Ep. 246 - Q&A - January, 2024

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Bubo Fay, Good day, Bobo. How you doing, sir? All
right? How's going up there?Oh it's it's been a heck of a
week, man, it's been aheck of a week. The weather hit.
I think it's hit pretty much everywhere, the crawl across the country.
But you know, I live outin the woods and last weekend, you
know you've been to my house.I've got a one mile long dead end

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dirt road that I live on.I think six trees dropped across the road
over the weekend. On Friday andSaturday. The wind was howling, you
know. I mean it was sustainten to fifteen a lot of twenty twenty
five, so we had like fiftymile per hour gusts going down the valley.
And the temperature was twelve so everythingwas frozen, which and that dropped

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a lot of trees. Six treesover the road and just countless others in
the woods on either side. Oneof the trees was well over one hundred
feet tall. Well, it wastall at one time, till it fell,
that it was, And so Ispent nine am too dark or so
on Sunday with my neighbors clearing thattree because it dropped on the road.

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Like almost the entire length of thetree was on the road. So that
took a lot of effort. Whatabout your existence, What are you doing?
Well? I got home last nightfrom down south. Did you drive
straight through or did you take abreak somewhere? I took a break down
by Santa Cruz. Oh that's cool, good man good. I slept for
about three or four hours, andI stopped and seeing my buddy web down

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there at Half Moon Bay, andthen shot up that night and got back
about three thirty in the morning somethinglike that. Nice. Well it's kind
of late, but otherwise it's butit's nice to be home. Oh dude.
Plus, I skipped traffic because there'sall those storms and like just traffic
jams everywhere, and so I justdrove in the middle of the night.
But it was still sketchy, storms, super hard. I was going through

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San Francisco. And then when Icrossed the Golden Gate. They're redoing the
bridge, and like all the lanes, like in the lanes coming up to
it on the one oh one,there was no It was all blacktop and
there was all these different like oldlines like you could I mean, there
was no reflectors or no painted lines. It was just black pouring down rain
like dumping, and then cars justflying all over the well. The people

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were slowing down but you couldn't tellthe lane was what it was. It
was white knuckle for sure. Butyeah, school, so I'm back now.
And then there was just a sightingright where I've been going up outside
of Fieldbrook, which is just outsideof your Garcada area on the coast.
It's the first little valley behind McKinleybe lotching the airport there trin southeast of

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Trinidad. And my buddy saw oneit was. It jumped down, It
jumped twenty feet into a ravine andkept running when it landed. Wow it
was. And then when the backtrackthere was a dead dough there with a
broke neck, I guess, Andwhere it was was right by this Uh
when I think she baby sits too, but she has for sure, like
three three kids, like probably fromlike three to seven or something. I

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think she had. I think she'swatched a couple of other kids there too.
And that's where it was. Hangingout on this private dirt road with
like you know, maybe like halfdozen houses on It goes a couple of
miles. It might be worth walkingon that road. Man. They keep
going back to the same spots frommikepers Yeah, he took off. He
took off out of town for acouple of weeks, like two days ago
before I came back. And I'mgonna gout there with another guy. We're

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gonna go look, go check itout and see what we can dig up.
Nice man, that's nice. Yousee if you can take some pictures
of that broken neck deer the kindof Yeah, yeah, for sure,
nice man, that's cool. Yeah. Well, I think we got a
question and answer episode, right,or just doing another one of them.
There are things we do is theQ and a episode once a month,

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and this is it. And ofcourse all these questions will be submitted by
our listeners. By you. Yes, I'm pointing at you, listener.
You are the people who ask usces. You can either call well,
you can go to our website basically, and you can you be hit the
contact button and you can either leavea voicemail for us, which we really
really enjoy of course, and Ithink people like to hear themselves on the

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radio too with it and hear allof our friends out there. Or you
can type up a question for usand we answer it, and of course
we'll do that for the next houror so, and then we will go
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an extra forty five minutes or anhour every single week. If just

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in case you can't get enough ofCliff and bobes, there's a little bit
more out there for you. Andwe do special members only Q and A
where Bobo and I put on ourmembers only jacket and we answer questions just
from our members. So, misterMatt Prude, who also I think has
a is a cold right now,but not COVID. He has a cold
right now, mister Matt Prue,would you mind queuing up the first voicemail

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for us? Please? Hey,there, guys, is Mike. How
are you guys all doing today?Bobo, good, Cliff Matt just wanted
chicken with you guys, saying thatI had a BFO expedition and actually had
some interesting stuff happen. On thefirst day, I had a rock thrown
at me land right next to mea lot most some people heard it from

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who were a little bit away.Later on, I had a would knock
that I did had would not replyback, and then just for the hell
of it, did one more timeand I had kind of like a oh
kind of reply. We were upon a hill and it happened down like
the little valley that it was in. So had some interesting stuff there,
had some like some like whoo woo'sone night and I didn't hear it in

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person, but I heard the recordingof someone having a really hard like hard
wood knock, and so it waspretty interesting. So I can say it
was a very exciting trip. AndI don't know they I'll tell you guys
about more about it one day,but the one to give you guys a
heads up on what my adventures havebeen like. Love you guys, love
the podcast. Keep a squatchy,Michael Matt, You know, I love

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that you answered the recording Bobes.That's so that's adorable. I know,
you're way more polite than anybody wouldever imagine. Where he asked. You
know, you actually answered a questioneven though it was recording. That's just
adorable. Sound it really did.I was there with you, and I
said, oh shoot, I didn'tsay anything that I realized. Oh wait,
it's a recording. Typical behavior,I know, typical rude cliff.

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Oh, I know, I'm I'mterrible, but you're adorable. I just
wanted to put that out there.And uh, yeah, so you got
hit by a rock. I hopeMoneymaker didn't throw it too hard at you.
He didn't tell us where it was. You listen to Jersey or Pennsylvania?
Oh really if it was yeah,who knows? Who knows? Yeah?
Do you got answers on a knockthing? That's cool? Yeah.
The bfr O trips that you know, for people who haven't been on a

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bfro O trip, I got tosay, they're they're they're worth it.
That you learn some techniques and youknow, they get your you get your
feet wet and the bigfoot research stuffbfro style. But really, to me,
at least, the most valuable thingabout the bfro O trips is hooking
up with like minded individuals that youthat you want to go to the woods
with probably later, and you know, focus on the big foot thing.

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I think that that's really valuable.What are your thoughts on the BFRO trips,
Bobs, I tell you all thetime, like they're I think they're
worth it, you know, like, look at a three hundred bucks and
I'm like, you know, ifyou go fishing, you're gonna pay.
You know, you go for aweekend fishing, you got a guide.
Every day you're paying you know,two fifty a day or whatever. Yeah,
I mean it's like I think it'sa good deal, you know,
and you will get turned a goodspots. You'll you'll meet some cool people

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and you could you really could havean encounter. Yeah. Yeah, they're
they're very successful. You know,they're very successful. And like anything else,
when a lot of people show up, you know, maybe there's ten
or twenty people there, p youcan choose, you know, kind of
see who resonates with you best.You know. Yeah, because when the
public gets involved, you know,it gets a little weird sometimes, but

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generally speaking, there's always good peopleon those events. And mind you,
Bobo and I are not BFRO memberswith them. Matt doesn't know we're talking
about it right now, he's notasking us to do. So these are
our real opinions about these events.People come to me and ask me like,
do you guys take people out inthe woods, And I go,
no, No, not at all. But Matt does. And I always
recommend the BFRO trips, you know, because Matt's not on most of those.

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Mind you, Matt's on a coupleof them. If you're lucky though,
Oh yeah, if you're lucky,Yeah, because Matt's solid in the
woods. And I've said it before, I don't know of anybody better at
finding where a sasquatch might be thanthat guy. You know, you give
him Google Earth is signing to databasein about an hour, and he's going
to put you on the place whereyou're more than likely, well more likely

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than a rant than to run acrossthe sasquatch, you know for sure.
Yeah, he's very good at whathe does. In fact, I think
the Finding Bigfoot show I never didlike that name very much, but it
does work when Matt is there becauseMatt is what Matt is very very good
at. Yeah. But anyway,yeah, Mike, thanks not so much
a question, but thanks for thecomment. We do appreciate that. And

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you know we're not against comments.If you guys want to send comments into
us instead of questions, more thanhappy to listen to him. Anyway.
Let's let's why don't we keep thesecond one? Hey, guys, this
is Pete, Southwest Missouri. Thatquick question about illness and disease in the
Sasquatch populace. Have there been anyreports in y'all's collective memory of Sasquatch exhibiting
symptoms of sickness or illness or diseaselike coughing, vomiting, anything like that?

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And what do you think that saysabout their frailty and resistance to disease
compared to ours? And then havethere what are your thoughts on in general
disease spreading inside the Sasquatch population orapps being introduced to them from us or
to us by them, any thoughts? I really appreciate it. Keep it
up, guys, you know,have a great podcast. Yeah, people

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report them having like allergy symptoms orit sounds like they have like a some
kind of breathing problem, you know, like they got some kind of like
a sinus infections. I think there'sa lot of reports of them like huffing
and gasping forever, or like walkinghard coughing. There's a lot of reports
to them coughing like they have acold or something. And I mean,

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for all we know, they couldget hit by diseases that you know,
we're not aware of. And that'swhy, uh, you know, it
just seems like theres certain areas godead. Who knows they caught something,
or because we know that primates cananother species, can you distribute germs and
pathogens and viruses, so yeah,well everything gets sick, so yeah,
they're gonna do Yeah. And asfar as a frail to the speed,

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I agree with all that, Bobo. And I've heard the coughing thing,
and I not my personally, buti've been I've heard stories of them coughing
or what sounds like coughing. Also, so the heavy breathing is very common
sort of thing, you know.But they have to be tough as nails,
man, I mean, just holysmokes, you have to be just
gnarly with their immune system. AndI kind of always think about my time
as an elementary school teacher, youknow, because there is no other greater

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crucible for disease and filth in anelementary school classroom, I think, and
and I would generally start the year, you know, I'd go back to
school before the kids did prepare theclassroom when I was a teacher, and
then i'd about two weeks or so, and then kids would come in September
and I would And of course it'snot just my fifth graders either, by
the way, or you know,whoever, whatever I was teaching that you're

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because you're you're in this elementary schoolenvironment where there's kindergarteners all the way to
whatever six or eighth grader, dependingwhat kind of school it is, plus
their parents are around and whatever else. It is a crucible of disease essentially.
And so in September I would usuallyget sick. I would get a
touch of something or rather, andthen that would be it kind of you
know, it's like the it's likeyou get it exposed to It's almost like

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inoculation. You get exposed to ita little bit, and then you're kind
of built up, you build upan immunity. I generally did not really
get sick for the rest of theyear, and I think that's probably what's
going on with sasquatches. They're justout there doing their thing, you know,
in a relatively clean environment, bythe way, so there might there
might be very few sort of diseasesout there, you know, to communicate
to one another. But I thinkthat's probably what it is. They're just

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out there all the time being gnarlyand big and you know, and doing
what they do, and therefore theyprobably don't get sick very often. But
I'll tell you, I bet whenthey do get sick, it's probably pretty
bad, to the point where eventuallyone of those illnesses probably kills them,
you know, at you know,at age fifty or something like that.
What are your thoughts on disease diseasesspreading to them? Now, let's of

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course humans, we're not really aroundbigfoots very much, otherwise there'd be more
pictures of them, you know.I think that's fair to say. But
what about spreading diseases to each otheror maybe you know, other animals like
birds for example, birds are filthy, nasty, horrible things. They spread
disease all over the place. Whatdo you think of sasquatches catching diseases from

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them? Makes sense that I knowthat the polar bears with their seal hunting
not going. There's a planned becauseof the ice flows, you know,
changes in that that they've switched tothe logo klan went cliffs and stuff and
just eat eggs and hatchlings of allthe all the sea birds and that they

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I know, they've gotten some.They just got the first one. What's
that H five N one bird fluthey just found in the first polar bear
up there. Yeah, I mean, birds are kind of filthy things,
you know. I guess most biologyis kind of filthy at the end of
the day. But yeah, itmakes you wonder. But it seems to
me the sasquatches probably live a fairlyisolated life in a lot of ways,

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you know, fairly isolated. Ofcourse, they want to they want to
kill deer, so you know thatdeer. What is it? The deer
wasting disease? Is that what thatis? It's a chronic wasting, chronic
wasting disease. There makes you kindof wonder if that's going to spread.
They say it can't spread to humansthough at this point, you know,
they whoever they are, they saythis that may change as things evolve further,

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because everything's always evolving, you know, and and uh, these things
change. It's a problem with especiallywith the microscopic level, these like microbes
and stuff. They're changing pretty quick. I think for the most part,
maybe something like that will start affectingthem. But you know, without you
know, learning more about sassquatches oryou know, proven the species is real,
we'll never know. And as doctorKrantz says, and if they do

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go slowly extinct without anybody knowing aboutthem, then in a way, in
a weird sort of way, it'sno loss, which is a weird thing
to say, but there's some truthin there. There is some truth in
there, so not much but alittle. Yeah. I guess you can't
lose what you don't know about.But for us, you know, we'd
be weeping. We'd be weeping inour pillows. Oh god, yeah,
yeah, more than usual. That'sa lot, I know. I know.

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Well, hopefully that answers Pete's questiona little bit. In Missouri love,
I love Missouri. That's a lovelyplace. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot
and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.We'll be right back after these messages.
Well, anyway, do you wantto cueue up the next message there for

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us. Hello Cliff and Bobo.My name is Gabriel from Sunny Los Angeles.
I have a bigfoot related question anda non related bigfoot question. Let's
start with a non related bigfoot question. First, Cliff, I heard in
a previous podcast you bring you ownbruce. What type of bruce do you
make? Pale als IPAs apple cider? Now fourthy bigfoot related question. My

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friend asked me a good question towhich I was stumped. If a TV
show such as The Proof is outThere Expedition, Bigfoot, et cetera records
a bigfoot, would they want todisplay it in the newspapers and magazines first
and air the episode later. Thebest regards and happy squatching. Yeehaw.
Well, I guess let's do thenon bigfoot one first. Yeah, I've

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been brewed in a while. Ijust haven't been drinking as much actually lately,
but but I do enjoy beer.I love a great beer, and
when I was brewing beer with regularity, it tended to be I p as,
but I always for me personally,I like I pas. Don't get
me wrong, but I kind oflean towards pale ales now, you know,
Like I think my favorite go tobeer that's readily available in most places

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is Sierra Nevada pale Ale. Thatthat's that, That's what I'd like to
do a little bit of hops.So it used to be I p as,
but then when I moved to thePacific Northwest, I mean up here
in Oregon and whatever else, Imean, we're this is beer country,
and the I p as up hereare just extreme. You know, they're
just extreme. It's it's like,yeah, I'm gonna take some I'm gonna

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ferment some vix Vapo rub, youknow, and then uh and then drink
that. You know. That's kindof what the the I p as up
here can go towards if you're notcareful, because they just like really take
it to a whole different level.So I've learned that, uh, I
just don't have the palette for aharsh I PA. So I kind of
go to the pale ales like alittle bit hops, but not not that

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much because up here it's just somethingdifferent. But I have brewed a bunch
of other stuff that I find interesting. I also like a nice like stout
or something like that with a littletinge of sweet in there. Really,
I did some milk stouts for acouple of years. Those are fantastic.
Yeah, so that's kind of mygig there. I gravitate towards the pale
ales and then the stouts and maybethe porters and that sort of stuff too.

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So that's the beer question. Butyou know, I also make meat.
Meat is a lot of fun.Which meat, of course is the
first, probably likely the first fermenteddrink of all humankind, which is fermented.
Honey, did you stay about one? You say, vy Cliff,
that you've made last year or twoyears ago, whatever I've got. You
know what meat takes. So whenI make meat, I brew it up
or whatever and then it sits fortwo years. So yeah, I have

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a fair amount of meat lining around. If you do want it, it
is at the house. I'll putit inside your trailer. Yeah you promised
me. Oh yeah, no problem, no problem. I got a couple
of things I need to give youactually, because people tend to send me
things to get them. Yeah,like you should be a little bit more
readily available for the people, soI don't have to have like a you
know, a whole like toat inmy house devoted to bobo stuff. You

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know, I'm sorry it's a right. I was throating your trailer. You
can feel bad about that. Bythe way, Bobo's Bobo's trailer is still
not for sale unless you give himan offer he can't refuse. So hopefully
we'll get some of those in orwhatever. Oh and then so anyway,
meat, I'm interested in meads becauseit's a lot of fun. You know,
meads are kind of unusual. Thelast couple of meds I made,

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though, were kind of sickly sweetin a way, because I think meats
should be sweet. Because the firstbatch I made, I use a champagne
yie and it came out real dry, and that's not really my taste.
But I don't know, I gotto find somewhere in between. I'm interested
in meat. That's a whole cultureof meat I'm not aware of. You
know, like if you could,if you tinge it with sage, you
know, if you then it's thenit's called this. If you use this
kind of spice in it, it'scalled this other name. It's just so

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much. It's this giant world offermented, fermented drink out there that I'm
not super acquainted with. I justdabble, and I do enjoy it.
But anyway, next part it wasthe Bigfoot question. But but what are
your thoughts on that, Like,if one of these shows, like Finding
Bigfoot or Expedition Bigfoot or whatever,it actually gets gets real footage, what
do you think the what would happento it? They would make a huge

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deal out of it and get itout, probably as fast as they could,
and just you know, try tokeep the clamps on it not getting
out, you know, leaking tothe public ahead of time, and then
just do a huge I'm sure they'drun it on Discover, the main channel
for sure. Yeah, I thinkso too. I think I think they
exploit it as much as they like. We would obviously go because we'd tell
our friend. Word would just getout. There's you know, you got

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fifteen people that are working on theshow, plus you know, I think
there's no not going to tell Barteror you know someone like that. Oh
yeah, yeah, I would blababout it right away. I would like
everybody who knows me personally would knowabout it. Then you can't keep something
like that secret. Yeah, Andof course the proof is out there is
a kind of a different show though, because proof is out there. The
one I'm kind of work on nowis like they they go out and find

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clips and they get they they paya licensing fee to the owners of them,
and that kind of thing, andthen some nerd like me talks about
them on the air. And therehave been real clips you know, on
Proof is out there. Any PattersonGimlin film has been on there. The
Freeman footage has been on There's beena fair number of clips that I think
are probably real on there, anda whole lot of stuff that isn't.
And of course I've talked about thatbefore in the show. The producers are

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more than happy to let me saymy truth about them. And again,
I don't watch any of the showsthat I'm in really, so I don't
know how I'm edited up. Buthopefully they do a good job with me.
I trust them, so hopefully theydo. Yeah. But I think
if any of these shows got actual, real footage, everybody and their mother
would know about it. They wouldbe there would be such a commercial marketing
push for that piece of footage.It would be ridiculous. Everybody would know

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about it. Yeah, I stulthey got some plan, like you know,
the kind of leak that it's coming, or it would be out that
it's coming. Then you know theywouldn't let it out run away, don't
think they you know, they'd milkit. They'd have you know, they'd
pop up like a bunch of episodesbefore, like you know, we run
a bunch of the episodes from before, and you know, just build the
height train as much as possible andthen boom, because once it's out and

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doesn't come back to watch it onthose channels, it'll be on the internet.
Ever, we're gonna just look itup, you know. Oh,
and they'll recycle it, you know, forever. Basically, it's like it's
like that hoax snowalker footage from backin the day where the things you know
that they fake that the bottom feedingproduction companies like faked and then they made
it. They said this could thisbe real? And they do meldrum into

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it for a second, and hehad some positive things to say about it,
and who knows what he really said, because you know, editing is
he busted them. He first andhe thought it looked really good, and
then he identified the plants and saidit was not in the Himalayas, it
was in Sierra Nevadas, and sohe kind of got he kind of didn't
fall for it, fall for it, but he was. He was open,
like he was intrigued. And thenhe when he figured out it wasn't

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real, he came out and justsaid, no, this isn't real after
all. Yeah, that's the thingman. And because and because the producers
always showed I mean, you've beenon these shows, bubs, you know.
But for the people who haven't,like they put it, so,
what could you say about it that'spositive? They always say something like that
to you. They oh, well, it is walking bipedally, it is
all one color, and that doeslook rather large or whatever. And they
say, okay, now why doyou not think it's real? Oh,

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here's why. And then I givea laundry list of fifty things and they
don't use any of those. Sothey just kind of use whatever footage fits
their narrative best. You know.It's kind of sad in that way.
And again, one more time,I'm going to go unplug that documentary.
I think everybody who enjoys any sortof television like this at all really should
watch that documentary Science Friction. Gowatch it, and then it'll give you

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a new lens through which you canwatch these shows. And say, man,
I'm not so sure. I'm notso sure that's real. So anyway,
go check that one out. Yeah, but that's snow walker footage.
They've used it, you know,they used it back then for the original
episode. They use it for World'sGreatest Hoaxes a few years later. It's
going to it's surfacing again, Isee on television at some point here,
not too long. Yeah, theyjust keep regurgitating these hoaxes and keep milking

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it for money. You know,That's what these networks and stuff do.
I mean, that's why they exist. They exist to earn money, and
they're going to find every way theycan do it. And one of the
ways to earn money is get realsasquatch footage and go nuts with it.
It would be a really big thing. That's why, you know, I'm
assuming anything. I've said it before. If any of these shows get anything

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that's actually real, I'm going tohear about it before you know, the
History Channel puts it on the air. We all will if you're in the
Bigfoot community at all. So Ihope that answers Gabriel's question down there,
and Lovely Los Angeles hope the winnersaren't too harsh on you, Gabriel.
I'm sure it's dropping into the upperfifties. It was cole for La.
When when I left it was fortyeight degrees. Oh really, Oh my

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god. The forties. Yeah,they were like they were like everyone was
talking like, you know, likesitting in the forties tonight, bring your
tropical plants inside. Yeah, exactly. The low here yesterday was negative one.
Oh god, that's it's pretty insanefor it that never happens here.
Yeah, when all that wind isblown, the temperature was twelve and with

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the wind chill it was negative eight. Yeah. All right, this is
the last voicemail and then we'll goto the written questions. Okay, whatever
you say, Boss, Hey,Cliff, Hey, Bobo. I'm Alex
Kilbosa. I'm an amateur bigfoot researcherin the East Texas Boggie Creek area,
and I was runnering where in Texasy'all thought was the best bigfoot hotspots or

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any good reports from recent reports fromthat region. Thank you and love the
show. Dude kill that's my nickname. That was my alias in high school
in college, Norm Kilbasa. Itreminded me of the whole thing where you
guys were debating about which of youwould be like ribbi or t bone or
flank steak. Oh, that's cool, that's right, Alex. Thanks for

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the question. Man. You knowwhat I remember most from our our Texas
episodes is that every time we wentthere or you know, in a western
Louisiana or you know, that cornerof the world, basically it always seemed
to come back to the Sabine River. Yeah. Yeah, I mean everything
like the lakes we were at theyhad they were tributary or like they emptied
into the Sabine or Sabing emptied intothem or something like that. It always

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came down to the Sabine River andSam Houston down south. Oh yeah,
it's a different kind of section there. So if you're south, yeah,
Sam Houston's and then get with saving. I mean within anything within like thirty
miles in Louisiana seems really good.Yeah. And when we were in eastern
Texas, I remember one time webase out of Luffkin. Yeah, do
you remember that because of McDonald's commercial, Like Andy the sound guy kept saying,

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I'm luffing its Gramps, who's beena guest on the podcast, by
the way, So everybody can goback and listen to that. So,
yeah, Grandpa is great. Andof course his name is Andy. It's
not really Grandpa, but he's grampsto us. Yeah, that whole area
down there, the Sabine River seemsto tie a lot of that stuff together.
So I think any of those spots, the bottom lands and whatever else

(26:00):
would be a great place to gosee where the Sabine River empties into some
swamps or that. But I don'thonestly don't have anything that's recent from the
area. Oh there's stuff, there'sstuff. Yeah. Yeah, My ear's
not not to the ground down there, you know, So I don't know
what's going on there and there.It's hard to be aware of everywhere.
I mean, money Maker is goodat that, you know, because he

(26:21):
has that nationwide thing with the BFRO. I'm really just focused on my corner
of the world up here, youknow, stuff I can do something about.
Well, that textar condment of thatwhole texts comment is awesome too,
it is. It's really good.Well, Matt you you you hang out
there, I mean you've done somestuff down to that that zone before,
haven't you, not specifically in Texas? But yeah, I was going to

(26:41):
say you should definitely check out ourgood friend, one of my best friends,
Mike May's book, The Value ofthe Apes. The first third of
that book or so is about fieldresearch in portions of Texas. And then
of course Lyle Blackburn's Texas Bigfoot.Those two books would be a great resource.
And Bobo like Shreveport is right acrossthe border. You've done a lot
of stuff. You've gone back forseconds or thirds back in Shreeport, right,

(27:03):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that'swhere we saw that giant one.
Yeah, and Cattle Lake is inthat area that has long history. It's
stuff all throughout there. But yeah, the focus on the riverways, riverways
in that area, forested areas andriver ways, I think you can't go
wrong. There's a lot of placesdown there that hold them. Yeah,
totally, totally, And not alot of people are out there looking for

(27:25):
him. And of course it's nottoo far east. But Tyler, Texas,
I really like Tyler, Texas.I know that witness that with the
face smudge that's on display here atthe North American Bigfoot Center where a sasquatch
came up and looked inside the windowand left a smudge of goo on the
wall on the glass as it waslooking through of Seabam. I think the
term is for that oily stuff onyour skin. And I talk about my

(27:48):
thermal siding of a sasquatch in NorthCarolina, but I may have seen one
outside of Tyler. I'm not sure, but I don't talk about that one
so much because it was at sucha distance, but a tall, dark
figure walking by pal Lee through apowerline cut as I was zipping down the
highway. So I don't know ifthat was one or not, but that's
I saw it right outside of Tyler, Texas. So good area. Stay

(28:10):
tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond withCliff and Bogo. We'll be right back
after these messages we got rick Yarmy'smessages. Thank you for continuing to do
such a great job every week.I only listened to a few podcasts each
week, and this is by farand away my favorite. If you're in
a place that gentleman's been on,which region in the USA or Canada will

(28:33):
be the first to prove it wasn'tfor all that sasquatches are real? Where
do you think it will happen?First? I say North Carolina because of
the Darby or cuts. North CarolinaState University Sasquatch evidence investigation. Yeah,
I guess so. I mean Iwasn't thinking along those avenues, but I
think you're probably right. That didn'toccur to me. But yeah, North
Carolina University doing that DNA study,I think has a very very high probability

(28:56):
of being the first. The settlescome from all over the world. But
yeah, that's that's sort you're gonnahear about it from there. But yeah,
the settle could be from anywhere.Yeah, that's true, that's true.
But now now let's take the let'stake the laboratory out of this.
What do you think about that.Yeah, it's impossible. It really could
be. I mean it could becould come out of San Diego, could

(29:18):
come out of New York. Youknow, it could be Iowa. I
mean, who knows. I don'tknow if that answers anything, Rick,
but that's what you got. Butfor some reason, you keep continuing to
come back and listen to us everyweek, and we really really do appreciate
that. I suppose it's just likehanging out with Cliff and Bobo and Matt.
Really that's why white people keep comingback for more. Yeah, I
was thinking about that earlier. Like, uh, like, I'm so surprised

(29:41):
and humbled and astonished in a lotof ways that people keep coming back and
listening to our podcast, you know, and I'm very appreciative of it.
Surprising and flattering it is, itis equally so. Anyway, why don't
we go to the next question?This one comes from Shane gill Christ or
Gilchrist or guile Christ. I don'tknow Gilchrist gil Christ. All right,

(30:06):
Hey, this is Shane from Alberta, Canada. Do you think Canada has
more Sasquatch than the lower forty eightstates and we don't have as many reports
due to the vast land area dashsmaller populations to make reports. Thanks,
yes, next question? Please,No, I'm just kidding. Yeah,
yeah, that's absolutely the reason.That's absolutely the reason. Most of Canadians,

(30:29):
most of the Canadians live close tothe border, and most of Canada
is not close to the border,certainly, and pretty much most of Canada
is great bigfoot habitat, so SasquatchI think are more plentiful in Canada,
agreed. I remember we said itbefore. I mean British Columbia alone is
larger than Washington, Oregon and Californiacombined. You know, British Columbia is

(30:53):
not the only province up there thathas sasquatches in it. No, No,
not at all. Yeah, Ithink there's a ton of bigfoots up
there, a bevy of them.But without more people, more people will
never know. So I guess,I guess what we're actually doing is encouraging
Canadians to multiply. All right,Well, we got the next one from
Nathan Craig. What was one ofthe what was one thing each of you

(31:15):
struggled with most early on in yourjourney in the field of sasquatch, whether
it be pushed back from people ordifficulties with research time, et cetera.
I think for the early part itwas more just the information was you didn't
have the internet, you know,you couldn't just go online and look stuff
up and find hotspots or talk topeople, and it was you you got
to be really boots on the groundto get you know, to find uh,

(31:37):
to get information and find out whereto go and what time of year
these places are having them. Andyeah, in my early days, I
was in Long Beach, California,So it was geography, you know,
I mean, because I got introducedto the subject through the science literature and
mostly doctor Krantz at the time,and doctor Krantz mostly focused on the Pacific

(31:59):
Northwest because that's where he lived.He didn't have a lot of good information
for me to the Rockies. Hedidn't have a lot of the contacts and
all that sort of stuff, sohe focused on the information and the evidence
that he has. First he hadfirst hand knowledge of and all pretty much
all of it came from here,basically, so in Southern California. What
I really wasn't aware that they werein Southern California until later. And even

(32:23):
at that point, I thought,well, they're probably just you know,
moving through or something like that.I didn't realize that there were probably pockets
of them down there, and Idon't I see even today, I still
don't know a lot of the habitsof these things in the Southern California mountains
because up here in the Pacific Northwest, where I moved to, they don't
have to move very far. Theydon't have to get around very far because

(32:44):
everything they need is in like asmall area, which which is why I'm
pretty sure that they're not moving aroundvery much here. They're not migrating very
far, at least up here inthe Pacific Northwest southern California. I don't
know, all bets are off,you know, from the Sierras to the
Hashbee Mountains into the Angelus Crest andall that stuff. They might have to
move a great distance. They maynot have to move anywhere. I don't
know. I'm inclined to think theyprobably don't move around. But nonetheless,

(33:06):
so it was geography for me andtime as well, because you know too,
I started going to like Bluff Creek, because that's where a lot of
people start their bigfoot, you know, endeavors is by going to the Holy
Land, you know, Bluff Creekand like poking around there. And that
was a twelve hour drive from LongBeach, California. Time off and geography

(33:27):
was the thing I had the mosttrouble with all the other stuff I pushed
back from people and all that stuffthat came later on, I just became
more sensitive to other people criticizing mepersonally for my hobbies. That kind of
bothered me later on in my career. But in the early days, it
was time and geography. I guessI didn't consider that my career back then,

(33:49):
I consider that more when I movedup north. Yeah, of course,
I bounced around for a while tryingto find out where I was going
to be before I settled up here. My own regret about moving was that
I didn't do it ten years earlier. Long Beach is a great place to
grow up, especially for musicians andstuff. And you know, when I
was out playing the gigs and Blackplayed the whiskey of Go Go, and
I did all that kind of stuffup and down the Sunset Strip and had

(34:13):
a lot of musician friends, andI still do. But you know,
at the end of the day,I just, I guess I just enjoyed
being in the woods more than abeer soaked loud club waiting for the crappy
band that went on before a stand. I hope that answers your question,
Nathan, Thanks for offering it tous. The next question comes from Wesley
O'Quinn. What's the best footage thatyou guys have seen that the rest of

(34:37):
us haven't des falls. Yeah,there's some stuff from the Rison project that
looks really good, and there's otherstuff that I think is fake. But
like there's some I do like someof the clips from the Ericson Project The
Female Walking Away. Yeah, thatone's pretty intriguing. Or yeah, i'd
like to see him again. I'vespent many years since I've seen them,
but hopefully they'll make that public somedayand people can check it out. I've

(34:59):
seen I've seen game cam photos thatare that are good that are aren't released,
but not so much, not somuch video. All the stuff I've
heard that's insane. That's gonna blowmy mind when I see it. I'm
like, what are you looking at? Oh? I know, I've seen
so many blob squatches that people say, no, it's suggests every bit as
good as the Patterson give one film. You can see the fingernails and I'm

(35:20):
looking at it and say, Idon't see anything, man, what do
you? What are you on?The thermal footage? I saw that.
Hopefully I can find some time inmy archives from the Border Patrol that was.
That wasn't great footage, but Imean, you know, a thing
was fifty percent bigger than any otherperson on the screen. That's another I've
seen some good Yeah, I've seenthose good game cam photos from Oregon and

(35:44):
then Tennessee. Yeah, or whatabout the there was one from two or
three years ago that money Maker brieflyput on Twitter and I think he erased
it, or maybe it's still outthere from Georgia. The thing was walking
behind a deer feeder or something likethat. It was. I like that
one. I think that one's legit. That one's pretty cool. You know,
I'll go back. I like Ilike Joe Purdue's footage. That one's

(36:06):
not played very much. I thinkthat one deserves more attention, you know.
But yeah, but it's it's Idon't know that just doesn't receive the
attention or something like that. ButI think that one's pretty cool. Yeah,
that's good. There's a bunch,yeah there are. I like that
one that you sent from the AlaskanIndigenous people with that thing peeking over the
back of the ATV. That scaredthe hell out of me. Man,

(36:27):
that was scary. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of good ones.
There's a lot of pretty decent onesout there, and there's a lot of
really mediocre or poor ones as wellthat I think are real. Like one
mediocre one that I that I dolike, and I do think it's real,
even though other people give a lotof pushback to it. Is Moneymakers
pancake footage from the Erickson Project.Yeah, people have seen that, you

(36:49):
know, not very many. You'dbe surprised. I mean, I mean,
remember Bubble, We're dealing with peoplethat a lot of these people,
it wasn't for our podcast and acouple other things, they wouldn't know who
John Green is. They certainly,you know, they wouldn't They certainly don't
know what the pancake footage is orthe Ericson project. You know, a
lot of people are kind of newto the field because it just happened to
stumble upon their fascination with sasquatches relativelyrecently. They may not know anything about

(37:12):
the pancake footage. And it wasposted briefly on Cryptomundo back in the day,
a blog that I'm not even sureit's up anymore. I don't know.
Then all hell broke loose and therewere lawsuits around and all sorts of
nutty things happened, and then itwas taken down. So after that,
I think they got real touchy aboutposting things. So I'm not sure what's
going on with any of that,but I like the pancake footage and Moneymaker

(37:32):
got it. Matt got it.Matt has actually filmed them twice from what
I understand, the pancake footage,and he went through extraordinary efforts to get
that, extraordinary efforts to get that. I'm like the he put a camera
in inside of a trailer, ifI remember, right inside of a trailer

(37:53):
that was parked on the property,like one hundred and one hundred and fifty
yards away or more. The camerawas inside the cub in the kitchen in
the trailer on the back wall,with the door of the cupboard open,
looking out a open an open windowon the other side of the trailer through
a telephoto lens that was in allthe way in night vision with nine hundred

(38:15):
and forty animeters ir in illumination likeextraordinary lengths and got the footage, and
I guess he films a part ofone. He says it's terrible and you
can't really tell what it is,but he thinks it's legit or something like
that in Ohio back in the day. And I've never seen that footage,
although i'd like to, just ashe says, it's terrible and you can't
see anything, but I would stilllike to see it, just you know,

(38:35):
for the completest. I don't know, there's a lot of good footage
out there. I just looked upCrypto Mondo and the last thing he posted
was in February twenty twenty three.Oh really, Okay, well that's actually
more recent than I thought it wouldbe. That's interesting. Yeah, there's
some twenty there's about six from twentytwo, three, one from twenty twenty
one, and two or three fromtwenty twenty. Then twenty nineteen is when

(38:59):
he was really posting a lot interesting. And of course Craig will Heater is
the guy who runs that, andhe's been a guest on this podcast before
and maybe I don't know if helistens regularly or anything like that, but
wouldn't it be fun if he getthere some giant boost from our listenership to
go to cryptomndo And he says,why are all these people coming to the
all of a sudden If you goback to their stuff, that was the

(39:21):
site to go to you for along time. Oh yeah, it was
one of the best, one ofthe best back back in the Bigfoot Forum
days, you know, which isstill around as well, but it's not
not as many people go there asback in the day, you know,
No, not at all. Yeah, there were a couple of go to
websites that there were a lot offun to go check out back in the
day before Facebook ruined everything and tookeverybody away, all these different places.

(39:43):
All right, So is that forthat one? I think? So we
got Michelle Clark. Are there piecesof evidence that were presented to you during
the filming of Funny Big Thing thatyou have now determined to be fake?
Yeah, London Tracks, I thinkwe're a big part of it. The
producers, other producers. No,the producers are good. Well again,
you know, networks and production companies, they've got no dog in this fight.

(40:06):
You know, they don't care.They're just after the advertising revenue because
that's a business and that's the businessmodel. And they were foolish enough to
hire us, people who did careabout the subject and the evidence. All
sorts of shenanigans went on between us, man like we were just it might
say shenanigans, I mean, likedisagreements between us and them and whatever about

(40:27):
the evidence, because we were focusedon the evidence. As far as we're
concerned, we're going big footing onAnimal Planet's dime. And of course,
you know, production company and AnimalPlan in the network. Now, Animal
Planet was great. I don't wantI'm not talking smack about them at all,
but they were making a TV show. That's just the way it goes.
And I'm sure if they would havehired actors, they would have had
a much easier time filming things.But clearly we're not actors. You can

(40:50):
tell by you know, those rareoccasions where we had to actually act on
TV. But yeah, we werereal bigfooters, and the evidence was the
most important thing, even to thepoint where I hid evidence from the product
from the production company because they werejust going to put it back and put
it in their office, and Imade sure that they couldn't get their hands
on it before it was copied.They didn't like that. They were pretty

(41:13):
pissed at me. Too bad,Too bad. Luckily I went behind their
backs, gave the evidence to MattPreuet's mother, who they didn't know,
and then you know, worked outa deal with them later so we can
copy the cast and stuff that wegot. So it was squirreled away in
pizza boxes after Bobo and I destroyedsome pizza together, that's right. So

(41:37):
that's the second pizza box story that'sbeen told on this podcast. That was
November's only section, wasn't it.No, it was. It was included
as a hidden feature after the credit, So listeners, if you haven't heard
it, Happy hunting. There's onlytwo hundred and forty five previous episodes,

(41:57):
so get on it. Stay tunedfor more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Bogo. Will be right back afterthese messages. This is the last question,
by the way, and it isa porn man. It's a porn
man, Lance Underwood. Okay,well, some people are lucky enough to

(42:21):
be born with porn names, sowho knows. But anyway, Lance Lance
Underwood, this is your question.Hey guys, I was just listening to
the last few shows that I missedover the holidays, and Cliff was saying
that he doesn't think that a sasquatchwould have a twenty inch long foot.
I'm six foot six, three hundredpounds and I have a sixteen inch long

(42:42):
foot. I find it hard tobelieve that a large sasquatch wouldn't have a
way bigger foot than I do.Why is it that you believe that they
wouldn't have a larger foot. Igotta see this, guys, I got
to see this point measured at sixteeninches, it is a porn star all
right, right, well, youknow you know how the foot correlates,
right, good point. Now,Lance, I'd like to say that we're

(43:04):
not questioning your claim, but Ithink we actually are at this point.
Can you please send us a pictureof your foot next to a tape measure
that's figger than shack. That's insane. Yeah, because I have a pair
of Shaquilla and Eel's shoes in themuseum. Shaquilla and Eiel was briefly being
courted by Nike. He came toNike's place and they made him a pair
of shoes. He played basketball.He went with some other company, right,
but those shoes still existed, andthey ended up passing through one of

(43:27):
the employees to a person to LarryLund, who donated them to the museum.
And shacks feed are fourteen inches long, fourteen fourteen and a half inches
long, and he's seven to twoor something like seven foot one. He's
a big poy. So yeah,I would look. I mean again,
we're kind of questioning in the waywe're not, you know, but at
the same time, I'm mostly fascinated. Can you please put your foot down

(43:47):
next to a sixteen inch like ruler, well, you know that tape measure
of some sort and send that tome. I mean, I would love
to display that picture. I'd beyeah for presentations and stuff like there's a
human with a seen inch foot.But I think it's like, yeah,
measuring other things like some guys overestimateor embellish. Yeah, and you know
what, heck man, why don'tyou send me Send me an email North

(44:10):
American Bigfoot Center at gmail dot comthat goes to my museum. Send me
an email. I would like tospeak to you about getting a cast of
your foot. I think that wouldbe really cool. I remember when we
were down at the Film and Finda Bigfoot in Oregon. We had that
guy from Eugene who was the secondtallest man in organ He was seven foot

(44:31):
two if remember correctly. We havepictures of the guy and I asked him
to walk through the sand and Icast his footprints and they are about thirteen
and a half inches long. Theyare human as hell look, and they're
so narrow and long. Of course, yeah, yeah, so yeah,
I would love to have a castof your feet if they are actually sixteen
inches long. So Lance Underwood,if that is indeed your real name,

(44:52):
I would love you to reach outto me and we can arrange something.
I will pay for shipping and allthat other stuff I want to see or
feet. I don't think I've eversaid that to a band before, But
yeah, do they have twenty inchfeet? Maybe? But what I the
reason I doubt that is because thebig eight and a half footers tend to

(45:14):
have feet around the sixteen inch range. Okay, now sixteen inches and twenty
inches. Yeah, it's a fourinch difference. It's pretty that's a pretty
big difference for the most part.But what I really doubt is that people
have all these sorts of claims aboutexceptionally large feet and whatever, and in
some human minds that makes them morebelievable or like, oh my god,
listen to my story, I'm superbitch and you know, and so they

(45:36):
exaggerate and whatever else. The largerthe feet, the less likely it is
it'd be real. Most the vastmajority of mind I have, I think
probably technically at this point, thelargest Sasquatch footprint cast collection in the world,
and there's nothing close to twenty inches. The close sege is about eighteen
eighteen and a half, which Iguess is technically close to twenty inches,
and that particular cast was made bya fourteen inch foot. We know that

(45:59):
because we have other casts of thatsame individual's foot. So I think these
larger casts in the data set.And again I don't if I have a
cast as twenty inches, that's becausethere's overflow from the impression of the foot
itself. I think that people exaggerate, and I think that people don't even

(46:20):
big footers, the vast majority ofbig footers, almost nobody, I'll even
say, understands the dynamic interaction ofthe foot between and the substrate. You
know, they just don't understand that. So, oh, I got this
cast is a twenty inch print,you know. And then so you're trying
to convince me by saying it's big, a twenty inch print, it's so
big that it can't be human,I think is really what your argument is.

(46:43):
But do you understand how feet interactwith the soil as they move along,
especially up and down slopes. Idoubt that it took me decades to
really wrap my head around, youknow. And the reason I only reason
I am somewhat familiar with. Itis just the sheer number of casts I
have and how many times I've seenfootprints and casts and all that sort of
stuff. So yeah, it's itpossible they have twenty Yeah, sure man,

(47:05):
Yeah, sure, it's possible.Yeah, likely, I doubt it.
I think most Sasquatch footprints feet actualfeet. By the way, most
Sasquatch feet top out probably around thesixteen maybe seventeen inch range. Could be
wrong, but I've not seen anyevidence to convince me that I'm wrong.
But I sure would like to seeyour feet. If Lance at six foot
six has a foot that's twenty fivepercent longer than seven foot one Korea Abdul

(47:28):
Jabbar, I'll be amazed. Well, you know, I just looked.
I did a quick Google search.Here the world's largest foot ever recorded,
largest foot ever recorded belongs to aman named Robert Wadlow. Wadlow is one
of the most most famous people inthe world ever lay he stood eight feet
eleven inches tall. Yeah, hisshoe size was thirty seven double A and
each foot measured one point five fourfeet long, which comes out to eighteen

(47:52):
and a half inches. So Iguess it's possible. He could barely walk.
Yeah, yeah, that was aproblem. But uh, Lance Underwood
here, it is only six anda half feet tall. I guess it's
possible. It's definitely possible. ButLance, I really want to see your
feet, man, that's really coolif that's true, and again, email
me, email us, let usknow. And I want to get casts

(48:12):
of your foot to highlight the differencesbetween a large human foot and a sasquatch
foot. So yeah, please pleaseplease email me. I want to display
your foot cast in the museum.Who they got me all fired up?
All right, Well, there yougo, folks. There's That was the
last question for this month's Q andA, or at least the regular episode.
But when I are going to gooff and do the members section now,

(48:36):
or we just take questions from members, that'll be a lot of fun
as well. We get a littlelooser over in the member section, pipes
in a little bit more often,and there's a little bit less editing for
idiocy, which is probably the mostcommon kind of editing we do here.
If you would like your question answered, well, you got to ask us,
otherwise we won't answer it. Andthe way to ask us that question

(48:57):
is by going to the website,hitting the contact button and emailing us your
question, or you can even recorda voice message for us. I'm sure
the lovely and talented Matt Preu willput that link in the show notes below.
And it's a lot of fun.We really do enjoy these particular app
At least I really enjoy these episodesbecause we don't know the questions that are
coming. Matt prot hides all thatfrom us until we actually read it on

(49:20):
the screen in front of us andanswer it as we're recording. So it's
kind of a fun episode to dofor us here, Buba, Any last
thoughts before we split? No?Cool, me too, neither. All
right, okay, folks, thanksfor joining us again this week. Yeah,
send us in your questions, statements, whatever, praise, insults we
look at all. So until nextweek, y'all, keep it squatchy.

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