CLASSICS (Bonus Episode): Michael's Mysterious Neighbors!

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And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay.
Hello Cliff, Hello Bobo. How are you doing today?

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Excellent?

Speaker 1 (00:34):
How are you not so bad?

Speaker 3 (00:37):
So?

Speaker 2 (00:37):
What do you got a lot of up for today? Cliff?

Speaker 1 (00:39):
I have something fantastic lineups for today.

Speaker 4 (00:43):
You know this guy?

Speaker 1 (00:44):
I know this guy. I consider him a very very
good friend of mine. I've known him for years, met
him through Bigfoot and stuff. But people out there don't
know him, and they're going to continue not knowing him
because he's a very very private individual and he also
has sasquatch on his property. He has had a couple
glimpses of these things. His wife has had a number

(01:05):
of really interesting observations, and even his daughter has had observations.
And we think it's a fantastic steady site where people
are continuing to live and document things and are interested
in the Bigfoot deal. So we have a long term
witness with us. Tonight, Michael is going to be with us.
He's a long term witness somewhere in the state of Washington.

(01:28):
And Michael, welcome to Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
the Bobs.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, Michael, right on. It's great to hear you guys. Awesome,
great to be on the show.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
You're here to talk about some of the amazing events
that have happened on your property. So why don't we
rewind a little bit and start with when you moved in,
or maybe even before that, why you chose this location
to live, and then the consequences of choosing this location.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, we were needed to leave California for business reasons.
It was just getting too small business unfriendly down in California.
So we moved up here in twenty eleven, and we
wanted something kind of remote, something that wasn't you know,
like in the middle of a big, heavy metropolitan area
and you know, being in the middle of the forest.
You know who everybody's dream would be to have a

(02:19):
beautiful cabin in the forest. So we kind of found
that and we got a little more than we bargained for,
and it's it was kind of unwelcome at first, you know,
when we first had something happen. You know, I was
ready to just put the house up on the market
and get the hell out of here. But good guys
like David Ellis talked me down and said, oh no, no,
this is really great, this is great stuff, you know,
and convinced me to stay. Your place is so it's

(02:43):
my dream place.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
It's I mean, it's conveniently located, but you're by yourself
into the road. Beautiful, beautiful house she got for a steal,
and I mean it came with big flats.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
It's just unreal. Yeah, it should be on the disclosure form,
just like if anybody died in the home or it
was a meth lab, it should say if there was
a bigfoot on the property. It should be in the
real estate disclosures when you buy.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
Absolutely it will be when they're classified. It will be
definitely for California vis yellow List all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Whenever I look at real estate listenings and I see
like abundant wildlife, I assume they're talking about sasquatches.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, freaking positive.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah, because yeah they're not gonna they're going to less bigfoot,
but they might say abundant wildlife, especially for the problem
mat So what was the first indication that there was
something weird happening on the property there.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Michael, Well, the first thing that happened, we had no
idea could possibly be saucequatch related. We had zero clue.
But the second night we were here, my wife woke
up to something striking the bedroom wall right behind the
headboard of the bed extremely hard, so much that she
popped out of bed and landed on the floor, you know,

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like how somebody can jump out of their shoes when
they're scared. And that happened the second night we were here,
and then a couple of nights later, I went to
one end of the house after I'd turned off the
lights for the night, and I went to get something
out of the living room, and something hit the wall
of the house. And I didn't know what to think.
I mean, my mind raced from everything of a deer

(04:15):
striking the house, fleeing, a cougar too. Maybe it was
blue ice discharge out of a jet on its way
to sea tack. I had no idea, but whatever it was,
it scared me so much that I went running to
the far end of the house and got my rifle
and came back and turned on the outside lights, and
of course I didn't see anything by that point, but
it was quite startling. But I did not have any

(04:36):
idea it was Sasquatch at that point until December of
that year, when our employee that we had on the
property actually had a visual sighting and the Olympic Project
came and took the report and they asked if anything
unusual it ever happened, and that's the only thing I
could think of, And they gave this knowing nod and
smile amongst each other, and We're like, what are you
guys smile on about? And that's when we found out

(04:57):
that it's kind of common for them to do that,
and it wasn't well known, Like I don't think it
was ever mentioned on a TV show before then. But
people talk about house slaps now all the time, but
back in twenty eleven, you could scarcely hear anything talked about.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
You guys were on a TV show with Derek Randalls
on What Destination in America.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, yeah, just really briefly. We were in the opening it.
It was kind of a fun experience. It was when
Derek told his story about getting rocks thrown at him
in some hiking buddies up here in the Olympics.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
So your employee, he's a gardener, if I remember right,
and tell us a little bit about his account, and
then we want to get to your actual immediate family
after that, and the things that you've experienced over the
year and the variety of things you've experienced.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Oh sure, yeah. Well, he was working on a keystone
block retaining wall because we live on a rather steep hill.
That's why we have such a great view as the
hillside is so steep, and he kept hearing something all week,
something rather large, moving up the creek up slope just
beyond where he was working, and it was frightening him enough,

(06:02):
you know, the sound of whatever big it was moving
that he was convinced it was going to be a
bear or a cougar. And he requested if it was
possible he could keep a rifle with him while he worked,
and I said, sure, I don't have any problem with that,
I said, but if you hear it, you know, go
shoulder it up and you know, look down the sites
and get a look at what's making the sound so

(06:24):
you can demystify it and just see if it's an
elk or a deer or something, and he said that
he would, and we went into town for some errands
and came back. We had forgotten something and he was
all in a tizzy and talking him one hundred miles
an hour, and he said, I saw one. I saw one,
and I saw what he says, I saw a bigfoot,

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and we just I immediately dropped everything I was doing,
forgot about going back into town, and I ran and
got my rifle, because you know, that's something huge and unexplained,
you know, I want to be protected. I didn't know.
I really don't think I would have shot it, but
I went down to where he saw it, and I
descended down the hill and I just became overcome with fear,

(07:08):
like hold it. I can actually feel this thing walking.
I could because I was the hillside was so steep.
I was half laid against the hillside with my back
sliding down this extremely steep slope, and I could feel
something thumping the ground walking away, and it just was
if I can feel something walking away, it's that big.
I don't want anything to do with getting closer to it.
And that was it for me. So went back up

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to the house. But he had a fantastic view of
it when got him to explain exactly what happened. He'd
heard something, so he'd crept up to the edge, shouldered
his rifle and he just had a red dot, non
magnified sight on it and looked over the side and
the field of view was completely filled with its face.
It was only about thirty feet down slope from him,

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and he just stared at it for you know what
he said, felt like forever. It was probably thirty seconds.
And then he looked slightly to the side and looked
down and saw the shoulder and the length of the arm,
and just became overcome with fear and ran up to
the house and was pounding on the door and begging
our teenage daughter, who since moved out, to let him
in the house immediately because he was terrified.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah, I heard one when I was camping it right
where he saw it. I was camped on that little
flat there, and it was definitely one that walked up
there when I didn't see it, but it came right
up and breathed pretty hard. And when I met you're
a worker when he was working down on the same spot,
and this was years later, he had a big ak
forty seven with a thirty round banana clip in it.
Like he's like, he would not would he would not

(08:36):
be more than five feet from that rifle the whole
time he was working.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
That's right. Yeah, And when you heard it, you had
Murphy's lost strike, you had freshly loaded batteries in your
fleery in it, and it wouldn't fire up all of
a sudden, and you're yelling for Flippy and he couldn't
hear you. That might be Bobo's law, to be fair, Well,
you did name your your bigfoot replicas Murphy. Yeah. Yeah,

(09:02):
all equipment stuff seems to go wrong.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
I just want to give credit where credit is due
as far as bad luck goes. So, yeah, Bobo's the
luckiest guy I know. Unfortunately, luck flows in two flavors,
good and bad.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
You know, I didn't want to interrupt your flow though,
on your history of your encounters.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Yeah, so after your gardener saw one, how long I
mean's okay? So there must have been a huge paradigm
shift in the family. There is like, holy crap, they're
real what do we do about this? And how long
did it take for the next event to happen? Next?

Speaker 2 (09:33):
That happened that sighting of his happened December twenty third,
twenty eleven, and the next sighting my wife had January fourteenth,
the next month. It was our first snow that we
had we moved to the property. We woke up to
softly falling snow and it was just that beautiful quiet

(09:54):
that you get when the snow is just falling all
around your real peacefully, you know, no wind, And she
walked off into the snow to just take a walk
around the property and enjoy it, because it was there
was already a foot down everywhere. And I saw her
go out there. I'm like, oh, she's leaving me behind.
And I quit put on a robe and some boots
real quick and went out there. And just before I
caught up to her, she comes walking back very quickly

(10:18):
with this horrified look on her face. And I said
what what? And she said, I just saw it, and
she pointed where she had seen it. And I ran
over there and saw where she was pointing, and it
was it was pretty close. It was probably sixty feet
sixty five feet. It just kind of leaned out from
behind a tree, and she got a nice good silhouette
of it. Because the rising sun at like eight thirty

(10:41):
in the winter was right behind where it was, and
then it just moved away. That's cool, But at the
time I had horrifying Yeah, and what did she think
of it? What does she think about this? She thought, well,
she's quite the nature lover. She thought it was really awesome.
I mean, this isn't something that you ever imagine you're
going to see. You can't plan to see it. I mean,
nobody can say, hey, I'm going to go see a

(11:02):
big foot today. So it just happens, and it always
takes you by surprise, you know, So I guess she
just has a better way of dealing with it. Then Jeff,
Jeff was overcome with fear, and she was more in
awe and you know, kind of awestruck. And so now
it's leaving me kind of out because I'm the one
who always kind of had an interest in this because
of the family history with it, there being a sighting

(11:23):
in the family back in nineteen fifty five. So for
those two to see it and not me, I felt
really left out. And then I continued to feel left
out when for six years before I finally had my
brief little glimpse of it.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
So during that six year period, how many other sightings
had happened on or very close to your property, And
you can you can count the shadows running past the wind.
I count those as sidings, by the way.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, if we count those, it would be it would
be dozens. It just happens a lot, but it's not predictable.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
And before you saw one. So all these people are
are you know, are winning, winning the gambling game, and
yet you're not getting anything.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, house guests, temporary workers, you know, everybody in the
family except me.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
You know.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
That's where when we had RPG on, RPG told a
story about when he got lost on a maybe for
a barbecue that was Michael's house and it was less
than a mile away where him and talking baby heard
that two giant, super giant.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
One and then another one walk away.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
And then when Michael describes what he saw, when you
remember when RPG described how big this thing was walking
with the sound of it in the ground shaking, and
how far the steps were, and when Michael describes what
he saw being less than a mile where RPG had
his experience, I think it was the same one.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
You know. I heard the RPG show and I started
to wonder, am I the musician RBG was talking about,
and because because the way it described how he couldn't
find the house and he just kept going up the mountain.
I'm like, that happens all the time when people try
to come here. Oh that's cool. I had no idea.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
We'll be right back after these messages.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
So tell us what you saw. Oh what I finally saw.
April second, twenty seventeen, so we're like a month away
from the anniversary of it coming up again, and I
was totally unprepared. I didn't have a phone on me nothing.
I had just gone outside to feed the cat and
saw that we had had like kind of a windstorm

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the night before and had blown down a bunch of
flower pots that were stacked up behind the garage and
kind of scattered them down a hill that was covered
in ferns into the older part of the forest where
there's no leaves in early April, so it's just all
barren trees. And I was just picking my way down,
stacking pots inside each other to bring them back up,
and I heard something snap on a low rise about

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eighty yards directly east of me, and I snapped my
head very quickly right at where the sound came from,
just in time to see something just huge take a
step between two trees or finished taking a step. I
guess the lead step is what broke the dry rot
branch that was on the ground under the ferns that
it didn't see either, So when it snapped that, I

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turned my head fast enough to see the trailing step
catch up with the lead step, and then it just
stood still behind a seat. There was two seaters right there,
the only cover in the whole area, in this whole
barren zone where it's mostly alders, and I just my
first thought was, what the hell is a giant dude

(14:33):
in a gilly suit doing hunting on my property this
early in the morning, you know, Like my first thought
it was somebody in a gilly suit, It wasn't bigfoot.
And then it slowly dawned on me the distance I
was looking, and how big it was, and how it
wasn't moving anymore. I was just like, oh, hold it,
this couldn't even be somebody not that big, and I

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started to take a few steps. After a couple of minutes,
I wanted to kind of try to flank it and
just try to get a better view, maybe get around
the hill enough so that I could see behind the
tree if it was just going to remain stationary. And
as soon as I took three or four steps, the
trees went from being kind of like an open little
pass where I could see through eighty yards of trees

(15:15):
right at it, to being totally eclusive wall of tree.
So I lost sight of it, and I ran back
to where I originally was, and it was gone.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
Then Ron Morehead, Ron Moorehead came by of Sierra Sounds Fame,
and he did a size comparison for you.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Yeah. Yeah, he was visiting his brand new grand baby
that had just been born and came back and he
was there within thirty minutes of my sighting. And I
walked him to where I had seen it and stood
him there, and then I went back and took a
picture of him, and he took a picture of me,
and I had him right where it was and where
it's hip socket rotated, where I saw the trailing leg

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pick up and rotate forward at the hip that was
exactly even with his clavigal notch base of his neck,
which is roughly five feet off the ground, so its
leg was five feet long from hip socket to ground
and all the sightings from the one that our worker
had seen to the one my wife had seen multiple
times every time I've asked them where was its head,

(16:15):
because they never saw the whole body. They only saw
the upper half or just the shoulders and head, and
they tell me where it was, and I'd market and
when I get to where it was, I put a
tape measure up and try to get height on it.
And it's consistently like nine foot seven, nine foot eight
every single time, including my sighting. So it's the same
one over the course of you know, all these years.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
And how many do you think you have around?

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Judging by this is the one that we see at
night is maybe seven feet the one that ran past
the windows and stood up behind an outdoor table set
that was, you know, outside the TV room. When i'd
shut off the lights, I saw that something stand up
and then squat right back down. That one. Just judging

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by that, there's got to be two. But I highly
doubt that, you know, an old male and a young
male would move around as a family group without a mother,
or you know, a family group like you know all
greater primates with traveling so and judging by also some
of the sounds we've heard, where it sounds like children

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playing in a deep dark part of the woods where
I know there's no children, would leave me to believe
that it's a family unit with all different ages and
this is just assumption, but you know, it's just it's
a good guess.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Yeah, Now, are they all the same color where you
are or is there a way to differentiate them by
that if you had a chance to see one under
light or during the day or something. Are there's any
information on that?

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Well, the one that I had seen it was it
was an overcast day and the sun was just almost noon,
so it was perfectly flatly illuminated, no heart shadows, but
it wasn't backlit, and it just was so flat black.
It wasn't shiny like a bear like oily fur. It
was not shiny at all. It was so dull. That's

(18:04):
why I thought it was like a gilly suit, because
they can spray paint those matte black all the tide
string real gilly suits. So it was just flat black
and it perfectly blended in with the look of the
shadows in a forest where you just see the darkness
between trees as you're walking in the forest during the day.
It was just exactly that color. And our worker had

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seen that it was that color also, and my wife
it was just dark, not inky black, but not brown
and not red.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Okay, So you have at least two, like a real
big one and then a seven and a half ish
or something like that. Is there one that seemed more
often than the other.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Well, the daytime one because we're outside more at day.
My wife has had three daytime sightings, and then I
had my one, and then my daughter had two, one
at three years old and one at four years old
that were quite compelling and really shocking.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
You know.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
When when it happened, I was like, well, like, she's
seeing it before I saw.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
It, and of course now and her being so young,
you guys didn't preper like, hey, there's giant hair covered
men like things running around the problem that you clearly
didn't do that it would scare the hell out of her.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
No, we were very pointed to never say the word
bigfoot sasquatch talk about it around her. We don't have
any illustrations or book covers out. We didn't want her
to be afraid of nature. And then after she saw it,
you know, we had a little explaining to do.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Yeah, well, tell us about that that event, like that
day when she saw it, and how that unfolded that one.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
The first time was it was about nine in the morning,
and I had already been up and it was a cold,
kind of dewey, wet morning, and I had already put
on my puffy jacket with a hood and gone down
and fed the chickens and you know, let them out
of their coup and collected eggs and everything, and come
back up to the house. And then I was just
sitting quietly in the office, you know, reading online, and

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my wife got up and had her coffee, and my
daughter was playing on her and like standing on her
lap on this big overstuffed chair that she was sitting on.
And I hear my daughter say, where's daddy going? And
she jumps down off the chair, and I hear her
run to the side and glass door, you know, directly
away from where I really am, and I hear her

(20:20):
slapping on the glass with her hand, you know, bang
bang bang, daddy, And then she screams and she runs
back towards my wife, and she's saying not daddy, monkey man,
and that At that point, I'm up off out of
the desk and I'm running out there. What'd you see?
What do you see? It was? You know? And she
was terrified. I mean her face was flushed and she

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was really scared. So I went I immediately went outside
when my wife said, you know which way she was
facing and everything. And I get outside and she runs
to the door and she starts hitting the glass, saying, Daddy,
don't go out there, don't get hurt like And she'd
never worried about me going outside before, so whatever it
was that scared her, but just by its appearance, she

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was afraid it was going to hurt me. So I
went back and I opened the door and I picked
her up and I said, no, no, it's okay, I'm
not going far. Just show me where it was. And
we walked to the edge of our concrete patio and
she pointed, and it was right in the tall grass
that I hadn't walked in that leads down to where
the chickens are. There was massive impressions in the tall

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grass that the wild grass was about two and a
half three feet high at that point, and it was
matted down in these big steps coming up from that
area and then down into the creek. So what she
thought was me was probably seeing it from behind as
it was turning to go towards the creek. You know,
a pointed head and black. That would be like Daddy

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wearing his puffy jacket with the hood pulled up. And
then she slaps on the window and it turns around
and she screams, not daddy, monkey man. So it just
all made sense. That hill sounds like a cliff too.
I mean it's steep and rugged, it's gnarly. Yeah, it's
so it's almost impassable for people. I mean you really
have to make an effort to do anything on that thing.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
And just think all the times if it hadn't stepped
on that stick, or if Rebecca hadn't been looking. Just
think of all the times that.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
They've even that close and just didn't realize it. Oh yeah,
and if we spent more time outdoors, you know, because
a lot of times it's just too cold or too wet.
You know, if we spend as much time outdoors as
like the natives did when they were in this area,
we probably have just as many encounters.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
You got that cool story about the writer that told
you that, or you read that story, did you if
he told you or you read it about back in
the days with the natives of the canoes down there.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeah, he's a fishing guide out here on the Olympic
Peninsula and he wrote it up in one of his books.
But I heard him talk about it at a speech
that he gave it a library, and when he was
talking about it, it was the area just pinpointed exactly
where we're at. And I talked to him afterwards, and
it's really yeah, it's very compelling. And so the story

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goes two or three hundred years ago. The natives would
paddle their canoes to the foot of a very small bay,
and that when the tide goes out, it goes out
really far because it's very shallow the last half of it.
And then they'd leave the children in the canoes and
collect shellfish on the way out following the tide, and
then return to the boats as the tide came back in,

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and returned back to the village with all the fish
or the shellfish they'd gotten all out there, and they
heard a scream and the kids were screaming, and they
looked and there was a female sasquatch or Siatko as
they call them out here, carrying one of the small
children off into the forest. And the adults could not
get back to shore fast enough to interfere. But they

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did get back to the canoes and then go get
a war party. And the story goes it took them
a full day of tracking and coordinating to pin it in,
and when they did, the child was deceased. At that point,
I guess in partially consumed. And they killed the sasquatch.
And it's not one of their miss it's it's considered

(24:06):
a historical story. It's not a tale to teach a lesson.
It's a real historical event. Did you say it killed
the sasquatch. Yeah, they the Indians killed it. Well, they
attracted and got it. Yeah, it took them twenty a
full day to do so.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah. If I may just interject that once again, Sasquatches
are not your forest friends, man are. These are wild animals,
and the scariest kind of wild animal. Human wild animals,
human like wild animals. They're just like chimpanzees in Africa
in times of duress or starvation. They I don't think

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are above eating anything. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and
Beyond with Cliff and Bobo will be right back after
these messages.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Yeah, a lot of people people didn't understand why after
just a couple of sightings on the property, I still
hadn't seen it. But I just stopped going outside at night,
Like I rushed to feed the cats in the winter
before it got dark, and that meant feeding them by
four and running back in the house. But if somebody
had told me there's a there's a pissed off chimp
on the loose, I wouldn't be outside. I'd be inside

(25:20):
behind locked doors. And this thing is way bigger than
a way more powerful. Now.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
One of my favorite little antidotes anecdotes of you moving
into that spot is when the previous owner dropped by
just I guess maybe a few months you correct me
if I'm wrong, or tell out of the story when
you get to and asked you about how everything's going.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yeah, that was kind of funny because he built the house,
you know, he was the one who developed the property
and built the house. And our nearest neighbors is his
daughter and son in law and their three kids, and
the next neighbor down the hill is his brother, so
it was a real family venture out here on this hill.
He said, soever, it's everything going. And my wife looked
at him and said, you have something explaining to do,

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and he kind of laughed and he said, oh, like
what And she says, oh, I don't know. Things beaten
on the house, you know, giant hair covered things moving
around the forest. And he goes, oh that. And then
he opened up and had a lot of things to
share about where they were at what times, and where
he'd seen tracks and trails and he haven't found bedding site,
you know, way up the creek. So he had a

(26:26):
lot to say about it. After the sale of the
house was complete and we were already moved in, I
wish she would have shared a little bit beforehand.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
I'm so glad he didn't.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Well, you guys low balled so hard. He didn't want
to give you any pointers. Hey, the housing market had collapsed.
It wasn't our fault.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
And then I love this question because you know, I
consider you a very good friend and I try to
catch up with you whenever I can. And my favorite
question to ask you whenever I speak to you, and
this is non lenear, and I apologize about that. So
what's the last thing that happened? Because you always have
something cool going on, and it's like, oh yeah, like
last week or two nights to go, or you earlier
in the month. There's always something going on. So what

(27:04):
do you have now? Because I'm going to ask you
that I've.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Been indoors a lot, you know, with this health concern,
so I haven't really been outside too much. But the
last thing was my wife heard something just out of
the range of the light in the carport when she
went into town and came home kind of late from
the store, before the clocks had changed, and she was

(27:27):
pretty convinced what it was. And there was kind of
like a low chuff, you know, like the whole type sound.
And that was just the last thing. It wasn't that
big of a thing, but it was like, oh, you
know that. I mean, it could be bear. But with
our experiences here, we've actually never seen a bear on
the property. We've never gotten a picture of a bear
on a trail camp.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
You know. That brings up an interesting point, and something
that I find so interesting about your house is that
once you figured out what was going on, you started
trying to prepare yourself for in some sort of ways.
I think that if I remember, you have some sort
of sensor on all four sides of your home, so
you can tell where something is moving because it rings
a certain chime.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Is that correct? Yeah? I actually had sixteen sensors all
laid out in a circle around the entire livable area
of the property, not in the woods, but right at
the woodline, and each zone plays a different sound, and
it only is triggered up by motion, but by body heat.
So a vehicle would set it off if it was

(28:29):
pointed at the driveway, but it would take something having
normal body heat to set it off. And it's a
system called guardline, And so I have those so we
can kind of track where something is outside. Like you
could walk a circle around my house and they'll play
all these different little tones as you walk in a circle.
Pool it's like a kinetic sculpture, sculpture of music or
something very artistic of you. Now, also you have motion

(28:52):
sensor lights obviously, and you've certainly deployed game cams and
stuff so far. But what I found so interesting, and
this might have been the last time I had a
chance to come up and visit with you guys. Is
that you were describing the places where your daughter had
seen one and where this or that had happened. And
it's always just out of reach of the motion sensors,

(29:14):
Like they have the place pinned down, They have it
nailed where if they move there, a light goes on,
but if they stay here, a light does not. Yeah,
so obviously they're tripping it. When I put up a
new motion sensitive light or sensor, they're tripping it. And
we're not seeing it, you know, because we're not up
all night staring out every window in every direction. So

(29:35):
it just has to go off once and they know, oh,
I can't walk past this point. And I'm sure they're
really fast learning. It's just like we are, you know,
don't touch the stove and it's hot. But so they
get to a certain distance from a certain side of
the house and a light comes on, they just stop
just short of that. So it's the way that I
have them kind of set up. I just have them
set up in blind spots where I don't want something lurking.

(29:57):
I don't really have the whole area covered. I just
want to know that if I go out to the
garage if that light isn't on, something is not lurking
just around the corner, and I don't have to worry
about it. So I do it mostly for my own
mental health. I'm not doing it to really keep them away.
I just want to know if something's there. And I
had found some big tracks when we came back from

(30:18):
a trip to southern California to go to Disneyland. I'd
seen big tracks in the tall grass on another side
of the property between the workshop and the garage, and
I was like, how the heck did it walk there
and not set off these motion lights. So I waited
until evening with my wife, and then I traced the
path that the things were and it went right in

(30:38):
between where the two sensors did not overlap, so it
was able to come up really close and stand right
behind the tank. And I had the feeling that I
was being watched when we'redoing our luggage and the next
morning is when I found the marks. And when I
stood there right where the track stopped, you could just
see a sliver of exactly where I was standing at

(30:59):
the back of the car unloading the suitcases out of
the car that night prior.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Now you've pulled. You've pulled a couple of footprints too.
I mean, I know most of your property is like
tall grass and places that you can see where something
moved through, but you wouldn't be able to pull any
footprints proper. But you have actually pulled at least one
cast out of there.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Yeah, I have two casts. And the second one was
just by your urging. My wife was like, oh, it
isn't that great. I wouldn't bother casting it, but you
you got me to do it. But I used old
plaster and it took, you know, like two months for
it to cure, and it broke into five pieces when
I pulled it out.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
But I'm still coming up to fix it. Don't worry
about that.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
But the first one was really interesting. My wife had
seen a kind of a large shadow out the windows
at night because that the background light was more scattered
and just dark gray, and there was this like rather
large black shadow, and every time she turned her head
and looked that way, it seemed to like get lower
and dip out of the way. So when she was

(31:58):
watering that area the next day or a couple days later, actually,
she noticed an impression and she called me over there
and We had just put heavy peat, moss and soil
in that garden bed, so it had pushed it down
really good, but it also was starting to spring back up.
So I cast that. It's a gigantic cast, but it

(32:18):
came out really good, and I Meltrum actually could see
all kinds of morphology in it that I couldn't see,
and he was quite taken with it. So it got
the thumbs up from Jeff. I felt good about it.
I'm glad I cast it, you know, so I have
at least one tangible good thing. How big is it?
It's almost exactly the size is the track at Bluff Creek,
So it was at like sixteen something. So that was

(32:40):
the nighttime one, the one that was seven foot roughly.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
And I'd forgot about that one in the garden that
broke too. That was just recently. That was a last year,
wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
Yeah. And you had that cool handprint too, oh on
the steel roof.

Speaker 4 (32:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Yeah, And there's a display. You were kind enough to
let us use photographs of that for a display here
North American Bigfoot Center. So anybody who's been through the
museum has actually seen a photograph of a handprint on
top of Michael's roof in the dust it tell us
about what happened.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Then, well, that was kind of interesting. The whole front
of our house is all glass, you know, because it's
the big expanse of view, you know, off the hillside,
and there's one spot where there isn't glass, and it's
about six to seven feet wide, and if you were
to stand in that spot and just lean over slightly,
you could see in through the big view windows and

(33:31):
see into my office where I sit at my computer.
So I was at my computer late late one night
and just the house started thumping, like somebody was stomping
their feet coming closer to the office. And I thought
I had upset my wife by having my sound too loud,
so I was like, oh, I'll turn it down. I
kind of got up and looked, and she wasn't there,
and I was like, hold it. And I went and

(33:52):
checked in the bedroom and she sound asleep, and I'm like,
that wasn't in the house. Where was it? But I
knew what direction it came from, and it was coming
from that one spot where there is no window. So
went to bed and then I told my wife in
the morning, I said, I think something was thumping on
the house that might have been on the roof. So
we went outside and we looked up and boom, there
was a handprint like it was just boom, boom, boom.

(34:14):
You know, it was several strikes. It wasn't just one.
But there's one good handprint out of it. And when
I did the measurements that the shoulder socket. For something
to move its arm laterally and then place the hand
at that point on the roof, the shoulder socket would
have to be almost eight feet off the ground.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
When I was there, I got up on a ladder
and with your help, we measured it and film some
of it too. And I think the hand, if I remember,
it was over eleven feet off the ground.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Yeah. I couldn't even come close to touching the gutter
below it on my tippy toes and I'm six foot three.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
We'll be right back after these messages. One of the
most interesting things about it, besides handprints, are rat But
I was there two years after it happened, and you
could still see it despite the rain, the snow, the pallen,

(35:17):
the sun. Everything. You could still see it. Like I
had to get down and kind of use the sun
and get reflections of the metal roof there, but you
could still see the thing. It had been two years.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Yeah, these green steel roofs out here in the Pacific Northwest,
they just collect this light yellow pollen all the time,
and so whatever it was hit the roof, it lifted
a layer of pollen or several layers of pollen off,
So it was like a negative impression, you know. So
as more pollen is added every season, it still has

(35:49):
less pollen where the hand was than the roof around it.
So it was still visible for years. I think I
can just barely see it now, but it's been a
long time. It's been years and years now.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
I have to assume that's because the oiliness of their
skin or something. Maybe it's that, uh the was it
the sea bum? I think it's called the gou that
coats all of us on our skin. I think that's
what the name of it is, and that yeah, yeah,
he called it the alba vernix or he made up
a new term for it, but it's basically I think
it's called sebum if I remember it. But yeah, so

(36:21):
these things just like us they're coated with it, but
they're from from what I understand from very close encountered
witnesses are pretty much oilier than we are as a species,
I guess, but I don't know. I don't know. It
was fascinating to see, I'll tell you that.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Yeah, I told everybody about it, but nobody came up
to look at it. You know. It's just the Olympic
project had kind of moved onto those awesome beds that
they had found out there, so they you know, everybody
was in different directions. But I did tell people, but
nobody came to You were the first person to come
look at it. And that was several years after it
had happened.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Well, I think I heard about it like a few
months after it happened. I just assumed that it wasn't
there anymore, you know, I had no idea yea, because
why would it be there. For saying that, I remember
talking to you about it, is said, no, it's still there,
and I'm thinking, how could it be there?

Speaker 2 (37:05):
But it was. Yeah. I was just as surprise how
long it lasted. It's lasted longer than footprints up on
the roof walking up the valley of the roof when
people installed the solar panels. Those haven't lasted as long
as this handprint.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
You know, we filmed on or you helped me film
a little bit for Finding Bigfoot when we were up
filming in Washington, and I found something real interesting on
that trail that you pointed me towards, like, and you
had never walked it, if I remember right, or if
you didn't walk at the full extent, an abandoned logging
road not far from your property, and you told me
I think they used this, but you weren't sure about that,

(37:39):
and lo and behold when we walked out there, I
found something very unusual. Nothing that you can take to
the bank, but that's kind of how bigfoots roll. What
it was, And I think I made a big deal
about this on the show, but it's been so long
and we did so many episodes. I kind of honestly
remember now. But that branch that came out, it was
a cedar branch and the final what eighteen inches of

(38:01):
it or something was broken off, pulled upwards, broken off
and snapped into a V shape and then hung over
the same branch it was broken off from. Do you
remember finding that?

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Oh? I was with you when you found it.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you remember finding that. That was weird,
wasn't it.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
Russia Power find Tom Pola finds they break out the
brush and bend into a hook and hook it over
another branch.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Yeah, he has something similar going on on his property sometimes.
I've seen what he pointed out, but I've never actually
seen it in person before until your property. And you
had not walked that road, right, No.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
I hadn't been up there in a couple of years.
And the last time i'd been on that little spur
we had done a walk with the Olympic Project. It
was David Ellis and Derek Randalls and his youngest son
had all come out and David even had one of
his just gigantic dogs with him. And when we were
going to walk up to this little spur, and it's
totally cut off, like you have to walk, you have
to bust brush for one hundred hundred and fifty yards

(38:56):
just to get to it, and it doesn't connect with
anything else. It's just like a very very isolated little segment.
It's beautiful though, It's absolutely beautiful when you get to it,
because it's all laid with like a bed of ferns
and daisies in the spring, and then like the cathedral
like arches of trees growing up on each side of
as it gently goes up slope, you know, in curves.

(39:16):
It's just beautiful. And when we had done that walk
with the Olympic Project, when the first person had set
foot off my driveway to start heading for that, there
was one super loud knock, like a classic baseball bat strike,
and everybody looked at each other with their mouths open, like,
oh my gosh, like something just it was so close.
It was within one hundred yards, and it was very

(39:37):
close to where I had my sighting where that sound
came from. And then when we had done the walk
and completed it and came back, when the last person
stepped back onto the driveway from the exact same spot
we heard the one knock, there was two knocks. It's like, okay,
so one means people are coming and two means all clear.
Like I don't know what else it could possibly mean,
but it was a pretty good guess.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Now, speaking of knocks, you actually have supplied us with
a piece of audio that we can play in the
podcast here if you possibly interacting with one of these things.
Tell us about this clip that we're going to listen
to in a minute.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Yeah, that was another totally unexpected thing. I just it
was in the summer, and the cats, you know, it's
just to keep them safe. We have like a roll
around kennel, so we can put them out, you know,
and give them on the view side of the house
and let them experience a different area, you know, from
their regular living area. And I was scrubbing it out

(40:31):
with this big, long nylon brush and I heard something
and I was like hmm, and I picked the brush
up and I whacked it on the tree to see
if I could recreate the sound, and it did. It
made a really good wood knock sound. And then I
got a response right back, and I was like, oh
my god. And I fished my phone out of my
pocket and did one of those little memo recordings, and

(40:53):
what I sent you was the result of what I
got from the recording. It was just a bunch of
exchanges back and forth, and then whatever it was was
coming more farther and farther uphill. It wasn't static, it
was getting closer and louder.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
It was moving. Okay, yeah, well, let's take a listen
to that right now.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
Response A response.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
That sounds pretty squatchy.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
Yeah, I think it sounds real interesting, right, Like Michael
doesn't knock, the thing answers, it's back and forth. It's cool. So,
how often does something like that happen where you do
a noise and one of these things answers back in
some sort of way, whether it's a knock or a call,
or a car door slam or you guys show up
at home or whatever.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Well, for me, that was the only time generally, if
I'm making any noise, I'm on my drums, just you know,
flailing away. My wife though she's gone outside, and I
have a particular whistle I do to get her attention,
like when we're in a store, like at Costco. I
can do this whistle, and she recognized it as being
my whistle to her from a great distance. And she's

(42:57):
gone outside sometimes and heard my whistle like to beckon
her somewhere and she starts walking and realizing hold that
he's not there, and she knows I'm in the house.
She just left me like okay, what is imitating his whistle?
And like it's really that really frightens her. Yeah, that's
a little creepy. That's very horror movie. Yeah, because I

(43:20):
do it, you know, I do it all the time,
so it would know that that's my whistle.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
Yeah, it reminds me of that the scary short story
where some some woman's mother is calling her down at
the kitchen and she passes a closet and mother's voice
comes from the closet and say I heard it too,
don't go oh, you know, like one of those things.
That's what it reminds me of. But then again, I
probably I'm hanging out with my wife too much watching
horror movies, so maybe that's the deal.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
We did have one kind of event happened that had
a multitude of people, because everybody who's come to the
property has had something happen. If you sleep outside, you're
going to have something happen. It happened with Bobo. Paul
Graves had a really crazy story happened rich drama, like,
you know, if you come down and sleep where they're

(44:08):
known to move, you're they're going to encounter you. It seems,
you know, really good odds. But we had Connie Willis
from Coast to Coast come by with Ron moorehead and
we had some other people over. We're just doing a
bonfire and we'd cook salmon that night, and we're all
around the bonfire on the side of the house that's
nearest the creek, and people are just kind of quietly talking.

(44:30):
After we've been outside for a couple hours, and I
hear something moving in the darkness behind directly behind Ron.
So it's downslope right where the chicken coop is, and
something is moving right there. And I look at Ron
and he nods his head and he points right through
his own body like he hears he's pointing right at it,
and he says yeah, he's saying yeah, he hears it too,

(44:52):
and I'm like, yep. And not even ten seconds after that,
it was just the sound of like two river rocks
being clacked together, come from right where we heard it clack,
and then another clack on the far side of the
house where the cars are parked, and then a rock
comes sailing up from the creek bed and struck the
side of the house and bounced to a stop right

(45:12):
next to the fire pit, right in the middle of
all of us. And there was like eight adults and
two kids out there. So that was a Connie Willis
experience at and then she refused to sleep outside that night.
She was supposed to sleep in a tent down where
Paul Graves had his encounter and where Boba was too,
and she was like, no, that's it, She's sleeping in
the house. Fun in games until it's real, right, She's

(45:35):
not the gravest. Well I'm not either. I mean I
still have yet to sleep outside. I won't do it.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Have you had any gifting or have they left things
for you or your wife or anything like that Before.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
We tried to engage in that at the urging of
David and some of the others from the Olympic Project
to see if we could get interaction more on a
direct level. We left out bags of apples, bags of
pipe tobacco, you know, just seeing if there is anything
that they'd be interested in it. They've never taken anything
from us, and once in a while there would be

(46:10):
a really weird alabaster looking stone to show up out
of nowhere, placed on a wall. But you know, I
don't know where it came from. But if that could
be considered a gift possibility, maybe, well, I mean I
think it is. I mean, they don't give good gifts. Well,
I mean just saying I don't know where it really
came from. I mean, it wasn't there the day prior.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
Yeah, exactly. It's like, oh, look, there's a PS five
on the wall. Cool, so finally the big flitzer give
me something good instead of like a dead chicken or something,
or a feather.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Well, one of the most interesting ones was Paul Graves
slept in the back of my pickup truck exactly where
Bobo slept, and where Bobo slept was right where our
worker had stood when he saw it, just thirty feet away.
I had pulled my truck down there and backed up
and Paul slept in the bed of the truck. To Paul,
after he had got all settled in and got his

(47:02):
recorder started, he heard something taking like four or five
steps coming up from the creek. Take four or five
steps and do a simple whistle. And the whistle he
did was the whistle I do when I'm calling my wife.
It's just just a real simple little whistle like that.
And he's like, oh, what's that And he heard it
take four or five more big steps and then the whistle,

(47:23):
and once it was high enough on the slope above
him that it could see into the bed of the
truck and see him. He said, Paul just suddenly fell asleep,
and it was inexplicable to him, And we have the
recording of him suddenly sawing logs right after all these whistles,
so it's kind of funny. He just immediately went out
and in the morning he got up and he was

(47:45):
really excited about his recording, but we weren't awake at
the main house yet. So he gets up out of
his sleeping bag and all his change and everything fell
out of his pockets, and he went for a walk
and came back and rolled up his pack. Unbeknownst to me,
had put gifted a bunch of food directly on the
opposite side of the property. During that walk, he had

(48:06):
left some broccoli and different things out just to see
if anything would get taken, and even a little ocarina,
little plastic cocreina toy. And so he'd asked me to
go photograph those items every day and see if anything changed,
anything was missing. And after two weeks of walking to
the same spot and photographing this forum, something showed up

(48:27):
that wasn't there before. And I have the pictures for
two weeks leading up, and then all of a sudden,
there's a purple duncan guitar pick at the base of
the stump where he left everything. I took a picture
of it and brought it up to the house and
I called Paul up and I said, do you use
a purple guitar pick? He goes, oh, yeah, I've been
using that for forty years. I go, well, one just
showed up at the stump, and he's you know, it

(48:50):
was shocking because it had fallen out of his change
in his pocket where his sleeping bag was when he
got up in the morning. But when he packed all
his stuff, it was missing out of his pile of change.
And then it shows up two weeks later where he
had left food. I've heard similar reports. That makes sense
to me at least. I mean, there could be a
squirrel that stole it and it just happened to bring
it over there. But these two locations are at least

(49:12):
two hundred yards apart and one hundred feet in elevation difference.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
I have something in my head from the early days
of you live in there. So I got a pear tree.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Oh, when we had planted all our fruit, we had
planted pairs, peaches, apples, cherries. We'd planted all kinds of
different fruit trees the first year we moved up, and
they're still not really producing so hot. It's not the
best soil on this hill. But yeah, we had gone
outside and what is that something at the base of

(49:40):
one of the trees, and it was a rabbit with
the head pulled off of it.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
There we go, that's what I remember.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Yeah, we had deer fencing really tight in a circle
around it, and it was tipped at an angle. So
even if you had popped the head off of a
rabbit and just tried to drop it down the narrow
circle of deer fencing, it wouldn't hit the ground. It
would have fallen into the w wire at an angle.
So if he had a really long, like five foot
long arm, you could place it right at the base

(50:06):
of the tree. But yeah, that was really odd.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
YEA, So a headless rabbit appeared overnight in the deer
fencing around one of your baby trees. Yeah, and it
was the only tree that turned out to not produce
any fruit and dyed. It was kind of funny. Somebody suggested, well,
rabbits are a symbol of fertility and maybe it was
saying you needed some fertilizer on that tree. But Rich

(50:30):
Jermau has some forensics experience, had come over and examined it,
and he found some a couple of interesting things. One,
there was no claw marks or bite marks or tooth marks.
That was completely unmolested. The body of it except for
the missing head and the throat and the esophagus everything
was gone too, like they had had been pulled off.

(50:52):
And the stomach was right at the opening of where
the neck was, so the stomach had been almost left
the body as the head was pulled off, like as
opposed to something had just bitten the head off. The
stomach really would have been still deep in the abdomen,
not right up at the top of the neck hole. Yeah. Again,
they don't give good gifts, no, So.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Yeah, that was kind of creepy. And then when I
was talking to a neighbor just a couple of days
after that, I wasn't talking about what was going on.
We were just talking about neighbors stuff going on in
the hill, and we were idling the car at a
certain point in the driveway, And the very next morning,
right where I had had the car idling for a
couple hours while talking to the neighbor, there was another

(51:33):
dead rabbit right there, right in the middle of the concrete,
just beyond where our gate is.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Have you broached the subject with your neighbors at all?

Speaker 2 (51:42):
I tried that. When our worker had first had his
sighting December twenty third, we were already planning on making
big batches of toll house cookies because we were the
new folks on the hill and giving them to everybody
for Christmas. So when we brought them to the house
that's directly below our house, retired anesthesiologist lived there, and

(52:04):
just out of the blue, he mentions, yeah, my dog
Mollie has been really barking up a storm the last
couple of days. Something's been walking up the creek. You know,
I don't know elk or whatever. And I, oh, here's
my end. I go, no, my worker saw what it was.
I can tell you what it was. And he goes, oh, yeah,
what was it? I go it was a bigfoot? And
he didn't even react. He just goes, hey, did you

(52:25):
see the new tile I put down over here, and
just change the subject. It's like okay, And then that's
his brother. Is the one who built our home and
lived here until he sold it to us. He came
and visited, you know, that Easter or something. It was
another holiday, and when we had brought it up with him,
he had just he confessed everything he knew, but he

(52:47):
said that his daughter and his brother weren't so forthcoming
or even interested in what he even had going on
at the property before they left. So from what I understand,
they had yells and scream being in, rocks thrown against
the roof of the house and even dense in the car,
like just not very friendly kind of stuff. I know

(53:08):
you've been concerned for your family, and I'll say fearful
in that sort of way, But have they really given
you much reason to think that you're in any danger whatsoever?
Or is it just something that you live with, like
having a deer on the property or something. Yeah, I
don't feel in danger anymore. I mean when something brand
new out of the blue, you know, I was born

(53:30):
and raised in San Diego. You know, I don't know
the woods, so having never seen a bear, you know,
live in the woods. To all of a sudden, you know,
people are seeing bigfoot all around my house. Was a
shock to the system, to say the least. So yeah,
it's just something I've kind of grown into and I've
just kind of accepted. Like I still I could walk

(53:51):
outside now and I'm not too scared. I'm aware, my
senses are up and being around the kind of level
of activity. You know, you can't be on guard all
the time. So like I said, when something happens, it
still catches you off guard. You're still shocked, like, oh,
that just happened. You know. It's like you're never really prepared.
Like I could walk around with my camera ready to

(54:13):
take a picture, and I still don't think that I'd
get a picture.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
Well, so many people do spend time. There's a few
second delay between what they see and their processing of
what they saw. Even you you know, these things are there,
and you thought it was a dude in a gilly suit.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Yeah, yeah, and I thought so for a good ten
to fifteen seconds. It took me to dawn on me
that no, that was too big.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
So you've been around these things for what ten eleven
years now? In general, just as kind of a closing
thought here as we wrap up the podcast, what do
you think these things are? What do you think is
going on? What is this whole bigfoot thing, Like, what's
your take on it now that you've lived with it
for a decade.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
I don't think there's anything supernatural about them. I'm not
really on board with the other members of my household
have kind of disagreed with me on certain things because
they've had experiences that I won't talk about because it's
their experience, it's not mine. But my experience has just
been very real, very tangible, very concrete, you know, finding
a footprint, finding a handprint, seeing something move between trees,

(55:18):
hearing something make noises or respond to me. So to me,
I just I think it's a it's an unknown biological
real entity. And the closest thing I think it could
be from what I've seen through you know, museum recreations
and that great BBC show that showed like paranthropists and australipithescenes,

(55:39):
I think it's paranthropists. I think that would be a
really good guess. And the larger size is probably due
to them being in a colder climate. You know, it
just matches up with all the descriptions. Now, not to
say that they couldn't interbreed with humans somewhere along the way.
And you know the whole kidnapped women and hybrid type
thing that Indians have reported for centuries. You know, I

(56:01):
wouldn't discount that at all. The gene pool might be
close enough where you know, offspring could actually happen. But yeah,
I think they're very real and I don't think that
these ones mean to do any kind of harm from
what I know, because if they see the expanse of
what people can do and people with their guns and hunting,
I don't think that they wouldn't want to invite that

(56:21):
on themselves. So I think that might explain the reticence
and accepting gifts or stealing things off your property, anything
that would make them really be a problem.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
What are they stolen off of your property?

Speaker 2 (56:33):
Nothing?

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Nothing good.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Yeah, they won't take anything. I think there's maybe a
difference between the sasquatch that will take stuff. They're more
of the rural, you know, more in the wilds, you know,
from a campsite where people aren't a regular thing, versus
ones that live in proximity to where people live all
the time. Like they don't want to rock the boat,
you know, and interfere and take things from your property.

(56:57):
But I mean, well, we've had free stripped off of
all the trees overnight too. Well, you left it out
for them to be fair. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
If you really wanted it wouldn't have been on the tree,
you know, yeah, if you would have brought it inside,
like everything.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Else that you really want, and just really watching those
pears like, oh, they're going to be ready tomorrow. Tomorrow,
we're picking the pears and we wake up and there's
not even a pit left on the ground. It's like
all gone hundred pairs over that story dozens of times
we're going to pick it.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
That it was just ready to pick it, And we
came out in the morning and there was all gone.
There was no debris at the bottle. There wasn't like
half eaten ones or like deer bear, no broken branches,
just pick clean.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Oh. And at the edge of the fruit tree area.
One of the times we're looking down admiring the view
and the fruit trees since they were growing up in
the spring. This was after my daughter had seen monkey Man.
We had turned away from the railing and we're walking
back into the house and she just casually says Bigfoot

(57:56):
was watching us. And I said what, And I immediately
took two steps back towards the edge, and I'm, well,
where where? And she pointed it was over there. You know.
She was like four years old. And I go show me,
show me how. And she was standing like this, and
she turned her back to me and stretched out her
left arm slightly up, just a little bit straight out,

(58:18):
and then dipped her head down and peeked at me
underneath her her left arm. And I just got the
willies because a couple of years prior, doctor Meldrum had
shown an anthropology film done in Canada in the nineteen
twenties documenting First Nation dances concerning the Sasquatch. And they
do this dance where the thing is approaching you backwards,

(58:41):
peeking under its arms so that you can't see a
whole face looking at you. Because we're humans are keyed
in to see faces, like all those nuts with paradolia
so bad, so they know to break up their face
and just give just look at you with one eye
and not show you any other features of the face,
I guess. And it just that really gave me the willies.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
It was standing right there in front of all three
of you, and she's the only one. The eyes of
a child that that could actually see it. Very very interesting. Michael,
thank you so much for joining Bobo and I on
Bigfoot and Beyond here. We've been talking about having you
on for a long long time, but we know you're
a guy that you enjoy your privacy and all that
sort of stuff. But thank you so much for sharing

(59:21):
your experiences with all of our listeners and also honestly
for being just a good friend. Just love you so
much and I'm so appreciated of having you in my life.
So thank you. Cool see hello, ladies, I will sender
love please, thank you so much. All right, Bobs finally
had them on. We've been talking about it for as
long as we've had the podcast, really to try to
get this guy on here. It's such interesting firsthand direct

(59:44):
knowledge of what happens when you live where a bigfoot
happens to live too.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Dude, that was some.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
Great squatching up there. They are so generous at their
house like property, you know, letting us stay there is
like go to a five star resort.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
They do have a very very nice house and it's
lovely family and great people. Just you know, I mean,
I basically came for the Bigfoot and saved for the
friends exactly. Yeah, I love both those. The entire family,
all three of them are just wonderful.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
So so next week, folks, keep it squatchy.

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