Ep. 229 - Q&A - September, 2023

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James Bobo Fay. Hello Cliff,Hello Bobo. How are you doing today?
Good? He just got back intown. Huh Yeah, I was
in Mexico for a week fishing.Man. It was awesome. It was
a much needed and deserved rest,in my opinion. You're coon in the
Toronto's Yeah, yeah, totally,totally. We went to my neighbor Gary,

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who I've spoken about before in thepodcast. Actually one of his friends
listens to the podcast and brought itup to Gary that day. Hey,
I've heard about I heard you're doingthis, Angreys. What are you talking
about? Yeah, because Gary's aprivate guy or whatever. So yeah,
but like some of his friends,I've actually listened to the podcast and brought
it up to him. He's kindof surprised at that, say, hey,
man, you're famous. He liveddown the road for me. That

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who he had asking this is Saul. Oh he really does. Gary's much
more of a man than any anyonethat has a past. Yeah, absolutely,
especially anybody with the podcast. We'rea soft folk. But anyway,
I'm sure Joe Rogan would want tokick my ass over that. Nonetheless,
nonetheless, hopefully I'm sure he doesn'tlisten. So yeah, I went down
to Mexico for a week because youknow, you know, you've known me

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for a long time. Boo,Like a lot maybe a lot of people
don't realize. I used to workin fishing tackle stores and Long Beach,
California and Seal Beach. My firstjob was Anglers tackle Box and Seal Beach
on corner Marina Drive and PCCh downthere, and then I've moved from there
over to the Fisherman's Hardware in LongBeach down in Temple and Anaheim. That's
actually where I my my my enjoymentof beer was born because we were right

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next to the legendary bar Joe Jostin Long Each, California, which is
an awesome bar. It's still there. Then when we used to have to
work late, you know, weworked real late during the summer, like
you know, till eight o'clock atnight or something. We usually close at
six, but between six and eight, you know it's pretty busy, but
later on in the season, Noyou don't, that's staying in. Sorry,

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No, I appreciate you for whoyou are. Bobs. Yeah,
So during that time of year whenI got a little slow, but we
still had to work late because Ihadn't change of winter schedule yet, we'd
do two minute schooner breaks where we'dyou'd have to leave the store, go
next store. We leave Fisherman's Hardware, go to Joe Jos, sit at
the bar, order a schooner ofbeer, drink it, and be back
within two minutes or you had tobuy the next round. Oh. Needless

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to say, we didn't get alot of stuff done during those last hours
or two, you know, butthere was a great time. That's why
I like beer in general. Butanyway, Yeah, I went down to
lave Antana, lave Antana, whichis about forty five minutes south of La
Pause on the inside of the BajaCalifornia California dates or sour like southern state
of Baja California, and fish withthis awesome fishing guy named Kamalleon, which

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means chameleon in English. So yeah, I went down there and we limited
out on dorato every single day,usually by eight or nine in the morning,
and they're pretty big fish or likemaybe twenty five or thirty pounds,
like the bigger ones. Most ofthe ones we uh most of the ones
we caught were twelve to fifteen orsomething like that. But you know,
drato are real thin, skinny fish, so they look a lot bigger than

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they actually weigh. I think probablythe biggest fish that we boarded was about
twenty twenty five, but we hookedup a couple of bigger ones and dumped
them. But nonetheless, it wasa great trip. Caught some pargo like
yellow snappers and pargos and rooster fishand jack cravelle and yeah, I got
the brush off my Spanish chops andlay it down for a week. Then
it was awesome. I love speakingSpanish. It's it's it's a lot of

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fun. I'm not very good atit. Uh so fluente no si fluente,
but oh I can change my Ican change the words around to say
what I need to say. Bythe end of the week, I was
understanding Spanish a lot better. Itwas it was a blast man ninety five
degrees or oh you know what wascool about it two bobs. You've been
to Baja before, but you know, it's a pretty It's completely desert,

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right, But that hurricane came througha couple of weeks ago, and then
the week after that there was ahuge trenchill downpour in the area with flooding
and whatnot, which is and ofcourse good. But what it did do
is make the entire peninsula green.It was super, super green, and
their flowers were blooming, and youcould see the smell of flowers in the
air and the desert and their animals. It was fantastic. Man. So

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got the fish for about four daysand came back Sunday night around eleven o'clock.
And now I'm working every single dayfor the next week. So I've
been done there for a long time. I loved it. I'd like to
go down again, maybe a differenttime of year, you know, I'd
like to catch a wider variety offish. I understand spring is particularly good
in the area. So we'll seewhat happens, man, We'll see what

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happen. I've spent about over twoyears of my life in Mexico mostly bought
well in mainland and Baha mostly.Did you ever go down that far where
you're up north further. Drove downthere a couple times. Nice little slice
of paradise, man, super good, super good. Loved it. Yeah,
I went snorkeling and caught little babyfish from the shore and little cabrillas
and stuff like that from the shore. It was great, man, it

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was great. But back to work, back to Bigfoot. I get a
ton of reports coming in from asusual, you know, September October,
just pouring in photos, track finds, lots of vocalizations, people are hearing
sightings. Just it just always allover North America. It's just primetime.

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Everyone just picks up right now.Yeah, it seems fall is always a
really good time. And I don'tknow if that's because people are out in
the woods enjoying the last gasp ofsummer, or if the animals are more
mobile or something this timing year,or deer and elk hunting is a big
part of it has to be,has to be, But I mean,
I don't know is it is itdeer or elks and right now it must
be it's fall, But I don'tknow any of that starts or whatever.

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Yeah, I'll see you a littlebit later, but I'm sure it's hoping
somewhere, but yeah, it's dearright now. For a lot of places,
like where do they have like youknow, just a place of our
tree until like end of August orwhatever you like. Just depends where you
are in the country, part ofwhat state you're in, like what part
of that state. It varies,but that's generally how it goes. Yeah,
I love you said that it's Elkseason somewhere. I mean it's like

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saying, yeah, it's five o'clocksomewhere. Yeah, looking for an excuse.
Nice. Yeah, Well, we'reback on it right now. I'm
back from vacation. We've got somegreat episodes coming up in the next couple
of weeks. But this one righthere is going to be our Q and
A for August. Of course,we're going to start with the questions that
our audience has given us, andthen we'll sign off in about an hour.

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I think it's September, Cliff,is it? Oh gosh, darn
it, it is September. You'reright, Bobs. Where does the time
go? But yeah, September,So September Q and A. Oh screw
up, man, Let's do theAugust Q and A again. This show
is just going to be a repeatof last month. That was a popular
one. It was a really goodone actually, But now what we'll do
a new one just for our listeners. Yeah, for no one else but
anybody who listens. So yeah,we're gonna take questions from our our audience,

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and then about an hour or sowe're going to sign off and then
just take our questions from our members. If you want to be a member
of Bigfoot and Beyond, what youget is basically an extra of forty five
minutes or an hour of Bobo andI yapping at each other every single week.
We're a little looser, I meanwe're looser now on this podcast,
and we ever were on Finding Bigfoot, as you know if you've been listening.
But on the members we get evena little loosier, loocier, yeah,

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lucier, a little bit more likeLucy, and we say all sorts
of things and whatever else. Butanyway, if you want to do that,
you can go to Bigfoot and Beyondpodcast dot com and hit the membership
button, or the lovely and talentedMatt Pruitt will certainly put that link in
the show notes below. But here'sa question here, actually here's the deal
before we even answer you a question. If you want to ask us a

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question, it could be about anythingat all big Foot related, personal life,
imaginations, fears, goals, etcetera. Anything at all you like.
You can do that. You caneither write us add a big Foot
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to big Foot Beyond podcast dot comand hit contacts. There is a special
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your voice on the air asking usa question. So I would recommend you
do that because it's fun. That'show I get my questions in exactly exactly.
So yeah, let's jump into thequestions, Bobs. Shall we hit

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it up for Maestro? Hit itMaestro? Hey, Cliff, Hey,
Bobo. My name is Matt andI live in Arcade, to California in
Humble County. I had a friendin the early two thousands who was living
up in Orleans, California. Hewas telling me a story about two Sasquatches
that were wrestling and they knocked theshed off the foundation. All have said

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that Bobo spent some time up theretoo. I'm just confirming this story and
seeing if it's true or Bobo,if you remember anything about that situation.
Anyway, I love the podcast.I love you guys. Keep on doing
what you're doing and keep it Quietchythat's on you. Bob's yeah, I
remember. I know what he's talkingabout it. I know. I'm pretty
sure I know which guy he's talkingabout, too, a buddy of ours.

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I wasn't. I didn't see theshed and all that stuff, but
I remember him coming down one daybecause you know, it was obviously like
a weed farm out there. Andthis is back when you still guys aren't
really just growing in their yards,like they were still hiking out and going
on four service land or timber companyland, and you know, of their
own properties, so they didn't tryingto get it seized or anything like that.
They'd go out there and he's comingback one time, at like dusk,

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it was just getting dusk. Hehad a real scary encounter and then
he started noticing that to that point, he's like, dude, you're right
there here. If that's the sameguy he's talking I think it's the same.
It is the same. Actually no, I honestly I thought it was
a red cap. But oh,okay, wait if he saw about the
Oh he's talking about a whole differentthing. I was thinking on the other
side of the river. Yeah,exactly what he's talking about. I mean,

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I'm right, I have such abad memory. I'm correcting Bobo's memory
now. Yeah, you know whatthey said, trailer. It wasn't a
I thought he said, shid,it wasn't a shed due it was a
freaking single wide mobile home on thefoundation. It was on a perimeter foundation.
It sound like a bowlder rolling downthe hill and it slammed into the
side of the trailer and it's sohard, and the whole thing got shifted

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over about probably about three quarters ofan inch inch on the on the whole,
that whole half of the trailer gotshoved over like a good almost an
inch on the foundation. Not bad. Yeah. That's also the place where
the four three sets eyes with oneset poking up behind the smaller eyes the
second small There was three sets eyeslike when was about eight eight and a

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half but up the room was probablyclose to seven somewhere around there six and
a half seven. Their sids wasin between probably seven and a half or
something, but so there was threesizes. But then the second smallest eyes
he saw a really smaller I wassmall in the restaurant down like below five
feet would poke out from behind itlike it was poking up behind the mom

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or whatever older sibling or whatever itwas, and the guy just goes.
He charged, He charged him,and he had the spot in his hand,
and the spotlight went up and downlike as he started to run.
They jumped, you could. Youjust saw like they were black. That's
all you could tell. As therewas black further and they jumped. They
just jumped back in the dark.And then the so fast they were going

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up the hill so quick beause itwas unbelievable how fast they were. You
couldn't see the thing besides their eyesshow. That's how something. I couldn't
tell they were glowing or not.But there was a like a sixty watt
bulb on like I don't know,probably one hundred and twenty feet away or
something like that, one hundred andthirty feet away. So I guess that
because there's a light miss in theair and their eyes and that was the

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only thing that the dude was colorblind. He was he saw like what he
interpreted the color was was different.Like what I saw was a yellowy orange.
There's some green tints in it sometimes, and the girls saw green yellow.
We all saw a different color orwe interpreted a different color. Well,
to be fair, yellow green andgreen yellow are pretty close to the

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same thing, right, Yeah,but there was there was like it was
like orangey, like a fiery orangeyred. Some of it like it just
funded like when they moved their headaround a little bit, but there was
a slight mist and it looked likethere was like a little bit of like
you could actually see like like youknow, in your head lighter in the
fog, you can see like theyou can see the miss lighting up.
It was doing that a little bit, like a faintly, faintly, faintly

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just ever so suddenly off their eyes, like the reflection or whatever was because
I don't yeah, I think ifthere were glowing people said they're dark deep
red when they grow. They weren'tdoing that they're so it must have been
reflection. But yeah, it wasa crazy man that it saw like a
boulder rolled down the hill and slammedinto the trailer. This guy he wasn't
doing a big weed. This guywas a car builder. I was going,

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I was going into the business withhim, dude doing etsuls and oh
god, what's the other one?I can't think there's a car cover there
was in the fifties went out thebusiness like late fifties, really sixties.
But they had a bunch of killerConstant packards and he was he was working
doing custom building, custom package likejay Leno, people like that. So
I took some money and invested themto buy some frames and get all the

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equipment up there. Then they startedtelling me about this, like they were
living up there, him and hisgirlfriend there. They weren't like outdoors people.
Really, they weren't it all therefrom the city. They can't tell
me all these crazy sounds they're here. And I'm going, like, they're
hearing mountain lions, you're hearing bobcats, you're hearing foxes, you're hearing owls,
you're hearing that. His girlfriend wastelling me one day, she goes,

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yeah, the Indians up here areweird. It's right outside of Orleans.
She goes, yeah, the Indiansare weird. They're throwing their like
talking gibberish and like throwing sticks atme in the daily and like little pebbles
that when I'm cleaning the garden area. And then she said, she goes,
oh, she goes, You're right, it wasn't. It wasn't Indian
source stuff. I mean, shegoes, it was. I saw it
was a bear. It was abear. That was was black bear.

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It stands up and throws it underhand, Like how's it though? When she's
she's like a softball picture you likeunderhand she had just sow. Doesn't try
to hit me, just throw themaround me. So anyways, they kept
to me all this stuff was goingon. I kept saying, like,
you guys are tripping, because Iwas there when bartowl was kicked off one
evening and they both shot up likeeyes big. I'm like, you're hearing
they go, we hear that sometimeslike lots of how that's for sure.

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And now then they also didn't knowwhat a fox sounded like, so I
was like that. I was like, that's a fox. So anyways,
but then they were talking about thesescreams and howls at night that were different.
I thought, you guys, becauseI did hear a cougar up there
one time when they weren't there.I was just coming back from I was
I stopped by the you know,see if they were around when I come
back down from bluff. Yeah,So that that was like that was the

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most active place I was ever approachedme around like they were coming around a
lot for a while. Stay tunedfor more big Foot and Beyond with Cliff
and Bobo. Will be right backafter these messages, that's right. I
also or Malagi. I had therecording then all that's when my house got

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program joll. My recordings got stormbut I had just audio only, but
I played it from Belgium. Youcould hear the double slap feet like the
hinge foot like here s a slapsa slap when they ran, you could
hear a double slap. And theywere so fast. One thing I took
away from it there was how fast, like just insanely fasting? Were than
also that they want to talk about, So that seemed paranormal. Maybe was

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listen to this one my buddy neversay I I well, okay, the
backtrack. When I first heard outthere there was big Foot's up there.
He shoot up at my house atlike seven thirty in the morning going dude,
Dude, I told you there's footprintsup there's footprints up there on what
he's dude, there's big foot trackson the property right now, going through
the firewhere they were burning a butch. H just the places overgrown. It

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been abandoned for eleven years, dude, and the big foots were living on
the property and they were Actually therewas an old I wish I still had
those samples, but there was anold abandoned not abandoned, but there was
an old travel trailer that they turnedinto like you know, full time housing.
And the door was when they boughtthe property of the door was wide
up and the sunglass door was wideup, and it was like could be
an open for a few years.There's these big like betting areas and they're

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like, well the floor was saggedin like looked like bodies we've been laying
down And I was like, no, wait, this is so I went
I went to I went and boughta cam quarter that before I went up
there like that. When I wenthad drive around like four places. I
ended up going to South Arica totry to find I was living in Arcade
at the time. I had togo down to south the Rica to finally
find a place had a a camquarter and I jam up there in the

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batteries weren't charged. We ran inand plugged it in. There's like about
twelve twelve thirty in the afternoon,wins were starting to pick up and in
the in the ashes of the burnpit where these two perfect tracks, perfect
like full like Hereford tracks you knowfrom Washington. Those Hareford tracks look which

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is like those little block You're notquite as long, but pretty close they
are. They're about an inch shorterthan his. And there was one two
across and they went over to wherea rat trap was because they were stealing
the rat traps were getting set offand all the gummy because I gave him
a bunch of I was kind offunding the operation, so I dropped them

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off like rat traps and mouse trapsand with like a gummy drops grammy bears
and Steve and put them on there. Whatever it was was walking around the
stick and sitting off the traps andtaking the gummy bears off all the traps.
Well, when we first I putout when we first did that,
when it first started, that wasthe first time I put out a rat
trap and it looked like the thingit looked like the what we're guessing is

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the rat trap got him on thefinger or something, because it turned around,
straddled the rat trap and took acrap over it, a huge dump
as one does. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, that place was.
That place was wild, man like. That's also the place. Oh yeah,
the back porch. The back porchwas really starty. It was all
two by sixes, it was.It was built ahold of hot tub and

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stuff, and it came up onthe side of it was a sighing glass
door in the single wide and thesingle lady was it was older, but
it was it was decent. Itwas fine. It was you know,
typical older like twenty thirty year oldtrailer, you know. But anyway,
so there was this giant handprint smeareddown the side of the glass the siding
glass door, like a huge one, dude. And the thing it's it

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opened. The door came in thewhole floor to the floor, the floor
and the floorboard, the subfloor.Everything in the trailer was collapsed like something
super like. I mean, Iwas like two fifty two sixty. Then
I'd walk in another like there wasno sign of like a weak floor,
nothing like it was no, nothingout of the ordinary. This whole floor
section was collapsed. Whatever it waswas so long and tall, could reach

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over to the fridgerator, open thefridge. I was putting bait there because
I was putting bait out for itevery night. And it reached over and
was able to pull the bait out, like smoked salmon and stuff like that
out of the fridge and took off, and the girl I was like,
oh my gosh, insane. SoI went I was. I was like,
I gotta get a finger lifting,get a cop or someone to come

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up here, and left this prince. I gotta figure out how to left.
I know you could lift prince.And I was, okay, I
get the prince that I left off. Her parents were coming on the next
day to visit, and she didn'twant to freak them out, so she
she scrubbed off the big hand smeardown the that slid open the side blast
where there was two actually two hampers. One was perfect and you see the

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whole all five fingers. It wasgiant, dude. It was like it
was like thirteen inches from the bottomof the palm to the top of the
middle finger thirteen and a half inchesI think it was fourteen inches. And
then it was each finger was hiswide. It's two of my fingers together.
I mean it was. It wasmassive. It was, it was
massive, and so I was superpissed about that. And then yeah,

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so the people that were living there, Dude, I didn't realize it.
In hindsight, I should have known. But the guy started tweaking and he
got all met out and then therewas no the one the guy was carrying
the note, the guy that soldthe property. It was cheap too.
Back then it was like one hundredand nine grand for thirty or whatever.
It was twenty five acres. Sohe was, he was there, and

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I didn't realize it, but hestarted getting weirder and weirder and weirder.
There was no cats out on theproperty because the guy on the property I
was carrying the note was Audubon Societyguy big. He was a birdwatcher,
actually came out of here for wasbirdwatching, and he put in all this
indigenous I mean not indigenous, well, yeah, like native plants for specifically
for the birds. And the wholething was set up as a bird sanctuary.

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And I put up you know,was like whatever I think the closing
costume at the places, like sixteengrand, and then I bought another fifteen
grand and tools and stuff like that, so so I had some money invested
into it, and I was payingall the monthly the monthly bills while he
was starting to work on the cars. But then they got all freaked out
by the big foot thing, justkind of particular everything off track then.
But they decided she wanted to havea kitten, and they were at the

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store. There's someone had a kittenoutside of the given away caps at the
store, so she took one,knowing that that was immediate end of the
contract with any cats on the property. Then she got another cat, so
she had two kittens out there.The guy and he said he was gonna
come visit us sometime the next month. And he shows up and there's two
cats there and he just well thatwas it. Greeveance over and the guy

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that was on the draw, theguy I was working with, he just
took all the tools, dude splittook everything and stuff out them borrow like
and just split the county like disappiritedsomehe over an Oregon and I got left
holding the bag and just got nothingbecause like there was like the they were
seeing the contract. It was nocats. A lot of you lose your

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the deal's off and there's everything youput into it. I was like,
that's new problem. So we're notgonna have a cat. Sure enough,
she gets a cat up there andyeah. But that was a place where
there was this big, big bush. It was down below and the trash
it kept about, the trash gettingstaken. Well. I went down there,
I tracted it down in there whereI was going, it was this
big and they'd snapped off all itwas this big looking like a giant mushroom.

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I can't remember kind of bush itwas, but that those big foots
had snapped off the inside. Therewas like a huge room inside like about
almost six foot high, like sixand a half foot high, similar spots
like it was. It wasn't semestrical. I mean it was a bush when
it was uneven, but dude,every there was piles and all these empty
trash bags and there not all thoseprobably six or seven of the not full

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sized garvernage bags, but like theI think they're seventeen gallon ones for trash,
like smaller trash cans thirteen gallon whatever. There was a bunch of those.
They were emptied out and you cansee where he's like whatever. They
would sort everything by texture, likethe texture they feel like it was plastic
or fabric, and then color andshape. It was I've seen other people

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something like, yeah, this iswhat this big it's been doing. It's
like it's just weird. It lookslike a really weird person did it.
I'm every sort of going like wow, like look at it. There was
also electronic parts in there, liketelephone chords and like like uh, the
old telephone cords and stereo chords andjust stuff like that, and like plastic.

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It seemed to really like plastic stuff. It had like piles of plastic
and it was just really odd.I was like, wow, this is
amazing. And I was walking me, we were walking out, the guy
were walking down the other one dayin the afternoon, broad daylight, two
in the afternoon, probably late summer, and all of a sudden, we
hear this stomping Like I did alittle couple of whoops, and all of

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a sudden something sort of just camestomping like you could hear it walking up
the hill towards us. We're like, oh my us coming in broad daylight.
It's just us between worked in thislittle clear like small clearing, like
fifteen by ten foot clearing. There'sthis big bush right in front of us,
going downhill and then coming up thehill behind the bush. We never
saw it. It came stomping upand it's so dry up there at the

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time of year. It was justlike tinder box, and there was down
leaves everywhere. There's a lot ofoak trees and stuff, so it was
just real noisy, like you'd hearthat there are a lot of wood rats
there and you'd hear them all alllike hear lizards and stuff. You sally,
so you think there's a bear coming, or you'd turn around it's a
freaking lizards ripping through the leaves.The thing came stomping up and we could
hear it like muttering new itself,like we couldn't make anything out, like

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it was just real low, grumblymumbly. And then I turned on my
camera. It was real low muttery. It didn't it didn't record, it
didn't pick up on an audio.So we each had a camcorder at this
point like dude, on three,we're both going to run around. You
go not tithing on this side,and the thing was dead quiet. I
go one two like I was doingit like a bout in the words like
not beings on one two three,and I gave the ghost sign and he

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pulled jumped around the bush like ina second and a half two seconds.
We were filming their side. Nothingthat time. Yeah, one time we
heard it and we went to gojump around the bush. And before I
couldn't even jump around the bush,he took off running. And that's when
I was recording. I had therecorder going and you could hear the footfalls.
It didn't vocalize, but you justheard slap stop so stop so shop

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like double ball. And I calledBelgium like right then and there. I
called him and played it over thephone like from like right like rewound and
play it back like two minutes laterhe got the or ten minutes later he
got to hear it. You're hearingthat double slaps him. He's like that
is awesome. He's all, Ireally want to get a copy of that.
And there's another thing, the onething I'm sure I would have got

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on I know I got it onfilm. Was they started hanging the trash
of the rats couldn't get it onan old flag pull mount on the front
of it. There's a little porchbuilt in front of that travel trother was
downbling, not the single one.About one hundred yards below that was a
travel trailer with the porch, abig porch build on the front of it,
over hanging porch. So the rats, the rapts are the raps were
the thickest, so they were hangingthe There was on the front of the

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porch. Theres you know, twoby six holding up the porch, and
there was a flagpole holder on thaton that flag pole holder that hang the
trash. And it would come upevery day. It was coming up like
before dark, dude, like anhour before dark and taking the trash and
going down into that hauled out bushand separating it and you know, organizing
it and taking whatever food it wouldtake whatever food was there and leave everything
else. So I had my cameraset up rolling kind of cameoed inside the

(26:34):
inside the trailer, looking right outthe window full frame. It was a
big picture window on the front,full frame. Had the squash would have
been completely shown head to toe.And that's when the at that time,
this is all in a couple ofweeks period. That's when we left for
a couple hours, came back.We came back at dark and it was

(26:56):
still light out though, and thetrash was gone. And I was like,
oh my god, I got it. I got it somehow. Probably
I think I brought my VCR backto my house or that you had to
have like those insert things you'd putthe VHS tape into the like that whatever.
That was like an adapter, anadapter. Yeah, so I had
I had that back of my house, so we had I had to go

(27:18):
back to my house to watch thefootage. That's the night when the the
boulder. We thought it was aboulder, but it was a sasquatch around
down the hill. It's not likea boulder rolling down the hill. Just
boom, the thing was vibrating,shaking it. Hear it coming. It's
not like a boulder. One boom, boom, boom down the hill and
bam, crashed into the side ofthe trailer. The whole thing. Everything
got like everything that got knocked over, things on shelves got knocked over.

(27:40):
I mean, everything just went wentflying off to the side. We're like,
holy, we thought we thought thetrailers got mashed by a boulder.
And then we heard more foot footfallsrunning down the driveway hitting away, but
it was bone dry. I waslike September at this point, early August
or something, and just it wasso big and heavy and so fast and
it hit the hit things so hardit kind of creased aside. Like you

(28:03):
can't you went. If you walkedon he would and be like, oh,
something smashed into there. I meanlike when we knew where it hit,
you can see like where all thedesk was off, and and like
you could tell like it was therehas been a lot of pressure on it.
But it wasn't like smashed or anything. Was I gotta get that trailer
credit. It held up pretty well, but yeah, there was. There's
just something. So I went that'swhen I went home. I went back
that night. It was too tiredto do anything, just throw this stuff

(28:26):
down. Then he called in themill and I said, dud, they're
going crazy around here, like hischick with strigups goes, they're gonna kill
us, They're gonna kill us.They're getting around the trailer. They're going
crazy. And I was like oh, mass. So I got up like
five and draw back up there.I left all my tapes back at my
house. I came back two dayslater, everything's gone. That's when my
house got broken. All my stuffwas stolen, So I never got to

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review the tape. Well, Mattfrom ARCADAP, I hope that that answers
your question, because if it doesn't, we don't have time for another one.
Yeah, that was a good wellthat that was a great half hour
man, because that's a that thatthat that episode in your life when you
were frequenting that property. That alot of your bigfoot experience, early bigfoot

(29:08):
experience I think came from that property. Yeah, it was like two thousand
and two. I don't even thinkwe have ever spoken about that on the
air, so we have, whichis amazing because that was my most sustained
acting I ever had. Yeah,a lot of different things happened over time.
And as you're as you were,as you were telling the story to
our listeners there, I kept thinking, oh, yeah, he told me
this up a bluff creek at thatone. Oh he told me this side

(29:30):
of the coast that one. Yeah, So it's so funny to hear these
stories come back that I haven't heardfor a decade or more. You know,
I can't believe I've ever told iton the air. I mean it's
it's like, yeah, it waspretty monumental for me. I mean the
other people think, yeah, juststories, but for us, it was
like it was nuts how it keptgoing and going. Oh then then we
had big fires just right up overthe hill outside of Orleans that year,
and they didn't they seemed like theyjust hung around the like they stayed down

(29:55):
by the property. Even more,when the after the fires hit, when's
the last time you were at thatproperty? Oh, I haven't been there
in twenty years. I know theguy that bought it, they didn't have
anything happened. I guess they didn'treally have anything happened. Isn't it sound
empty for a while, like thatguy bailed And I think it was open
for like shoot, like two yearsor something. Maybe empty a year.
I think. I don't think itgot sold for a while. And they

(30:17):
got they got at the bottom.It was. It was there was like
three properties on that road, dirtroad, and they got the very bottom
that they got through, Like pasthis place was a psycho. Maybe I
showed it. I showed it toyou, Cliff. It was like he
had barbed wire all around the propertywith like like mannequins hung up with the
barbed wire like they'd been shot climbingthe fence. I don't think I've seen
that, but I remember you're sayingsomething about that. I took you by

(30:38):
it, so you know the guywho lives there now, Yeah, he
should check in just to see ifanything weird has been happening. I should
I drive, I've I've never seenanywhere. I think he's still there.
He had a shop in town.I used to see him by the shop
all the time. Yeah, well, yeah, you should definitely drop by
and see what that guy's been upto, if he's been hearing anything weird,
because it is my opinion, they'llbe back, you know. Yeah,

(31:03):
I know. I talked to hima couple times after that. He
didn't he wasn't aware. I mean, who knows that there's stuff was going
on. He just didn't know aboutit. But he seemed pretty confident that
they weren't around. Might be wortha conversation. If he's run into him,
that's for sure. You haven't seenhim forever. Yeah, that's that's
that story. I'm glad you remindedme then. Yeah, so yep,
Mad from Arcada. There you go. Stay tuned for more bigfoot and Beyond

(31:27):
with Cliff and Bobo. We'll beright back after these messages. So should
we hop on? Another question here? Hi, Cliff and Bobo. This
is Aaron from Lacrosse, Wisconsin.I was just wondering if there was one
time a year to go big footing, what time of year would that be?

(31:49):
Fall? Winter, spring? Thanks, guys, have a good day.
Well, it's funny we kind ofalready answered that in a way.
We think. I think it's fallright now. Do you hear this will
be the best day of the year. Yeah, absolutely guaranteed. Yeah,
don't don't even don't even wait tilltomorrow, because you'll you would have blown
it. The best time to gobig footing is right now always. But
if you had to sit back andyou could only go for like maybe a

(32:12):
couple of days or a weekend oncea year, I would probably go in
the fall. I would go inthe fall, yeah, because I mean
it is a little bit more dangerousbecause hunters are out there in the woods,
and you know that's always a riskwhen people are walking around with guns.
But at the same time, Ithink that the activity for whatever reason
I would like to should probably verifythis, maybe pull out one of the
John Green books or something like thatand look at the residing reports per season.

(32:36):
But I'm feeling it's fall. Iknow several places I've been they tell
me that they hear the vocalizations morecommonly in fall, and I feel it's
fall. Although I can't really citedata to back that up because it doesn't
really matter to me. I goall the time, I go winter,
spring, fall, whatever. ButI would say that falls a fantastic time

(32:58):
to go, whether it's perfect.These are going down that starts, seeing
further of the trees and their leaves, a lot of food out there,
berries and stuff are in bloom,and the course animals are gorging themselves to
try to get the winner. Yeah, I think fall fall to go fall.
Let's go to the next question.Hi to from Bobo. This is
Nigel from LA Thanks for a brilliantpodcast. I really enjoy the range of

(33:20):
guests and topics that you cover,and the q and a's and all the
banter that you guys have. Iwas doing some research about the size and
height of the big foot known asPatty in the nineteen sixty seven Patterson Gimlan
film, and wanted to ask you, guys, how tall you think the
figure is in the film based onyour own knowledge, and how you think
that the heightened size of the figureimpacts the authenticity of the film. Looking

(33:44):
forward to your thoughts on this.Thanks again. Well, the Bluff Creek
project as felt like a seven bookon it. Yeah, but they did.
Most of that's about the history ofrediscovering the site itself and not the
not the size of the creature.What are your thoughts on that? But
what have my own thoughts? Iwas out there for the for their final
their final measurements. I was actuallyout there with those guys another the raety,

(34:07):
and I think they're right on it. They're saying hunched over about six
four standing straight up right, itwas probably six six six seven sounds about
right. Yeah. I think it'sfair to say that a six and a
half, give or take a littlebit, is right where I put it.
Because the most direct measurement is ofcourse taking the length of the foot,
because the gate of the sasquatch bringsher foot perpendicular to the ground.

(34:30):
With every step, and I thinkthere's a ten or eleven I forget,
I forget how many frames there are, But there are ten or eleven frames
while she's walking away from the camerathat you can see the entirety of the
bottom of the foot. The problem, of course, is that the grain,
the grain of the film is socourse I guess that there's there's a
margin of error when you want tomeasure that. See, we know how

(34:51):
long her feet were because we havecasts. Her feet were just about fourteen
to fifteen inches long somewhere in there. I will to say fourteen and a
half. That's what Grover Krantz uses. But when you said so, if
you have her foot perpendicular to theground in the same frame as her entire
standing height or walking height specifically,you could just you know, count that
many pixels up and get a heightand that heights. Grover crants a ride

(35:14):
that's somewhere around six feet for herwalking height, keeping in mind that her
standing heights would be uh, youknow, a percentage taller than that because
she's sinking into the ground. Shehas about a four or five degree stooped
forward as she walks, and ofcourse she has a bent knee gate,
which all of that serves to lowerher walking height versus her standing height.

(35:37):
Grover said, she's about six whileshe's walking, a six and a half
while she's standing. My own measurementswith that same figure, using the foots,
the foot length, and whatever else, brings it about the same about
six and a half feet tall.Of course, people have pointed out,
well, you know, the footcould be up to three the bottom of
her foot could be up to maybethree feet closer to the camera than her

(35:59):
body, so that you have totake that in the consideration, which of
course Rover Krantz did in the secondedition of his book. He addressed that
mathematically, and it doesn't really changethings too much. What would change things,
and I've had this conversation with doctorMeldrum several times, actually, is
that the outside of her foot isnot a crisp line. It's a fuzzy
line because the grain of the ofthe film that they were using, which

(36:22):
you know, say it's a halfinch derivation, you know, a half
inch margin of air. Well,if there's five or six there's six foot
lengths tall, well that that's kindof a lot because a half an inch
on each side that's up the sixinches different. Doctor Meldrum puts her heights
a little bit closer to seven feetthan I would, but I think six

(36:42):
six and a half feet is prettypretty safe. But what's interesting to note,
and this is the second half ofyour question here, Nigel, is
that her height. How does thatwhat does that have to bear on the
authenticity of the film? Well,even at the smallest height of six feet
tall, humans don't fit in thatsuit. That's important. Yeah, it's

(37:05):
six and a half those it wouldeven be a worse fit. And of
course if doctor Meldrum's right at sixft eight or six foot ten, well
then then there's no chance whatsoever,unless unless you had a fernal of botomy
and they took all the skull materialout. Well yeah, yeah, that's
just that's the shape of the headof course, you know, because her
head slopes very sharply back, almosta ninety degree angle from on top of

(37:25):
her brow ridge, which b wasastley, would cut off the entire frontal lobe
of your brain if you were putinside that. Bill Munz did that Actually,
Bill Muns pointed that out with along term property owner who I know
is listening right now. Hello,to you, but also at six feet
or six foot two or something,her shoulders or something like thirty two inches
wide, thirty two inches wide.You know, if you have a tape

(37:47):
measure or yard stick nearby, looklook at what thirty two inches is.
Man, it's a long ways.That is a I don't think she's thirty
two thirty two inches wide across theshoulder. I believe she is. She
looked up well, I mean none, none the case, all the more,
nonetheless, whatever words you want touse here, Like right now,
I've got a tape across my shoulders, and you know I'm not a large

(38:10):
man or what everybody? I dohave pretty broad shoulders, and my shoulders
are about twenty twenty one inches wide. John Green had first used the foot
as a measuring tool, arriving ata walking height of six foot six with
thirty four inch shoulders in a twentytwo inch chest. Krantz's measurement found that
the subjects walking high was roughly sixfeet with shoulder width around twenty eight point
two inches, which is well,that's huge, yeah, exactly, that's

(38:36):
the point. Even at the smallside, that's not And of course people
the skeptics was, oh, wearingshoulder pads. You know, okay,
Well, then then explain the armlength, because the arms are longer in
proportion than any human on the planets. Oh, the arm extension, said
Bob Harnimas said that he had horsehorse, hockey man because the shoulder.
I'm sorry that the elbows are inthe correct place. There are no arm

(38:59):
extensions. The elbows are in thecorrect place. The arms are longer than
any human on the planet. Andwe know that the hands had to be
those are gloves. They were fullof hands. Because the fingers move independently
of everything else they are. Youcan see independent finger movement framed a frame
of the film. So whoever quoteunquote is in that suit quote unquote,

(39:22):
it is in human, which wouldbe worthy of study in itself. I
would say something for people to consideris that, yes, you could exaggerate
the width of the shoulders with shoulderpads. But the problem with that is
that you know, if you're usingthose measurements, the measurement of the foot,
if you're using the foot as ameasuring tool to arrive at those measurements,
you also have to apply that toessentially the hips. And so the

(39:45):
hips are so very wide that evenif you padded the shoulders to make them
wider, you'll notice that the armshang directly vertically, straight up and down.
So if you were to pad yourhips, your arms would have to
go out at the side. You'dhave to elevate them or raise them at
sides laterally to accommodate those big hips. And so just you know, you
could throw out the shoulder width aloneand look at the width of the hips

(40:07):
and see that the arms hang downand know right there that while shoulder pads,
that's not even part of the equation. You can toss that idea out.
Yeah, skeptics, I'll say itagain, skeptics have a lot of
explaining to do about the foot tothe foot bending back, thinking that I
forget the frame numbers, but youclearly see that there's no human foot that
bends that way. That the toesgill pointing up of the air. Yeah,

(40:30):
yeah, I get. The footstructure stuff is plainly visible. People
don't walk that way. There's allsorts of things, but the size alone,
that the height of the figure itself, no matter what height is calculated,
even if it's human height. Youknow, plenty of sasquatches or human
height. I'm on record and I'llsay it again, but I think there's
a lot of sasquatches that are betweensix and seven feet tall. A lot

(40:51):
of them, in fact, maybeeven most of the females are between six
and seven feet tall, which istotally within human height. But that doesn't
mean they're human shaped. They're They'renot portioned like humans. They are big
and massive and barrel chested and hugeshoulders and long arms and short, short,
short legs in comparison to the restof their body. They are just
simply not human in any way,certainly not physically and actually not mentally either,

(41:17):
just because you can you can tellthat by looking at them. They're
the frontal lobe is just not there. If that was a helmet that you
would have to cut off the frontpart of your brain, like Bobo is
saying, to have a full frontof botomy in order to fit inside there.
And frankly, if you're walking aroundin the woods inside of an ape
suit like that in October, whichis hunting season, you've probably already had
your full front little bottomy, atleast you're acting like it. I have

(41:38):
a bottle in front of you,then a full front of the bottom.
So there you go, Nigel,that's the that's our thoughts on it,
you know. I mean we couldbe wrong, I guess, but I
sure don't think we are, andlike your thoughts on it too, So
let us know what you think ordon't ye. Check out Bill Muns book
When Roger Met Patty. Yeah,that's probably the best source for information like

(41:59):
this. He wrote an excellent,excellent book only on the Patterson Gimblin film
and it really comes at it fromall angles. It's really really cool.
When When Roger Met Patty? BuyBill Munns and you know you buy it
online, buy it on Amazon whereif you want. But I will say
an ABC has autograph copies. Whatyou do? Yeah, autograph copies man
Bill's nights enough to bring them allto his house and then he signs them

(42:22):
for us and then he sends themare away. So yeah, the North
American Bigfoot Center dot Com. Goto the store so you can get your
autograph copy of When When Roger MetPatty by Bill Munns. Oh both,
you know, don't You shouldn't dothat. Just you just let me know
and I can hook you up.But you know, something that came up
I checked the mail today and youand I got something together. Not to
interrupt the Q and A and oreverything, but Jennifer from Burlington, New

(42:44):
Jersey sent us, uh, like, at first I thought they were like
those like those holy candles that youknow you find in grocery stores with like
stains on them, because they're shapedlike that. But actually there's some sort
of like drink, you know,their cups are. They're from this sort
of cut or whatever on the outsideas all these it's like a bunch of
graphics about Bigfoot knowledge and you know, and bigfoot graphics this and that and

(43:07):
stuff. So yeah, people aresending us gifts. Gotta love that.
Man, that's pretty cool. Thankyou. I'll try to drop this in
the mail the next week or somethinglike that for you. I'll be there
coming up sometime, not too long. Very good. I'll just hold on
to it. Then, I'll justhold on to it. Yeah. But
yeah, Jennifer from New Jersey,thanks so much. Do we really do
appreciate that, So feel free toshower us all with gifts, in fact,

(43:28):
listeners, gifts and compliments, yes, the kind words compliments, low
kisses to us as you're as you'relistening in your car on Monday morning on
a way to work, and wereally do appreciate it. So do we
have any more voicemails there? MattPruett, Hey guys, my name's Casey.
This is actually the second voicemail I'veleft. The first one was my

(43:50):
boyfriend and I were having a discussionon why there aren't more sasquatch on trail
cams. I absolutely loved your responseswere They were funny and informative. I
was wondering. My second question foryou is I live in central Ohio sort
of, I believe around where bMills grew up. Do you have any
report so many sasquats around that area? I know the southeastern part of Ohio

(44:14):
is a good area, but Iwas wondering if there was anything around the
Chilacothee area. I've heard of,possibly some in the Circleville area. We
do have some fairly wooded areas aroundhere. Just curious. I love the
podcast, love listening every Monday.You guys are fantastic. Keep up the
great work. I refuse to answerbecause there's a dog barking. I think

(44:37):
maybe that was your boyfriend. Ohman, I don't know. I don't
know, of course, as I'mjust joking around, Casey, I'm sure
your boyfriend's just lovely. Not really, I don't know what were they arguing.
I kind of remember that question.Wheren't they like having I hope he

(44:59):
has a listen. Actually, Ihope he does listen. And we really
really appreciate you listening. By theway. Yeah, so the central Ohio
bobs like off the top of yourhead, you can, can you remember
anything? No? Yeah, Ohiohas a has a lot of scattered reports.
I mean southeast, of course isthe best habitat forms you're going to
find most stuff over there. Iforgot the name of the city she was
mentioning, but Circleville, Circleville.Okay, well, let's let's take a

(45:22):
look here. Let me pull outmy my right whatever it is my data
here Circleville and cut that in.See where is that? Oh it's both
my Columbus the south of Columbus.Yeah, of course there's going to be
reports south of Columbus because just justa little bit to the east of you
is of course wide open, butspecifically in that area. Oh yeah,

(45:46):
dude, that that's that place goesoff around there, does it? Now?
I don't have I don't have anythingshowing up here at this moment,
but hold on, say I mightneed to adjust something here. I think
just east of there, like fiveor six miles. Yeah, dude,
Yeah, there's not this by rockBridge Preserve. Oh yeah, I've got

(46:09):
some. I got a whole smatteringof stuff north of Gibsonville, between sugar
Grove and Gibsonville, which of courseis better habitat than say Circleville, because
Circleville looks like it's mostly farmed,you know at this point. Yeah,
so there's a bunch of stuff,and it looks like there's a smattering of
stuff from the two thousands actually,like mid nineties to about two thousand and
ten or more. But this particulardatabase I'm looking in right now is pretty

(46:30):
old, so that explains a lotof it. But yeah, they are
certainly there. I would just goa little bit further to the east,
kind of approaching you know, sugarGrove and that general area. Rock Bridge.
Logan. I know, Logan's reallygood. I did that job out
there with B Mills in August thatthe Hawking Hills big Foot Festival. We're
in Logan or what is it fortythousand people showed up this year. I

(46:53):
got a ton of reports from there, So yeah, in anywhere in that
zone to be great. The bestthing you can do is look for previous
reports and go camping or go walkingin those general areas, and of course,
you know, if you if youwant to, you know, virgin
bigfoots. Basically look for areas wherethere are no reports and then try to

(47:14):
figure out why would they be there, Why would they be there? Maybe
you can find a chicken farm.Maybe you can find some one of those
places where the I don't know whatthere we would be called there, like
what they would be called Ohio.You know transportation, you know whatever department
of transportation where they throw their deaddeer that they get on this side of

(47:34):
the road. Maybe find a placelike that. Maybe find an unscrupulous chicken
farmer who disposes of the dead chickensin the river, you know, something
like that. Finds a reason forthem to be there with a lot of
food, and then go there.Alfalfa fields are a really good reason for
deer to be there, And whereverdeer congretate, you're probably going to find
some sasquatches. So yeah, casey, in your area, I would go

(47:55):
east just a little bit. Yeah, the place that's the best spot in
all of Ohio pretty much. Imean all through there down well then down
the West Virginia border of course.Yeah. Dig around in the databases,
go to a couple of the onlineresources and find where there's a handful of
reports within just a few miles,and start going there. Stay tuned for
more big foot and beyond with Cliffand Bogo. We'll be right back after

(48:20):
these messages. I just got areport from I just had on my Facebook
page some photos posted. This guywas he's an older guy, just getting
used to a new drone and hewas out flying around down there and he
was just taking roundom pictures and hesaw this thing later on and he thought

(48:43):
what it was. His body lookedat it because that's a big foot.
They went back and there was nothingthere. They did some size comparisons.
It's like eight foot tall. There'sa BFRL guy investigating it right now,
and he said, yeah, Ithink it's the real deal because they went
back and there's nothing there and thingslike over eight. You know, I
got an interesting story. I don'tknow if I mentioned this on the air,
if I did please forgive me.But a gentleman came up to me

(49:06):
in Logan when I did that conference, or the festival rather, and he
was saying that when he was akid, when this nineteen seventies, he
ran across what he thought was adead gorilla in the woods in Ohio.
Did I tell you this? No? Oh yeah, yeah yeah. And
he was a really cool guy,right. I still have his number actually,
and he said that he ran acrosswhat he thought was a dead gorilla
in the woods. But he waslike, you know, eight or something.

(49:27):
I'm guessing at the time, theway back in the nineteen seventies,
and I go, no, nokidding, I mean did you And I
thinking to myself, maybe it wasa bear, right, so I'm trying
to figure out if it was abear? Said well, I mean,
could it have been a bit?No, it wasn't a bear. It's
like they had hands, dude,You go, really, really, what
made you think it was a gorilla? He goes the face, It's like,
oh man. So but he alsowent on to say that it was
kind of it was a cheerating androtting away in the woods and stuff.

(49:51):
It was in a pretty deep ravine, very close to a road at the
top of the ravine. There wasa road up there, and yeah,
he he guessed that perhaps it washit by a car and it made his
way down to the thing and diedthere. And of course I got a
couple of my friends on it.Suzanne, she listens as well. She
went and spoke to the person atlength. So yeah, yeah, there's

(50:14):
a report out there. I'm lookingforward to reading it, of course.
And yeah, so interesting things,man, interesting things happening out there in
Ohio. So apparently, by theway, Bobs, I don't want to
interrupt, but he apparently nowadays he'sa pastor as well. So I'm not
not like pastors would never lie oranything like that, but you know,
I would like to think that themajority of them are good, honest people
and would do their best not toYEA, Yeah, that's awesome. There's

(50:39):
all these mischances. It's just sofrushing, like, dude, like just
the right person when I got youknow, he it's just so close.
So many times I have something likethat come in and just never does.
Yeah, it's kind of aggravating insome ways. But well, anyway,
Casey, there's your answer for you. I would go a little bit east

(50:59):
and and and be sure to feedyour boyfriend and take them for a walk.
You're in one of the best spotsin the world. And actually,
of course we're obviously just joking aroundabout your boyfriend, isn't well? I
am? I am? You canwhoever, hey, boyfriend, you can
come beat up Bobo, but notme. I'm sure you're lovely. How
about there are there any more voicemails? Matt, let's queue up the last

(51:21):
voicemail here. Hey, Cliff andBobo. Austin here, huge fan of
your show and I really like thepodcast. My question for you, how
many different subspecies of bigfoot do youthink there are North America? Is as
simple as there's an Eastern Bigfoot inthe Western Bigfoot? Or is there even
more breakdown than that? Thanks?Hopefully I can see you on TV again

(51:44):
for new episodes sometimes soon. Bye. Thank you, Austin. Yeah,
well, first off, we saywe say this every week, so it's
treasures. There's no more shows comingup for that. That's what that's done.
Yeah, we kind of. Ithink we've all moved on to bigger
and better things. Clearly, thispodcast is way better than a television show.
It's become obvious that there are manysubspecies of finding Bigfoot at this point,

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well, you know, it's becausethe TV industries are frankly, they're
kind of cowards. You know,they're unable, They're unwilling and unable to
take chances for fear of failure becausethere's so much money on the table.
It's not really unfortunate. But toanswer Austin's question, I think how many
subspecies there are, I would sayzero in North America. I think there's
one species of whatever sasquatches are.I don't think there are subspecies here in

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North America at all. And thepeople who I speak to that are strong
advocates of that position. Their bestreason is behavior or hair color or something
like that, a little bit onsize, But none of those things necessarily
point to a new species, oreven a subspecies for that matter, because

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Bobo and I, for example,are same species, but we have different
hair color. Although the older weget, Bobo's turning whiter all the time.
Yeah, we're about the same colornow, except for I'm a silver
fox, you're a gray fox.Yeah. Okay, so nice, I'll
take that. I'll consult Melissa onthat. Verify the fox part of course.

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Yeah, so I think so differentcolors doesn't doesn't make a new species.
Different sizes certainly, that doesn't makea new species. Different behaviors certainly
doesn't make a new species. Andbecause again Bobo is a lovely, kind
person, I'm generally kind of ajerk from from what I understand. So
we're the same species. So anyway, there you go. I think there's

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zero subspecies. I think that's aspecies sasquash. Because the footprints in Florida
match the footprints in British Columbia,match the footprints in Ohio, match the
footprints in Arizona, et cetera.I think we're dealing with one type of
very thinly spread species all throughout NorthAmerica. Yeah, I'm not a big
fan of trinomial nomenclature as it's usedmany times, because, like, as

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a good example, right now,there are sixteen recognize subspecies of American black
bear, which is fairly preposterous,and now with genetic studies, it's showing
that they're not even supportable as beingyou know, distinct. And so I
think that the system, so tospeak, or let's say, the establishment
incentivizes quote unquote discovering subspecies, eventhough these bears have been well known and

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well understood. But if you cansomehow make a name by discovering, in
air quotes, a new subspecies ofblack bear, well now you've just made
a discovery, even though again geneticstypically don't support these things that there's really
no distinction other than no one couldtell you could show bears. It's the
same look I wanted the other one. Absolutely, Yeah, you know,

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in paleoanthropology. WHOA, I'm sorrythis rupt there's a loud click inside the
building here. That's really weird becausethere's been a lot of weird noises.
I want to get all Ghostie andHALLOWEENI on you or anything, but it
is coming up. The weird thingsbeen happening in the shop here, and
I just sort of really loud click. But anyway to things at hand.
As I'm looking around the room I'min right now, what the hell was

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I saying? Oh, yeah,in paleoanthropology, which is one of my
favorite topics and sciences, and thatI dabble in the term for that is
lumpers and splitters, because you know, as Matt was just saying, you
know, you earn a name foryourself. If you discover a new species,
my god, that's a huge thing, right, But so but how
far do you want to take it? And when species themselves kind of almost

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don't even exist. It's just thistransitory form in this gradient from one side
to the other, you know,from humanity on one side and you know,
single cell organisms on the other.There's this long human gradient of evolution.
So species themselves are kind of fuzzydistinctions. The lumpers go always go

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for a fewer species. You know, austrell Epithecenes are pretty distinct from Homo
sapiens, for example, so youcan lump a lot of things in australl
epithecenes, austrell Epithecus. The splitters, though, they get down there,
and they're the ones that I'm asplitter would be person who would say there
are sixteen subspecies of black bear.Lauren Coleman, Well, yeah, Lauren

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Coleman did something like this. I'mhere one of his books. What was
that book called is that? Whatis Field Guide to Mystery Primates? Where
he would split these into different speciesbased on their description and behaviors and that
sort of thing. I'm not thatguy, Lauren is a splitter. I'm
a lumper, you know, andthere's nothing wrong with either one. It's
just a perspective of looking at things. I think there's one species of sasquatch

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here in North America because I'm alumper, arguably a lumpy lumper. I'm
a lumper, long lived the Lumpers. We should change the name of this
podcast to the Lumpy Boys. Well, if we ever make a poster,
that won't be our choice. Youknow, I know that's in really good
shape. So there you go.I hope that helps a little bit of
awestin. Thank you very much foryour question, and also thank you for

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listening. It's very kind of you. All Right, well, I guess
this week we're kind of running outof time. We're gonna save these written
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maybe let's listen next month for thenext August Q and A. That was

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we really really appreciate every single oneof you. It's five bucks a month
and you get an extra hour ofcontent more or less every single week,
and once a month you get toask us questions and from a much smaller
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the fans setting in was the bigFoot on our logo walking with the mic

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and he's one of the members onlycheck it from the eighties. Yeah.
Yeah, we've been getting some reallysome a small number, but really fantastic
fan art. We really do appreciatethat, Thank you very much. I
got a piece of fan art recentlyfor the museum, a metal sasquatch carrying
a metal alien that was really neat. I'm going to display that here at

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the NABC, so come by andcheck it out. Bobo. We'll be
up I guess here in the nextmonth or two and he can come check
it out for himself. So anyway, thank you very much. Listeners,
We really appreciate it. Bobo.You have anything at add just this all
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