Ep. 232 - Q&A - October, 2023

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and James Bubo Fay, Hey Bobo, how you doing excellent? How are
you just hanging out doing my thing? Do you having a little podcast with
you today? Looking forward to it. It's a Q and A as usual.
Had a good trip to Michigan lastweekend. A lot of good folks
out there. A great little eventfor the first first first year event,
really well run. Was it likea multi paranormal crypted thing or is it

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just big Foot? It's just Bigfoot. Meldrum and Moneymaker and I were scheduled,
but doctor Meldrim isn't doing jobs rightnow. He's just focusing on his
health and getting better, and soAdam Davies stepped in. There's always a
pleasure to see Adam. Yeah,yeah, Adam rules. I love that
guy, and of course Moneymaker rulesas well. It's great to see him.
God, he's the best. It'salways good to see him and catch

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up and find out what's going onand hear about some of the stuff they've
been pulling on expeditions and you know, all that sort of things. So
it was it was great to catchup with them. Oh you know what,
I was going out to Laos tomorrow. We were heading out there.
Just found out it burned down,So tomorrow, huh. I would say,

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go anyway, like worst case scenario, just go camp somewhere else.
Yeah, yeah, I mean there'salways there's a ton of places to go.
Yeah. I mean, Bluff ishistoric, but I mean it's not
necessarily the best big foot spot.There's lots of other places you can check
out bigfoots nearby, you know,and have a very reasonable chance. Well
hey, well you know what Ikeep forgetting that we actually have people listening.
I totally forgot that. Yeah,yeah, I forget that all the

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time. But that's part of thething here, you know. That's part
of the reason we've been started thispodcast is because you and I kind of
talk all the time anyway, andpeople, for whatever reason care. So
let's bring them in the conversation.Because this is our October Q and A
session for our public podcast. We'lldo a members one where only members are

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submitting questions after this, But fornow, let's get rolling with the regular
questions from our fantastic higher than averageintelligence listeners out there. So because all
of if you're listening to our show, you're clearly person of exquisite taste and
high intelligence. So we really reallyappreciate everybody listening. Thank you very much
for all that sort of stuff.And mister Matt Pruitt, why don't you
pipe in the first question for us. Good evening gang, Little Dave from

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Alabama, quick shout out to MattPrewitt. I read the Phenomenal Sasquatch excellent,
excellent book, Matt. I reallydid enjoy it. My question for
y'all is how come Bigfoot seems tobe in the mountainous regions with the exception
of Florida. Is it because theremoteness or do you think they were made

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to live in that style of environment? Just curious of your thoughts. Thank
you boys, and y'all keep upthe great work. Thank you Little Dave.
Well, I think that the Sasquatchesare in the mountainous regions for a
couple reasons. I do think it'spartly the remoteness, but they're not exclusively

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in mountainous regions. They live inforested regions more than mountainous regions. I
think that they're in the mountains becausethat's where most of the forest is over
much of the habitat. But inareas of the country where there are no
mountains are still forests, and westill get sasquatch reports from those places,
especially swampy areas, yes, swampyareas, and and of course it all

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comes down to the same thing.Food. They those places. The forested
regions hold the resources that sasquatches needto survive, and that's why they're there.
And of course mountains are great forbigfoots, but I mean their feet
are adapted especially well to traversing terrainlike that up and down the hills.
They're very strong, they can powerup and down the mountains with very little

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efforts. They're very very good atmountains. But they don't need mountains per
se. They need the plant life, the cover, and the food that
the mountains and the swamps and theforested regions and whatnot have to offer.
And I think that's a that's adifferent way little Dave to look at this.
It's not the mountains, it's whatthe mountains offer, and mountains and

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of course the solitude or the remotenessas you put it, I think is
part of it as well. Theydon't want people around because people kind of
ruin things, like they pave things, and they build houses and they do
things like that. So I thinkthat that is the focus. What about
you, bobs, what do youthink? Yeah, I mean I agree
with that. It's just where there'sfood, water cover. I mean,
that's where they're at. I meanthere's a lot of shrub shrub. I

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mean it's kind of they'd like tobe in places that the shrubs, bushes,
whatever are at least over their head. Yeah, but I'm thinking I'm
thinking like eastern Ohio, you know, like like up by Akron, not
southeast, because there's mountains and whateverelse down there, you know, but
out by Akron it's not really necessarilymountainous per se, but there are bigfoots
in there. Oh yeah, yeah, they do like the topography, you

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know, the elevation chains and changesand whatnot. But again that that's where
all the that's where the plants aregrowing, you know. And whether sasquatches
are we don't know, of course, if sasquatches are predominantly carnivorous or herbivorous.
I lean towards they mostly eat plantmatter and get meat where they win
and where they can. But Idon't know, nobody really knows, but

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that you know, they're eating theplants, and they're eating the things that
eat the plants, the deer andthe rabbits and all that other stuff.
So they're just good at what theydo, man, And that's where that's
where they choose to live. That'sthat their habitat of choice. That's where
the most food resources are. Andyou know, think about this too,
as far as mountains go. Thisis kind of a side thing that I
don't want to I don't want tooveremphasize sasquatches living in mountains because they live

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in forested areas more and you know, mountains tend to be forested. But
the mountains give a distinct advantage aswell, because you figure, like a
flat surface, a flat surface thathas forest on it, you have a
certain number of square miles or squarewhatever square units to feed upon. But
when you introduce mountains into that,one of the effects of mountains is that

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it increases the surface area, Itincreases the surface area on which to feed,
because you know, when you raisethat flat plane, there's more surface
area all of a sudden, soit actually gives them that advantage as well.
Hills and topography in general, mountainsand that sort of thing. It
increases the surface area on which plantscan grow, which increases the food resources

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for all the animals. So maybethat has something to do with it too,
Like I think those different ecosystems likea you know, or a mountain
comes down at the bottom there's likea lake, and then pass the lake
there's a swamp. I love thatthere's multiple environmentally, we get multiple food
sources different times. They can verticallymigrate it down the mountains. Things in
the spring they can follow the bloomup absolutely all right, Well there you

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go, Davito, Little Dave reallyappreciate it. I really appreciate your your
questions over time. It's nice tohave regulars on the show as well.
I think that's cool. So thankyou very much, And why don't we
hop onto the next question. Youmade a picture book of that of a
phenomenal sasquash prout. I was goingto say, Dave, thanks so much

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for the kind words about the book. I'm just wondering how someone in Alabama
wrote a book. Now I'm fromthe South to them fighting. All those
are my nemesis. Services say,beat us in the national title game for
what sport? College football? NotreDame part of the most dominant football team
of all time college history, especiallymodern history. Wait wait, wait,

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is that is that the Crimson Tide? Yes? Oh, look at me,
But of course you know where Iknow that from, Bobo when we
were down there filming. And now, when we were down there filming,
I heard it a lot go tightor whatever they're saying. Yeah, role
Tide. You know, I didn'tthink it was laundry detergent or anything,
but because I actually had a connectionSteely Dan the song Deacon Blues. Yeah,

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anyway, I thought that'd just throwit out there, just messing with
your little Dave. We love you, brother again. Thank you very much
for the question. But mister MattPrutt Q up number two high Cliff,
Hi, Bobo. I hope you'reboth having an awesome day. I love
the podcast and your work on findingBigfoot. I'm watching through season one right
now before I go to bed atnight. My name is Bing and I

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live in North Queensland, Australia.It's kind of a mix between Florida and
Texas up here, or I guessit's down here from where you goes are,
but with flush tropical rainforest, it'sactually very squatchy in some places.
My question to you, guys iswhat's the craziest yowee story or report you've

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heard or read that's come out ofAustralia. Thanks again, guys, and
take it easy. We've been toQueensland. Beautiful area, Holy smokes,
it's great. People ask me allthe time, where would you like?
You know, where's your favorite placethat you went to on finding Bigfoot?
And I always say Oregon. That'swhy I live here. I'm not wasting
my time living somewhere where I don'tlove. But if there is a place
outside of my home where I alwayswhere I would be willing and thrilled to

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go back to, it's definitely Australia. It is absolutely fantastic there in Queensland.
Fantastic habitats for yaowei's or sasquatches orwhatever, and yeah, you know
what you mentioned something. It iskind of like Texas, and the people
are kind of like Texans. Theyappreciate a good barbecue. They'll give you
some crap if they like you.Yeah, I found Australia to be very

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similar to Texas in a lot ofways, oddly enough. But yeah,
what was the craziest Yaowi story?There are so many because I think that
the I think that the Yowi researchstuff. I mean, nowadays, there's
a couple groups out there that aredoing really good work and everything, But
until kind of recently, I kindof felt that the Yowi research were a

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few decades behind the bigfoot thing.They were still treating these things as monsters
and cannibals and all this other stuffand striking fear and like, oh they're
they're dangerous or and I don't know, maybe that's true, but it's not
doesn't seem to be panning out withthe data at this point. It seems
that the Yaoui, whatever they are, whether they're the same species of sasquatches
or something a little different, seemsto have most of the habits of sasquatch,

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you know, kind of shy,and they tend to retreat or look
at you if if you're of anyinterest at all. I don't think that
they're the monsters and whatnot. Thatthe earlier Yawi researchers were, we're painting
them as but I don't know crazyYaoi stories. But you're deeper into the
Aoi thing than I am. Whatdo you have to say about that?

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There was that one where the sniperteam was out on there on It was
Australian SAX or Special Forces green Berytype guys. They went out, They're
on maneuvers doing a exercise war exercise, and this sniper team it's you know,
this thing comes in. They hada ground sensors to that in case
theyone approached them like they're set offa little you know, like a little

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Richter scale kind of thing, youknow, like like a draft park when
the t rex is coming in andit's all boom. So they were picking
something up walking heavy on their perimeter, you know, and they can tell
like when it's a kangaroo because that'sthe biggest thing out there and it goes
bump bump, you know, it'slike popping. This thing was walking bipedally.
It was big. It wasn't giant. I think it was like six
eight to seven foot and probably fourhundred pounds, but it was super fast

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and it would rush them and theyended up they got They were shooting at
it all night and they they don'tthey don't couldn't tell if they hit it
or not. They thought they hitit maybe a couple of times, but
didn't. It just it was screaminga lot, so they didn't sure if
they hit it or not, andit didn't seem to slow it down if
they did, and it was wascharging them. Had a built they built
up a fire and built it upreal big, and it was trying to

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get them all night long. Imean, I think I think the Alley's
definitely have a I think they're definitelycapable of making people disappear down there.
Well, definitely capable, But I'mnot habitually doing so. Yeah, I
don't know. I don't know howoften it happens. But well, I
know you're just saying like you thinkit's overblown, and it's probably it was
overblown, how scared of them theywere. But I still think it's like

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not unreasonable be a little bit afraidof them. Oh no, I say
that all the time. You know, these are not your forest friends,
as they're often depicted. These arelarge, dangerous, wild animals and the
scariest kind with like an intelligence,you know, beneath but approaching human and
with hands hands, you know,that's that's hands don't make a good pet.

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This is like the worst kind ofwild animal in a lot of ways,
and they're very potentially dangerous. Youshould be very very cautious around them,
you know, keep them at agood distance. For example, we
almost got this witness on our show. They were arriving their bicycle down to
the Plaga kind of near the QueenslandNew South Wales board within an hour or
two of that, I guess,I'm pretty sure it is anyways, maybe

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it's maybe it's a little further south, but it's famous on the as being
like, you know, kind ofspooky, creepy place, and I think
that's where this took place. Itwas the They were riding down the main
road like kind of like almost likea highway, but the main road for
that area, coming out of themountains heading down to the coast, and

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as they were riding along, thisbig yahwi comes ripping out of the side
and it's just growling and just comingat him and start puts its arms up
the grab and they were pedaling fasterand fasterones thing just just getting up on
him. And then a car camearound the corner started honking like when you
know honking, just scared and itscared off and veered off, and then

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there was someone disappeared there and therewas a I think it was a motorcycle
was found nearby that the person hadbeen on and the person was just gone,
no sign of them anywhere. Sois that the crazy story you have
from from you know, Yawei Land. God, I've heard so many.
There's that one in the book.We talked, well, we talked to
Paul Cropper, you know, wewent over to couple them like that one

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where the four guys were chased onhorseback the cowboys back in whatever it was
like eighty years ago or one hundredyears ago. But they got chased for
miles and miles and miles and itchased them through the night for like eight
hours. And in the morning whenthey got up it remember they was throwing
rocks at them. They had togo past the spot where it was and
it was stand up on the mountain. It was blocking their way out,
is the only road out, andwas standing out there. And then they

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finally went road towards it and itjust disappeared at the end, but it
haunted them all night, throwing bigrocks at them, and just that was
a pretty scary one. Yeah,but again pretty typical big behavior. This
one sounded pretty like the way itwas throwing them, it sounds like it
was trying to trying to seriously hurthim or kill him. Are you saying
before you don't you don't know anyone'sbeen hit with a big rock by one
not a big rock. I knowpeople have been hit by small rocks.

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Turtle Mound got his rooms broke bythat went through the softball sized rock at
him like super hard. Oh noah, you know that you mentioned it.
I think that. Yeah, Ithink I do remember him saying that.
Actually, yeah, interesting in thehospital. No, I guess I do
know somebody then I love being wrong. Luckily it happens a lot. Oh
you know what, This is alittle side note. I mean, this
isn't exactly an addressing Bing's question herefrom Australia, but I had a witness

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in the museum like last week orsomething like that. Had a couple this
week too from Malala, which isgreat. One of them the Malala stuff
happened right before the fire, becauseMalala is pretty burnout at this point,
right by that bridge, right whatis it the what is it glenn Avon
Bridge? But I could be wrong. Yeah, something over there. And
then another group like last year,has some rocks run him, I guess

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in Malala. But that's not whatI want to bring up. There was
a gentleman in the shop who sawone in Oklahoma, you know, a
few years ago, maybe twenty seventeen. He saw it from about sixty feet
seventy feet away or something like that, across a small pond, and when
he saw it, it was hittinga tree with a stick, and then
it saw him and then drop thestick and then walked off in the woods.

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So but anyway, I thought thatwas cool. Again, most sighting
reports are just where and when.That's the great information unless they're doing some
sort of interesting behavior like this onewas. And I thought that was kind
of cool. So I just wantedto bring it up real fast. I
think that's my third third report.I'd have to check third report of somebody
seeing a sasquatch hit a tree witha stick to make knocking noises. For

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how much it's reported, it's it'sincredibly observed, right, So I mean
again, I don't quote me becausemy memory is a little fuzzy. Just
my memory is fuzzy on the insideof my brain, just like it's fuzzy
on the outside of my head.But I believe I have three of three
reports of them hitting sticks against treesnow and three reports of them clapping,

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so we'll see. But no reportsof them going with their tongue or anything
yet. But how would you evennotice that, I guess if you're looking
at a sasquatch. So I've definitelyheard another podcast where people who reported them
a couple of more than where itwas doing that with their tongue. Stay
tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond withCliff and Bobo. We'll be right back

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after these messages. When don't wehop onto the next question here? Hi
Bobo, Hi Cliff, A hugefan of yours here in Colorado. My
question is what do you think itwill take to get to the point where

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we can observe these species up close? Do you think that we'll ever get
to the point of being able tohave friendly interactions with Bigfoot kind of the
same way that we're able to observedeer or elk from a distance. Thank
you so much, love your showFinding Bigfoot, and love your podcast.
Keep up the good work. Allright. That's Brianna from Colorado. Thank

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you very much for the question.Sure appreciate it. As far as having
a friendly interactions with him, that'swhere I got hung up on the question.
I don't think that's gonna happen.I think that you're gonna have a
lot of neutral interactions with them,but friendly that kind of paints a different
picture. And also, I'm notso sure we're having friendly interactions with elk,
you know, that might be astretch as well. To be honest

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with you, there may be circumstancesin the future after the species has proven
to be real at locations where theSasquatches are frequenting, like probably rural homesteads
more than anywhere else, that theremight be some sort of interaction that might

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be extended, I think, andextended interactions in this case might be just
a few minutes at the most.I'm not sure we're going to be able
to, you know, walk upin high five of them or anything like
that. At some point. Ithink it's more like giftings, like the
best you can hope for, yeah, gifting or maybe doing something of interest
that they might feel comfortable, mightmaybe sitting on the opposite hillside watching you

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or something. Yeah, I'm notsure what other interactions might be available from
them in that sort of way.I'm trying to think. I'm kind of
going through the other large animals.Okay, friendly interactions with brown bears.
Well, in all the friendly interactionswith brown bears, the brown bears,
like the grizzlies, have been takenat when there were cubs and raised by

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somebody. I don't think that's goingto happen with sasquatches. So what else?
What are you thinking? Both?So do you have any thoughts on
this? I'm not so sure it'sgoing to happen. If she means like
in a research sense, I mean, I'm sure we're gonna when we get
better surveillance equipment, like cameras aregetting smaller, Like you know, there's
way more Bluetooth stuff and Wi Fi. You know, the systems set up
where they can capture a lot morestuff. I think that that in a

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sense will bring us closer and beable to observe more of it and have
you know, like non violent oraggressive encounters with like physical you know,
human researchers. If the government somehowgot their hands on a wild you known
adult, I don't think that thingwould ever really, you know, trying
to bring into wild male chimpanzee anddomesticated, I don't think it's gonna work.

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Yeah, I'm not so sure that'sI'm not so sure that's going to
happen. I think if you've gotan infant, I think you could do.
You could really do pretty well withit. I reckon imagine the stress
of getting an infant, like becauseyou know, mom's not far. Yeah,
I don't think you could hold herdown, hold her back and then
and as far. And they're maybenot with the infant because they may not
know any better. But like withany sasquatch has been alive for a few

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years, there will be fear andresentment in captivity. And I don't want
a sasquatch that's around that's afraid orresentful of me. They be studying it,
going like they do this and this, and it's like, yeah,
that's what one does. It's beentraumatized and completely and removed from a social
environment and everything else. Yeah,then you're going to get some you're not
going to get like a natural actingspecimen. No, no, And you

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know, the good old studies andthe fossy studies and stuff kind of skews
some of the possibilities I think withsasquatches, because sasquatches are not these other
ape species and they don't have thesame habits, they don't travel on the
same size of troops and whatnot.You're talking about maybe two or three individuals
in a valley that's you know,five and a half miles long, and

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that can just pop over the ridgeinto the next valley that they also kind
of own in their own territorial sortof way. We're not talking about twenty
or thirty individuals that are easy totrack and come up upon and stuff.
So I don't know. I thinkit's just kind of a waiting game.
It's like doing something to bring themback to the same place. But even
these long term witnesses are so calledhabituators and stuff. Some of the ones
I work with at least that thebigfoots come by, they're around for a

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couple of days, and they disappearfor a few weeks or a few months.
There's one woman up in Washington nearthe Olympic Peninsula that writes me every
once in a while she says,Yeah, they're gone for three to five
years at a time, then theycome back and around for a few months,
and then they disappear again. Now, as possible she's just not noticing
that they're around, because sasquatches arereally good at what they do. But

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it also is possible that she's correct. And she also told me that you
she can always tell when they're aroundbecause all the possums and raccoons disappear.
Yeah, I hear that all thetime. Yeah, So I don't know.
I think the inner friendly interactions,it's going to be pretty tough.
I think even extended observations, Likeif we downshift a little bit from friendly
interactions to extended observations, those aregoing to be exceedingly rare as well.

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It would take probably a great dealof planning. Now, of course,
there's a couple there's a couple ofpeople out there that we know pretty well
that have sasquatches on or near theirproperty with some regularity, maybe once a
month or something like that. Theynotice that they're around, and these people
are putting up cameras just surveillance camerason their house, and maybe a sasquatch

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will trip one of these. Wedon't really know. We don't really know
yet. The experiment is brand new, as in like a month or two
ago, so you know, I'madvising as i'm needed, although these guys
pretty much much have it under control, and I'm just looking forward to seeing
the results. So we'll see.Maybe that will yield some repeated extended observations.
But then again, extended, I'mtripping up on my own words,

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because how extended can it be?If the sasquatches are coming near the house
occasionally, they're not going to hangout of the house and like go in
the sauna or something for a couple, you know, for ten minutes.
They're just going to approach the house, trip out a little bit, and
then leave most likely. And that'snot exactly extended, probably two or three
minutes at the most. We've beengrappling with this for a long time.
How do you get how do youobserve a sasquatch at all with your own

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eyes or on camera? How doyou do that? You know? And
so far clearly no one has agood answer for it. Number one's being
out there as much as you can. Yeah, to catch a glimpse.
Yeah, but then what do youdo for the next step? What do
you do for the next step?Yeah, I don't know, Brianna,
you know a good question. I'mafraid there is no good answer that I'm

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aware of yet. But maybe somethingwill happen. I don't know. It's
particularly of that one. Well,I don't feel like we did, but
I think it's all we have.Yeah, it's not an easy one.
Those simple answer, that's for sure. I've got a simple solution all this,
Matt Prude, give us a nextquestion. Hey, clipping, but
woa, this is Bazil from NewMexico. I just wanted to get your

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thoughts on the recently discovered, Wellrecently in twenty twenty one discovered footprints in
the White Sands area of New Mexico, ancient human footprints. And I know,
Cliff, you're a footprint connoisseur,and I just found those footprints very
interesting in that the toes seem displayedand they almost look fake, as do

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a lot of skeptics opinions of acertain big foot footprints. Just wanted your
thoughts in comparison with that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Tom here from
New Mexico is telling us about thesefootprints that were discovered in white sands and
what is it National Park or somethinglike that. It's in New Mexico anyway,

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and they're there there are they arefossilized human footprints, essentially, and
the big deal about them. They'rein the news quite heavily at this moment,
and they have been for the lastmaybe two weeks. The big news,
of course is that if they're datingthese footprints correctly, it pushes back
the presence of Homo sapiens in NorthAmerica pretty significantly. Like most recently they

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most folks that the accepted paradigm hasbeen that that sasquatches, that humans have
been in North America, you know, fourteen to fifteen thousand years, give
or take a little bit, rightthat another thousand years, you know,
so fourteen fifteen thousand years. Butthese footprints they use some dating methods here,
and these footprints indicate that well,they are human prints, of course,

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and these things have humans have beenhere for twenty to twenty three thousand
years. And that's a big difference, huge, yeah, huge difference.
And of course, I mean,I'm sure of our native listeners are going,
well, duh, even longer thanthat, and then yeah, very
very likely. But of course,but you know, we're waiting for scientists
to catch up on a lot ofthings, and of course are scientists look

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at evidence. So it's very likelyhumans have been here for very, very
much longer than that, but we'relooking for evidence of that. And I
can understand that. I'm an evidencekind of guy too. These are controversial,
not only because it kind of upendsthe paradigm that humans have been here
for you know, fifteen thousand yearsand now twenty one thousand years, Well

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that's kind of a long time.But I guess part of the controversy is
also how they dated these things.They did carbon dating, I guess on
some of the plants that were inthat strata, if I remember the article
correctly. And so that's a littlebit of controversy there, and some scientists
are saying, no, you gotit wrong. You can't do that.
So now they're trying to find othermethods narrowing in that date. And I

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think if they get two or threeor four different methods all showing that date,
then they really really have something there. And they may have it now.
I just don't know, because theseare human prints. But I guess
really Tom was asking something about themorphology of them more than anything, I
think, but very very interesting stuff. They do look a little funny.
And when I look at these,obviously, like my news feed is kind

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of geared towards what I like,right, just like all of ours is.
And when you look at the footprintsin the ground, I keep thinking,
you know, these fossilized footprints.I always look at them again and
say, you know what, ifthese were sasquatch prints, no one to
believe them because they look so wonky. And I agree, I agree,
I think that's the case. Ithink that they do look wonky. But
it also goes to say something aboutfootprints in general, that a lot of

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these people who say, oh,that footprint line is fake because the way
it looks, well, i'll sayit again that these people don't have a
lot of experience with footprints, becauseeven these human prints, these are almost
sapian footprints. They show longitude andlarge. The toes are more displayed because
they're not wearing shoes. Obviously theyweren't habitual shoe wearers, most likely at

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least certainly not the shoes that wehave today that kind of tame the foot,
that kind of bring the foot inand make sure that the toes are
doing what they need to do.So but the people who are saying,
oh, that's not a Sasquatch printbecause it looks so different than all the
other, well, look at morefootprints human or otherwise, especially archaeological finds

(28:10):
of footprints, because those are reallyinstructive on the flexibility of the human foot
that has never worn shoes. Soyeah, very very interesting find, very
very instructive in a lot of ways, especially for Sasquatch researchers, because you
can see how flexible even a humanfoot can be if not constricted inside the
confines of a modern shoe. Andyeah, they do look wonky, and

(28:36):
there is a lot of variation fromfootstep to footstep as the toes move and
splay and they're slipping and sliding andall this other stuff. And now when
you take a sasquatch print and compareit to a human print, it should
be even more wonky because human printsare you know, humans have a pretty
rigid foot, even these ancient humanswho never wore shoes. Now a sasquatch,

(28:57):
their feet are I very often say, and I'm maybe I'm only approximately
right, but I know I'm atleast a little right. Sasquatch feet are
probably almost as flexible as our handsare, and the toes are almost as
long as our fingers, if notas long as our fingers. And so
imagine a big, soft, flappy, flexible thing like that with some rigidity

(29:22):
in structure. Don't can me wrong. It's not like a well to you
maybe, but imagine I'm not sayingthat these things are like, you know,
flippers or something like that, butthere is structure in there and whatever,
especially the muscles and all that has. But imagine a big, soft,
padded flexible thing that can move likeyour hand can. Making footprints in

(29:45):
the ground, there will be ahuge variety of impressions shapes of impressions step
to step, and these ancient humanprints kind of point that direction, even
more so because these are human printsthat are not as flexible that with humans,
wort of have as flexible as feet, and Sasquatch prints are just on
another level altogether. Word word right. Thank you Bobo for chiming in.

(30:07):
So yeah, cool stuff, Tom. I think this is a fantastic a
fantastic find very instructive, even thoughthese are clearly human prints, very instructive
on the study of Sasquatch feet andfootprints as something to contrast against. It's
very hard to find humans nowadays thatdon't wear shoes or never really have habitually,
very difficult to find those people.So these fossilized footprints are instructive in

(30:33):
that sort of way. Yeah.Well, talking about the age and when
people first started getting here, therewas a wealthy tribe in Washington State that
have their own archaeologists, tribal archaeologistshelp them. I think they have too
them. And they found an oldcampsite that they said they have ash fire
remaine a date to about seventy thousand, seventy thousand years ago. Well,

(31:00):
that'd be an exciting find. Ihope they publish it out there someday.
This was a long time ago,This was Jeezu. This was in two
thousand and four, two thousand andfive. Why would they not publish it
like this to show that, like, we've been here longer than you think.
That's what That's what I didn't get. But they didn't want to bring
in They just wanted to They justit was for their own information or whatever.

(31:23):
I guess that's how they felt aboutit. But I was telling them
like, this is just gonna donothing but slid a file all your client.
I mean, we've already been herethousands years. We know that.
Like they're like, that's irrelevant forour Wang claims. Yeah, I don't
know. I don't understand this ideaof like hide it from the scientists,
you know, why not just like, hey, let's get validation from these

(31:45):
people who have no dog in thefight, and that'll prove a right even
more so, Right, stay tunedfor more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Bobo. We'll be right back afterthese messages. So all right, for
we got one more? What haveyou got for us? Hey, guys,

(32:07):
this is Jennifer from Austin, Texas. Been listening for a while and
have heard Cliff talk about his theoryabout a robust paranthropist being the closest relative
to Bigfoot, and Matt has mentionedin some episodes and in his book that
Gigantipithecus is a better choice for theclosest relative. I was wondering if Bobo

(32:28):
had any thoughts one way or theother, or if he's still open to
seeing what more evidence shows. Thankyou guys for all you do. Can't
wait for the next episode. Imean it could be either one of those.
That could very well be something wedon't even know about it that it's
not either one of those. Yeah, I think that I hate the button
because I know she specifically has Bobo, But I think numerically speaking, statistically

(32:50):
speaking, it's most likely something thatis not in the fossil set, the
fossil data at this point. Yeah, ninety five chance, we don't know
what it is yet. Well,what are your thoughts on any of that?
But what you want to expand onthat a bit? Well, just
I mean we're going out such littledata in the first place, you know,
like with Gigano and Paranthepus. Butwell they found a bunch of more

(33:12):
stuff on Paranmppus in the last tenyears, right, Clive. Well,
yeah, there's a lot of paranthropistsstuff. I mean, not a lot.
I mean there's not a lot ofhuman ancestor fossils anyway, but there's
a lot more now than certainly therewas twenty thirty years ago. I think
we have hands, I think wehave some feet, but it's still just
a couple of shoe box shoe boxesfull, right, that's about it.
Yeah, yeah, I mean,well more than Gigano. I mean Gigano,

(33:35):
may I'm not I don't think Giganowould have more fossils because they've had
a few hundred teeth, because imaginewe have at least a few hundred teeth
of paranthropists as well. But Idon't know, I don't know. I
know we have a handful of skulls, we don't have any of those for
Gigano. And we have a lotof post cranial stuff for paranthropists as well,
and nothing for Gigano. But Idon't know. Yeah, I'm not

(33:59):
sure extent of what we have atthis point. And there's also the problem
of things being found that haven't beenpublished yet. But I know that in
my professional library, I have atleast one or two books on nothing but
paranthropists and the fossils and all thatsort of jazz and papers that have been
written on this one species or thisone genus in itself, and whether that's

(34:21):
paranthropists, Robustus or boise I orany of the other ones. So,
but I don't know. I'm guessing. I'm guessing there's probably some sort of
a you know, larger species ofparanthropists that hasn't been discovered yet, or
maybe something that boisee or a robustistor something evolved into, and that's probably
is a brand new species as itwent north. If I'm right, and
I certainly don't know I'm right,I'm guessing I'm right, and I only

(34:43):
go with the paranthropists thing instead ofgiganto based on the proteonics study and also
this idea that you know, paranthropistsparanthropians were basically bigfoots already just smaller.
And I get that. You lookat the photos I've ever seen, like
another first line that up was like, oh, case closed. You know.
Then you go back to the Giganoargument and it's like, well,

(35:07):
is up in the are familiar?I don't know, I don't think it's
probably not either one, and peoplesmarter me I'll figure it out hopefully.
Well, I'm still thank goodness fora people smarter than us. Man.
You know, I don't think anyof us are making the claim that Sasquatch
is paranthropists or is gigantopithecus, andthe claim that I try to put forth
or at least The proposition I tryto put forth in the book is that

(35:30):
if you're positing the existence of sasquatchin modern times as something that's contemporaneous with
us, it's best to at leasthave an analog in the fossil record to
show that not only is the existenceof such a thing possible, but that
it did occur, and it didco occur with our ancestors or early Homo
sapiens. And so pointing at thoselineages shows that you know, apes fitting

(35:53):
this description did exist, and inthe case of Gigantipithecus and ape that's close
in proximity, in the right place, in the right time, and is
also the right size is a goodancestral candidate in terms of either the clade
that produced that genus or the genusitself. And so I really try hard
to not say, or to makeit clear that I'm not saying that Giganopithecus

(36:15):
Blackie is sasquatch. It could besome other species within that genus, it
could be a related genus that wehaven't discovered yet, etc. But I
think people very often want to simplifythat and say that, oh, Cliff
thinks Paranthropus is sasquatch or that prueit thinks that Gigantopithecus is sasquatch, and
it's just a case that, well, no, we'd have to find something
in the fossil record that's an approximation, because it's not a very strong argument

(36:37):
to say, well, we wouldn'texpect anything to be in the fossil record
like this, because then you're makingthe argument for existence out of a void
or a vacuum, and that's justnot a good starting point. But I
do think the point that it's probablysomething that's not represented in the fossil record
statistically speaking, is the most likelycandidate. Yeah, there's got to be

(36:58):
some intermediary steps between what we havein the fossil record and the sasquatches,
no matter what lineage they come from. Yeah, because I don't think anybody
would argue that sasquatches are Paranthropus boisei. For example, they're clearly not Parantherus
boise but they might be descendants ofthat with some changes in size and whatever
else too. So I don't know, there's I don't know what we really

(37:21):
need is what we need. AGiganos skull is what we need, you
know. That would be change,that would change the board completely and a
sasquatch skull. Oh yeah, thatwould be helpful. There's a really interesting
project that's going on right now witha number of researchers who've been looking for
post cranial remains for Gigantopithecus, andthere were some recent cave fines where mini
bones were preserved needing extraction needed tobe excavated. And one of these repositories

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is basically in an area that wasgoing to be turned into a highway and
they were able to put forth sortof an injunction to delay the road building.
This is in China. The researchteam was able to put forth a
proposal to lay the detonation of thisstructure in order to build a road so
that they could excavate it, hopefullyas quickly as possible. And they feel
that this cave probably represents the bestchance of finding Gigantipithecus bones post crani will

(38:13):
remain, so hopefully that'll be productive. That'd be great. Yeah. Now
I'd like to see the how theif we had a skull, you know,
as we have paranthropist skulls. I'dlike to see how that lines up
with the PG film, you know, because that that that that frame from
doctor Meldrum's presentations where he lines upthe brow ridge, the eyes, the
nose, the mouth, the chin, you name it, of Patty as

(38:37):
she turns her head from that wonderfulmosaic photograph that is available on Bill Munn's
website. With the paranthropin like skull, It's just it's just astounding, really
astounding, the congruency. And now, is that just because sasquatches have huge
chewing structures and that's what a thecranium of an animal who has that behavior

(38:58):
that you know that that dietary nicheis that what there's all skulls would look
like that It's entirely possible. It'dbe interesting to see how that lines up
with the mountain grill as skulls actuallytoo. I could do that for something
in the future. Maybe maybe I'llget busy on that. It's just an
astonishing congruency between paranthropists parenthropist skull andthe sasquatch face. It's definitely worth knowing.

(39:21):
And I did illustrate this in thebook, and there's multiple peer reviewed
papers to this effect that the closestanalog in the fossil record to Gigantopithecus mandibles
and teeth is paranthropists, so muchso that it was argued for a long
time that Gigantipithecus was basically genetically relatedto paranthropists or somehow the descendant of that,
or related in some way that therewas phylogenetic continuity, and then later

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it was confirmed that no, actuallythey're both the results of convergent evolution essentially
for durophagi, and so they're sovery similar again that they were thought to
be related. The first taxon thatwas pitched was gigant anthropists or giant man.
I think it's entirely reasonable to positthat the remainder of the skull of
Giganopithecus would have been very morphologically similarto paranthropists, and that might also apply

(40:09):
to other parts of their structure,their locomotion, et cetera. And so
they're very similar from what little wehave to compare. That's why I think,
well, whatever whatever someone might likeabout paranthropists, as far as we
know, could equally apply to Giganopithecusuntil or unless we find something that's markedly
different. Because there is always thismisrepresentation of the media of gigantipithesenes as just

(40:32):
big orangutans, and the proteomic studyshowed that they diverged from a common ancestor
from orangutans ten to twelve million yearsago. That's a long time of divergence,
so they would have been markedly differentanimals. I thought they were in
a line between Sheevopithecus and rings.No, they are contemporaneous with the rings.
Oh, they lived at the sametime, in the same place as

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the genus Pongo, and so thereare fossil sites where Gianopithecus fossils and fossil
rangue co occur, and so theywere related species, but they're not between
the two their contemporaries. Oh mymistake. You know, we diverged from
a common ancestor with chimps six toseven million years ago, and we're markedly
different animals, and so you canimagine the sort of differences that would occur

(41:16):
between ten and twelve million years ofdivergence from that common ancestor. And so
I still think that's the strongest proposition, although Paranthropis is fascinating, and if
there's any strength to that argument,it's like, well, just ask Gareth
Patterson you know what I mean,Like that that really opened my eyes to

(41:36):
a lot of things of like ohwow, you know. And so listeners
go back and listen to the interviewwith Gareth Patterson and the discussion about his
book Beyond the Secret Elephants. Yeah, I know, maybe put that in
that link in the show notes foreverybody there. All right, and thank
you Bobo for that comment. Theguy putting you back up on top of
my harshest critics. I'd like toI am number two, someone who's harsher

(42:07):
on me than I am. Staytuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff
and Bobo will be right back afterthese messages. And in keeping with the
theme of Bobo oriented questions, here'sthe first written submission. They're Bobo curious.

(42:29):
I'll go ahead and read this oneBobo, and you can just listen
and answer it as you see fit. This one comes from Jeffrey Graham and
the question is I am enjoying thepodcast, love the show, and the
new T shirt makes me look slimmer. I told you guys, I'm not
saying Bobo isn't a fox, butwhat's the story between behind the Bobo cross
dressing episode? Y'all are wild?What's the story? Bobes? Obviously they're

(42:53):
less threatened by women because I mean, if you look at who shoots at
Bigfoot, ninety nine plus percent aremen. There are no no approach women
that observe women more, especially womenwith children. So I was impersonating a
pregnant woman, showing that I wasfertile and good MANI mature on because they
wanted to kidnap me, and wedid, and we did, we did.

(43:14):
We got those craziest sounds that Imean, it was top five for
me. Were craziest sounds I've everheard. And it was the craziest sounds
flipp you ever heard. So itworked. It was the craziest thing I've
ever seen. I did look prettygood. No one can question your commitment
to novel research techniques. That dresswas expensive too. I was trying to

(43:36):
find a dress that I couldn't findone to fit me that looked kind of
sexy. So I found out thatone you should write a proposal to Wally
Research grant. Yeah, what's yourdress budget going to be? You need
a blouse benefactor? Oh man,what's this charge here? Braziers? That

(44:00):
was great. That was great,it was a fun episode. You know
what. A lot of people,I'm a slightly more serious answer thing.
A lot of people say, whyare you guys doing this nonsense and like
this ridiculous stuff for bigfoot stuff,and you should get up there and camo
and sit in a tree stand forfour hours and that's how you get up
No one would watch that, Imean at the end of the day.
Yeah, we're doing bigfoot stuff forreal, but it's also a TV show

(44:22):
and we need to make sure thatpeople are entertained and having fun and enjoying
the stuff. That's the stuff thatwe're doing. That's why we did these
outlandish, ridiculous things for search techniqueslike throwing a rave in the woods or
playing bass in the woods. They'reall legitimate, though. They're all legitimate
because they draw attention. There's somethingthat the Sasquatches have never seen, never

(44:44):
will see again probably, and maybeit'll draw them in and take a look.
And it worked better than fifty percentof the time in my opinion.
Yeah, and really that's sign Yeah, maybe it is better to go sit
in the tree stand for six hours, but no one's going to watch that.
That's boring. Even hunters fall asleepin tree stands. We don't want
our audience falling asleep watching a TVshow that's fun and with weirdos like us

(45:07):
going out and doing real bigfoot stuffand you know what, it's just damn
good TV. At the end ofthe day, it's really good TV and
it's fun. And that's the pointof television. You know, don't look
at television, even our show.Then you know it's completely real. But
like even our show, don't lookat our shows like the end All be
All Bigfoot research. It's entertainment.That's why we were there. We were

(45:30):
doing the best job we could withwhat we had. And it's all legit
stuff. Man, Like I said, maybe we're wrong, but we're not
lying. But at the end ofthe day, it's entertainment and a lot
of fun. Just like, yeah, bigfooting should be fun. If you're
not having fun bigfooting, what areyou doing. I'm not have told this
story already when we did the recapof the Georgia episode, but that's been

(45:51):
I think a couple of years agonow. But if you remember, Tom
Slickson owned a restaurant in my hometownof Helen and they had this eating challenge,
and Bobo used to have legendary epiceating abilities, and so we thought,
oh, wouldn't it be funny todo have Bobo enter this eating challenge
and then that would be the entranceto sort of meet Tom Slickson and talk

(46:13):
about that research. And Bobo,you had said you got so mad at
me for even suggesting it. Youwere like, ain't doing that? I
hate your clown. And then Isaw the episode of you in the dress,
and I thought, oh, howthe tables are turning? That was
really the season we weren't Jumping sharkshitseason one for well. Tom Slickson ended
up backing out anyway, said hedidn't want to be on camera, so

(46:35):
but hey, you would have gottenlike a free HOGI out of it all
right, Jeffery, thank you verymuch for that question. It gave us
some good stuff to talk about andBobo next question is up, take it
all right? This question comes fromHunter Casper message rewatching the show, I
noticed, no matter what season orepisode I watched, it's always filmed during
the winter. Maybe these are thereare a few summer ones, but most
seemed to be in the winter.Is there a reason watch film during the

(46:57):
winter? Months thank you. Peoplewould call them the shots were dummies.
They hate us. Actually that's nottrue at all. They loved us.
I don't know if there's a reasonfor it. I think that maybe maybe
the perception is a bit skewed becausein mountainous areas where we often were,

(47:19):
it's cold from you know, SeptemberOctober to like June, so most of
the year, you know, likehere in Oregon, for example, like
a lot of my big foot spotsup you know, by Timothy Lake or
something, I can't get to untilJuly, June, July at the earliest
oftentimes. Maybe that has something todo with it, just that the way
that the calendar year is in thesehigher elevation mountainous areas, it's just colder

(47:40):
and it appears to be winter more. But I know that we also during
the winter time. They very oftenscheduled us to go to the south,
right, but they tried to putus well, the I'll never forget.
I've got a big fight with them. They want us to go to Wisconsin
in late January early February, andthe week that they proposed I'll never forget.

(48:00):
I sent Keith and them guys andthe ping pong guys. Screenshot of
the weather that week, and itwas like negative with the windshill. The
day we were supposed to land wasnegative sixty one. Well, you know,
sixty one blow zero. You know. Another thing to keep in mind
is just the legendary bad luck thatgoes with bigfooting, you know, like

(48:21):
like the Blue Mountain episode, weshouldn't have gone that time of year.
We shouldn't have gone. I couldhave told him that, but they didn't
consolet us and I remember these likea lot of the producers are like in
LA. Like there are these kidsin LA And when I say kids,
I mean like twenty three year olds, twenty five, twenty six year olds.
And they got this title of youknow this and that producer because everybody
who works on TV show can becalled a producer. And you know,

(48:42):
when you're trying to make your wayup in the TV game, you really
grab onto that title and you throwit around and you fla on it and
stuff. Right, So these thesevery young people with very limited experience outside
of Los Angeles, a lot oftimes they don't realize that, like there's
different parts of the country that don'tfollow this same weather patterns. As Los
Angeles. Well, the network likethis. The network like to see us

(49:04):
struggle and be challenged and being Theyloved it when we were uncomfortable because it
brought out more story. And I'mlike, the story is trying to it
big for evidence, so we're gonnaget the best evidence, not in freaking
five feet of snow and below zero. Yeah. They do like the drama
side of it, and they're makingTV at the end of the day,
they don't. Yeah. Yeah,So maybe maybe that has something to do
with it. Just the weather inthe higher elevations is nast year for longer,

(49:28):
for larger percentage of the year.We were in Florida. We shot
with Stacey and them guys down there. It was we went, we all
packed for we were going to likeuh, Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida.
And when you looked it up andsaid Florida was gonna be in the
in the mid seventies with lows inthe low sixties, and like Missouri or

(49:49):
Mississippi, Southern Mississippi and southern Alabamawas going to be the for that time.
You know, the general forecast,like the normal forecast would be expect
low's in the was the low fiftiesand highs in the high sixties. And
we got there and it was snowingout us in Florida. Remember it was
like record second coldest day ever inhistory. Well I remember the snowfall in

(50:10):
Louisiana. Yeah, ice storm thatwas like the second one in all history.
Yeah. Some of us just likebad big footing luck, because that's
that's what luck is. When you'rebig footing, it's generally bad. Yeah.
So I don't know, Hunter,I mean, that's a good question,
like why did they It sucks.It sucked to be there. And
summers and summers traditionally the time offfor TV, when TV takes break,
TV production breaks, and later partof the summer almost always Yeah, yeah,

(50:36):
Hollywood shuts down in general in December. No one works in December until
like the beginning of or mid maybemid part of January. So things start
getting planned in January, and thenof course they want to get people in
the field as fast as possible,and so they usually get us out there
in like late winter, early spring, and we filmed for this how long
or whatever. Then we maybe dosomething at the end of summer into fall.

(50:59):
So maybe that's just it, youknow, it's just like the changing
of the seasons and Hollywood sort ofschedule that we had to keep. So
I don't know. I mean,and I know a little bit about the
whole you know, industry now,but not very much or so many ins
and outs and weird things and stuff. I don't know. I'm kind of
glad I'm not on the TV thinganymore. Well, this is the last

(51:22):
question at least of our regular episode. After this, we'll go to our
members and take their question for ourmembers, and if you want to be
a member, you can just goto Bigfoot and Beyond podcast dot com and
click the membership button. They'll tellyou everything you need to know. It's
five bucks a month. It's aPatreon thing, and we really really appreciate
all of our supporters. But thisis the last question, and it comes
from Kevin W. Dudes, ifyou had a time machine and knowing what

(51:46):
you know now, which historical encounterwould you like to place yourself into the
PG film Ape Canyon Miners a NativeAmerican experience and what would you do in
that case? Thanks? Love thepodcast. Well, I mean, I
probably have to be the PG filmjust because if you had a time machine,
you'd have to know where and winto go. At least we have

(52:07):
that Ape Canyon sounds a little scaryto me. And plus I've been to
the Ape Canyon, Kevin. It'ssketchy. It's scary now, you know,
let alone with you know, giantapes throwing crap at him. Yeah,
they have to be the PG filmjust and what would I do?
I would probably sit up on thehill and watch it unfold. But I
would also probably cast the footprints beforeBob tid miscout there. I'd be riding
right behind boggling with my arms wrappedaround him, just holding on. You

(52:29):
would do that anyway, whether they'regoing to film a big foot or not.
Yeah, excuse right, right,Yeah, well there you go PG
film. And I'd probably have tobe that. If it wasn't that,
then what's your what's your number two? Bobo? Maybe? Uh? For
famous ones, I guess it'd haveto be like Ruby Creek, Baby,

(52:50):
Ruby Creek. I would want tosee Jerry Crew in those footprints. That'd
be cool. I got historical ones, well, I mean obviously one was
the longest close this extended view.Maybe Glenn Thomas. I would opt for
any of the stories that have anylikelihood of being true about people shooting and
killing one, because pragmatically speaking,you could either bring it back to the

(53:13):
present with you, or you couldgo to the site, you know,
once the human is left, andbury the thing in such a way that
you could return to it in presentday, unearth it, and you'd have
your type specimen. You know.That brings up something. Somebody came in
the shop last week who said thatsome old dude that he knows ran across
a naturally dead one just a fewyears ago, but he doesn't want to

(53:35):
tell anybody where it is. Probablyfull of crap. Yeah, he's probably
lying, because why would you hidethat from anybody. It's the most it's
perfect. You don't have to killone, you're sparing all the other ones.
And yeah, it's probably just nonsense, some liar out there. But
this guy did come in and said, yeah, well, so I just
really hammered that guy, and Isaid, well, if that guy cares

(53:58):
it all about the species, orif you care at all about the species,
then you're going to find out wherethat is, and then you're going
to call me or call somebody,go down and get a piece of it.
If it's still there at all,which it probably wouldn't be. It'spent
I think he said this is aboutthree or five years ago, so there's
a chance something maybe around. ButI mean, at this point, be
hard to say you're just taking thoseguys' attention, because I've done that.

(54:20):
I've gone on some of those goosechases, and it's like you're just feeding
into them, and you know,they're just saying, like, oh,
you're in it. I think you'rean idiot for looking into it because it's
obviously a lie. But you knowthey want to play long as long as
they can. Yeah, I know, but like every lead like that should
be followed until you figure out what'sgoing on. I still go, look,
you have to, you have to. And you know that's another thing

(54:42):
too, and this applies to somethinglike this, or liars in any situation
in Bigfoot or hoaxers or whatever,or being fooled by people, you know,
because there's a small number of peopleout there that only hoax things in
order to show that people are fallible. And I've always thought that like those
are weird, weird people. Tome, I don't understand that at all.

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But because of course everybody's fallible,you know. I mean, you
can fool me, You can probablyfool doctor Meldrum in some rare circumstances,
and you can fool people. Butthat doesn't say very much about me or
you, or doctor Meldrum or theresearcher. It really says more about the
people trying to lie convincingly like that. It says loads about them and very

(55:25):
little about me. That I believedsomebody when they were lying to me,
right, yeah, to me,I don't know. They have it all
backwards, see, I told you, well, you told me a lot
of things, mostly about yourself.Yeah. So yeah, this dead thing
in southern Oregon somewhere, if Ifind out about it, I'll go me.

(55:45):
I'm not Oh yeah, it'd begreat. I'm not expecting to because
I think the guy's probably lying.Because if somebody had something like that,
they must see. I mean thatthis is not my driving force, but
for a lot of people, youknow, like money is a big thing,
they must see that a dead sasquatchis at door to being pretty wealthy
for at least for a little while. And if you found a naturally dead
one, you would be a hero. If you shot one, you would

(56:07):
be a villain. The rest ofyour life. But if you found a
naturally dead one, you would bea hero, and you'd have a book
deal and you can get gigs andwhatever. I don't know. I haven't
thought through the monetary side of allthat, because it's not really I don't
I don't want that. I don'twant fame for that reason. I don't
want fame for any reason. ButI don't want that level of attention on
me. I'm happy going out thereand casting a footprint every once a day

(56:29):
you get the hottest chicken the oldfolks on. That's true. That's true.
Probably look a lot like you dressedup as a chick. I don't
want to get my personal life andpreferences involved in this. But that's just
one benefit form, possibly one ofthe good things about getting old. I
suppose. All right, well thatwas the last question. That was the
last question, and we still havea member's thing to record. Why don't

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we go off and do that?And again, if you want to become
a member, there's lots of benefits. You get an extra hour or something
like that, a week of Boboand Cliff in case you haven't in case
you haven't got enough of us sofar. Go to the show notes click
that link that matprou Will put downthere, or you can go to big
Fin to be on podcast dot comand hit the members link. I'm gonna
be next week, I guess nextweek, I'm gonna be in Eastern Tennessee

(57:14):
at the Upper Cumberland Bigfoot Festival.Lucky. Yeah, Well, you know
why I'm lucky is because the otherthree bigfoot folks quote unquote celebrities, although
I don't like that word. Thecelebrities that are gonna be there, Huckleberry
Buck and wild Bill from Monsters Awesome. Yeah there, show's ridiculous, but

(57:34):
god, I love these dudes.Man. They are just the nicest people
in the world. And of courseit goes back to that thing I said
earlier. TV is entertainment. Takeit as such. Huckleberry Buck and wild
Bill are some of the nicest people. All those guys, actually, Willie
and Jeff, all those guys aresome of the nicest people you can meet.
They spend time with every single personthat goes to the table, and

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you know, and hanging out withthem after the show and stuff is a
treasure, a treasure. I lovethese people. So anyway, if you
want to go check that out.It's you see Bigfoot dot com. I
think you see stands for Upper Cumberland, so you see Bigfoot dot com.
And then I'll tell you everything youneed to know. So I'm going to
be there next weekend. Maybe comeout and say hi. Tell me if

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you're a listening to the podcast,I really do appreciate it. Bobo,
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