CLASSICS (Bonus Episode): Don Keating

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
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hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Good evening, Bobo, how are you doing?

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Most excellent sir? How are you?

Speaker 1 (00:35):
I am also most excellent, having a good day. I
worked at the shop today, but I've got an exciting
little bit of news for you. Bobes. Do you know
who our guest is tonight? I think you do.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Good Man from Ohio, that's right.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
The man like not just a capital T man like
thhe capital the man in Ohio, the guy who kind
of put Ohio on the map as a squatchy location.
It is and always have. Our guest today is largely
responsible for the public knowing about it instead of just
the bigfoots. So, ladies and gentlemen, it is with extreme

(01:11):
honor that I am bringing on Don Keating to our
show tonight. Don thank you so much. If you could
see me now, you'd realize I'm bowing to you. Thank
you so much for coming on the show with us.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Well, I'm humbled.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
We are humbled. We are humbled.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Thank you, Don Hey Bobo.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
I appreciate the invitation to be on the show. I'm
probably one of the most modest people that you ever meet,
because I hear a lot of people will say things
like what Cliff just said. And you know, when I
started out back in nineteen eighty four, my opinion of
myself and my hobby then is just the same then

(01:51):
as it is now. I'm an ordinary person with an
extraordinary hobby. And you know, I just tried to do
what I thought was right and best to try and
get some reports and information together from Ohio, Eastern Ohio
in particular, because that's where I'm from. And one thing

(02:14):
led to another, and I'm sure we'll talk about several
of those things this evening.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
It led the money Maker going back to Ohio.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
It did. Yeah. I was just telling Cliff beforehand that
one of the first correspondences I got from him was
in nineteen ninety five, and it was a matrix printer
printed letter that was sent in the mail. It was
even before we really got into the email and heavy

(02:41):
and I met Matt several times here in Eastern Ohio,
and he came down a few times and we went
out to the woods together and talked about several things.
So I knew Matt way back when when he was
just getting started here in Ohio and he was residing
up in the Akron area. And myself and another fellow

(03:02):
by name Matt Hesson went to Bolivar one evening along
I seventy seven at the Stark Tuscaroras County line, and
that's the first time I had met Matt Moneymaker in person,
and we talked with him, and he said, look, I
want to try and get some reports flowing from this
part of Ohio because as a parent that there are

(03:26):
a lot of things going on here, and it's rich
in folklore, and it's rich in reports that have happened
not only in the recent past, but in the distant past.
So he brought some bumper stickers down that had two
phone numbers on it. One of them was for Matt
Moneymaker and one of them was for this fellow by
name is Matt Hesson. And that's how we started getting
the ball rolling here in eastern Ohio and northeastern Ohio

(03:49):
thanks to Matt Moneymaker. By getting those bumper stickers out there,
and that's how people started just contacting one of the
two numbers and getting the information flowing.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Was that guy at the he's the guy at the
Ohio conference that comes every year with the big like
black cowboy hat. Is that that dude? And there you go,
yeah exactly, Yeah, yeah, he's a good guy. I talk
to him every year. I didn't know. I didn't ever
put the name together though, a few years ago. He
gave me one of those bumper stickers and I wish
I still had it, but he gave me one of
the bumper stickers to give to Matt Moneymaker, saying that

(04:22):
Matt says hello. And when I gave it to Matt,
and I didn't know that. I didn't know this little
bit of history that you just dropped on us. By
the way, that's kind of new to me. But when
I gave it to money Maker, like you should have
seen his eyes, it was like Christmas. He goes, oh
my god, you know, and that very oh my gosh,
look at that, you know, during Matt money Maker's sort
of way, and I could just tell that it brought
him such pleasure to see that. So now now I

(04:44):
know a little bit more about why it was so
pleasurable for him to see that. That's cool.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
I'm sure. I'm sure that the flashbacks happened immediately because
that was I think it was during the spring of
nineteen ninety five, and you know, that was a few
years ago and very interesting, a lot of.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
History, a lot of history. So that was the first
time you encountered money maker. Was he as just as
intense as he as he is today back then?

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Oh yeah, I believe. So. He was very adamant about
getting the bumper stickers distributed. He was adamant about getting
some phone calls. As you know, if we knew something
had come in, he wanted to know about it right
away so we could get out into the field together
and investigate things. He was very intense about it then

(05:31):
and as he is now, and I still see the
fire and the get go in his eyes. When I
seen him here in Ohio last month, he was just
the same person, except twenty seven years older that he
was back then. You know, he's he's still got to
get up and go, and I got to get give

(05:53):
him kudos for that. A lot of people who he's
been into it this long would just give up by now.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
But not him.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
I think he's just as as adamant about going after it,
if not more so now than what he was then.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Adam. That's a good word from that.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
It really is. Yeah. Yeah, I'll tell you he's a
fiery soul to say the least. Well, enough about Matt,
you know, we'll talk about we'll get into him and
maybe as we go through the chronology of a Bigfoot
in Ohio here. But am I right in thinking? Have
it in my head that you started your whole journey

(06:27):
in this subject in like nineteen eighty two.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
I wrote an article for the Newcomerstown News in nineteen.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Eighty eighty, so before that. But if you wrote it,
if you wrote an article in nineteen eighty, you must
have been interested before that.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah. It kind of goes back to the late seventies. Actually,
I mean, I don't really consider it the official beginning
of my fascination with the phenomena, but it started back
in the late seventies. And I'll tell you hell or hew,
and that was when our family went to the local
drive in the theater to see a movie, of all things,
the Legend of Volge Creek, and that film just scared

(07:03):
to be Jesus out of me because of you know,
the thing trying to get into the door of the house.
And you know, after knowing Smokey for as long as
I did and talking to him and reading his book
after a while, some of this stuff, you know, might
have been kind of exaggerated in the film as compared

(07:25):
to what actually happened. But that's how I officially got
the interest. And you know, it led, one thing led
to another. It was kind of on and off. I
graduated high school in nineteen eighty one, and when I
graduated school in eighty one, my fascination was meteorology. I
could cared less about cryptozoological stuff, and I wanted to

(07:47):
become a TV weather guy. And one thing, you know,
they say, life is life is made up of a
few intersections in the highway and the highway one of
the intersections was when our family had an unusual encounter
back in nineteen seventy six, and I went to the
local library in nineteen eighty four to see if I

(08:10):
could find a book about UFOs, to see if I
could find something that looks similar to what we had
seen in nineteen seventy six. I didn't find anything, so
I thought, well, hey, here's an interesting looking book, and
it was The Sasquash The Gaps among Us by John Green,
and that's when I really started getting heavy into it.

(08:31):
But as far as my official, you know, really getting
into it would have been nineteen eighty when I wrote
the article for the Newcomberstown News about strange incidents that
had been taking place in the an area known as
Lake Llah four miles west of here.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
We don't wan a side note about that legend of
Boggy CREEKDN. You know, Bobo and I met the actor
who played the guy with the arm coming through the
wall and stuff like that, you know, the legend of
Boggie Creek with an arm coming through the window. We
met through the door. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we met that guy.
He was just an actor, of course. But I'll tell
you that scene that affected you also affected me in

(09:09):
such a way that, honestly, I'm not a proud man.
And all nobody listens this podcast so I can say this,
but I teared up when I met that guy because
of such a huge the role he played in my life.
I couldn't believe I had the honor of meeting him,
and I believe he's passed away now too, I remember, right.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yeah, that was a very interesting, very interesting part of
the movie.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
It scared the hell out of me.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah, well me and you both exactly. Yes, So yeah,
there you have it.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Okay, So you wrote this article in about nineteen eighty
or something like that, and do you remember your very
first maybe witness that you spoke to.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
As far as actual sidings are concerned, I spoke to
three of them. They were teenage boys from Newcomers Town.
I found out about this encounter as a result of
a newspaper article written on August twenty fourth or twenty
eighth of nineteen eighty four from the Newcomerstown News. There
were three boys that were down on the south side

(10:05):
of the Tuscaroas River, which runs along the southern part
of town, down at a substation, a power substation, and
they were just being typical teenage boys walking around having
a good time in late April, as spring was in
the air, and they were walking this trail and they
turned a corner in the trail and ahead of them,
standing beside a tree was what they described as a

(10:28):
seven to eight foot tall, dark brown to black hair
covered creature on two legs. Standing there pulling leaves or
something to that effect off of a tree and eating them.
They looked at each other and didn't know what it was,
and they turned around and they high tailed it all
the way back to the bridge that they had to
cross to cross the river, which was about a mile.

(10:50):
I spoke to those boys individually and as a group.
I'm thoroughly convinced that they believe they seen what they
seen that day. One of the boys' skeptical fathers, he
went down to the location with him to show him
where it was at, and they found a large human
like footprint near that tree. And the father told the boy,

(11:13):
he said, do not come back here again, because you
don't know what you're dealing with. Those are the first
three people that I actually spoke to that claim to
have ever seen anything in the Newcomers Town area or
anywhere else as far as ask concern.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Now, since that time, that's pretty old sighting at this point.
Since that time, I'm assuming I think it's a safe assumption,
perhaps that you have followed up on other reports, say
within five or ten miles of that location.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Oh, I've followed up on numerous reports from here from
within five or ten miles of here, the numbers could
easily be into the dozens. Yeah, because newcomers town. If
people don't know, it's in east central Ohio. It's on
the foothills of the Alleghanies southwestern Tuscaroras County. Not too

(12:03):
far from here in Coshocton County is what they call
the Woodbury Wildlife Area. That area is around twenty twenty
five thousand acres ten to fifteen miles as the crow flies.
South of there, along the southern parts of Coshocton northern
Muskingham County, along the Wills Creek area, there is what

(12:23):
they call the AEP cool Lands, the American Electric Power
cool Lands. It's old mining territory that they've reclaimed and
it's now considered public hunting, fishing, and hiking. All you
have to have to have is a lifetime permit to
be out there in common sense, of course, and that
area out there has tens of thousands of acres not

(12:43):
only of woodlands, but of waterways. Those areas are within
twenty five miles of me, both of them, and to
assume that there would be nothing out there would be
absolutely ridiculous because a lot of the high walls that
were left behind from the old mining days and the
AEP cool lands. I refer to them as looking at

(13:04):
the miniature Grand Canyon. They're between anywhere between forty and
one hundred feet high, and they are a spectacular site
when you find them. And the area is very wild.
If there have been reports of mountain lion, black bear, coyote,
I mean just about any kind of wild animal that

(13:26):
you don't think would be in this area has been
seen in that area.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
And of course just tons and tons of deer. And
are there any elk in Ohio? I know there's some
down in Kentucky, which isn't too far, I guess, But
I mean I've never heard of anything in the Ohio
or their elk up there.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
I don't believe, so I'm not that I'm aware of.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Okay, Yeah, that's one of the things here i'd like.
You know, obviously live in Oregon, so a lot of
people come into the shop and stuff. They start asking
questions about good bigfoot spots, and I try to bring
up Ohio because Ohio just has a ton of stuff
thanks for the thanks to the diligent researchers who live
in that state. A lot of stuff is publicly available
from Ohio. But West Coasters don't really think much about Ohio.

(14:05):
They think it's all like plains or something like that,
you know, like the east or the western part of
the state rather, But eastern Ohio is extraordinarily wooded and rough,
and there's huge patches of woods. It's fantastic habitat for
these sort of things.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
You know, it's funny you mentioned that about the West
Coasters not knowing about Ohio. One of the reasons that
I started inviting people out here to my public meeting
to speak from the West Coast was specifically not only
to entertain the audience that showed up at that meeting

(14:38):
that night, but it was to show the West Coast
researchers that indeed Ohio had what was available for any
large wild animal to exist. We weren't Columbus, Cincinnati and
Cleveland only.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
You know.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
It wasn't just large cities and flat rolling hills that
gave way to cornfields. It was you know, we're on
the foothills of the Allegheny Mountains here, and if you
fly in a single engine airplane just a thousand feet
above ground level, it's remarkable how far to the east
you can see and if you go just a little

(15:19):
further than that, I mean, you really start getting into
the rolling mountains in southwestern Pennsylvania. And like I say,
that's just that's one of the reasons that I started inviting.
I think the first person that I had out here
to speak at a regular meeting was Ray Crow, and
then the first person I had to speak at one

(15:41):
of the conferences from the West Coast was Jeff Meldrum.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
We'll be right back after these messages.

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Speaker 1 (17:40):
Well, let's talk about your meetings, because those meetings acted
as almost like a seed for this for something that
would grow almost out of control to present day. But
it really started with these small meetings that she used
to hold. So tell us about the genesis of those.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Well, back in nineteen eighty four, there was a FOLLO
about the name of Tom Archer, who lived in Rentaldsburg, Ohio,
and he was the first person that contacted me. I
should go back a little bit and say the newspaper
article that alerted me about the siding of the three
boys on the south side of town. I sent that
article to John Green. As a result, John Green sent

(18:19):
that article to Tom Archer. So would jump ahead regarding
the meetings. Tom Arsher says to me, He says, Hey,
you know what, we could have a meeting here. There's
a meeting at Alliance, Ohio called the Tri County UFO
Study Group, and they hold a meeting once every month
and people that have claimed to have seen UFOs or
abductions or whatever they go to that meeting. He said,

(18:41):
if you want to, we can go up there and
see how things go. So in October of eighty four,
myself and Tom went up to Alliance Ohio. We met
with the chairman and co chairman Jim rast ed Or
and Paul Rozick. We were very impressed on how they
handled their organization, how the meetings went, and we were
shocked at how many people came forward just at that

(19:01):
meeting to tell about UFO sidtings. So the seed was planted.
That's what happened in my mind that I started thinking,
why don't we do something like that? So in July
of nineteen eighty five we were to hold just a
one time event, and it was on July thirteenth of
eighty five. I held a meeting and I wanted people

(19:23):
to come forward who might have seen something that resembled
a sasquatch. And I contacted some people that I knew
in the media in the newspaper and Tom and I figured, well,
we'll have five or ten people show up. Nope, we
had thirty two people show up at that first meeting,
which was mind blowing to me. And we just we
got so many reports, We got one or two new reports,

(19:45):
and we got so many historical reports that after the
meeting we said, hey, this was very successful, why don't
we do this again next month? And see if we
can get more people out of the woodwork, so to speak.
In August of eighty five we had fifty six people.
Between August and September we discovered the first possible footprints,
no more than five miles from my front door, on

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the south side of Newcomers Town and in the same
area that those three teenage boys had their encounter a
year and a half prior to that. One thing just
led to another, and it was amazing on how things
just jewed together.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yeah, it's like you were like in on the ground
floor of something that was completely unexplored at the time.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
I was, And believe me, I heard my share of
people driving up and down the road yelling hey bigfoot
or making grunning noises out their car window as they
drove past. And amazingly, now thirty years later, those people
don't do that anymore.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Yeah. Somewhat vindicated, I think. Yeah. Yeah, And so you
said first, the first person you led out to speak
was Ray Crow, of course, which is the president of
the Western Big for Society. He did the track record
for all those many years. I think Bobo and I
were both members of that as well. Got the weekly
newsletter or the monthly newsletter. Rather yeah, good times. What

(21:10):
are some of the other luminaries that you invited and
successfully lured out to Ohio?

Speaker 2 (21:16):
Oh boy, Larry Lund.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Huge here of mine, huge, here of mine?

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yeah, very good fella, John Green. And I didn't lure
him out here. I can't take credit for that, unfortunately,
but he did speak at the meeting. What happened was
he was going to be speaking at the IX Outdoor
Center in Cleveland, Ohio, in January of nineteen eighty nine,

(21:41):
and he contacted me and said, Hey, I'm going to
be in Ohio. Would you be open to meet face
to face? And I said absolutely, And I'm going to
be happening to have a meeting that same weekend. You're
going to be in Ohio. Would you be willing to
do me the pleasure of speaking at that meeting? And
he said, well, of course. And that was in January
of eighty nine. And I still have that recording to

(22:03):
this day on videotape of him talking at that meeting.
Folks just loved seeing him. They picked his brain for
like an hour and a half when he was here.
John Green, I mean, there's so many of them. Tony
Healy from Australia was at my conference, and I believe
it was two thousand and five, two thousand and seven

(22:23):
to one of the two. There's so many of them.
I just sometimes the year has just been together.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
Well, how about Renee to Hindon? Did you ever meet him?

Speaker 2 (22:30):
I met Renee, but unfortunately I didn't get him out
here to speak.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Okay, what was it? What were his thoughts on big
Foot in Ohio? He's a crotchy old jerk sometimes, but
I understand a very very sweet man. I never had
a chance to meet him. But you never met Renee none.
I never met Renee. I know his son, but I
never met Renee.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Oh man, I got Renee stories like you wouldn't believe.
Well Ley went on, oh wow, Okay. In nineteen ninety seven,
I was invited to speak at the Sasquatched Symposium in Vancouver,
BC by Stephen Harvey. I had known Renee for several
years already, and Renee was going to be at that symposium. Well,

(23:11):
Renee kind of lashed on us because he wanted to
meet these Midwestern guys, you know that came out here
all the way from Ohio and Indiana and Pennsylvania or wherever.
We were walking around downtown Vancouver and we went to
grab some pizza, which was really great pizza. By the way,
I can't think of what the name of the pizza
shop was. But we're walking down the street and I'm

(23:34):
not even going to try to imitate Rene's voice, because
you know, you had that classic voice. But he says, okay,
he says, so where do you think they go during
the winter. I'm like, if I knew that, I would
have found one by now. Renee. I said, maybe they
hop on an Amtrak and go to Florida. I have
no idea. He said, no, Seriously, where do you think

(23:55):
they go during the winter? I said, well, you know,
I've given that some thought. We don't find hardly any
tracks in the snow. But my opinion is this, if
you go out to the woods and you've got half
a foot or a foot of snow on the ground,
or whatever the case may be, and you find a
large group of pine trees, do yourself a favor. Get

(24:16):
yourself underneath that group of pine trees where there's no
snow on the ground. It's all on the branches on
the outside of the forest. Notice how much the wind
is cut off. Notice how much warmer it is under
that group of pine trees as compared to what is
being bore in the elements. That's where I think they

(24:36):
go during the winter. At times, they go down underneath
the pine trees where nobody's going to go, nobody's going
to think of looking, And you know it's much warmer.
It's a natural wind to break. But you know, when
they would call me up and he would say, hey, Keating,
I know you had a conference last weekend, and I

(24:57):
know you had such and such a speaker. Okay, I'd
like to know what that speaker was talking about at
your conference. I said, well, Renee, I can tell you now.
He said, no, no, no, I know your videotaped your conferences too.
He says, what do you want for a copy of
the video? I said, gee, I don't know, Renee. I'll

(25:18):
send you a copy of the video, and then when
you get it, you let me know what you think
it's worth, and you can send me a couple bucks.
I don't care, so I said one in particular. He
was dying to know what this speaker had talked about.
And about two weeks later, I get a package in
the mail. I'm like, uh oh, he's probably sent the
video tape back. He's been out of shape, as I'll

(25:39):
get out. I don't know what I did to make
him upset, but let's see what's in the envelope. So
I get the envelope, I open it up and I
am shocked. He sent me a book. Not only was
it a book, it was a hardcover book of his
first book that he had written. The hardcover book had

(25:59):
the yellow dusk jacket cover on it. And I have
never seen that book again. I know, I know Lund
has a copy of it. I'm pretty sure he does.
But he inscribed it to me, and I was like,
so I call him up. I said, Renay, okay, I
really appreciate the book, but how much to owe you
for it? He said, what do you mean? I said,

(26:20):
you sent me a copy of the book. You know
I've got to pay you for it. I'm sure it
wasn't free to publish it. He said, no, you sent
me the videotape. I really enjoyed the video tape. You know,
I'm sending you a gift as an exchange for the
Is that enough? And I said, are you kidding? That
book still sits on my bookshelf too today, and I

(26:42):
only looked at it a couple of times because I
had read the original softcover book.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
How can you get rid of something that's priceless?

Speaker 2 (26:48):
You don't. You don't get rid of something that's priceless.
Another priceless item I have on my bookshelf as an
original from John Green Apes among Us some way or another.
The first one that I ordered off of it was lost.
I don't know what happened to it. Maybe it grew
two legs and walked away. I don't have any idea.
But John, I asked him one day on the phone.
I said, John, do you have any more original copies

(27:10):
of Apes among his hardcover? He said yeah. I said
how much do you want? He said, well, I'll send
you a copy and then get back to me and
let let me. You know, I'll tell you how much
I want. So I okay. He sends it to me.
There's things in mint condition. It's only been opened a
couple of times. He's inscribed it to me, and so
on and so on. I call him up, John, how

(27:32):
much owe you for the book?

Speaker 4 (27:34):
All?

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Nothing considered a gift? You know? You don't? How can
you like? You said, there's no way of putting a
price on stuff like that. That's stuff that will just
sit on my bookshelves and be near and dear to
my heart forever because I was I was lucky enough

(27:57):
to know these guys and lucky enough to befriend them.
I was at John Green's place for four days and
three nights in nineteen ninety seven when we went out
there to go to the ninety seven symposium in Vancouver.
He allowed us myself Dewerth Chuck's story on John Horgan.
Him and his wife allowed us to stay in their

(28:18):
house because they had built this house specifically for when
they had guests in town that were bigfooters, for them
to have a place to stay instead of spending money
on a motel. That's the kind of guy John Green was.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
We probably didn't want you guys in the real house,
you know.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yeah. But he looks at he says, okay, and he
opens two closet doors and he says, you see those drawers.
You can open those drawers and you can look at
those plaster casts, but don't you dare break them. And
he walks over, walks over to his desk and he
pulls out this filing cabinet and they're his index cards,

(28:56):
one holder after another after another. And he said, as
you can thumb through all these that you want, take
a look at him, make notes, just don't get them
out of order, and make sure you put them back
when you're done with them.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
That right, there is a priceless experience that can never
be duplicated. And you know that just to say that
you're the envy of thousands of bigfooters, you know, just
unbelievable opportunities that where you were afforded.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
It was, it was great, It was great. But other
people that I've had at the conference, you know, Igor
Birshcheff was there one time and he spoke Crow was
there at the conference and he spoke. Bob Gimlin. How
in the world tick forget? Bob Gimlin spoke at my
conference in twenty ten or eleven, I think it was
twenty ten.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
You ever meet Krantz?

Speaker 3 (29:43):
I did.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
I met him at the Vancouver BC event, And that
leads to another story. He's outside smoking a cigarette, typical
grover and I walked up to him and it was
just me because there was somebody else inside speaking, and
I was like, I don't you know, I want to
go outside and get some fresh air. So I'm like, Hi, Don, Grover,
good Don, how are you fine? So let me ask

(30:05):
you a question. What will it honestly take to prove
sasquatch exists? Because I'm of the opinion that you don't
think videotape will do it. He said, no, I don't
think it will. He said, here's what happens if you're
lucky enough to run across a dead one in the forest.
And this is what he told me. He said, if

(30:26):
you're able to, you take the hands, you take the feet,
you take the head, and you get the heck out
of there. And he said, because you get the heck
out of there, because where there's a dead one, there's
probably a pretty good chance there's a live one in
close proximity. And it's going to be a little upset
saying what you're doing to, you know, the one that's
laying on the forest floor. That's what Grover told me,

(30:49):
he said, that's what it will take to prove the
existence of sasquatch to the scientific community.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Dead one or a big piece of a dead one.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Right, yep, I've still got the eight by ten photo
of Groves and I was standing beside the building in Vancouver,
BC in nineteen eighty nineteen ninety seven.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Oh, man, I need to go to your house. Don
you have treasures I want to put my eyes on.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
I've got a lot of stuff stored away in storage boxes.
I've got so much stuff. It's just you know, Robert
Michael Pile. Uh, pictures of myself and John Green and
John's front yard of a mountain in the background. Uh,
myself and Peter Burn. You know. I was lucky enough
to meet the four original horsemen, so to speak, very fortunate.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
That, you know.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
I could feel as if I could talk to them
about anything that was on my mind. And it was
no holds borrowed. I told him, I said, tell me
what you really think. You know. Of course, Rene he
had no problem with that.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
I don't think he ran in any other gear than
that one.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
You know.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
So it was I was very fortunate to have gotten
into the game, so to speak, when I did, and
to have met these people that I did. Bob Tipmos,
I didn't get a chance to meet him because he
was in ill health when we were there in nineteen
ninety seven.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Yeah, I think he died that year.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yeah he did. Jack Lapseratis met him.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Oh he's still around. He's live and kicking somewhere up
in Washington. I think I wondered about that the other day.
In fact, I wasn't quite sure.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
So anyway, that's you know, that's a long answer to
your short question. As far as that goes. I don't
want to continue name dropping because I bore people.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Oh I love this stuff. I love this stuff because
I haven't met some of those people. And obviously everybody
you mentioned has influenced me in some way or another,
even laps Ritis, who I've never met. I'd love to
meet that guy, even though I don't necessarily agree with
his views on sasquatches. I don't care what people think.
I don't care. I'd love to meet him. So I
was kind of hoping to run across him at some point. Yeah,
big footing is like this this vehicle that brings you

(32:54):
to treasured memories and gifts that you're going to look
back upon in our old aide and say, well, that
was really cool, and that wouldn't have happened unless I
was doing this weird thing that everybody was making fun
of me about.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Right exactly, you know, there's some good memories, there are
some not so good memories. I can look back on
it now and if somebody asked me, well, what would
you do different? This is an honest answer, what would
I do different? I wouldn't have done it. I would
not have gotten involved, period. I mean, that's easy to say.

(33:27):
Hindsight is twenty twenty. But and people ask me if
I give a talk or something like that somewhere, They say, well,
if I'm interested in getting involved in the research, what
kind of advice do you have for me? And I
look at them straight faced because I'm serious, and I
say my advice to you would be don't do it,
plain and simple, don't do it because it's going to
save you a lot of headache, it's going to save

(33:49):
you a lot of money, it's going to save you
a lot of ridicule.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
But in the words of Gibbee from The Butthole Surfers,
he said, it's better to regret something you have done
than something you haven't done. So at least you're on
the right side of that one, right.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
And I wouldn't have met people like yourself. You know,
there's just so many people that I've met that I
wouldn't have met as a result of doing it. So,
you know, I guess it's kind of a two sided
a coin heads and tails. There's some days I regret
doing it, and there's other days I say, well, that
wasn't such a bad run. You know.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
We'll be right back after these messages. Well, let's talk
about some of your field work. I mean, I don't
know if a lot of people know this, but you
may have filmed one of these things at one time
and you can see that video. If people are interested,

(34:44):
you can just do a Google search don Keating Bigfoot
film or something like that, because it was featured on
a Monster Quest episode Doug Hicheck's thing back in the day. Now,
I know there's some we could probably do a three
hour show with you, and we're not going to do that,
but we do need to talk about the film a
little bit. Can What can you tell us about that?

Speaker 2 (35:02):
In nineteen ninety three, I did a six or seven
minute piece for WUAB Channel forty three news out of Cleveland.
They came down, they did a lot of field videography.
Jack Marshall was the reporter, good friend of mine now
And as a result of that nineteen ninety three news piece,

(35:26):
what happened was in ninety three later in the year,
in December of ninety three, frigid, cool temperatures outside. I'm like,
you know, really cool, and I'm like, I want to
watch some video, nothing else to do. So as a result,
I pick up a videotape off the shelf that I
had with videotapes on it, obviously, and I start watching

(35:47):
it from August ninety two, and I watched this interview
that I did with this very colorful individual whom was
very adamant that he had seen sasquatch creatures along County
Road in Coshocton County numerous times. Underscore the word numerous.
So I watched this interview with him. And after I

(36:08):
watched the interview, I thought, well, I just keep the
video rolling, not doing anything else.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Why not?

Speaker 2 (36:14):
So it comes to a video of August second, nineteen
ninety two, and what I did was I was shooting
footage of what we have nicknamed Sasquash Lake. It's not
officially called that, but we called it Sasquashed Lake. I
was shooting video of that lake. And I didn't like
the position that I was shooting, so I thought, well,
reposition myself. I've got a gold Star eight to one

(36:37):
zoom VHS camquorder on my shoulder, my right shoulder, still filming.
Didn't pause it. I'm still filming. I walk away from
the lake, take several steps, stop for a second or two,
and then I swing back around and shoot some more footage.
That leads us up to December of ninety three, because
I didn't watch that film footage the day that I

(36:59):
shot it. In fact, I don't watch that film footage
for seventeen and a half months, and so I'm watching
this video and I'm still to today. You watched a
video and you see this thing walking down the road,
and I'm like, who was that? So I watch it
again and again and again, and one thing led to another.

(37:25):
We went out there numerous times, countless times. Daniel Perez
went out there with me, and I believe it was
August or September of nineteen ninety five. We did some
very in depth investigations as far as the height of
the bushes in the background, how far away I was

(37:45):
from the road, how wide the road was approximately, how
much ground this thing covered walking down this gravel road
in the very brief time that you see it on video,
as near as we could tell. Here are some statistics.
It's on video tape for one point five seconds, one
point five to five seconds. It's between two hundred and
sixty two and two hundred and ninety two feet away

(38:07):
from me. Where I'm standing as compared to where it
was at is up a bit of an incline to
where the road is. It levels off and then the
road drops off just a hair behind where the peak
of the hill is the little hill that I'm standing
near the bottom of, and it's not really a hill,
which is flat land that tapers off down toward the lake.

(38:27):
It covered twenty eight feet give or tape, twenty eight
feet and four steps in two seconds.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
That is mind boggling in and of itself. And there
are four fence posts between me and it, whatever it is.
So we measured the fence post and from the ground up,
these fence posts are forty eight and forty nine inches high.
This thing as it walks down the road, and we

(38:59):
think it's on the far side of the road, and
now I'll tell you why in a minute. As it
walks down. It's waste. It's waste. What appears to be
the waste of this thing is higher than what the
top of the fence post are now at four feet.
That would be impressive enough, but considering the fact that

(39:20):
the road tapers off downhill and then drops off significantly
to a creek down at the bottom of the hill
on the opposite side of the road makes it even
more impressive. It walked past what we called a two
tier bush Daniel present. I measured this out. The shorter
of the two tier bushes bush was just over nine

(39:44):
feet tall. The taller one was around twelve feet tall.
This thing appears to be as tall, if not taller,
than what the shorter of these two tiered bush was.
This two tiered bush. I honestly have officially no logical

(40:06):
explanation as to what Sam Hill was contained on the videotape.
I've had a lot of people tell me, not a
lot of people. I've had one for a couple of
guys tell me, well, it's a jogger in a suit. Okay,
Well do me a favor. Let's go out there on
August second of whatever year at six twenty eight pm.

(40:26):
I'll stand where I was standing. Then I'll take a
video camera and you take a jogger in a suit
and walk him down to the opposite side of the
road and let me film him. And let's see how
similar it is to this film of August of ninety two.
I had another person tell me it was a guy
on horseback riding down the road. Really, why did it
look like a bipedal individual is compared to a quadruped horse?

Speaker 1 (40:49):
Yeah, you know, you said twenty eight feet in two seconds.
By the way, did a little type in here in
the computer here that turns out to be about nine
and a half miles an hour. Pretty good, pretty good jaunt, I'd.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Say, Yeah. I mean, you know, I might have lost
for words because I have no way to explain it.
I can't. I can't sit here and say, whoa it
was a light colored bigfoot because number one, I didn't
see it when I filmed it. And number two, do
I really know what a big foot is supposed to

(41:23):
look like? No, I mean I know what eye witnesses
Teff told us. But you know, so it's twenty eight
it covers twenty eight feet. I hadn't a person tell
me believe it or not that it was a guy
in a costume. I no, sorry, I can't buy that one.
Let me give you another example on what we did

(41:44):
to try and prove what it was or was not.
I know a guy who is six foot nine. I
had him take a very light blue colored bedsheet, wrap
it around him, cut out two ihole was in this bedsheet,
and walk down that road. Okay, to see how close

(42:06):
he was in height as compared to what this thing
was that walked down the road. And I can sit
here and swear on a stack of bibles today he
came nowhere near close as tall as that thing was,
and he was six foot nine.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
So yeah, and you know, somebody's got a lot of
explaining to do, and that I don't think. I mean,
you certainly have a little bit of explaining to do
because you're telling us all these numbers and you were
unfortunate enough not to notice it at the time. But
for somebody who says that looking for another explanation, well,
I don't know, I mean, nothing really fits the bill, right,

(42:40):
Well you could say that, yeah, yeah, nothing really fits
the bill.

Speaker 6 (42:44):
You can't nothing you can take to the bank. But
that's how bigfoots roll. I mean you've seen you've seen
the film. Anybody that watched the Monster Request episode saw
the film. The Gentleman in Minnesota, I believe he's from
the Twin Cities area that did the video work on it.
Just pull up the Ohio Grassman Monster Quest episode if
you haven't seen it, and watch it and come to

(43:07):
your own conclusion as to what it was. But I
can tell you I can assure you of one thing.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
You may think pro or con of me, and that's
fine whoever listens to this. But I can assure you
of one thing. There is absolutely no need in the
world whatsoever for me to have faked that video, because
it would have made my life that much more difficult.
It's a lot more difficult to live up to a

(43:34):
lie than what it is to live up to the truth.
And we've never been able to determine what's on the video.
I don't know if you know who the fellows are
that belonged to a group called the Enigma Project located
in Maryland. One of the guys is a fellow by
the name of Mike Frizell. Another one is a fellow

(43:55):
by the name of Marcus Adams. They seen the video,
they took a copy of the video back with them.
Marcus Adams did a lot of video work on it
as well, frame by frame. I've got a disc here
that has each individual frame on that disc. There's forty
frames in that one point five seconds that were videotaped.

(44:16):
They went out there one day with me. When they
came over here, we got two by fours. They had
a laser beam with them, a machine that emits a laser.
Did a lot of work. I've still got the video somewhere.
I believe it was in the mid nineties when it
took place. When we did it, they tried to find
out how tall this thing was. Everybody that's tried to

(44:38):
do a really good analytical work on the video and
try and find out how tall it was. As far
as I can remember, no one has come up with
anything under eight and a half feet tall.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
We'll be right back after these messages.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
It's just another piece of videotape that hasn't been explained
away yet satisfactory in my mind, and I honestly welcome
anyone who hasn't what they think is the explanation as
to what it is. All I want to do is
go out there with them and let them show me

(45:25):
how they came to the conclusion. And if they're able
to duplicate what's on the film, then all right, great,
we know what it was. But so far, no one's
invited me out to the film site with them to
see what they were able to duplicate to prove that
it's one thing or the other. So as far as
that goes, as far as I'm concerned, it's still an unknown.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Wow. And again this is just a tip of the iceberg.
I'm looking at our time thinking, man, we do need
another two hours on this one. But you know, you
were just such a wealth of knowledge and memories, far
better than mine apparently, but because you remember these names
and dates, just rattle them off. And as an example
of that, when I was out in Ohio in May,

(46:09):
I called you from the field. I called, hey, do
you have anything from this area? And you said, well,
that a lot happens there. And then then you said
wait a minute, and then you came back. Was it
Carroll County or Carrollton? You said, oh, you know. One
time I was called out there by the cops and
there's fingerprints and smudges and things, and they say, man,
you you there's police reports and your experience, your field

(46:31):
work and experience is just it's mind boggling, frankly. So
let's talk about other physical traces, because that that the
fingerprints and all that sort of stuff reminded me that
what other physical traces of sasquatches have you run across
in your in your history of bigfoot field investigation.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Well, we've seen a number of footprints in the ground
that may or may not have been you know, the
real thing I've I've seen footprints in the ground that
turn out to be fake. We know that ninety nine
point nine percent sure that they were faked. They were
hoaxed for whatever reason. But we're also we've also seen
footprints on the ground that we don't have any explanation for.

(47:14):
There have been individuals to discover some hairs that I
sent to doctor Henry Fahrenbeck as well as as there
was another one and I can't for some reason the
name escapes me, but the hairs were checked at that
point in time amongst other known primate hairs, and if

(47:38):
I remember correctly, this particular example, this sample of hairs
came back that he couldn't identify it specifically. It might
have been in the primate range of things, but it
wasn't anything that he had a sample for on file.
That set of hairs actually came from Columbiana County, and

(47:59):
I believe that was in naeen ninety five. I was
contacted about a very large what the witness called he
had an encounter. He had a siding when he was
deer hunting, and he came upon a tree as he
was walking back to his mother's property, and on the
tree he discovered what he could only describe as four

(48:23):
very large, very wide finger smudges on the side of
a tree, apparently from someone or something that had a
hand in the mud or something to that effect, and
for whatever reason, it had placed its hand on this tree.
And I didn't see the finger smudges myself, but I've

(48:45):
seen a photograph of him. These things were seven feet
off the ground. And this is also the same tree
that this gentleman pulled these reddish colored hairs off of
that he gave me a sample of that. I sent
a sample to doctor Fahrenbach. That is the kind of

(49:05):
thing that you look at and say, what does this
guy have to gain by faking something like this, by
you know, cutting the hair off of a Barbie doll
and trying to pass it off a sasquatch. I don't
know you talked about the Carroll County incident that was
in I believe April nineteen ninety five. I had a

(49:29):
gentleman tell me about a very brief mention in the
police report. The Times Reporter out of New Philadelphia used
to publish the police log on a daily basis, and
this particular entry in the police log there was a
report of regularing eyes being seen at the woodline of

(49:49):
a property in Carroll County that the Carroll County Sheriff's
Department had investigated. Okay, great, I call Matt Hesson up.
I say, hey, you want to take a ride, Let's
go to Carroll. Oh okay, let's do that. So we
get up there. I'm like really reluctant to go to
the Sheriff's department and say, hey, I'm a big footer.
Can you tell me? You know, you tell me what happened?

(50:11):
But I got up there. I talked to the gentleman.
He said, you're don keating, And I said, yeah, he said,
we were just trying to figure out how to get
a hold of you. I said, well, here I am.
They went out there and they checked this out. The
Carroll County Sheriff's Department did They lifted a fingerprint off

(50:31):
of the front window of a storm door of a
mobile home. They give me a xerox copy of that
report and of that fingerprint smudge. They still have it
in their files. This thing was huge. They couldn't describe
or explain what made this handprint on this window. It

(50:55):
wasn't just one fingerprint, it was an entire palm print,
and the four fingers and the thumb left a smudge
on this window. These are sheriff guys. They're telling me
they have no idea what this was. And I went
out and talked to the residents. They were very open

(51:18):
with me, very welcoming to my knowledge, held nothing back.
They said, you know, we can go look for some
tracks if you're interested. Okay, so we start walking up
this road. Guess what. There is a very long series
of barefooted tracks that went up the side of this

(51:38):
road that were four five feet apart from each other,
going uphill, that measured approximately I don't remember exactly what
the measurements were, but I know they were fourteen or
fifteen inches in length. All five digits showed up very clearly.
It's this kind of stuff that you have to sit back,

(52:01):
scratch your head and say, now, let's examine this and
wonder why these guys would fake this stuff. They're not
looking for publicity. They called the Sheriff's department. Sheriff's department
was very open with me. They gave me the name, address,
and phone number of the people. They were very welcoming
because they wanted to talk to someone who had done
investigations into this kind of thing to tell us about it.

(52:23):
They wanted to talk to us. That's why I started
the meetings back in nineteen eighty five. You know you
hear of support groups. I wanted to start the meetings
not only to get people to come out of the
wood work to tell about their encounters. I wanted to
start the meetings as a support group that if someone
had actually encountered this thing, or discovered footprints, or heard

(52:44):
something yell, or whatever the case may be, they would
have a venue they could go to without fear of ridicule.
That's how you get your reports. You don't broadcast or
name over the airways. You don't give their address out
an anonymity. If they ask for it, you give it

(53:04):
and you talk to these people. And that's how you
gain the trust of the general public. And I've published
next to nothing in the way of names ever. But
going back to the physical evidence, like the hand prints,
not only one, but two handprints that I've been fortunate
enough to hear about and talk to the people about.
I mean, the question is what did and the answer is,

(53:30):
I have no idea. I mean, I have an idea,
but I didn't see it happen when it happened. So
you know, there you have it.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
Yeah, have you heard them vocalized before?

Speaker 2 (53:40):
I've heard vocals in the woods numerous times.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
The one time that I heard it was on September
fifteenth of nineteen ninety one, middle of the afternoon. It
was like ninety degrees outside. Myself and another fellow by
Themaric Rick Morris, were during research again in kush Auckton County.
The only thing that I can describe it like it
would be a mournful cry. And that's that's That's the

(54:08):
one noise that I've heard of all the times being
in the woods that I think could have been the
legitimate thing. Just once, uh, just just the one time. Yeah,
I've heard a lot of noises in the past that
could be something else, because you know, the forest distorts
the sound. If you're in a patch of woods and
you hear the noise, is it in the same patch

(54:28):
of woods that you are, or is it outside of
that patch of woods and you're catching it through the trees.
So I'm not really I've heard other noises that could
be but that one time, I'm really really high up
on my list that you know, could have been the
real thing.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
I haven't heard Ohio.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
I've heard it from what Matt recorded, but I've never
heard heard it in the field.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
So what are you doing nowadays with bigfoot on? I
mean you just kind of hang up the syrups a
little bit, or you're dipping your feet back in the pool.
What are you doing?

Speaker 2 (55:00):
I had gotten out of it since about twenty twelve,
and then last year year before last fell by the
name of David Wickham from Kushocton, Ohio, fifteen miles down
the road for me. He contacted me and wanted to
meet up talk about some of the stuff that I've
investigated and things like that. One thing led to another

(55:21):
and he said, hey, listen, I'm seriously considering about getting
a conference together. Would you be interested in speaking? And
I'm like, I had split decision on that. I was like, dude,
I'm not doing anything with Bigfoot. I don't want to
get back into it. And at the same time, I'm
thinking this would be a great avenue for me to

(55:42):
go talk talk about some of the more interesting stuff
that's happened in my past and to set the record
street on a couple of things. So I'm not into it.
I'm not back into it full time, not even really
part time. Just from time to time I'll cruise the backroads,
you know, and try to do some wildlife photography, and

(56:04):
if something out of the ordinary happens, well, so be it.
But I recently wrote a small booklet titled Big Dreams
and Bigfoot, and I quoted a memoir because it's how
I when I started out as a kid, like I
told you earlier, wanted to be a TV meteorologist, And

(56:25):
instead of being a TV meteorologist, I ended up being
a paranormal researcher cryptozoologist as they say, And you know,
I talked about some of the most interesting stuff that
has happened in my lifetime doing the investigations, and so

(56:45):
that's kind of like where I'm at today. Every now
and then I'll get somebody ask me, Hey, anything new
going on. I look at him like, do I have
a third eyeball growing on my forehead? I'm not doing
active investigations, and so no, I don't know of anything new.
I tried to distance myself away from it as much

(57:05):
as I possibly can because I've found a certain amount
of peace from getting out of it, and it's kind
of like the way I would like to keep it.
Although I've showed up at the Ohio conference at Salt
Fork the last couple of years just to visit with people,
and then I've shown up at the Sasquatch Triangle conference

(57:27):
that David started in Cushocton, so I've got a little
bit of input on that. But that's where I'm at today.
You know, if anybody wants tell me about their story,
I'll be happy to listen to them and even go
out to the spot and see what it looked like
where they had the encounter. But I don't go out
of my way like I used to. I used to

(57:47):
go out into the woods every weekend from nineteen eighty
five all the way through two thousand and ten, twenty eleven,
twenty twelve. You know, if I could have the money
back just from gasoline, i'd be a rich person.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
You know, it sounds like you're you're bowing out of
the field. Kind of coincided with the start of finding
Bigfoot and the huge influx of newbies and everybody else
coming on board. So good timing on your part, I think, yeah,
I agree with you. Well, all right, don thank you
so much for coming on Bigfoot and beyond. I know

(58:22):
you don't grant a lot of interviews, and I'm just
so very thankful that you grace us with your presence
and because you're you're for me a glimpse into the
history of the subject. And that's not because you're old
and stuff. Don't take don't take that. Don't take it
like that. You're not that much older than me. But
I see this thing as I see the Bigfoot history
as a generational thing. You know, there's like the pre

(58:43):
history and whatnot, and then there's the four Horsemen, which
are kind of the first generation. But then there's you,
there's you and literary lund and people like that, and
then you go to the next generation, and I kind
of see myself as part of the third or even
fourth generation of Bigfooters coming up. So when I get
to speak to an elder statesman like yourself, someone who
was there, who had boots on the ground, who was

(59:05):
pioneering in a state that no one had touched and
no one really took seriously beyond perhaps John Green and
a small handful of other people's, it's just a great
pleasure for me personally to get a glimpse into that
history from a witness of that history, and the fact
that I can call you a friend and call you
at any time, it just means the world to me.
So thank you so much, Don for everything, and probably

(59:28):
not the least of which coming on the podcast.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Well, thank you very much, Cliff for the kind words.
I really appreciate it. You know, I have John Green
to thank for me getting involved, and I appreciate your time,
and I appreciate you asking me to be on the show.
I had fun. And if you ever need a time
filler or anything like that in the future, you know,

(59:53):
give me a call. I'll be happy to do it.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
Oh fantastic cool.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
Yeah, thanks a lot, Don. I appreciate you. I've always
looked up to you in a well respect the name
in the bigfoot community, so I really appreciate you coming
on with us.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Thank you, Bobo. It was good talking to you again.
And hopefully someday down the road we can sit down
and share a beverage and talk some stories.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
I love that, all right, Don, will you take it easy?
Thank you so much again, Thank you. Well, there you go, Bobs.
How was that man?

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
That was great? I didn't talk much because it was
he just he knew what to say and just kept rolling. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
It's one of those things like I like, how much
do I ask questions? I just want to listen, you know, Yeah,
I just want to I don't want to interrupt any
stories and whatnot. But but there are so many things
I wanted to ask him about. Well, I mean, Ohio
is just the gift that keeps on giving man. So
many good researchers, so many bigfoot reports and whatnot out
of there thanks to the bigfoot researchers out there, and
such a long history of it too. It was so

(01:00:47):
cool to have Dawn on tonight just because I mean,
I Bob, I know, Bobo that you're like me, that
you just love the history of this subject that we're
swimming in. It's just so neat to have people on
that who knew everybody and saw everything.

Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Yeah, I mean in Ohio. I mean that's that's the
episode on The's the Mississippi for sure?

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Yeah, I think so, I think so too. Well. All right, well,
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