Ep. 250 - A Sasquatch Sighting in Oregon!

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hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Boobo.Fay, Cliff, I got your text
messages and the pictures looks like youhad a big weekend. Oh man,
I've been I've been running ragged,dude. It it's been nutty, nutty,
nutty. And we're gonna hear moreabout that today with our guests when
we bring them on in a fewminutes here. But yeah, let me
tell you it's it's been NonStop sincepretty much a week before the Meldrum event.

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And the Meldrum event was on thetwenty fifth of January. It's insane.
What have you been up to?Bobs? Everybody knows what I've been
doing, but what have you beenup to? Oh's out? A guy
came out from back East with hisson and he's cool guy. I think,
yeah, you've You've spoke to himon the phone before. He likes
to stay in the background, keephis name out of things. But we

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went out he wanted to check outsome spots on the coast here and go
to the Willow Creek Museum and thatsort of stuff. So we did that
and his son came out and joinedus. Really cool guy. So but
we had a good time. Imean, we definitely sat in some rain
and endured some of that. Butwe got up to uh, the Willow
Creek Bigfoot Museum up there, andthey got a new guy up. He's

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he's been there for probably a yearnow. He's retired law enforcement officer,
guy Eric, and he's got abrother, Chris. He's also a buddy
that I went out with last Novemberwhen I heard those three calls up in
Trinity when I was out there withhim and Poully looking for firewood and we
got the firewood. Yeah, Iheard those ones out there, So it
was he. His brother, Ericis now retired and he's working out there

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at Willow Creek and they got somebig plans to redo that place. He's
it's been staggered, it's been thesame for twenty years whatever. It's just
they haven't changed anything in there,and they've got stuff in the back room.
So they're gonna revamp the interiories he'sgonna he's in touch with one of
the big name guys from back inthe fifties and sixties, local guy that
was, you know, a contemporaryof Al Hodgson, whose son is a

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retired lagger, and he's gonna getus in a group meeting. We're gonna
all get together for lunch. Andhe says, oh, I know,
I know where they took the printsback in the sixties, you know,
down in High End Palm. Heknows exactly what those were casts. So
he's gonna take us to those spotsand h This guy, I guess is
a natural. I haven't spoke tohim personally yet, but I guess he's
a natural storyteller. And he's gota lot of info about Apparently his dad

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saw Roger and Bob when they cameout with Al Hotson. He they called
them, they called both those guys. His dad was there when they came
out when they before I went toEureka. And so I'm hoping to get
some really cool info and if ifhe's gonna kind of how it goes too,
and if we hit it off,I'm sure we will. He is
a meanable to coming on the podcast. Oh nice nice. I know who

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you're talking about. I had along conversation with this gentleman. He has
his own observations of Sasquatches. He'she was right there in the in the
middle of everything with the history ofit. That is going to be fantastic.
And you know, since you knowthese people at the Willow Creek Museum,
if you can go ahead and passon my information, if there's anything
I can do to help them out, anything at all, I'm happy to

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do that. Yeah. So,if there's anything I can do, go
ahead and pass on my number tothem. I'm happy to help out any
other museums. Yeah, it's kindof like I had to tell them,
like I said, Yeah, nowI'm kind of torn. You know.
I said, you're my first love, but I do love is the NABC,
and I kind of got to stickwith that, you know, like
if I get something really good,Oh, there's room for both. There's
room for both. There's no competitionin this because they're in California. I'm

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up here in the Portland area thatthere's there's plenty going on here. I'll
tell you that. You know,all that historical stuff should should be housed
down there in the area in whichit was found. I think that's really
amazing. You know, the tipmuscollection stands on its own. It is
one of the most fantastic things youcan put your eyes on if you're interested
in bigfoot stuff. And I'm thrilledto hear that they're going to augment the

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museum and perhaps update it, becauseyou know, I've gone through the drawers
there. You know, they've gota lot of stuff that isn't on display
and it's just been kind of sittingthere, and I think that they could
perhaps do something more with the museum, and I think that it's it's about
time they do. I'm thrilled tohear it. Yeah, I'm not.
You know, I noticed there wasstuff missing from the drawers because I've gone
through the drawers like a bunch oftimes, and we went through and again

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I was like, I know,there's some good casts that are missing out
of this, But I hope there'sjust upstairs wherever they're storage, you know,
you know, but he's trying toThey were looking at you. From
just the last year since he's beenthere, it's about ninety eight point five
percent of the people that come income in to see the Bigfoot collection and

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not like the you know, miningequipment and you know the typical you know
Wild West Museum, you know,mining the him type thing. So he's
trying to gently get a little morespace, maybe move out some of the
stuff from the mining stuff and putin more big foot things. So that's
what that's what I mean, givethe people what they want. That's what
people are there for. Yeah.Yeah, at the end of the day,

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I think that the Willow Creek stuffis best known for Bigfoot. I
mean, look around town at thestatues and the murals and all that other
stuff. I mean, Willow Creekis known for that and perhaps a little
bit less for prospecting in you know, oil lamps. Right right in the
foot of Cliff Cliff's doppelganger on thewall. Oh yeah, yeah, that's
super funny. Yeah, there's aguy on the wall that looks a lot

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like me. Man, But Imean I was I wasn't even born when
this, I mean when when hedied. You know. It's probably from
the nineteen twenties or earlier. Idon't even know when, but it's oddly
similar to me. If I hadmuch better taste and facial hair, I'll
send you a picture of that forhe has pretty great. We'll put it
on the social media's. Yeah,I've seen that picture. He does look

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like he died before you were born, and you've never been the same since.
I know, well at least youknow, I know where I was
in her previous life, as inWillow Creek, and he had a good
style back then, not like now. I look terrible. So so you
were out in the where did yougo, like up in the coast somewhere.
Did you got to go to theinterior or what were you thinking we
did? Because oh yeah, Wellso the first night we went into one
of my old spots, you know, up by Rowad National Park, and

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we went in and there was totallydead. I mean there was there was
rodents, There was rodents around,but you know, it's quite I said,
you know, it's contympically be dead. And you know it's usually twenty
forty five minutes at least until youknow, from when we stop and sit
down and just be quiet, wemight get some knocks or you know,
here's some stuff coming around us.We didn't hear anything. I was like,

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god, like it was dead,but I kind of felt like they
could have been around, like Iwasn't. I was like, it feels
like they could be around, butI'm not sure. Like and when I
was there too much earlier with Bart, remember I told you about we heard
those really late knocks that as theymoved up the creak away from us,
like really really subtle knocks, likethey weren't knocking for us at all,
that they were knocking so we couldn'thear them just for themselves as they moved

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away. So I was thinking,like, well, it's probably you know,
I think this theres from what Ican tell, is maybe a nursery
type area. And so we wentanyways, we left like one in the
morning whatever, and then say atone thirty, about a half hour we
left crack. He got on theaudio when he went back the next morning

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and gathered the audio, there wasabout a dozen different knocks, I mean
solid knocks, and where he putthe we were hiking out about a mile
out whatever it was, say itwas a mile, and where you're hiking
a mile, stuff happens. Andthen near the where you start hiking at
that is the other spot where we'vehad activity, but nothing in this like

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it's a dead zone for like youknow, three quarters of a mile.
There's nothing ever happens in there,like ever. And he hung three recorders
and the middle one was in thedead zone and the knocking went on for
I think he said twenty minutes orso. But the interesting thing was the
last knock was like a power knock, and it was right by the recorder,

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Like they came into this area thatI thought they didn't come into,
and they were. That was thelast power knock. It was a full
power knock near the recorder. Sothat was cool to know that they were
problem. I mean, they mayhave came in after we left, but
I think they were there the wholetime, and after we left they just
did their thing. Yeah, maybethey're onto you. They like they kind

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of like, oh, these guysare going to hang out in the dark
for a while, Like they've seenyou enough. You're in there, you
know fairly often they might know youpersonally by now, in which case they're
onto you and they're just waiting foryou to leave because that's what you usually
do at some point, right Yeah, yeah, Okay, So our guest
today is Doug Shay. He isa recent witness. He saw a sasquatch

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basically and almost en route to aSasquatch conference, which is crazy, but
you know, weird things have happened. And so Doug, thank you very
much for coming on Bigfoot and beon today and then being willing to share
your story with us. That's aDoug all doing well. Good to hear
from y'all. And yeah, itwas. I was almost afraid to even

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report it at first because of thefact that it was so close to squatch
Fest, but I'm glad we didbecause it sounds like it's been yielding some
really good results. Well, Iget where you're coming from, because you
know, back in the day,I saw something that was dark and upright
with an arms swing and on mywhile being driven to the Texas Bigfoot Conference.
And to this day I wonder ifthat was a sasquatch or not.

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But you know, obviously I don'tknow for sure. It was such a
great distance. But also the factthat I was on my way to the
Texas Bigfoot Conference and you know,with bigfooters in the front seat, I
just kind of thought, like noone would believe me anyway, So like
whatever, man, So I totallyget your hesitancy to bring this up.
But I'm so glad you did well. Thank you. I knew that I

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could talk to you about it becauseand Carrie also were really glad that we
were able to talk to you aboutthe siding. And Todd was a little
disappointed because he was down lower.But and it's funny because we weren't even
going to end up in that areabecause we first tried the Mount Saint Helen's
area first. But there was somuch snow and it was just there was
all kinds of road damage. Iactually had a bad migraine that day,

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and it was on Thursday, sowe're kind of glad. We decided we
saw there was going to be norain for about three or four hours,
so we said, let's just jeton down into Oregon and see if we
can stir up something. When youcame up to my table at squatch Fest
on Friday and you told me aboutit, I said, we saw a
sasquatch, So what really? Really? Okay, that's interesting. And I

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said, okay, well, wherewas this either some road crossing or something
on the five or you know,or what was going on? And you
said, oh yeah, I wasup at you know, kind of in
the area of Sandy Ridge Trail andI go, oh my god, that's
right up the road from my home. You know, those are those are
my bigfoots, so to speak.You know, those are the ones that
probably cruise through my neighborhood occasionally,because you know, over the years on

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the podcast here, I've kind ofmentioned when I think that sasquatches might have
been nearby, you know, eitherscaring my wife inside or some knox or
vocalizations that I've personally heard on myproperty, and I think, oh my
gosh, those are probably the sameones. And I've done several, like
numerous investigations obviously all up and downthe ridge there just a little further up

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in rhododendron. I think I've nowinvestigated maybe four or six or more road
crossing sidings on Highway twenty six.There's been stuff up on Lolo Pass Road
forever, and those are that's allright there in the neighborhood. In fact,
this is kind of kind of weird, I guess, and some for
serendipoitous perhaps, But just today weacquired another part of another historical collection.

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The guy's still alive or whatever,and there's more to come, So I'll
save all that until later at somepoint, but about two file boxes full
of things like the track record andsome photographs and personal correspondences from Peter Burrn
because he was a good friend,that Peter Burns, and all this other
stuff. And I was kind ofleafing through a lot of that stuff today
getting it organized, and lo andbehold, I ran across footprint finds and

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sightings and some other things, allfrom the Welches and lo Low Pass area,
which is pretty much ground zero foryour sighting. So yeah, that
the history has been there for along time and obviously still continues to this
day. Well maybe not this day, but you know last week, which
is pretty much this day, Ithink, sir to say. Yeah,
So I was blown away when yousaid that, when you said the location,

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because you don't know where I live. You don't know anything about like
the history of this area because youguys live in California. So when you
said that, I was thrilled.And of course we went out there on
Sunday with you as well. Butnow I've heard the story, I've been
to the siding location with you,I've done the investigation, I've done all
sorts of stuff up there. ButBobo, I don't think has heard it
from your lips. So why don'tyou tell the Buds and Bobo what transpired

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that day? Okay, that soundsgreat. Yeah, well, we had
driven up Wednesday. We had actuallygone to the NABC and had showed them
one of the casts that we took, which we also showed you at the
squatch Best. So Thursday, wethought, we got here day early,
we're going to do a little squatching, and we originally were going to go
up to Mount Saint Helen's and we'regoing to try to just find a spot.

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But it was two feet plus thesnow. Everywhere you went. You
couldn't hardly get off the road becauseof the snow plows, and it was
raining the whole time, and soTodd said, why don't we head down?
And I had a migraine that daytoo, and I wasn't feeling that
good. So that's funny how thingsturn out like that. But anyway,
Todd goes, hey, I noticedthat the weather's breaking in Oregon around Mount

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Hood area, So why don't wejust go down there? And we don't
know the area, but we thought, well, let's just go up the
highway there and just take a roadand see what happened. So we went
up at first, but there wasjust way too much ice and snow,
so we turned back and ended upin the area that you mentioned, and
we noticed there was a place thatyou could park and there was a lock

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gate, and so we saw theroad and we said, hey, let's
just walk up this road. Sowe started walking up and we were doing
some tree knocks. We didn't doany calls or anything. Well, we
heard a knock. Carrie and Toddmyself heard one knock, and then we
got up i'd say a half mileor so, and we had left the
car probably around two o'clock, andso we were up that road about a

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half mile or so, and allof a sudden, Carrie I was up
in front of Carry. Carrie wasin the middle, and Todd was down
below. And we're up that roadand there's a bend up there just ahead,
and Carry goes, I just hearda tree knock, and both me
and Todd go we didn't hear it. And then all of a sudden,
he looked over to his left atthe time he goes, do you guys

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see that? And I was justlike looking around, and all the sudden
I saw something just move upright,saw its arm swinging. It's kind of
deep as far as brush there withthe trees with the different forage down there,
and there was snow on the groundtoo, But that thing moved faster,
and I've seen anything move. AndI saw its head, I saw

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its arm swaying. It didn't lookat me, but Carrie said it actually
was standing by a tree and theymade eye contact and then it just took
off, and so carry goes,did you see that? And I went
and I hesitated because I was tryingto just process in my mind what I
was seeing, because I was like, oh, my goodness, I am

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seeing a sasquatch. And then Isaid, yes, I saw it.
And Todd was a little bummed becausehe was a little lower, so he
didn't have quite as good view wherehe was because that thing just moves so
quick between the trees, and itgot lost because of all the different other
foliage from some evergreen trees in thearea. And so I saw it probably

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only it seemed like a decent amountof time, but it was probably only
about two seconds. And it wastall, because I thought it was shorter
till you were standing out there onSunday, and then I realized how much
bigger it was, So I'd sayit had to be in the seven and
a half to eight foot range basedon being there that second time on Sunday.

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Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyondwith Cliff and Bobo. Will be
right back after these messages. Now, when you saw this going down,
One of the questions I wanted toask you after thoroughly studying the event,
by the way, is when yousaw it running, could you hear it

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running? No? I couldn't hearit running. It was just gliding.
I mean I heard something you heardrustling that It wasn't like a loud like
it's loud sound, and I thinkit's probably because the snow was helping to
lower the percussion of it. AndI was just amazed on how I've never
seen anything move so fast. Howfar were you from it? And like,

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how how long a distance you thinkit covered? You see it go
for twenty yards or forty yards orI think it covered probably twenty to forty
yards and we were approximately i'd saythirty yards from where we saw it.
We were pretty close. That's close. Yeah, it was close. Actually
I measured it when I've gone backthere twice since I last saw you.

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The distance from where I met wherethe footprints were found and the road was
sixty yards okay, sixty yards Okay, a little bit more of sixty three
or something like that, but itwas about between sixty sixty five yards.
Well, that helps explain it,because man, you know, when you
look at see I'm not a verygood judge a distance when it comes out
being in the woods, and thatjust shows right there, because to me

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it looked like pretty close. Butsixty yards that makes sense, But yeah,
it was. I'm glad you gotthat. That's another reason I want
to start measuring things and doing thingsso that we can get really accurate.
So sixty yards still close though,Yeah, yeah, Well you know what,
I'm part of the thing, andI've been thinking about this kind of
a lot, and I'm when wewent out there on Sunday. Okay,

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So let's back up a little bit. At squatch Fest. You told me
about this stuff, and I'm thinking, of course, you saw a sasquatch.
When I have a working obligation forthe next two days and I can't
get out there, that's the waythings go. How that's Murphy's law,
which is why Murphy is called Murphyin our Bigfoot Museum. Something's always going
wrong. Great opportunity, and I'vegot to work and shake hands and talk
to people and stuff like that insteadof going out to the woods. So

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anyway, when we got out thereon Sunday, of course Matt and Emily
prut there were guests at my home, so they came out with us.
And of course, how cool isthat to out and you know, I'm
visiting, visiting Oregon, and Iget to go on a sasquatch you know,
investigation that happened two or three daysago. That's pretty cool. But
so anyway, we met you ateleven o'clock on Sunday morning after coming home

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from Longview and went up there,and when you put me in the place
that you thought it was, itwas a lot closer. Well, the
place you put me was closer thanwhere the animal actually was, and we
know that because we found footprints furtherback. So when you said you were
guessing it was thirty yards or soin the woods, that was you probably

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put me at thirty or forty yardsand then nothing was there. So we
looked around and we identified the trackwaywe cut the trail. Basically, we
found the track, so where thething was running. I think I may
have found the area where it wasactually standing when the first visual carry I
think saw it first. I thinkwe found that area because there's a big
push down area in the ferns wherethere's a little bit of snow still and

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all that jazz. You guys actuallyfound the first track in the snow,
which I thought was really cool aswell. But what struck me is like,
oh yeah, usually the witness putsme in the wrong spot first,
and very often it's actually closer tothe witness than the sasquatch was actually standing.
And I've been kind of contemplating that, and I think the reason for

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that is because they're big animals,and they look like they're closer because they're
so big. But because this isa pretty big sasquatch. You said,
seven and a half eight feet tall. The footprints measured about fifteen inches,
you know, so at least fourteenand a half, probably in the fifteen
inch range, give or take alittle bit, based on the you know,

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numerous tracks that we found in theground. So that kind of occurred
to me as like, oh yeah, of course they're going to put me
closer than the actual sasquatch because youknow, they're you know, pipsqueak.
Little Cliff, who's five foot eightis a lot smaller than that sasquatches,
and they're going to think that thesasquatch is closer because they're so big.
You know, that makes perfect sense. And I'm just really glad that,

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you know, we were looking backand thinking maybe we should have looked at
the snow prints, but it waslike four o'clock in the afternoon and we
had to get back to our hoteland long View, And I'm kind of
glad due to the fact that ourresearch capabilities are not up to your level
at this point, though we're learningwe might have just like destroyed the whole

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trackway, So I'm so glad wein a way. I mean, the
only drawback was the fact that itdecided to pour for three days, so
it probably damaged some of the tracksa little. But no, that was
you know, I never expected i'dsee it, but it was amazing.
If you had gone out there toinvestigate the snow prints, you may have

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run into something unexpected because what wefound is from the place where you guys
said you saw it. It wasrunning to your left. Okay, now
tracking that a little bit towards thehill where you said that it was running
towards another fifty sixty I don't know. I'm not very good at distance,
so probably another maybe i'll say sixtyor eighty yards or so, maybe one

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hundred, I don't know. Inthat direction I lost its trail. I
have no idea where it went.But the last thing I found, and
you saw this, and Matt Prueand Emily's Prude as all they saw this
as well. The thing sat downthat it did not leave the area immediately,
at least I've certainly left the areaeventually. But it did not leave

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the area immediately because we found theplace in the ferns where the thing put
its butt down. We didn't finda butt print, but we did find
two, actually three hand prints tothe left and right of where all these
ferns were pushed down. There wasone on the right hand side and two
on the left hand side. Nowsome of you might be saying, wait,

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sasquatches don't have three hands. Well, you know one hand can touch
the ground twice, right, Soyeah, so there were three handprints two
in the left and one of theright of where the ferns were pushed down,
indicating that the thing probably sat downnext to this log in the ferns.
So the thing might have been therejust waiting for you to leave that

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if you had gone out in thesnow to look at the footprints, you
may have come across a little bitmore than you bargained for. Well,
that is good information. No,I'm really glad that occasionally we might listen
to our inner self and saying,maybe it's not a good idea to go
in there. I'm glad we didn'thad a great idea. That's exactly you

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know, you want to go inthere. Well, that's something that's something
for us to consider, Like ifanybody out there listening or you know,
us here blabbing, if any ofus see a sasquatch, like just throwing
an idea out there. So wehave a using a scientific method here,
we have a little bit of datathat the thing sat down. Yeah,
I mean I think it's safe toassume for moreton maybe a few seconds or

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maybe a few minutes, who knowshow long. We don't know, but
we do know it sat down.What if that is a normal behavior for
sasquatches after they're observed, like theyleave, they presumably leave the area and
then sit down again. Remember,according to doctor Grover Krantz in his book
Bob Tittmans tracked Patty after Roger andBob saw the thing, And what did
it do? It left the areaand then immediately circled down again and sat

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down and watched Roger and Bob castthe prince or do whatever they are doing
on the sandbar that day. Well, this animal, this animal split and
ran off to your left, youknow, towards the hill and then sat
down. How far was it satdown? About sixty yards sixty seventy yards
or more or something like that.That's it. Yeah, So what if

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this is normal sasquatch behavior. Whenpeople think that the sasquatch has left the
area, they usually do too becausethey're shaken up and a little scared at
the time. But what if that'snot happening. But Patty went for like
a couple miles. No, shedidn't. She went a few hundred yards
and went up the hill, wellon that rock face where Bob tracked her
down the hill or up the riverand then up the rock face and then

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that's where he stopped and turned aroundand went back to Roger, and then
the thing went up at one hundredand seventy five yards from where Roger and
Bob were and watched them. Accordingto Bob Timmas and Bob Gimlin's account,
I thought she went up like halfa mile and cut up, or I
think came back like a quarter mileand was overviewing him or something like that.
Bob Gimlin said that he tracked herbut by on the wet footprints on

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the rocks up the Bowling Alley northof the Patterson Gablin film site to a
rock wall that she scaled directly up, having gone up and down there several
times. There's only one option forthat that I'm aware of at least,
and it is about, I don'tknow, three hundred yards up the up
the you know, I'm guessing.Again, distance is a little weird for
me, but it's way it's beforethe turn up by Scorpion Creek. But

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the point is it left the areauntil she felt safe and then scooted around.
But again, data point of onlytwo is much to go on,
but I'm just putting that out there. What if this is normal sasquatch behavior.
Maybe we as witnesses and researchers aremissing an opportunity to see the thing
again. I think they always dothat. I've always thought they just they
don't just take off for miles.They just go till they're safe, and

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then they observe again because they're observers. Yeah, but this thing was not
very far so anyway, pretty interestingstuff. Yeah, sixty hours, that's
nothing. That's powerful information that hasbeen unlocked. It's speculation, to be
fair, it's just speculation at thispoint, but it's an interesting thing to
check. You know, if somebodyhas the guts to follow the sasquatch a
little bit away from where they observedit, maybe they'd find the things sitting

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there, hiding there, waiting foryou to go away. You know.
Yeah, that makes sense because deereven do that type of behavior. I've
noticed a lot of times deer willgo at certain distance and stop and look
around. So it shouldn't be surprisingthat sasquatch would do something like that too,
because it probably figures we're out ofits sight and they can just kind

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of regroup. And that is reallygood information, and it was hidden so
well in that that area too,So well, Bobo, I think I
will in the future try your method. I don't always do that, but
I just know that you're here,take off, you know, and then
they just stop like there's just notanother sound. But I know that they

(27:22):
can slip away, like see,you don't know if they're there or not,
because there's they can go so silentmode. But sometimes you hear like
crutch, crunch, crush, andthey go off a distance and then they
just there's just no more noise,like there's just they're sitting there. So
yeah, but I don't think that. I don't think they run for miles.
I think they just go to theirsafe. They feel like, okay,
I can watch, I can safe. They look from here, see

(27:42):
what happens. Well, no,when you guys, after you guys saw
this, I'm curious, put yourselfback in that place where you're you observe
the thing running from right to left. There's a few moments pass and you're
and you're probably it's one of thoselike holy crap sort of moments. Right,
what did you do immediately afterwards?Because this has bearing on sasquat behavior

(28:03):
at this point, So what werewhat were you guys doing immediately seconds and
for the next few minutes after seeingthe animal. Well, first of all,
we just kind of discussed it alittle bit, like Carrie and I
were talking and Tom was going,I didn't see it, and so then
we walked We ended up walking upa little further. Actually, we walked

(28:26):
up a little further around the bend, and then we said, hey,
it's getting later because it was goingto start raining again and we knew we
had to make it up to longView, and so we just started walking
down the trail again. And Iwas constantly looking over to my right now
since we were going down the trailand they were too, and just hoping

(28:47):
that it would be flushed out somemore. But there was nothing interesting.
Okay, yeah, so maybe it'sset. I mean I wish, of
course, you can't tell how longsomething was there, unfortunately, but sure
would like to know how long itwatched you guys for, because it didn't
run very far, unless you know, there's another possibility that crossed my mind
when I was out there looking atsign unless there was another one there.

(29:10):
We don't know that. So Ithink too the fact that when we got
there Sunday and Matt found that elkcarcass too, and there was a lot
and there was a lot of deerthere too, as like it seemed like
prime habitat. And so maybe that'sanother reason I didn't want to leave,
because it liked its ground that ithad staked there. I'm not sure.

(29:33):
I don't know their behavior well enough, but yeah, and it's so ironic
because here we're in northern California,getting closer and closer to some in our
area based on just the activity we'rehaving, and it was so ironic,
of all places I saw it inOregon. Yeah. Yeah, So so

(29:55):
how long would you estimate after thesiding were you in the area after so
you walked up a little further,you came back it. There's some discussion
obviously, how many minutes do youthink you were actually in the area.
Probably close to thirty minutes. Andwe were just looking around and because we
went up a little further and wewould talk about it, and then we

(30:17):
started walking down stop, look toour right, look for anything else,
trying to hear noises. We didn'tdo any more tree knocks after that.
We didn't hear anything, but andthen eventually we made our way back down
the hill and jumped into our vehicleand we were Actually it's kind of funny
because when we drove by the NABC, we saw a bunch of cars there

(30:41):
and Todd goes, hey, shouldwe report it? And I go,
now, I look at all thosecars. Plus I don't feel that good.
We can just talk to them atsquatch Fest. And little did we
know until later that Meldrum was there, and so that's pretty interesting. Yeah,
that was January twenty fifth, twentytwenty four. We had an event
here at the NABC. See Iwas here, obviously, and doctor Meldrim

(31:03):
was here, and so was MichaelFreeman and Tom Powell and Ken Gerhardt and
Matt and Emily Prutz. All sortsof folks were here, just all sorts
of people. And if you wouldhave come, it would have been very
disruptive to our evening. I guaranteethat, because they said, all right,
everybody go home, we're gonna upromthe hill right now. So in
a way, I'm kind of gladyou didn't come, because we would,

(31:23):
you know, would have destroyed theentire evening. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot
and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.We'll be right back after these messages,
I wanted to get a little moredescription of what you saw, like I

(31:45):
like color patterns, hair length,like facial features, like the broadness of
it, like a muscle definition,all that kind of stuff. Okay,
Yeah, for me, it waskind of funny because Carrie, I said,
what did it look like? Andhe goes, well, it was
a really distinct brown with white.He saw some white like I don't know
if it was on its chin,because he said it actually was standing by

(32:07):
that tree and they made eye contactand so and I said, well,
I looked at it as more likea reddish brown. But he found he
started going through the internet and founda picture of one that's obviously an artist
depiction. He goes, this iswhat I saw, And I go,
you know, a long hairy becauselike I saw the hair hanging on its

(32:30):
arm when it was moving, andI mean, it was just darting through
those trees. I've never seen anythingso quick. It's kind of a like
a brown, a lighter brown thatmaybe was aging. I don't know,
but I once we looked at apicture that he'd showed me to go,
that's what I saw. So Isaw, I saw its hair. I

(32:52):
didn't really see its legs too wellbecause it was moving so fast and because
of the foliage the way it's setup, it was probably up to its
knee or something or less. Andthen I saw its head from the side.
It never looked at me, butit definitely had broad shoulders, long
hair, and then I just sawthat arm moving really quick and it was

(33:15):
just gone in a flash. ItIt's so weird how your mind when you
see something like that and you're justlike trying to basically, Okay, what
am I seeing. That's not adeer. I've seen a million deer hopping
through the woods. That's not anelk. I've seen elk in the woods.
It's not a bear. That isan upright creature moving swiftly. It

(33:38):
just moved quicker than I expected.But I did get a good side view
of it, and it had hairI would say probably in the range of
six inches, maybe a little longerthan that. It had definitely a coned
head, big head into broad shoulders, and I just saw that arm moving
quickly and was gone before I hardlycould even just what my mind just saw.

(34:06):
And I'm glad CARRY got a straighton view. And that's why when
he said, did you see that? And I hesitated. He was like
worried no one else saw it becausehe lost it after it saw him.
It just took off and he couldn'tfind it again. But fortunately I was
up about probably thirty feet forty feet, so I had a really good view,

(34:27):
better view of what of those woodsover there that were to our left
at that time. It was kindof my left right because I was kind
of starting to look at it justtake off through those trees, and I've
just you know, they always saythey're almost like gliding there so quick.
That's that's what I would describe it, going in between the trees. And
I mean, I think there wasa little bit of noise, but I

(34:51):
think I was so focused on whatI was seeing. I didn't even my
auditory brain weays were not even justpaying attention to the noise that was going
on, because it just it's it'sjust weird when you actually see something like
this and you're going, like,wow, am I seeing what I'm seeing?
But I knew what it was.There's nothing no animal I've ever seen

(35:14):
done has done that. And I'mout. I'm a very outdoors person.
I've seen so many bears in mylife and other creatures in the wilderness.
Even seen a couple of mountain lions. Yeah, it was none of those.
It was definitely a sasquatch, andso kind of shakes you to your
foundations when you see something like that. Yeah, it's funny. You're going

(35:35):
to shock, like you're talking tobefore, Like your brain goes like a
really quick rollout, decks like likewhat am I looking at it? You
go through like all the animals superquick, like no, no, no,
no bear or no elk no dear. It's just and then you're like,
oh, like it just comes tome. You're like, oh my
god, I just saw a freakingsquatch. YEP, it was kind of
funny. A friend of ours hadsome pictures like a few days later when

(36:00):
return from squatch Fest, and hegoes, yeah, it's funny how people
will say you misidentified it. Hegoes, I'm going to do a little
experiment with you, and he hadsome pictures on a on a thing.
He says, I'm just going toshow you and turn it around and see
if you can identify it. Andhe did it to me, and I
identified every one of them in justthat flash. So there's no misidentification here.

(36:22):
You know, your brain process itvery quickly. But yeah, I
liked your explanation. Like a rollodex. That's just your mind is just going
like what am I seeing? Thisis crazy because it just doesn't fit,
doesn't fit what you expect. Well, you know what might shake your cage
a little harder. Think about howfast you saw the animal running. Okay,

(36:45):
you've stated several times at you werejust kind of astonished. I guess
at how quickly it moved. Okay. Now, there have been track finds
that have a step length. Astep, of course, is left to
right or right to left, whereasa stride is from right to right or
left or left. It's in slightlydifferent nomenclature here. There have been track

(37:07):
finds with a step length of nineor ten feet or so, you know,
give or take a little bit,which is, you know what,
one hundred and twenty inches. Right, The average step length that I found
in the trackway out there at yoursiding location was about fifty two inches.
So it wasn't even running, youknow, so I consider that it wasn't

(37:30):
it wasn't all an ass. Wow. Yeah, So if that doesn't shake
your cage, I don't know whatwould. So you might have seen this
scene going fifteen miles an hour ormore, which is pretty fast for something
in the woods, you know,but it they're capable of much much faster
than that, especially with such longstep lengths. So most of the tracks

(37:50):
that we found were about fifteen ori'm sorry, fifty two or so inches
apart, give or take a littlebit. That's what we were using for
the tracking stick length ffty two inches, and that's how we found most of
the tracks. So even after yousaw it, you know, and of
course there were some areas in therewhere we didn't pick up tracks. The
thing about this trackway like from thevery as far back as we can track

(38:13):
it to the very last place thatwe know that it was, it was.
I did the measurement so on myGPS, I don't have the number,
but I bet it was about onehundred and twenty or so yards,
maybe one hundred and fifty two hundredyards at the most. So you it
probably ran just for a little ways. And there were there were three or
four tracks in a row, maybetwo or three because you saw me like,

(38:36):
oh, here's a track, andI pointed, there's one and there's
one. That kind of stuff.We'd find two or three in a row,
then we'd lose it, lose itfor little ways, and then pick
it up again a little further away. So maybe it was running, Maybe
it did run the whole way.We don't really know. We don't really
know. But we were using fiftytwo inches on the track and sick to
find consecutive tracks. So when youcompare that to you know, like,

(38:59):
you know, one hundred or onehundred and twenty inches, that's pretty nuts.
That is wow. Just from whatI'm hearing in the research you've done
after. It just shows you areunlocking I think some really important things that
we need to think about in thefuture when we're looking for these. I
think we don't we haven't scratched thesurface obviously, and just what the capabilities

(39:22):
of these I don't know. Iguess North American apes is what I would
describe a sasquatch as. But thatis amazing. I wish that we had
a really terrible storm a few weeksago, and the further back I track
this thing, the more obscured thepossible prints became, to the point where

(39:44):
under the trees there was there waslike legit, like an inch or more
of furboughs and whatnot from the dugfurs that in the area and whatnot,
and the lake flitter was everywhere.Anyway, It's terrible. It's hard tracking
this thing, and I'm not agood tracker, so I mean, there's
probably sign out there that I miss, of course. But when you went
back under the tree canopy where thisthing came from, it came from the

(40:05):
direction of the river as near asI can figure, at least the first
track in the trackway was indicating thatif we didn't have that storm, I
may have been able to track itback even further. But the ground was
largely obscured under the fur boughs thathad dropped. Unfortunately. I wish that
wasn't the case, but it isso. But you know, one of
those things, did any fingers someof those handprints, these handprints have yes

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and no. It was largely inleaf litter, you know. So that's
the problem, and a lot ofthe research areas I've been working there is
a good layer of leaf litter.Unfortunately, those alder trees drop all those
big leaves, and sometimes you cansee the impressions in the leaf litter and
then you remove the leaves and thenlike there's space under the leaves and that

(40:52):
it didn't impress into the ground aswell. So actually, I've been doing
some experiments where I've been casting onleaf litter sometimes and then I've been casting
after I remove the leaf litter tosee if any indentations happen in the ground.
And I'm not sure which way isany better at this point, because
when you pour plaster on top ofleaf litter, there's cracks in a leaf
litter, and it fills in thespace underneath, and a lot of times

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it just ruins any sort of definitionthat might be there. These particular casts,
the three handprints, one of themis awful. You can't make heads
or tails out of it. Theother two are kind of interesting. The
right hand side, the right handliterally the right hand when I poured it
in there a lot of the plasterleaked through the leaf litter and kind of
made this big blob underneath, butyou can see hints of where the see

(41:37):
indications of where the fingers were aboveit. The other one was interesting and
it was much closer to the soil, so it's actually a little bit better
casts, but Unfortunately. What happenedon that one is I poured it on
top of I cleared off the looseleaf litter, and where I thought it
was in contact with the ground,I poured plaster on that, and some
did leak through. But you knowwhat happened, The plaster went into a

(42:00):
mole tunnel, you know, likethe rod the moles, you know,
like it filled up a mole tunnel. So I have like a plaster can
of this mole burrow underneath where thehandprint was, so it's a handle.
Yeah, you would think that likethe pressure of the hand would have crushed
the mole borough, but it's justnot the case. I mean. But

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that was also the hand that wasfurther away from like from where the animal
was sitting, presumably sitting. Somaybe that was just a touch on the
ground real fast and not a lotof pressure happened there. I don't really
know. But what's interesting is thatthat that cast has almost like a two
story sort of thing, like atwo layer effect on it. The mole

(42:43):
burrow is one layer, and thenon the other layer, like closer to
the surface, you can actually seethe fingers, so that you can see
fingers in that one but you don'tget a good palm because the burrowing of
the animal. Unfortunately, the molewas underneath it, but it got I
believe that the hands were about eightinches wide, so they are right in

(43:04):
there what we'd expect. I suspect, I don't know. I suspect this
is probably a male. I didn'tyou know it's a fifteen inch print.
I think most male footprints are betweenfifteen and sixteen inches long. I think
the seventeens are rare or slide inand outs, or that the you know,
distortions of the impression itself. SoI think, based on the eyewitness

(43:27):
description and the footprints, that thisthing was a male. But I could
be wrong. I don't know.I don't know much about these animals.
I just try to like to learnabout them. I think we're learning more
though. You uncovered a lot ofhistory there that if you hadn't searched this
find, we wouldn't know well.And I so appreciate you bringing us to

(43:49):
the location. But whenever, andthis is something for the researchers out there,
I guess, including you because you'rea researcher, Doug, that when
you go to a siding location withthe witness, do everything you can while
you're there, but go back laterwithout the witness, and it's nothing weird.
And I'm not saying you're a prettysuspicious, shady guy, Doug.
I'm not saying that at all.I'm saying that sometimes, you know,

(44:09):
you learn what you can from thewitness and then go without them and learn
what you can without the witness there. Because we didn't backtrack it when you
and I were there together with thepro. We backtracked it the next day
when Keith and I went out theretogether. And if you can, if
you can find more information without thepresence of the witness, you can be

(44:31):
fairly sure that the witness knows nothingabout it, you know. And I
don't doubt for a second that yousaw sasquatch because there were footprints everywhere,
you know. I mean that's justone of those things, you know.
But finding stuff without the presence ofthe witness, without the witness's knowledge that
that stuff is there, that addsan entirely new layer of authenticity to the

(44:52):
encounter. And so I recommend everysasquatch investigator, Yeah, go there the
witness, learn what you can,and then go there later without the witness
to see what you can figure out. I went there twice without you.
I've been to the site three timesnow, coming back with casts every single
time because this is a wonderful opportunityto learn a little bit about the local

(45:15):
bigfoots in the neighborhood. Stay tunedfor more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and
Bogo. We'll be right back afterthese messages. I'm so glad you've found
those things, because you know,when you have a siding and you know

(45:35):
you had it, but there's stillthat part of you like, Okay,
was my mind just running wild orsomething, you know, because it just
it kind of it's like you seeyourself in a different state, you know,
when stuff like that happens. Andto have you go back and find
even more, it just it's justlike, Wow, I'm just so glad

(45:58):
we told you because you're unlocking moreinformation that we need to know about these
creatures and why it's so imperative thatwe find it. So people just don't,
you know, render it harm assome seem to want to do.
I think we're lucky to find anything. I mean, you know how hard
it rained up at Longview apparently didthe same thing down here. So the

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rain was just dumping for two daysbasically, Peter, you know you saw
it on Thursday. We were thereon Sunday, Saturday. It was Friday
and Saturday just dumped down here apparently, So we're lucky to have found anything
at all. Of course, thesnow was all gone by the time we
got there, or more or lessgone. We did find that one print
in the snow with the big toeand all that jazz. But I think
we're lucky to have found anything,So thank you so much for reporting it

(46:44):
so quickly and letting us have theopportunity to get out there before time.
Erosion and the weather took care ofall the data that could have been gathered
that we did gather at the site. Absolutely cool. Yeah, I'm looking
forward to go down here because Ilive like twenty minutes these guys. Yeah,
Bobs, we're gonna definitely plan onmaybe not this weekend, but I

(47:07):
think possibly the next weekend on aSaturday, where we're going to try to
get up there, so we'll seeif we can. Uh well, we'll
give you a heads up on itand we'll plan. Todd's all ready to
take us in his truck. Andwe'll head up and see what we can
find. Well, I know,I know, thanks for coming on board.
That's a cool story. Now,I'm glad you got that setting,

(47:28):
and I'm glad you got Cliff involvedand you got some casts and it's like
that, that's a productive setting.It came up with some results and part
evidence. Well, I'm just gladthat we were I'm glad Todd talked us
into going earlier so that we hada chance to do that. And it
was really nice meeting Matt and EmilyPruitt too. They're definitely hardcore squatchers,

(47:52):
you know. It's just nice tobe in the community and get to know
the different ones. And like youhad mentioned, I know we're wrapping this
up, but I really appreciated,you know, Mike Freeman's story, and
that was amazing just hearing the historyof what he went through and all the
findings. It's just just seems likewe're getting closer to helping people to realize

(48:15):
this isn't just a fantasy, it'sreality. It's hard to imagine a squatch
your weekend than the one you experienced. Yeah, that's for sure, and
I wanted to keep gome common though, well, actually it kind of has.
On Friday, when I was upthere alone, you know, casting
the hand prince and whatnot. Onthe way back up the car, I

(48:37):
got a call from a good friendof mine who saw two sasquatches at the
research location that I frequent. So, yeah, my weekend didn't stop with
your stuff. My weekend's been goingon for two weeks now and it's been
crazy. I actually hope somebody doesn'tsee a sasquatch this week so I can
have two days off in a row. That's great. Doug, thank you

(48:58):
so much for coming on and sharingyour story with us and the listeners.
We really really do appreciate it.I can't tell you how thankful I am
that you shared your story with methat Friday night at squatch Fest and allowing
me to opportunity to gather information onthe local sasquatches that are sometimes probably literally
in my backyard. That really meansa lot to me. And as I
get these casts cleaned off, Imean, they're not pretty, but they're

(49:19):
legit. Man, there's some toesin these things. We have a little
bit of information about this animal andto my knowledge, well, and let
me say this, there there Apparentlythere have been other footprint casts taken on
the ridge before going through the historicinformations this past week. Since you're siding
there, there's there's whispers of othercasts that were taken in the general area.

(49:42):
I have never seen one of them, so to me, this siding
is very very special, not onlybecause these might be actually the bigfoots that
are around my neighborhood, but alsothis represents the first time we're taking a
look at some of these footprints ofthe animals there. And this is this
is ground zero. This is wherewe start the interesting stuff. This isn't

(50:04):
The question of if big foots areal art is of no interest to me.
I want to know how they live, and by tracking them is the
only way to do it. Andthis is the first piece of data that
I have in my possession that Ican use for future reference. If another
trackway happens out there at Lo LowPass or something, or by Lost Lake
or one of these places, Ican say, Okay, is it the

(50:25):
same animal that Doug and the guyssaw back in January of twenty four And
then I can compare the cast,and that's where the real interesting stuff starts
happening. So I want to thankyou very much for helping me start my
data sets on that particular ridge.Well, thank you Cliff, and thank
you Bobo, and thank you Matt. Just looking forward to doing a lot

(50:46):
more in the future. Awesome,all right, Doug. Well, looking
forward to getting out there and hopingyour good luck even having all these discoveries.
I hope it rolls off of mewhen I go with you guys,
and yeah, folks, thanks fortuning in and until next week, everyone
you know what to do. Keepit squatchy. Thanks for listening to this

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