Thinking Sideways: The Nazi Bell

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Alright today, so today we're going to solve it on
the mystery. And this is one of you guys may

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or may not have heard about. It's called the Nazi Bell.
That's right, the Nazi Bell. I had never heard of this,
and I consider myself to be a strong mystery buff
on solved mysteries. I know, I would say that the
things that we do, I've heard of before we do them.
I hadn't heard about this until about a month ago

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when I came across an article somehow I think it
was advertised on something and what is that? And I
hadn't heard about it until you sent me a link
to that article. Yeah, yeah, this is right up your alley. Yeah.
So anyway, you know, I jumped on a plane and
went to Germany, dug through the Nazi archives and well,
here's what I found. Well, not really. Yeah, as soon

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as we get a budget, then we're gonna be doing
stuff like that. Uh, we're gonna actually be covering a
lot of unsolved mysteries in places like Hawaii, um, you know,
a lot of Paris. Very nice. Yeah. So anyway back
to the Nazi Bell. The Nazi Bell was pretty much
unknown as far as the world is concerned until the
year two thousand. Polish writer named Igor Vitkowski published a

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book called The Truth about the Wounderwaffa. Of course, of
course that was not It was a Owlish books, so
obviously it wasn't in English, but yeah, the Truth about
the Wonder Weapon. He describes this this thing as being
about about nine ft wide, about twelve to fifteen feet high,
and shaped like a bell. Other descriptions you guys can
see here. Oh yeah, by the way, he had a

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Nazi swastick on the side the bell did, of course. Yeah, yeah, naturally. Uh.
Alternative descriptions have described it as a saucer shaped object.
But for the most part, saucer looks just like the
NASA saucer we were talking about earlier, the thing that
they're sending to marks. I like that yeah, I like
a little chimney in the top, tough in the wheel,

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like the car sticking out from you. Yeah, well I
think that actually has a car park behind. But yeah,
that thing looks a little crude. I'm not sure this
was actually the wounder of Offa or not. But anyway,
there's also you can find pictures of the bell. Of course,
those are pictures that have either been you know, paintings
by artists or recreation or recreations that people have taken
pictures of. So nobody has a picture of the actual

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Nazi bell. So are we saying we don't actually know
that it existed, even that's that's the possibility. That's no. No,
you can't say that it definitely existed, but we can't
say it definitely didn't either. Well I guess not. Okay,
Well we'll solve that mystery before the show is over.
So I know why yougo. Vitkowski published his wounderboff A book,

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and the way he found out about is he claims
to have had a contact in Polish intelligence and this
Polish intelligence officer allowed him to look at a file
which had a transcript of an interview by Polish agents
of a Nazi s S officer whose name was I'm
just gonna pronounce it in regular English Jacob Sparenberg. And
it might be Yakuber, who knows, but I'm just gonna

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say Jacob Sparenberg. Uh. Supposedly in this transcript he described
the bell and apparently some of its wondrous capabilities. And Vikkowski,
the author never said who in Polish intelligence actually shared
this with him. There's no documentation, Yeah, I know source
and the the you know, the supposed transcripted the interrogation.

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Nobody's ever seen it. And what did they call it?
The bell? The bell? Yeah, and German it's called it's
called gluca, which is German for the bell. Okay, yeah, yeah,
it's just called the bell. And when Igor was looked
at these files, if when I was doing the reading,

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when I found a little off putting was the fact that, yeah,
he couldn't say who gave it to him, that makes sense,
and they wouldn't give him a copy of it, which
if it's from intelligence I can understand. So he hand
wrote a transcript of it. So all we have is
his handwritten copy of it, which seems like a guy
could have just sat around and made up right off

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the start, I'm a little I'm a little worried about this. Yeah,
that's uh, that's that's a good point. I mean he
could have, but like, is it is it suspicious because
he was allowed to like take a transcript of it?
Is that what suspicious to you know? Just I think
what he's saying is that I'll go ahead. Sorry, Uh,
there's just I mean, there's no other way for him
to have gotten that information out of there except for

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to handwrite it. It's to make some notes. Yeah, yeah,
it's I guess what what's hinky to me is that
it's not an official transcript, so therefore we don't know
if it really happened. So the first piece of the
puzzle I'm already questioning, I guess is where I'm getting at,
Because if you know, let's say, the Freedom of Information
Act in this country, I could request that document and

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have that document heavily redacted, whether it's redacted or not,
I'd have that document as my base, whereas this guy
doesn't have anything. So that's that's yeah, and its it's
it's believable that if he was allowed to see as
some sort of secret file like that, that he would
only be able to make notes and not make copies
or anything. I take photos. But at the same time, now, yeah,

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you're right, it's there's no documentation. Almost more worrying to
me that he was allowed to take notes, right, because
if they're like, yeah, this is a class by thing,
you can look at it, but you can't take any
written anything out of here. You know, you can't make
a copy of it, that makes more sense to me
than I'm saying, Yeah, take all the notes you want. Yeah,
you can trade in your own hand. Yeah, that's totally fine. Whatever,

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But uh, you know, and I guess this Polish intelligence
officer never showed this transcript to anybody else or no
one else who couldn't keep their mouth shuts, and maybe
you got some of them got whacked. So the people
who say that the saucer it's a saucer shaped object
rather than a bell shaped objects said it is powered
by a pair of rotating drums containing a mysterious irridescent

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purple liquid. So okay, that's uh. But typically it's described
as a device that's made out of heavy heart metal
about nine ft wide twelve fift tall, bell shaped Nazi
swastick like I said, before the story was picked up
by a guy named Nick Cook. And we'll talk about
in a few more more. Well, i'll talk I'll talk
about it now. What the hell? Nick Cook used to

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be the aviation editor for Jane's Defense Weekly, and you
got you guys have heard of James correct, of course? Yeah, yeah,
they like to go to source for everything about war
planes and warships and all that. Stuffy sitting here, suspiciously quiet. Yeah,
and you've never heard of Jane's. Yeah, they I was
I was just going, yeah, yeah, they are, like you know,

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you can think of Jane's is almost like a private
intelligence service. I mean they gather a lot of information
and they're very, very credible, and so they have If
you go to Jans, you can find out everything you
need to know about the defense forces of any country.
They've got it all mapped out. They've got it intelligence
on every every plane that these people have, every submarine,
every ship, data collection for military information. And so we're

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saying that this guy is pretty credible, right, well, that
that that gives them a little bit of an our respectability. Yeah,
because this guy works Janes. Up until two thousand one,
he was aviation editor for Jane and was like fired
or I don't know exactly. Isn't like an outrage scandal
that he left, not that I know of, But I

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have not actually investigated this guy's background too carefully, and
it's like, I've got a job. Seems like that would
have come up in any kind of reading, and it
kind of took who by the way, I was fired
for making stuff up? Yeah? Actually, yeah, and I did.
I read a review of his book in Salon, and
Salon was you know, they were a little unkind to

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the book. But I think that if if he had
been like booted out of Change in Disgrace, it might
have been mentioned. I think that's probably true. Yeah, I'll
talk about that later. But anyway, So Nick Cook wrote
a book and published it just a few years after
igor Vitkowski published his book. So he was talking about
anti gravity. It's called The Hunt for Zero Point. And
this is Nick Cook, this is Nick Cook. So anyway,

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according to Nick Cook, this device contained two kind of
rotating cylinders which would be filled with it a mercury
like substance which was violent and color of some people
who claimed that this is red mercury, which I don't
I don't even quite understand what red mercury is. Yeah,
it doesn't exist. It doesn't exist. Okay, red mercury is

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it real? Red mercury is not real. But anyway, we
got back to this. According to what Nick Cook says,
the metallic liquid was code named zero five and that's
spelled x c R U M, and we're not used.
Was stored in a therminus flask that was encased in lead,
so apparently it was dangerous stuff. Additional substances using the

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experiments include thorium and brilliant peroxide. Brilliant peroxide also doesn't exist.
There is such a thing as brilliant oxide, so maybe
that was a type on his part. I'm not sure.
You know, I've seen it referred to as peroxide on
every article I came across on this, So either it's
a lot of copying pasting by everybody on the internet,

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or they're calling it peroxide on purpose. Because I've seen
it in different it's it's not always written the same,
so I know it's not cop being directly, But I
have seen it called peroxide a lot of time. Yeah,
I've seen the number of references to it too, and
in this whole Bell thing. But I think somebody originally
confused peroxide with oxide. Brilliant oxide exists from brilliant peroxide

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does not exist as far as we know. As far
as we know, yeah, might have made it. Yeah. Well,
when I was I was looking at if they were
talking about the berrillium and the thoramine. Is that thorium? Okay,
thank you? They were both. Then they kept calling it
peroxide because it was a gel like substance, and that
seemed to be where everybody was getting the peroxide part

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is it was blah blah peroxide which is a gel
like substance. I don't know how that relates because the
science I couldn't quite follow it, but it seems that's
where they were going with this peroxide thing. Right or wrong,
it seems to be what they were doing. Brilliant peroxide
doesn't exist. But billium is actually actually does have some use,

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isn't certain things? And and and actually somebody has put
forth a theory for how barrillium could have been used
in the Bell to generate pure weapons. Great, uh, uranium
two thirty three and no there. But there are a
bunch of peroxides, right, Yeah, there are other peroxides like
moron and stuff like that, and hydrogen yeah, and hydrogen peroxide. Yeah,

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you're my favor. That's the only one I know science
factor the day. Did you know that hydrogen peroxide is real?
So anyway, maybe somebody was talking about hydrogen oxides somebody
else read it and then and then confused it and
got confused and hydrogen and then were auto corrected on them.
And yeah, maybe it was that handwriting from note taking

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and of course you know they and they were they
were like say, copy and pasted onto thousands of other
conspiracy websites and next thing, you know, there we go. Yeah.
So anyway, uh, well, back to the story of the bell. Supposedly,
when it was activated, it had very strong radiation and
supposedly it killed a bunch of scientists who are working
on it because apparently when they first turned it on

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for the first time, they didn't realize they were gonna
get fried. So uh. And also they had some test
animal and and uh and plant subjects that also got
toasted by this. And if I am I right, Joe,
I mean, this is terrible, but I remember some account
saying that the scientists who died at least one or

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two of them their skin literally melted off. I heard
these stories. Yeah, yeah, so for everybody who doesn't know,
because I actually started doing a little research because I
was thinking, well, it's got to be you know, let's
just look at standardrad can make a skin melt off,
like their face melt off is the Ark of the
Covenant from the documentary Raiders at the Lost Time. Anything

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above three thousand rads will burn your skins so badly
and fastly that it could look like you're skin was melting. Yeah.
There's only one problem with that is that anybody who
witnessed that event would Yeah, I guess you have to
be in a reactor, though nuclear reactor to get that

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kind of exposure. Base. It's the easiest way to do it,
I guess, you know. I guess The problem for me
isn't so much that like, Okay, it's conceivable that somebody
came in after and was like, wow, their skin has
melted off of the right that it doesn't doesn't necessarily
have to be somebody witnessed it melting off of them.
That's very true. But he turned it off. That's good.

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I mean, if it killed everybody that was close enough
to like, haven't you seen the action movie where the
hero dies and falls on the off switch and saves
the world. That's what this guy did. Actually, No, actually,
what happened is they were powering this thing via extension cord.
The person in the next room where the screaming, and
then he pulled the extension cord out of the the

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out of the outlet. Yeah, I saved the day. But okay, okay,
I'm sure that's what happen. And there's something very much
like that. Maybe you flipped a circuit breaker. Sweet. Yeah,
supposedly the bell did require vast amounts of electricity to operate,
and so nobody knows why that is. That's weird. Yeah,
so it was like, I'm sorry, the usefulness of something

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goes down drastically when you have to actually like plug
it in. Yeah, I mean, eventually, maybe, you know, maybe
it becomes self sustain sustaining. Yeah, you know, I mean
and and and maybe your initial version requires three million volts,
you know, and stuff like that in massive amounts of current.
But maybe eventually, with refining and research and experimentation, you
can get it down to the to where you can

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actually put it on a battleship or a tank or something.
Like her a plane, if this was a weapon. All
of those things are things that I want to do
with vast amounts of radiation. Yeah, well, but if you
don't know what it's going to do, you don't know
that that radiation is going to your crew. That's true. Yeah,
there was. There was a lot of stuff that that
we did back in like the forties and the fifties,
as far as experimentation with bombs and radiation. We had

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no idea that it was going to like so many people,
short and long term. You guys, I know, I'm pretty
sure both of you've seen is the movie that was
shot by I think their air Fish soldiers out in
the desert watching a nuke go off in the air,
standing there and laughing and joking and talking about it,

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and it's like a mile above them, so they're just
bombarded with reading. It's it's really not easy to watch
because they're just having a good time. Wow, that's so awesome,
and you're just looking at it going you have no
idea what is happening right now? Fred I think the

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most there was. There are a lot of different films
from all the experiments that they did back in those
days and the most horrible one that I ever saw,
and it was truly awful. It was like they were
experimenting with with protective suits for our troops protect them
from the intense heat of a nearby nuclear blast. And
it's like like I have a kind of tinfoil. So
they they made up a bunch of little suits for

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for some pigs. No, I'm not gonna tell you anymore.
It was. It was terrible. It's already yeah, it was
bad anyway. So back back to Vitkowski. According to him,

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the bell was built, or at least was how used,
in a German facility known as Theresa called which is
known as the Giant. And it's actually it's not a
single buility. It's like there's a like a valley in Silesia,
which is in Poland, southern Poland, near the Czech border,
about seventy miles east of the German border, and of
course that was German territory during World War two, and

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they built this massive complex. It wasn't just one building,
it was actually this valley had a lot of massive
complexes and tunnels and all kinds of secret stuff going
on in there. I just want to mention how uncreative
the Germans were when naming things. Everything is the something, right, Oh, yeah,
that's the giant, that's the bell, that's uh the well.

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Code names are like that, though an intelligence officer can
only go so far before he gets really bored with
just coming up with words. Oh, it's the osprey, it's
the eagle. Eventually, lamp share table, project table, Yeah, project

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table is more interesting than the giants the giant. The
giants kind of kind of got a cool edge to it.
Let's go it's it's it's kind of intimidating. You heard
that a giant was living in this valley, would you
go down there? Hell? No, it's uh. Kaska also claimed
that there was a massive concrete well not that massive,

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but and there's pictures of it on the internet if
anybody cares to go look see. It's called the Hande
And it's like it's a circular structure with vertical like
vertical concrete supports and then it's like basically a concrete,
steel reinforced I'm sure circle on the top of it.
It looks like Stonehenge but made out of concrete. Yeah,
made out of skinnier stoves to Okay, I get the

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name now. Yea, yeah, and so the yeah, he claimed
that it was it served as a test rig where
they could put the bell and experiment with anti gravity stuff.
He's claiming that there's some anti gravity work involved here.
But didn't people say that they also thought that that
was probably just a cooling tower. Yeah, yeah, exactly the
basis for a cooling tower. So yeah, and that's kind

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of what it looks like. So but that's what that's
a that's a like a nuclear cooling tower, right, it
doesn't look big enough. Nuclear cooling towers are pretty annorying.
Well they're huge. So yeah, so I started to figure
out what kind of cooling tower that would be for
I mean, I mean, I mean, that's the thing about it.
It's like, when you look at the pictures of it,
you can't really get an idea of the scale. It
looks too small to be the base of a nuclear

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cooling tower. But you know, the thing is with the
nuclear cooling tower is that they've got a structure on
top of their base, which kind of looks like the Henge.
So it could have been. Yeah, you know, it's it's
always hard to tell with surely there are pictures from
the time somewhere. Yeah. Actually, you know what I think
is um, I think it looks like the base for

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a water tank that would actually supply the water to
a cooling tower. That yeah, because I don't I don't know.
The Germans weren't that far in terms of nuclear technology
as far as we know, so they wouldn't have a
reason to use a cooling tower that for nukes. Well,
I mean there's there's other there's other things that generate heat.

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I mean, it's like an other indust la industrial applications.
So yeah, I think it could have been just an
ordinary thing. Alternately, it was definitely a house for the bell.
It could have been I mean, you know, to hold
it down away, No, no no, just to like, how's it
make a little pen for it? You know that's like, yeah,
it'd be tall enough. Right, they could test its floating capabilities,

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but not lose it out in the field somewhere banking
hand curtains around the side so people couldn't spy in
and see it was going on. It would be kind
of funny and ironic if they take it out for
the tat that the entire first gravity test they turn
it on, it just goes never see it again. I
guess we're gonna have to start over again. The better
better still would be they turn it on and it

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slowly starts to rise, and it starts to rise, and
it starts to rise, and then and then somebody says,
do we know how to turn it off? And Uh,
it's like a like a balloon, it just starts away.
Uh no, it we made it self sustaining. Yeah. Yeah.

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So anyway, so the anti gravity thing was pursued somewhat
by by Nick Cook and also by Wokowski. Wakowski claims
that the US government actually has been working on anti
gravity devices for decades now and spending lots of money
on it. Why wouldn't we? Yeah, well it's not a
bad idea as not at all. Yeah, And the hunt
for zero point. Zero point energy is the the energy

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state that a particle is in at its lowest state
of energy, on its coldest and so apparently, and I
don't understand the physics behind this or the math behind
this at all, but apparently a particle at that point,
if you can, if you can harness the energy possessed
by that particle, then it's almost infinite. In other words,
we would have a fantastic energy source. This is what

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although other other physicists have derived that derided, this is
basically the equivalent of a perpetual motion machine. You know. Yeah,
if you can find a way to get to release
that energy, then you'll have all kinds of energy. But
the energy required to release that energy will probably be more,
in fact, almost certainly will be more than the energy
to get back. It's kind of like nuclear fusion, same thing.
That's our perpetual motion machine that we've been striving after

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for decades to spend two dollars to get a dollar. Yeah.
So yeah, nuclear fusion we've we've totally achieved. I mean,
and it's not that we can't do that. We can
do that easily, but getting more energy out of the
transaction than we put in that's a tough part. And
we haven't figured that one out. When I was a kid,
by today, we were supposed to all be it was
our entire society was going to be powered by nuclear fusion.

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They were sure of it. And we're still about that
far away. Yeah. Yeah, so when you're a kid again,
it'll be there. Yeah, Hey, kids, when you're adults, it's
going to be all fusion. Yeah, I remember, and Actually
I wasn't around for this, but when nuclear power first
came out, they said it would be the energy would
be so cheap there would be no point to even
charging people for electricity. And of course that didn't come

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about either. There was a lot of claims didn't really
pay a lot of optimism. And yeah, I mean there
was talk after after Hairoshima Nagasaki, there was there was
some actually people's theorizing that we would it would be
a fantastic money saver because we could dismantle our army
because we just got we just have nukes. Every time
something goes around with the world will lob a nuke

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adam and so there's no point in having a standing army, tanks,
battleships or any of that stuff. Yeah, that never came
about either, okay. Um, So the besides the anti grad
any propulsion thing with that involved that big hands leg thing.
There are the claims. There's been a number of authors
that have come up with books about this thing, and
one author says that the bell was so important to

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the Nazis that they killed sixty scientists who were working
on the project and buried them in a mass grave.
That doesn't really sound like Nazis mass Graves. Not at all, No,
not at all. It's like, yes, well, mask mass Graves
are kind of popular all around the world, frankly, yeah, unfortunately. Yeah. Yeah,
that's a great way to advance your project though. Yeah,

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it's so secret. We're gonna kill you. That's how important
your work is to us. Yeah, we're gonna kill you.
We value you so much. Yeah. Uh yeah, And there's
another Another author claims that it contains red mercury, and
red mercury is kind of this big box. Yeah, we
talked about that already, but he said that it had
when you put a concave mirror on the top of
the device, it gave you the ability to see images

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from the past. So it was a time machine. Uh.
Igor Btkowski said that the bell ended up in a
South American country, and Nick claims it was taken to
the US as part of the deal made with a
general named Hans Kamler. So if this thing did exist,
we don't know where it went. You and I don't. Yeah,
this is the general public. Okay, Now, before I know that,

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we're about to get into theories. But before we get
into that, what I'm curious about is when I did
some of the research this bell. The Nazis moved it
around a lot over the course of two years. And
this things seems like it would be kind of a
big deal to move around, and they moved it around.

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And I almost got the impression through some of the
reading that they had more than one. Yeah, I've heard.
I have heard that rumors of more than one also
to three four of them. They figured they built the
first one and then oh, we gotta go here, Well,
let's just build a new one there. And rather than
packing this thing over there, which seems I guess if
it's not hard to make, that's okay. But it's again,

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they were doing strange things. They were shuffling the deck constantly,
so who knows what was going on in the high command. Yeah,
and this is one of those things too that we've
talked about in the previous stories. Some of these stories
grow in the telling. I remember right now, I know Wakowski.
I only claimed that it was down in in the
giant the valley with all the all the cool secret facilities.

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But then other people who have chimed in and said
to no, no, it was it was housed in in
this university and then went up being moved here and
moved there, and it's like, okay, maybe, yeah, I guess
you don't know where. Which is the true vein of truth? Yeah,
the true vein of truth. Yeah. So anyway, so it
let's let's talk about some theories. Sweet. Yeah, we've already

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talked about this a little bit. It was an anti
gravity device that was claimed by Wadkowski and Cook that
then they did and we're doing anti gravity experiments, which
could have conceivably it produced a very powerful weapon for
the war. I mean, I'm trying to I'm thinking, like,
if you had a powerful enough antigravity device, you could
build like a land battleship. Imagine the tank, but it
doesn't need to actually like touch the land. It just

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floats over it. And it's like not the size of
a tank, it's like the size of a small building. Yeah,
that'd be kind of cool. And I know that some
of the people that are supporting that it was for
anti gravity, they point out that scientists that were and
this is supposed, but scientists that were involved in the
V two and the V one program, which is the

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Nazis rocket program, which they were the innovators, and they
had the farthest reaching rockets at the time. Yeah, the
same scientists were involved with the Bell, So they were thinking, well,
if I can only get it so far propelled by fuel,
what if I could just make the things float over there?
And the conjecture was that they were doing it because

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they knew they couldn't use a rocket fuel based rocket
to go all the way to say the States, Yeah,
which was something that they were working on. If you
had an anti gravity device that could go there, it
would be much simpler, and you could do it with
less fuel because it's just floating along on its own
or rather than pushing its way through the atmosphere and

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fighting grab And I guess it wouldn't if it were
something that was kind of big and heavy like the Bell.
I think kind of it was right. You don't even
need to put explosives really in it for it to
have some kind of damaging effect. If you've got a
thing that's going really fast that's really heavy, you can
just barrel it through a bunch of stuff, right, or
even like ships, you don't have to shoot missiles or

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anything like that. You just shoot your thing and it
pokes a hole in it. And I was thinking more
of it, Like it's it's just towing some kind of
nuclear device or some kind of explosive device, and nuclear
is the wrong word. Explosive device. Like you watch helicopters
towing things and they're dragging it under their suspended beneath them.
So if this thing could float on its own and

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then just carry and explosive and then just get over
its target and drop it and keep going, theoretically that
means you can come back to home and you can
use it again. There's lots of lots of uses. Yeah,
I mean, they're all the fairies. Yeah. Well, and that's
the thing that you know, in order to like not
be knocked down by by the US fighters or whoever

(28:15):
they were planning on attacking, they would have to be
like above the atmosphere. So that's essentially have to be
a spaceship. But you know, I mean the Nazis were
way ahead of us in many other regards, so they
could have done that too. Mostly, you know, it's shocking
how far you can get when you don't really care
about morals and people. Yeah, yeah, it's true. But yeah,
that was We're gonna we're gonna get We're gonna talk

(28:37):
about some of those people, by the way, before we're
done here. Yeah, Now, so the anti gravity thing, even
though it's and and and Cook spent a lot of
time in his book talking about not just the bill,
but talking about the U. S. Government in general investigating
the whole anti gravity thing. They're like, he claims that
they've been doing it a lot. He thinks that they
have the bill. He thinks that they've been spending a

(28:58):
lot of money on anti gravity research, which you know,
actually wouldn't really surprise me because actually it's something we
should be trying to understand. If it's possible to understand
how to make gravity waves, how to how to block
gravity waves, that would be pretty useful technology. Yeah, you know,
thank thankfully, we haven't had any suggestions, nor do I

(29:18):
think we have any interest in ever tackling like Rawswell
or anything like that. But I do know that a
lot of the kind of more modern, more believable theories
about Roswell, an Area fifty one and things like that
are that people see these things that they identify as
unidentified flying objects because the U. S. Military is testing

(29:38):
these new kind of propulsion systems or anti gravity or
anything like that, or even stuff that's not even that
out of this world, like the Stealth Fighter, which they
definitely were there. Yeah, and they kept that under wraps
for a long time, and supposedly the CEI IS admitted
that they actually they actually stirred the pot with UFO
stories for a while just so that people spotted one

(29:59):
of our experimental craft flying around they would be dismissed
as kooks. Yeah. I think you know that's a that's
a strong possibility and play it is, and it wouldn't.
It would not shock me at all if that was
something that we were working on it, I you know,
have a problem with them working on that or keeping
it secret. Honestly, it would be. It would be an

(30:20):
extremely powerful technology if anybody could actually do it. But
I don't. I don't know that we understand gravity well
enough at this point to really create an anti gravity machine. Yeah.
I don't think we do. Yeah, I could if we
figure it out in this day and age. We're gonna
it's going to be an accident. Yeah, We're going to
stumble upon something and go WHOA, and we want to
understand will know how to do it kind of, but

(30:42):
we will know how to do it, right, Yeah, absolutely, yeah.
But yeah, so I think that as far as as
far as like you know, grabbing the Nazi bell and
trying to build rebuild a Nazi bell, I think the
better better to just fund theoretical research by scientists and
the gravity and the nature thereof and all that stuff.
We need to understand gravity a little bit better, and
that's probably a good way to Yeah, okay, So anyway,

(31:05):
there's always and I mentioned previously also there was a
time machine time travel machine theory, and this is like
that didn't allow you to go back and forward in time,
but you could see backward in time, which would be
kind of cool, I guess. But I've always thought that
that's the least one of the least useful time travel technology,
the ability to see into our past, right, because okay,

(31:28):
so I can understand seeing into our future or traveling
into our past, but seeing the past is kind of like, no,
we I mean we saw that already. Yeah, maybe not
all of the useful for murder investigations and things like that. Yeah,
I was gonna say, let's let's put this into context.
So somebody reports a detractor is what you would were

(31:50):
called when you got reported to the s S was
that the correct word detractor. What do they call when
somebody would would out you, it's oh, he's an enemy
of the state, him record, they would disappear you anyway.
The would people would say, oh, you know, and I

(32:12):
don't like Joe, I'm going to report him the s
S and then Joe would disappear because I had reported
that he did something. So think about this. You are
wondering if high high level official is maybe not as
loyal as you think he is, that might be feeding information.
It would actually be really informative and useful to be

(32:36):
able to if you could control the thing, focus on
that guy and say, you know, I know that in
this time frame of let's say two months, he did
some kind of off stuff. So let's just watch what
he did and see if he did anything that wasn't right.
And then we we have proof and we don't need
to prove in a court law. We just know that

(32:58):
we're right. The question is is could you know? I mean,
it's tough enough to see in the past, but say
you're you're there, and you're you're there in your secret
factory and you're looking into the past, I would think
you'd only be able to see it in the past
and your location. Well now now you're now you're putting
parameters on it. We don't know what this thing could do.
I'm what if I could, you know, maybe you could

(33:18):
to go to any locations past, maybe you can you
know where, whenever and wherever I want it. I gotta
say I'm impressed with those Nazis, because yeah, that's pretty
amazing me too. And I also don't have the sense.
You know, I'm not, by any means a Nazi historian.
I don't know a whole lot about this kind of
time in history or anything like that. But the impression

(33:39):
that I have is not overwhelmingly that Nazis cared about
individual life. I mean, I think that's kind of the
idea of like communism is like for the greater good, right,
so like you know, carring like a high level ranking officer, right,
But nine times out of ten, like if I go
report Joe and he gets disappeared, I don't have the
impression and they're gonna be like, all right, we're gonna

(34:02):
turn on the machine and look into the past and
see if you actually did this thing. More than they're
just going to be like, wow, a bullets super cheap. Yeah, okay,
but but no, no, no, no no. I First, first
of all, I mean the Nazis were socialists, so there
they you know, I mean, so they thought that what
they were doing is for the greater good too, just

(34:23):
like the Communists did. And so you know, but but
it's like it's like it always seems to be the
way with comedies and socialists is that you know, it's
always well, you can't make an omelet without breaking a
few eggs, exactly what I'm saying. Yeah, so they get
crushed underfoot. But nonetheless, you know, even even the Nazi Germany,
even though like they're they're a heartless bunch, they still
can't kill everybody. You can. For example, found out, like

(34:46):
you know, that the murdering his entire officer corps in
the army didn't really serve them. Well, you know, in
World War Two, it's like, you know, it's like all
the competent people that could actually like you know, save
my country from the invaders, well I had to executed
or sent to the goolak oops. Sure, right. And of course,
you know, if that was a big thing, if that's
what we're saying it was used for, is to like

(35:07):
exonerate higher ranking all board. I am on board. It
would be a great spine tool as well. I want
to see what the President of the United States was doing.
And let's say I just tuned it into two minutes
ago for him and just watches it. So I've got
a two minute delay on what the President of the
United States conversation. All right, I'm on board. Now it's

(35:28):
a cool idea. Now, I remember when I was a kid,
I used to read more a lot more sci fi
than I do today. And Isaac aske him off throw
the story that was about this machine that this guy
built that could look into the past. He could look
you know, you could look into the past and and
and anywhere and just and it was really really cool.
And but the thing about it is is that like
every time somebody came up with this technology, government agents

(35:50):
would shut would show up and take it away. And
so this guy, like he had these government agents after him,
so he just takes it, takes this and he basically
puts the whole thing out in public, you know, he publishes,
publishes everything about it, so that anybody can build one
of these things. And then and then the government agents
say and just say you know, you can look a

(36:10):
hundred years into the past, or you can look two
minutes into the past. What you've just done is you've
just destroyed everybody's privacy. Welcome to the future whole. Yeah,
and so it was it was kind of a kind
of a nice twist on the stage. Yeah, what a
boso Yeah yeah, so anyway, yeah, yeah, yeah for for

(36:32):
a kind of a silly little theory. Another theory put
out there is that it was a heavy particle accelerator.
It was there. They were using it to create bomb
grade or excuse me, weapons grade you two thirty three,
that's uranium. Yeah. So, uh so apparently there's, uh, there's
people that have claimed that it has some sort of
special acceleration process there. There are these small particle accelerators

(36:53):
that are called cyclotrons that that's kind of if you
want to don't want to have a linear accelerator, it's
like half a mile long, you can use a cyclatron
on which moves a particle in a spiral outward from
the center and it builds up speed and then you
can like you know, smash particles in other particles and
chief fusion or fission or whatever it is. You're trying
to do among these The theory is that they were

(37:14):
trying to create, trying to convert thorium two thirty two
into uranium two thirty three. I don't know what any
of those things mean. Yeah, well is this me being
an idiot, This is me being a This is complex,
this complex chemistry. Yeah. I think the simple version is
they were trying to take what was the first one again,

(37:37):
Joe thorium two thirty two thorium, and they were trying
to create uranium, which is then uh, weapons create, correct,
So they were trying to turn it into weapons grade uranium.
And if this thing was a particle accelerator. Again, this
is my understanding of the science, and I'm not a
mathematician or a scientist, but it has some and do

(38:00):
with spinning at that velocity you break off. I can't
remember if it's a I think it's electrons, yea electrons,
electron nuclei. Yeah, and so they combine and slam together
and then form a new element like the large hand
client that's exactly correct. Yeah, well yeah, I think that
that specifically what what is vaporized mercury spins in the

(38:22):
magnetic field and electron has become excited, uh and disassociate.
When they were timing nuclei, they swirl around rapidly in
this in a sort of plasma inside this and as
a as a hit protons, they emit X rays. This
is I have no idea. I'm not a physicist, but
this is the way I've heard it described as the
theoretical way that the Bell could have worked. So that

(38:42):
would explain the people white people died because exactly, yeah,
so it generates X rays and then and then the
X rays when you when the X rays hit brilliant brilliant. Supposedly,
that's what's called donating. It donates neutrons, and so yeah, exactly,
he's gonna done it. So essentially I need a deduction
on my taxes going to donate an electron. No, I

(39:05):
think I think b willium is very generous, A big
fun of it. So anyway, So anyway, so apparently under
the series they were trying to they were trying to
use fusion to create basically add protons and two and
neutrons to rate two to transform it to uranium two thirty.
This isn't a better way to generate weapons. Get great. Supposedly,

(39:28):
I guess they were looking for a simpler way, looking
for a quick to reach your shortcut to create you
two thirty or maybe even in the field to create it. Well,
there's no point in creating in the field though. Yeah,
but yeah, you created and then you just like squirt
gun it the other guys and then they're like, oh,
the X rays or yeah, super soaker party. Ever No, well,

(39:56):
so anyway, they have a heavy particle accelerator. Is probably
one of the more credible theories that you know. Certainly
it beats and I think it beats the time machine
by a little bit. Yeah, it's the anti gravity device,
but not quite so much, but also by a little bit.
But there's a fourth theory. What's that? It was a bell? Oh,

(40:18):
please tell me the uses of the Nazi bell that
rings calls people to church, you know, Yeah, that's the
Nazi bell. So yeah, so you guys, you guys have
been doing a little independent research on this yourselves, I assume. Yeah,
have you come up with any other any other credible

(40:39):
theories for this? I mean I would say that my
only other credible theory is that it's a made up thing.
It doesn't actually exist. Well, we'll talk about that talking
about let's talk about it. Yeah. The origins, of course
was Polish author Igor with Kowski, as we talked about earlier,
wrote The Truth about the Wounder WAFA. Yeah, and it
got wider play when Nick Cook published his book The

(41:01):
Hunt for Zero Points a couple of years later, right, Yeah,
and he probably sourced a lot of his information, if
not froll of it from from Kowski. Yeah. Yeah, and
he says he found incredible and believable. So I've got
named Kirk Kleiner Roatar review of The Hunt for Zero
Point and uh and here's what he had to say
about Cook's reliance on with Kowski. That's a little bit scathing.

(41:24):
It's like, you know, in a settle sort of way.
So why does Cook believe with Kowsky? I'm quoting now
the Kowsky had been recommended to me by polar sources.
Now in quoting Nick Cook, do my work at James
as someone who's both highly knowledgeable and reliable. Had Wikowski
been in any way a lightweight, I would have turned
around and got on the first plane home. But when
I saw him, I knew he was okay unquote, just
as shaking are most of Cook's conclusions. So anyway, so

(41:49):
quoting from he just keeps going, I'm going I wanted
a big review, and yeah I don't, I don't want to,
but yeah I kind of kind of ripped on Cook
just a little bit. Uh, And yeah, you guys should
read read the review's kind of fun. But so he
relied very heavily on Wkowski's story. I don't know, and
he claims that he was able to go because he

(42:09):
spent a lot of he supposed to supposedly kind of
an expert on black programs, and black programs being the
stuff that's in the black budget, the stuff that's hidden
in the budget that you don't know about, things like
the stealth bomber for example, the stealth fighter. So he
claims that by by looking at our black budgets and stuff,
he's be able to find huge gaping holes where he
can infer lots of anti gravity research and maybe you know,

(42:31):
monkying with the bells going on, but there's a lot
of the big extrapolations going on there. He doesn't actually
have access to that much information about that stuff. And
so he realized on guys like Yvonne igor Wadkowski. So
anyway back to Wakowski's he's got us. There's a little
problem with this story, which is Jacob Spornberg, who was
who was indeed a German high ranking German s S. Soldier,

(42:55):
But and that, and of course it was Jacob Swarburgh
was the guy that Polish Intelligence ppposedly interrogated and and
made a transcript of the interrogation. And then what Kowski
got to read that they talked about the Bell So
he's he was. He was a soldier, he wasn't a scientist.
He spent he spent most of the war fighting partisans
in bell Belarus and in Poland, and eventually wound up

(43:17):
in Norway, where he was captured by the British. Let
me throw up a map real quick like here. Well,
first of all, down here this is this is the
giant the valley where all that all that secret stuff
is going on in those vast complexes on the border
of the Republican on the of the Czech Republic and
not too far east of Germany. Spormberg was initially stationed
in Minsk in Belarus, which is I don't know, eight

(43:41):
hundred to a thousand miles northeast there, and eventually he
was stationed in Lublin, Poland, which is several hundred miles
to the east of where the bell would have been,
and then after that wound up in Norway. It doesn't
appear to me from his biography anyway, unless unless they cleverly,
cleverly cut some stuff out. Number one, it didn't appear

(44:02):
that he physically got anywhere close to the bell. And
also there's no particular reason why he would have been,
because he was a soldiery and basically kind of you know,
there never reason to be there. I had no reason
to be there really. Or two, and if he if
he was staying down there for any reason, it's not
like somebody's gonna take him aside and say, hey, check
out this really cool anti gravity thing we're working on. Well,

(44:23):
you could be another soldier trying to impress me. Buddy,
You're not gonna believe what I found. But you know
what it kind of sounds like to me, is you know,
if you couldn't tell I've never been to war, I've
never been a soldier, But I have the impression that
there's a lot of like kind of b sen and
like storytelling, almost like campfire storytelling, particularly if you're like

(44:44):
in the trenches of an awful war like, and you know,
it's just it's human nature to kind of like make
up these stories. And often you want to make up
stories about this awesome new technology that you have, the
you are fighting for have that's going to help you
in a war. And so me, you know, it's totally possible.

(45:05):
This guy heard somebody who was like, oh man, you
know what I saw recently, or like this scientist dude
told me they have been working on It was just
kind of a campfire story. But he got captured and
interrogated and he was like, Okay, I'm just gonna tell
you everything that might be anything, and it's just kind
of spiraled out of control. Does that even seem plausible?

(45:27):
I mean, let's let's talk about that for a second.
So by the time the polls interrogated him, he had
to have known he was going to be hung for
for his war crimes, because this guy committed some serious
war crimes, biggest among them operational harvest festival in Poland,
which involved they rounded up. They were having troubles. They're
not just having troubles with the local Jews. They were

(45:50):
they were like, you know, rising up. And then you know,
because the Jews basically being kept in slave labor camps,
and so there were rebellions and all kinds of stuff,
all kinds of trouble, all kinds of trouble with them,
and so they finally decided to just killed them all.
And so Operation Harvest Festival was they had all these
all these slaves come out and dig quote unquote tank trenches,

(46:11):
defensive tank trenches, and so that's what they basically got
to dig their own mass grave. And then yeah, over
a period of a couple of days, they slaughtered them
all and then buried them. There we're talking a serious,
seriously huge, heinous war crime. So, like I said, he
wound up being stationed in Norway where he was captured

(46:32):
by the British. After interrogation, they decided to send Sender
to London for further interrogation regarding his war crimes, and
he was eventually extradited after the war to Poland and
he was executed by the Polish in nineteen e sees
me by the Poles in nineteen fifty two. So it's
unlikely that he would be trying to trade information for
well precisely, yeah, because there's no point he knows he's

(46:54):
going to get shot or strong up or something. Well,
people are inherently trying to stay alive as long as possible,
and it's pretty it's it's kind of well known fact
that if I'm in custody, I might as well just
start telling you everything I can, because as long as
I'm talking, you've got a reason to keep me right. Yeah, yeah,

(47:18):
it took me a second to make that connection of
but I also just you know, turned a name into
an adverber. But yeah, you keep talking, keep giving them
even if your jaws pulling it out of your backside.
You just keep talking and telling them stuff because I
just keep writing it down and going with it. And yeah,
maybe I mean I you know, I think that would
have bought him about an extra five minutes, but not

(47:39):
really worth it. And and he had a credibility problem there,
and that you know, he was he was basically his
job was just to like, you know, repress people and
slaughter Jews and stuff like that, and so it has
no credibility when comes talking about secret scientific things. So anyway,
that's why I don't think that Kowski's story is really credible,
because I don't see how Spoortingberg could have been involved

(48:00):
in anything any sort of scientific project. I don't see why.
He seems like we've got a pretty good record of
what he was doing. Yeah, and I don't see why
he would have spent any time and interrogation talking about
some secret Nazi bell thing. It doesn't make any sense
to me. That could have happened. I mean, you never know.
I mean, they might have drugged him, and it might
be by this point in time he was he's been
spending He's spent years in cells and an interrogation rooms

(48:23):
and everything like that. Maybe he was out of his mind.
I mean, maybe you know, solitary does awful things to
people and they just want to say, don't say anything,
you know. So anyway back to let's talk about Nick
Cook for a second. Um, he seems a little credulous,
you know, and he seems like a credible person because

(48:44):
he worked for Jame's Defense Weekly and now even even
like since then, he submits articles as a contributor to
Financial Times, Wall Street Journal. You know, not not a
not a raving loon or anything like that. But he
seems a bit credulous. I came across an interview of
him in the Atlantic and from ways back and he's
queered about a guy named John Hutchison, and he spends

(49:07):
some time talking about Hutchesson, and he thinks this stuff
is interesting and credible and true. But how just said,
if you do a little Internet searching on the guy,
he's a total crank who has claimed that he created
a zero gravity field and and he's been able to
transmit metal steel to lead things like that, and uh

(49:27):
what else. He says he's created a battery that has
almost infinite power. He's made all these claims. He can't
replicate any of these claims, and so he's he's universally
accepted as just alluded to crank. So basically what you're
getting at is that Cook kind of buys in easily,
maybe not the right people. He's yeah, kind of yeah yeah.

(49:49):
Also in his book he talks about Hans Kammler. We
talked about that a little earlier than he said that.
He said that Hans Kammler had had arranged arranged for
clamming see from the Allies for by trading them a
lot of valuable technology scientific research. That's how the bell
supposedly came to the Kammler written moved the bell to
a safe spot a hidden spot and then negotiated with

(50:13):
with the US and said, hey, I've got this incredible WOUNDERWAFFA,
you know, this anti gravity time machine device, and you know,
if you guys will and this guy was also a
war criminal, and so if you guys will forgive my sins,
I'll tell you where it is. And yeah, and so
that is what Cook claims. But I did a little
research on haunts Kammler's biography, and he was a civil

(50:35):
engineer and he built a lot of things, including including
concentration camps. He designed and build like for example, some
of the some of the crematoriums where they gassed all
the Jews. I mean, yeah, he was it was involved
in a lot of stuff like that. He was a
competent engineer, and he rose in power and eventually wound
up being in charge of not just he was essentially

(50:57):
was he was charged with building a V two rocket
production facility, and then eventually he wound up being put
in charge of actually running the facility and producing V
two rockets, which were by the way, produced with slave labor.
For the reasons, he was very effective at it because
he was ruthless and he didn't really care about working
people to death and things like that, and later on
he got put in charge of aircraft. Also, Cook claims

(51:17):
that that Hants Kammler was in charge of all of
their secret weapons programs, but that's not true. That's an exaggeration.
He was in charge of rocket production and apparently aircraft production,
but that's about it. He was a civil engineer. He
wasn't a scientist. But Cook claims that he was in
charge of all these super secret programs and that therefore

(51:40):
he was the guy that could have traded these to
the Allies. But no, so we're saying he's not super credible. Yeah,
so yeah, I would say he is not credible, and
so in snce, he's the guy who actually popularized his theory.
I mean, igor Igorotkowski is the guy who first put
it out there in the public square. But Cook is
the guy who actually sold all more books on this

(52:00):
whole thing. Yeah, it seems to me like Cook is
a bit of a crank after all. It's like hard
to believe, but apparently so that's kind of the end
of our theories. Uh yeah, well that's that's not a
theory about the about that. Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's
kind of the end of at least my researching least

(52:22):
because the only information we have on this thing is
from Vikkowski and then through Nick Cook, through Nick Cook Wittskowsky,
I don't see that Nick Cook has been able to
uncover anymore about the bell. About the bell he's conjectured
about about Hans Kambler, but none of that is credible.
Hans Kambler didn't have access, wouldn't have had access to

(52:44):
the bell. So is where did the bell go? Is
it's like buried somewhere still in Czechoslovakia? Is it in America?
Is it in the South American country? Well? I think
it never existed. Personally, Kevin, I think that um Joe
has been fairly persuasive and that the evidence is strong

(53:05):
that perhaps it never existed. But you guys know me,
so I'm gonna say you could look back in time
with it, even though I think that's useless technology. I personally,
the though I don't get it, I am swayed by
the amount of science that has written about the bell.
I also don't know that it really existed, but people

(53:26):
have theorized a lot of stuff, and it seems to
have some credible science behind it. Which is pretty interesting.
And I also like the time thing, but I I
have also seen that it was a time machine, and
I kind of like that theory, and we're not I
don't want to take go into it a whole lot here,
But have you heard the theory that time is one

(53:51):
giant loaf of bread In every moment it is a slice,
That time is a circle? No, No, that it's a
loaf of bread, and that you can you can if
you go back, you're going back to the previous slice
if you look it up, and you actually, I think
if you just google time is a loaf of bread
or a slice of bread, you can find this theory
because it's really kind of heard about, simple and interesting,

(54:13):
and I like that idea. I think it's kind of slick.
I also don't think the thing is real. Time is
just an endless circle. Time is a piece of topes. No,
I am making a listener call out name that reference
time is an endless circle circle. Okay, yeah, there's another
theory that And actually it's credible that time is actually

(54:35):
doesn't actually really will it exists, but it's just a
way for us to sort out reality. Yeah yeah, yeah,
let's just just want to take a second. It's like
time essentially. What happens, what's going on is that everything
is happening all at once. What happened yesterday, what's happening
right now, what's happening to, what's going to happen tomorrow,
All happened at the same time. Time is just our

(54:58):
way of our mental const mental contiving the world around us,
telling you this is another show. Yeah, okay, we will
do this, all right, we'll talk about this at the time. Yeah,
So anyway, at the time and the time machine, that's exciting,
fun stuff. The thing about it is is like the
stuff that's been spun, like you're talking about this, some
of the theories that have been spun about how it

(55:18):
could have been used to create uranium two thirties three
and stuff like that is and and I've seen some
very elaborate depictions of the internal setup of this thing
and how it all worked. Well, And you sent me
something about how in two thousand one somebody claimed to
have recreated a scale version of the bell. Yeah, exactly exactly.

(55:38):
And it's like zoo died gravitational fields or I don't
remember what it was, but yeah, and it's like and
It's interesting because against Sportingberg was the only source of
information for this thing. Uh and Sparinberg did exist, but
he's been dead since nineteen fifty two. So he describes
this thing and describes basically as a box and says, well,
you know, it's capable of doing the US and then

(56:00):
somebody in two thousand and one, based on that, goes
out and creates a replica of it. It's like, really,
how does you manage to do that? I could see
if you stumbled across some plans and you knew precisely
what it was supposed to do, and you had an
idea of how it worked and everything, you could do that.
But Sparinberg had didn't have a clue if he really existed,
he had no clue how it worked or even precisely

(56:21):
what it did. I have a new theory. The bell
was actually a field shower that works yet in it
and it would spiral water up and heat it up
and just shower it down you and you have privacy,
so that Hitler could It was a mobile shower. It
was a mobile spaw. It was the mobile spa. Yeah,

(56:44):
we just mistranslated the German. It's badly badly recorded. That's
what it is. It's actually Dave Fear's spaw. Yeah, that's
my new theory. You know, if you look at it,
actually almost looks like a space cap, so like they
you know, like like like uh, you know, maybe they
were working at space caps. So maybe they were going

(57:05):
to put a man in orbit. They were going to
replace the Liberty Bell. Yeah, maybe that's what it was.
When they finally invaded America. There it is. That would
have been actually a cool prank, you know, sneak and sneaking,
and one day Americans get up and there's this bell
with a swastick on the side of it in Philadelphia.
I think that's I think that's what they were. Yeah,

(57:27):
they were totally gonna punk us. Okay, so that's about it.
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(58:10):
If you guys have any comments about us, like, we
would totally love to get an email from you about
the Nazi Bell. And if you are the Nazi Bell,
please send us an email. Would so you know, I
think we're gonna have to do some deciphering because I
don't know if the Nazi Bell has hands. Yeah, it's
kind of hard. He's gonna tap, He's gonna use the
top of his face. Yeah, we'll have to use Google Translate.

(58:32):
If if you're if you're a Nazi war criminal who
was involved in this, we would love to love to
hear from you. If your skin was melted off by
the radiation from the Nazi Bell. Absolutely. So that's about
it for this week's so tata everybody talk to you
next week. Guys. I'm pretty sure it was aliens, no,
no doubt.