Ep. 301 - Trapped By A Sasquatch in Kentucky!

Ep. 301 - Trapped By A Sasquatch in Kentucky!

February 10, 2025 • 59 min

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Cliff Barackman, James "Bobo" Fay, and Matt Pruitt speak with Jack, a man who had close and frightening encounters with a sasquatch in Western Kentucky that locals called "The Hermit!"

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Bubo Fay, Hey, bobes, Hey, Matt. What's going on? Man?
Everything good?

Speaker 4 (00:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (00:34):
Yeah, just uh ready. We got a great guest calling
on the day, so I'm excited for that.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Yeah, Well, I'll tell you that it's been a busy day.
I mean I kind of I think I woke up
wearing my running shoes or something, because I woke up
and have not stopped since. I think I've had about
eight minutes down And I take that back. I drove
to the I drove to work, so I had fifteen
minutes of uninterrupted peace for a moment. But other than that,
I've been busy, busy, busy. The cast streamed down the

(01:01):
in the outbuilding is nearing not nearing completion, but the
first phase is definitely close to being done. Hanging doors,
doing all that sort of stuff. Had to go to
work today because there's a flu going around and one
of my employees was out, so I had dropped by
work and all chaos broke out there because all sorts
of stuff was going on, good stuff, good stuff. When
I right when I walked in, Niko was there and

(01:21):
he goes, hey, there's a guy in the back that
knew Paul Freeman. He said, no kidding. So I went
back there and talked to him, and I guess Paul
Freeman was like part of the four H Club or something,
and he knew this guy and he was better friends
with Wes Summerlin. So he's telling me the stories about
Wes and Paul and everything, and then he goes, oh,
footprint casts, I'll show you what I do with these,

(01:41):
you know. And he shows me a picture on his
phone of a footprint cast that I've never seen before.
I go, wow, where'd you get this? Because he mentioned
how Grover Krantz is I think sister or niece or
somebody had a store in the Kennewick area, the Tri
City area, and is that one of the Krantz I've
never seen that. I've never seen that cast before. He goes, oh, no,
that's when my friend gave me down in hum Or,
Northern California, somewhere and there's a there's a creek down

(02:02):
there off the Smith River, and he's got a couple
of them off there, and go, no kidding, So he's
going to try to find out He's going to try
to find the name of the creek and tell me
what it was.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
Yeah, but anything anything that those Wilson Creek tracks.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Wilson Creek maybe it is. I don't know, but I
have his number, I have his name and everything. But
check this out. That wasn't even the end of it.
You know, I'm going to try to copy that at
some point. I think I kind of mentioned like, well,
I drive through Kennewick every once in a while if
I'm out there, would you mind if I drop by
and maybe make a quick copy of it? And he
didn't seem to be adverse to that, which is kind
of cool, but the same the same guy. He goes, oh, yeah,

(02:36):
you know my son. I think it was my son.
My son filmed one one time. What he goes, yeah, yeah, well, god,
maybe you can get me in touch with them. I'd
love to see it. And he goes, oh, it's on
my phone. I'll just show you. So oh yeah, sure, okay,
And so he pulls out his phone, and I guess
the story was. It was on Tiger Canyon Road out
in the Blues, you know. So it was wintertime and
there's this there's a gate over there on the road

(02:57):
that goes up and during the winter time they close it.
So these guys they backed their snowmobile, like they back
their trucks up against the gate and then put their
snowmobiles over the gate, you know, in this drive up
Tiger Canyon Road. And so what they did is they
drove up kind of towards the top and you know,
did their hanging out and goofing around and like they're doing,
just enjoying their snowmobile day. On the way back down,

(03:18):
herd a elk cross in front of their snowmobile, and
so they stopped for a minute and they filmed it
and everything, and then they kind of swung the camera
up on the hill and filmed a big bull elk
up on top of the hill and kind of swung
it back around. And that was the end of it
as far as they were concerned. And then he shared
the footage with his dad, the guy I met today,
and his dad saw something in the footage in the footage.

(03:40):
And you know, it's like, when I heard that, my
heart sang. It's like, oh, it's one of these things.
I didn't see it at the time until I saw
into the back. I'm thinking, oh, this is gonna be Paradoia. Right,
it's not. It's not Paradoia. He showed. I guess when
the guys swung the camera up to the elk up
on the hill, the bull elk up on and this
is like three hundred plus yards away probably it's a
good distance away. And I didn't even see the elk

(04:01):
at first. I had to watch it twice before I
saw the elk. He goes, Yeah, there's the elk. And
if you look over here, blah blah blah, and this
little patch of trees there right there, you can see
it moving. And I'm thinking, oh, it's just going to
be a stump or no. No, you can see a
human shape figure moving through the trees.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
Really.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, it's not nothing to write
home about, but it's something to share with you guys,
because you guys are big foot folks like me and
get excited over small little tidbits. I don't have the footage.
There's nothing I can share or anything like that. But
I saw it and it's pretty cool, and I'm thinking, okay,
think of the context here. These guys are a few
miles probably up past the gate where you're not allowed

(04:38):
to go, and there's snow all over the place, and
this thing is three five hundred yards up the mountain
side on top, and it's really difficult to get to location.
The water sheds right on the other side of it
because it's Tiger Canyon Road.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
You know, you got a sense of size for it.
I looking at the el now.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
It's hard to say. But the guy he is going
to email me the footage so I can zoom in
and stable and do my sorcery with it, you know.
So I'm going to take a look at it. Maybe
maybe there's something else to learn, But right now I'm
not super hopeful that we were going to, you know,
squeeze a lot more information out here. But I have
the general location, I have the context, I've got the story.

(05:16):
I'll probably maybe contact the guy and see what he
has to say about it. But remember he didn't see
it at the time, so I'm not sure what else
I would learn from that, but I'll try anyway, because
you never know what you're going to learn, you know.
But even before that, you know, I got you know,
last year, if you remember, I did that Sportsman show
here in Portland, and a couple of the people I

(05:36):
met there were of interest. And one of the guys
said that, oh, yeah, my friends cast some prints down
by the Shasta areas what he told me, And I said, oh,
I'd love to you know, if you ever see those people,
I'd love to see fo you know, pictures of the
cast or whatever. And you know, crickets for like the
last year. And then like two weeks ago, a week ago,
he reached out to me, I'm down here, I'm going
to see these cats. Oh great, great, once you send

(05:58):
me pictures. And he did. He did today and apparently
it wasn't Shasta, it was Trinity Lake. And he lives
out there somewhere, you know, like east of View somewhere,
but out in that general direction I think on probably
on the reading side of the mountains, you know what
I mean. And he's sure enough. He sent me pictures
of the cast and some pictures of photographs of the

(06:19):
footprints in the ground, and they are beautiful, they look
really really cool, and the guy's an older guy and
he doesn't want me nosing around or talking to him,
so I don't get to talk to him, unfortunately. But
at least I got the pictures of the cast.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
Was there a scale reference?

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Not really?

Speaker 4 (06:34):
Not really?

Speaker 3 (06:34):
They look pretty good size, and again it's not Unfortunately,
I didn't really ask if I could share them with,
you know, the public, so I can't really post them
on Patreon or anything like that, like what we normally
do about these sort of things.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
You put them on Patreon.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
I'll tell you what. I will text the guy and
ask him if if I can share them, and if
I can, then our members will see him. You know,
it's the bottom line. So but I'll all of a
sudden to you guys, because you're not going to go
anywhere with them. They looked very very good anyway. Yeah,
just another day in close life, chalk full of bigfoot stuff,
rushing around doing this and that, and then coming on
a podcast getting ready to hear a fantastic story from

(07:10):
what I understand.

Speaker 5 (07:11):
Oh yeah, dude, this guy had a great, great up.
I mean, you're not going to get any closer than this,
and it's and it's just burned, is it happened a
long time ago, but it's burned into his brain and
he's you know, you'll get the sense of this guy
when you talk to him.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
He's just salt of the earth, good honest person.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
So well, let's get on it, man.

Speaker 5 (07:30):
I met Jack back in Ohio, Kentucky, at one of
the conferences. He's friends with Charlie Raymond, and he told
me a story that blew my mind. I was just like,
oh my gosh, this guy's he's got quite a tale
and he's a good, solid guy.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
Charlie Boucher's form.

Speaker 5 (07:47):
I've known him for a while and he's just a good,
you know, honest dude. So I thought you'd enjoy listening
to him.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
I always loved me a good story. So yeah, gohad
and lay lay it honest, Jack. I mean, I can't.
I'm looking forward to hearing what you have to say.

Speaker 6 (08:00):
Well, I took a few notes here this afternoon when
I got in here, and I thought i'd give you
just a briefing. Odinsboro, Kentucky. It's where I was born.
It's in Davis County, Kentucky. At the age of four,
we moved to Sargo, Kentucky, which it's in Davis County
and it's about let's say, from the downtown Winnsboro. It

(08:24):
was about ten to twelve miles on the west side
of town. And yeah, when I was four of us
when we moved out there. By the time I was
six years old, my mom and dad took the four
of us kids at that time. That's how many was
in the family, four kids, and we went on a
six week vacation. We went to al Capoco and Mexico

(08:47):
and went through the Alamo, through the deserts California, Redwood Forest,
Grand Canyon, Mount Rushmore, and all in between. And by
going on that trip, I know that it helped me
in my memory remember things very well. Actually, my dad,
when I was a sophomore in high school, we went

(09:09):
back out to Rushmore and before we got there, I said, Dad,
I said, I can tell you what that parking lot
looks like before we get there. And I did. And
he turned he said, how and the heck do you
remember that? I said, I just, I do. I said
it was so awesome going out there, I said, I just.
I said. When we pulled up, I said, this is
just what I remembered. I said, it's the same thing.

(09:31):
He said, well, you're right. He said, well, that's hard
for me to believe, but he said, you are one
hundred percent right. Well, about nineteen sixty seven to sixty
nine in that area, we were hearing a lot of
people talking about a big harry wildman running around and
his name was the Hermit. A matter of fact, the

(09:53):
lady that I even talked to tonight, she said, I
remember those years. I remember when the hermit was running
around David And she said, that's exactly what people were calling.
It was the hermit that in nineteen sixty eight, my dad,
he was the president of Davis County Fishing Wildlife, and
he and a cousin they were raising a lot of birds.

(10:18):
They mostly quail to get the quill population up in
Davis County, and they also raised approximately ten other types
of birds, pheasant, peacock, chuckers, just a lot of different
wild birds, and they were releasing them into the wildlife
and we had put in the summer of sixty nine

(10:41):
after these birds. It took a while to get the
cages built, but we started probably in about sixty eight,
and part of my job would we go out and
feed them, make sure the water was good shape, help
build the pens, things like that. And by nineteen sixty nine,
was getting out the sixth grade. And it was June

(11:04):
of nineteen sixty nine and I went out to the
back porch. It was just turning dark, and I start
burning my school papers and I'm out there, well, the
sun had just went down, I mean, burning those papers
was even showing its light more so because it had
just turned dark. I was just having fun just sitting there,

(11:27):
ripping page after page, just sitting there burning them all.
This year's gone. School's out. Boy, couldn't be any better.
And by that time I start hearing the birds were
start flying from one end together, just making a little noise.
And it came to my thought that hey, we just
put the electricity out to the barn and shoot. I

(11:50):
turned the lights on just ten feet from where I
was sitting on that back porch. I went up to
hit that switch and I was able to see. Well,
when I looked out there, I'll tell you what it
just I couldn't believe what I was seeing. The cage
was being picked up about twelve inches to eighteen inches
on each side, just twisting it bam bam, just going

(12:13):
to each side, and the birds were flying from one
end and right back to the other. And I yelled
out there and I said, who's out there? What's out there?
And it all stopped. The pin just stopped. There wasn't
any movement going up and down. Well, the birds kept flying,
and the birds were just all the birds around were

(12:33):
just making all types of noise, and you could We
had a cattle barn or very farm next to us.
The cows they were bawling, and I thought, who's out
there again? And about this time I see something real
large just walking through the dark, and I could tell
that it was very large, and it had that gate

(12:55):
just like a big foot gate would walk and I thought, man,
this is this is freaking me out. I hope what
in that hat? And I'm thinking, maybe this is the
hermit that everybody's been talking about, this wild haired man.
And I was just I was scared. I went inside,
I told people, told the parents, and I didn't hear

(13:19):
anymore that night. Next morning went out there and there
were over five hundred birds dead in that cage and
blood was everwhere where they had dripped. There were a
few birds still kicking in the cage, but I'd say
ninety five better than ninety five percent of the birds
were dead. And uh I just I told Dad what

(13:42):
I had seen. And I said, Dad, I don't know
what what was out there? What it was? I said,
it wasn't a purse, It was not a person. Dad.
I said, if it was, it was somebody huge. And
he said, well, we'll have to keep an eye on
things around here. And he said, I hope this doesn't
happen again. And so probably about a month goes by,

(14:06):
and uh I was worshing laundry, and uh I went
to get some laundry out, and laundry was on one
side of the wall, and where our clothes dryer was,
there was a window. And as I turned with those
closed to open up the dryer, I looked right into
the window and this thing's looking in the window right

(14:28):
at me, and I old, crap. I threw the clothes
up in there. My sister's on the phone. The door
was opened for the utility room there and she was
sitting up on the bar. She threw the phone up
in the air and she said, I saw it. I
saw it too. Let's get in the bathroom and I said,
we sat in there for an hour in that bathroom.
I said, Pat, what it is this? It is this

(14:50):
the hermit? And she said, I think it's the hermit.
She said that thing was harry and big and ugly,
and I said, you're telling me. I said, I know, sister.
I said, I saw a food. I said, it's scared
the heck out of us. And she said, you better
blave out stair.

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Speaker 6 (16:48):
Well nineteen seventy counts around and get out of school
and my older brother and a friend of myself we
were staying at a was a single man. Uh. He
worked a lot of people back there. He was a
big old guy, Jim Stout was his name, and that sucker,
I'll tell you what he knew how to shoot a

(17:09):
higher power rifle. He had mooseheads hanging in his machine shop.
He had black bear roads. He was very, very much
of a naturalist. Uh. He was just a good old guy.
And uh he had an old home place. And we

(17:31):
were back there watching his house in that machine shop.
Mostly it was this friend of ours that was the
one actually that had been assigned to watch it. That
me and my brother. We went back there that night
just to stay with him for one night while mister
Stout was gone to Alaska. And on that night we

(17:52):
started getting hungry. It was about old It was a
couple of hours after midnight, and it was hot and humid.
That night it was very foggy, and the moon was
out just as bright as it could be. And we thought, well,
we'll go up to the house, which was about a
mile away, and we'll have our sister to hand some

(18:14):
food out to us. And so we had a dad's
Ford pickup. It was a Ford Falcon and they sat
low to the ground. It was a white just a
white standard Ford Falcon pickup and the three of us,
we hopped in the cab. I sat right in the middle,

(18:34):
and we pulled over. And as we pulled onto the
uh where the machine shop was, you drove about al
about a half mile down the dirt road, and it
was back in a wooded area. He had peacocks back
there as well, and then you'd make a right turn
you'd be on asphalt for maybe a half mile. And

(18:56):
where our little farm was with seven acres, and we
had a lake or a small little pond. We had
the barn. We had those birds, bird pins, things like that.
And as we came to that turn on this it
was kind of in a d shape. As we made
that real sharp turn to come in behind the house

(19:18):
where this gravel road was right there at that turn,
I asked him, I said, guys, I said, did y'all
see somebody walking? I said, I sure think I saw
something that fog. I saw somebody walk in this way.
And they said, no, we didn't see anything. Well, he
pulls truck up in there and he backed it in

(19:39):
and I go to get out with him, and he said, well, no, no,
he said, you stay here. Well, my older brother, he's
five years older than I am. And I said, Bill,
can I go with you?

Speaker 3 (19:49):
Guys?

Speaker 6 (19:50):
I said, I'd feel better going with you. He said,
you stay here. He said, if anybody comes you just
blow the horn and we'll be here real quick. He said,
locked the doors. He said, nobody's going to get you.
You're safe. I said, all right, all right, I'll do
what you're telling me. Well, I sat there and I
watched them walk off, and I thought, I'm going to

(20:11):
look back again. I know I saw somebody walking. And
I turned my head to the left of me. I'm
sitting there right at the wheel, and I looked back
and it's probably several thousand feet and I didn't see
anything at first, and I thought, well, maybe I didn't
see anything. And I sat there just a hair like

(20:33):
a few seconds. Morning I think I'm going to look again.
I know I saw something. And when I looked the
second time, yep, I see the movement. I said, I
knew it. I knew it. I saw somebody walking. I said, okay,
hang tight here, Jack, I said, look you can. You
can see the movement. If whoever's coming, you're going to
know who they are. It's probably going to be a neighbor.

(20:55):
I couldn't hunting. You'll know who they are. You've always
had And I thought, okay, I've gave myself this good
pep talk. I'm calm, I'm gonna wait. If they go
on the asphalt, I surely don't have anything to worry about.
If they come this way, I'm going to know who
they are. So that was my plan, That's what I
was telling myself. And I also had that assurance that

(21:18):
if they did come and I didn't know them, I
could blow that horn. My brother was going to come.
So I just sat tied. Well, it kept coming closer,
and it would go in and out of the fall. Well,
it ended up coming onto the gravel part as it did.
I sat there, Oh, it's come in my direction. I
really have to be on the ball now. Now I'm

(21:38):
going just I was already locked in, but now it's
extra extra. You know, looking to see all the details
you can find jack and just keep your eye on
this thing. Well, I just kept looking and it gets up.
I smelled this real strong odor, and it smelt like
a strong or stronger than a stunt smell, but it

(21:59):
also smell like a more of a zoo older like oh,
kind of the wet dog and just like feces from animals,
and just kind of what a zoo would like if
you're down in the zoo where the elephants are, lions
and tigers and that type of thing, it would be

(22:22):
kind of that that type of smell. But it was
a lot stronger, maybe two to three times stronger than that.
I'd say every bit of three times stronger. And I thought, okay,
I smell that smell, and I wonder what this is.
I mean, I'm already starting to try to process that part.

(22:43):
And a boy this time. I look up and, like
I say, the moon is so bright and it gets
about twelve feet from the truck, and I thought, this
is not a person. Uh, there's no clothes on this thing.
And my god, I mean, if I'm looking, this thing's
like seven and a half meet feet tall and the

(23:04):
shoulders are three foot wide. This is the hairy man.
What in the heck is going on? And I thought
it's time to put this horn on. As soon as
I put the horn on, it put its hands up
on its ears and it just roll and I thought,
let off the horn this thing. I don't want to

(23:25):
make it all ticked off and aggravate it and I
start going down into the floorboard of the truck. But
right as I was looking still at the at it,
it went down with its hands and it scraped the
gravel about three to four times each side, and it

(23:45):
stood back up. And by that time I saw it
doing the gravel, and I was down low towards the floorboard,
kind of up crunched up underneath of the steering wheel,
and the whole truck starts shaking, and I thought, what
in the world this thing shaking the truck. Isn't in
the truck? Is it just shaking the truck? Well, I

(24:06):
looked up in the back window and I said, it's
in the truck. I see it's hairy legs. And I said,
what in the world. And then the next thing wham
right up over the windshield. I mean, it just made
the loudest pop. And I saw his arm on the
passenger side, his hand as far as like a large man,

(24:28):
his hands were I would say, probably an inch and
a half to two inches longer than that. And I'm thinking,
what are you? What is this? It's a black hand.
I could see the hair underneath the hair, I could
see perspiration, and the muscle in the arm on the

(24:50):
forearm stood up about an inch and a quarter inch
and a half. His arm was about three times the
size of what my dad's arm was. And he was
six foot three, uh, probably two sixty five two seventy
five at the time. I mean, so he was a
big guy. And I'm thinking that whatever this thing is,

(25:11):
it's it's like a whopper compared to my dad. And
the hand. I just I looked that hand so much.
And I would say, on the hand alone, I probably
had a good thirty seconds look up and down the arm,
and uh, at that time, it peeped around to the

(25:33):
side of the truck or to the pass our driver's
side of the window and looked in at me, and
then it pulled its head back real quick, and I thought,
are you playing pete pie with me? What are you?
What are you doing here? Man? And then his arm
kind of slid off the window of the front window,
and he straightened his head up and he came back
in a second time to look at me, and he

(25:55):
just he was still, and he was we just we
just locked eyes. We were like within eighteen inches to
two feet looking at each other, and the moon was
shining so bright on him. I could see the details
that he had small ears, he had the cone head.
I looked at his eyes and I thought, are you

(26:17):
a caveman? Are you an animal? Are your mix of him?
You know you? It just blew him away. And I
was watching. He had the flat nose, his skin was
like leather, and the dark dark hair. His eyes just
I don't know, his eyes were wild looking. They were

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kind of all kind of a yellowish brown mix into
the eye and had the big lips. And I start
noticing his mouth was starting and his nose was starting
to kind of wrinkle up some. It was like he
was sniffing me out. And all this happened from the

(27:03):
facial look, I would say it was probably right at
forty seconds long, maybe forty five seconds. And after it
did that kind of the sniff, then he opened his
mouth up real quick, and his it just blew me
away because his mouth when he opened it, I wasn't

(27:24):
expecting a mouth to open up this wide, and I
could see cane I and tith and salava, and it
just at that time, as soon as it just went,
it kind of did a hiss at me, kind of
like and uh, it jumped right out and it went
right into the cornfield. And about that time my brother

(27:46):
showed up and he said, what in the world's going on?
And I'm out there. I could I was stuttering. I
couldn't even get my words out, like everybody, you know, trying,
I'm trying to guide them, get me to the house,
you know, pointing, and I was using body language to
even communicate with him. I couldn't. It scared me so bad.
I couldn't even talk with him. I was crying by

(28:09):
the time I got up there. My sister she witnessed that,
and I told my dad about it. And the next
morning I ended up staying there at my house. I
didn't want to go back over to that place, so
my sister let me in and I went on in.
It was so late in the night I didn't wake
my parents up, but I told my dad the next day.

(28:32):
I think it was after he got home from work.
It may have been even that morning. I was exhausted,
but I told him. I said, Dad, I said, we
need to get the sheriff out here and fingerprints or whatever.
What are you talking about? Now? Come on? And I said, Dad,
it's said truth, I said, And he just kind of
blew it off. And I said. He said, now, I

(28:54):
don't want to hear any more about this, And I said, Dad,
I said, going back even from last year. He said,
I've got my hands full, and I just I can't
right now. I just don't want to hear any more
about it. He said, now, come on, he said, you're
you'll be okay, and uh, I don't. A couple of
weeks later, he looked at me and I kept on

(29:16):
to him, and he said, you did see something, didn't you?
And I said, I've been telling you for two weeks.
I saw something.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
I said.

Speaker 6 (29:22):
I was wanting you to get the sheriff out here,
said if we can do fingerprints or hair samples, or
said if there was any footprints or anything. But uh,
even after that event, Uh, it was still that same summer,
the guy goes back to that machine shop. And it
was maybe a few weeks later. I don't I don't

(29:45):
believe I told Bobo this part. Uh, but anyway he was.
He gave us a call and it's late at night,
probably right it midnight. He said, uh, Bill, you and
your dad y'all come over here. Bring a gun. He said,
there's something or somebody knocking on mister spout's door. He said,

(30:06):
I've got myself blocked in into into the like the bathroom.
He said, whatever it is, it won't answer me. And
he said, it is just beaten on the door real hard.
Well only a mile away. We were there within just
a few minutes. And as we got there, we thought
we saw something shadowed walking away. And we looked up

(30:29):
and whatever it had been there had cracked, put a
good crack in this door. And this was an old
one of those old thick doors, like an inch and
a half two inches thick, solid oak door. I mean
it sucker just put a crack right in it. And uh.
That was After that, I hadn't seen anything, heard anything

(30:51):
from anybody other than in Davis County. There's been people,
I think out on hearing one for a Fairview drive.
Some people said that they had a sighting several years back.
I went to some of the libraries where Charlie Raymond
and Don Neil have been and I started that probably

(31:12):
about maybe eight to ten years ago. I started going
to some of the libraries. A guy told me about it.
I met him up there. My sister told me too,
so we all went and we start learning more about it.
Than the foot prints, and not only that, what other
people had seen. And it just really started blowing me

(31:34):
away when all these hands start raising that. And one guy,
he was telling a story. He worked for the city
of Winnsboro here in Davis County, and he said down
around Barn Harbor Hills that he saw one and it
was daylight. He said he was at his uncle's barn

(31:55):
and probably back several one hundred feet away from the
barn in the field, and he said he saw one
and it had its hand up on the barn door.
He said they just locked eyes on each other, didn't
make a move, and he said they looked at each
other for maybe three to five minutes. And he said
soon as he made a move, when he made his move,

(32:18):
the sasquash bigfoot took off immediately and it was gone.
He said, ali site just like it just vanished.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
We'll be right back after these messages, well, a few
follow up questions. Have been taking some notes as you've
been explaining your story to us. I guess one of
the first things I'd like to ask you about it,
and I don't think you mentioned this, And again I'm

(32:50):
trying to keep my notes straight and I'm trying to
listen closely, so I don't ask you a question about
something you already explained. So but forgive me if I do.
As far as far as like the local ledge of
the Hermit's goes, is that something that you've always just
grown up with and everybody in the local area knew
about the hermit And that's just the way it was.

Speaker 6 (33:08):
No, it was just a few years prior to my sighting.
It was probably the hermit started in about nineteen sixty
seven right and through there, and the legend was that
was coming from Barn Harbor Hills, which is right outside
of Odensboro. I mean, it's within just a few miles.

(33:30):
And they used to mind co in that area, and
so I think there's some old abandoned mines left in
that area. But people down in the Stanley area, Sargo,
West Louisville, just a bunch of people on the mostly
on the west side of Weddinsboro. It was in the community.
You would drive the school bus and you'd hear people, oh,

(33:52):
well did you hear about the hermit? And no, man,
what's new about the Hermit so and sold down in
the Sandy saw it. They said that they were out
slopping the hogs and this thing came up close to
them and it was gone. And you know, then somebody
else would say that they saw them, and everybody just

(34:12):
had their ear open. You know, hermit. You know, as
soon as you heard hermit, if you were on a
school bus or something, oh, tell me about it, tell
me your story. And so that's kind of how it went.
But it kind of died off after a few years.
Probably it wasn't too many years after my my sighting.
It kind of died down, but there have been some

(34:34):
activity in Wednesboro and it was even published in our
local paper of people having sightings.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
Okay, by the way, thank you for saying slopping the hogs.
I've never heard that phrase in my life. That's got
a city guy, you know, I've never heard that that
those words put together. That was pretty cool. Thank you.
Oh yeah, I've slapped dogs.

Speaker 7 (34:54):
You saw dogs in one county over from where Jack is,
over in Union County, but other times in my life
in North Georgia too. But yeah, slapping the hogs is
a common farm nomenclature.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
Yeah, yeah, well, I did not grow up on farms.
But okay, so the hermit wasn't instilled in the community
as you were born, and it's something that carried on.
It's something that kind of surfaced for a few five
or ten years and kind of went away.

Speaker 6 (35:21):
Right exactly, And it was kind of a penetrated more
on the west side of Winsboro, and they the main
area seemed like was the Barn Harbor Hill area, and
that it would they people were trying to make a
legend that this thing lived or roamed. More sightings were
in that area, but it would roam off into like

(35:43):
Sargo maybe five miles away, or West Louisville, ten Stanley
maybe seven or eight. So that's it kind of stayed
in these areas and that's where the sightings would be
that they you know, people kind of just talked but
kind of centralized it. And then over the years, I
mean people in Henderson and uh oh, well, I think

(36:07):
what sixty seven was that uh out there in the
Bluff Creek. So I mean it was starting to gain
momentum in my day right right in that time. I mean,
Bigfoot is this uh myself, after I saw it, I
thought this isn't a hermit. This is what they're calling
the bigfoot. And I switched. I switched gears from hermit

(36:30):
to sashquash bigfoot.

Speaker 5 (36:34):
Didn't you guys find like handprints on the on the
truck like saliva?

Speaker 6 (36:37):
And uh, there were. It was on the truck itself.
There was kind of like a kind of how if
you had moisture and you just rubbed it, kind of
a smear mark. Yeah, yeah, there was some smear marks
on it.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
And about the teeth were the cats top and bottom?

Speaker 6 (36:56):
I think what I was picking up, I'm thinking pop
in bottom?

Speaker 3 (37:01):
And how far how much further from the surrounding teeth
did the canines protrude?

Speaker 6 (37:08):
Okay, how much longer?

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Yeah? How much longer were they than the flat teeth
around them?

Speaker 6 (37:13):
I would say maybe an as much as an inch
three quarters to an inch.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
Did you see the mouth color instead of the mouth or.

Speaker 6 (37:23):
Well, the lips a lot of it. Just looking at him,
this thing looked more human than an animal right in
the eyes and the nose. But then when you start
looking up to the side of the head, Hey, it's
got small Its ears were smaller, and it had the
cone head and its shoulders were like three foot across,

(37:48):
and from the I saw the side view, the side
view of its chest was about two feet thick from
the front of the chest to its back. But you
have some hair in there too, So even at that
you're looking at probably eighteen to twenty inches at least,
may have even been pushing thirty inches. I mean, I

(38:10):
estimated that at the time. Gas And because I had
watched growing up small cattle hogs things like that. The
weight even my dad's size, you know, I'm thinking this
thing was seven hundred and fifty thousand pounds easily, maybe
even more, muscles like you wouldn't believe. I didn't see

(38:32):
any breasts on it either. I think it was a male.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
So it seems like a lot of this stuff was
happening on the on the west side of Owensboro, like
you're saying, right along the Ohio River. And I'm kind
of looking at the maps right now, the satellite pictures
of the area, and there are pockets of woods and whatnot.
But looking back to that time and comparing it to now,
was it significantly more forested at the time. Has there
been a lot of tree clearing and stuff in the

(38:57):
last you know, whatever fifty.

Speaker 6 (38:58):
Years, the theres have been some trees, but there were
a lot of flat farm fields too. And actually where
I was at, I was about a mile away from
Panther Creek, so all that was wooded and I've as
a kid growing up out there, I had shoot riding
bicycles and with friends. I mean, we had years and

(39:19):
years going through all the woods and there's a lot
of wooded area in through that area.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
Now we're looking so southwest of Owensboro, and there's a
big patch of trees down there. So that area has
not significantly changed, or not dramatically changed, I should say,
I don't think so.

Speaker 7 (39:40):
For context, because this is where Emily's family's from, so
we're up there quite often. And you know, ever since
we when we first started dating and I was going
up there, you know, I'd look into a lot of
older reports from there throughout the early to mid twentieth
century and then up really into like the nineties, and
a lot of them reminded me they tend to be
like lone male individuals, and they sort of reminded me,

(40:01):
especially driving to a lot of those spots of the
situation in and around Concho Concho, Oklahoma, where the Casino
footage was taken. We have these kind of heavily forested
creeks and then one major river system that leads to
larger areas of forest because you know, you could follow
the forested waterway of the Ohio to and from the
Shaddie National Forest to the Hoosier National Forest and some

(40:23):
of these other areas, and they tended to be in
that same kind of context of almost like a transient
male or something of that sort, just like a lone
individual that's around for a little bit of time and
then it moves on. And so we've seen similar cases
in other parts of the country that via a satellite
image or something, it doesn't look like the Pacific Northwest
or southern Appalachia, but you get boots on the ground

(40:45):
there and you're like, oh, yeah, you could sneak a
platoon of people through here.

Speaker 6 (40:49):
The actor Rob Low I believe I'm saying his name right.
Him and his sons were in the Olzark Mountains quite
a few years back, and they claim that they had
a fighting with it. And I've been in the Ozark Mountains,
but I was probably fifteen sixteen years old. I saw
Current River. I went to the Current River into the

(41:11):
hot Springs and just quite a few areas into there,
and it was like, man, that is some rugged terrain,
you know if you want to hide, and that it's
no different than over here. Not too far from where
we're at, you have the Hoosier National Forest and it's
almost from Owensboro to Louisville nothing but trees.

Speaker 7 (41:34):
And for a historical context to cliffand but but do
you guys remember the Spotsville Monster and all those stories.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
That's very close.

Speaker 7 (41:41):
It's close in space and time exactly.

Speaker 6 (41:45):
I was the Spotsville Monster. That's the same thing, and
that's probably no more than twenty five miles from where
I lived. It makes me feel good to open up
about it. After seeing one numerous times, and my brother
saw it. We had a locust tree. I talked to

(42:07):
my brother. He moved away quite some probably almost thirty
five let's see here, it's been probably thirty five years ago,
my Mike, my brother moved to Wilmington, North Carolina. But anyway,
as we start getting into some of this, just a
few years ago I brought it up and I said, Mike,

(42:29):
did you ever have anything with a bigfoot or the
Harmit about years ago. He said, well, yeah, he said,
you better believe it. He said, he said, I walked
right out there by the lake pond that we had,
and he said, I thought it was my dad or
my older brother trying to pull something over on me.
And I said, well, what happened? He said it was

(42:52):
when I got up close to it, he said, it
wasn't a dad, it wasn't my brother. He said, this
thing was huge. And he explained to me just what
I saw. He said, yep, yep, that's and he said,
I said, what did it do? He said, it just
shoved that big old locust tree right over. And I said, Mike,
because I was the one mowing the yard at the time,

(43:12):
I said, I was wondering how that locust tree got
shoved over like that and uprooted, and it was probably
a locust tree. It was a good twelve inches in
at in diameter. And I said, well, you kind of
answered what I needed. Mike.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
You think it's the same one I.

Speaker 6 (43:30):
Think it was. And he took off run him and
it was in the same time, same time period.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
We'll be right back after these messages. Well, this one
certainly seemed to like your property a lot. So I
have a couple of questions about the property, if you
don't mind. You just mentioned the pond. You mentioned it
earlier in the conversation as well. We're there fish in

(44:00):
the pond.

Speaker 6 (44:01):
There were fish in the pond, and matter of fact,
the Kentucky Department of Fish and Game. Dad had it,
he would have it stopped. They would come and put
so many fish in each year to help keep it
stopped up.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
Then did you and your brothers fish out of there? Oh?

Speaker 6 (44:19):
Yeah, yep, yep. We fished out of it. And it
had a lot of pine trees when we moved out
there in nineteen sixty four or sixty three, I guess
it was. I was four years old. It was actually
it was sixty one when we moved out there. Within
the first year or two. At that time, the pond
didn't have any trees on the land. It was just

(44:40):
a seven acres and Dad he got these pine trees
from the government and we start putting pine trees all
out on it.

Speaker 4 (44:50):
How big is the pond?

Speaker 6 (44:52):
It was probably maybe a half an acre, just a
small pond.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
And when you fished there. Did you clean the fish
right on the edge of the pond.

Speaker 6 (45:00):
Uh sometimes yeah, we would, yeah, sometimes we would uh
yeah that and there was a spillway, and sometimes in
that spillway it had snapping turtles in it. Uh sometimes
that you'd uh. Well, we had ducks out there on
the place too, and uh sometimes the turtles would get

(45:21):
the ducks or the geese and you'd find them dead
out there. And we had chickens and uh, the peacocks
all they made that loud honk sound. You could hear
them a mile away or two miles away. I always
kind of wondered if the birds. And he had rabbits
and some cattle and horses and all this was on

(45:44):
seven acres and all these different birds. I mean, there
were thousands of birds. We had incubators and we would
raise them and then he'd set them loose.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
The chickens and stuff or other kinds of birds as well.
I mean, I know you said peacocks and ducks and chickens.

Speaker 6 (45:59):
Chickens, the ducks, cats, dogs just like a few cats,
a few dogs, horses, cattle, and then there was a
dairy farm right next to us, between the house and
about a mile down the road was Panther Creek and

(46:19):
all that was wooded. And the guy that had the
dairy farm next to us, I remember walking through his
fields and my gosh, it was like you'd start walking
back from the flat ground and man, this is cool
back here. It's like there's big war shouts like fifteen

(46:41):
feet you know, eight to ten feet deep and real wide,
and it was like this is a different world back
and hear all of a sudden, and we had some
spots in behind the house the same way. And then
there were cornfields all up on each side of us.
I mean, heavenly at that time of the year. One

(47:02):
guy he had probably a thousand acres or better cornfields
for miles and miles all around us, up front and
back of us. If it wasn't to Bacca patches, it
was cornfields, little ponds, wooded areas. So if you start
walking into that area actually from and that's whay during

(47:24):
the summer months, if you ever came down in this
neck of the woods from actually from the Ohio River
all the way over into the Sargo West Louis, all
that area back at that time, there wasn't many houses
out in the country, and everything was planted. Today's time,
all these farm fields now are filled with housing. You know.

(47:51):
It's the landscape has changed quite a bit that when
I was growing up at that time, it was nothing
but cornfields and wooded areas and things of that nature.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
Now it sounds like obviously the predominant crop was corn
and a lot of tobacco mixed in there. But and
you referred to your property as a farm at one point,
and it was it an animal farm so to speak,
beause you mentioned all the animals you had, or did
you grow other kinds of crops that were perhaps different
than the surrounding areas.

Speaker 6 (48:23):
We had a little bit of a garden, not.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
Much home vegetable garden sort of.

Speaker 6 (48:28):
Yeah, yeah, just just not much at that time. Now
as far as there was a feed around too, like
the sweet feed and bird the bird feed, and I
mean we had bags and bags of that out there,
and there were a lot of the barn was full
of hay and but yeah, there was a lot of

(48:50):
different odors, especially with the dairy farm. Right next to torrees.
We had fruit trees, yep, had fruit trees. We had
apple trees, may have been a few peach trees.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
To you was it fenced in the orchard or was
it just scattered trees.

Speaker 6 (49:08):
There was a fence around our property, just a small
ball bar fence.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
Earlier, you mentioned this thing or what seemed like this
thing at least messing with the bird cages. What kinds
of birds were in those cages specifically those cages?

Speaker 6 (49:25):
Okay, the one cage that I saw it was it
was quail, and they were they were already they were
real soon to be let loose. I mean they were
most all of them were pretty well grown by the time.
When we would raise the quail as the incubator, then
you'd take them into the barn and they would stay

(49:45):
in the barn until they got up pretty large. We
had the heat lamps inside. But when they got sizeable,
then we had like an outside pen and it had
a We just put some plywood I think up the
top of it, maybe some plastic, and it kept the
rain off of them. That they were pretty good sized

(50:07):
birds by the time that they would go outside to
the pen, and the pen was eight foot tall. It
was four feet up off the ground. It was a
four by four in the top area, and then it
was sixteen feet long total. So it had three four
by four posts on each side, and then it just

(50:29):
two by four frame and then the real small like oh,
i'd say three eighths of an inch square fencing for
him to stand on, and maybe a small part of
it going around the cage, and then just regular chicken
ware top.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
So this thing crawled into the cave, It went into
the cage and kill all the birds.

Speaker 6 (50:50):
I think it must have came up underneath of it somehow,
I would almost I don't know if the birds were
so freaked out that night on what had happened that
they didn't ever roost down and that they just kept
flying back and forth. I couldn't figure that part out,
or the bigfoot sashquash came back that night and did

(51:14):
some more damage to them and literally went up underneath
of them, you know, possibly. I mean blood was everywhere
off of these birds. I mean it was like, how
did this happen? But when you see the birds, quail
are very fast when they take off flying, and uh,
that's when I was on that back porch and I

(51:36):
hear all those the birds in the dark, just like
if you're if you're very out hunting with the quail
and they first take off it's like, I mean it's
like an explosion. Yeah, I mean it's you just you
hear all the you hear the uh their wings just
fluttering and it's like wow, man, I mean they literally

(52:00):
if you're ever at honey quail, I don't know if
you guys haven't done any of that or not, but
you've got your old bird dog and it was quil
flow off in front of you. It's like they literally
scare you.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
Yeah, they start I mean without a dog. You know,
I started them all the time, like also just boot
like it's like the real real percussive the weather wings get.

Speaker 6 (52:19):
Yeah, you name that. You put the right words there, percussion.

Speaker 5 (52:24):
Yeah, I asked you Jack when you got the look
at the squatch was how was like the hair like
two tone or tritone colors or do you know it's
longer in certain areas.

Speaker 6 (52:36):
Uh yeah, I think it was longer in some areas.
And yeah, I've had different uh uh uh links of hair.
It was a coarse hair. It was with that moon
shining down too. It was enough. I mean it appeared
to be like wow, this thing is so super hairy.
But then when you put the light on top of

(52:58):
it and and you could see from the sunlight, you know,
or the moon. It was like, wait a minute, yeah,
there's a lot of hair here, but you can see
up underneath that when you can see still see the perspiration.
I remember seeing that perspiration on its arm so vivid.

Speaker 4 (53:15):
Was it groom did it look groomed at all?

Speaker 5 (53:17):
Or it just looked wild wooly that sleeping in the dirt.

Speaker 6 (53:21):
No, actually it appeared clean. It did not look dirty
to me. I mean it, you know, for it smelt,
but it did not look muddy and raggy, and that
the thing appeared to be like it was clean. Maybe

(53:43):
he had been in the river, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
And also, since you mentioned the arm and you said
you had a real good look at the hands, to
give me a nice deep dive description of what the
hands looks like, maybe like the fingers the if you's
honey nails or whatever you remember.

Speaker 6 (54:01):
I saw the nails. They were long, they seemed to
be round it. They were thick nails.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
When you say long, what do you mean, like, how
much further past the tips of the fingers did they go?

Speaker 6 (54:15):
Oh they may have went. I would say maybe half
of an inch or so, maybe three eighths of an inch.
They weren't extremely long nails, but they were thick, and
they were dark colored as well.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
Did it look like a human hand or were there
different in anyway?

Speaker 6 (54:34):
It looked like a human hand or more of a
gorilla hand. The shape of it was more human, the
color was more like a gorilla. It was just it
was a big hand.

Speaker 4 (54:50):
You got such a close look up for so long.
I mean, all about the eyes. How about the eyes?

Speaker 6 (54:55):
Yeah, they were dark colored eyes. They were large eyes.
They were very sunken, like a caveman's eyes would be.
I didn't see any scarring on his face. The pupils
themselves were larger than what like a regular human how expressions.

(55:16):
He appeared serious, but he seemed calm too. And when
we looked at each other, the when we caught each
other and just looked, I think it knew that I
was scared, like scared to death, and it just it
sat there and was snipping, and he just kind of

(55:37):
stares at me like, you can look and I won't
be here long, man, and I'll be leaving you alone.
Don't worry about me hurting you. And he kind of
looked like peaceful, but he also gave this, uh, I
don't know. It was like a stare look and a

(55:58):
stare and snipping.

Speaker 4 (56:00):
That's just so crazy. That's that's just so shocking.

Speaker 6 (56:03):
I mean now when he opened this, yeah, when he
opened his mouth. And I tell you what, guys, when
this first happened, I mean, after I calmed down, I
going on thirteen years old, I kicked it around and
I thought, has anybody ever seen one of these? And
I thought, I mean back then, there wasn't a way
for me to do any research. There wasn't Internet, there

(56:26):
wasn't I just and people I would tell would I
pretty much after a while just gave up on it.
I thought, nobody believes me. Very few people believe me.
There were my sister did. There were a few close
friends and they'd say, man, you just I dang, man,
you went through something crazy back then. You know, we
believe you, man, you know, and that'd be the end

(56:49):
of it. But so many people, and most people that
I talked to today, if I bring it up to
different people, most of them they yeah, they very couldn't.
This is what you did, so, you know, and what
you went through very much to be true. And then
there's a few out there that say, uh, no way,
no way, and so I kind of learned it. You know,

(57:11):
take my you know, madal smart brother ryot.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
Well, it sounds like you had one of the best
close observations of a sasquatch that I've probably ever heard. So, Boba,
you're one hundred and ten percent right. I love this.
This is a fantastic witness and what a great treat
it is to listen to his account.

Speaker 4 (57:26):
Yeah, you would listen to Jack. You know, you're hearing
the truth.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
And I love that there's a multiple encounter sort of
thing going on for a same general time of year.
It sounds like deep down that that teacher and me
kind of appreciates and doesn't like at the same time
that you're burning your school papers. But I'll forgive you
to that because there's an amazing, an amazing story, and
I just so pleased that you had that I had
the opportunity to here, and then you can come on

(57:50):
the podcast we can share with us.

Speaker 4 (57:52):
So yeah, I appreciate it. Jack, Well, very good.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
Jack. I hope, I hope I can meet in person
at some point. I do a lot of jobs out
in Kentucky in that general area, so if you ever
see me speaking or something out there, definitely come by
the table and say hello if you can.

Speaker 5 (58:04):
Okay, okay, Jack, Well, thanks so much for joining us
on Bigfoot and Beyond. We really appreciate another listeners and
going to enjoy the heck out of this story. And yeah,
it's one of the best close ups of all time.
So thanks so much for joining us.

Speaker 6 (58:16):
You're welcome. And if hey, if want me nights, we
can go out doing some of that squashing. I'll try
to make it with you.

Speaker 5 (58:26):
Yeah, well, look you up next time we're out there. Jack,
thanks so much. Sounds good and thanks for tuning in, folks.
Thanks for joining us on Bigfoot and Beyond. Clifton, Bobo
and Math this time and Jack our guest, and until
next week, y'all keep it squatchy.

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