Ep. 224 - Bobo's First Sighting!

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Fay. Hello, folks, whatwith another episode of Bigfoot and Beyond with
usually Cliff and Bobo. Today Cliffand out here. He's out in the
woods. He's doing some squatching.He's got some stuff going on. So
I was supposed to do an episodethe day without Cliff, but their guests
we have lined up are so goodI just couldn't do without him. I
mean, they're too important. SoI was talking to Matt our producer Matt

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Pruth, the Uber producer, maskingthe interview. You kind of got to
see some Bobo story time stories andkind of get some more fine details out
of me doing it that way.So welcome to Bigfoot Beyond That. Thanks
for having me. Yeah, youknow, since I handled a lot of
the social media requests, it hadoccurred to me when we were talking about
guests, it's like, Oh,the one person that people ask for the

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most is Bobo. It's so youwould be the perfect guest for this week's
episode. Thank you, thanks forhaving me. Like you said, there's
so many stories that I've heard thatit had been years since I've heard him
that I kind of jotted down,like, oh, we should talk about
these on the podcast. And thenwhen I hear you on other podcast,
there's always questions that come up forme that I've never asked that I thought,

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oh, well, we should justask those questions. So you get
to be the guest on your ownpodcast this week. All Yeah, one
of the things I was curious about. And I think we could give a
shout out to our good friend Tony, because Tony merkel over at The Confessionals
just did a great deep dive interviewwith you on his podcast, sort of
the origin story. But I alwayslove hearing about who were the first other

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researchers that you met, like afteryou were tracking down Sasquatch stories and meeting
local witnesses, Like who were thefirst contemporary people in the field that you
met that were going and doing thesame thing. Probably a ray crow,
I guess. Oh, I didn'tknow that, So you were you logging
in northern California at that time?Yeah, And I was going up to
Portland anyways. I was going togo surf up in northern Oregon, and

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and I had friends. I lovedgoing to Portland, you know, back
then, that was before Portland gottotally blown up. You know, it
was like a lot. It wasn'tthe traffic and crowds and it was it
was a really it was my favoritecity for years and years. So anyways,
I was up there and I knewabout I had someone gave me a
copy of the track record. SomehowI got some subscribe to that for a
while, and I made it upthere for a meeting. I remember,

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I'm going into that basement place,and I can't remember all the people I
met. I met a couple ofwomen that were there. It was a
lot of older people. There wasno in myriage there. And that's when
I got to know Ray a littlebit. Yeah, I met Ray and
a few other people. I can'tremember who I was there now, No
one I stayed in touch with.I just Ray a little bit over the
years. And then who did Imeet. I saw an article on John

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Fredis in the in the paper inthe in the San Francisco Chronicle, and
I think he said it was ninetysix or ninety seven, and I wrote
him and I didn't have email backthen. I just called him and left
him a couple of messages and thenwe talked on the phone, or I
think we were just yeah, Inever talked to him. We were just
kind of phone tagging because I wasgone fishing all the time back then,

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you know, it was before sell, before I had a cell phone,
and I was I was just nothome ever, so I had come back
once every two three four weeks andcheck my voicemail on the phone, and
I got a couple of message,but we never we never met up.
And then I saw another article withRobert Leiderman, the ranger from Humboldt Rdwood
State Parking there, and I thinkit might Yeah. I didn't get really

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talk to him though, until theGrasshopper trail story, which was like a
big deal at the time. Itwas the BFOO website has just started up,
or I guess it was the VRwhat was not r BO, the
what was that one called again withthe IVBC the Internet Virtual big Foot Conference.
Yeah, might have still been.It might have still been during that

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time. Or no, No,it was already. No, it was
BFRRO by that time, Yeah,it was bfr O. Sorry. So
I called Robert and he was justlike this guy sounds like a nut.
So I never I never met upwith him either. And then I had
my incident where that story I toldyou know, my first encounter I had
for sure had a definitely, definitivelyhad a big Foot encunter, like no

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doubt about it whatsoever. It wasto this day, I was still like
the most powerful, like made thebiggest impression on me. Not just because
it was the first, it's stillthe most intense encounter I ever had by
far. I was going to askyou about that story because one of the
first, I mean the first timeI was ever aware of you was on
Mysterious Encounters in some of those episodes. But then if you remember back in

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the days of blog talk radio,I think the first or at least one
of the first big Foot shows wasLet's Talk big Foot, and a little
bit of that story was in there, and I had that sort of jotted
down here because I know we've nevertalked about that on big Foot and Beyond.
So you gotta tell that's got tobe the first Bobo story for the
listeners. In this episode for sure, because I'd love to hear it again
too. Yeah. So, Imean I've been looking around for years and

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years, you know, like thiswas two thousand and one, and uh,
I've been in touch with John Freds. We've never we've never met.
And he was an investigator for thedisc Attorney's office up in Delark County and
I was down in Humble. Iwas commercial fisherman and logging and stuff,
and so I was. I wasgone a lot. But he called me

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up one day and he goes,Dude, he goes, I just talked
to a woman from the Ros fromthe rok Ros. She just had a
sighting. She just saw a bigfoot and I was like, no,
and it was it was a reallybroken up message. It was when self.
I mean, this is cell phoneswere really jankie back then where relived
at least, and it was reallybroken up and my reception was terrible.

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I could barely hear it. Buthe was saying it was a year ago
today that the woman had a setting, and I didn't know that. I
thought it was that day. Igot all excited and I had to drive
down and started Humble and borrow mybuddy's night vision scope was a Ukrainian model
I remember, with a Gen twonight scope and you know, just pretty
junky about today's standards, but itwas the best I'd ever seen in person.
So I was all excited and helet me borrow it. So I

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went up there. I went towhere he was talking about was on the
Bald Hills. It was just onthe backside of Roadway National Park about the
Klament River, and I was almostdue west of the PG film site a
little bit, well not due west. I was west southwest there by about
ten or twelve hour miles maybe,And so I went up there and it
was this a little bit And whenhe told me this story, I knew

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exactly where he was talking about.I'd been there a bunch of times,
and it was right where it iscalled Bald Hills Road. It goes from
the coast, it runs through thepark and then it drops down. It
goes over the coastal range right there. Then it drops down into the Clowns
River Valley and then the Hoopa Reservationthat a lot of people are famil with
the Hooper Project by Dave Pauldes hoopsthere and then it comes into the Urok

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Rose, which is from the confluenceof the Trinity, which is the Trinity
River goes through Hoopa and the ClounthRiver comes down from Oregon to northern California.
A lot of people have heard ofthe Klamath. So you get up
to the top and my buddies thatlived in Wichipec, they were telling me
a couple couple of them had seenand one of my best friends had seen
a really old, broken down,limping, kind of patchy hair, looked

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like it was about to die,emaciated, about a seven and a half
foot tall big foot like had theyou know, classic male male baldness pattern
to it, gray along its head, so it's graying along its chest like
the it's temples are all gray.And it had kind of like a gray
beard and gray chest had like thatsilvery sheen to the black, not really

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a sheen. It was black,but you can see that it was not
like that, like the one Isaw was black and I had silver shining
it was like young and hey,look at this thing was old like grit
like not silver shining hair, butlike dull gray hair. And then it
had patchy fur missing and he couldsee the ribs. They could see the
ribs on it, and it waslimping really slow, and it just he
said, the look on its face, it just froze. And then they

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locked eyes with it and slowed downas they drove past it, like close,
like thirty five feet. It justlike trying to do the freeze thing,
like you know, I'm a bigfoot all the streets. It won't
see me. They just slowed down. They were staring at it started them.
It's just like, I'm old,I'm broken up, about to die.
Leave me alone. He busted me, and just leave me alone.
And then it just started limping offagain. And so I was up there

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for weeks. This has been goingon for about oh at that point,
two months, six weeks have beengetting reports out there, and then the
grant from Humboldt State University. Graduationtime a lot of you know, a
lot of parents and stuff come upthere. It's most of like I think
seventy eight percent of the population ofthe schools from southern California. So when

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the families come up for graduation inMay, you know, they go around,
cruise around the you know, lookat the nature and all that.
And this is about where this happenedis about our ten minute hour hour ten
minutes north of the university, andyou can do a loop road. You
can go up to where the museumis in Willow Creek, and a lot
of people in the Willow Creek thebig Foot Museum, the original one up
there. Then you go down theTrinity River through Hooper Reservation. You go

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into the confluence of the Clout inthe Trinity and you drive down a couple
miles and blow Witch back and thenyou go back up and you go over
the Bald Hills and drop down ahighway one on one Rubbay National Park,
and then back down along the coastback to Arcada. So a lot of
people do that loop. And Italked to two different car loads of people
that you know, we're graduating,their parents were visiting, and they sell
the same thing within within about amile of each They were all within the

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same mile zone of this thing aboutready to trying to cross around this old
gray, limping big Foot. SoI was like, oh my God,
like that's that's that's you know,I gotta find this thing. And that's
when I started calling Belgium too.I didn't I didn't know Meldium, but
I was telling him, Hey,there's things. You know, it's a
it's around, it's it's old,it's about to die. It might be

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a good place to focus on.I think he sent sent him an email,
and I think he he emailed meback once and he sounded like,
yeah, he was excited, likethat sounds really good. I called the
Ray crowd I told him about it, and he was like, oh man,
that's uh, that's that's exactly whatyou're looking for. I said,
yeah, I know, So Iwas. I was getting all excited about
that. I was up there alot, didn't see anything, didn't hear

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anything. And then so John Johnfredis the Dunark County Digit Attorney investigator,
you know, he's a law enforcementofficer, he called up all excited about
the sighting of that. You're awkwoman. He goes, you know,
she's really responsible, she's great witness, you know, real, real together
woman. She worked for the tribe. You know, she's a senior kind

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of up there, a person wellrespected. And he goes, yeah,
and she she sought cross Road andI knew exactly and it was it was
stranger because I've talked to her severaltimes since then. It was a smaller
big foot, and it was dragginga rolled up piece of cardboard it had
in one hand, and the otherhand it had it was holding like the
the cuff of a sleeve of along a long sleeve kids bright blue child's

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top like long sleeve shirt. Itwas dragged. It was holding the cup
of one sleeves and then the restof it was dragging behind her on the
ground, or it heard him,whatever it was, and then it saw
her and it just took off justso fast, like a deer, just
zoomed off, kicked up a cloudof dust behind it. It was just
gone. And so I was like, no, that just happened like today.

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And I got that. So Igot the that vision scope and I
was all excide. I packed mystuff up. So so I got the
that vision scip I go up there. I set my chair up in the
mind you at this point, I'vebeen looking for years and years. Never
had anything happened, never heard anythingthat I knew of. You know,
in hindsight, I did have someinteractions with him, but I just didn't
know it. I was ignorant ofthe signs sounds. But so I went

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to the meadow, and so themeadow is kind of like a crescent shape,
you know, like half moon shape, and it's gone now. It
got clear cut, but it wasprobably like I always miss up the dimensions
because it seems so big, butI'm reckoning. It was about maybe one
hundred and twenty yards. It wasa half moon shape starting from the road,
so the road around north south,So this meadow round parallel to the

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road on the east side of theroad, and the road around north south
along the ridge, and the roadwas the dividing line between the National Park
roadway, state National Park, andprivate timberland and some ranching holdings in there.
There's a few people lived out there, not many, like maybe six
houses along this eleven miles of road, and they were mostly down at the
end of the road, down bythe river, the Klamath. So as

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you drive up along this meadow,you see the middle on your right,
and then alongside of the road there'sa patch of woods maybe thirty yards long
by about fifteen yards sticks something likethat, and on both sides of it
was the meadow, and in frontof it was the meadow. So it
was like an island that backed upto the road. So I pulled up
there and parked. There was akind of a wider spike park. People

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get by no problem. And Ilet my dog out, let him run
around for a little bit d day. He was that big hundred and five
pound people great dogs, super mill. Everyone thought he was a black laugh
because he was so chill, andso I let him run around a while.
Then I put him back on thetruck on the front seat, and
I got my I had one ofthose plastic you know, picnic chairs,
you know, the little cheap chairyou get from Costco or whatever. I

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had one of those. I hadmy machete for protection, had my night
scope and spotlight, and I thinkthat I had my extra clothes in case
it got cold. There were mosquitoes, and this was in May. It
was May twenty first, two thousandand one, and there wasn't There wasn't.

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I don't think there's any moon atall. It made been a little
bit of a moon, but itwas clear, it was warm. It
was you know, it was inthe eighties that day. Up there at
night, I think I think atnine o'clock it was still like seventy four
seventy five degrees. But I'm sittingthere and I go out there and I
started doing some really killer calls likeroars and howls, and I'm doing an
east end of the canyon and theywere carrying all the way down on the

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river. I could hear echoes goingdown. I was like, dang,
my voice is you know, I'mkilling it tonight. It's going far.
It was going miles and I wasdoing some roarers. I was doing some
aggressive calls. And about seven fortyfive I think I think it was seven
forty five, Yeah, it wasabout seven forty five, I hear this
wolf. I thought it was awolf hybrid, like those husky wolf they

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were popular back then. Those theywere like seven eighths wolf and an eighth
husky or mal meat whatever. AndI thought, well, it sounds like
my buddy's wolf, you know,wolf hybrid. It sounds like that,
because it was it was a howl, and it was just it wasn't a
coyote you could tell, and itwas a dog would have more of a
wolf tone to it. It seemedlike, I'm like, that's weird.
And then it does it again andI hear the how. I'm like,

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God, that's a strange how.And it keeps going on and on and
then it starts changing it more soin like a screaming yell roar, and
right then I was like, ohmy god, I just heard my first
big foot. I couldn't believe it. I was like, no way,
and it was miles due north.It was just due north to me.
Stay tuned for more bigfoot and beyondwith Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right

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back. After these messages, Ihear this is how coming from the north,
and I was like, I justremember all my hair stood up,
and I was just like the firstfor sure confimation I had, like when
I was I was hearing a bigfoot, there's nothing else. There's no
way it was anything else. Andit did this crazy call. Did They
started doing these crazy screaming howl yellroar things like just up and down,

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like you know, seven octaves differencefrom the start to finish, going through
all the ranges of these calls andmixing just different sounds. Good. I
was like, no, So Istart roaring back on, you know,
and barking and doing just aggressive gorillakind of call, and it's coming and
I could tell it's coming closer,but it's still far away. Sort of
the next forty five minutes. I'dhear it roar every so often, and

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I'd do a roaring yell and Iwas pounding. There was a chunk of
there was some dead oak logs,you know maybe, and they were probably
like eighteen to thirty six inch sectionsof old logs that were left there that
were cracked or split whatever. Theyweren't good for him. They just left
from there. So I was beatingon one of those and it was it
was making the perfect because it waskind of elevated. It was part of

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it was sticking in the ground andthe rest of it was sticking out of
the ground. And I was bangingit. So I had the killer resonance,
and I'm banging on that thing andI'm screaming and roaring, and then
it's I heard it calling. Itwas pretty close. It sounded like it
was definitely with it less than amile and I was like, no way,
it's coming in. It's coming in. And I was calling Fredis in
the phone, going John, getafter the things coming It's coming. It's
like I can't. I'm working,I can't. I just can't make it.

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There's no way. I was like, damn. So then I called
some motor I said, hey,I gotta there's a big foot coming.
They just kind of laughed me,like yeah, whatever, whatever, and
no. I called like several peopleand no one came. So I was
sitting there going all right, I'mjust sitting there waiting, and I hadn't
heard anything for about ten minutes,and then right then it just starts roaring.
It's right up, I'm facing Dewey's. It's coming in at my nine

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o'clock, my due north, andit's in the tree line just you know,
however far from me, like sixtyyards or something, and I'm just
like, oh my god, noway, and it just starts snapp It
came in dead song and all asudden just roars and screams and you just
hear it just branches breaking and likesmall trees sounds like snapping and just stopping

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feet just boom boom boom, andit's going like and then it would do
these crazy how it would scream andlike and then it would end up with
like a huge exhale and it soundedlike Horselift song, like that kind of
sound. At the end, Igo was flapping its lips really hard.
But there's doing these before we doanother scream, we do another huge inhale

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and then a huge exhale, whichit would end with a horse flap lipping
horse lip flapping sound, and Iwas just like blown away, going oh
my god, like I mean,you can imagine at this point, I'm
just like going no way. Assoon as that first scream happened to my
two o'clock, I just hear thiscrack. And I know that's your imagination
probably like just filling in the gaps, but I mentally pictured this thing on

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my left. I was, youknow, kind of mentally picturing this thing.
Would it looked like Market the Wizard, And the second that crack happened,
for whatever reason, I just sawit like playing this day in my
head. But you know it's peoplealready described it to me, so I'm
sure that's what it was. ButI just see that old jenking one holding
the branch, and it's like thekrusty old guy is going crack. Like

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I'm not dead yet, I'm stillyou know, like a male you know,
sasquatch whatever. I don't know,but I just had this mental image
of that the old one over onmy on my right, crack in the
tree, and I'm like, ohmy god, there's two of them.
And I was just like, whoathis is? You know, I had
had a disposable thirty five millimeter cardboardcamera. You know, you just take
thirty those twenty seven pictures and dropit off a like save on or Walmart

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and get them developed. So Ihad one of those and I had a
flash on it. So my planwas to antagonize the thing, and that
was my plan going up there,was to antagonize if one came, to
antagonize him enough to charge me,and then my plan was to snap a
photo of it. And this isthe most stupidest part because John kept told
me, I'll it'll charge you andit'll stop ten or fifteen feet away and
just roar and make you, youknow, crap your pants and run away

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whatever. And I'm like, I'mnot gonna no way. I'll be ready
for it. I'm not scared.And my plan was to try to jump
out, do like a diving barrelroll and try to grab some hair off
its leg. Don't think stupid stefpLike, I just thought like, it
won't kill me, It won't killme. Then I was thinking like it'll
probably kick me, but it won'tkill me. And obviously that plan didn't

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work, but so so for thenext So that baby one that came in
from the I mean it sounded huge, and it's just it stopped. I
mean when it stopped its feet,it was like you could feel it,
you know a little bit like itwas and you could I mean it was
just boom boom, but really wellspaced, like definitely it was bipedal,
but there were some big strides goingand it just was making all this noise.

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And then so that one of mytwo o'clock and that one's coming from
a nine o'clock, they kind ofworked their way together, so they met
directly exactly in front of me.They both came over like marching centuries and
they just were shaking in the trees. And you know, there's some big
deciduous trees. You know, it'slike some kind of oak or something like
that. They just start shaking them. They just start the trees. Something's

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grabbing them, shaking them. Andthese things were big, like forty foot.
The base of these trees were likea good ten to probably fourteen inches
maybe something like that. Some ofthem were like gonna be eighteen inches.
And they start grabbing them and justthe tops or whipping back and forthe like
it was like a full double galestorm was blowing through, like just whipping
back and forth by like leaves comingoff, just shaking, shaking it,

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shaking it. And I'm like,how in the hell are they shaking?
Those trees are like these trees arelike, dude, you get ten men
on that thing and it would youwouldn't even you couldn't budget at all.
It wouldn't make a it wouldn't movebut two inches. And these things were
going back and forth ten feet atthe top, you know, just whipping
back and forth. I'm like,what the hell is going on? But
they do that. So then Istand up and beat my chest like the
gorilla like slap like, and Iwas going and they would roar back and

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then it would go silent for awhile. Then they they do like a
big branch snap. It was almostall the noises coming from the big one
that was going back and forth onmy left. It was going from my
nine o'clock to my twelve o'clock,back and forth. It would go silent
for a while and then it would, you know, do another noise.
And at this point I was gettingpretty dark, and I had the night
visions, the night vision, andI was scanning and scanning and scanning,

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and I never I just got itthat day, Like I hadn't really got
the mess around with it. Andthey had these aisles on the front,
you know, for focus and brightnessand what else. And there's there was
a red laser point that was onit too that you get hit. There
was a button. None of itwas all marked in like Russian, so

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I couldn't or Ukraine and whatever.I couldn't read it. It was like
that what it thought thrillic writing.Yeah, I think so that could be.
I'm not too familiar with that,but I know what you mean.
Certainly I can picture it, butI don't know the terminology. Yeah,
So it had that, so Ididn't know what anything said. And I
was just kind of messing with it. I wasn't sure what was what.
But I got to work and Iwas looking through it and I could see,
you know, I couldn't see anything, but I could see the trees,

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you know, you know the gentonight scipe looks like oh, certainly,
yeah, I mean it was itwas like late eighties early nineties technology.
It wasn't very good, but I'mgoing back and forth scan the tree.
I was skin of true. Andthen I kept stand up roaring,
and I'd get up and beat onthe tree. And then at one point,
when they're in front of me,a section about five foot long or
four foot long by about twenty somethinginches thick, maybe twenty four inch thick

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chunk of oh came flying out ofthe tree line. Didn't come close to
me, but it landed, youknow, about two thirds of the way
between the tree line and uh.It came about two thirds of the way
to me and then landed in frontof me, just boomed thud, And
I went out and looked at ithim like ding, that's a you know,
one hundred and fifty pound two hundredpound pieces of wood or something,
I don't know, like something likethat. It was. It was substantial,
like you know, you couldn't havethrown it very far, Like I

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mean, I could pick it up, but I couldn't throw it. Maybe
throw it like four or five feetsix feet at the most. So that
thing came find I was like,well, that was crazy. And I
was still just still pretty uh.I mean, I was nervous, but
I was still confident, like Iwasn't I wasn't afraid really. I mean,
I was definitely on heightened alert andmy heart was racing, and I

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was super excited, but I wasn'treally scared. I was just I mean,
I was kind of nervous, butI was more I was more excited.
I was just excited. And thenso this went on for a while,
and it seemed like three trucks passedby as I was up there.
They were kind of old rattley,you know, old full size, you
know, domestic pick up. Iwas just bouncing along and and I remember

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they all had music cranking, likea couple were clank cranking country and everyone
was playing like classic rock as theywent by, and those freaking squatches in
the tree line went absolutely crazy.Just when the trucks would go out,
they started screaming and roaring and shakingthe trees really really hard to trees would
just be thrashing back and forth.They'd break branches and roar and scream and

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yell, and none of the truckseven slowed out, like they didn't hear
them. They just kept driving by, and I couldn't believe. I kept
thinking they're gonna get up and stop, you know, and be like what
the hell is that or something,you know. And I was still because
I was like, oh great,I'll get some witnesses because during this whole
time I had called people and noone came up. They were like,
what You're crazy. I'm like,no, this is happening right now,

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get up here. No one came. So this went on for a couple
hours. And at one point,also I can't remember what it was,
it was like some kind of yell, like it was a little it was
different than it was a different call, but there was like a there'd been
a a couple minutes several minutes ofsilence, then this call came out like
I can't hear what it was,but instantly burst out of the tree line.

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Oh okay. Prior to that callcoming out, it seem like the
battery, the battery is getting low. Someone's going wrong. I was like,
what's going on? Is this batterygetting low? What's happening? Because
it started getting fuzzy here, andso I started messing with like the focus
and the you know, the brightnessand like and one of the ones I
was twisting was I didn't realize itwas the battery cover, and I screwed

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it all of a sudden and screwedit the whole way, and the cap
came off, and the second thebattery got disattached and it turned off,
like within a second, there wasa scream or yell whatever came from the
tree line and they just rushed melike you could, Like it was so
fast. It was like the thingthat compared to it is like being at
the county fair when the horses gorunning by when you're stone and the didge

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of the track at the horse races, like the ground just shook. There
was for sure two of them,maybe three of them, I think there
was three came bursting out of thetree line, rushed I thought they could
rushed right next to me, likeinto the tree line behind me, and
it was just I was like,oh my god, it was so fast
and so loud, and the groundship and it was just overwhell. I

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was like, oh my god,Like I was just like my eyes popped
out of my head probably and Iwas just sitting there going hold my breath
on what the hell? And thenI figured, well, I don't know
what happened to him, my dog, because that Pitpo would go. He
was super chill, like friendly's dogever. But when he was in the
truck he was like a kujo,just psychopath like, would attack anything that
came near the truck unless you lethim out that he was friendly again,

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when he was in the truck withoutme, he was just guard dog.
So I'm like, well, ifthey go to my truck, they go
behind me, in the trees behindme, I'll hear him because my dog
would nuts. I never heard apeep out of him, Like that's that's
weird. So I sat there fora few minutes. I was sitting there
was about five minutes or something likethat, and I started I started hearing
the wrestling of some what I figuredit was a wood wrap behind me.

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There's a lot of wood rats outthere, so I thought it was a
road behind me. Then sound likea little bigger than a road, and
then also over my right shoulder,so I was I'd set my chair back
in the tree line just a littlebit, so I was. I was
in the tree line just barely,like my chair was inside the tree line.

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I had, you know, acouple of branches on the side of
me, So I was a littlebit ob scared if you were like walking
by or something. I'm sitting thereand all of a sudden, you know,
I got my spotlights on the ground, I got my shitty there,
I got the night scope in myhand, I got the camera in my
hand in my other hand, andit was all wound up, ready to
go. And I'm sitting and alla sudden, I started realizing I'm hearing

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breathing and a little rustling, andall of a sudden, I'm wearing this
presence behind me. And also Istarted hearing breathing coming from way over my
head. I started hearing this breathinglike after a couple of breaths, it
starts going into a growl like butdeep and rumbling like, and I'm like,

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it's way over my head. Imean, it's up in the air.
And I get this just worse senseof foreboding, dread, and just
the most scared I was in mylife. Just I mean, like I
was like, oh my god.The only thing I compared to is being
having a great white sharks circle andyou when you're out diving or surfing,
you know, like that thing oflike I'm out of my element. This

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he can kill me in any second, there's nothing I can do. It's
like any large future, like ifyou know you're run into a tiger in
Asia or lions in Africa or grizzlybearer here or whatever, like we're just
like, oh, this thing couldtake me out. Nothing I can do
and not a damn thing I cando. I was still excited at this
point, and it starts growling,and I wasn't really that scared yet.
I was like, well, Iwasn't that scared at that point. I

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mean I was. I was nervous. I was nervous started ground. I
was like, okay, boats,just stay calm, just stay relaxed,
you know, don't don't do anythingstupid. It won't hurt you. And
I'm like, okay, sort there. I got takets picture. I gotta
takets picture. And the second Istarted telling myself all right, you gotta
takets picture, turned around because I'llwound up and everything. I turned it
on and I turned it on andit makes a little bit of wine sound,

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just a little bit, and thatlittle indicator orange light comes on and
I'm like, oh no, becauseI was for the flash. As soon
as I did that, the loudestclearest message in my head. If you
take my picture, I'm gonna effand kill you, and no one's ever
going to find your body. AndI had this image of stuff of me
inside of a cave and putting bigrocks over it. I was just like,

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oh my, but it, dude. I swear to this day it
still seems like it was from outsideme. Like because you talked to yourself
all the time, this seemed different, really different. It seemed like it
was like this voice I'd never heardbefore. It was loud and clear,
like it wasn't audible, like youcouldn't hear it audibly. It was in
my head, but it was clear, clear as day, like just seemed

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very real and threatening, and Ibelieved it, Like I thought, if
I around, it's gonna kill me. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond
with Cliff and Bobo. We'll beright back after these messages. And I
just remember like getting up and walkingreal fast, like I don't run,

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But I was like walking as fastas I could. I'm like, don't
run, but and my eyes werewatering so bad, and it was dark.
I walked into a you know,Joe poked like a dead branch there
were some slash piles out there,and there was a it just was my
eye bow about an inch. SoI was like and I was walking fast,
like not seeing where I was going, stumbling along. I literally could

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have just poked my eye out.Oh my god, Like how'd it get
behind me? Like how come Ddydidn't bark? Like how did they get
behind me without me knowing it?And I'm just getting to my truck and
my truck I was facing away frombald Hill's Road. I was facing down
Johnson's heading down river, and Ijust wanted to get out, like I
want to get out there so bad. I was expecting to get grabbed out
of the true Like I was walkingalong the tree line. I was just

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toy so I can get dragged,like dragging into the trees next like on
my left where I just been thatlike islands of trees. I was sitting
and I was it was in there, and I thought, maybe they're both
of the three of them are inthere. I didn't know, and I
was not for sure I was Igonna get ambush walking back to my truck.
I get to my truck and Iget there and there's I'm looking in
and I don't see my dog.I'm like, oh my god, no
one, he's not. They reachedit, and god, because the doors
were unlocked, I'm like they gothim. I'm like, god, they

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stole d this. So at thatpoint, I just like my stomach sank
and I was just I felt evenlike that was the worst. I was
like, I guess got my dogkilled? Oh my Like how they get
him without me hearing it? LikeI was just tripping out. So I
get in the truck, I'm fumblingfor my keys and I'm you know,
hyperventilating, and I'm like, theykilled they killed DD. They killed DD.

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And I flip on the light andI see him and he's jammed down
on the floorboards on the passengers side. He'd ripped out like the like where
the glove box just behind there,like he just tore out whatever was wiring
like radio stuff was up behind thereand had his head shut up there and
part of his shoulders and he wascurled up underneath the as far up against

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the front of it like where yourfeet goes cramming there was much like I
couldn't believe like how Hidney was fromfrom view. I mean, he's black
and it was dark out, soof course it was hard to see him
anyways, but he had he hadbeen so scared he just tore up the
inside of the truck trying to climbinginto something just to get away from whatever
was. So they had to walkaround the windows and stuff like that.
Look, I'm sure they walked aroundand looked in at them. So I

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drove and I had to drive downthe ways to turn around. So I'm
looking for a place to turn around. And I'm driving a two wheel drive
tow to truck like probably bald tired. I know I had bald tires on
it, and I'm looking for aplace to around. So I finally find
a spot and I back into it. So I'm back into it, and
then I got to go forward andthe truck U doesn't. I'm stuck kind

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of like it's it's the embankment wastoo. I dropped off a little bankment
to turn around this spot. Imean, you know, eight inches nine
inches something like that. It was, It was nothing. I was like,
oh, but I didn't want tosee my tires and get stuck.
I knew that, So I gotI took a little head lamp out and
I'm trying to let on the onone of the truck is look going to
see if like and I look likeit okay, it's nobody deal. Like,

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it's got to back up another footor two. There's enough room for
me to back up and just geta little bit of speed and I'll pop
out of this no problem. Soas I do that, like this is
all happening, like simultaneously I'm lookingcome out of here, that roaring scream
comes again from above me, likeit had followed me down that road in
the in the tree line going north, and it screams, and it's just
starts bolting, coming through these rhodendronsand raspberry bushes and some other just various

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stickers and stuff, and it justcomes rushing down and I can just hear
all that stuff, just tearing,stuff tearing out of the ground and small
branches breaking, and it's coming fastdown. I mean, I just jump
in throw it in first, andyou know, drove out of there,
and I was all I had wasthis vision of a piece of log coming

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checked out of the darkness, comingthrough my windshells. I just kind of
expect that to happen to any second, and I just just thing roaring and
screaming up to my left, likeabove above me on the hillside right there,
like close really close by, justlike oh my god, no way,
and I'm driving out. I thoughtfor sure I was waiting, just
waiting for a piece of wood tocome flying through the windshield and kill me.

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So I go ripping out, Iget back down. I mean I
drove so I drive fast all thetime. Anyways, out there, I
drove so fast. I was haulingass. I mean like it was.
It was crazy. He didn't crash. I mean I was pushing my truck
to the max. Getting out,They're just wanp just drifting and you know,
squealing tires. And I get outon the pavement and I just ripped
back down. It's fifteen miles ofthe one on one I get down.

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Now it's just a big open flat. But it was a old growth redwood
mill at the time, and theyonly worked I think there's like maybe three
shifts a week because there wasn't muchwood. It closed down not long after
that. I got ripping in there. I knew there was guards in there,
and night I go I go flyinginto like just full peeling, you
know, just came ripping up tothe guards down, just full locked with

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the brakes into a full power slide, you know, and just I jump
out. I'm like, dude,come with me right now, there's sasquashes
up in the hill going crazy.You gotta see this, you got I
need a witness, Get in mytruck. And the guy's like, big
guy, just staring at me,like going, what the hell? Here's
this big, crazy looking dude justcame flying and peeling out, you know,
in his truck. Tell me toget in his truck, go get
big foots up on the mountain.He's like he's like, dude, I'm

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not getting in your truck. You'renot supposed to be here. Get out
of here. Like that was thewhole thing. I was like, just
beat it, like, dude,there's big foots that there right now,
let's go. Let's go. Andhe's like, no, I'm not going
with you. And I was like, what the Hell's wrong with this guy?
Like he's looking at the Hell's wrongwith this guy? Like, dude,
there's big ones that there right now. You know, I need a
witness. I need a witness.He says nope. So I left him

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that there was a bar right downthe Street. At that time, there
was a bar, the Logger Baror the Lumberjack whatever it was, yeah,
Lumberjack, And so I go downthere. There's just some old kind
of like alcoholic dudes and they're likeretired logger dudes and mill worker guys,
like three or four of them andlike bars in there, and I'm like,
I'm like, you, guys,there's a couple big foots up the
hill going crazy right now. Ineed a witness to go up there with

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me. They're there right now,I'm going nuts, turned down trees and
they just all laughed me and tothem, we're saying there was a native
guy in there too. So thetwo guys were laughed, just making fun
of me, like going, ohmy god, that call me a nut
job, and you know this andthat whatever tell me I was on drugs.
And then the other guy was justkind of like, yeah, I
know they're there, but I'm playingpool. I'm like they did he said

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maybe when I'm doing my pool match, and I was like he kidding me,
Like, you guys hit in thisbar every night of your lives.
You're not gonna leave. You know, you can play pool the rest of
your life like this is like,you can give them see some big foots
right now, I thought, Andso they wouldn't go. So then I
drove down a Trinidad, which islike twenty minutes something like that, down
south there, went to the barthere. There are some guys in there,

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no one interested, and going likethey're just all there. Everyone was
laughing at me, except for oneguy was like goes, oh, though,
I'm not going up there, likeyeah, I know they're there,
but I'm not gonna mess with themlike an encounter and he was scared of
him whatever. So then I drovedown to Six Rivers Brewery and they were
closed, but there were some workersand I knew all those guys really well,
those girls working. I was tryingto get these girls out there,
like going, come on, let'sgo. There's big foots out there.

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At this point. It's like oneone thirty in the morning, stuff like
that. There's like, no,we're tired, We're tired. I was,
and I called people and no,go back up there with you.
I couldn't do. And then noone go with through the next day either.
I went back up there, andthat was the scariest thing. Every
day was the next day, well, first I drove to Creston City,
which is a couple of hours.Went up there. I went to John's
place whip Smith River. He gaveme infrared floodlights, sunny night shot camcorder,

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and yeah, so I had acouple. I had three big infred
floodlights and its sunny night shot cameras. Go okay, go put get some
bait outs. So I went andgot some smoked salmon, and I got
all this stuff like donuts, salmon, honey rolls, like just sweets,
you know, and some cooked meats, smoked meats. Go back up there.

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I got the next day, likelater afternoon, and I was so
scared to go back up there,and I was like, well, I
gotta face my fear. I gottaI gotta get this thing on film.
So I did what John told me. I set up the I set up
the food, and I put itthere's I tried to like hide the lights
near behy, but it was justso stupid, like I didn't think of
it, didn't see that. ButI didn't have a better idea. It

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was just get it on camera.You know. It's because it was there
wasn't any moon, really, itwas. It was pretty it was really
dark out, so I was like, okay, I need to use uh,
I guess I gotta use these floodlights. And I went up there and
when oh, when I got there, I had this on film too.
I dog d day. He wouldnot get out of the truck. Out
of drag him out of the truck. And he usually loved going to the
woods. Like he couldn't keep likehe was scratching out the window to get

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out. Hea. I just wantedto get out, run around and sniff
and play. He wouldn't get outof the truck. While when he came
out of the truck, he ranat the back tailgate and curled his legs
to his legs and wouldn't come outfrom the truck for twenty minutes. I
was going to d come, come, he wouldn't come. And then I
got him out, drag him byhis collar, got him going. He
just stuck right behind me like thistail between his legs. Not about ten
minutes walking around. There was nosign of anything, you like, nothing

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was around on, no noises,and he relaxed, and you know,
ten minutes later he was back tonormal. Twenty plays. Okay, they're
not here, Wait until it startgetting dark again, set up that spot
where they came here, like there, like the twelve o'clock position point.
I went back into the tree linekind of a little bit, but where
I could still see him, butwhere they could kind of come up partly

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obscured, and I put all thisstuff out on a old log there,
put all the food out there,and then there was like floodlights. There's
just these floodlights coming down, infraredflooding. I mean it was so bad.
I sat there and no sign ofno indication that I sat there all
night, I think til daylight,no indication they were there. Nothing.
Five nights later, so I toldJohn what happened. He was all excited.

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I was all excited. He calledhis partners that he went out with
Jim Hooper and Manny, this guyManny from southern Oregon. So those guys
are coming down as normal guys.And so I'd never been these guys in
perfect I knew who they were,but I've never met him in person.
So we met up five nights later, four nights at this point, so
it's five nuts such of my sighting. And we went down to where we

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where I estimated where I first herodethe calls come from. And so we
went down at several miles and wepulled over. There's this big clear cut.
You come into it as you drivealong the road. You know,
you're driving the you're about two hundredyards below the park boundary line where the
road is where that runs north south, and so the road at points is
close to the boundary of the park. Of the other points, it's a
couple hundred yards away. At thispoint, it was kind of further away

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from the park. So it's agood one hundred and fifty something yards two
hundred yards up to the Because it'sobviously it's a clear cut. There's old
growth redwoods, so it's pretty obviouswhere the boundary line is. As you
drive. You're driving along, you'redriving, you know it's all been cut
before at some point this area we'redriving through, so it's you know,
smaller regrowth stuff. But you comein all of sudden on your left it's

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clear cut all the way to theline. You know, whatever was one
hundred fifty two hundred yards up tothe park boundary and and then it's really
small just hasn't been thinned at all, just pecker pole regrowth. Like I
don't know. It was a coupleof years. It was several years old.
It was. It was small.They like the biggest biggest trees in
there were like you know, sixeight inch or something like that. It

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was real closely the real regrowth garbage, and that went and so that ran
along your right on your right handside. That went along for another couple
like probably one hundred yards of thatstuff and then and then that stopped.
Then it was clear cut on bothsides to the cliffs edge that dropped off
like a couple thousand feet down tothe cloud. There's really steep cliffs and

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steep hills then to your and thenup sloped uphill up to the park boundary.
There were some old trees that wentold goat trees went through the cut
area like a that turned out therewas the old hoop of footpath for the
hoop Indians to go to the coastof your rocks where they could cross.
That's where they crossed get to theocean where they traded like you know,

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for sea salt and shellfish. That'sand they bring stuff from inland and trade
with the coastal guys. Not sothis footpath was one hundreds used for thousands
of years. They're not allowed tocut the trees along the footpaths like cold
you know, the Culturals preservation.But this footpath and it's still it's like
a it's about three feet wide twofeet wide, it's about a foot and

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a half deep, you know,ground into the dirt. There's old growth
trees went. So there's these scatteredold growth trees going through the in a
line going through the clear cut thatwent through the regrowth. There's and right
where they came out there are somebigger trees and stumps there. But then
the rest is that just regrowth jumpyou know, just little garbage trees out
them. And then it was justa mass. So we set up.

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We parked there. There's a littlespur road dropped down to the right head
and downhill towards the cliff in theclear cut. It it was the landing
spot for the law. The lawyershave been using it. This was a
fresh cut. I mean it justhappened like that year or the year before,
I guess the year before. Butyou can tell they've been using it,
like they'd still been coming to otherin parking and doing whatever done They're

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like you can tell the landing wasstill used down there, so we're like,
all right, well this, wedon't want to block the landing off.
So they went down and set upthe call blaster was that big,
and it was the one it's inthe Willow Creek Museum now you know.
It's on the early BFR expeditions.There was the big bull horn off a

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Navy destroyer. It was a bigspeaker for the loud speaker of a Navy
ship. And John had looked upto a thousand watt amp with a CD
player that you could play like guerrillacalls and the Ohio Call and all that
stuff. So they went down setthat up to the broadcast over the valley.
When we got out there, Irealized I had forgotten. And this

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is earlier in the night. Itwas still daylight, and I realized I'd
forgotten the nights scope. When Ipacked, I was so excited about the
night scope on the porch and Icalled that buddy, eh you actually we
interviewed on the show here. Hewas a nurse and he was gonna go
to go surfing up the clament anyway, So I called and said, hey,
you're going to the Clama Still,I said yeah, I said,
dude, can you please bring mynight vision scop But he knew how important

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it was to me. He goes, yeah, I'll do it. So
he went and grabbed my night scopefor me, drove up there, and
he got there just before dark andhe'd gone diving and had some abalone.
He just he'd had some. He'dcooked some abalone. He brought the abyloni
up and was sitting on top ofthe truck. It was you know,
it was just cooked. It smeltreally good. And so he had a
little toy to pick up. Ihad match a little to two wheel driver.

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We bought a little Toytos standard cabyou know pickups. So he had
a show on his little Toyota andI had didn't have one on mine.
And we were parked right at theedge of that regrowth and then John and
and Manny were in one vehicle andJim were down there and they'd set up
their call blaster. You know,it's maybe forty fifty yards down from where

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we were parked there, down ona little spur road in the in the
middle of the clear cut. Ijust told the h I'm like, you
know what, I want to goup higher, I want to get up,
and I saw this big old girlsstump sitting up on the hill above
those guys. We measured it later. It was one hundred and twenty yards
one hundred twenty five yards from thevehicles where we were parked. So we
we walked up there, and Iwas so freaked out still by what had

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happened five minutes early. I meanI was I thought I was going to
die five minutes earlier by these things. So I was pretty nervous. And
oh when we got there, whenwe did the first calls, before we
even set the calls, I didmy own calls. We got this crazy
scream from down on the clamp everyway below into this scream like the classic
murder woman being murdered scream, andwe were like oh, we were all

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excited. We're like, oh,yeah, they're close by. And I
said, hey, John, canI borrow again? And freydis is the
most he was in the very finalepisode of Finding big Foot when we went
out went up the final one.I guess it was the second to last
one, the Bluff Creek one thebeside before the reunion show was the last.
When we did where we're in Willowcreek and we got those callbacks phns.

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With John, we got the returncalls. But he's the most that's
the guy. He's the most fearless. Him and money Maker the two most
furious guys I've seen out in thewoods. Like never afraid of anything at
all, like nothing, like John'snot phased but anything. I said,
Hey, can I borrow one ofyour guns? He goes, I just
got one. He had a threefifty seven. I said, all right,
I'll take that. So I putthat in my backpocket. It was
a little snub nose out of mybackpocket. I felt better, so I

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mean, eh, climbed up onthe hill. I went up on top
of that stump and I had tothe night scope and then we're there for
about I think it was about ahalf hour sitting up there. And then
John was doing a live broadcast thatit was a TV show and a radio
show. At the time, itwas the six or seventh post listening to
radio show in the world. Itwas Sightings that shows Sightings. I can't

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remember the host, Jeff France.So John was doing a live call in
to the show and he actually thecompany running him a satellite phone. So
we had a satellite phone with himto use for the call in they'd sent
him. So he was doing hiscalling live, calling into the show,
and just as they were about tostart from the tree line where the where

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our right where our trucks are apart, we heard three grunt growls and they
were just like what I'd heard acouple of nights before that, Like like,
I can't it's like a into agrowlic. That's not it, but
kind of get the idea. Therewas three loud, deep ones came from
that treeline where our trucks were.We're like, oh my god, it's

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there's one here. And I justfor some reason I thought it was for
sure the big one, because it'snot like that big one that charged than
a couple of nights before five inntsbefore. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and
Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'llbe right back after these messages. And

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I was all sided, so eachand passing back to the scope, passing
back to the scope. Then SoJohn's meantime trying to talk to the guy
Jeff France on the radio show livewith the satellite phone, but it's not
coming in. It's a he's havingbad receptions. He's in a barn classic
dude, Michael Scott, he hada was it a barren nose? A
sea bring? He had a convertiblesea bring and they had the top down.

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He's in this little you know cardyou know. He drove up there,
driving real slow, just going acouple miles an hour, trying to
get reception. And he gets receptionright next to my truck. And he's
parked there and I'm looking down.He goes, hey, there's a bear
stump on its feet and growling,I mean the tree line kind of truck.
And we figured, well, thatmakes sense because we got the abylone

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up there. You know, it'sfresh albon. He just coached. It
smells killer. So we're looking thereand looking there, and that's why I
was looking at going God, howcould I miss it? I don't remember
that big stunt. There's this bigblack stump on my truck and Johnson.
There's Johnson on the other side ofmy truck, you know, sitting down
low in his little convertible. I'mgoing like, I mean, he's only
thirty feet from it, and I'mgoing like, how did I not know
there was a giant stump? Nextto my truck, because, like I

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said, the biggest tree done waseight inches and there's like this huge black
stump next to my truck. I'mjust like, God, that's weird.
And then I see the stump getup, turn and walk into the tree
line. I'm like, I'm tellingJohn on the radio, dude, it's
because he was on a he wason a commercial break from the Sightings radio
show, and I'm on the I'mon a little walkie talkie going, dude,

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how can you? John's right nextto you. It's walking into the
tree line. He couldn't see it. It's behind my truck from his angle,
plus it was dark, and hedoes not see it, and it
walks the show and I was justblown away. So I'm looking looking,
and then I see it pop backout about fifty yards down the hill where
those big trees come. At thispoint, I didn't know that was the
old trail, the Hoopa Trail foottrail. There's there's a pretty big stump

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down there, like old growth redwoodstump, and then a deciduous hardwood tree
that was probably eighteen inches thick orso. And I'm looking down her,
going, well, what is that? I'm seeing movement. And then I'm
looking and I a sudden I seethis thing walk across that little gap where
the trail is. It goes fromthe stunt to behind the tree. And

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I'm looking going and there was alittle bit of moon coming out. There's
just a little bit of moon comingup behind the little bit of clouds.
There's a little partial clouds. Andwhen the moon came out just enough for
me to see there's enough light tosee, I see it go behind that
tree. So it's heads behind thetree, but it's shoulders are hanging out
each side by like a good footfoot and a half or sticking out each

(50:27):
side of the tree. Then Isee it lean out and poke its head
out. Just look like a coconutsitting on top of a brick shed or
something, you know. I mean, it just looked like this big solid
mass and then with a coconut ontop. And then you see the coconut
lean out. Then when I flickedon that little iron light, I'd flick
on a little iron light on thecamera on the camera on the night vision,
it would jump back behind the treelike it reminded me of an ostage

(50:49):
with its head stuck between its legsunder the sand, like, Okay,
if I can't see them and theycan't see my head, then I'm invisible.
But it's it's body was taking outboth sides, so I remember looking,
and then it started and it walkedback over behind the stump, and
the stump came right between its bellybutton in the bottom of its chest,
and it starts bobbing up and downlike a like I remember looking at Eric.

(51:09):
I guess, go, it's agiant freaking monkey. It's a giant
freaking monkeys. Was doing that bobbingback and forth, kind of like slowly
bobbing, and like it would raiseup on one foot, then raise one
arm, like it would raise upon its right foot and raise its left
arm and left leg, then shiftits weight over to its left foot,
raise its right arm and right leglike it was agitated, going back and

(51:30):
forth. Then it would and itwould lean forward and then walk back over
behind the tree and then poke itshead out behind a tree, and then
you can still see the rest ofits body. So I had the night
scope to Eric, and we goback and forth for twenty twenty five minutes.
Whatever it is, just watching thisthing, and it would disappear whenever.
When we couldn't see it, Johnsay, okay, it's approaching me.

(51:50):
It's approaching me. We never sawit come out on the tree line
by him again. I only sawthat one time where it came out up
there. But then you'd say,okay, it's walking away there. We
wouldn't see it. He wouldn't.He wouldn't hear it for a few minutes,
and we'd pop back out of thattrail head down below and be looking
up at us. And then oneof the bummers was was John had the
radio the broadcasting with the call blaster. Didn't Manny and Jim didn't know that

(52:15):
this was going on. They didn'thave a radio. So every time John
hit the breaks that meant to playthe recording the call blasts so that Jeff
French guys could hear it at home. And as he's you know, back,
he's going back and forth, pullingback and forth, trying to find
the angle where he could see inwhere it was every time he hit his

(52:37):
brakes. So the guys had playedthe Ohio Hall Ohio call and then aggressive
Grilla call. So I was prettybungcous. I didn't want to what was
there to realize that the calls werecoming from us, but obviously did because
for the next fifteen minutes is Johnwent back and forth turning his brakes.
There was another Ohio call. Imean, this thing was loud, dude,
It's just echoing through the canyon formiles. And this went on for

(53:00):
a while, and then John gotfresher and just said, I've got to
see this thing. And we didn'thave any cameras, you know, that
could really record it. So hebacked up and put his high beams on
and yeah, you know, scannedthe tree line back ups. It was
headlights swept the woods and then wedidn't hear anything after that, just went
dead. But yeah, that wasmy first. Oh so the next one

(53:22):
we went down there and that stumpwe measured it was six foot nine,
six foot ten basically, so thiswe thought. We thought it was a
four foot so looking at that nightfrom being next to the truck, Eric
never saw it next to the truck. I did. He only saw it
down by the tree line, whichwas further away, but we were guessing

(53:44):
it was seven. We well,just from where we were, we were
guessing it was. We guessed thestump was four foot tall that it was
seven feet tall and was sticking aboutthree feet above the stump. We figured
that, you know, just lookingfrom the over figy to Wealth, the
tree is a twelve inch thick tree, you know, sticking out a foot,
you know, couple of feet wide, and it was almost as thick
when it turns someways across the trail. It was almost as thick as it

(54:06):
was wide. Not quite, butit was. It was really thick.
We get down there and the treewas putting into heavy house about eighteen inches
and it was sticking out eighteen incheson each side. So it was like,
you know, four and a halffoot across the shoulders or something like
that, four and a half feetacross the shoulders five feet maybe at the
most, I'd say four four anda half. There was at least three
foot from front front front of thechest to the back of its back.

(54:28):
It had to be at least threefoot thick that way. It had to
be nine and a half. Ithought it was ten foot. But our
buddy who lived on the ranch bythere, who had sought on horseback on
a flat on it. He wason a flat, leveled off landing area
from a logging landing. He wason his horse and it was behind a

(54:51):
stack of logs, and he's unevenground that he said it was. He
was looking right at it, andit was. He said it was nine
and a half foot tall, Soit was at least nine and a half
so it's between nine and a halften foot tall somewhere and there it was.
It was huge. Then John,I had to leave out how to
get back to town that morning.Size out of it pretty early too,

(55:14):
went down there and I left,And later that day he found a seventeen
seventeen and three quarter inch long footprintpressing the hard pan. This dirt is
like it's like rock in the summertimewhen it's dry like that. It's just
you know, it was pressed downthree quarter inch deep in the deepest spots,
but it was about a quarter anda half quarter to a half inch

(55:35):
deep most most of the spots whereit was the classic eight foot across the
ball seventeen a half inches long,seventeen three quarter inches long, giant,
you know, just heavy let's Butthere sat our Toto's put were impressed,
maybe an eighth ofvi inch deep,and these things and they weren't even that
maybe sixteenth of an inch, eighthof an inch of the most This thing

(55:57):
was you know, quarter inch ofthe shallowest of at three quarter inch deep
at the deepest. So I meanthe turtle truck's not making a dance.
This thing was pressing into the ground. This seam was pressing into the ground
where the turtles we're making a danSo I mean it had to have great
mass. And wait, you haveit. After we saw that, ever,
we went to bed. I wasjust going to sleep in the back
of my truck and I like,Eric moved over. I'm sleeping in the

(56:19):
back of the end of and hehad a shell. He had a regular
size you know, the small turtletruck with the the shell was the same
profile as the height of the calf. And he had a carpet hit in
the back so that he could putlike, you know, store wet suits
and boards underneath that whatever when he'ssleeping. So I got and you know,
it's room for really one guy,and I'm like, dude, move

(56:42):
over. So I squeezed in therewith him. We laid there all night,
barely slept. We thought for surewe're going to get the truck flipped
over because there was a lot ofstories back there, in them picking up
cars and trucks and shaking them whenpeople were sleeping inside of him. So
I thought that was gonna happen.I thought I was gonna rip off the
back and tear us out of thereor something. But nothing happened the rest
of the night. But it's kindof funny watching me. I was like,
I was like dd my dog tryingto crawl into something, hide myself,

(57:06):
you know, just cuddling up withmy buddy all night. But yeah,
So then I spent a lot oftime up there. I mean I
spent nights and nights and nights andnights with a sunny night shot out there,
hopings that I had a sunny nightsshot with a spotlight, a portable
spotlights you know, back when thebatteries sucked and they ruin out fast,
they weren't even a grade of light, and they were pretty good. They

(57:27):
were pretty good. I had thatwith some red that oh god, that
red cell of fame stuff. What'sit called, Yeah, like dub between
I thing they call it. SoI had some red filter over over the
light, and then I had asunny night shot camera and I spent the
next couple of years up there,just trying hoping to see this thing that
I was going to spotlight it withthe spotlight, then turned on the night

(57:49):
shot and film it, you knowthat way. But I never had any
luck, just but I spent alot of nights out there. One thing
that did happen out there, andI thought they're looking was when it I
was up at a duleson prairie upthere you can park and go hiking down
into the road park and it's insidethe park. It's right on the road.
There's a little parking lot there.I was sitting there in this ranger

(58:10):
because back then they always thought Iwas some tweaker out there up to no
good. Like they'd hassle me hardwhen they said they thought I was,
Well, there's a lot of carbreak ins and there's a lot of math
out there, and so they thoughtI was one of those guys. So
I'd get a house and they'd alwaysgive me a hard time and hassle me
and stuff. So this ranger comeswith me, that one of the ranger
cops, he's grilling me, know, he's convinced I'm on drugs, and

(58:32):
like I just look like I amI'm not, and he's giving me a
real hard time, you know,and he's pulling my whole car and he's
pulling my car apart. You're justpulling everything out of the back and going
through my bags. And I wasjust like, damn, this guy's really
given it to me. You know. I was just trying trying to be
you know, always just cool tothem guys. I never gave any house.

(58:52):
I was like, I understand,I understanding. Like I'm glad you
guys right here, because I've hadmy car broken into numerous times over the
years out here, and so gladyou're here. And I understand what you're
doing. You're wasting your time onme. When I was telling about big
Foot, you know, because Iwas always always always talking, I was
always trying to convince those guys,getting them like stats and you know,
who's credible, people that have seenhim, this is that and that and

(59:13):
you know this whatever whatever, whateverdata details I had, you know,
lay on with them all the time. So the dude sitting there, give
me this, you know, he'spass on me, just going through my
stuff. I was somebody hear this, this is a screaming roar. Then
we hear another roar, and thenI also need to hear this just bellowing
and screaming and orient and his face, Dude, his jaw dropped and his

(59:35):
eyes popped out of his head andhe turned just just went white. He
was so scared. He and heturned on his maglite and shined it over,
and dude, like seventy feet froma seventy five feet away, this
huge black beard jumped on a smallerblack bear and had its head in its
mouth and was just ripping it andtearing it with its claws. And the
one on the bottom was screaming itsbloody murder, and the one on top

(59:59):
was roaring and you know, fullattack. The other one's full sevell scream
mode. And we were just theregoing we were both like, oh my
god, like this is crazy,and just watched this bears. He yelled
at it whatever and had his lightand the light and all let the big
one let go and they split apart, and the little one ran off and
the other one ran off the otherway, and and then he was just

(01:00:22):
like, you thought it was abig foot, didn't you? And I
was kind of laughing, and hewas not amused. He was like He's
like, well, no, Idid, I did? You were?
You were more scared than I was. And I was scared for a minute.
And he just goes, no,I wasn't you know, and and
then uh, he got really embarrassedand he just laughed. Yeah. He
never hassled me again after that.Nice. That's wild. Yeah, because

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I had heard the story about yourfirst siding with the night Vision Unit and
Fred it's being on the call withthe radio show, but I did I
never realized that that was right inthe aftermath of that other encountering in the
same place. I had no idea. Oh yeah, there are five days
apart, because I saw it onApril or May twenty six and the first
night Encounters May twenty first. Well, I see we're coming up on our

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hour mark here, so maybe wecan hop over to the member section then
and talk about some of your otherencounters, whether visual or otherwise there.
If you're up for it. Thatsounds good because my best setting wasn't long
after that A couple of years later, was in Mexico on the Hickoria Patch
Reservation. I'll tell that story.Oh, that'd be great. Yeah,
we'll hop over there now, andas Cliff usually says, you know,

(01:01:27):
since I produced these, I puttogether the show notes. I always have
a link in the show notes,and so if you're not already a member,
if you'd like to become a member, it's only five dollars a month.
We do an extra episode every week. Those come out every Thursday,
and then we usually post additional content. So if there's photos or videos that
go along with the episodes, oranything Cliff or Bobo related in the meantime,
those get posted there too, andso the link to the membership section

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will be in there in the shownotes as well. Okay, folks,
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