CLASSICS (Bonus Episode): Confrontation in Colorado!

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Big Food and Beyond.

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Berrickman and James Bobo Fay.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Hello, Squatch, geteers out there and Bigfoot and Beyond land.
This is Cliff from Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
oftentimes Bobo. Bobo is not going to be here today.
He was almost here. In fact, we're starting almost an
hour late because he was almost here for almost an hour.
But uh, technological problems haunt Bobo. So anyway, I'm excited

(00:52):
about this guest because Bobo told me about this guy
this past week, says, Dude, we got to have this
guy on. Dude, He's blah blah blah, Boba blah blah
blah blah. And I'm thinking, oh, well, Bobo's blah blawing
at me. It must be amazing, right, So Bobo lined
them up. But I love this because see, Bobo's already
spent like an hour on the phone with peers. Peeris
is this guy's name? I've never met the guy we
started talking an hour ago on the phone here when

(01:13):
we're trying to get Bobo to get his technological act together.
And so I have never heard this story, so I
am hearing it for the first time, just like you
our listeners are hearing this story for the first time.
So with that in mind, pieris how you doing, man?

Speaker 1 (01:28):
I'm good. I'm good. I mean you you give me
way too much accreditation.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Oh, you know your witness and witnesses are are are
to be listened to. And Bobo's said some great things
about your encounter. And just so you know, I'm a
pretty friendly guy and or nothing to be worried about.
I know sasquatches are real. I'm not here to make
fun of anybody. I'm just here to listen to what
you have to say and get some perspective from what
you've learned from this whole event. But let's let's learn

(01:57):
a bit a little bit about who you are first.
Can you tell us maybe what you do for a living,
or where you live, or any of that sort of
stuff to give us a background on who you are.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Right now, I'm in Tennessee. I've lived all over the world.
I lived in Vietnam, for a year and a half.
I was in Tanzania for a year and a half.
I went to college in Germany. So I've lived all
over the planet.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Were you in the service or something. That's a lot
of that's a lot of countries to cover.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
Yeah, not not exactly, no, but yeah, it's been a
really amazing life. And you know, my one encounter with
the sasquatch happened in Colorado. I was in Colorado for
seven years and had an event company, and so that's

(02:43):
where I had my encounter.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
And when when did this encounter happen?

Speaker 1 (02:46):
It's like ninety nine. I mean, I could be wrong,
I could be one one off either way, but ninety
nine January is what I think it is.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
What were you doing? Like, because you know, you don't
run into sasquatches in Boulder, for example. You don't run
into sasquatches in Denver.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Aspen is really unique in the fact that it's kind
of like Vancouver in the fact that is it's almost
like an island unto itself. I mean, there's force all
around you, there's food for bears and stuff all around you,
and they don't hibernate there. I mean, because they're coming
into town and they and they go, they run rough

(03:24):
shot over your trash cans and stuff.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
And no, I've never been to Aspen. It's one of
the places in Coloradi I have yet to visit. So
is it pretty deep snow in January during during Aspen?

Speaker 1 (03:35):
It can be, it can be for sure.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
What about this particular winner, I mean it.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Started snowing when I had my moment, but yeah, I
mean it was. It's always snowing a little bit. I
mean it snow's like eleven months out of the year there.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Oh geez, really, I wouldn't like it there very much then,
although I heard it's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
It's really pretty. But the whole point was I was
going out to this Pine Creek Cookhouse, which is amazing
the way, if you ever get a chance to do that,
do this at a restaurant or it's a restaurant and
it's out in the wilderness and fantastic food and they
specialize and really exotic meats and stuff. So you have

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caribou and.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Well, let tho's pause on that for a minute, like,
because I'm always interested in that kind of stuff. So
they have cariboos? Do they have do they have elk?

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (04:22):
What about moose or something like that.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Moose, buffalo everything, And that was the place of the
sighting and the way you get there in the winter time,
you have two choices. You can cross country ski up
to it, or you take a sleigh ride on the side.
If you're an old, fat guy like me.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Oh my god, this is a different level of restaurant.
This is not what I was expecting at all. That's
really cool.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah it is. It's pretty spectacular. And so I was
there with some friends and you know, we cross country
skied up there. I was in my twenties then, well
maybe thirties, but okay, don't tell.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, yeah, don't worry about it, you know.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Anyway, I mean, so, you know, we hiked up to
the spot and had a great dinner, and we were
the last ones to leave, and because we're just hanging
out having a good time, and it got to the
point where there were probably like three people left in
the building other than us, and it got to be
obvious it was time to leave the premises, and so

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we were heading downhill, and as luck would have it,
I failed to zip up my green north Face jacket
that had my keys in it, so my keys fell
in the snow and it's snowing, so that's that's there's
some good news. So so we get all the way
down to the bottom and this is about I think

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it's like one point one miles I think somewhere in
that range. And we get there and we pull up
the car. I mean, you take off your skis and
you take off your visor that has a headlamp. You
know that you know allows you to not take a
header off a footfall or something. You know, it's not
it's not real bright, neither of mine.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
So so anyway, so we get down the hill and
uh I pull up to the car and uh I
don't have the keys, and.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
My friends are a little looking at me, and some
of them are from out of town. They're from from Virginia,
and uh I just said, I got to go get
my keys, and and they said, you're never going to
find your keys, Like, I mean, it's snowing. We just
ran downhill with this thing or or ski downhill. You're

(06:40):
never going to find your keys. But these keys are
my house keys, my work keys, everything, Like I mean,
there's no way I'm going to leave that behind.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, your life is on these key chains. It's like
losing your wallet or something.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
It is because I mean, it's easy for them to say,
we can catch a taxi and you can go back home, but.

Speaker 4 (07:01):
I can't get into my home without my keys. I
can't go into work the next day without them. And
I don't have a car to drive without those keys too.
So I said, you know what, I'm going to go
find my keys. So I actually walked back up, and
I was not skiing at this point, I was.

Speaker 5 (07:17):
I walked back up, and I put the head lamp
back on my head, and I put one lamp and
each of each hands, so I had basically three lamps
going on, and I just slowly walked up.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
I mean, and when I say slowly, I mean slowly,
and this is a mile plus, you know, but I
don't know where it could have fallen out. So I mean,
I'm thinking I'm going to kick something up or I'm
not going to kick something up, and so I'm being
very careful about that. And then I'm focusing my head
lamps on the on my feet because that's where I

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figure I'm going to find the keys. And this fast
forward times like thirty minutes because at the top of
the hill, I'm about to give up, and I actually
saw the fob sticking out of the of the snow
because it was there was a tree that had blocked
some of the snow, thankfully for me, because the story

(08:15):
would be indifferently proly. But anyway, so I picked the
keys up and I thought, man, that's that's a moment.
That's a moment.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
What a huge breath of release. I relief that must
have been. This is insane. Just the stress off your
shoulders at that point.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Absolutely, And I put them in and zipped up my coat.
I tucked it away, and I thought, this is a
thank you God moment.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
There's always an opportunity for gratitude, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yes, And then I heard this deep breathing off the side.
And get your attention, because you are in the wilderness.
I mean when you're when you when you go to
the Pine Creek cook House, you're in the wilderness. Get me,
no wrong, this is the wilderness. So I'm honestly I'm

(09:03):
afraid that it's a mountain lion or a bear or something.
I mean a bear, I could deal with mountain line
then they can be cagy. So I mean, I was
honestly more afraid the fact that it would be a
mountain line than anything. And I shined the light on it,
the lights plural on it, and this is not a

(09:24):
mountain line, and it steps out. It takes a linebacker stance.
I'm pretty accurate on on height, you know. I mean
people want to say, you know, they're twelve feet tall
and stuff like that. It was like seven and a
half feet tall, seven to five. So that's what you said.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
It stepped out.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
What was it?

Speaker 2 (09:44):
What was it behind a tree or something.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Or it was leaning up against the side of the
building to try to be invisible.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Oh, it was leaning against the restaurant.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Leaning against the restaurant because it was trying to not
be seen.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Oh. I didn't realize we're back at the restaurant. I
thought it was like en route to the restaurants.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
I'm doing a poor rendition of the No.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Hey, that's why I'm here, man, keeping us on track. Yeah,
So it was leaning against the restaurant, which is interesting
because you got to wonder why was it going to
the restaurant. I wonder if there was an outside grease
trap or something it was rating on a regular basis.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Well, that's what David asked me.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
David Ellis when you spoke to him.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
David Ellis, Yeah, he asked me about that, which again
my answer would be, I don't know, but there was
no tree to hide behind.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Okay, So it's leaning against the restaurant almost kind of
like a plain view in a way.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Well, I mean it's it's complete darkness, but you know,
you know, I'm illuminating that with the with the light,
and it was trying to not be seen. As soon
as that it recognized that it was on pay per
view here, you know, I mean, it stepped out and
just said, okay, well you know this is where we are.

(10:53):
These these are my words, clearly, and it just took
a posture that was basically permitting.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, you said a linebacker stance. What do you mean
by that?

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Okay, so he or she because I'm not going to
say which one it is because I don't know, all right,
So it bent his knees, the knees and the hands
went out to the side, and and it was basically
ready for handling whatever's going to come forward after that.
I mean, it was just a ready, ready pose. I mean,

(11:25):
I don't I don't know another way to say it.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Cliff, So like again, I'm not much of a sports guy,
but kind of like just like two guys ready to
face off, almost like a wrestling sort of thing before
they engage, but a little bit more stand up.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
I think that's fair to say.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah, okay, okay, I'm just trying to kind of trying
to picture it in my head, you know.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Yeah, and it was it was ready to uh handle me,
which which would have taken nothing, but okay, would have
taken nothing. But I mean once once it was on
full display, like it just gave of the ghost and
just said, hey, look I'm here. Now what And I

(12:04):
was like, I didn't ask for what.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
I didn't know that was part of the deal here, right,
And I was.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
Just trying to find my keys and go back to
my tahoe and go home.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
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Speaker 1 (14:11):
It squared off with me, and it's staring at me.
And people want to say they have these crazy eyes
or something like that. That's not true. I mean, that's
not what I saw. I mean they were deep set eyes,
but they were intense and it was obvious. It was
absolutely a It's a creature. It's not something out of

(14:34):
some fairy tale. I mean, this is a real thing
and you're looking at it and you have to recognize
it and give it some respect and give it some room.
You know. It kind of waited me out, and I
was waiting it out, and I thought, obviously, your first
thought is to run, right, I mean, if you're encountering

(14:54):
a lion or something, you're going to run, but that.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Could trigger Yeah, you may not want to. I just
thought maybe that.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Could trigger some some thing in its mind that I
should be pursued. If I do that. So I just
sat there and staring at it and staring at me,
and this went on for roughly fifteen seconds.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Fifteen seconds. And how about about how far apart were
you at that time?

Speaker 1 (15:21):
Twenty feet twenty five feet?

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Twenty five feet holy smoked, okay, so twenty to twenty
five feet. Were there any lights coming off the building
or anything, or your headlamps the only thing illumining?

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Nothing? Nothing, okay with cloudy?

Speaker 2 (15:34):
It was cloudy thing because you said it was snowing,
so the moon wasn't out either.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
It was snowing. And I looked at the building because honestly,
I was trying to find refuge, because I thought, all right,
so that might be an option because the other ray
is like a mile and a half down the hill
or one point one miles anywhere down the hill, and
by that time I'm not gonna make it. So yeah,

(15:59):
so I I glanced at the building and the lights
are all out, all out, and I think the people
that work there probably had between the time of us
leaving and me getting back to that spot, they had
already gone home, and so everything was dark. And you know,

(16:19):
I mean again, I mean, if you asked me to guess. Obviously,
probably at times people leave food out or something like that,
or trash out maybe, but that'd be just a pure guess, uh,
because I don't know. It was just there and anyway,

(16:40):
So I'm squaring off with this guy or girl and
it has this low growl that is absolutely unique to
anything I've ever heard. I mean, like when a dog
growls at you, it has this kind of consistent like
thing us and it might have to catch his breath,

(17:02):
but it's going to be the same growl. This did
not sound like that it was modulated. That gave me
a little pause too, because I thought at some point
it's like, I mean, it's got something to say.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
When you say modulated, do you mean like it went
up like like up and down in pitch or did
it slow and it's rumbles or what do you mean
by the word modulated, because it could mean a lot
of different things to a lot of different people, and
I'm just trying to get as accurate a picture as
i can.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
Well, I mean, the best rendition would would be if
you would were to play play David's.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Oh yeah, that's right, Maybe that's good. This is a
good time to bring that in because You've already spoken
about this to David Ellis, who's a fantastic researcher, a
part of the Olympic Project, good friend of ours, been
on the show before, super Smart Guy too, you know,
super Smart Guy, And he has a recording apparently that
matches this really well.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Identical, except this is deeper. It's deeper, but it's identical
other than that, and it goes up and down and
it almost mimics voice.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Through the magic of editing. We'll have Matt prut put
that into the episode right now so our listeners can
hear it.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
I never had heard that before, because well, I mean,
certainly I did in real time, but but I had
not heard the episode that you had on. I think
it was sixty five, episode sixty five, and I didn't
know David. Then I know David, and I think David's
a great guy. He's a super super smart guy.

Speaker 8 (18:41):
So to listen to him and gain some wisdom from that,
you know that that gave me some insight that I
did not previously have.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
So I'm going to give him some big old shout out.
But you know, it was staring off at me and growling,
and I never felt threatened. I honestly didn't feel threatened,
but I thought that it had chosen its ground and
just said, basically like this is my this is my assumption,

(19:13):
like this is where the line ends. That was my intake.
It's like the line ends here. Everything after this is real,
you know. I just waited them out.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
And how long did you have to wait before the
next move happened? And I'm sure that seemed much longer
than it actually was.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Well again, I mean considering this, all right, so five
seconds sound like five minutes. I mean I didn't never
stop watch, but I think the whole thing was probably
fifteen or twenty seconds.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Which is an eternity when you're actually there.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Well yeah, when you're yeah, when you're squaring off with
something that can end you. Yes, of course.

Speaker 8 (19:49):
And it took its hands again, I'm gonna say it,
because I don't know if it's a male or female.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
It works for us, the word it works for the situation.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
All right, So the sasquatch cupped its hands. I remember
this distinctly because there's only a couple of things I'm
looking at right now, and what I'm looking at is
what's going to physically be a problem, you know, And
that's the hands in the mouth. That's the only thing

(20:19):
I'm staring at. That's the only thing I'm shining a
light on at this point. I mean, people ask me, hey,
does it does it have big feet? How do I know?
I mean, it's snowing, so I don't know. I mean,
and even if I didn't know, I mean, I'm not
going to stare his feet. I'm worried about these gigantic hands,

(20:41):
and I mean in the face, and it's almost I
don't want to say it's a human face because that
that that would be wrong. But it's close. It's real close.
You know, if someone didn't shave for five weeks or
something like that, it'd be real close. And the intensity

(21:03):
of the stair I'm never going to forget that. I'm
never going to forget that. That was something that will
resonate with me forever.

Speaker 8 (21:11):
And then when it put its hands together and it
clapped and it did this with this cupped hand thing
it did and it sounded like again I don't want
to sound like a crazy person, but it sounded like
a door getting shut on a seventies car.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
It sounded exactly like that, exactly like that. I mean,
I'm fifty three years old. So I remember those times
and when you would close the door, it has this
deep clunk noise, and that's exactly what it sounded like,
and that's when I decided to part ways.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Well, here's a deal. Anybody who says that they would
have done something different wasn't there and has no right
to say so, because I don't know if anybody has
been big footing for a while, or any any witness
like yourself who's a purely accidental witness. Right to be
in that situation is entirely different than planning to be
in that situation. And you never know what you're gonna do.
You never can predict, So how can you do and

(22:14):
dig a picture of it? All those questions? Yeah, I
can see how someone would ask that, but there's nonsense.
Having been in those situations.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Over and above that, I think someone who that says
that they can prepare for that, they're lying too. They're
lying to themselves, because you know, once you're there and
you're facing the storm, it's different. I mean it's different,
you know. I mean, you can say all day long
what you're gonna do, Okay, I'm gonna under these circumstances,

(22:42):
this is what I'm gonna do. Oh yeah, that's that's
great barroom talk. But you know, when you're in the moment,
you know when when a lion looks you in the face,
then you have it your own come to Jesus moment,
so to speak. And that's what I had. And you
know it wasn't some paranormal thing it was. It was

(23:03):
a feral thing that I was just I was. I
was intimidated. I'll tell you right now. I was.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Anybody would have been. So did it clap once?

Speaker 1 (23:13):
One time? That's all too one clap And that clap
was loud. Dude, it was loud. It was really like
slamming a door. But I mean, you have to understand,
these hands are huge. They're huge, They're huge, they're cartoonish. Again,
I'm going to reference David one more time, because David

(23:34):
asked me, he said, did it use his mouth to
combine that with the with the And the truth is,
I don't know. I mean, because the only thing at
that point I'm looking at our hands because that's what
I think is about to rip me in three pieces.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Now I've got a question about it, and I know
I'm really nitpicking here, but I'm curious if maybe if
I ask you, maybe you remember something or maybe you
notice what I'm when it clapped, you know, like imagine
sitting in a seat watching a presentation, and then afterwards
you clap your arm. Your elbows would be bent, probably
about ninety degrees or so, and you'd be clapping in
Your hands would be six inches or a foot away

(24:11):
from chest or your chest? Was that like the position
that clapped? Or how did this sing clap? How did
the arms move when they came together?

Speaker 1 (24:21):
It was just a lightning strike. I mean it was
both hands wide apart coming together.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Were the arms extended when the hands connected or were
they bent? If you remember and I don't know, it
is always an acceptable answer.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
I mean to tell you the truth. I'm not sure
fair enough, fair enough.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
I'm sure you were a little overwhelmed at the time.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
I mean, I mean from my recollection, they came from
wide apart and it just it just collapsed his hands
into each other. And whether they're bent or not, I
don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
You know, your description kind of reminds me of is
like a grandmother trying to scare away a from a picnic.
In a way, you know, like these faster, hey you
get out of here sort of things. There's something about
what you're describing that reminds me of that.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
It's the same effect because I left.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yeah, because that's what I wanted to ask you. Because
even those Sasquatches are not humans, and it's hard to
get inside their head, and they don't speak English or
whatever o their language.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
We're still all apes. We're still all apes.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
And they're very effective communicators. What did you feel it
was communicating to you by that clap? Or was even
for you? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
It was time to leave the situation. That's that's what
I got, you know, it was it was okay for
a minute, and it's like, all right, you need to
go home. And I was like, you know what, I
got no problem with that. I have no problem with that.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
And is that what you did? What happened next?

Speaker 1 (25:51):
I mean, I face planted like three times run downhill
because I'm running in snow.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
So you turned and ran at that point, Yes, once.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
You decide that it's time to exit stage right, you know,
I mean, you don't do it, you know, in a
wonderful way.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Yeah, there's no grace at that point.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
It's no grace because I mean you you know, and
you're thinking. I've had had people ask me, Hey, did
you look behind you and see what's coming? It's like, no, no,
I did not. I did not.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yeah, you might see it, why would you look?

Speaker 1 (26:22):
I mean, if you see it, it's over. I mean
the thing could have overturned me in a half second.
So I mean, if it's behind me, it's behind me.
And I'll never find out. You know, the thing that
struck me is not the height, it's the width. Honestly,
the width is what probably stood out to me.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Is it just a shoulder with or with of the
whole torso or or.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
With of the shoulder with shoulder with was like four
and a half feet wide? And you know, you know,
I've shared this story with friends and they're like, hey,
you know, four feet wise, it's not the big deal. No,
it's a big deal.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
It's a big deal on a seven and a half
foot tall one, it is. Yeah, it's a big deal.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
And they're perfectly sculpted, let's put it that way. Yeah,
this thing is definitely worked out. I mean I don't
want to fight it, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yeah, you know, I happen to be sitting at the
desk here at the North American Bigfoot Center, and all
over this museum here we have tape measures. I'm measuring
my shoulders now, and I'm not a big man. I'm
five foot eight tall as long as I'm not slouching,
and I'm measuring my shoulders right now, and they are
basically twenty one inches, and I'm fairly broad shouldered. I
get I think for my height, twenty one inches.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
So take the times two point three exactly exactly. Anyone
who doesn't understand how big that is doesn't get it.
I mean it's absolutely would cut out the sun. That's great.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
And by the way, I've got to congratulate you on
your math skills, you know, because twenty two inches times
two point three is fifty point six. It's like a
you know, four foot Uh.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Well, I've got a real good friend of mine. He
played for the Mavericks. He's uh he's six foot eleven
and uh yon mahemi he was. He played for the
Mavericks when they won the championship with Dirk Novisky, and
so I got a pretty good, you know, reference point
of height and stuff. And this was taller, but the

(28:22):
width was amazingly different. I mean, there's there's no human
that could fill that, no way, you know. And and
you know, I've had people ask me like, oh, you
think somebody was wearing some suit or something like that.
Why in the middle of nowhere, in the middle of nowhere,
why would they do that? And that's not possible. And

(28:45):
they couldn't even fill it out if they tried. It'd
be like making a prank phone call to a to
a number that you know won't pick up. Like that's
not gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and with Cliff and Bogo
will be right back after these messages.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
The only reason, the only reason that I saw this
sasquatch was the fact that I dropped my keys in
the snow and I went downhill and I came back
up real slow and real quiet, and it's snowing and
I'm down in so it can't smell me, you can't

(29:30):
hear me because I'm basically just shuffling my feet to
try to churn up my keys. And uh, and I
just stumbled upon it and it was probably like focused
on some other stuff, and you know, you know, David
David Ellis asked me. He's like, hey, was there a
trash can outside? I don't know. I don't know. I mean,

(29:53):
you think I'm going to go back and look, No,
that's a that's a check sign right there. Man. When
it's time to go home. It's time to go home.
Oh yeah, that was haven't been back. Actually, you know,
I have not been back. And they have great food.
It's a great place, you know. I just you know,
that was my little moment. And I'm not qualified to

(30:14):
be on this show. I'll be the first one to
say that.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Oh I would. I would be the first one to
disagree with you. No, I'll due respect. I think you
had a fantastic encounter. That's close up and cool, and yeah,
you've got an interesting observation because you know, the vast
majority of sasquatch sighting reports seemed to be road crossings
or I saw it at a distance and it disappeared.
That kind of thing where there has very very little

(30:38):
information about about the animal. You know, it's a snapshot,
and you're trying to write a biography about a person
based on a snapshot. But in situations like this, where
there's a little bit of a standoff and there's a
little bit of an interaction. Maybe almost you've observed the
sasquatch doing something unusual that kind of broadens our understanding
of their species and the things that's stand out to me.

(31:01):
It's so far, and I still have some questions for you,
by the way, but the things that stand out to
me so far about this is number one, it was
leaning against the building when you encountered it's okay, So
that tells me the thing goes to this building sometimes
for something, most likely food. So maybe it's raiding the
trash cans maybe, which is problematic because you can't tell
if sasquatches raid the trash cans because they very often

(31:22):
put the lids back on. They're not like bears in
that sort of way. Maybe there's a grease trap, because
that's been well documented in places out of Oklahoma, for example,
there's a video of one of these things doing that thing.
And also, once it knew, it tried to hide, but
once it knew the gig was up, it kind of
squared off against you. It looks like or sounds like.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
With that exception, that is exactly what happened.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yeah, yeah, so it was ready to take you on.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
It put me on notice.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Because you put it on notice somehow exactly. And then
of course the clapping thing was infinitely useful because it's
been a discussion for a long time. I've been putting
this out since at least two thousand and six or
two thousand and eight, that sasquatches are doing more than
hitting trees with sticks. Man, They're they're clapping or making
mouth and pop noises or something, or maybe all of
those things and more. And the more visual observations of

(32:12):
these kinds of behaviors, the more fuel we have for
that fire, the more evidence we have for that hypothesis,
which is by the way, supported by the other known
apes as well. Gorillas are well known to do the same.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
The clunk noise definitely was hand to hand.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Yeah, that is really cool because I personally heard car
door slamming in the woods and I had no idea
why they were that. There couldn't have been cars where
I was, So that this is, you know, kind of
filling in that puzzle piece for people like me and
other people have heard similar things.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
When it did that, my eyes got wide, like it
was just to me. It was it was expressing itself,
like you need to vacate the premises like, I mean,
like it was very clearly just going, you're not okay here,
you're not okay here. And uh and so guess what,

(33:04):
I don't have to be asked twice. I'm out in
that moment. I mean it was, it was real. I
don't know, primal, I guess, so to speak. I mean,
just the way it did it. I mean you wouldn't
you wouldn't normally expect the sound to come out of that.
But the way it cupped its hands, I mean, I

(33:24):
guess that's the way it does it.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
I'm looking at Google Earth right now and I found
Pine Creek Cookhouse. But it doesn't look like it's a
mile from the fifteen Highway.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
No, it's definitely one point one miles back then, So
I mean, I haven't this is nineteen ninety nine, so.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Okay, so maybe maybe if this highway is new or
something like that, because it looks like there's a road that.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Goes up to it at this point, could have changed.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
But uh, where do you at Castle Creek trailhead?

Speaker 1 (33:47):
By any chance that rings a bell? But I don't
know exactly. I mean, I mean, this is a long
time ago. It's a long time ago.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
It is that this is you know, like literally what
thirty one?

Speaker 1 (33:56):
I mean, the whole this entire conversation came about because
I asked Matt Preuit, you know, hey, or are there
any no one ever talks about sasquatches in Colorado? And
uh yeah, I mean I guess, I mean maybe it's
not that common, but I saw one, and so I thought,

(34:18):
there's got to be. I can't be the only guy
who's seen one. It's not possible. There's no way as possible.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
No, no, either. You know, Colorado is big country, man,
There's a lot of country, and they're not a ton
of people out there in that country. So there's that
contributes to there's no lack of reports from Colorado, but
there are fewer there than lots of other states where
people in humans.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Which surprises me a lot, because I mean, I mean
it's it's teeming with it's squatchy as hell. Oh yeah,
I mean you've got the trees, you've got rivers, you've
got fish, I mean, deer everywhere. I mean, it's just
made for that. Now, what was that?

Speaker 2 (34:57):
What was that run run back to your car? Like,
what was going through your head at the time?

Speaker 1 (35:02):
Hall ass? I mean That's pretty much what I was thinking, like, okay.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
We're sasquatches even on your radar before this absolute zero. No,
just just I'm sure, sure you've heard a big foot.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
I certainly I know what a bigfoot is.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
You just thought it was all hogwash.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
I wouldn't say I was plus or minus on that,
but I wasn't concerned with it. When you live in Colorado,
I mean, uh, you're your biggest fear is a mountain lion,
because they're they're really they're dangerous. You know, blackberries. I've
been nosed to those of the black bear, literally knows
to those of the black bear, and and they're not
they're not a problem. I mean I went out one time.

(35:43):
I was in my underwear and it was early in
the morning. I'm probably not supposed to say this on
the show, but I'm going to say it. So I
was just trying to take my trash out and my
German shepherd who always comes out with me, just set
this one out and he's and I thought, in hindsight,
he's like, yeah, something waiting on you. Yeah, you'll get

(36:03):
it there. Yeah. So I went to hung a left
out of my door, and that's right where my trash
can is and then I picked up the lid, and
then the bear stood up next to it, on the
opposite side of me, and we were probably i don't know,
eighteen inches apart or something like that, and the bear

(36:25):
hauled ass and I quickly retreated back to my home. Yeah, sure,
because I didn't see that coming either. It's just just
just a random moment, just a random moment in your life.
You know that you.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Have stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff
and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages. Now,
I hope you don't mind be saying this, but you
were a little concerned about coming on the podcast. You
didn't want to be made fun of, because.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
I don't want to be made fun I've told the
story to people, and you know, people want to make
you sound like you're crazy.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
That's what I wanted to ask you, like, how was
the really who did you tell first, and how did
they react? And what's been this what's been your experience
being a witness ever since?

Speaker 1 (37:13):
It took me years to really tell anyone that was
of importance because I just try to digest that, Like,
I mean, all right, so remember this, like I've got
to get back to this car. I got to get
in this car and drive these people home.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Right, they're all waiting for you down there. I forgot
about that.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Yeah, And I'm driving them back to town and one
of one of the girls, her name was Shari, and
she says, you find your case. Said yep, that's all
I said. It's all I said for like ten minutes straight, like,
I just hopped in the car, drove down valley and

(37:55):
back to Aspen to drop them off. And you know,
one of the girls it was with us, her name
was Julie, and uh, anyway, she was there and she's like,
anyone want to have a drink? Is like absolutely yes,
keep them going, absolutely yes. Does it come with a
pair of extra underwear? Yeah, because used both. Yeah. At

(38:16):
that point in the answer to your question, you know
my story is pretty boring.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
No, it's not. No, Like, I don't know if you're
listening to the same story I'm listening to. This is great. Yeah,
this is fantastic. You saw it up close, You saw
it do cool things at a cool place that has
probably ought not to have been and it got caught.
This is fantastic, And I totally understand your your hesitation
to sharing because you don't want to be heckled. Because,
as you told me before we started recording, I'm just

(38:44):
telling the truth the way I experienced.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
It, and that's it, and that's all you're gonna get. Yeah,
that's all we ever asked for. I'm talking to you
online because it's important to me to tell the truth.
And what I'm trying to say with this is I
just want to move the needle forward a little bit
because the next person who sees it, and there's probably

(39:08):
been hundreds and thousands of people who've seen them, they
won't come up. They won't say it because they get ridiculed,
they get made fun of in their little small town
or whatever.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
You know.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Fast forward like twenty years from now, no problem. All
the photos are going to come out of the woodshed.
Everyone's got an uncle that had one, you know, But
right now, nobody's willing to go on the record.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yeah. How has it changed your life having this experience?
Not just like being ridkilled by your friends and you know,
little minded folks that don't want to believe what you're saying,
but has it changed you and your outlook on things
or your relationships with the Wilder People or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Well that's a big question there, Cliff. But yeah, I
mean I mean for me personally, I like to camp,
I like to hike, I like to fish. Nothing of
that is changed. It's never going to happen twice say that.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
You say that, Well, I don't know, man. There's people
have been struck by lightning more than a dozen times,
and I mean by lightning, not big boots. You know,
it can happen. I know, I know several multiple time witnesses.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
It could happen. Again, Bubo's not online, so maybe it's
not going to happen.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
So well, Bubo's got his own by lightning curse.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
You know. Yeah, I would say in my life hadn't
changed much. I mean, I'm just I've always just been
genuine person that I am. And it works for you,
it doesn't. I mean, frankly, y'all have been really cool
about making me comfortable having this conversation, because it's not
an easy conversation to have. When you when you have

(40:43):
a conversation with somebody and you can express yourself and
not be judged, that that's meaningful to me. So that's
important to me. So I want to give you some props.
I'm to give some big old, big old dabs on
that so.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Well, as I told you before we started recording, like,
I'm an honest you know, and I therefore I assume
everybody else kind of is too, you know. And I
sure I get I make mistakes that way. People do
lie to me, and I believe them, But I think
that says more about them than it does me, honestly,
you know. And and I and if I'm just open
and honest with people, I would hope they're the same
with me. And I think I think you're being I'm

(41:19):
confident you're being honest with me. I have no problems
with that at all. And I hope that that comes
through in my attitude when I speak to Wiks.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
It certainly does.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
It certainly does, Yeah, because I know they're real. I
know they're real. So yeah, just tell me what you
saw on Let's let's learn about learn a little bit
more about him, is my thought.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
And for me, you know, it's not like I'm looking
for validation because I've already seen it, you know, I mean,
you know, And that's where you know, I really enjoyed
my conversation with David illis. Uh, I'm going to reference
him a lot because I really respect him a lot.
He deserves it.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
He's a sweetheart.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
I love that guy. He's a good dude.

Speaker 9 (41:53):
And uh and uh you know he's seen him and uh,
you know, in having a conversation with him, I mean,
he'd be the best psychiatrist you could ever ask for.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Just a good, good human being and good soul.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
So have you taken an interest to the subject now
or you're like reading books and watching shows and like
listen to the podcasts.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Always say, I'm not a bigfooter, but uh, you know,
I mean trade but I mean I'd like to get
more into it. But I don't want to misrepresent myself too,
because you know, my encounter was just by chance, absolutely
happenstance chance And uh you know, I mean you could

(42:36):
be the guy who studies everything out of the gate
and and never never come in contact because they're few
and far between. I just happened to run into into
that moment.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
The vast majority of witnesses are just are people just
like you, you know, who accidentally saw something they never expected.
And there are you know, I know a little bit
about bigfoots. I know a lot about the subject, a
little bit about the animals. I don't know if I'm
expert or not.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
But well, you're certainly more expertise than me.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
I certainly have a passion for the subject.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
Yeah, and y'll have been doing y'all have been doing
it for a long time too, So I feel like
I'm sort of cutting in line, so to speak.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Cutting in line. I love the way you talk, man.
You have some really great things to say, you know,
blocked out the moon or the sun. I love your stuff,
and you have away with words and it's hilarious. I
love it. You paint a really good picture.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
Yeah. Well, I mean hopefully I related everything I could say.
I mean, if you have any other questions, you're certainly
welcome to reach out.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
I think you did a great job, man, I mean,
it's just fantastic. You got the totally serendipitous events where you, oh, man,
my keys dropped that you walked up and you found
your keys, which is a good thing, of course, and
a sasquatch happened to be there. You had this momentary standoff.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
It was a yet but moment from God.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
Yeah, like, holy smokes, right.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
I'm going to give you one and enridge.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
You one exactly, I fold and then you folded, and
then you turned and ran tail down the mountain, hop
back in cars.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Face planet three times exactly, three times in the snow.
I came up with snow on my face like some
idiot running from the wind with keys until.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
I'm sure the Big Foy was laughing at you all
the way. It probably probably clapping at your your your
performance all the way.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
It was probably was like, watch this thing, let's let's
wind him up, let's see what he can got.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Well, that was fantastic. I love the story. You have
such a way with words. You're and you can just
I love the way you presented everything. That's just the
way it is.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Man.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
There's the whole attitude of you with the entire evening, like, hey,
this is it. I don't know, that's it. That's what
I saw. Take it or leave it, and I'll take it. Man.
It was great. It was a wonderful report. Super cool.
I've been taking notes the entire time. I'm adding to
this to my my database, so you're gonna be added
on to the twelve or fifteen hundred reports I have
on my database, my Colorado files. A little light to

(45:04):
be honest with you, So thank you for helping me
with that. And you're just a fantastic guest. I don't
know how you feel about it. In a way I care,
in a way I don't because I know you're a
fantastic guest. I hope you agree with me. And if
you don't, sorry, people are gonna love this episode.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
And I have a way way wards. You do you do?
You do well?

Speaker 2 (45:23):
You know what? I also straight? I also shoot straight.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
I appreciate that, you know. I hope we have a
chance one day to shake hands as some boy. That'd
be cool.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
That'd be great, That'd be great. I've got I got
a couple of jobs in Tennessee. I'm gonna be out
there late in the year.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
Well, I'll be there.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
I'll show up, all right. So yeah, hopefully next week
we'll be back with Bobo and Pierce. Thank you so
much for coming on the show. I'm sorry Bobo could
be here too, but I'm glad I was. You have
an amazing story and I think all of our listeners
are going to really enjoy this one. So thank you
so much for your time. So okay, everybody, big Foot
and Beyond land out there all my Squatch gteer friends,
my bfs, my big Foot and Beyond friends. Thank you

(46:00):
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