Ep. 227 - Clobo's Catch-Up!

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Hey, Bobs, what's happening man? How much? What's going on?
Cliff? All sorts of stuff,really, all sorts of stuff.
Summers winding down, the wildfires.I'm super happy about that. I get
sketched out about that every year.Now. This is probably my least favorite
time of year. I thought,something, you're happy about them? No,
no, no, no, notat all. They're super sketchy,
know because I live in a tinderbox. After all you're having there's lack

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of fires exactly. Yeah, I'mreally happy there's a lack of fires right
now. There was actually one inthe sandy just like two miles from the
house over the weekend, basically likeon Sunday, I think it burst out.
We had an electoral storm come throughthe night. It was pretty bitch
and watching it. But we're sittingon Oh no, there's thirteen. We
had like a real low fire thissummer, like nothing around here, and

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then the thirteen fires sparked up overthat lightning storm and Bluff Creeks one of
the one of the big ones,I guess are bigger. I was out
of town for the weekend. I'lltell you about that in a minute.
But Melissa was a little concerned becauseI don't want her to have to evacuate
the house alone. No, thatwould be very problematic. And plus Sochi
was on the down two this week. My dog Sochi, she had surgery

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this week, just like minor surgery, had some benign weird things removed from
her eyelid and off of her elbowand stuff. But that's to be expected,
I think because she is deep downinside somewhere in her DNA she is
sharpay. Yeah, because remember oneof our producers got that DNA test for

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when when we found Sochy in thewoods, and sharpay is in her.
And of course, when you breedanimals to be weird in some sort of
physical way, like a sharpay iskind of weird in their skin, you
know, or just like a pugis weirdness nasal passages. You know that
that's where they tend to have problems. But you know, she's doing fine.
She's doing fine. But anyway,I didn't want with the complications of
Sochi recovering from her surgery and mebeing out of town, I didn't want

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Melissa have to try to evacuate thehouse alone unfortunately, you know, but
she didn't. She didn't yet becauseClackamus County fire folks. Man. God,
I love the fire department here inClackamus County. I mean just every
one of them, and of courseSandy has her great has their their their
Their fire department is fantastic and theytook care of it in short order.

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They're all professional, they're sharp,and Clackamus County has one of the local
stations I free at, which oneI think is fourteen or something like that
uses a sasquatch wearing a fire fireman'shat or a fire person's hat, you
know, with like the weird thingover the back of the neck and everything
as their logo. I've seen thatstick it in the shop. Well yeah,

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actually, the fire department people camein and gave us a poster that
they had made for their like localClackamus County Fire department thing. You know.
It was really cool, and theyhave stickers on their helmets with Sasquatches
on it. Yeah, it's reallycool. It's really cool. I will
put that out. I'll send thatto Matt Prude if he wants it,
he can post it on our Patreonor members and stuff. So maybe they

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can check it out because Melissa andI took a picture put it on social
media recently in front of one oftheir fire trucks because they have the sasquatch
logo on their fire trucks. Ican't say enough nice things about the first
responders around in local area here.That's really cool, is I think?
I think a lot of money ofit so on those is like, sure,
it's no fundraisers, and of courseI'd be happy to help them,
and they know that too. Becausethere's a coffee place in the parking lot

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where the museum is, and Iwas Melissa and I think I think it
was Melissa. Yeah, I knowit, sir. We went across the
way to get a coffee and thefire department people were in there, and
I knew they were there obviously theirfire you know, uniforms, and I
didn't know which which one they werein, so I asked them, did
you know that there's a Sasquatch andso yeah, that's our station, and
we started talking to them, andthey've been in the museum a number of

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times. And the more first respondersaround the museum the better, as far
as I can tell. Well,that's a great place to evacuate too,
because I mean there's no trees aroundyou. It's it's in a parking lot.
I mean, you're you're pretty safethere. I mean, that's something
horrific, like just unreal happened.I mean, it'd be pretty safe,
i'd imagine. Yeah, well,we had to evacuate the museum a couple
of years ago. Do you rememberthat. Yeah, that's just proprotionary.

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Yeah, but it was kind ofweird because you know where the museum is
next to Highway twenty six. Yeah, you know, we do evacuations Level
one, two, three, Threemeans like get out you're in danger.
Two means get ready to go,and number one means start thinking about it
pretty heavily. Here it was,it was zone three at the high at

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the highway and on Highway twenty sixbetween Highway twenty six and just then and
Chester's Pub right on the other sideof the museum there. It was zoned
two and between Chester's Pub and ComptonRoad, the road that are, you
know, the turn off of toget into the parking lot. It was
level one, so in like threehundred yards they went all three levels,
you know. And I remember thinkingback then and saying, well, you

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know what, some of the stuffis irreplaceable. There are artifacts here that
cannot be replaced. Ever, weneed to get those out of here,
and so we did so, wedid so we brought them over to Key's
house. But that was kind ofsketchy. But you're right, there's not
a lot to burn there except fora giant field of brambles right behind the
shop or gas station, yeah right, or a gas station. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah, that's a goodpoint. Well, what squash's going on?
Oh well, you know, whileI'll start with this, may have
had them moved through last night herereally maybe maybe it's been a while since
I've heard anything. Melissa heard somethingmaybe like two months ago. I forget

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what it was. I think wasa big knock or something behind the house.
But last night last night, Iwas out, you know, it
was it was after dark, Itwas after dark, and I was just
like walking around, you know,just walking around the local property on the
grass. I think it was adusk. I think it was just finishing
watering and Fromember right, but itwas a dusk, and out by the
fire pit there I heard something likeif you're facing the hill behind the house,

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you know, I heard something offto the left that seemed pretty big,
and I thought dear at the time, and so I started walking to
the west behind the house, andwhatever suddenly it was above me and kind
of pacing me, and I thoughtthat was weird. I thinking, oh,
what the heck is this is acat or something, And so I

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went up on the porch and headedinto the house, you know, because
I don't want to dance with themountain lion, you know, close and
personal. You know, I justkind of forgot about it. And then
a few hours later, this isprobably around midnight or something like that,
Melissa had already gone to bed.And I love this. I mean,
I just got done saying this ismy least favorite time of year, but
I love this time of year.You know, I can have both.
That just means I like the othertimes of the year perhaps more except for

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the dead Dead winner February and it'skind of a bum out. But this
time. You're scary because of thewildfires. But I love being outside at
night, Like I'm wearing shorts anda t shirt outside my house at nine.
I love that. I just lovethe woods at night, you know.
And so I went out on thefront porch and I was standing there

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and I was just kind of standingthere, just enjoying the air and the
temperature and stuff. And between meand the outbuilding down to the right behind
where all the trees are, youknow that area there, there was a
very loud there was a noise.It was a crack. I'm not sure
if it was a stick breaking ormaybe like a clap sort of thing.

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It was a very sharp noise likethat. And I went like oh,
And I kind of listened for aminute and stood still, and I said,
I don't I kind of started askingmyself, it's that's just like a
deer breaking a branch, like steppingon something. It didn't quite sound like
a branch, And you know,the dialogue in my head started going going
in circles. And then I heardsomething walking on the gravel across the road

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towards the out building. When Icouldn't see it all the trees and stuff
really like that gravel pile, thatbig pile. Yeah, kind of walking
towards that, away from the gardenareya below the house. And then I
said, oh my gosh. SoI went inside pretty quick to get my
thermal imager, which is you know, just right down the stairs in the
garage there. And then I,you know, I sat outside with a

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thumb and went down and I tooka flashlight and went down and looked for
footprints in the gravel. But Iwas kind of sketchy, you know,
most it was asleep and everything,and then I only had one way back
inside the house if if it wasn'ta sasquatch. You know, I don't
know what it was. I haveno idea for what it was. But
it wasn't galloping off. I'll tellyou that it was definitely walking away.
I mean, so you heard thecrack, You heard the crack whatever,

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cracking pops, whatever that sound was, and then then you went got there,
then you went and got thern whenyou came out, then you heard
it walking away. No, Iheard the crack, then I heard it
walking away, because I was Istood there for a minute or two and
then when occurred to me like maybethat was a clap. I started talking
to it, seeing, you know, just talking to it for whatever reason
and let let it know that I'myou know, hey, buddy, I

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heard you down there like that kindof thing, you know. And then
then I went and got the therm, and then I went down and looked
for prince and in the grave.I looked this morning as well, and
I didn't see anything because you know, people are driving the road all the
time, and Melissa and I gofor walks every single day. Was so
chee down the road and stuff,so I didn't see anything unusual down there.
But so I so I stayed upfor a couple more hours just listening,

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like sitting on the back porch,and not too long afterwards, maybe
about twenty thirty minutes afterwards, Ithink I was out front when I heard
this, you know, up onthe hill, like way up on the
hill, up the road, onthe hill where that spring is. I
heard like basically, you know,like things a tree coming down or something

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breaking, a bunch of stuff,or I don't know, you know,
forest noise, like something big upthere causing or ruckus. And I'm saying,
okay, well, that's certainly notthe same thing I heard down here,
But I kind of have this ideathat the Sasquatches kind of moved through
an area together, and it's veryreasonable for them, in my opinion,
to be spaced apart, like fivehundred yards. You know, I think
that that's their grouping. I thinkthey keep really really loose groupings where that's

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why most people see just one individual. But I don't think there's just one
individual there. Maybe they're not withintwenty yards of another, maybe within three
hundred yards of each other or fivehundred yards of each other, but I
think there's another one around. Soso it's just got me thinking, you
know, it's you know one tofive or five is absolutely that's a sasquatch,
and one is absolutely that it's nota sasquatch. This is a three,

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you know, in my opinion.But it's interesting. It's interesting,
and you know, the apples arethick with apples on the trees right now,
and the berries are everywhere. Andto take pictures of the apple trees
just to see like what's disappearing overnightand stuff like that everywhere. Now I
haven't done that, but I did. I did kind of concentrate all the
apples that have fallen off the treein one area on the ground because I

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haven't picked up the apples in acouple of days, but it seemed to
be about the same number. Ididn't notice that anywhere missing, and if
they're taking any it's it's just ahandful of them. I haven't checked the
peach tree yet. I need togo out and do that because they're more
than ripe pinging on the tree.This is the first year my peach trees
had fruit, so I didn't knowI supposed to pull them off before they
got soft, but at least nowI know for next year. So I

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don't know if that happened last night. That was kind of cool. Yeah,
that's that's where you lived there before. I get the excitement a little
adrenaline. Yeah, yeah, thatwas That was pretty neat. So I'll
probably go for a walk on theupper property today because I'm gonna except for
you know, doing the podcast heretoday, I'm gonna try to take today
off. It's been a while sinceIFF had a day off because I was
out of town all weekend, whichis another big should be old here.

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Yeah, I drove up Keith camewith me. Keith the contractor from the
NABC. He's a guy that basicallybuilt the infrastructure the museum for me to
hang the content on. Keith andI went out to the Blue Mountains over
the weekend to help Doug high checkedwith a little bit of filming for Legimide
Science, kind of doing some reallycool in depth work on the Freeman's site.

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You know, I don't want tospill the beans too much because I
know what I did, but aman, the results are going to be
really something to see. We've appliedsome really cutting edge technology to the Freeman's
site, and I think I believe, and this is all preliminary, I
don't know, man, I believethat what we've done there will help us
give pretty close to exact dimensions ofthe figure and also shed a lot of

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light on where it was walking andmaybe perhaps what it was doing, because
it's such an interesting piece of footage. I mean, there's so much less
information in it than the Patterson Gimlinfilm, you know, because it's just
not as clear as it is becausehe was using that what is a super
eight or high eight or whatever itwas, whatever tape that was, but
it's magnetic tape is nothing compared tothe digital technology of the day. Yeah,

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so I don't know. It's digitallike magnetic. Digital tape for video
isn't really good. It's not nearlyas good as film, which came before
it, and not nearly as goodas digital, which came after it.
So there's not much hope in gettingit too much clearer, I think.
But we can learn a lot bydoing a really complete survey than a topographical

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study of the site itself. AndI certainly learned a couple of things.
And I'm mind you. This ismy fourth survey out there. Connor and
I did a great one last summer. Oh we got those videos. Yeah,
we got those videos. And Ithink I think we put those out
to the patrons, right or didn'twe? That's sure. I saw though.
They were great. Those were awesome. Those are like the best things
I saw Sasquatch all year. Yeah, they're really good stuff. And then

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this is my third trip this yearto the Blues. I went out.
I went out once specifically to gothere and get some stuff. I swung
by another time after the Spokane conference, and now this is my third time
out there just to kind of shoreup some measurements. And there were some
things that we didn't get when wewere out there last year that I wanted
to get this time, like,you know, like here's here's something I

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learned, and I knew this,but being at the site I kind of
helped me, kind of helped meput things together. One of the things
that bothered me about the film fora long time because I wasn't sure if
it was real or not. Iwas leaning towards it being real, and
I still am. I'm strongly leaningtowards it being real, but mostly based
on the footprints. You know,the footprints seemed to be of a known
individual that we have other footprint castsfrom. We think it's the same individual

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the Doctor Meldrum cast in nineteen ninetysix and the same one that left the
trackway on seven Mile Road by sevenMile Bridge in nineteen ninety one. So
I mean, I've always I've alwaysleaned towards thinking the footage is real based
on the footprints, because there's nota lot of information in the film.
How far part are those foot prints, what's what's the disition that those footprints

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were found apart not too far,not too far because five points where Jeff
got the tracks in ninety six isjust down the hills and the foothills,
basically almost right below where De DuckSprings is. And then seven Mile Road
is just a spur road off ofMill Creek Road, probably about two or
three miles from Jeff's location. Andit's interesting, it's I think important and

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certainly interesting to note that the bothof those trackways, the seven Mile trackway
and and the Meldrum find or Freemanfound up at meldrom Caaston then five Points,
we're both wintertime track ways. Andof course the d Duck stuff was
summer, but it's a much higherelevation. It's like five thousand or more
feet at the Duck Springs imber right, you know, So the animals seemed

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to be coming up and down basedon the season to some degree. I
think that's important or at least interesting. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond
with Cliff and Bobo. Will beright back after these messages. But one
of the things I learned this pastweekend by going to the site and studying

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it some more is one of thethings that always bothered me about the way
about the footage is the way itmoves, you know, when it's behind
like it moves from right to left. It goes behind a big stump or
a snag I guess we can callit, which is not there. It's
been cut down, probably for firewoodor something like that. The stump is
still there. The stump is abouta foot and a half two feet tall.
I have the measurements written down somewhere, but at the time it was

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more like seven feet tall. Soit moves behind that. Then it moves
behind a gray tree in the middlethere the gray trees a few feet away
from that stump, and then closerto Paul when he was filming. And
then it moves in front of fromour perspective, a small fir tree,
and that fir tree is still thereas well. That's that's where he kind
of does the head snap, rightin there between the gray tree and the

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fir tree. The head snap looksover pretty pretty quickly to look at Paul
and then looks back. And theDoug pointed out to me when I was
talking to him that that would bevery difficult to do with like a commercial
suit of some sort, because theif the head snap was quick enough,
the mask itself would stay in oneposition instead of snapping with the head so

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I thought that was interesting. Notsuper conclusive in anyway, but interesting.
And then the thing steps forward andhides behind a smaller fur or of some
sort. And the trip last timeand these trips this time, I failed
to notice that, Yeah, thosetrees are still there. They're just eighteen
feet tall or something. Now twentyfeet tall. Those trees are still there,
so we know exactly where the thingwalked within a foot or two,

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which is really neat. I lovethat. Then Paul runs up and he's
looking at totally in the wrong directionfor the thing, not knowing where it
was. But here's another interesting thingwe picked them. Oh, I didn't
talk about the way it moves.I'm so sorry. I'm just kind of
blabbing, kind of scattered right now. But as it steps out from behind
like the stump and the great tree, it does like this lunging step,
and that always kind of bothered mein a way because it's not like the

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Patterson Gimblin film, where you know, it's a smooth gate walking away and
stuff. That good to me.Well, you know, the thing I
didn't take into account is the changein elevation between those two spots. Today,
there's a rotten log there, butit took measurements from underneath the ground
surrounding the log. And we're alsowhere the things stepped two because we know

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pretty close to where that is,and there's a six inch or more difference
in height between those two places.Well, that would account for that big
sort of lunging step in a lotof ways that I never really occurred to
me to take that into consideration.So I thought that was interesting. That
explains that one thing that it reallydidn't like about it. And then also
the walk away scene where a Dougbelieved there's a purported baby lift, and

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I think that might actually be true, but you know, we don't know
for sure, but I think it'svery a very interesting possibility, and it
certainly looks like one. I'll givehim that. It certainly looks like one.
So I think it's a very realpossibility. But we got a better,
I guess, a better bead onwhere the animal was walking at the
time, because from where Paul wasfilming. When you're looking at that segment

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of video, there's a tree onthe left and a tree on the right
in the foreground not that far fromPaul, probably ten twenty feet from all
at the most. Now we knowexactly how far that was by the way
too, but the animals in thedistance walking away, well, it turns
out that that tree on the rightwas blocking another very prominent tree behind it,

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So we can use those two treeslike rifle sights and then stand basically
exactly or within a foot or soof where Paul was standing, and then
a lot of the same features arestill in the landscape, so we can
see where the animal was walking,and where the animal was walking straight away
from the camera was very close tothe trail, it turns out, because

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the trail or the road at thetime is the two track. At the
time that kind of petered down thewoods. But now there's no two anything.
It's just one little animal trail sortof thing now. But it goes
by where Paul was standing, goesaround a group of trees, and curves
back to the left. So theanimal was walking almost next to the trail,
not on the trail, because Paulfound a small number of footprints over

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there, and that ground would takeany sort of footprints, as we saw
earlier in the same piece of footage, But it was walking just along to
the left of that trail, andI thought that was pretty interesting. It
was walking in the woods because afew months ago I found in cast foot
prints outside of Port Angeles, andthe animal was walking through the brush,
not in the place where it wasactually easier to walk in the creek bed

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area. It was actually walking throughthe brush, and it was doing this
kind of the same behavior here.And then also at that point, we
decided it had three options to getaway from Paul. It could either go
to the right, where there's alarge hill about two hundred yards away and
brush and it would just totally disappear. It can go straight ahead, or
it can go to the left anddrop down in the small ravine that the

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spring flows through before it empties intothe pond, the duck pond or walden
pond as is sometimes called. Wedon't know which way it went, but
we know it didn't go right becausePaul moves to the right and we never
see the animal come out, andthe position Paul was in also suggests that
it didn't move forward all the way. We can't be sure of that at
this moment, but I think thatour data might give us that. So

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right now, the working hypothesis isat the animal after it picked up the
baby, if that's in fact whatit did, dropped down to the left
and into the small ravine and hidthere while Freeman went further up the road
looking for the animal with the camerain vain and never finding it. Sounds
about right. We're learning a lotabout the footage at this moment, and

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even more stuff is going to becoming down the pipe. Man. Doctor
Meldrum was out there with us.He putting in his two cents, which
of course is worth four or more. I get it a whole nickel.
Yeah, well, my two centsis usually just worth about one, you
know, inflation and all. Butdoctor Meldrum's words, you know, his
inputs excellent, of course, andthere's a pleasure to be out in the

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woods with him. Isaac Tan showedup as well, Doctor Isaac Dean,
I should say, he just gothis doctor. It's a congratulations, Isaac.
I spent a couple of nights withhim afterwards, kind of talking about
various ideas and stuff. And he'sgoing to come down and I'll take him
to a couple of our big footspots and see what he has to say.
And yeah, he's really interested ingetting down the woods down in my
area, even though he lives upin Seattle, but you know, he

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can come down for a night orsomething. I know he's made a big
contribution. What did he do?Did something like with computer stuff or what
that guy? Yeah, yeah,he's a gosh. His PhD is in
something very long, but it's somethingthe effect of like like visual computer or
something or other. Basically, movingpictures is what digital blah blah blah.
I don't even know what his PhDis in. He said it, but

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it's very very long. He basicallyis a computer engineer that specializes in three
D graphics and and cleaning up andyou know, making images and all this
other stuff like I guess, Idon't know. I mean, the more
I talk to realize I'm just talking. I'm not sure exactly what it is.
But it's some sort of computer imagething. And what he did so
far. What put him on myradar is he worked with that TV show

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that I'm on sometimes called Proof isout there on History Channel, and they
wanted to do a Bigfoot special,and so they did. I think it
was episode thirteen a season two,but don't quote me on that. You
can find it online. It wasthis about a year ago in October,
they aired this thing and what theydid is, you remember the idea when
when that that that find that fourthcopy of the PG film surface when we're

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filming the Willow Creek Finding Bigfoot episodein twenty seventeen, I think it was,
and Bill Munn says, you knowthat now that we have four copies,
we can overlay them with one anotherand pull out the distortions, pull
out the blemishes, so the onlything left there will be what was in
the original. So basically, Isaac, being the genius set he is,

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wrote a computer script to do thatautomatically. So instead of doing like a
physical layover like Bill was suggesting,where you take each one and you superimpose
him and stuff, he basically wrotea computer script, a program that would
do that automatically for every one ofthe piece of the frames. And I
believe he also said that he alsoused AI to simulate the space in between

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the frames so it's smoother, youknow, because I think he was sixteen
or eighteen frames a second. Ithink he was sixteen because that's what the
camera has, but as a springwound camera, so the eighteen isn't outside
the realm of a error for aanalog camera in such a way. But
yeah, so he basically did that, and they aired this cleaned up version

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on the Proof Is Out There.Isaac was there, Doctor Meldrum was there,
and Bill Muns was there on apanel discussion. Okay, yeah,
that's how I know who he is. I knew I was impression the guy,
but I couldn't remember why. Ohhe's rat he's super cool. We'll
get him on the podcast. He'sa good guy. I'm sure he'll come
on. We're gonna you know.But I watched it and I said,
oh man, this is the bestthing I've seen on the PG film by

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far, as far as the analysisof it and like what the details it
brought out and all that sort ofstuff, and see stabilized it of course,
and it's just fantastic. I evencongratulated the producers of Proof Is Out
Proof Is Out There when I spoketo them. But I've done two film
shoots at them this year. I'vegot a few more common I guess from
what I understand. But I evencongratulated them, like I'm happy to work

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with them because of that excellent workthey did on the PG film. But
then I talked to Isaac, andIsaac says, yeah, you know,
they could have made it a lotlonger. I just wanted to do the
full two hours on it, andthey didn't think there was enough content,
so they put in like clips,you know, like the regular show is.
You know, they show some clipand they have some nerd like me
talking about it. But they said, yeah, we only did a little
bit on the PG film and thenthe rest was that. But I think

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we had enough for a full twohours because there's so much the share that
I didn't even get an opportunity tobring out. I'm thinking, holy smokes,
what does this guy have? Sowe'll get them on the show here.
But you know, it's a visualthing, so you know, radio
podcast isn't the best way for himto show what he's done. But I
did talk to Isaac, but Ithink this winner. You know, when

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summer calms down a bit, we'llhave him down at the museum and do
a special event with them. Greatthose things where we sell you know thirty
or forty tike gets and we goto the pizza place with the big TV
and yeah, and so that wayIsaac can show us really in depth not
only is process, but also mostimportantly the finished product, because it is
by far, by far, handsdown, unquestionably the best version of the

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PG film that is out there.Yeah. I thought that show is kind
of cheesy, and then I watchedthat episode so I knew you were on
it and Jeff was on and stuff, and I was like, well,
this is I this is that sameshows as great. Yeah, you know,
it's a pretty it's a pretty funshow. I mean, the producers
have a good attitude about it.They had me comment on some things that
I think are kind of ridiculous,you know, like let's you know those

(26:37):
starling birds that you see flyinger andlike when you're driving in California down the
five or whatever, then that thegiant flock of these things, like this
cloud of birds in the sky.Some photographer got a picture of the cloud
resembling a bird, you know,and the producers, being TV producers,
are like, do you think thisis some sort of like sentience or uber
mind that's controlling the birds? AndI go, now, man, it's

(26:59):
just a paradoia. And you thinkI got lucky with a good shot.
But they let me say that theythey're not trying to push their agenda.
They typical TV stuff, you know, they they pushed the ridiculous and they
come to a conclusion. They tryto get me to say I did two
of those shows. Oh not badshow, but two shows like it,
right, yeah, yeah, LikeI think I think I did one episode
of that. I don't think theyever used mine. They said it wasn't

(27:21):
too us sup or so, becauseI think they can't try to get me
to say stuff like they wanted tobe like the dumb Baldwin brother or whatever,
kind of like the Leaf Garrett,you know, kind of gotten those
talking head shows like they wanted meto say. They wanted me to say
like the dumb stuff. And I'mlike, are like, because they are
showing me stuffing, I knew theanswer too, And I'm like, I've
toy researched this that way you're talkingabout right there, that's that's this.
They're saying, Well, just sayjust pretend you think it's this, and

(27:44):
I'm like, no, no,I'm out of here. Well, I
mean I finished the day after,like yeah, two of them, two
of the places. Two the showsdidn't even pay me. I don't think
that's these guys. It sounds likea different show because these guys they're always
very respectful. Because I told himI'm not gonna lie for you. As
long as he'd let me tell youmy truth, I'm happy to do the
show, and they said, oh, yeah, that's what we want.
Well anyway, Yeah, so that'sthe big foot stuff I've been up to,

(28:06):
I guess for the most part.This this coming weekend, I'll be
in Idaho doing that Freeman thing,Michael Freeman, doctor Meldrum and me doing
a panel thing. By the timethe Sarah's of course this will be done,
but Meldrum and I are going tobe there with Michael Freeman and Brian
king Sharp from that Sasquatch Odyssey podcast. Doug hi Check is going to be

(28:29):
i think virtually joining us talking aboutthe Freeman footage to some degree. Then
I've got a couple of weeks offfinally, so I'm looking forward to that
too. I keep thinking I barelycamp this summer, but it's not true.
I mean, I just got backfrom the Blue Mountains, have been
there three times and did Ape Canyonstuff, but I haven't been up to
the Blueberry Bog, not once thisyear. Wow. Yeah, they've just

(28:49):
been too busy man, just beentoo busy. It's been crazy. But
hopefully Melissa and I can get outfor at least one or two nights before
the end of the summer, becauseI do. I love camping with Melissa,
Melissa and Sochi likely camping trip,you know. Yeah, we're gonna
do one hare coming up. Justwaiting to see what these fires do,
to make see where we're gonna go, because I hate camping in smoke.
M right, right, you guyscamp on the coast somewhere that offshore that

(29:11):
the breeze coming off the off theocean will push everything in. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, well I'm sureI'll do that. It's getting harder and
harder to find any word to can'tthough. It's just getting so crowded,
like ever since the pandemic, likeplaces that are you wedn't see when there's
people there. Now, well youknow your your trailer. It has become
a celebrity into its own, right, Oh yeah, no, yeah,

(29:34):
yeah, I did. I didthat, Ohio gig a couple of weeks
ago. Oh my god, Ihaven't told you about that either. Or
no, I did tell you aboutthat a little bit. But we got
the official numbers over forty thousand peoplecame. Dude, what I went there?
There was like three hundred. Wellyeah, over forty thousand people came
to this job. Of course it'san outdoor festival and on that jazz,
so they can accommodate it. Butit was just ridiculous. Man. But

(29:56):
a lot of people, several people, not not ones and twos, but
more like five or eight asked aboutyour trailer when they came up to say
hi to me and take pictures orwhatever they're doing. So Boos trailers still
in your garage? Yeah, Ithink about that thing every day. Do
you even? I don't think aboutthat every day. I miss it.

(30:18):
I'm telling you man, Bobo's Airbnbparked at at some campsite. It'll be
occupied most nights. I've been maybeBobo's prime residents here coming up, we'll
see in my outbuilding. No,I'll move it, okay, because I
remember I got a wife to keephappy. I'll put it in your driveway.

(30:40):
I have an introview for Melissa iseven even a far greater introvert than
I am. You know, Iwas gonna say, will it be inverted
parks within your driveway? Cliffs gota steep driveway. I'd have a really
steep driveway. Yeah. We justpush the trailer down the hill. You
can sleep in the river. Yeah. Yeah, people are asking about it,
so gosh, if you ever wantto sell that thing, I think
that one of our listeners would probablywant to buy it. Thinks killer.

(31:03):
I love that thing. Yeah,it's pretty cool. That's a pretty cool
little trailer. It's perfect. Reallyif I needed to get that out,
I mean, my jeep can draga short distances, but I don't think
I would drive on the road withthat. What do you think, Oh,
you totally could, no problem.You can tell that thing about four
cylinder. Yeah, that's that's whatit's That's what it's designed for, is
like for Oh yeah, I've seenI've seen that same kind of trail,
even the one it's two feet biggerthan the same kind of model two three

(31:27):
Feetiggsian that's getting towed by like cheapliberties and stuff like four cylinders. Yeah,
but you live in Humboldt. Doyou also see like cars with palette
stacked eight feet taller than the roofand things like that, like crazy things
humbolt You know, stay tuned formore Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
We'll be right back after these messages. But so this week, but

(31:55):
this episode is going to be we'redealing with things in the news, right,
Yeah, pretty much. We're justshooting the poop and catching up with
some things. It's been a whilebecause you've been out of town. And
how about how is Hawaii? Bythe way, it was cool until those
fires hit. But you weren't.You weren't on Maui, right, No,
I was with guys. I.Yeah, my buddy has a business
over there and they sponsored this EmanconaBruce sponsored this big music festival every year

(32:19):
called the eight to eight Festival.And he lives in California, has a
business in Hawaii, so he hadfree to He has so much airfare and
he he uses his business card andhis through the United Miles like he gets
he had all these bonuses. It'slike, dude, I hate traveling.
I never fly anywhere if I'm notgoing for work. So he just gave
us tickets and then he also hadhotel hotel room, so we got hotel

(32:43):
rooms too. Sweat to do isget a car. Just run a car
like one of those turro you know, forty five dollars a day cars and
we were set. But who youcan't rent a car? And hole you've
been banned for renting cars in Hawaiithough, No, that was the one
place I can rent. They havea couple of they have a couple of
spots in the different islands and theyu they know me so that they rent
to me. Yeah. I can't. I can't rent from like hurts or

(33:06):
you know the other things like that, not like international or national, but
this family owned business one I can. Well that's good. It's gonna have
an escape route from your your corporatepredicament. Yeah, you want to tell
us, Uh, you want totell us why you can't or there's are
legal implications there. It was,well, yeah it was. It was

(33:31):
that judgment on their part to giveme the car. It's their faults.
They're the ones who gave it tome. It's their fault. Yeah,
we get around. It's story.He's going to see some things that will
blow me own classes and am s. He's lying and he's gone a kid,

(33:55):
yow me hi for your one again. It's Bubo story. Any description
of felonious or criminal activity. Itis being told here strictly for entertainment purposes
and is in no way in missionof guilt or even true for that matter.
I was over in quiet this isgot like two thousand and nine,
I think, and my buddy goodBro there, Ronnie Boy, passed away,

(34:17):
and so I had to go overthere for the funeral. And so
I got there and the guy thatrental plays Hurst recognized me, and they
brought over a special car for whenthey were filming the Tropic Thunder over there.
Yea, so it was an reallyfilmed tropic thunder. They got done.
Some of those Hollywood guys like actorsand stuff like, I had them

(34:39):
bringing like pretty sweet cars. Igot this Shelby Cobra Mustang. It was
like all decked out like it wasn'tit was expensive. It was like several
hundred dollars a day. And thenwhen I got was like fifty four dollars
a day. I had a regularconvertible Mustang. And the guys all,
hey, Bubbo, what's up man. I didn't really know the guy,
but I kind of recognized him,like, hey, what's up. He's

(34:59):
like I was just bs who saidI'm here for Ronnie Boys, Like oh
yeah, yeah yeah. Because myfriends were like they're kind of like top
dog at the top of the foodchain, like in the search. You
know, they're you know, likethey're kind of the guys that run the
island. So like they like theyalways want they want to get in good
with those guys, like they figurelike cool with bows and you know,
it gives me pointed to those guyswhatever. So he's all, oh,

(35:20):
you want to Ronnie Boys. Hesaid, yeah, you know what,
I'm staying at Ten's house. Andhe's like, oh man, he goes,
hey, you know what, ifI give you this deal on this
Shelby, you gotta be real carefulwith it. You can't take it off
road or anything. And I waslike, all right, no worries,
no worries. And then sure enoughI got there was you know, like
the thing was fat, had abooming stereo. It was all decked out
as fast as hell, you know, you know at Shelby's our course.

(35:44):
No, I have no idea whatShelby's are now. Carol Shelby was a
car builder and he made like thefamous He made a couple of Shelby vehicles
like he took like stock cars andthen just made him high performance like race
cars basically put race cars inside astock car, looking chat seeing frames and
stuff. So yeah, yeah,I just looked it up on on you
know, the image search or whatever, and it looks almost like an what

(36:05):
are those cars the mgs or somethinglike kind of like that style thing,
but like an English racing car ofsome sort of what it kind of looks
like. But there I see someMustangs too. Is that what you had?
Mustang? Yeah, Mustang? Okay, so it's kind of like a
racing car engine in a really coolshell basically, right, a little like
with some modifications. So but thoseguys like, you know, a little

(36:27):
over there, like so most ofwell, my friends live over the island,
but I'll staying up on North Shore. So those guys like they have
like their time to runs, liketheir fastest drive ever from like the Hue
up to Princeville or you know,Hanale whatever, and like like whatever the
time I was like saying, justfor instance, like oh this this guy's
record is twenty seven minutes forty seconds. This guy's record it's like twenty five
minutes nine seconds, you know.Like So anyways, after the first night

(36:51):
it ended up like three in themorning, guys, because the roads they
do when the roads are empty.So we decided it was a good time
to do, uh, try totheir fastest speed run ever, you know,
like they were using my car,the shelvy. So we were ripping
around. And then the next night, so I started getting kind of loosing
it. Then the next night Tinscousins needed to ride to work there like

(37:13):
the Huli show at the at thePrinceville Resort. Okay, so I had
the top down and it tends outthese guys a ride like all right,
it's like three views that are allbigger than him, Like all our four
hundred pounds get in the back seatand they couldn't fit in the back,
so they sat on where the topgoes in the back, you know,
the where it all folds down behind. Yeah, they were sitting on top

(37:37):
where it folds down. Like justtotally broke it. Just broke it right
then and there. And then sowe drove driving on this dirt road like
they had to go to this backentrance and it was like had tree roots
and stuff and it was dragon startsstarted turning up the bottom of the car
a little bit and digging it upand got some dance on the bottom of
it, like where the body likeis barely you know, off the ground.

(38:00):
There's a big rich sticking up pokinginto it and rocks lava rocks and
stuff. And I wasn't allowed togo out for a road. I was
like, oh man. Then wewent up to the Loom the next Then
yeah, we trought those guys out. They went to looma high and guys
were doing donuts in the parking lot. This you know dirt parking lot's got
like mud holes and stuff. AndI was like, oh I could I'll
check this out. So I spuna few donuts and just cooke that cake

(38:21):
that red dirt clay mud you knowfrom Kawai Kawai red clay dirt. It's
fans four. So that got allover the car and then it just kind
of went downhill from there. Ohthat's when it started going downhill. Yeah,
the best when I brought it back. I came in and you know,
look the because the suspension got allmessed up because we overloaded a few

(38:44):
times. When I was like,you know, we're like there's like all
these parties for Ronnie Boy and stuff, so you know, like, oh,
we're gonna move over this way,so like like eight guys would jump
in my car, like you know, its just all the way down,
and it got pretty it got prettythrashed, like the line, I got
pretty beat up. And then whatreally did it in? Oh that we
locked the keys in the trunk orI did on accident reb and I has

(39:07):
been down to swam the trunk.I dropped my glasses. I grabbed my
glasses, and then I as we'rein a colored pocketed shirt and had the
keys sticking in that. And whenI bent down to grab my glasses,
I bent down kind of fast,and the key slot just as I leaned
back up, I realized as Iwas siment down, the keys just fell
out and I locked the keys inthere, and we had to get out
of there. We were over onthe west side on the the barking standser

(39:30):
with the military beach over there.We had to get off. We had
to get off, and I'm like, oh, we got to get out
of here, and we had tobe back for something that we had to
be back for something important. Sothe top was down, so we ended
up just kind of the one dudejust was We're trying to get into thro
the back seat area like trying tofold down that seat seat that word,
he ended up just tearing the backseat, like just physically ripped it out,

(39:52):
like the back rest. So thenit was like, shit, it's
already torn up, and as we'llget it all the way up so we
can get the keys out. Sowe got the key. He's actually that.
So then I had a top dayto go off as blah blah blah.
I was covering dirt. There aresome other little things happened to it
here and there, like some dingsand scratches or whatever. And then when

(40:12):
I was bringing it back, Iwas toilet. I took it to the
car washed. I was like,oh man, I started to realize,
like how dirty it was. Imean it was filthy. I was like
things that things thrashed. And soI went to go wash it off and
wasn't coming off right, like itwas all over the place. And I
came and I was waiting for myflight. I was like, oh damn.
So it was like an early morningflight. I came ripping back in
and I pulled in pretty fast,and you think those those backup spike strips,

(40:36):
like those meddling sis wanted to notenter. I went the right way.
I wasn't going against it, butthe car was so bottomed out that
when I hit it, I wasgoing kind of fast. It just tore
off the oil pan and just trapped. Like the car just basically broke it.
I just broke it, like Ithink I cracked the frame was already
the frame was cracked from those guysribbing it and stuff when I came in

(40:58):
and just did a huge, bigthis huge was and that dude that was
rented to me that I promise Iwouldn't take it off road was sitting there
just eyes huge popping out of hishead. I can running like pulling up.
This just beat the hell car andlike it's all this fluids pouring out
of it, like I just torchedthem off the bottom, like did something
to the back rou differential for sure, Like that hitting ground made some noise

(41:22):
and like tires rough was all pullingsideway like it was due and I just
chipped out, go sorry man,and just ran off catch my flight.
And they gave me some huge billlike it's like twenty something ground or something.
But I had insurance that you boughtthe extra insurance or you just had

(41:42):
it. Yeah, I bought allthe insurance. I bought all the extra
insurance to do it. Seems likethat's a good idea no matter what you
buy. But everyone turned me downwhen I try to claim it. Oh
go figure, Yeah you broke thecar. Well yeah, I think you're
right. It sounds like it's thatguy's fault for running it to you.
That's what that's that's what the companytold him when he got in trouble.

(42:04):
Well, so that's why you're notallowed to rent any more cars in Hawaii,
anywhere anywhere. It's global, globalanyway, anyway, that's part of
that system, like they all theyall share information like who's banned, who's
not. Well, that's pretty great. That's why I only rent a car
problem though. Really, I meanevery other car has never been a problem.
Well except for one other time inHawaii. Yeah, okay, I
take that back. There's a timewe took took a geo metrout through like

(42:28):
this, uh BM, like amotocross track course through the Kane Fields,
Old Kane Fields. God, somejumps and stuff, and I was roosting
that thing out there and took itoff some jumps and stuff, and that
then got a little beat up.Those are great cars. So I owned
one of those for years. Yeah, it was awesome. I had it
for like three weeks. I wantedto buy it when I got back.

(42:49):
Yeah. I don't know why theydon't make stuff like that anymore, because
mine was a I forget what yearwas, but that was the second car
I ever owned, So I wasjust a kid at the time, you
know. But the first car wasa Chevy Sprint, and then the second
one was a Geometro, which isbasically the same thing, but just you
know, fancified a little bit.But we got forty five miles a gallon
in that in the city. Itwas outstand. I love that car.

(43:14):
We would take it to the mountainsand stuff. We wouldn't go off road
and or anything, of course,but they're pretty good off road. Yeah,
but you did you did? Youknow? Not it's like a BMX
bike, but different three cylinder BMXbike with six inches or four inches of
clearance or something. Yeah. Well, you're telling this story the only rental

(43:36):
car fiasco, or not even afiasco that I've ever really had to deal
with. Besides, you had justnormal sort of things or you know,
the car's not here, Okay,it was was flying to LA for pickup
shots when we're filming Finding big Footfor some reason. And I got in
a day early or something. Thisis when my parents were still alive,
you know. My dad checked outin twenty fifteen. My mom I a
couple of years later, and Ithink seventeen, so this must have been

(43:59):
like fourteen or something. Twenty fourteen. I went down there. The show
was in full swing, real popular. I went down and it's gonna go
pick up my rental car, andthen I was going to drive from Lax
to my parents' house in Long Beachand spend the evening with them and visit
and stuff before I go up tothe North Hollywood or wherever we were to
stay, you know, for pickupshots. So I go into the rental
place and I always get the cheapestrental car. I don't care, you

(44:21):
know. I go in there andit's to the rental place, and then
I goes, Oh, your Clifffrom Finding big footage, Yeah whatever,
it's Oh man, that's great,I'm gonna upgrade you because we can or
whatever. Oh, and he gaveme some. It was a cherry red
convertible Corvette. Do you remember that? Do you like gonna it was or
maybe it was a Camaro. Itmight have been a camaro. Yeah,

(44:42):
I don't think it was. Ithink it was a camaro. Yeah.
And then I said, all right, sure, and I just felt so
awkward in it, you know,and I say, well, okay,
well I feel kind of weird.I feel kind of awkward, and it's
like, this isn't me, thisisn't cliff Man, this isn't I'm not
that guy, you know. ButI took it anyway, and I say,
well, I'm gonna go fast alittle bit because it's the it's Los

(45:04):
Angeles, and you know, ifyou're not doing seventy five or eighty,
you're holding traffic up. So I'mgonna go fast in it. And it
was bumper to bumper, crawling trafficthe entire way to my parents house,
and I never got to open itup, not once, not once.
And on the way back home whenI left, it's like, you know,
nine or ten o'clock at night tohead back up. I got to
I got to do it a littlebit. But even though it was traffic

(45:24):
then, so I couldn't go likeeighty or ninety or something, I could.
I kind of max it out tolike seventy and I'm thinking, man,
I got this car and I can'teven do anything fun with it,
and and and everyone's looking at me, thinking like, what's that dork doing?
Look at that Look at that guyin that cherry red convertible. That
guy, he's a total fry.He's out gee traver. He's trying a

(45:45):
convertible red Camaro in La traffic.He's not an outdoors guy. Guy was
on that car. Look fake,Remember Star. Stay tuned for more big
Foot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages.

(46:08):
Did you catch that article about anew crayfish species? Yeah? Where
was it? Where was it discovered? Like in a pet store? Basically,
Like basically these guys in uh inEastern Europe somewhere started buying some ornamental
crayfish, you know, like fromlike online places, you know, like
this is and they commonly called likea blue crayfish or something like that.

(46:30):
You know, like you've seen thesethings in pet stores. And I like,
I liked aquarium, so I havean aquarium. I've had an aquarium
since I was probably sixteen. Veryfew periods of my life did I have
did I not have it set upeven now I have fish upstairs. I
just love fish of all sorts.Blue steel or steel blue crayfish, I
guess is that one of those Zoolanderthings. Yeah, but yeah, steel

(46:53):
blue crayfish. Despite these two inchlong crayfish that are kind of ornamental,
they're really pretty. They're kind ofgray with blue extremities and legs and pinchers
and stuff. That's really cool.They're really neat little animals. And apparently
some of them are actually a newspecies that the undocumented species that you can
buy and you know, in likepet mart or something like that. And

(47:17):
I thought this was an interesting articlejust for that one reason alone. It's
like they say, yeah, butpeople know about these things, but there
are new species because of subtleties intheir DNA. And when I say subtleties,
not that subtle in a lot ofways. The article says that these
species differ from other freshwater crayfish betweenmaybe six and fourteen percent. Fourteen percent

(47:44):
is not a subtle difference in DNA, but six percent might be, you
know. But yeah, apparently theseare native to Indonesia. And then like
this one like hot vent in Hungarywhere somebody probably let these things go,
which is probably a good idea tolet non native species go in your environment.
What's ever gone wrong with that?Oh, I don't know. I

(48:06):
don't know look around. But Ithought this was kind of a cool article
because it shows that new species areliterally under our nose. And I think
that's the case of sasquatches too.A lot of times he said, these
things are literally under our nose andjust nobody bothers looking, or nobody looks
at it the right way. Andyou know, big sure like property owners
that have sasquatches around and the weirdthings happen, but they don't know what

(48:28):
to attribute it to, or weirdnoises that happen outside because bigfoots aren't real,
so that wouldn't be on the topof their list according to them.
But it turns out bigfoots actually arereal. These these other unknown species are
right under our nose sometimes and insome cases, like these crayfish being kept
as pets. That's that's the funniestpart, as like they're in pet stores,
that's what. So who is Ihaven't read up on that part about

(48:51):
it, like, but the firstlike you know, Raine biologists said,
you know, I'm going to lookinto this. You like this because he
sees him on his kids tank orsomething. You know, you're thinking,
like it's got to be known.Yeah, and then the collection a lot
of a lot of these animals inthe pet trade, you know, the
aquarium pet trade, are collected inthe wild. They're not bread and big
tanks. I mean some of themare, of course, but a lot

(49:12):
of them, especially the saltwater things, are collected in the wild, oftentimes
through kind of immoral situations like drugginga coral root reef for example. You
know that sort of thing is itprobably isn't cool, you know. So
the pet trade offers wild animals forpets basically, and they're small and they're
fish and their crayfish and things likethat, so people don't feel too bad

(49:35):
about it. But I think that'san interesting opportunity for biologists and to find
the species like this, and that'swhat this article is all about. It's
pretty cool. Yeah, He's justimagine like the guy like getting results like,
oh my god, this thing isnew. It's new. Yep.
There's another publishing opportunity because you know, publisher pairs sort of thing. Now,

(49:55):
there was another article that was inour pile for things to look over.
I like the title, but Icouldn't read the article because I don't
have a subscription to Nature. Iknow they want like five bucks an article
too, do they? Or youget a mouth for thirty bush? I
don't know. I can probably findthis somewhere else, I just haven't done
it. He has his oldest geneticdata from a human relative found in two

(50:17):
million year old teeth, and itsays ancient protein sequences identify the sex of
paranthropists Robustis fossils and hint at evolutionaryrelationships. Now I didn't read the article
because I don't have access to thearticle, but even that byline there,
even that subtitle, gives us someinteresting interesting things to talk about because it

(50:40):
doesn't say DNAs his ancient protein sequences, which is the proteonic study. I
think that the same sort of technologythat they apply to Gigantopithecus Blackie to discover
that it was squarely in line betweenchief Epithecus and orangutans. So they're doing
something similar as sounds like to evenolder teeth of paranthropist bust Us, which

(51:00):
is one of the several paranthropists species, and of course Paranthropists is a genus
of austrell Epitheesnes, you know,and they're kind of two forms of austrell
Epithecenes, some more thinner grass styleform, which we think one of those
species eventually lead to us if we'dgo back far enough. And then there's
this other branch of austrell Epithecenes thatwere so different in so many ways that

(51:24):
they gave them their own genus nameparanthropists. And these things were basically sasquatches,
but smaller, you know, betweenthree and a half four feet tall
and maybe five and a half feettall. These are basically sasquatches. That's
how you can think about them upright, bipedal hair covered, human shape things

(51:45):
with huge chewing apparatus basically their theirteeth. Their chewing surface area of the
teeth is like eight times out ofa human. Big big molars, huge
jaw muscles. They had sagital restsand zygomatic arches for their chewing muscles to
anchor on. In my book,sasquatches are probably these things. I don't

(52:07):
go for the giganto thing. Aswe've spoken about many times, this is
possible. It's a possibility, don'tget me wrong. Oh, definitely possibility.
Yeah, definitely a possibility. ButI think that paranthropist is an equally
valid possibility because you can see thesestructures in the Patterson Gilman film. You
can see her zygomatic arches, youcan see her stitutal crest, you can
see the huge jaw. Patty inthe Patterson Gilman film was made for chewing.

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That's what she's made for, chewingand eating fibers foods, whether it's
the barrel shaped body or the cranialstructures, everything about her shrieks. I
chew heavy stuff. I think it'san interesting idea adding this proteonic study,
this protein sequences to the paranthropist thing, and to extend it and to present

(52:52):
a sasquatch research. From my understanding, hair is pretty much mostly protein.
If we get good hair amples,couldn't we do something similar to this?
And I don't know, that's justa question. It's not what Darby's doing,
right, isn't that what they're doingNorth Carolina State? No, No,
they're not doing that. They're notdoing protein sequences. They're doing DNA
stuff. So it's a different technology. But I'm thinking, well, why

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don't we apply this other technology tohairs that we get and see where these
things are. If they can figureout some sort of taxonomic relationships, it's
easier to do that. Protein isvery much easier. Yeah, if hair
is mostly protein, as I thinkit is, I think we can do
this. But I don't know.I'm just a guy. I'm sure there's

(53:35):
lots of people listening who are alot smarter than me. If you know
about this technology, right into Bigfootand Beyond podcast at gmail dot com and
let us know what you think orwhat you know about it, or what
you think you know about it forsure. Yeah, because this, I
think this is fairly new technology.I've only even started reading about it in
the last year or two. Butyou know, I don't read about everything
that exists, obviously, but itseems like this would have crossed my desk

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at some time in the last tenor twenty years. I think. I
mean, it is just basically likehigh percentage of approaching I'm pretty sure.
Yeah, So let's do this onsomething living today and find out something oh
ninety one percent. Yeah, seethat seems like this might be able to
be done with hair, and wehave we think we have some hair samples
from sasquatches, So definitely I thinkthat's true. I wish I could read

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the rest of the article. Igotta look around for this. But because
I'm sure like paranthropists, those homedansdidn't or homedans didn't use a prol shampoo
was reprotein their hair, it wouldhave stayed. We would have a lot
more to work with. Yeah,well, I don't. I don't think
they use shampoo at all. Ithink they might use real pooh, not
that sham stuff. That's a that'sa joke I sold for the Muppet Show

(54:45):
years ago. By the way,started self a joke himself, or stole
it from the Muppets. That's afine line. It's a fine line.
Yeah, but the quality of myjokes being mostly dad jokes. I kind
of wonder if I do have anychildren out there. I got my ancestry
testing. I got update, sothey're analyzing it right now. What you're
doing the twenty three and me thingor something? Or what are you doing

(55:05):
ancestor dot com? Oh? Really, do you send us some DNA samples?
Yeah? We know they're they're usingthose to solve crimes. Now.
I know that's why It held meup for a long time, and I
thought the dies, Well, youknow, you've fallen into some sticky situations
in your life, but I thinkthat's pretty safety. Say, you haven't
murdered anybody, so I think you'reprobably The other thing that was interesting that
popped up in the last couple ofweeks was that Heidelbergensis footprints they found the

(55:29):
new footprints. Oh yeah, yeah, I saw that. Yeah, three
hundred thousand year old footprints. That'spretty cool. They pushed back the soon
timeline by almost one hundred thousand years, right, Well, these were a
Homo heidelberg densis and they were tosee. The thing is I don't think
that we had a lot of heidelbergInst's footprints, and any footprints that are

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found are of interest obviously. Well, the researchers said it came an incident
into the how the families operated.It was like there was three footsteps.
Like they're saying, they got moreintent family lives and culture. So the
various tracks that scone engine offers asnapshot of a family's daily life, maybe
provide information about the behavior and socialcomposition of hominin groups, as well as

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spatial interactions and coexistence with elephant herdsand other small mammals, so as the
earliest known elephants and and rhinos Ifound up there. Well, that's the
thing about footprints, and I'm gladthat they're applying this idea of tracking essentially
two fossilized footprints as well, becauseif we want to know anything about sasquatches
or most most mammals, honestly mostmammals, you have to study their footprints.

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You have to because observations of theanimals themselves, and whether it's sasquatches
or you know, wolverines or whatever, you don't see the animals very much.
They're just not easily seen. Nomammal is easily seen, you know,
compared to how many there are outthere. The way that most wildlife
biologists learn about behaviors and all thatjazz from these animals is by tracking them.

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And every tack We'll tell you thattrack line tells a story. Oh
yeah, yeah, it's the mostimportant. I think it's the most important
data we can gather about sasquatches atthis point outside of a body. If
we're going to learn about the speciesand what they do and what they need
and where they go and how theylive and their social structures. That's all
in the footprints. So if anybody, anybody ever tells you that footprints are

(57:21):
not important, or what's another footprintgoing to teach us, do not listen.
They are there, They are themselvesmislead. I think it's very important
to study these things, just likewe would study any other mammal form,
any other mammal form. Oh yeah, because you follow their tracks, and
that's when you find their scat.You can find hair, I mean all
kinds of stuff. Yeah, foragingsites. You can see if there's different

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sizes of tracks, which gives somesort of insight into social structures. And
that's what we have here at theHomo hyder bring aainst the site. There's
only three tracks, only three tracks, and then looking at the context,
it tells us a little bit abouthow they lived. Just by these three
tracks and the presence of rhino tracksand elephant tracks and other sort of tracks

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in the same substrate. We knowthat these homes that there were more than
one homohydbergensis here, so that suggestssome sort of family unit of some sort.
They went down to the muddy riveror lake or stream bank at the
time just like all these other animalsdid. It tells us the animals that
were in their environment, and theyprobably use those animals for things if they
could get them. You know,were they killing elephants maybe, were they

(58:30):
killing rhinos maybe, So it tellsus a little bit about the environment.
And also the presence of these otheranimals suggests like the plant life that was
there. Just these tracks being inthe same strata that the same more or
less the same time and place tellsus about the lifestyle of Homo heidelbergensis and

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the other animals that were there.And of course all the animals that were
in the environment were dependent upon oneanother for various things, maybe food items.
Maybe it's elephants mixed up the groundand made other main opportunity for their
plant life to come up and fortheir seeds to sprout, and so they're
they're you know, the the webof life, the interdependence of life is
what we're looking at here. Thesefootprints, despite there being only three from

(59:14):
two different individuals, tell us somethingabout that species, and that is an
important lesson because that's what we needto do for sasquatches. You know,
this past February I cast three footprintsat one of our locations of two different
individuals. Well, gosh, thishas three different tracks, and you learn
all this stuff about home on Hyderbergensisin this newspaper article. I found three

(59:37):
tracks in February of a sas orof two sasquatches. It's kind of teaching
me a little bit about the localbig foots as well. Footprints tell us
story and every track way should bewell documented, cast if possible, and
then see what you can learn fromthat situation. We'll see oldest non hominans
in Europe. Yeah, probably howto bring inss No, no, no,
no, Well, I don't knowthat's a good question. Hyderbergensis be

(01:00:00):
my guess on that one. ButHomorectus is an older form, and it
was the holotype was discovered in Javadown in Indonesia, so it may have
wandered. Well, I probably wanderedsoutheast, you know. So I don't
know that's a good question. ButI would guess Heidelbergensis, That's what I
thought. I wasn't sure. Yeah, And there's also these other forms like

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rudolph Insis and all these sort ofthings that are very closely related to these
other ones. But Isaac Taine andI were talking about this this past week
over out of the Mountains that speciesare kind of a made up thing,
you know, they're kind of they'rekind of made up, and we draw
these strict lines between the species.But that's not the way evolution happens.
Evolution happens very gradually. So whatwe when we look at a skull or

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something like that and say, oh, this is a Neanderthal or Heidelbergensis or
something, there's a lot of intermediateforms that are not showing here and where
on that gradient are they. Soto be strict about a species is kind
of tough in some ways because speciesare kind of made up. We're just
basically slapping a term, a definition, a word on a reality. Well

(01:01:09):
I just run it up. Itsaid they're only this hoween one point two
and one point one million years ago? And did they say the species Homo?
How do you say that one Homoancessor. Yeah, that's how I'd
say at Homo ancessor. That's that'sthe common ancestor between humans and Neanderthals.
So that makes sense, That makessense. Yeah, So that solve that

(01:01:30):
mystery. Only a handful more mysteriesto go we were doing pretty good.
Man, you want to shut thisepisode down, we can go talk to
the members for a while. Ithink the listeners have suffered enough now we
can move on. Well. Theykeep coming back for more, and we
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