Ep. 225 - Q&A - August, 2023

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Barrickman and James Bobo Fay. Goodevening, Bobo, Good evening, Cliff.
How are you today? Good?How are you all right? Little
tired, a little beaten down today, but I'm generally okay. I can
certainly push through a podcast, thatis for sure. It's good to talk
to you as always. What's beengoing on in your environments? Anything unusual,

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well, clearly unusual, anything wildlyunusual? Just oh, we got
y Kyote's back out on the peninsulafor the first time in like twenty years
out here on the spin. Yeah, I just figured they'd be there all
the time now we haven't had themforever. What drove them off the people
and they got shot, okay,so the people, Yeah, they kind
of exterminated them. Yeah, there'sa pack of four back out here.

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So that's caused a lot of costernation now because Junie won't come in at
night. He's like an outdoor catand so cured has been pretty pretty worried
out there the spotlight looking around thebaseball bad and a spotlight. They don't
come around to our house. Nice. Nice. So she's out hunting with
a club. Yeah, you havea cool woman, man, she's rat.

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She's an angel. Yeah, anangel with the club. Yeah,
they'll loon them bad outside of like, you're not gonna get closer to hit
a karsh because if I get ifif I get close enough, I will
she could throw it. Yeah,it'd be badass, man. It'd be
like a like one of the likethe throwing clubs that we saw in Australia.
Yeah, boondi stick, you haveone, give it to her,

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no way, that's why it wasprized possession. Oh yeah, fair enough.
I don't even really use that thing. You gotta go hunting with it.
I have not killed any wallabies orkangaroos with it, no, no
EMUs no, but I watched itkilled two wallabies and a couple go onas
Wow, they're pretty efficient. There'sa picture to be holding up for the

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last episode. Put it on therefor the picture of the podcast, Like
the little picture in the posting.It was the picture of me and I
also holding that booty stick and aboomerang with a boomerang. I remember money
Maker was like, you know,he'd go back to look first thing.
We'd all keep our stuff in theback of the suburban order like the whatever
it is set or the cast waswriting in. Money Maker was pretty famous

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for like just throwing your stuff outof the way, like if it wasn't
his, it just didn't matter.And that was like he was like fully
like on one of those things wherehe was like focused one hundred percent of
something else, like just taking throughhis stuff, and I was like,
watch out for my stuff, Matt, And I guess he'd at that one.
I didn't notice what he'd thrown theboomerang out during that time, because
later that night I couldn't find it. You should check in the back of

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the car where he got up from, because boomerangs return. That's so funny,
Yeah, except that when he threwit hit me on the beach.
Yeah, that one returned and tookyour ankle out for the next six months,
a year, two years, no, two and a half years,
and gnarly infection like a flash eatingstuff in there, and well, I

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mean it was just a little nickbut then getting in the we're going into
the jungles and stuff. I gotsome weird stuff and it got pretty infected.
They sing, I had some flasheating bacteria in there. Of course,
laying on your side while you sleptmade it spread to the other leg,
if I remember correctly. Yeah,keeping it classy. You went back
on the road of the scene,Cleve. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I'm only home for a couple ofdays. One of my employees is out.
He's out in Tennessee right now,so he's visiting family, taking care
of stuff. So I'm covering forhim this week. Friday, I drive
out to Idaho. I'm doing thatevent out there with doctor Meldrum and Freeman
and those guys all that jazz.So out there for the weekend, I'm
going to try to see an oldfriend of mine, guy I used to

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work at the fishing tackle store wherehe lives out there now. So I'm
going to try to see that gentleman. If my schedule allows. Come back
on Sunday, and if everything goesright, I'll have a day off,
which will be cool, and thenI work the rest of the week,
you know, until until the employeecomes back. But yeah, other than
that, I think at that point, I've got a week I think,

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I think two weeks down, I'mgoing to try to go camping, because
I mean, this summer has beenso bananas for me. I just have
not been out in the woods hardlyat all. I've done a few daytime
walks and a couple of dusk things. I mean, mind you, I
mean I wasn't I went to ApeCanyon. I've been to the Blues three
times this year now. I havebeen out in the woods. It's just

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not camping with my wife, whichis kind of how I prefer to go.
Me and Melissa and you know,and so Cheat the dog haven't been
out. So hopefully we'll get outfor a night or two, and then
after that, a little while afterthat, I get to take a real
vacation like and to me, likea real vacation is oddly enough, no
bigfoot stuff. I'll be going fishingin Mexico for a few days, so
I'm looking forward to that. Stilla few weeks ahead, Still a few

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weeks ahead, you know. Sowho knows when this episode will come out,
because we don't really record them inorder necessarily, or even the week
that they are published, So thiscould be two or three weeks from now.
It could be this coming week.We don't really know. Only only
the divine influence of Matt Pruitt knowsthat one our special guests we got coming
up in a couple of days,he just got a great auto recording.

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I guess that's pretty Uh. They'vefreaked him out and they heard it and
then I won't say who it is, but they got some auto that Dave
Ellis is very excited about, andwe're going to hear it later this week.
He's going to come on the airand we're ready to hear it.
Yeah, we're gonna do another recordingsession in a few more days to try
to get a little ahead of thegame. But between you being out of

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town and me being out of townfilm and that stuff for Allegedmate Science too,
we've on a fallen behind, whichmeans that we're on schedule because we
were ahead for a while. Man, it felt really good. I mean,
I love being ahead, just twoor three weeks ahead on the podcast.
You can relax, get it donewhen you need to. But man,
getting up against the wall like thatstresses me out. I don't like
it. Yeah here, Well,I guess we're going to go through the

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emails today and voice messages and seewhat the people want to hear us.
Yeah, Yameron about Yeah, yeah, this is my favorite kind of episode
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Frankly this is my favorite one todo anyway, So I'm looking forward to
this and it looks like this weekwe only have one voicemail though, so
want only one voicemail, so let'sgo ahead and listen to that and we
can jump into whatever we think.The answer to this thing might be.
Hey, Cliff, Bobo, DaveGauge here from Covinton, Louisiana. Pretty
sure Cliff will remember me, butBobo, I'm not sure. So think

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back to September twenty eighteen cliffs lastexpedition amount hood. I believe I was
the only quote unquote outdoorsman driving ablack Camaro with mods, probably the only
one up there driving something not recommendedfrom Mountain Travel. Hopefully Bobo, that
jogs you remember. Now, thisis leading my question. As you were
breaking on your campsite, Mint andI were there and you told an awesome

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story. I'll keep the details tomyself. It's divulging anything as your call.
So the campsite story other stories inthe podcast remind me to ask my
question here. I'm thinking Cliff hassome sort of top fifteen, top ten
lists of Bobo stories, you know, the really really good ones we haven't
heard yet. Now understand if someof those stories can't be told, protect
the innocent statute of limitations. Justjust joking, but surely you must have

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some absolute killer stories to share.That's it for now, keep up what
y'all do. Fantastic high to Mattas well. Thanks, and that's all.
Yeah, Dave Gage, of course, Yeah, he's a friend.
He's more than an expedition er.He's a friend, kept in contact after
all this time. And you rememberthe Camaro, Like the only dude out

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there in a Camaro. Yeah,that'sh man. Yeah, I did a
lot of driving. He drove allthe way up. Wasn't the best off
road vehicle, but that's what youget for driving a Camaro. At least
he did it in style. That'spretty cool. Yeah. So he brought
up a couple of things I thinkare worth worthy of blabbing about for a
second. First Minty. First ofall, Scott mint On, good good
friend. He was the expeditioner thathelped us out. He started me off

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on the museum track really well,helped me set up a lot of the
retail side of things, and he'sa good friend. First employee, yeah,
first employee. He also he wenton to other things. He's he's
a designer. He's a graphic designerby trade. But he rented this.
This is kind of a side thingjust in case. Next time you're in
town, Bops, we're gonna gotalk to him and Sandy Downtown Sandy there,

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you know the one way stretches there. He opened a record shop,
a vinyl record shop, and it'sthe coolest one that I've seen. I
mean, it's it's not like AmibaRecords or something like that. It's not
some giant thing. He basically hadan office in which he would do his
graphic arts stuff, and he startedselling records out of it because why not.
He has such a good record collection, and it's it's like fantastic taste,

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really quirky stuff, really unusual stuff, and really rad stuff. He
injected a heck of a lot ofculture into Sandy all of a sudden,
it was. It was it's aneat little addition. So it's kind of
neat to drop by and see Mintyevery once in a while. On that
one. But as far as thestories, gobobs, do you remember what
he was do you remember any ofthese stories he was talking about. I
have no idea, Yeah, becauseif I if there's a top fifteen stories

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about you know from Bobo that Iremember, a lot of those just can't
be told in public. I know. Yeah, I mean, both your
parents are still alive. A lotof the people are probably still alive.
I'm alive. You're alive. Thereyou go, exactly, good point,
good point. Yeah, And whenyou're dead, I'll just make up stuff,
assuming assuming you go first. Tobe fair though, because there's no

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talent. That was five years ago, like talk, packing up and talking.
Oh man, I don't I don'tremember that at all. Imber those
guys shooting guns is like all daynext to us. Oh yeah, yeah,
well yeah that it is the NationalForestcepterral. Well you know, babe,
babe, that is called you,babe. I try it's something a
long day now my mind view hunting. I don't usually make that mistake.

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I'm a freud. So oh yeah, I'm got to say Bobs, but
I sinking Dave at the same time. So anyway, hey baby, you're
looking pretty good baby on the radio. But you know, Bobs, maybe
a good thing to do would betoo instead of giving us, I think
of some stories that you just knowyou can never tell, you know,

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because because the witnesses are still aliveor whatever issues, And you know what,
maybe give us a couple of keywordsfrom each story that might entice us
and entice our imagination to get rollingin that direction. Here, I'll start,
I'll start, okay, because thisis what I say. Won't won't
affect anything, and listeners won't know, but you might. Here here's an

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idea. Mister fantastic. Oh,I'm not telling exactly that's my pauw Oh
fantastic? Is it fantastic? DidI get that wrong? Yeah, it's
fantastic. Yeah, Mr Fantastic.You can't tell that story obviously, but
you get the ideas. It's ahint in the right direction of something that
perhaps should never be told. Tellus about something else that should never be

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told? Uh HMP, HMP.Yeah, Well, I think a lot
of start a lot of stories startwith that one, because I know what
HMP stands for. HMP, ofcourse stands for a heavy metal pat As
our listeners know, most of Bobo'sfriends have some sort of first name or

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adjective associated with it. You know, with that with that person, whether
it's heavy Metal Pat or Big DumbJosh or Bigger Dumber Josh. That's a
good one, Jesse legend. There'sall these people, these all these casts
of characters, these muppets, that'saround Bobo emails from tight Eye Steve,
Ted Eye Steve. Yeah I sawthat. Yeah, that text came through.

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Hey, tight Eye Steve. Idon't know if I've met you yet,
but you fit right in with thewith the with the other weirdos circle
in the Bobo hive. But yeah, hmp, man, I imagine a
tremendous number of stories that should neverbe told to start with that one,
and I can think of a handfulof them right now. Yeah, hmp.
And bad abilities start off a lotof stories that those are the ones

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that can't over the air. Ofcourse, I've never ever said this you,
and there's a there's a big partof me that just does not mean
it. But I can't wait tillyou're dead. Stories feel free when I'm
dead. Yeah, But of courseI want you to live a long,
healthy, happy life. Don't getme wrong, but I guarantee you I'll

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tell a couple of these stories thatwhen you're dead which is a good reason
to kill me first. By theway, Bob's he's got to send in
some more some more hints about thestory. Yeah, Dave, gauge out
there yet. We need a couplemore hints because I guess, uh,
maybe our ram isn't good enough.We just don't have a big enough ram

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that we remember these things, oror there's it's just gets lost in the
lost in the sticks. You know, there's too many stories. Which one
is this one is a question.But it was good to hear your voice,
Dave. Thanks for listening. Staytuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with
Cliff and Bobo. We'll be rightback after these messages. Well, yeah,

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sor our next email us from KevinW. Bobo. With so many
of your friends having earned colorful nicknames, what is Cliff's nickname? Well,
how timely? We're just talking aboutthat just moments ago. Yeah, it's
just been Cliff. No, Ican think of one. I can think
of one that you called me quitea little and yeah, cliff Bert though,

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Cliffbert though, which is what youknow? You start to call me
that a long time before you Ithink you even knew I had a brother
named Robert named Rob Robert though,you know, so you kind of combined
my brother and I without having known. It's just part of the magic of
Bobo. You just did that automatically. That really like a descriptor, like
short Cliff or cool Cliff, smartguy, smart Cliff, Yeah, smartass

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Cliff. Yeah. But cliff Bertthough, I guess which is all.
That's one that I think you've beencalling me, probably the longest. Yeah,
that's an honor if you're being ableto speak Spanish. Well, yeah,
I'm not one of the Humboldt folks, you know, so I don't
have that double nickname thing going on, like amazingly creative Cliff. Yeah,

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we'll stick. Don't know, theydon't really roll off the tongue. Perhaps
that's that's the problem. Did youhave any nicknames growing up, like in
high school and stuff like that.It's grade school, not really, not
really at all. Actually, justit's always been kind of Cliff, you
know, occasionally a Clifford soft rockCliff, soft rock Cliff. Right.

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Well, here's here's another question.This one's from John Lawhead. Hey,
guys, please help. I knowwe have a big collection from multiple sources
of footprint casts from the Rockies tothe Pacific and up through Alaska and Canada.
What about east of the Rockies?Is there a similar history of cast
tracks from the east Or does thelate mister Burne have a good point about

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eastern Bigfoot? Oh? No,the late mister Burne was completely incorrect,
totally. He told Katley Strain atthe end of the I guess two years
or said, once she talked tohim. He said, now that I've
talked to you and Robert, youknow, her husband, Bob Strain,
I have to say I changed myposition. I believe that there could be
sasquatch east of the Mississippi or theRockies. Oh well, good, I'm

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glad he came around finally, becausehis when he wrote that the addendum to
his book when he republished it,it was so disappointing to read his his
his claims on there. I thoughtthat was just like, really and then
I'll vocalize, Yeah, they don'tvocalize it. But he likes the serious
so I don't know. It kindof contradicted itself and then like to say
there were no Sasquatches. He's theRockies. So really really, so all

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that John Green stuff that was gatheredin the seventies. Were you unaware of
it or you just didn't believe it? Of course, we know that John
Green and Peter Burn like butted headsand it didn't like each other very much,
and they're talking crap to the daythey died, probably about each other
to some degree. You know.I wasn't there, of course for either
of their desks, but I'm assumingthat I don't think there was in that
relationship. Yeah, I don't thinkany healing was going on in that relationship.

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You know. I was talking toMichael Freeman a couple of days ago,
and I guess the he was doinga job out that's always doing Scott
Violette's job out in Baker City orsomething, some Blue Mountain big foot thing,
and one of the speakers there toldMichael Freeman that he had been to
the Blues with Peter or something likeforty times. I say, well,

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that's an odd behavior for someone whodoesn't think there's any big foots in the
Blues, because that's another thing thatPeter wroteen is book, is that there's
no big foots at all in theBlue Mountains. Well, why would you
keep going back? I didn't understandthat part. You know, I mean
Peter was a you know, aniconic researcher, shall we say, an
iconic researcher. He got a lotof funding from a lot of people.
He was one of the earliest folksliving in caves and nepaul and stuff looking

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for the yetty, he's certainly earnedhis mark in all the bigfoot history thing.
But he was completely wrong about Sasquatchesnot being anywhere east of the Rockies.
Because look at Tom Shay's collection.Tom Shay has many, many,
many, many many footprints. Lookat the stuff from Florida. I've personally
cast footprints in Georgia and Kentucky.There's good evidence from Tennessee. There's good

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stuff from Indiana that I've seen,excellent stuff from Indiana, Ohio, Ohio.
Like, how can one ignore allthis stuff? And one has to
assume and at least one, I, I should say, have to assume.
It's because perhaps he just wasn't presentedwith the evidence, he didn't have
first hand experience with the evidence.Because he was also saying not that long

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ago, mister Burne, of course, that he thought that the last credible
siding of any big foot was intwo thousand and six, and then he
talked his loggers out. I guessthere was a siding in the Salmon Huckleberry.
No, that's not right. That'sa wilderness area in the Mountain Hood.
What was oh, the Salmonberry Ialways get those mixed up on the
Salmonberry River A handful of years ago. What is it twenty twenty three?

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Right now, I'm guessing this isprobably about twenty eighteen or something like that.
And give it to take a yearmultiple witness sighting of a sasquatch by
loggers and on the Salmonberry River orthereabouts in that general area. A lot
of stuff comes out of there,though, so it's no surprise really.
But I guess he was. Hegot to the scene and he interviewed some
people supposedly at like yeah, yeah, exactly, And I was trying to

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find out where it was, youknow, because that's a golden opportunity for
some footprints and follow up. ButI guess he got a chance to Maybe
he went out there, maybe justtalked to him on the phone. I
don't really know. I think hewent there, I don't I have no
idea. I don't know. Butone of the loggers said that a couple
of people came out and looked around, and there were footprints in the ground
and nobody bothered casting them. Hesaid they were beautiful footprints, and he
said, oh, there's pictures,and I got them somewhere on one of

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my phones. All of a sudden, I never saw them. So I
don't know. Maybe the guy wasjust incorrect or lying or misremembering, who
knows, But yeah, apparently bigfootresearchers went to the spot, saw beautiful
footprints in the ground and didn't bothercasting them. Oh that chaps my hide
bubs me too, I got.I got. I got a pretty big
argument with Peter. Actually, Ithought, I said, he's like big

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footst vocalize and I was like,dude, show show me a primate that
doesn't just blabbers. I mean,primates all vocalize. It's like, I
think all mammals vocalize. It musthave something to do with just his own
personal interaction with the evidence. Itjust must. Maybe he doesn't really it
doesn't believe other people. I don'tknow what it was, but clearly mister

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Byrne, in all due respect,was just incorrect about sasquatches not being anywhere
east of the Rockies. So itis what it is. It is what
it is. But now he's dead, Now he knows whatever the truth is.
I'm assuming he's he's in on thesecret now, so good for him.
Something we can all look forward to. You think you learned that stuff
in Hell? I don't know.You let me know. I hope our

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listeners realize. We have great respectfor mister Burne, but he's just wrong
about some stuff. But you knowwhat, so am I. I can't
say the same for Bobo, butI know I'm getting correct about some things.
And if you talk about Bigfoot longenough, especially publicly, you're gonna
be wrong eventually. Ain't no bigdeal, nothing wrong with being wrong?
Okay, Well, our next messagesfrom John Hall, who is actually the
first big footer that Matt Prue hadever met, and he says, if

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you guys are in charge of makingyour own finding big Foot type show,
what would you do different or howwould it be different? The reason I
ask is that pretty much all theBigfoot documentary documentaries and reality shows are pretty
much the same. Nothing he comesfrom them. It seems at the big
Foot field that's gotten to stay overthe last few decades. Thanks for your
time. Love the show, JohnHall. We do a lot different.

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Yeah, I mean so basically,those guys had like two hundred and twenty
five grand per per week to workwith in the that's just field you know,
travel hotels, all that, renta cars meals. So yeah,
I would have done it different forsure. Maybe what I would have probably

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done was not flown all over theplace and just kind of done like each
season like in a like maybe notthe not the exact same like cabin,
but have a base and work yourway around and and just be totally flu
have a lot more flexibility was whatI'd imagine i'd try to do it.
Yeah, I think that'd be agood start. I think I'm I'm kind

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of doing my own version of itnow with the museum videos. Honestly because
I'm at home, which I'd lovebeing home. I'm not a big fan
of traveling, even though I haveto do it all the time for work.
I'm just I don't enjoy traveling.It's not something I want to do,
not even for Bigfoot. And Isay this all the time. I
mean, it's great to have aSasquatch you know, hot spot in Virginia,
but I'm not in Virginia. Ilike where I live, you know,

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I live here for a reason,So I would go to local spots
around where I am and follow upon things, or go to areas that
I know are good, because you'regoing to get stuff eventually. I think
that it's important on these types ofshows to show that you don't always get
things, and I think that's oneof the things that Finding Bigfoot did successfully.
We didn't always get things, whichis where the witnesses and the town

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hall and the other sort of thingscome in. But I'm really much more
interested in field work than I am, you know, witness interviews and that
sort of stuff. Witnesses are asignpost that points to where one should do
field work. For a lot ofbig footers, I know that witnesses are
the goal because they like stories andthat they value the witnesses as the end.

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To me, there a means toan end. So I would focus
more on the field work and theanalysis of the data gathered from that from
my local area. If I ifI had my druthers, which is pretty
much what I'm doing now, whichof course I'm doing it on zero budget,
you know, like on on ongas money basically gas money in a

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bag of Doritos on the way tothe word paranapples and orange is there because
there's I mean two hundred and twentyfive grand a week. Dude, shoot,
I mean I want to put mymoney. I would have definitely had
a mobile mobile base camp like andwe wouldn't be staying in hotels. I'll
tell you that, we'd be stayingout at the sites, and uh,

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i'd have a lot more thermal didn't. It was so it was so weird
how they didn't want to have likestationary thermals like pen untilt, Like I'd
have pen untilts around the where youwere at and then like dougs doing out
the new what's doing with legend eachscience too, is putting all those cameras
and light flick on instantly at thesame time where there's no way could get
out without you're getting it, youknow, at least a blur of it

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running. You get something I thinkI think we could do with the budget.
I mean, so they spent Imean they spent over twenty million dollars
get on us out in the field, and that's insane. Well over the
nine years, yeah, we didn'tget any good footage that's insane, Like
to me, that's just it's it'slike, that's just nuts, Like we

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should have if we had that,someone gave us twenty million dollars and can
you guys get footage? I'd sayI'd bet my life on it. Yes,
we could within two years and havegreat footage and then I can tell
stories about you. No, youknow, I think that it's the format
of television. It's it's reality TV. Reality TV is not the format for

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a Bigfoot documentary show. It iswhat actually when it comes down too,
you know, especially on the schedulethat we have. And that's one of
the first things that I would changeabout any sort of other show is take
away that schedule pressure. And whatI mean by that is like I probably
wouldn't be a weekly show. Idon't. I don't think that that's the
right way to go about something likea finding Bigfoot show because you have eight

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or nine days that you're filming thereand you you got to get something,
and you got to move to thenext spot or you got to stay in
the same spot. Even I thinkthat even that would is that it's that
pressure of one episode a week thatdoes it in because you've got to get
something. You gotta get something coolfor the audience that that's that's fun.
Even if you don't get a bigFoot, you gotta get something fun and
some sort of story in there.I think that a better way to do

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it is a no pressure and notime constraint documentary that like, say,
for example, we say we goto Michael's house. Remember Michael our guests
from one forty nine, from episodeone forty nine, So say we say
we go to Michael's house and wespend X number of months there and then
whatever we get we piece it together. I think that's a better way to

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do something like this. But somesort of serial weekly show now, it's
just it's just not going to happennow because of the constraints and the money
that's on the table and the pressureon the production company to get something done.
There has to be a zero timeconstraint framework for anything to happen,
because Bigfoots don't give a damn aboutyour time constraints. Yeah, I've always

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said when people talking like, hey, these guys want to do a TV
show, now I saw them.You're so much better off just doing like
documentary stock because TV is not conducive. It's two it's yeah, it's not
conducive. It's there are two differentthings. Yeah, there really are.
You can make an entertaining show,and that's great. You know, it's
fun to watch people go do this. Me on Mountain Monsters what I mean.

(27:38):
I love Mountain it's a great show. I love the show. But
like, are they doing bigfoot research? I don't know who knows what they're
doing. They're they're they're being themselvesout in the woods and turning it up
to eleven. It's what they're doing. But you aren't going to get quality
DNA evidence and footprint casts doing somethinglike that, I would think. And
it's not a slim against the MountainMonster show. I love those guys.
All of those guys are my friends. But they put out. They put

(28:00):
out, but they know what they'redoing, like they they're the part they're
putting out like they're they're doing it, like they're they're not clean. That
there's you know, scientists you know, trying to Yeah, they're entertainers.
Yeah yeah, And frankly, weneed fewer entertainers and that probably includes myself
and more educators and scientists in thisthing which the educator part does include myself.

(28:22):
I guess I'm more entertainment than anythingelse really, But yeah, I
think we need more scientists in thein the game. Oh definitely, Yeah,
a lot more scientists. But untilyou know, I mean, until
something happens or you know, moreinterest is taken or I don't know.
There's a lot of barriers, mostof which are the big footing community itself.
There's a lot of barriers between morescientists getting involved in this subject than

(28:45):
where we are now. But it'smostly discur own behavior and and correct me
if I'm wrong. But Matt Pruett, here are our listening voice on our
shoulder. Didn't you address that inyour book? That sounds awfully familiar to
me, Like like you're kind ofpointing out that the big foot community is
one of the biggest obstacles for beingtaken seriously, Yeah, to some degree.
I mean, I don't want itto sound like an oversimplification, but

(29:07):
yeah, it is very often theclaims and the behaviors of a lot of
proponents that are the most damaging tothe proponents themselves, not only in the
eyes of the scientific community, butthe skeptical community. Let's say, because
you know, the people that thinkthat it can't exist therefore doesn't exist.
Like, despite whatever other differences theyhave, they're at least united in that

(29:27):
particular front, whereas the proponents sideis anything but united, and so they
spend so much time fighting and bickeringamong themselves that it's really easy for someone
you can hardly blame, let's say, someone from the outside looking in,
going yeah, this is all nonsense, because even these people don't agree for
our listeners, by the way,that was, of course, our producer

(29:48):
Matt Pruitt by his book. Readit. It's fantastic in my opinion,
and it's legitimately one of the bestbig books written in recent years by far.
So anyway, Yeah, so there'sa long, meandering answer for you,
mister John Hall. Stay tuned formore Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Bobo. We'll be right back afterthese messages. All right, This next

(30:15):
question here is from Zippy West.Cool name anyway, Zippy West. He
us the number one killer of bearsare bears and the number one killer of
lions are lions. So if sasquatchesa cannibal, do you think they may
eat they're dead? We don't knowthey could. I mean, I've heard

(30:37):
that speculated, and I don't thinkthey do. I think anything's on the
menu, man, I really do. I think that they'd eat us,
if you know, if they wereso inclined, if you know, if
they were hungry enough, are delicious, we look delicious. Can imagine all
that marbling that we'd have. Chimpanze'sbeen seating eating other chimpanzees, haven't they.

(31:00):
I know they've been seen eating intheir monkeys. I don't know about
chimps though. Do they eat othertroop members? No, not troop members.
I think like when they after theykill X one through their team,
I think the other troops. Yeah, that's kind of what I meant to
say. So, yeah, theother troops when they do inner tribal or
troop warfare. I don't know.But do I think Sasquatch is accountable,
Well, they're reported to be.But that also might just mean human eating

(31:22):
eating humans, And there are asmall, small, small, small number
of reports of them suggesting that behavior. I got it right here, Cliff.
And when it comes to me,it's not just other primates that chimps
will find delicious. They've been knownto feast on rival chimpanzees too, and
on rare occasions they're kind of cannibalisticbehavior can even expend individuals within their own
group. Well okay, well thereyou have it. And that's also true

(31:45):
for humans to some degree. Yeah, it's mostly I think cultural taboos.
So yeah, I think there that'skind of settles it. Sasquatches probably do
eat their dead, but a naturallydead animal, there's a reason they died.
You know, you don't want thatin your body. Yeah, I'm
not even sure. I guess I'myou know, scavengers would eat that sort

(32:05):
of stuff, but I think saadsquatchesare also scavengers. I think that anything's
on the menu. They don't havegreat taste and a lot of things,
and I think the menu items areone of those things. So zippy,
that's the best we can do onthat one, all right. This one's
from Jake L. I live inthe Driftless region of Wisconsin, and I'm
curious about the potential for Bigfoot's here. There are some reports, but not
many. In your opinion, isthis a good place to go Bigfoot?

(32:29):
It would be a waste of time. Yeah. Yeah, we've been there.
Yeah, we've been there. Yeah, because it's it's right across fromer
we stayed in Wisconsin. We wentin Iowa. Yeah, Jake, I
was I'm not familiar with the Driftlessregion there, but but we just looked
it up and it sure looks goodto me. I would expect them to

(32:49):
be there like that, that's steep, rugged terrain, if there's plant life
and stuff, if it's if it'sgnarly places where you don't want to go
walking around, they're probably there.We heard him there, but that one
do this cliff, So that's apparentlywe filmed there. Yeah, we had
them come right up to us,that one stopping its feet in the brush,
right right right fifty feet from us. Oh, is that the where

(33:09):
that watch tower was? No,that was that was that was in Wisconsin.
I'm talking about when we went overto Yeah, they were there too,
But I'm talking about when we wentin Iowa and that Yellow Yellow River
State Park or something like that.Yellow Oh there there, Okay, that's
that's Trifless area. That's the heartof the Trifless area. Really yeah,

(33:34):
yeah, they said, uh,south southwest Wisconsin. So yeah, it's
a good area. I would doit. Go find the plant life,
find where all the animals are hangingout and go. And one of the
best things about it is like veryfew researchers are up there doing things and
you'll probably have most of places toyourself. Maybe contact the BFR owner Wisconsin
because Larry Dalky's up there and hiswife, like they know, they put

(33:55):
us on spots where we got themlike right away there. There's some of
the guys up there too, aswe've been out with at the site and
the Yellow I think it was YellowRiver State Park. I think it was
what they called it. Yeah,that is exactly where it was. Yeah.
And you know there's a fantastic juvenilesasquatch footprint and casts here in the
museum from Dubuque right outside of there, Yeah, and that general area.

(34:19):
Yeah. And that's so that wholearea it's it's it's under exploited for big
foot stuff. I think it's agood way to say it. There's certain
there are certainly in there and thereand the deep thing about being out there
and I think it's you know,we've talked about this before, aboves that
it's probably easier to find sasquatches inthat area the country than it is out
here. To the Pacific Northwest,and it's not because there's more of them.
I think there's more out here inthe Pacific Northwest, but there are

(34:42):
there's less habitat. So at leastyou know where to start looking. And
it's still a really really big area. You know, it's a huge area,
but it's a lot smaller than itis out here. So at least
you know where to start looking andstart start frequenting certain areas and talking to
the locals and looking at sighting rapportand all that sort of stuff, just
stuff that we all do as bigfooters and see where you can zero in

(35:05):
on and then start working that areaas much as you can. Yeah,
that's a great I'm just I'm havingalways memories come back now. I'm talking
to people in town and just otherpeople that weren't on the show and stuff,
but all the stuff going on aroundthere. Yeah, that's a that's
a really good area. Yeah,so go go to it, Go to
it. Let us know what youget. Okay. Well, here's the
last question for this particular episode,the August Q and A, and this

(35:30):
was from George Edo. The messagesor the question is who is the greatest
big footer of all time. Iguess Titans maybe, or that's it's sorted
to say just one. But Imean, you gotta get you gotta take
your head off to Roger Patterson,because he brought in the thing that's convinced
more people than I mean, he'sresponsible for getting more people in a big

(35:52):
foot than anyone else. I'd say, you got John Green, and I'd
even throw in Tom Shay and inthe conversation. Yeah, you know,
I guess there's Here's the challenge withthis question, to me, at least,
George, is there are so manyaspects, so many facets to big

(36:13):
footing, that you almost have tocompartmentalize them because there are people who would
compile compile information like John Green,in which if we're talking about compilers and
who contributed more to the field thanprobably anybody else, it might be John
Green, just because he was amongstthe first and he's the person who kind
of almost popularized the subject to somedegree, although popularized might be too strong

(36:37):
of a verb for this. Hewas introduction, yeah, for pretty much
everybody. And if you don't knowwho John Green is, well, my
gosh, I'm surprised you're even listeningto the podcast. You should go get
a John greenbook and read it andthen come back and listen to the podcast
later. But John Green did that, But he's not a He wasn't really
a field guy, even though hewent to the field a fair amount.

(36:58):
I wouldn't I wouldn't categorize as misterGreen as a field person. I would
write him up as more of acompiler, I suppose, yeah, and
presenting it in a way that itwas compelling and thoughtful and persuaded people that
wow, there's something here. Itlooks like yeah, because even he didn't

(37:19):
think they were real at first.It was actually talking to witnesses, which
is what he excelled at, talkingto witnesses and then recording what they said
and publishing it. That's what hereally did. But again, I mean,
that's not that's not really what Ilike to do. And I'm not
a I'm perhaps not a great bigfooter, but I'm an okay big footer.
You know. I like field stuff. So when I when I look

(37:40):
at field stuff, I would liketo say, bob titmus But I'll tell
you what, I don't know ofa lot that he did, because most
of his records were destroyed. Ina boat fire off British Columbia, and
in fact a lot of his footprintcasts were also destroyed in that same boat
fire, So he had a lotmore data gathered than will ever know because

(38:00):
he was not out there drawing attentionto himself. He'd never published really anything
about it. What little I knowabout Bob Titmas's field work is either from
people who had met him and interviewedhim and that sort of stuff, or
the stuff that he wrote on theback of original footprint casts. And all

(38:22):
of the remaining all the surviving footprintcasts are in the Willow Creek China Flats
Museum down there in your neck ofthe woods and Willow Creek there, Yeah,
and the most one behind glass.You can't really read what he wrote,
but it's just mostly this is afootprint that's the same individual. I
followed it for this far, thiswas the date, that kind of stuff.

(38:44):
So very little is actually known abouta lot of Bob Titmass field efforts.
But so which brings us to thenext possible candidate. I think Tom
Shay is way at the top ofthe list because Tom Shay is not only
compiling data, he has several stacksof spiral notebooks that he writes down little

(39:06):
things like temperature and date and thisis what we found and stuff. But
he's also out there casting footprints,doing field work, following up on stuff,
which I think is also a signatureof a great researcher is hearing about
something that happened recently in the lastweek or something and going out and looking
for sign To me, that thatis what it takes to be a great

(39:29):
research researcher. Is that level ofdiligence and commitment. Not hearing about the
oh, you saw one three daysago, let me write down what it
is, and then don't do anythingelse about it. That's not enough to
me. That's not a great researcher. That's a mediocre researcher, just who's
only going after the words and notthe evidence. To me, that that's

(39:51):
just my bar. You know,I would way rather have the evidence than
I would the words. The wordsare again are a signpost to go get
the evidence. So to me,that's what a great researcher is. You
do collect the story, but thatdoesn't end there. You go the extra
mile, You put your you putyour button the car, and you get
out to the area and you putyour boots on the ground and to see

(40:12):
what else there might be. Heck, it might be in the area.
Still, I mean that's what That'sbasically what Roger Matterson did. He was
working on information that was a fewmonths old, but he basically went to
a spot where footprints were found recentlyand ran across another's ass. Watch and
those guys are all great trackers.Yeah, well, you know back then
in the you know, fifties andsixties and stuff like just I'll say,

(40:32):
like people were made of different stuff. You know. It's like talking about
the pioneers or something like that,like the we would all be dead if
we were pioneers, you know,but they made it somehow. You know,
we're standing on their shoulders as thepeople of a different caliber, men
and women, just a different caliberthan what we do today. Who else,

(40:52):
what do you think? Both?So what are your thoughts on this?
I've kind of rambled for a while, and I'm sure i'll think of
another in a minute, But what'son your mind? I mean, yeah,
it's when I say, like greatresearchers, there's there's different categories.
I mean, like John Green wasthe first, I mean he did such
a good job of presenting the evidence, you know, like straightforward and well

(41:14):
written and insightful and tying loose endstogether and kind of showing you things like
Rainfall with his Rainfall's reports. Thenyou got Tom Schaa for surviving evidence.
He's number one. I mean technically, like I said, lost his stuff
in that boat fire, like Isaid, Roger, because Roger, Roger

(41:36):
got the best footage ever and he'sbeen fifty something years fifty six years or
whatever. Yeah, and if Imaybe about in a bit about Roger too,
I mean, everybody hangs their haton the film. But Roger was
a legit bigfooter. He did chasedown all the recent reports. He did
cast a bunch of footprints, Herecorded interviews with people about their signing reports.

(41:57):
He was literally the first person toever were call blasts. A lot
of people claimed that they invented callblasting, that none of them did.
Roger Patterson did. He would do. He would do vocalization calls off at
some tower he built on his propertyin Tampico by Yakima, Like he was
the first in so many because it'sjust just like this guy with endless energy

(42:20):
towards the subject, this deep levelof fascination and obsession about the subject.
He was an astonishing researcher, andI only know a little bit about what
he collected. So in a fewshort years started collecting reports, he wrote
a book, and he filmed OneMan. What a decade for that guy.
What a decade. Yeah, Imean he was He died relatively young,

(42:43):
and he still had a good,good amount of time with him.
I think he would have done somemore, you know, I got some
more results. Oh, I'm positivehe would have. I mean, he
threw the money away that he earnedon the film trying to get another one,
not trying to go get a bodyof one out of Indonesia. Yeah.
Yeah, he went down. Hewent down to Indonesia with Dennis Jensen
and tried to get a sasquatch thatthey were supposedly holding in a cage in

(43:07):
some monastery in Indonesia somewhere. Thewhole thing was a wild goose chase,
and he spent all his money anddidn't get anything from it, and then
he basically died a poor man afew years later. Hodgkin's disease, the
type of cancer. But yeah,so that's that's commitment. That's definitely commitment.
Another whole branch of this big footingthing. The greatest big foot of
all time would have to be thescientific accomplishments. You know. Of course

(43:29):
we're all standing on Krantz's shoulders,but I mean Meldrum's standing on his and
further to Krantz's research, But there'salso quiet scientists in the background that are
in some and a very small numberthat are just peeking their heads out of
their holes right now kind of lookingat this big foot thing. So I'm
really curious once Meldrum retires, youknow, who's going to step in and
take the spot. Hopefully we're onthe verge of a new wave of big

(43:53):
footers, at least in the scientificrealm, that it'll just push us all
out of the way and we cansit back and enjoy learning about the subject
from real professionals once the species hasproven as real. Yeah. So anyway,
that's that's my thought on the onthe matter, you know, But
that's from a very you know,Cliff and Bobo centric perspective as well,
though we all have our opinions.We all have our thoughts about what makes

(44:16):
a good big footer. Three inmy top ten all right, Cool,
you're going to the All Star Game, am I? Well, I appreciate
that. That's very kind of you. That's very kind of you. I'm
just trying to do the best Ican with what little time I have.
Next, the next one is who'sdone the most damaged the big Foot?

(44:37):
Oh? All of us. That'sa group effort there, Bobs. We
couldn't have done it without every othermember of our community. Well, that's
great and soaked. I love thequestions we get because it throws us on
topics we'd never get too. Butthey're good topics. So yeah, keep
those coming in, folks. We'llgot one voicemail this time. I mean

(44:58):
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I can just say it once onhere, So hit us up,
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(45:20):
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in the group chat, and weanswer them. These are all surprised questions.

(45:40):
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