mean it's suspict us.
He died in suspicious circumstances. Also, honest and work for
a photography HC called CYPA, a Cyper press agency based
in Paris, which was rated by masked gunmen several weeks

(01:37:13):
after his death, and it took away all of his
electronic equipment, laptops and stuff like that, and the French police,
to top it off, didn't investigate the rate at all. Yeah,
what's up with that? I mean that is a little weird. Yeah, yeah,
it's all very suspicious. This is all good again stuff
put out there by Muhammad fire. We're still I was
gonna I'm gonna say, wait, we need to warn people.

(01:37:35):
Joe is just flipped in back into purported theory section
one of one possible theories. This is one thousand and
one Arabian Nights. We just jumped into. Yeah, this is
this is what what's being said. But we'll talk. We'll
talk about the truth or not of it. Operation feget
looked into Anderson Onesson excuse me, And at first of

(01:37:57):
all they want to the database it's special service, and
found nothing, uh, nothing in the files. He lived on
a farm with his kids and his wife in Lina's
It looks like it's spelled like lignieris, but it's actually
pronounced Lina. Yeah, it's friends, it's out in seventy seven

(01:38:18):
miles south of Paris as the crow flies. He returned
from the south of France to the family farm and
farm in August, according to his diary and also courting
what his wife said, and then on the thirtieth he
was at home then went to bed early because he
had to get up early to catch a flight to
Corsica for a photography. His wife documented this. She corroborated it.

(01:38:39):
He had to drive up to Orly airport. His road.
His drive up was on toll roads, so it was
documented because he paid by credit card. He ended the
toll road at Burgs near his home, and then exited
the road at am, about thirty miles from early airport,
and then bought a plane ticket to Corsica. Am So

(01:38:59):
conceivably he could have used his his and he was
driving his a BMW. He wasn't driving the Yeah, the
un that was in bad shape. Ack, I was going
to say the yeah, I heard it was undable. It
was a garbage car. Yeah, So it could have conceivably
driven out to Paris Costa, the wreck, driven back down

(01:39:19):
all the way to home, picked up is his beamer
and then driven back north again. It would make for
a long night. Also, his wife would have been a
really really heavy sleeper lying yeah to not notice that. Yeah. Yeah,
but there's a lot of emphasis placed on onon sentence
in these theories. Yeah, he's easy and easy scapegoat though,

(01:39:41):
especially since he's dead now and he died under what
people call suspicious circumstances. I don't think are you don't know, No,
I don't think doing the research, don't think they're exactly suspicious.
I mean, if you look at on the wiki page,
it looks pretty hanky. But I found out the wicked

(01:40:02):
pages all wrong. Yeah, big time wrong. Yes, this is
why I love Wikipedia, but it's not the end all beyond. Yeah. Alright,
So so there's one stick, a stick through the heart
there of or someone nail in the coffin. That's a
better way to put it. One nail in the coffin.
Is is that you can knock him pretty much pretty

(01:40:24):
much document that he was not in Paris that night.
I think through the tole World receipt receipts and all
that stuff, and his wife's testimony, also all the all
the paparazzi at the Ritz don't remember, did not remember
seeing him there. Again, it's a clote knit, close knit
grow Yeah, you would think they would know. Yeah. Yeah.
One of the photographers, a guy named Fan Van Sue

(01:40:45):
of Paparazzi. It's told Paget quote. If and it should
have been working in Paris that night, I would have known.
He is not the kind of person to go unnoticed,
apparently and or honest and excuse me. It was a
well known photographer. Also, they went to the closed circuit
TV footage of the crowd in front of the hotel
and he didn't show up. Yeah, it wasn't it wasn't there.

(01:41:06):
So but the white you know, the white yeah, the
white you know, let's talk about it's like kind of
like the white rhino, yeah, or the white buffalo. Yeah,
the white you know. There was a guy who was
in the underpass or the tunnel if you like it,
not the guy I talked about before we saw there
was the blinding white flash and George does on he
was in a car in the under pass and he

(01:41:26):
was he apparently I don't know if he was passed.
I guess he was overtaken by the you know, he
was going in the same direction going in the same direction. Yeah,
the un was swerving and driving slowly and kind of
driving erratically. What's would make sense if you've just been
in this near deadly crash and you've just also, um,
what's the word hit and run, you've like left the

(01:41:48):
scene him in a serious accident. Yeah, you're you're you're
on the run. Yeah, So passing the car, saw the driver.
The driver was white and male, short brown hair. Uh.
And there was a large dog in the rear seat
maybe and all station or a black lamb. Yeah, but okay,
I guess, like in fairness just to like butt in there.
The Fiat couldn't have been already involved in the crash,

(01:42:11):
right if these people were reporting this, because then they
would have stopped to help with the crash after the crash,
after the crash, after the crash, after different these people reported.
These people reported seeing this car after the crash, after
coming out of the coming out of the They were
coming up and out of the tunnel on this and
they saw this car. And yeah, I know the timeline

(01:42:33):
is a little wonky for me, but okay, it is
a little walky. Well that's probably again we've talked about
the time the timeline is hard to hang on. Yeah, okay,
so large dog in the back, Yeah, large dog in
the back. His wife, Sabine, tells a little differently. She says,
they were overtaken by the way you know what swerve
was swerving and nearly hit them, and then it slowed
down and then they passed the car. Was actually kind

(01:42:57):
of makes a little bit of sense. They got they
got past the rack and they were jetting out of there,
and then, you know, and at the meantime, drivers looking
in his rear view mirror seeing what's going on behind him,
you know which, and then it realizes, oh, I'm going
too fast and hits the brakes and slows way down.
So I don't want to draw exactly exactly, so he
panics and then gets it under control. They so they

(01:43:20):
passed him again and again. She noticed that to her
description of the driver was a little different. But she
also noticed it was a big dog in the back
with a long nose, and she's thinking maybe a German shepherd.
But the the Anderson's James, and excuse me, the ands
James Anderson did have a dog, a golden lab which
is probably say the same as what we call it
a yellow lab I think so, yeah, yeah, but she

(01:43:41):
never took on assignments where the goldie has longer hair
than a yellow but basically the same thing. Yeah. Yeah.
So you know, if there was an in the tunnel,
and apparently there was, it does not appear to have
been James Andenson's, you know. Yeah. Well, anyway, as as
befit any vehicle that's used in the Hit of the century,

(01:44:02):
that yeah, that on this Dandison family owned was traded
in on another car, rather than being sent to the
bottom of a river, right, because obviously it was involved. Yeah, obviously. Yeah,
their son James Anderson Junior needed a car in the
local Fiat deal. There was offering five thousand francs for
any Fi trade in any any even even a total

(01:44:22):
piece of junk. They would not, yeah, exactly, And so
they thought, hey, we've got this piece of crap in
our barn and our farm yard not worth five thousand francs. Yeah.
It barely ran it and they mostly used it to
hall trash from the house up to the gate of
the farm which was about a quarter mile away, and
that was because it was all thrashed on the inside.
Was a terrible car to learn to drive in James,

(01:44:44):
go go go take the trash down the road. But
then I don't know how to drive. Well you can't
just take that car? Yeah yeah. And then dad years
later it's like, God, you're such a terrible driver. Well
you look what you taught me in trash car. So
back to Honeston in his farm in his car. The

(01:45:04):
French police somebody dropped a dime on Drain and James Anderson.
In February, they got an anonymous tip that James Anderson
was secretly a Jetty and Joe out. The police in
February received an anonymous tip that Anderson was the owner

(01:45:26):
of the owner of a white Fiat you know, which
is suspicious apparently. Yeah. Yeah. Confronted by police, Anderson was
evasive and sneaky and told them that he traded the
car in and where he traded it in. Yeah, super sneaky. Yeah,
look like no time at all. Yeah, it's telling that
it took him like a fifteen seconds to run the
truth out of him. Yeah. They attracted to the garaguate

(01:45:48):
to be traded in and notably they hadn't sold it
yet because they were about to. Yeah, and they were
able to examine it it was in very poor condition,
which was confirmed by the Anderson family and also of
their neighbors, who confirmed that the car was a piece
of crab. They checked out closely the left rear of
the car and it was mostly pretty much undamaged. So

(01:46:10):
if they had been side swapped by the Mercedes, that
would have been a really really light side swipe, enough
to leave some some paint traces, but not enough to
actually crunch anything. And that's a lucky grazing because if anybody,
anybody who's been in a vehicle collision, yeah, that is
like going at one mile an hour through a parking

(01:46:31):
lot speed to just barely scrape paint. That's oops. I
accidentally didn't turn the wheel hard enough when I was parking. Yeah,
not a I'm doing seventy and I just went next
to you. I never knew it. The thing about it
is is, you know I forgot the left tail light
was broken in the tunnel, which I don't. I don't

(01:46:53):
see how you can whisk by somebody and just barely
touch him, leave a little paint and still break the
tail light. Diana obvious had a hammer interview. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I had had a well known hatred of fuel. Yeah. Yeah,

(01:47:13):
the tail I had been replaced, although it was not
a new replacement. It hadn't been done recently at all. Also,
it appeared that that bat fender from from the look
of it, had had it had not been replaced. Apparently
there are tell tale marks if you replace an entire
fender of a car that marks were left in place.
I have no idea, but yeah, well, most most body

(01:47:34):
panels on older cars were pre painted before they were installed,
so it's not old paint. So when you, you know,
use the screws and the bolts to lock it in,
that's gonna leave an impression in that new paint. I've
actually done this. I pulled the body panel off of
a car and the paint you could actually see where

(01:47:57):
it had been impressed, the washers and stuff. So that
makes total sense to me. Yeah. Yeah, and so that
it had been repainted but at some point, but scratches
and where indicated it. It was repainted a long time
before August seven, probably rattal can Paigne job. Yeah. And

(01:48:18):
according to the the original French police report, the paint
sample they took from the UNO did not actually correspond
to the white paint found on the Mercedes, although it's
from from Andensen's from ye. Just to clarify, so it
wasn't wasn't exactly a strictly from from there from there
annalysis indicated it wasn't strictly a factory Okay, it wasn't. Yeah,

(01:48:41):
although another outfit called l GC Forensics review the evidence
and they came to the conclusion that they can't tell
one way or another. So they came to the conclusion
that it was inconclusive exactly exactly dramatic and also ones
and appeared apparently in TV documentary and behind the wheel

(01:49:01):
of his white you know, and I don't know what
the point of the I guess you wanted to talk about.
You talked about how we've gotten so many miles out
of yeah, like a propagand but craput like one does
with a Subaru these days. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah, I'm a
super commercial with three hundred billion miles. Yeah. So the

(01:49:25):
you know, my conclusion is that makes nothing but nothing
but good sense to use your own car, registered in
your own name, and what you have created in a
documentary as part of an assassination plot that might be
sarcasm for the listeners that have been missing our sarcasm.
Please understand that was sarcasm. Yeah. I think the reason

(01:49:45):
that Joe is bringing this particular instance up though, is
because the world went crazy about him later. Oh yeah,
because he died. Yeah, he did die later on. We'll
talking about that in a minute. But you know, there
were like more than eight million of those things, million
of these things made. Yeah, it's yeah Europe, and in

(01:50:10):
that time, white cars were pretty popular. Yeah. Also, you know,
it was a really tiny car. If you're going to
going out and and like running a big Mercedes City
and off the road, it's probably wouldn't be your first choice. Huh.
Lightweight vehicle hitting a super heavy vehicle makes no sense muchoever. Yeah,

(01:50:31):
and let's not forget the presence of the black dog
that was in the real and it was seen at
the scene, you know, but yeah, yeah, obvious it was
the dog. It was too And let's not forget the
stupid general unlikely unlikelihood that that onson could possibly have
known that they were going to be coming down through
that underpass, that tunnel at that particular time. I think

(01:50:52):
it's bunk. Yeah, it's all bunk. But there's more more
coursers and more suspicious stuff. You died in May two
thousand in a car fire. The police ruled that it
was a suicide based on evidence and on statements that
he had made to various people about how he'd killed
himself under certain certain circumstances. Land ghastly had been poured
into the interior of the car and lit. The fire

(01:51:12):
was so intense that his head separated from the rest
of his body. Yeah, I know. There was a hole
in a hole in his skull that appeared to be
from a bullet. Uh. And most mysteriously of all, the
car was locked, but the keys were nowhere to be found. Dune.
Oh wait, is that the Wikipedia bunk that that, yes,
that's one of them had actually cited this mysterious death

(01:51:34):
as a reason I believe there was a conspiracy to
kill a diean Dody that he was either murdered to
shut him up, or he killed himself because he was
just guilty. As far as the keys not being anywhere
at evidence, well, I couldn't find any evidence that's true.
It is not in the inquest report, and even Muhammad
Alphaia didn't say that. So that tells you something, right there.

(01:51:55):
Somebody tack this one on your mystery. Even didn't say
also keys are metal and drove the car there. Well, no,
if I had brought this up, because he drove the
car to the location and then the keys weren't there,
So he's using that as evidence to say, obviously he

(01:52:17):
didn't drive himself there and somebody who staged this forgot
to leave the keys in the car. I was just
gonna say keys are metal, and like metal melt and
fire or whatever or I'm sorry, you know, I know
we're gonna go into this. But if somebody standing outside
the car and they're having a bad day and they're
thinking about ending everything, and we've all seen people do this,

(01:52:41):
they get mad and they throw something which happens to
be the damn car keys and they land in all bush, Yeah,
then no wonder they're not located. Yeah, let's talk about
the Actually, it also could be that he was just
there and he lost his car keys. He got back
to the car, which is unlocked personally, but he couldn't

(01:53:01):
start the car, so he decided to kill him. So
I actually do not believe that's the case, based on
everything we've got. Yeah, yeah, the whole well that was
there was a de sercized hole in his skull, but
it wasn't bullet shaped or around or anything like that.
And actually the medical examiner didn't find any slug, no

(01:53:23):
bullet in his in his skull or anywhere in his body,
and none was found in the car itself either. And
also there was natural processes by which this could happen.
Due to the intense heat, you get pressure build up
inside the skull and they can Actually I'm guessing the
hole was in the temple, yeah region. Yeah. Uh. In

(01:53:46):
the suicide by emilation I think is a bit unusual. Yeah,
especially in a car. Yeah, I mean, yeah, you know,
if I were going to kill myself, I would probably
duct tape a grenade in my head and pull the
pin and then go through dope. Nope, no, we're not
gonna go there. Okay, but still it's not unheard of.

(01:54:06):
I mean, people do kill themselves in all kinds of
interesting ways. They do. Yeah, they in the medical examiner
found those signs of violence. There were no tire tracks
in the area besides on the since BMW's tire tracks.
His credit card was used that afternoon in the gas
station nearby to buy six hundred and eight franc's worth
of fuel, which police concluded that was more than was

(01:54:27):
necessary to fill the tank of the car. So it
looks like he feeled filled up maybe a fuel tank
or a couple of fuel can or a couple of
gas cans. A witnesses who had seen him in the
area said they saw him in the car. They didn't
see anybody but him in the car. When he left
him that day, he left behind things that normally he
would have taken, like his cell phone, as watch, his wallet,

(01:54:48):
is that tchet case? And that same day he posted
a letter to his employer, Cyper Press, asking that all
of the photographic royalties be put in his wife's name. So,
like a suicide sounds kind of suicidal to me, And
I'm not going to go in a great detail, but
fellow photographers and friends and told stories about how he

(01:55:08):
had said, good, you know, if something happened to my family,
I would kill myself by pouring gas all over myself.
Another one said, you know, I blow myself up in
my car. So there were a lot of people testified
that he talked suicide. He talked a lot. This was
his choice. Yeah, And this is another thing that Wikipedia
kind of gets wrong. He says that his wife and
kids don't believe his death was suicide to this day.

(01:55:31):
And then no, that's not true. I mean I read
I read in the inquest they at least his wife
excepts that he killed himself. She seems to believe it.
And lastly, the last mysterious thing that happened is he
just you know, the special services was involved, of course,
as I said, he was affiliated with Cyperpress agency. In Paris.
Six weeks after the death, there was an armed robbery.

(01:55:53):
There were three men in masks who went to the
offices and stole all the electronic equipment that Onensen kept there. Again,
as I said, the French police declined to investigate. Yeah, suspicious,
it's a bit suspicious that that accusation is a little suspicious. Absolutely, yeah,
no it's not. It's it's totally true. If I didn't investigate,

(01:56:14):
you mean as did investigate and arrested three people. So yeah,
they investigated. These guys committed serial robberies like this. Also
honestly didn't keep anything in sight except for some archive photographs.
He didn't leave his laptop or anything else there and
so none of that was stolen, all right, Yeah, they
stole a bunch of other other laptops, but not nothing

(01:56:36):
that belonged to on his and and the owner of
the company told CBS News some years later that he
thought the real purpose of the robbery is to find
compromising photos of a French celebrity who didn't de decline
the name. I assume it's Johnny Depp. Yeah. Yeah, he
thinks that that was the main focus and that the

(01:56:57):
rest was just a crime of opportunity. Okay, you go. Well,
so anyway, that's pretty much it for the Royal family.
To sum it up, the whole Royal family had a
murdered theory and all many many aspects. But silly, isn't
It doesn't quite hold up. Yeah, I don't know. Well,
that's enough of the I think the Royal family. I think,

(01:57:19):
you know, we've exonerated the Royal family, or at least
in special service and m I six and all that stuff.
The next theory that we're going to go into, which
is probably the most popular theory, is that Enri Paul
was drunk. But when I wrote this out, I put
a question mark at the end of that statement because

(01:57:42):
I'm not a hundred percent sure. Yeah, we're both kind
of we kind of tag team this one. We really did,
and we'll continue to tag team it. But I think
we're both on the same page of question mark yes,
because according to all the official documents, he was super
drunk and prescription drust, right, yeah, and that's why he

(01:58:09):
crashed the car. So it's he's completely at fall. Well,
when you like, when you google the death of Princess Diana,
the first thing comes up is manslaughter by negligent driving
on repall that the official verdict is that he murdered them,
And well, we're going to go into all this. You know,

(01:58:30):
he was sort of he was off duty, as we
said earlier. You know, it's like I don't really blame
the guy even if you had been drinking, you know,
because well but I also I questioned a lot of
it because of the timeline. But let's let's go into
some of the official official doctrine here. According to the
French investigation, the blood samples that were taken from his
body showed a B a C A blood alcohol content

(01:58:55):
of point one seven legal limit in America's like point four,
isn't it I it's I think, oh eight is kind
of typical. So that's more than twice three times the limit.

(01:59:17):
So I think point six or point oh six is
the limit there. So yeah, that's three times the drunk.
You have either of you known anybody who was pulled
over and got the your over the limit? Joe, Yeah,
I have. I've seen friends who left and then got
pulled over and they were pits drunk, completely stagger fall

(01:59:44):
down drunk, and they were at the limits. So this
is saying that he was I use upper case letters
for this super drong puper abs literally obscenely drunk. I
have problems with that. Yeah, me too, But let's keep going.

(02:00:05):
We'll we'll leave that be for the moment. We'll get
into it a minute. The other thing that they find
when they do his blood screen or blood talks is
they also find it is an extremely, an unusually high
amount of carbon monoxide in his blood, which is weird
and really kind of hard to pin down. Initially attributed

(02:00:29):
it to a number of factors. One they said he
was in an underground tunnel, which is the dumbest thing
I ever heard, because he died on impact. But a
lot of other people say, you know, he lived in
a densely populated area, it was pollution, right, But that's
also dumb, because then everybody else who lives in Paris
should have the same carbon monoxide level in their blood,

(02:00:50):
and then it shouldn't be above average. This should be
a little higher though, because he smokes cigars. He did,
and we'll talk about that, but you know that that
wouldn't put him added unusually high for the average median
if he lives in an urban setting Paris or and

(02:01:10):
so everybody there should have approximately the same level. So
that's the baseline. He should be a little above, not
extremely high. Blood work on anybody else in the car, No,
I'm not that I ever saw. I mean, he was
the driver, so he was obviously it'd be interesting to

(02:01:31):
see what the carabon monoxide levels were for everybody else
in the car, would wouldn't it. But that's the problem
right with Diana being involved. You lose all that blood
sample and then Doughty I don't know if they what
they ever did with him, and then it would seem
that they should have tested um Trevor, Yeah, but I don't.

(02:01:52):
I don't think they ever did. Well. These things are
never brought forward, of course, but but again these are
the things that are to be focused to pond this
is the thing that gets jumped on and everybody says,
but he had, but well the other people were looked at,
but those don't get reported, and of course then you
know the operation peget doesn't doesn't say anything about it

(02:02:14):
because it was just so inconsequential. I mean, it's it's
hard to say. But let's for a minute talk about
he'd worked for the Fayett family for over ten years,
so he had been doing private security for them. He
eventually did such a good job that he got promoted
to deputy head of security. He also, on the side,

(02:02:40):
was a private pilot, so he liked to fly planes.
That was one of the things. He kind of had
this thing of I like to fly do my job,
but flying is kind of what I love. And he
did his job well. Apparently it got tipped handsomely by
the super richist state. Yeah, there was size. I ever
saw anything to said that he was sloppy. No, no,

(02:03:03):
it was he wouldn't have been promoted like exactly had
he actually kind of a sweet job, because these these
rich people would like tip him really handsomely to just
kind of hang out and make sure that paparazzi didn't Yeah,
stuff like that. So they're they're, they're, they're they're tipping
him like, you know, five hundred pounds, thousand pounds. Yeah,

(02:03:23):
very very set when he died. They've got a lot
of money in his bank account. Yeah. Like we said,
he liked to fly. He had three days prior to
the accident he had to go take and subsequently he
passed his private Pilots physical. At the time, it wasn't

(02:03:47):
the standard practice like it is now to take blood
work and to do a but I would call a
rigorous physical examination of somebody. But he still passed the test.
Most to it was just question and answer, but he
still passed it. And there was no there was no
question from the doctor of well maybe this isn't right,

(02:04:10):
so that seems okay. Yeah, And the inquest that we
talked about, they did an autopsy on Henri's body and
they explicitly said that Paul's liver was found to be
normal and that you know, he had been taking these
pills we're going to talk about in a minute, all
of the different things that he had been taking. But
his doctor had said that he didn't or she sorry,

(02:04:33):
she didn't think that he had a drinking problem, but
that he had the personality that he could develop one
if he became depressed or anything like that. He was
a bit depressed, it seems. He was a forty something
year old man, he was, and he had to get
a bit of a drinking. Yeah, and he had he
had just gone through a big breakup from a long

(02:04:54):
term relationship and you know sort of things that might
attribute to that. So she had prescribed some things, but
she said he didn't drink regularly, and when he did,
it was never beyond the bounds of a normal kind
of person relaxing, so like one or two. Well, but
he also he was worried about it. Well, that's the thing.

(02:05:16):
I mean. You know when you talk to your doctor
and your doctor says how much do you drink? You know,
it's kind of like when a cop asks you don't
tell him the truth. That's true. But the irony is
what I signed up for my health insurance this year.
I had this very same thing. Do I tell him
the truth or do I not? Like, how much do
you reveal? Because you don't want to be pigeonholed? Okay,

(02:05:38):
well I have this many beers once a week. Well,
that means I get pigeonholed, or yeah, that means I've
got a booze problem, or or the fact that I
do drink anything at all could mean that according to
this duct. I mean, it's it's a really weird conundrum
that it can put a guy in, absolutely any person in.

(02:05:58):
But I think the impression that I had is that
he was He did have that concern of I could
become an alcoholic, and he knew for his job and
for his hobbies, right being a pilot, you can't be
an alcoholic. For a job as a deputyst security for
a bunch of rich people, you can't be an alcoholic.
So he did. He asked the doctor to prescribe him

(02:06:18):
anti alcoholic medication. This is strange, I mean to me,
if you know, I can't imagine asking something like that
to be to prescribe for me unless I already have
a serious drinking problem. Well unless like it was in
your family. Well no, actually I can. I can understand this.
So let's say I don't want to go on to
a long tangent here, but let's just say that he well,

(02:06:42):
we know that he had broken up from a relationship,
and so you find yourself for two weeks in a row,
every night going out and getting trash and saying, wait
a minute, this is not good. And I don't see
any reason not to do this. But rationally I know
that's a bad idea. I need to go see my
doctor and get something done about that. And he did.

(02:07:03):
He went to his doctor, and his doctor gave him
prozac to help with his his moods. Yeah, it was.
And at the same time she gave him the anti
alcohol medication, by the way, doesn't bar him from drinking alcohol.
It just makes it taste a little bit. It's yeah,
it's um god. I can't think of what the common

(02:07:26):
version of it would be in the US, but basically
it makes it so he doesn't like, he doesn't enjoy drinking.
It's not gonna make him physically ill, but it's not
going to make it that fun. Well, it turns out
in his room and the Rits they found the empty
packets of that medication. Yeah, but didn't it take like

(02:07:47):
a couple of weeks to kick in. It wasn't like
a you take it and suddenly booze tape. That's absolutely correct,
But it indicates to me that they hadn't been in
that hotel room very long, and he had a how
long have they been at the hotel? The days Diane
Dody know that night that night? Okay, So but what's

(02:08:09):
that got to do with him in his room though? Well,
but if in his room there are the empty packets
from the pills, that means he hadn't been taking them.
And I don't think that means he started taking it
that night. He had been taking it prior those pills.
From what I can tell in the research, they take

(02:08:30):
ballpark five days to kick in, and ballpark after the fact,
after you stopped taking them there in your system for
about one to two days. All right, We were all
good with that, Okay. So I say this stuff has
to be in some way, shape or form in his
system and that and of course that I understand that

(02:08:53):
means that means dependent on the dosage and how long
have the dosage has been there, But he's got to
be taking it. The British in quest also operations before
Well we're talking about things that were in his system, right, Yeah,
he had a drug called albin dazzle. Yeah, yeah, albendazole.

(02:09:21):
That sounds more right. I like that way. Uh, it
was unaccounted for his doctor hadn't prescribed it to him.
It was found in a hair sample of his. So
they tested his hair right as well for his drugs,
because you do that sometimes, right, Some stuff doesn't show
up in your blood necessarily. And it's a drug commonly
given to homeless people in the United Kingdom, and it

(02:09:45):
treats worm infestations like ring warring ring worm and things
like that. You're laughing, but this is true, and it
was found in his hair. It's a worm medicine, which
is just so weird to me. Yeah, that's why I'm
laughing at it, because that's just so odd. It's also
odd that his doctor and prescribe it. Yeah, if you
grind this stuff up and snort it, does it get
you high? I don't know. I didn't do that. That's unlikely.

(02:10:08):
Does it get the worms high? Probably? The side effects
are there are some potentially serious side effects on this
that include bone marrow suppression. That's not really that important.
What is important is that liver inflammation has been reported,
particularly those with liver problems, which we're going to talk about.

(02:10:29):
His liver we'll talk about We've talked about a little bit. Yeah,
and then other more common side effects including a nausea,
abdominal pain, and headaches. Not really the sort of thing
that would really affect your blood alcohol level, but it
might affect your ability to drive a car if you're
having severe headaches or abdominal crams or anything like that.

(02:10:49):
But also super weird that they found that in his hair.
Why is he taking the worming medication that his doctor
didn't prescribe? You know that. The other thing I think
is that it seems that he had a fairly open
conversation dialogue with his doctor. He was able to say, hey,
I want this anti alcoholism medication, right, So on top

(02:11:12):
of that for him to like not mention, oh, also
what have ring worm? That's that's a little weird. It
sends up a little red flag. We're going to talk
about why it sends up a little bit more of
a red flag because there are some conspiracy theories about
the blood and hair and body of Henry Paul or
on Repaul that was found in the car. This is

(02:11:32):
one thing that kind of feeds into that. I think
said ring worm deal, but why didn't the doctor prescribe?
It's not like an over the counter medication, it's a
prescription pill. So it wasn't prescribed to him by the doctor,
So why didn't he go see his doctor for this?
He wants somewhere else anonymously and paid cash because he
didn't wanted his medical records. That's all it is, which
is silly because yeah, of course, yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyways, yeah,

(02:12:00):
that was worth mentioning. Yeah, absolutely. Okay, Well let's let's
go back to the night of the accident with him
drinking and stuff. Yeah, okay, that stone that he was drinking.
It's it's a fact. He was off of work and
he was drinking. There are eyewitness accounts and receipts eyewitnesses

(02:12:22):
as in patrons in the bar and the bartender, and
the receipt from the bartender putting him in the hotel bar,
so we know he was in the hotel. The eyewitnesses
were who the bartender and a couple of patrons and
a couple of patrons. But they say that according to
all of this, he had two recards. And I hope

(02:12:45):
I'm pronouncing that ards it Maybe I don't know why
I keep thinking that, but okay, whichever, it doesn't matter. Something,
well I looked it up. It's it's it's an honest
base alcohol. It's not super popular at the time, and

(02:13:06):
it's kind of become more popular now. But he had
two drinks of that, and I looked this booze up.
You can buy it in what it's a seventies sentiliter bottle,
which I think equates to like a twenty four ounce
bottle over the counter. So I can't see him in
the bar getting a twenty four bottle. So I've got

(02:13:29):
a guess that what he got was a glass. So
it had to be a mixed drink, which it can't
be a big mixed drink because it's it's a full
bottle of booze that I was looking at a nine. Also, yeah,
they're charging him for just you know, the shot of
that the mixers free, or maybe he's just drinking it
over ice or straight up. It to me is the

(02:13:51):
equivalent of going to the bar and getting a shot
of whiskey on the rocks. Now, two of those is
not good, depending on the state of your stomach. Don't
forget about But also don't forget this. I don't know
if you've ever like had a bar that you go
to on a regular basis or not, but often it

(02:14:12):
turns out in cases like that, especially like I'm thinking
that this bar maybe you get what's called the brow deal,
which is that you don't get charged for all the
drinks that you take, and that can be possible. And also,
by the way, let's not forget the bartender has a
strong reason to not tell the truth later on because

(02:14:32):
he doesn't want to be culpable for you driving drunk. Right,
But we're not going to go there yet, Okay, So
I just want to stick to this to drinking out.
His b A c indicated that he had had like
ten or twelve of these freaking things. But um, I
also want to talk about briefly the carbon monoxide. Yeah,

(02:14:56):
in his blood, he was he was moving cigars. Well,
he he was known to smoke cigars in evidently that
night he had been smoking. He smoke two cigars, which
for anybody who's ever smoked a cigar, that's a lot
of smoking. They were full of cigars anything. Yeah, they're

(02:15:18):
like you know, the big, old like giant things. I mean,
I've tried to smoke a cigar and I think I
made it like ten minutes and made half progress on
that stupid thing. Oh no, okay, well, yeah, that's I
think that made me sick. That's why I stopped. But
that's a lot to inhale. And this guy is inhaling

(02:15:41):
several to two plus cigars that that, to me explains
the carbon monoxide. I also then, okay, I'm I'm operating
on the Let's say what we have is evidence from
the bar is true. How the hell can his B
A C be that high? Can't? Can it can if

(02:16:04):
he's got no food in him? But I started rooting
around in a couple of things, and I actually found
some medical studies which believe it or not, exonerating him
a little bit or prove that maybe the numbers aren't right. Um,
there is from a physiological standpoint, there is an interaction
in the body between alcohol and nicotine. And I'd heard

(02:16:28):
this from a doctor years ago that nicotine blocks your
uptake of alcohol. Turns out there's a couple of scientists
who did a study and they took three control control
groups of rats. What they did is they injected the
same amount of alcohol into all of them, and then
group A got a low dose, Group BE got a

(02:16:49):
high dose or medium does and groups C got the
high dose of nicotine. And go figure the group they
got the high dose of nicotine had a lower blood
alcohol content peak number because the nicotine was blocking some
of the receptors in the body that pulling the booze.

(02:17:13):
So if this guy is huffing cigars all night long,
it stands to reason based on this study. And I
understand this is a study, it's not concrete proof, but
I've seen supporting studies of this and just anecdotal evidence.
But if this guy is sucking on a cigar all

(02:17:34):
night long, and he's had two drinks or two shots,
he shouldn't be nearly as drunk as the guy next
to him who's had the equal exact same amount of
food and day and number of shots, because the nicotine
stops the upticks. But highly weird, but it turns out true.

(02:17:56):
But let's let's finish with my last thing that really
really makes me question if he was total guano house drunk. Okay,
if you watch the footage of him in the hotel
lobby and you watch him outside, he's standing around, he's fine,

(02:18:20):
he sees Diane Dody, he walks him outside, he holds
the door, he waves to somebody suspicious, suspiciously, and then
he walks to the car and he opens the doors
and gets in. Nowhere in that crappy footage does he
suddenly go and tip over drunk. Yeah, he doesn't stumble

(02:18:44):
at all. Nothing about his behavior indicates that he is
completely in the bag but can put away a lot
of this is and still maintaining. But those people tend
to have signs in physiologically, like in their liver that
we talked about that would show that, yeah, you can

(02:19:08):
maintain the face, but your body is paying the price.
And he doesn't seem to have had that. Well, you know,
I mean, it takes a while to really start damaging
your liver, so but it also takes a while to
learn to operate that way. I mean, I'm sorry, how
many of you have known drunks. And for a while

(02:19:30):
the drunks you don't know they're drunks because they're really
good at operating like they're sober. And then suddenly there
comes to the point where they take a beer and
they go because they're just so hosebagged immediately that they're done,
and it's a it's not a gradual progression, but physiologically

(02:19:51):
the signs are super obvious. So none of that showed up. Yeah,
you know, it's it's a little mysterious to me. I
agree that. I think that it's easily explainable that he
could have had the higher blood alcohol content and maybe
he drank outside the bar he went back to his room. Yes,
And I'm not going to disagree with that at all.

(02:20:11):
You still would expect there to be slurring, which apparently
nobody noticed, and staggering, a little bit of staggering at
that blood alcoholic content. And and for our friends who
were going to jump on the conspiracy bandwagon, because I've
seen this and say, well, he's that the blood was
switched out or accidentally confused with somebody else's blood. In

(02:20:36):
the lab, that blood was sampled multiple times, and every
time he came back with the same results. And to
accommodate this screaming and hand waving of it's not his blood,
they did a DNA test on it. And it's a wait,
I gotta look at I gotta look at this number
because there's so many digits. It's a nine nine nine

(02:21:01):
nine nine seven match to his mother, which so it's
just his mom's blood. I say it's his blood. Although
if I want to get in bed with the well
it's the conspiracy. Something's going on. Okay, he went out,

(02:21:21):
he had way too much to drink, he passed out,
and somebody took a vial of his blood. I don't
say that's what happened. But if we're going to fall
into that camp, that's the next logical step after you
find out it's a genetic match. That's a pretty sust
just amazing a case of planning there too. Well, that's

(02:21:42):
why in the tunnel. Yeah, that falls back into the
m I six involvement, which we've already kind of blasted apart. Yeah, yeah,
I don't know. I think that I do think though,
that there's there is the one can I say there's
a compromise but asie, which is that he might not
have been falling down drunk, but in the situation that

(02:22:05):
they were in, they were in a dangerous tunnel that
had these nasty columns in the middle that you could
pile into. He lost control, which he can even do sober,
and his reflexes were a little dulled by alcohol, and boom,
next thing, you know, big time wrap. I mean, obviously
was not sober. I'm not saying he was so, but
I'm also I'm amazed that he was three times over

(02:22:28):
the limit. Yeah, because Joe, we've known the same people
who have walked out of the bar and fallen on
their face drunk, and it's like, whoo, holy hell, how
did you drink that much that fast. It's you know,
from a physiological standpoint that to me, I mean the
people I'm thinking of, that is a long term problem.

(02:22:53):
He goes ready for the next final. Oh, let's talking
very fund absolutely, let's have it. And this one is
pretty home grown. And I think I might be the
only one in this room who likes this theory at all.
We'll go down in at least. Yeah, this theory I
started to think about. You know, we've been researching this

(02:23:14):
episode for a number of weeks now, but last week
we last week we talked about sneek haff Phillips and uh,
Steve brought forward the theory that maybe her husband did it,
and that got me thinking, what about Mohammed Alfad Because
he's the only one making all of the claims hundred

(02:23:36):
and seventies some odd claims, right, So either you have
somebody who's proud of the fact that his oldest son
was dating Princess Diana, or you have somebody who was
trying desperately to shine the light literally anywhere but himself.
So he was ashamed essentially, maybe not a shamed, maybe

(02:23:59):
trying to over something up. Okay, okay, okay, And so
it's possible, right Muhammad Alpha adds history is a bit weird.
We mentioned that he's close with an arms tailer in Dubai. Uh.
He's a very ambitious businessman. He was the biggest person

(02:24:20):
who was involved with the cash for questions scandal, which
you're going to have to google if you're like really
really interested. But the cliff notes quick version is that
alphay Ad bribed through a third party, lots of members
of Parliament to ask parliamentary questions, which are apparently like
a huge deal. Uh. And it was like a pretty

(02:24:40):
huge scandal that broke in Britain. One of all fa
Ads claims for one of you know, one of the
hundred and seventy someone claims, was that he didn't think
that anybody wanted to see Diana dead, but instead that
she died after a plan to frighten her had gone wrong,
a plan to scare her into breaking up with Doughty.

(02:25:01):
So they put on like white bed sheets and pretended
to be No. I think that the fear was, you know,
get like, let's have her be in a car accident
and she would think, oh my gosh, something's gone wrong.
I don't know. I don't understand necessarily. First thing, when
I get a near miss, I think I gotta break
up with her. Yeah, is that the reason? But I

(02:25:23):
guess we'll put a little bit of perspective on this.
We've kind of skirted around the issue. But Diana was
a member of the Church of England and Doughty was
and um he was part of the Islamic religion. Diana
was kind of a strong independent woman, though she was
maybe not the smartest of the women. And she did
have two sons, and one of which was going to

(02:25:44):
eventually be the heir to the throne. He was in
one more than the other. Yes they are. Doughty was
off I Had's firstborn son, so he would have been
kind of the heir to his fortune. Even if Diana
wasn't pregnant, the idea of her raising Doughty's potential children

(02:26:04):
could have been upsetting to all fad for whatever reason.
The flip side of do you want to get into
the flip side of that. Okay, so this is this
is one of the documentaries that I watched it. I'm
pretty sure was funded by al Fai. I looked through
all the credits and very conveniently, I didn't find his day.
But it really seems like all of the internal interviews. Okay,

(02:26:30):
short version is the opposite is true. Diana has two
sons that are part of the Church of England and
in line for the throne of Britain. So what a
terrible thing if suddenly they have a half sibling who
is Islama and could potentially have an influence on them. Yeah,

(02:26:52):
and I don't think, you know, to be fair, none
of us are saying that. No, I think they're just
I think that both of those are ludicrous. I agree. Yeah.
So here's a fun, fun fact about Doughty Head that
I know I mentioned to you guys before recording, and
both of the shock on both of your faces was awesome.

(02:27:12):
Doughty he was actually engaged already when he was dating Diana.
He did we We didn't mention that, did we. We didn't. Yeah,
he was to an American model named Kelly Fisher. He
had in fact purchased a house for them in Malibu
and proposed like a couple months before he started dating Diana.

(02:27:33):
He denied that he was dating Diana to Fisher over
the phone. She actually has recordings of this because she
felt really jilted and she was going to sue him,
so she called him to confront him about it and
recorded the phone conversation, and on it, he vehemently was like, no,
we're not dating, We're just friends. Were not dating at all,

(02:27:53):
which is what you would say to your girlfriend, right
if you if she found out about your other girlfriend.
That also explains the re the ring that he everything
says dot he went to the ring that the jewelry
store and he was getting this ring for Diana to
propose there and set up their engagement. I think it

(02:28:13):
wasn't for Diana. I don't think it was for Diana.
I think it was for her. Yeah, for Fissure. Yeah,
because it was a diamond encrusted, freaking huge, obscene ring.
Makes so much sense that, oh, well, we're engaged in honey,
just got back from this trip for France and lookye

(02:28:35):
here here's another thing. Look about me guarding your favor. Yeah, anyway,
that's a bit of a side tangent. But I guess
the point is is that al Fayad certainly had the
means to orchestrate this. He knew where they were going.
He employed the man who crashed the car. He could
have easily dosed on Re with something causing him to

(02:28:58):
be more inebriated than he was. Now that necessary he
wants to get killed, well in that in that instance, right,
he wants to scare them. Well, it's not intentionally killing them,
but let's scare the holy living bleep out of them.
He could Diana leave, yeah, and he could have just

(02:29:18):
said to Ri, like, hey, could you scare them a
whole lot on your way over there, and we'll see
if Diana kind of bolts, you know, and things got
out of control. Maybe he didn't know that Onri was
inebriated in any way, and on retook it like to
the extreme. You know, there's there was ample time and
ability for al Fayed to have planned something. He was

(02:29:41):
one of the only people who really knew where Diana
and Dodi were headed, right, he could have organized for
a white fat you know, to be in the place.
In the way. That's pretty dramatic. Dramatic, it's absolutely dramatic,
But I think that at the very least, we owe
it to mention that. I don't think. I don't. I

(02:30:02):
don't genuinely think that there's good motive. I don't genuinely
think that al Fayed would have had his oldest son,
who he probably just adored, killed. But I think that
while we're mentioning all these other crazy ludicrous things, we
may as well mention this one as well. What the hell? Yeah,
I think that, yeah, my advent to look at this.

(02:30:23):
I mean, maybe he felt like his his his Diana
was a tart and and that Doughty was bringing this
honor upon the family. It's all, you know, there's so
many killing you can you can't find a lot of reasons,
and I don't. I don't. I don't personally find any
merit in any of them. But no, not really. There
you go. So that's I think our last theory. I'm
kind of doubting that he did it. Yeah, I don't think,

(02:30:45):
Thank God. I also like, I don't think that any
of those are awesome theories. I had one more theory.
There was a shadowy coalition of regular guys who are
really really sick of hearing about Diana. No not, That's
definitely not the biggest mystery for me. And this whole

(02:31:05):
thing is is seriously, the whole Diana of session always
left me cold and always made me wondering what the hell.
I think a lot of people are so fascinating about it.
It's a cultural thing, though, Joe, We're we're in the US,
We're in the Western States. We don't get that. But

(02:31:26):
it is a total cultural thing, like all of Britain
got into it and then it spread from there. We're
not putting down I'm not saying that the Brits are
not or anything like. No, No, I know in America Diana.
People in America went berserk for Diana. I mean we

(02:31:48):
heard about nothing else. It wasn't just the Brits that
went crazy for I think that part of what happened
is people ignored the fact that she was a lady
right from a well off family. Her story was kind
of build as a rags to riches. Yes, inderelevant, and
I think people really bought into that. Yeah, it wasn't true,

(02:32:09):
but even so that the thing about it was is
that is that it's one thing to package something like
that into a ninety minute to our movie. It's another
thing to package it into, you know, twenty years of
tabloid crap, I mean, which is what people did. And
I never understood it that that why people were even
remotely interested in Diana family. So if you know it

(02:32:32):
was a mystery, I mean yeah, yeah, if you know,
I sent us a letter. Yeah, I think I don't
like any of these theories I've left wanting. I think
that No, it's just I think, you know, car crash,
you know, I mean it happened, yeah, and it's unfortunate
and we won't know whoever. And by the way, Paris
put some freaking guard rails in that Sally the f

(02:32:58):
is going on roadway system in that one tunnel. If
you can't tell, we're tired now, we're getting cranky and rauchy.
So we're going to go and wrap this thing. Yeah, yeah,
because I did like all the things that we're trying
to come up with, not to swear. So some of

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