Ep. 302 - Q&A - February, 2025

Speaker 1 (00:02):
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With Cliff and Bubo.

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And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Hello Cliff, Hello Bobo. How are you doing, sir?

Speaker 5 (00:34):
Pretty good about how's it going with you?

Speaker 2 (00:36):
All right? Just kind of dealing with adult drums of
a winner. This is the second week in a row
that I have not been out to the woods. I
don't want to walk around in the snow and not
say it just stows a bum out man. Yeah, you
can take the boy out of California, but you can't
take the California out of the Boy, I suppose.

Speaker 5 (00:51):
So you can't go like down like five hundred feet somewhere, and.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
I want to go to the spots that I know
or produce. Right right, there's probably everything down loads, got
people on it. I'm sure snow, it's not into the
snow and cold. I'm ready for spring, man, I'm ready
for spring, getting out there in the muddy roads and
walking around and find them some Sasquatch friends and getting
all squatchy man.

Speaker 5 (01:09):
Can't wait, it's coming, It's coming. I guess we got
our few and A today.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, yeah, Well, so this is our normal sort of
monthly Q and A thing that we do. Of course,
we're taking questions from you, our listening audience, and if
you want to submit a question, the best way to
do it, of course, is go to that link that
Matt Prout will put in the show notes, which is
basically our website, and you can push the contact button
and send us a question. Or if you're really really
cool or exceptionally cool, I suppose you can leave us

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a voicemail because there's that option on the website as well,
bigfit Beyond podcast dot com, and you can actually talk
to us and well, we're not going to answer you
because we're not on the phone with you, but you
can leave a message for us on the voicemail and
then maybe you can hear your voice on BIGU and
Beyond with the Cliff and Bobo and Matt. Just like
this first question that's going to come up right now,

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Matt hit.

Speaker 6 (01:58):
It and actually this one's not a quick question, and
it was a nice compliment, but who brought a smile
to my face? And so I thought I'd bring a
smile to you guys too, so we'll put it here
for the audience.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
Hi, clever brother, my name's James rob New Orleans and Louisiana.
We don't have a sash March down here, but we've
definitely got the work, so we've got that going for us.
I just want to reach out and say thanks to
you guys, because you guys actually made me feel less
crazy when I found your show. You guys were on
and loved it made me feel like this a lot

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more other people out there who do believe and actually
want to believe and improve the existence.

Speaker 6 (02:33):
Of this animal.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
I think the most important thing to remember is we're
all great ages and if there's another member of the
family tree World, welcome to the family. Just makes the
Thanksgiving dinner even better. I think your show's brilliant. I
love the podcast keeps me entertained and listening from working
to home and home to work each day of my
journey so far, I do enjoy listen to you guys.

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You bring a very logical and cynsical argument to the
whole Nomanna and I just want you guys and find
it because they give down the groundwork and you've done
the legwork, and thanks a lot for your time. I
appreciate the show, and I'll keep listening. As Bobo says,
keep it squatchy, speak to you later.

Speaker 5 (03:13):
But that's Cloit New Orleans accident accent, there is it.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Well, yeah, let me start right away, James by correcting you.
There are sasquatches down there.

Speaker 5 (03:24):
There are.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
There are absolutely sasquatches in Louisiana. Bobo saw one there
I believe.

Speaker 5 (03:28):
Oh yeah I did, I did. It was right on
the border.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yep, yep, yes, yeah, So there are sasquatches there, so
don't write off those woods quite yet. So that's I
think the first comment. But thank you so much for
the kind words. Really appreciate it. Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 6 (03:41):
You can go back and listen to the episode with
Danny from Louisiana. If you want to hear about Bobo siding,
go back in our old episodes and find the one
that says Danny from Louisiana and you'll get a kick
out of Bobo's story.

Speaker 5 (03:52):
But you don't. Got our six year anniversary coming.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Up in May, I think, right May May fifth.

Speaker 5 (03:57):
Yeah, it's only three months or whatever, but it's coming up.

Speaker 6 (04:01):
Well, we started recording in January February, so for us
it's been six years, but for the audience, yeah, it'll
be Cinco de Mayo is when we launched the first episode.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Oh and do you remember the good old days when
we're thirteen episodes ahead? Oh my goodness, I do what
a luxury? Now we're now we're zero ahead.

Speaker 5 (04:18):
Well, we got that. We've got a question or more
platitudes being a lot of honus.

Speaker 6 (04:23):
Here's a good question for you, Hi, Cliff, Matt and
sometimes Bobo.

Speaker 5 (04:28):
This is Barren.

Speaker 7 (04:29):
I'm a longtime fan, first time caller, fat Cliff. I
even met you in San Francisco once at an event
and you were even talking to Bobo on the phone. Anyway,
my question is, I know you guys are big fans
of books. You talk about all the books we should read,
but it's kind of hard to read a book while
on the treadmill. We're working out, and that's where I
like to watch a lot of videos. I was wondering

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if you had a list of videos or movies that
you like to watch or Sasquatch related. Anyway, keep up
the good work, and also, Bobo, i'man trying to get
a hold of you to see if you'd be interested
in a paid gig to Bluff Creek this July.

Speaker 5 (05:07):
Let me know. Thanks bye. Yeah, okay, I did see
that message I got. I gotta go back. I got
so much stuff to go through. Is that there a
fireball pass? So I got like thirteen fourteen hundred messages
or something like that. So I'm just going back to
trying to answer as many people as I can. It's
a task. But anyways, yeah, I'm in so yeah, I'll

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get back to that guy for sure within this week.
So it was did you have a question?

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Well yeah, yeah, yeah, A couple of things to say.
First of all, yeah, you must have been talking about
when we did that the thing at the Balbo Theater
in San Francisco. That's the only gig I can think
of in San Francisco itself that I've done in the
last ten years. That was a lot of That was
a lot of fun actually, And of course I was
probably talking to Bobo on the phone, because that's what
we do. In fact, we did. I used to talk
to Bobo so much on the phone we decided to
make a public and do a podcast about it.

Speaker 5 (05:58):
I remember that Cliff, you give me direction how to
get there and word to part. I was so blowed
out of that kind of because I was so epic. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Kai used to do that one, and Kai got really
into it for a while. Don't know what. I haven't
talked to Kay in a while, but he pops up
like every year or two, just out of the blue,
and it comes and graces his you know, our lives
with his presence and makes us all laugh for a
few moments and it completely disappears for the next eighteen
months or something like that. Love the guy. Yeah, But
as far as your question goes, he's saying that he
doesn't have a lot of time for books because he's

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always running on treadmills and he wants to know if
there's any movies that he can watch or whatever that
be informative on the treadmill. And my first answer is
what about books on tape?

Speaker 5 (06:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, books on tape. I'm going to go back to
books again if I can, just because books it's so
much more effort to bs in a book in my opinion.
You know, don't get me wrong. There's plenty of nonsense
books out there and terribly formatted ones, and some one's
of spelling errors, and some that people didn't even write
you know, either, you know, like a I wrote, or
ghostwriters wrote in all the other stuff, you know, And

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I don't mind the ghostwriting things as much. But there's
a lot of nonsense in books even nowadays. But i'd
say for the most part, stick with books, you know,
books on tape while you're on a treadmill or whatever
you're doing driving is a great way to use your time.
But if you're set on watching movies, I don't know
if I have anything for you.

Speaker 6 (07:17):
Well, he specifically said videos, and so I would direct
you to the North American Bigfoot Centers YouTube channel, which
I will link in the show notes.

Speaker 5 (07:25):
Gotcha.

Speaker 6 (07:25):
There's another technology too, like if you're not in a
position where you can like sit down and watch something
on a screen, but you want to take in information,
it's sort of like similar to the radio or audiobooks.
They're called podcasts, and I would highly recommend those. I
don't listen to any of those either, though, well I
listened to lots of them.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
You listen to this one like three times a week? Yes, No,
but there are I would say, you know, I love
a lot of the small town monsters documentaries. You know,
they cover a lot of cryptids, and so some of
those things, you know, I don't watch because I'm just
not as interested in the cryptid, but they make great content. Obviously,
once again, North American Bigfoot Center has great video content.

(08:02):
Sasquatch Archives, that's a great channel. But there's so many
great long form interviews with people like doctor Jeff melderm
or John binder Nagel that are on YouTube, or old
Grover Krantz lectures. I mean, there's still a lot of
good academic, scholarly content on YouTube. They're just not in
the form of like produced videos. They would either be

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long form interviews or public presentations, and so that's what
I would recommend if you're not listening to certain podcasts
or you know, I know you mentioned audiobooks. There's a
lot of great audiobooks that you can find on relevant subjects,
but there's not a whole lot of Sasquatch oriented audiobooks,
or at least not ones that I would recommend to
come to mind because a lot of the classics are
not in the audiobook format unfortunately. So now Meldrum's book is,

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but you know, Krantz Green a lot of the classics
are just not yet, unfortunately.

Speaker 6 (08:52):
I do. Someone texted me the other day to say
that Sanderson's Abominable Snowmen Legend Come to Life is on
audiobook now, and he said the arrator is pretty funny.
I guess it's like a real ery Dyke sounding British voice,
kind of like sa Anderson would have been. So I'll
have to go check that out. But if you have
Spotify Premium baron, there's tons of audio books there that
you can dig into.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah, there you go. Yeah, I say, I was thinking movies, like,
I don't know if I want to watch movies, Like
what were you going to learn from anything outside of
the documentary? And the best Some of the best documentaries
are getting so old now that the information's kind of dated,
you know.

Speaker 6 (09:26):
Yeah, those are still my favorite ones, like Mysterious Monsters, Bigfoot,
Man or Beast, like all those old classics are still
my absolute favorite. Pickfoot documentaries.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't watch anything. I really don't.
I just don't have the time and I don't have
the interest. You know. It's not like I'm not interested
in the subject, but at the same time, I'm out
there doing it. You know, like, dude, tennis players watch
movies about other people playing tennis. I don't know, maybe
they do.

Speaker 5 (09:51):
I have no idea. Yeah, i'd recommend something like I'll
get into something like I'm like, oh, this is like
I'll listen like a cool episode or something. Then I'll
get it another one and I'm like, I'll tell you one,
like listen to this one. And then it's like I
heard some more. I should have. I should have listened
to some more before I recommended it.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
I do love the Sasquatch archives though.

Speaker 5 (10:08):
Yeah, it sounds like archives. I always recommend that we're
missing some channels. I know Charlie Raymond has some good
stuff for Kentucky Bigfoot. Who else Russ Jones post stuff,
but that's not really He's not like posting that much.
But what like Twitter stuff. The guy that was with
the Bluff Creek project guys, he puts up some pretty
decent stuff.

Speaker 6 (10:29):
Oh Jonathan Easley, Yeah, yeah, he does good stuff as well.

Speaker 5 (10:33):
Yeah. Yeah, And I know we're I feel bad for
anyone listening that we're skipping your sorde about that.

Speaker 8 (10:40):
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
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See website for full details and important safety information. And
so here is the last of the voicemails before we
move on to the written questions.

Speaker 5 (12:24):
Hey, Cliff, Bobo, and Matt.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
I love the show. This is Dale from Indiana.

Speaker 9 (12:29):
I was just wondering if there's ever been like a
handprint or a footprint found made in blood from like
a kill site.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Love the show, guys, keep it up awesome, have a
good one.

Speaker 5 (12:43):
Thanks By. There's the screwboard from this kind of a print,
sort of that screwboard snow Grove Lake where they got
the original gena something they tried for a legimate science
Monster quest ros Monster Quest. Yeah that's the one I
know of.

Speaker 6 (12:58):
Yeah, that's the only physical one I know. I've heard
a lot of stories, one in particular that was a
very compelling story, but no photos.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
No.

Speaker 6 (13:06):
It supposedly happened in the eighties.

Speaker 5 (13:07):
What was it.

Speaker 6 (13:09):
There was a gentleman who a friend of mine interviewed
the witness, and this was in Maryland, and the guy
was out raccoon hunting in a place that was sort
of like the area dump. It was a wild wooded area,
but people would dump like furniture and dead appliances and
things like that out there. So he was out coon hunting.
His dogs took off. He heard him going nuts. He

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found them at the base of a tree, and he
shined the light up in the tree and there was
a branch sticking out horizontally parallel to the ground, about
six feet off the ground. And he said, standing on
that branch was a sasquatch and it was real close
to the trunk, and it had one hand on the
trunk of the tree, and when the guy shined the
light at it, it put the free hand up above
its eyes. And he said that when he hit it

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with the light, you know, it put its hand over
its eyes. And the dogs were going nuts, and the
guy was kind of freaking out, taking in the whole scene,
and so he just screamed like shut up to the
dogs to get him to stop barking. He said what
he did. Interestingly, the sasquatch urinated all over itself, like
he had startled it or frightened it or something. And
then it leapt down and took off up the slope
and the dogs were chasing it. And he said he

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was trying to follow the dogs up and he heard
this crashing sound in this big, you know, dead washing
machine came crashing down the hill, like an appliance that
was dumped out there. And he came home and told
his dad the story, and his dad didn't believe him,
you know, oh, you must have seen a bear or something.
And so he claimed he went out there with his
dad the next day and showed him that washing machine

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and there was a big bloody handprint on it where
either they, you know, interacted with something dead, or maybe
the dogs had bitten it and it was bleeding or something.
But but again I didn't get to talk to the witness.
It was a friend of mine who did. But that
story is always stuck with me.

Speaker 5 (14:51):
That is, that was sick with its that's pretty gnarly.
I can just imagine that.

Speaker 6 (14:56):
Yeah, especially the detail about it, like urinating almost in
voluntary early, like it was scared when the guys shouted
really loud. Yeah, apparently like hurled this washing machine like
a closed washing machine down the hill, or shoved it
down the hill or something.

Speaker 5 (15:10):
I said. If there's chunk around like a junk yard,
they love those. They love that. Squatches love debris to
try us.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Indeed, I have never heard of such a thing. You know,
you think it would happen every once in a while,
But then again, I don't have a ton of reports
of sasquatch eating live or you animals or recently dead animals,
So you would think that there'd be more around there,
especially if some people I don't I personally don't think this.
But if they lean so heavily towards carnivorous habits, you

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think there'd be some more of that stuff around. But
I think they tend towards plant diets with and augmenting
it with meat to a lot. But you know, if
there is only going after deer, as people say, then
you think there'll be a lot more of it.

Speaker 6 (15:52):
But I just have not heard it.

Speaker 5 (15:52):
So, yeah, some squatches on paleo diets, some vegetarian squatches.
You know, they're in the gamut. They're just regular people.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
Now, prout, we can move on to the written questions.

Speaker 6 (16:04):
So here is the first question.

Speaker 5 (16:07):
This one comes from Quirky Tait. Hey, guys, longtime listener
and loyal member of the Royal Order of Honorary Pigeons.
I remember years ago some people took a mounted African
line to the planes of Africa to see what real
lines might do. I know, did they investigate, but they
even attacked it. I was curious if you have thought
of leaving Murphy or reasonable facimally outside me with a

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pheromoh hip or camera, just see what the neighbors might do.
We've talked about it a ton. I don't know if
anyone's ever left a really good one like that out there.
I mean we've been like a ply with cutouts and
stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
But Tom Shade did something like that. He found a
very very cheap fur coat in I believe, at thrift
store somewhere, and he bought it and put it on
a mannequin and like left it out there, and I
think it went ignored for a while, and then eventually
they tore the crap out of it. He thinks they
are the ones responsible.

Speaker 5 (16:59):
Who knows what.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Actually did it? We just don't know. But I believe
it was tossed about and you know, and scattered and
all that other stuff. So I'd have to get verification
from Tom Shada to see if I'm correct on that.
That's but that's what my memory is telling me. But
you know how my memory is, it's not always one
hundred percent.

Speaker 5 (17:14):
So we know, we know it didn't fool that they
throw it apart. It was just kind of like, get
this damn thing out of here. Like it was like
they thought, we're beating up a fellow of sasquatch takeing
our territory. Sure, it was just annoyance.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah, yeah, And trust me, if Murphy didn't cost thousands
of dollars and was easy to carry around, I'd be
happy to leave it in the woods for a couple
of days. But that would be foolish of me.

Speaker 5 (17:35):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (17:36):
I think I think the only way you could fool
is if you laid it on the ground in a
position like it had expired, Because I think if they
saw one just being static and inanimate for a length
of time, they'd know that something was up. You know,
I think they would be intelligent enough to be suspicious
of that. But I think if it looked like one
laying face down on the ground, they might come investigate.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
But you know what might be kind of fun to
do is going big footing dressed as a sasquatch, you know,
doing your thing, walking in small groups on trails he
had no lights or anything like that, and doing the
knocking and whooping and seeing what that kind of thing illicits.
I'm not sure if anyone's ever tried that.

Speaker 5 (18:13):
We've done that?

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Have we?

Speaker 5 (18:15):
I have not? Yeah? Yeah, up in the.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Road woods dressed as sasquatches.

Speaker 5 (18:20):
Yeah, I've done the muggy seats a couple of times
where we did Gillie suits because we did it a
national park, because you're not gonna get shot in the
national park. No, it's hunting, there's no guns. Geat me careful.
I mean, there's plenty of places I do it like,
not worried about it, but doesn't seem to have worked
all that great so far for people I know that
have tried it. I've only had one person that said,
where the sasquatch got excited and it kind of fooled them.

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It sounded like there are something at all that sound
like it. Just get a little more worked up. It's
the same thing. They stay out of the way, they
stay hidden. They might throw some pebbles or something and
break some branches, but nothing really out of the ordinary.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
I've never heard of anybody doing that that's interesting. I
could see how like one or two people walking on trails,
just hiking in the dark dress of sasquatches might come
up with something interesting eventually. And of course the problem
with that is that you just don't know if the
sasquatch is there. They are very rare, and they're not
all over the place. They're not always watching you. Despite
what a lot of people say and all that sort
of stuff, they're just usually not there.

Speaker 5 (19:18):
Is the fact of the matter. The one we had
had dimming lights. We had two little red diode lights
for eyes. You get dim, right and dim.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Was that that cardboard cutout we tried in Virginia.

Speaker 5 (19:29):
That was the plywood Oh okay, right right, let'men worned
a couple of times. I worred a few times. There's
probably no biglits around anyways, who knows. We got no
reaction to the discernible at least you'd be warm. Yeah, yeah,
that's true. Yeah, we've thought about it. We've definitely thought
about it. We did great. If you have some big
like the Mountain from Game of Thrones that came with

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a you know, good squatch costume because they look a
lot more believable. Well there's little ones, yeah, true that.

Speaker 8 (19:59):
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Bobo will be right back after these messages.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Well, let's go on the next question.

Speaker 5 (20:11):
Then.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
This is from Dennis Martin and he asks it seems
that there are a bunch of Bigfoot festivals popping up
all over the country nowadays. If you had time and
the means for three a year, which would you go
to as a patron not a presenter? Thanks and love
the podcast, especially Bobo's story Time. That should be a
book in itself.

Speaker 5 (20:34):
The festivals, man, I love a lot of I like
almost all of it. Really dig cryptod cons always a
top dog for me. Squatch Fest up in Washington, you
guys just did.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah, you got to look at who's speaking. And also
there's different flavors of these things too that you have
to consider. Like there's the festivals. You know, if you're
gonna go do a festival one, I'd go do Hawking
Hills or something like that because but then they have
speakers too. But that's more of a family event that
you could just go to and it's huge, like tens
of thousands of people show over every year. If you're
talking just speakers, I'm with Bobo's squatch Fest and Cryptid

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Pawn and the Ohio Conference always knocks it out of
the park. Yeah, I mean those are the ones that
off the top of the.

Speaker 6 (21:16):
I think he means conferences like any sort of Bigfoot
event at all. I don't think he's differentiating between conferences
and festivals. That's how I would break it up. It's like,
if I wanted to go see speakers and interact with them,
I would choose the Ohio Conference because it's an intimate setting.
Everyone's under one roof, it's very speaker oriented, there's great
vendors there. It's small, kind of a you know, first come,

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first serve because it's a small number of tickets, so
it's a little more exclusive in that way. If I
wanted to go to a festival, yeah, there's a lot
of those around that are great like Cliff mentioned Hawking Hills,
or like the Smoky Mountain Festival in Townshend. In terms
of like a big conference, I think Marty and Nicky
Pippen organized excellent conferences, whether that's the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot
Conference with the Great Florida Bigfoot Conference. So that's the

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three sort of styles I would pitch.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
You can't really go wrong with any of the two
or three Tennessee festivals either. There's two or three of
them out there, and all of them are pretty good,
you know, as far as big festivals go, you know,
booths and families and all that stuff.

Speaker 5 (22:17):
Yeah, I mean, if you're looking to get a bunch
of bigfoot swag, those ones are great. An Ohio conference
is good for speakers and schwag and or you know,
merchandise Bigfoot related paraphernalia. Yeah, Ohio has got it all.
But yeah, Marty and Nicky's they're gather yeah, gatherup events.
The ones they put on Smoking Mountains in Florida, those
are top notch for the big ones. And yeah, I

(22:41):
love the Kentucky I mean, god, yeah, Tennessee's got some
big anythink Lea and gender is always really fun, really good.

Speaker 6 (22:47):
Yeah, Crypto Con kind of has the same feel as
Ohio because everyone's under the same roof, so it's a
real social event for multiple days, and there's amazing vendors there,
and you know, a lot of speakers. They cover a
whole lot of subject matter too, so it's not just
sasquat related speakers.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
A couple of things worth mentioning though, is that I'm
pretty excited about two particular festivals this year. I happen
to be speaking at both of them. That's why I'm
aware of them. One is coming up real shortly here
in April. I think it's on April eleventh or that weekend,
whatever the weekend around the eleventh is, and it's the
Mountain hood Sasquatch Festival. It's a brand new one. It's
never been done before. But you know, this part of

(23:25):
the country doesn't have a lot really. I mean there's
a couple here and there. There's a Squatch Fest is
the big one of course, has in January. There's the
Ocean Shores thing. Whenever that is, I think it's usually
November or October or something like that. There's not a
whole lot out here, though, considering it's a Pacific Northwest.
So these folks are getting together one in April, which

(23:46):
is a cool time of year to be up here
because spring's in full forest and all the trees are blooming.
It is beautiful up here that time of year. It's
going to be a little wet, probably because it's a
Pacific Northwest cptral, but it's up on Mountain Hood. It's
on Mount Hood itself, so that's kind of exciting thing
because this is a super squatchy area, of course. And
I know that the speaker lineup this year is pretty great.

(24:07):
And it's not because I'm on it, you know, like
I'm excited to go herebody else speaks because it's Doctor
Meldrum I'm speaking, of course, and Mark Mercel is speaking
and Michael Freeman. You can't ask for a better lineup
for speakers than those four, I think, you know. And
then we're all friends and it's going to be great.
And there's another one that I'm looking forward to in
the fall. God, I think it's September. I'll get the dates,

(24:30):
and you know what, it gets a little bit closer,
I'll be sharing with people. It's out in New York,
though it's in New York and there, you know, so
it's not all the way up in Whitehall, and it's
not all the way down in like the city either,
as somewhere between from what I understand. And I know
that the organizer for the IHAO Bigfoot Conference is helping
out with that one, so it's going to be a
very well run event, and I'm looking forward to that

(24:52):
one too. And I know I know doctor Meldrum's on
that one, and I'm on that one, and I think
they have another local person representing, but I don't know
who that is. I forget and I don't know, but
when it gets closer, I can share a little more
about that.

Speaker 6 (25:04):
Yeah, that's good to clarify because we've mentioned in a
few times, but we've gotten a lot of emails and
people asking for the details. So I've been responding to
those one at a time, saying, well, it's a new festival,
so they don't have a website or social media presence yet,
and as soon as those things are launched, they'll be
put in the show notes and talked about more in depth,
so folks don't email me.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Narrowing it down to three is kind of hard, because
you know, there's a lot of good ones, and it
depends what you're looking for. It really depends what you're
looking for. Some people go to one of these outdoor
festival things and aren't happy because they brought their their
notepad and they want to sit inside and take notes
and learn stuff. And sometimes the other is true, like
people think, oh, close a boring speaker because blah blah
blah or whatever, because all he talks about is bigfoot

(25:44):
and I want to see chochkeys.

Speaker 5 (25:45):
Para CON's cool up in Michigan. It's all indoors and
that big casino.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Although to be fair, that one isn't really a bigfoot
oriented at all. In fact, when I'm speaking up there,
like I feel like I'm the outcast because I'm up
there talking about you know, field biology a bigfoot, and
everybody's going like, but don't they talk to you in
your head? And are paranormal? Aren't they interdimensional? And it's
like no, no, And then like I feel like I
let the air out of the room every time I'm there.

Speaker 5 (26:11):
So I went there twice and it was like the
bick red for Lyle. There's you know, it's like half
bigfoot people. I guess they went way more of the
paranormal is that sells more tickets.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Oh yeah, yeah. In fact, I'm not going to tell
you who it is, but what there there is a
paranormal bigfooter who told me that they went paranormal because
they have more money. It's like, oh, that's not wow,
that's not good. That's not good for the subject. It's
not the only reason that this person went paranormal. But
you know, that's you say, oh, there's just so much
more money in the UFO community or whatever. So it's like, well,

(26:45):
I guess if you're into it, as long as you're
into it, as long as you're being honest to yourself
about it and that you really care about the subject,
I don't really care what you do, you know, honestly.
But it's the posers that boil my kurds agree, Yeah, all.

Speaker 5 (26:58):
Right, well that's yeah. So there's there's there's a lot
of good festivals and conferences out there. Estes Park's another
fun one.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Oh I'm done that one this year too. Actually, yeah,
that's three in a row I'm gonna do. I mean
the Mountain Hood Festival. Then the following weekend I'm in
Estes Park, Colorado, which is beautiful. It's just a beautiful
It's an outdoor festival, and it snowed last year from
what I understand, so I mean they do it anyway, though,
I guess you're tough sort of folks living at you know,
eight thousand feet into the snow and whatever else. But

(27:26):
it's a beautiful little town and super fun. I love
that festival. I've I've only done it once. It was
two or three years ago, maybe four, I don't remember.
But I'm looking forward to that one. And then of
course the week after that, which brings us into the
first weekend of May, I'll be at the Ohio Bigfoot
Conference once again. So I keep going back to that one,
so I must love it.

Speaker 5 (27:45):
What I did at Estes Park, it was the high
was twenty six degrees that day. It was outdoors, and
it was a little bit of wind blowing. It was
pretty brutal.

Speaker 6 (27:52):
Ouch ouch.

Speaker 5 (27:54):
It was beautiful. It was fun.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yeah, yeah, I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward
to all three of those events. I'm sure after three
gigs in three weeks, I won't be looking forward to
any other ones for a little while until I can rest.

Speaker 6 (28:08):
We get these kind of questions, surprisingly often. Given the
fact that we discussed this a lot, I usually don't
throw them in there, but since we do, get him
off and I figured it'd be good to address one.

Speaker 5 (28:17):
This is some Tyler McMahon, Hi, Cliff, and Bobo. I
wanted to ask if you guys were still in contact
with Matt Renee Greetings from the UK. I haven't talked
to him either, one of them months since last summer.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah, it's been less than that for me. I mean,
Renee was at Cryptocon in November. I think I've gotten
a text from her since November. But in general, it
seems that the habit, the pattern that has developed is
that I probably have some sort of contact, whether speak
to her on the phone for twenty thirty minutes or
texting or something with Renee every two to four or

(28:54):
five six months somewhere in there.

Speaker 5 (28:56):
You know.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Sometimes it's more frequent, sometimes it's more Yeah, but something
something like that. Every couple of months, it seems that
I'm in contact with Renee, just catching up or something
like that. Matt is a little bit more often because
Matt and I talk about bigfoot stuff, you know, Renee's
I just talked about like whatever, you know, whatever's going on.
But with Matt it's usually bigfoot stuff. He'll call me say, hey,
there's a siding up here, can you want to check
it out? Or you want it? Or this or that

(29:18):
or his son lives up here. Now Leo, moneymaker lives
up here. So I've just played with Leo, played some
music last week with Leo. So you know, I check
in with Matt every once in a while. And although
I have to admit this is probably the longest it's
been since I've spoken to Matt in quite a while.
I bet I haven't spoken to Matt since maybe around

(29:39):
Christmas time or something like that, you know, because it's
not really Christmas without a money maker in your life,
I guess. But yeah, so I guess it's kind of
a long I guess I Mat a phone call. That's
what it comes down to, too.

Speaker 5 (29:51):
He oes we want.

Speaker 6 (29:53):
Yeah, but yeah, we do get those kind of questions often,
even though I know if someone were listening to all
the episodes, you know there's there's updates from both of
you about Matt and Renee fairly frequently, but it's good
to just answer it in the question there.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
And we're always getting new listeners as well, so I
think it's good to revisit some of these questions that
keep popping up.

Speaker 5 (30:10):
Right. Oh.

Speaker 6 (30:11):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
The next question here comes from Denny s. And his
question is do you have any updates on the study
being done by Derby or cut any idea when the
study will be published?

Speaker 5 (30:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah, Actually, I'm in contact with Darby fairly frequently. Again,
it's been a little while for me now, I think
it's been two weeks since I've spoken to Derby, But
I speak to Derby rather regularly about a couple of
different things that are going on. But just to clarify,
it's not a study, it's a lot of studies. It's
a lot of things going on, and Darby is very,
very tight looked about it, as well as he should be.

(30:46):
I know the stuff that I'm involved in personally, and
I know very little about anything else, and he likes
it that way, and I respect his privacy because he's
doing some high level stuff and he's got to be
extraordinarily conservative about it because if he does get positive
results and we can nail this thing down, everybody from
every different direction is going to call him a liar,

(31:08):
a hoax, or this and that and stuff. And he
has to have absolutely bulletproof evidence, and part of that
is NDA's and secrecy and all that sort of stuff.
But again, I do speak to Derby a fair amount,
and the last several times I've spoken to him, he
has brought it up himself. I didn't poke him at it.
He brought it up himself that he will be looking

(31:29):
for a time to come back on to Bigfoot and
belong to talk about updates and progress and things that
he is allowed to talk about. So we are his
first stop. This microphone right here is his first stop
when he is willing to say and when he's able
to share anything. And he says he is constantly barraged
by emails both good and bad and whatever else. And

(31:52):
science takes a long time, a very very long time
when done right. So I just like encourage the entire
Bigfoot community that is listening right now to hold your horses,
relax a bit, breathe deeply, get yourself a beer, you know,
take it easy. Things are happening, really cool things are happening.
I can absolutely promise you that it's just going to

(32:14):
take a while. It might take another year or two
or something like that. But Darby, again, I've been talking
to Darby since probably November about him coming back on
the show, and he keeps bringing it up to me,
so I know it's going to happen. Also, so while
we're talking about Darby, he is, from what I understand,
he's planning on being out here on the West coast.

(32:35):
So you can look forward to very likely having Darby
as a special presenter at the North American Bigfoot Center
when he's out here. We're kind of targeting July at
this point. You know, we'll see what his schedule actually
is because a lot of you know, everybody's got a schedule,
and most of the time it's out of our control, right,
but we're kind of talking maybe he'll be out there
out here in July, which is a glorious time to

(32:56):
be in the Pacific Northwest. Of course, so I look
forward to show in Darby some of my locations that
I've been working out there. He wants to see them,
he wants to see some prints in the ground, et cetera.
But yeah, as far as updates, the only stuff I
know is what I'm involved in. And if Darby's not
ready to talk about it, then I'm clearly not ready
to talk about it either, but I will say it's cool.

(33:17):
There's some really interesting stuff going on, and that's just
what I personally am involved in.

Speaker 5 (33:22):
You know.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
And I'm one of many many facets in the gym
that is this bigfoot study right now. And also while
I'm talking about this, I might as well clarify some
more stuff. Darby is not a scientist. I think everybody
needs to know that. He has a degree I think
in library science. I guess that's a science, you know,
you know. But at the same time, that's not his
job description here. He's not doing the analyses. He is.

(33:46):
His job description literally is interdisciplinary project coordinator. He gets
this department to talk to that department that they usually
don't talk back and forth between, right and say, hey,
there's a thing. I think you have some skills that
might benefit this thing I have, and you over here
in this department you also have things that might be

(34:07):
useful for this particular thing, this bigfoot thing, or what
this unidentified sample. And he gets them to start talking
back and forth, and he gets scientists, real scientists who
have put very very niche skills to say, hey, that
sounds interesting. I'd like to try my skill set at that,
and that's what Darby is doing. He's not doing the analyses,
he's not doing all that. He is getting people to

(34:30):
talk to each other and organizing it all.

Speaker 6 (34:33):
He's like Nick Furry to the Avengers.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
I said, yeah, exact, there you go, there you go.
And this isn't by the way, this also isn't the
only project that he's doing. You know, the university isn't
hiring just for this one thing. He has a fair
number or at least a small number. I don't know how
many projects of this size he can anybody can swallow, right,
but he has a fair number of other projects that
are not in any way related to this, to biology

(34:58):
or you know, identifying samples or any He's got a
lot on his plate. And this bigfoot thing, even though
I mean I think it's by far the most interesting,
I think he's very very interested in it as well.
That's just one of several meals on his plates right now.
So patience is what I would recommend everybody. I mean,
who's going to be more excited about hearing than than

(35:18):
like Bobo madd Andi, Right, and we're just hanging out waiting,
So everybody else can hang out and wait too, even
if even if he has samples of yours, And I
know that several people out there listening have sent samples
in because I've spoken to you about it. It relax,
it's cool. Every sample will be addressed. Everybody will get
an answer. It just may not be in your timeline,

(35:39):
but that doesn't matter. Your timeline doesn't matter the scientific timeline,
the slow, methodical, conservative scientific timeline.

Speaker 5 (35:48):
At least two more years. Who knows, Well, that's what
Jarvis said. Yeah, I mean, befreaking like through definitives, gonna
be like two three years.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
We'll see, we'll see, man, who knows? I mean, I
know they were going to start testing some stuff in November.
I remember, And I don't know. I don't know where
or what or how or you know, if their hair
or blood or fair. I don't know anything about any
of that. But I know that there is some testing
going on in November, so I'm sure they probably have
a lease of preliminary results by now. But then what
Then you have to look at the preliminary results and say, well,

(36:19):
are these real or not? Are they true or what?
What does it show us? Then you have to test
that and you have to sample it and you have
to get other people to get them. It's a slow
it's an agonizingly slow project and process. So just everybody chill.
It's cool. But when Darby is ready, he promised us
he will come on here to talk about it with

(36:40):
you our listeners.

Speaker 8 (36:43):
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
We'll be right back after these messages.

Speaker 5 (36:55):
Got Grace Cruise. Has there been any reports of animals
bigfoot in the Caribbean or in Central America? I am
a fan of the podcast from the Island of pr
not the Caribbean, but in Central America of course. Yeah, Ecuador,
I mean Nicaragua, Belize still has them, Guatemala, Mexico, Southern Mexico,

(37:16):
Northern Mexico. Gotten about five reports from Costa Rica, but
I'm not sure about those. I don't really heard anything
out of Panama. Yeah, Making an Afraid. The guy from
Making an Afraid talks about it. He had him outside
his little sleeping hot at night, like repeatedly. He had
repeated encounters with it, even talked about it on the show.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
So yeah, yeah, there's a long history. And of course,
if they're in South America, which apparently they are. They
had to get there somehow, and it seems to me
that Central America is probably the best way.

Speaker 5 (37:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (37:43):
Yeah, I think one of the best collections of reports
from Central America is still in Ivan Sanderson's book, because
there's a very large section devoted to that, and there's
a lot of really good information in there too, which
is pretty funny considering that was nineteen sixty one and
there hasn't been a whole lot to add to that
since then, at least in print book form. But that's
a resource I would point grace too.

Speaker 5 (38:04):
I've said this before on the show, but when I
went down looking around there in Nicaragua, they all said
that they had a lot of them up until the
Contra Wars in the eighties, and that after that somebody
got blown up by mines and artillery and rocket far whatever.
Mostly they said land mines is what killed them all.

(38:25):
Mostly they hadn't found God, this was food fifteen twenty,
you know, this was twenty years ago. I was down
there last time doing that. It had been fifteen years
since they had any solid reports. In the meantime. The
people I spoke to with the mountains, so I don't know,
they're still there, and they might have came back in

(38:46):
maybe since the war's went over for quite a while.
But they still have animals blow up up like cows
and horses and whatever once in a while a person even
because there were so many land mines left out in
the hilt during the war that killed a lot lot
of wildlife.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
I've directly spoken to witnesses from southern Mexico like Chiappas
and Alisco and Michoacan and stuff in saying that they've
seen these things in the jungles. In fact, one of them, Bobo,
you were there. The guy who ran the taco truck
at wild Man Days out in Kentucky, he saw one
of these things, and he told me the story in Spanish,
and I caught most of it. You know. Basically, he
and his friends saw this thing at a distance. He

(39:22):
was seventeen years old. They ran after it, and he
said they had no chance of catching up to it.

Speaker 5 (39:28):
Of course, he told us where the cave was, where
it went into.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
I don't remember that part of it, but maybe I
don't know. I don't remember that part of it.

Speaker 5 (39:34):
It was up going to the second biggest, the second
biggest pyramid in Mexico whatever that was called. There's a trail,
it's like four kilometers, he said. About halfway up, they
went about four hundred six hundred meters off the trail,
there was a cave that it ran into and disprited
in that cave, so someone could some of the poken
would possibly look for it.

Speaker 6 (39:55):
It's still hiding there to this day.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Yeah, yeah, well they're they're down there there, down there
for sure, you know, just nobody seems to really be
paying much attention to it.

Speaker 5 (40:04):
I think at cheap of carbra stories, I guess. I
think I think a lot of cheaper I think that
stuff gets structured. I think everything gets ruptured with the
cheap of cabra, like oh it's a whatever, so it's
the cheap of cabare.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Well, yeah, and also duendees and stuff like that, you
know that that kind of thing. And I don't know,
I don't know. It seems there's there's a lot of
mythology and folklore down there. Some of it's probably base
in reality, but a lot of it just isn't, honestly,
A lot of it's based in superstition and whatever else.

Speaker 5 (40:30):
So yeah, there's none other pr we can tell you that.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Yeah, in Puerto Rico, I think that that your poop
out of luck unfortunately.

Speaker 6 (40:38):
All right, so here's the next question.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Okay, this one comes from Irma Calderon. Would you and
Bobo consider doing a one time TV special with all
this new tech that is available. I'd consider it. I
wouldn't jump on it, but i'd consider it if we
had really good gear. Yeah, maybe it depends. It depends
on what sort of assurances from the product company that

(41:00):
they wouldn't lie in mislead and stuff. You know, So
that's the thing, you know, I would consider it, and
then I would think about it. And if there's good tech, sure, Again,
I am of the unpopular opinion around here that tech
isn't going to solve this thing. But at the same time, yeah,
they're fun to use. I don't think this is a
technology game anymore. I used to think that, but I

(41:21):
don't think that anymore.

Speaker 5 (41:23):
So.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
But I would definitely consider it as long as I
as long as the show I felt was respectful to
the subject and did a good job conveying what really happened.

Speaker 5 (41:34):
A documentary not a TV special, so that just implies
crap like an extended documentary like where we had like,
you know, three months to use the gear. I mean,
because they the way they'd want to do is is
short and cheapest possible. To give us like one or
two nights and say, oh, they tried this new equipment
didn't work. It'd be like, no, we don't have at
least ninety days to use it. Something like that. Like

(41:56):
documentaries more style.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah, but then I mean hate to burst anybody's but
but documentaries write out the storyline before they go film it,
and they film you know, footage that fits the story
for the most part, you know.

Speaker 5 (42:07):
So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
TV is a weird thing, man, Like I know, most
people get their their information about these subjects and probably
a lot of other subjects just from television. But I
don't think it's just such a reliable source. I just
really don't. And that's after working on lots lots of
TV shows. So I don't know if I've got a
love hate relationship with the TV thing. Of course, you know,
I think I think that comes through by listening to

(42:29):
the podcast. But it would be a special I've said
this many times. It would be a very special TV
show to get me back on the screen now and
of course, I know.

Speaker 6 (42:39):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Somebody's out there and saying, yeah, have a clip. You're
talking about this stuff on you know what is it
that show that I do? What is it called Proof
Is out There? So yeah, well, I'm doing the Bigfoot
stuff on Proof Is out There. And they throw me
these other things that I have no idea about, and
I get to riff on them, and that's kind of fun.

Speaker 5 (42:55):
I enjoy that.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
But the Proof Is out There, folks, they're legit, man, Like,
I don't know about birds being telepathic and reading your
mind and all that kind of stuff or whatever else
may be on that show. Because I've never seen an
episode of the show, I know some of the stories
they have me and I look at are pretty funny,
pretty funny, and I've busted some hoaxes. I mean, there's
puppets that are being trying to be passed off as

(43:17):
various other animals and stuff, really funny stuff. And again
I don't know what makes Sierra. I don't watch this
stuff I'm in. But the producers on that show take
the Bigfoot thing really seriously, and some of them have
become much more interested in the subjects since I started,
and I know doctor Meldrum's on there as well, his
faces on camera there. They've come up with some interesting
bigfoot stuff, some of which I have not seen before,

(43:37):
that I thought was pretty interesting, and they've never once
asked me to push the truth. And they're more ridiculous
stories that I think nobody really believes or whatever. Because
it's television. It's just for entertainment, right, they asked me
to introduce it or whatever. But when I say, what
do you think about this cliff, I say, well, I
think it's nonsense. Of course I do, and I'm assuming
that doesn't make the edit. But they let me say it,

(43:58):
and they never push me to do anything to honest,
and so I have I have great faith in the
producers of that show as far as they're honesty goes.
I don't I don't know how the how the edit
comes out. Again, I don't watch any of this stuff.
But at the same time, they've never steered me wrong.
They've never pushed me to be dishonest. And when I say,
they say, can you say this, and I go no,
I can't say that, that's ridiculous. But I can say this,

(44:19):
and then I could say something truthful about it.

Speaker 5 (44:22):
So again.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
But that's the only kind of show that I'm willing
to work with, the kind that let me be me
and tell my truth as I see it and don't
force me in anything. And so if you see my
mug on a TV that's that's what you're getting. But
as far as a series or even a one off
special or whatever that's solely focused around Bigfoot stuff, it
would have to be a very special TV show or

(44:44):
special or whatever to have me on it.

Speaker 5 (44:46):
Again.

Speaker 6 (44:47):
Yeah, people would also have to realize, like, when you
do that proof is out there, that's half a day
of your time, and there's no travel involved. It's not
like you've got to clear your schedule for weeks and
take multiple flights and haul out a bunch of gear
year and you know, up end your entire life versus
going and sitting down somewhere for half a day. You know,
that's a huge difference of commitment.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I drive to Gresham. I
show up at like nine point thirty or something like that.
The crew is already there and they're set up. We
record until I'm done. I usually get out of there
by like three or four or something, and then I'm
back home. You know, and I cast her check, which
is nice. You know, it's not a ton of money,
but it's a little I'll take it. It's great.

Speaker 5 (45:25):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
It's a great gig, and I like the people involved.
And like I said, they never pushed me towards dishonesty.
They'd let me say what I want to say, and
they give me I give my honest opinion, and what
they do with it after that, it's none of my business.

Speaker 5 (45:37):
Really. I did one episode of two of those shows,
and I got didn't get out of They said specifically,
we don't want you back.

Speaker 6 (45:47):
I heard that phone call because you were in the
car with me when your manager called to break the news,
so I heard it. You were not very happy.

Speaker 5 (45:54):
I was. I was just like, I think that was
what was going to happen. Those guys were trying to
make me say same things. I didn't believe.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Well, I just get that out of the way, right.
Would I get an email from a production company asking
trying to enlist me for whatever thing they have, that's
the first thing I write back. But like IM just
like like man, just so you know I do this.
I take it very seriously. And you know, if you
want me to toe the party line and say what
the team wants me to say. I'm not going to
do it for you. But if you want someone who
has a lot of experience in the subject with a

(46:22):
real opinion, and you're interested in what that real opinion is, yeah,
I'm happy to work with you. We can talk further.
Email me back if you choose, and I'll tell you
probably less than half the time I get emails back,
and that tells you something, right there.

Speaker 5 (46:36):
Yeah, all right, I guess we can retown with that one.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
I think so we'll we hop to the next one.

Speaker 5 (46:42):
All right, let's there we go for our final one.
It comes from Frank Pavlico message way back in grammar
school in the late nineteen seventies. I remember having a
pair of Buster brown bigfoot shoes. Well I don't remember those.
Seeing pictures of on Google brings back fund memories because
if you got the bottom of the shoe wet, they
can be the big foot footprint. Oh I do remember that,
which many of us thought was so cool. Did you

(47:04):
ever own a pair of Buster brown bigfoot shoes or
ever see them as a vintage item at the big
Foot conference? I hoping they were at least a part
of the acquired dress code of the Pigeons. I remember,
I remember the footprint. I never had a pair, and
I've never seen a pair at a conference.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
I remember the logo, but I never had a pair. Yeah,
but I definitely remember the Buster Brown logo. I hadn't
even heard of that company in a long time. That's
that's a blast from the past. Well he smokes, but no, no,
I never had anything like that. I guess I wasn't
as cool as I am.

Speaker 5 (47:34):
Now.

Speaker 6 (47:34):
Was there a preferred footwear for the Pigeons?

Speaker 5 (47:36):
Bobes Parazzi's what are those? You know, Mexican salesmanbe with
car tires and leather?

Speaker 6 (47:43):
Oh gotcha? Yeah, I figured there were some kind of
flip flops.

Speaker 5 (47:46):
Yeah, yeah, that was the official footwear.

Speaker 6 (47:50):
Somebody was telling me a story the other day. Gosh,
I wish I could remember who it was, because it
was a mutual friend of ours. It's probably at squatch
Fest because there were so many friends there. But they
were like, yeah, I remember the first time I would
in the wood with Bobo. That guy was wearing shorts
and a tank top and flip flops in like the
gnarliest back country in northern California.

Speaker 5 (48:06):
Yeah, I thought I wore for years and I were
I just saw didn't start wearing shirt shoes until find
a Bigfoot.

Speaker 6 (48:13):
Thank you for your sacrifice.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Remember how you went in for getting fit one day
and you found out you've been wearing the wrong size
shoes for years and that's why your feet hurt all
the time.

Speaker 5 (48:22):
Yeah, I found out I was a fourteen. I did
ever tried them on. I just it was like, I'm
a thirteen. I was a thirteen for hour, So I
just kept saying thirteen, and I was shoes. Why people
wear shoes? They suck, they hurt, And I was like
forty years old that tried on a pair of fourteen's
were like, oh whoa, this is crazy. This is why
people wear shoes. It's a game changer. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
You could walk across almost anything in these things.

Speaker 5 (48:47):
Yeah, that's pretty amazing. They were those boots. You said
they were boots, right.

Speaker 6 (48:51):
Buster brown Bigfoot shoes. So I hadn't heard of this
before my time.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Yeah, this is a deep cut in like late sixties
early seventies thing.

Speaker 5 (48:59):
I think. Yeah, those would have been too dorky for me,
even if they weren't big related.

Speaker 6 (49:04):
That's what I was waiting for. I thought when I
asked you what the pigs were. But we're too cool
for that.

Speaker 5 (49:09):
Yeah, we wouldn't wear something like that, No way.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
I can't climb a tree in those shoes.

Speaker 5 (49:13):
You get dog piled wearing something like that on the playground.

Speaker 6 (49:16):
But now you know, if you see tracks like that,
you'll be like, that's Frank Pavlica.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Yeah, got our eye on you, Frank. I'd love to
get a pair of those for the museum, though I
won't wear them because I don't want to get beat
up by Bobo.

Speaker 5 (49:28):
So no, I've told him nowadays.

Speaker 6 (49:31):
I think Bobo has plenty of reasons to dog pile
both of us. Yeah, straight, the shoes would be the
least of our worries.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
That's why we do the podcast remotely. Yeah, well you know,
before we go speaking of dogs in general, Bobo. Yesterday
was Sochi's birthday, eleven years since Tyler found her in
the woods. She was three, No, she was probably one.
Maybe that was her rebirthday, yeah, yeah, her after birthday.

Speaker 5 (49:59):
Yeah, it's a whole new life.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Yeah, Tyler found her tied to a tree yesterday, eleven
years ago in northern California while looking for Matt Moneymakers
so we could film him doing the solo camping trip
on that Bobo's Backyard episode of Finding Bigfoot and.

Speaker 5 (50:15):
Wendacer was at least a two and a half hour
drive away in the whole separate part of the town.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
He wasn't like a hot tub or something, if I
remember right, somewhere else. Didn't tell him, But luckily he
wasn't there, because otherwise I wouldn't be blessed with Soshi.

Speaker 5 (50:27):
Yeah, she's old.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
But good her back legs or she's a little wobbly
in her back legs nowadays and stuff. And then she's
of course all gray in the face, but so is
her dad, so it doesn't matter. But she's she's laying
around here somewhere. She's the I wish they could just
be old dogs longer. You know, old dogs are the best.

Speaker 5 (50:46):
Ye cool.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Oh, she's such a blessing in so many ways. So yeah, yeah,
so she's around here somewhere. We got her, of course,
we showered her with gifts and she has no idea
what's going on, but we sure enjoyed it. Got her
little toy puzzle sort of thing that we hide food
inside and she takes it because she's a smart dog.
She likes stuff like that. Got our new blanket and
she immediately fell asleep on it, which is awesome. And
of course various ummy treats and that sort of stuff.

Speaker 5 (51:10):
I guess that's we're done.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
We're done. We're done with this episode. But now we
go answer our members questions, and of course there's fewer
members and our regular listeners, so we answer every single
question that the members submit. Maybe you want to be
a member, in which case you know, I strongly encourage it.
Of course, go to that link that Matt Poot will
put in the show notes.

Speaker 5 (51:29):
All right, folks, well that's it another episode of Bigfoot
and Beyond. Clift and Bubba and a little bit of Matt.
Thanks a lot for joining us, and we'll see you
guys at pitch on our fellow pigeons over there. So
until next week, you all keep it squatchy.

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