Ep. 261 - Jumpin' The Sharks!

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Berrickman and James Bubo Fay. Hello, Bobo, how's it going man?
How are you doing? Clove?Nothing's ruined my day yet? Oh?
Get ready? I know, getready. Here's Bigfoot and Beyond here to
ruin your day. Everyone, Justyour day, Okay, good, Bigfoot
and Beyond is here to ruin Cliff'sday. But yeah, I know everything's

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going pretty well. Pretty well.There's a lot that it goes. Kind
of a slow week in general.I went out to the woods on Monday,
walked around for a few hours fornothing. But I've done that the
last two or three weeks. Ithink, yeah, because people say,
oh, you find stuff all thetime. No, I don't. I
just don't tell you about what Idon't. Been out to the woods of
two or three times in the lasttwo or three weeks and averaging about once

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a week or so. But yeah, been a fair amount of miles under
my boots over the last month forvery very little to show. I got
a text from Bart like an hourago with a picture with a couple of
pictures from a thermal. It lookslike, I mean, you can't tell
what it is, but I'm assumingit's a squatch. No, don't assume

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that he was just I got atext from Bart a little while ago as
well, and those were at leasta picture I got were deer. Oh
okay, that's since you sent mea photo of a couple of normal clips.
I mean I couldn't see. WhatI mean is you can't tell what
it is. I just thought hesaid the because they thought it was or
something. No, I got twopictures. It looks like it's from this

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this maybe the same screen. I'mnot sure. Ones A No, they're
not from this. No, maybethat is. One's a deer, actually
one is two deer, and theother picture is a coyote. But no
big deal. Yeah, he's beenout in the woods. He dropped by.
Actually that's something that's been going on. Did you have a chance to
chime in and to get this geton the zoom call for that ape candyon
event bobo. I was for awhile, but then I couldn't my audio

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wasn't working right. I couldn't hearanything. I was just kind of watching
for about a half hour. ButI can watch it later right on the
site. No, I don't thinkso what site yours? The Patreon section?
Oh well, we haven't done anythingwith it yet. Are you a
member of the museum, Bobo?You included to me on the thing to
see like the the whatever's on yourweekly or bi weekly patreon for the videos

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and stuff? Oh did? I? Okay? I didn't know you remember,
I'll be darn I was. Idon't know if I'm now who knows.
I don't know. It's kind ofnews to me if you are.
But but I don't know. Iown the place. I don't know what
the hell's going on? You know. Bosses, Yeah, the higher up
you go in an organization, it'slike inversely proportional to your ability to run
it. I'd be lost without myteam here at the NABC. Yeah.

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There's good folks doing good things,man. You know, that's what I
learned. Man, It's it's youknow, you've always known that the North
American Bigfoot Center is not about Cliff. It's not people come in and say,
oh my god, I can't believeyou work here, and I said,
well, I gotta have a job, right, they say, And
they come out and say, you'rein a couple of places back there.
But I thought that i'd see moreFinding Bigfoot stuff. And I said,

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well, this isn't a Finding Bigfootmuseum. It's a Bigfoot museum. It's
not about me, you know,it's not about the show man. It's
like it's about the real star ofthe action, Sasquashes. But anyway,
back to what I was thinking butnot yet saying, is that we had
the Ape Canyon event this past weekend. We did it two nights. Friday
and Saturday had two nights, andI wanted to do two nights because at

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first I wanted to invite a lotof dignitaries. I wanted to invite Bigfoot
Royalty if I could, and sureenough a fair number of them showed up.
It was pretty great. But ontop of that, I also knew
that from my last few experiences withevents here at the museum, we can
always we can't really fit a lotof people in that room. So I
wanted to do two nights. Andthen it didn't even open it up to

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the public. Only NABC members only. Museum members and podcast members were invited
essentially, so the public wasn't invited. So if you're just Joe public out
there or Jane in public, sorryyou didn't get the invite. Only members
get invited to some things. Andwe had two nights. It was absolutely
cool. It was really really cool. There's some really interesting things even now

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happening with the Ape Kenyon stuff.We showed all of those historic photographs that
surfaced in October right now that onlyfour of them are on display at the
NABC, but there's actually like eightor nine maybe these things, maybe ten.
We showed every single one, Wetalked about them. We identified the
people in there on Friday, Jaredand Braden and Jacob Mitchell. All of

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them have the same last name,the great grandchildren of one of the miners.
They showed up because they rediscovered thecabins, or not the cabin site,
the mine shaft, the mine siteitself. They were in attendance,
which was fantastic. Oh and bythe way, they agreed to come on
the podcast. So maybe when itgets a little bit closer to the actual
one hundred year anniversary of the eventin July, maybe we can have those

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guys on and talk about their explorationof Ape Canyon, what it means to
them, and all the trials andtribulations that they went through to get to
the mine shaft. Maybe they'll agree, Maybe we'll let them come on?
Ah, are you kidding? Ilike I would do. I would love
to have them agree. I thinkat this point it's like, yeah,
could you please come on? Imean they're royalty. No they're not.

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Oh dude, now did you discoverthe Ape Canyon mine shaft? That doesn't
make you royalty. There are greatgreat grandsons of one of the miners who
got attacked. I hate that wholething about like, I can't stand up.
I'm irish, du we don't goin for that royalty crap. I
suppose, I suppose. But thesethese dudes, man, they're heroes.

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How about that? Are you happierwith that term? I think they did
a good deed. I wouldn't callthem heroes. Oh dude, they're heroes
like having been to the cabin site, but never thee mind. They're heroes.
That's cool. They fought, Imean dis kind of. That's really
cool. But I wouldn't put themin hero category. I would I would
haven't. Yeah, haven't been downthere their heroes. That's because you're a

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nerd. No, because I've beento the actually cabin site. Man risked
my life to get down there.It's insane. And they went another seventy
five feet or one hundred feet belowit. Those guys are nuts in terms
are kind of equipment. They hadropes and that's it. They didn't just
strap in. You aren't allowed to. There's no care beaners, just none
of that stuff. I absolutely lovewhen Bobo calls people nerds, and I

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also love when he gets offended atbeing called inrd. It's the best of
both worlds. It really is.At Bazy continue Anyway, they they showed
up, so they were, andwe also had Neil Beck in the audience
and on the zoom call. NeilBeck, of course is the great nephew
of Fred Beck, so he wasthere. And of course Mark did a
great presentation. Bart Katino was inthe crowd Friday night. He watched the

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stuff. Of course, Bart's oneof our best friends. A bunch of
people from the Olympic Project we're inattendance as well. It was just a
great night. Man. Yeah,Bart sent me some pictures. Shaner and
uh oh god, uh Todd werethere. Yeah, Shane and Todd were
there first night. Then the secondnight, Christ and Rebecca were there,
all from the Olympic Project. They'reall great people, and yeah it was.

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It was just a great night,a great night all around. So
glad it's over though. It's oneof those things that I got to get
through this. It's going to begreat. But when it's overall, I
can breathe a little bit. Soanyway, So yeah, that that's something
that's something we had a good timethere. Yeah, I was. I
also had I did a call infor a girl Scout troop in Colorado and
I was hitting them fired after theywanted to hear how to do a big

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foot call and I was like,oh man, this is going to be
rough. And I just did oneand I blew my vocal cords out.
You do sound a little scratchy?Yeah? Yeah, it hurt out of
practice, user lose it bobes.Yeah, don't. I don't do that
many calls anymore, you know,usually, I mean I might do it

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once in all. I do itonce in a while, but usually went
out there just do some knocks andif I do. I'll do one call
each direction. Then usually that's it. Yeah, I just got to let
him know you're in the neighborhood orsomething. I always go to over and
I get all fired im like comeon, answer me that I'll do another
one, and I'm like, shutup, dude, that I'll do another
one, like ten minutes later,twenty minutes later. Less is more sometimes,

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But then you look at money Makerand he gets pretty agro about some
stuff sometimes and you'll do it anddo it and do it, and sure
en up. They eventually call back. That does happen. Yeah, it
does happen. So I like it'shard to say which way to go sometimes,
you know, because I'm with you, like you probably shouldn't do a
whole lot of those. But thenhe gets out there and gets frustrated and
keeps doing it and doing it,and then he gets a response like I

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was shaking my head and going,dude, you're blowing it when like,
for instance, is just one timewe were in North Carolina and there was
that where we had our friends andfamily coming Bud and your brother came out
Leo and all that for the twohours, specially in North Carolina and I
was like, dude, you're justlike he just pulls up like full you
know, high vians on, pullsit over the over the gorge, the

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call down, slams the doors,is talking real loud, you know,
yelling back to another vehicle, andhe just goes, you know, and
I'm thinking, like, dude,they just saw you pull up and do
a call like you're not gonna getresponse, And sure enough he gets a
call back from down in the canyon. I was like, oh my god,
like to eat a little crow.And it was pretty shocked. But
yeah, it does work sometimes.I think my personal experience is that less

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is more, dude, just youjust want to entice him, just they
think that you're possibly will but theyyou know that they're not sure, so
they come up and check you out. That's why I like knocks. I
think it's harder to tell, ohfor sure. Well also I think what's
your what's what's what's been your experience, Bobo As far as vocalizations versus knocks,

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day versus night, I've gotten I'vegotten way more knocks in the day
than than audio, that's for sure, Like than vocalizations like by a huge
factor. But you have gotten vocalizationsduring the day, right, Yeah,
I think the last daylight vocalization thatwas with you when we went to George's
in Ohio. All my daytime vocalizationshave just been imprompty, like I didn't

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we didn't do anything then we justheard it. Yeah, exactly. But
they do vocalize during the day,just kind of for whatever reason they have.
I guess, like I don't getcallbacks during the day. But I've
heard both knocks and vocalizations during theday. Yeah, definitely heard plenty of.
And then I hear those shirtby Byrnewhistles coming from where the knocks are

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on several occasions, not anytime inthe last several years, but in the
past that that happened. And I'mstill firmly convinced they've they've adapted to you
know, after the show came outand everyone started tree banging and just howling
and screaming out in the woods,that I think they've adjusted. Yeah,
I thought that. I remember whenthe show first started, you and I
talking about this our concern that they'regonna catch on or whatever. And then

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some of the best spot, youknow, Bluff Creek or whatever the place
is where everybody goes right, they'regonna catch on and it's gonna be even
harder to deal with them and getthem and all that sort of stuff.
And at some point I think Ijust washed my hands of that and said,
you know what, good for themIf they catch on to our little
tricks and no big deal, thenit's our life. They have well in
some places and other places I don'tthink they have. Yeah, you get

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up in the Northwest, you getup somewhere out of the Yukon and float
plane in somewhere you're gonna be You'regonna be the first time they've heard that,
most likely from human And really Ithink there's fewer people out there doing
it than we thought there would be, or is it certainly not very consistent,
you know, because at the endof the day, a SaaS a
bigfoot guy or gal out in thewoods doing a hoot and a hauler for

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a little bit is really almost indistinguishableto a Sasquatch. I would think.
Then, you know, a drunkparty in some ways, you know,
they might just write one off asthe other and then dismiss it until those
people go away and then like resumenormal operations. You know, speaking of

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protecting sasquatches in some sort of way, which is kind of what we were
doing. I got something from ShaneCorson just earlier in the day today.
I thought this is kind of aneat thing to share with you, and
it apparently just happened today or recently. So this is a resolution in Mason
County, Washington, declaring Mason Countya Sasquatch protection and refuge area. So

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I'm going to read you the languagehere in this resolution. Whereas legend,
sightings, purported, recent findings,investigation, and recognition by various counties support
the notion that sasquatch also known asbigfoot Yetti or giant Harry Ape, may
exist. And whereas if a creatureexists, it is not flourishing given the

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very unusual event of being cited,and it is likely an endangered species and
is subject to great harm and extinctionif it continues to be unprotected. And
whereas Mason County desires that its citizensrecognize the need to protect sasquatch if it
does truly exist, and now thereforebe it resolved that the Board of County

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Commissioners of Mason County hereby declare MasonCounty as a Sasquatch protection and refuge area
of which all citizens of the countyare asked to recognize and honor. Dated
this twenty third day of April twentytwenty four, so it's from yesterday.
It's literally from yesterday that these peoplein Mason County looks like Tim Whitehead,

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chief Deputy of Prosecuting Attorney, McKenzieSmith, Clerk of the Board, and
the Board of County Commissioners and stuff, Randy and Kevin and Sharon. These
commissioners got their act together. Itdid something good for the squatch, which
is really really appropriate. I think. I think that's a third or fourth
place in Washington now that has somesort of written language to this effect.

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Maybe not a law, but aresolution. It's kind of like, you
know, like it's not a lawthat Bigfoot and Beyond is probably the best
podcast in the world. It's justa resolution. It's just a fact.
It's an immutable fact of the universe. Do you guys remember those photographs,
the cell phone photographs from like twothousand and eight from Mason County. I

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do, yep, yeah, ittrumps me a big stump. It looked
like a stump to me because atthe outer edge of it was sort of
a bright green hue, almost likemoss growing on a stump. One I
put on funding Bigfoot when we dida whole episode. Oh yeah, so
I can't. I can't dis well, there's no doubt that Mason County is
very squatchy. Oh yeah. Andthey got their act together to make this

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resolution. That's kind of cool.Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with
Cliff and Bobo. Will be rightback after these messages, if you can
say, some epic terrain because ofthe squats and cool. That's kind of

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one of the cool byproducts of protectingany animal species, let alone sasquatches,
is that you're protecting so much land, and something that I think Bigfooters may
overlook sometimes that if you do theopposite, if you protect the land,
you're protecting sasquatches. I'm a hugeadvocate of public land because I like to
go on land that doesn't have housesand mini malls and stuff on them,

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you know, and plaid pantries andseven eleven's. I don't want to see
that when I'm out in the woods. I just love public land, and
so I'm a strong advocate of protectingthe land no matter what, because you
know, mining and logging and allthat stuff is of course important, but
it doesn't have to be everywhere,you know, And the damage that some
of these industries do is particularly mining, with all the chemicals leaching out and

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stuff and putting the groundwater. There'sa lot of damage to humans as well.
But I think as bigfooters, ifwe can advocate for good environment,
keeping things wild, keeping things roadless, you know, or you know,
just stop stop the exploitation of wildland, you're actually doing kind of a
lot to help sasquatches. And untilthese things are in fact proven to be

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real animals, that's kind of allwe can do for them. It's kind
of all we can do just tolove them to the best of our ability,
is protect the land that they're on, and then everything else benefits from
it as well. Yeah, becausethey don't need us, I mean,
just as long as we just don'tscrew them up to it. But you
know, but I think they'll adaptto anything, really everything short of paving,

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I think, right, right,I mean, like they go through
like the places travel because they're sothey're so they you know, they can
walk so fast. And cover somuch ground overnight, especially in the winter
when it's dark for like so manyhours a night. I think they can
travel like, you know, likeacross some big wide areas that are,
you know, pretty wide. Imean there's not a lot of houses,

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but just you know wide up inprairie type situations or trying to think war
is a good example. Oh,I think South Dakota was a good example.
When we're on the Pine Ridge Reservation, right, Oh yeah, yeah,
but that even there there's still drawsand timber along the creeks and stuff.
I mean, I know, thegreen corridors, like animal connecting corridors
is the biggest thing for wildlife ingeneral, but I don't think squatches need

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that so much. Maybe you're thinkingof like the Mahave River bed. That's
a pretty desolate stretch and we foundprints there before. Yeah. Yeah,
if you're smart, there's always somewhereto hide, like you're not gonna like
like a lot of animals panic andthen start jumping up and running, like
a squatch will sit there and stayhidden till the bitter end. You know.
That bring to mind that the sightingthat I investigated at the end of

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January where the guys saw it andit ran off and they lost sight of
it and apparently just sat down towatch them for a while until they went
away. Yeah, that's them,the Master's impersonation and then the masters at
patients. They'll wait you. They'llwait till you leave before they will.
Yeah. Since you mentioned, youknow, roadless areas, it made me

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think about that Bob Marshall Wilderness complex. If either you guys ever done any
field time out there. It's inMontana. I think it's let me pull
up the stats here. It's amillion acres of wilderness and between the acres
of that wilderness and then the connectedlike National Forest, private and BLM land
that surrounds it, there's a totalroadless area there of two point five to

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four million acres. I think it'sthe largest roadless area in the lower forty
eight. It's the most ecologically completemountain wilderness in the country. I know.
There's a couple of big Foot groupsthat go up there, are a
couple of guys that follow online,you know, on and off, but
there's a they go in there,they rave about it. There's always stuff
going on. It looks pretty spectacularfrom what I hear, it's just pretty

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amazing. Well, it's close tothe Kutene the National Forest, and there's
a couple of great footprints that havebeen sent to me over the years from
that general area, so it lookslike a fantastic area. Of course,
you know, speaking of a MontanaUh. We had Kelly Birdall of course
on the podcast just a few weeksago. Right, He's going to be
one of the featured speakers out atan event out in Montana. I'm not

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going to be there or anything likethat, so I'm not plugging this for
that reason. But if you wantto see Kelly speak, it's I guess
it's going to be in a placeI'm looking at it right now in Kalispell,
Montana. Yeah, it's called theKalispell Bigfoot Town Hall. It's on
June eighth, Saturday, June eighth. That was invited. But I'm actually
going to be out in uh Ithink Marionville, Pennsylvania that same weekend for
another like a city festival sort ofthing. It was invited out there.

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I've already said yes, so I'mgonna go at that direction. But Kelly
Birdle is going to be out therewith a handful of other people, Stephen
Major, a guy named Mitch Johnson, Brent Thomas, a guy named Don
Longbeard, and there's a picture ofhim. He does, in fact have
a long beard, and I particularlylike that name because again, I'm a
You called me a nerd earlier,Bobo. Yeah, I'm a Tolkien nerd

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as well. The long Beards area family of dwarves in JRR. Tolkien's
world. But I guess the mostimportant thing going on there is Kelly Birdle.
You're more than a token nerd,you're a real nerd. So yeah,
but Kelly Birdle is going to beout there. So that's that's an
event out there. If you're lookingfor something to do June eighth in the
Montana area, that might be somethingthat's right up your alley here and apparently

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it's free. Yeah, I've been. I've been to the above, the
Bob Marshall Wilderness, I've been tothe Flathead National Force up in there.
A bunch of listeners right in andthey'll ask things, you know, because
you guys have traveled so much forfinding Bigfoot, and they'll ask about which
of their locations was your favorite,or what did you find the squatchiest or
the scariest, but maybe it'd beinteresting. Are there places that are still

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on your bucket list, and let'sjust say even the lower forty eight,
if not the rest of North America, places that you haven't been yet that
you think would be prime habitat endless. Well for me that the first thing
that comes to my mind is coastalb C because I still haven't done it,
he said, Lower forty eight.Yeah, I know, I know,
So whatever, you can tell methe rules something that I want to

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find, as do you want youwant on the road on finding Bigfoot?
You you chastise me for obeying thelines painted in the road while I was
driving. You said, you're gonnalet You're gonna let paint tell you what
to do. Yeah, you gottabe smarter than the paint. You're right,
absolutely right, Cliff, No,that would be my Yeah, if

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if money was no object, likea charter, a big yacht or whatever,
you know, or a fishing boat, whatever, just something I get
around up in the BC coastal oryou can spend a lifetime up there.
Uh. It's it's just insane howmuch stuff is up there. It sounds
like I'll be hitting out there laterthis year for a little film project.
I guess they get to kind oftied up in this production thing to do

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a documentary out in Coastal BC.So I'll finally get to go out there
and check it out. But yeah, I mean between the big brown bears
and stuff like that, I don'tthink I would want to do it just
on my own and my lonesome.You know. That's the key about doing
it from from like a boat,you know, a bigger boat. Is
you got a little launch, gotgoing short with that, then you just
set of camping up there and crazyterritory. You're back on the boat just

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living the life. Then I thinksyou're not gonna have any count You're not
gonna have to much encounters if youdo that. Though, who knows any
tip miss him from the boat whenhe was doing the same thing. Yeah,
I mean like approach your camp andall that. But yeah, you
can you can anchor up so closeup there, like I've been on the
inside passage and I mean you're anchoringin like little cos like that. You
know, you can see how peoplelike Robert Ally's books, there's those reports

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of them, you know, andbe in Alaska and BC like them climbing
up one of the most that aremore to you know, drop an anchor
right there, they'll swim out andclimb up boredom. Didn't that happen to
Hancock when Timmus was on the boatone time. Do you ever hear that
story? He told I think thatsounds familiar. Yeah, I think he

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did. I think he did saythat he didn't see it, but he
heard it right. Well, heheard something come out of the water and
then the entire boat like listed overto the direction, like something really heavy
gut on the boat. Yeah,there's a big wet like it was all
wet there where. I don't thinkhe saw it. I think he just
they just knew what it was.It was obvious what it was. Yeah,
I agree with you. I don'tthink he saw it either, But

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yeah, I mean, I meanwe've been to like all these states,
but like the states, like mostof the soil the states have so like
there's like literally like I mean,there's so many places in Oregon and northern
California haven't been to yet that Ilooked at the mouse a million times.
I've driven by it or driven throughit, but haven't actually spend any time
there on the ground or slept thereor nothing. I mean, yeah,
there's I mean, there's so manyplaces I want to check out. Yeah,

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there's just there's endless. I meanthere's time. You can never even
if you were if you had allthe funding, you had no commitments to
anything, and you just could goon the road three sixty five. Yeah,
even the lifetime, I couldn't goall the places I wanted. I
was talking to Dave here at themuseum about that same thing, because he
and I went. I went outon Monday, and I met Dave out

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there, like I knew he's goingto be out there somewhere, and we
managed to run across each other outin the woods because I was a few
hours later than him, and wehiked down some roads that neither one of
us had been on before, andI showed him this other area or whatever
that he wasn't aware of, andwe're just and the conversation kept coming back
to like we could work this onespot, this like five by eight mile

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spot for the rest of our livesand never see any like, never see
it all, never see it all, and it wouldn't matter anyway, because
we maybe we see this road todayand then we come back next weekend or
something. Who knows what's walked therein the meantime, we got to go
back to the same roads. It'sjust it's just daunting, daunting, and

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you get these people who just don'tknow what's up saying like, oh,
there's no way something that size canhide. Say, what do you get
more on coming? These things aren'tlike these things aren't Godzilla sized giants.
You know, these are like sixto eight foot tall things slinking around man
like. Of course they can hide. Of course they can hide. Like
where would they hide? They can'tpossibly be real? They could hide almost

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anywhere, is the answer to thatone. That's that's the one that makes
you want to just grab people andshake them sens and them just going like,
there's plenty of places to hide yourfools. They don't need much.
I'll tell you that the places theyhide is insane. Like how right in
front of the plane they hide andplay inside a lot and some people interpret
that as turning invisible. Yeah,I mean, we had this discussion a

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couple of weeks about that, andI mean, I mean, I I
think ninety nine point nine percent ofall that stuff is or even it could
be one hundred percent, but Ithink, I mean, I think that's
they're just so freaking fast, andthey're they're so camoed naturally cameo that they
and they're just you know, goodat holding still and blending in and like

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that accounts for almost all that stuff. But I still trip on the ones
where people said they saw it indaylight just blink out. You don't think
that's like user error. It couldbe. But the one guy, well,
seeah, I just hung out themfor the one day, this fish
biologist, he was half clinket andhe and Doug Hichek was with me when

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we were hanging out with the guyat the Klamath and uh he he swore
it. I mean he told thestory like he told it two three times
as I kept grilling them out,like why why he goes he goes walk.
I was walking on the beach,looking down the sand, like looking.
He didn't know what I was lookingfor, but it was looking for
something. I was just walking alongthe beach on you know the beaches up

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there like and he was in thePrince Edward Islands and he was out there
and he said it walked. Hewas walking and then it just and he
said, in one step it wasgone. It had seventeen inch footprints.
He was tripping on it. Hewas just like, oh my god.
Then he thought it had something todo with this Grammar who had just died

(27:19):
or something possibly. But he waslike a full scientist guy, like fully
analytical, like skeptical of stuff.And he says, he goes, I
don't know. You don't have tobelieve he's all, but I'm telling you
what I saw. And he hadhe had a really good photos of the
of the tracks. Something someday thathe might listen to this and contact us.
Never know, some surprising people listento this. Stay tuned for more

(27:42):
Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. Will be right back after these messages.
While it's on my mind, Imeant to throw this in earlier,
but we get distracted a bit.But we have to a shout out on
the podcast. So I was doinga documentary shoot with some friends for something

(28:04):
that will hopefully be coming out inI guess July or August, and they
were filming an interview outside with aCherokee woman who is sort of carrying on
the oral tradition sort of a heritagestoryteller, and they told me like,
oh, we needed to come outside. We need to film a dialogue scene,
a totally separate scene. And soas I was walking out, she

(28:25):
was having a conversation with the crewon the porch and they were asking her,
Hey, do you do you everdo any local bigfoot events? And
she'd said, not really, butI went to this event in Townsend once
and that guy Turtleman was there,and she was like, but you know
the highlight was I told Turtleman Iwas a big fan of Bobo, and
Turtleman called Bobo and put him onthe phone with me, and it just
made my whole day. And Icould see the crew like giving me looks,

(28:48):
and so I pulled out my phoneand I called Bobo and the whole
time it was ringing, I wasthinking, just like, please answer,
please answer, please answer. Ithought I was miss I was. I
thought I was to be recording.So yeah, so Boba answered, He's
like, dude, am I latefor a pod And I was like,
no, but I'm here with avery special fan slash friend of yours.
And so her name is Mariah.We have to give a shout out to

(29:10):
Mariah she was over the moon tospeak with Bobo, and then her daughter
took a few pictures while the conversationwas happening and sent him to the crew
afterwards, and she was like,thank you guys so much. You made
my mom's whole day, Like shewas over the moon about it. So
so Mariah, hopefully you hear this, and Bobo you can give Mariah shout
up. She was very happy totalk to you. Hello, Mariah.

(29:33):
Yeah, that's funny you just mentionedTruman because I was gonna call his lady
to see if they have a computeryet, think that he can do an
interview from because you know, heTurtleman is totally non tech, because I
was like, we got to getTurtleman on the show. But I love
that guy. He's so fricking awesome. Is he still doing that YouTube page?
Yeah? Okay, Wow, it'sfunny. He was pulling footprints that

(29:55):
looked pretty good to me, youknow, I mean I haven't seen him
since I was with you, likehow many years ago, four years ago,
five years ago now or something.Yeah, it's been probably four years
now. Yeah, but those photographsof the footprint said he was pulling were
really impressive. I thought there lookedgreat, And then I find out,
Oh, he's working the same spotthat we worked when we were in that
area while we're filming finding big Footwhere we ran across sasquatches. No wonder

(30:18):
he's getting glucky in there. Yeah, turtle mounds than that. I mean,
he really is. He really isa great outdoorsman naturalist. I mean
he knows his stuff, dude.Like I went to the a couple of
museums with him. I mean he'slike a geologist, I'm not sure geologist.
He knows all the rocks, andyou know, he's really, uh,

(30:40):
the old school kind of naturalist.You know, he's not like some
PhD in biology, but he knowslike medicinal plants, he knows what's edible,
like what roots are edible. Imean he's knows. He knows how
to track sasquatches like you know,food wise. And if Suzanne was a
little braver, he'd probably have alot more footage because his cameraman chickens out
whenever they get close. Well,I've always thought that Earnie, like the

(31:03):
turnal Man, was just one ofthose people that you probably should just don't
tell him. But somehow attach aGoPro on him to see what happens,
you know, one of those thingslike like it's a shark or something.
Yeah, it's like, hey,look at this hand. Well, my
other hand is attaching a GoPro onyour back. You won't notice, right,
got that, guys, So Ilove it. I love turtle that.

(31:26):
Yeah, he's nuts man. Imet him in Manhattan for the first
time. We were brought to NewYork for some network thing for Animal Planet,
and just seeing him on the streetof Manhattan, like talk about standing
out. He did not fit inthere. And he's like making his noises
and yelling at the cars on thestreet and stuff, and like when he
meets a fan, he picks uppeople and spins him around. And that

(31:52):
was so awesome. He's pretty great. He's pretty great. And shout out
to Neil and Squirrel and missed thoseguys. Those guys were awesome too.
Is Yeah, well, of courseNeil's passed now, you know. Yeah,
so I'm saying Neil and Squirrel bothpassed on. Oh I didn't know
Scroll was gone. Yeah, Sohopefully Turtle Man's got access to a good
computer and he's free to get us, you know, to get on with

(32:13):
us because I'd love to talk tohim. I mean, he's got that
story told on finding Bigfoot. He'sI mean, he had an incredible encounter
sasquatch sighting, and then'd be coolto you know, hear all this something
he's had, ladies, and especiallyhis rock incident where he got the thing
through the rock and hit him inthe chest and broke a rib. He's
a hard guy to get ahold ofthom because he doesn't have a phone.
H his lady does, so,Yeah, but he has a flip phone.

(32:37):
He doesn't charge it. He's probablygonna get footage because he's got a
flip phone. Yeah, he's thekind of guy that would do it actually,
but something would go wrong too though. Yeah, I had the Curse
of the Sasquatch recently. But butdid you get your Garman dash cam?
Yeah? Yeah, A lovely listenerand supporter of the podcast sent us both

(33:00):
dash cams and we're grateful. Andso I set it up in our daily
driver to test it and like dialin the features the way that I wanted
it to be. And then onWednesday I had to get up early and
pack everything to drive out to westernNorth Carolina and so I did that,
and I kept having this nagging feelingthat I was forgetting something, and I
was like, no, I wentthrough like my thermal, my camera and

(33:20):
everything. You know, it's allthere, all my gear, on and
on and on. And then asI'm driving into western North Carolina and starting
to go through the Smokies, Iwas like, here we go. And
then I realized, oh, Ileft the dash camp in the other car.
And so I was like, today'sgoing to be the curse of the
Bigfoot, and one is going tocross the road and no one's going to
believe me because I didn't. Sono Sasquatches crossed the road. But I

(33:43):
will not make that mistake again.You know how it is with a new
piece of gear, you have tolike integrate it into your habits. And
so unfortunately I hadn't done that.I was driving my truck and the section
thing holding it to the windshield becauseI was hitting you know, dirt potholes
and stuff, and ounced off.I'm like, oh, man, like
you know, I wouldn't stay upbecause it was bouncing so hard. I

(34:04):
was like God, Now, likeI was certain I was going to see
one, you know, like haveone run in front of the truck,
since the I just had it runningand then it fell down. Then thing
right in front of the truck isI'd be just you know, par for
the course. Yeah, because youhave the big Foot luck and the Bobo
luck going for you or against you. Yeah, it's not. It's not
a winning combination. Sometimes it is, though, because you're the kind of

(34:25):
guy that will find five thousand dollarsat a gas station and then lose it
at the next gas station or makesome sweet bets and loves it. Yeah,
I'm so glad you're not. Youdon't have a gambling addiction, Bobo.
I'm not an addct like I gotkilled. Was I just got killed
on one? Who was Jesus for? Uh? It was a fight?
Who was it? I can't remember? But I won all my I won

(34:49):
all my Uh it was the UFC. It was the UFC, and I
got who was it? Oh?It was a Max Holloway all the fights.
I won every single bet up untilall Way gains Sheee fight. Then
I put it all on Gainshee andthen you got knocked out. I couldn't
believe it. Yeah, I haveno idea who you're talking about, but
I would have bet those gambling patterns. I would have bet on those gambling

(35:10):
patterns from you when when, whenthere's no way I can lose, I've
won every time. I would haveput everything in lose it all. Yeah,
well I just broke even at theend. Basically, okay, well
good, you have a good time. Then a nice emotional roller coaster.
It's not enjoyable. You know,it has been a long time since we've
done a Bobo story time. Iwonder if there's like a particular betting or

(35:35):
gambling story that comes to mind thatwould be an epic story time. Yeah,
what do you think, Bob?But there's something in there. I
can't all the details. Ever,I had only half my money for rent
and bills, and by semester cloudI think back then it was four hundred
and ninety bucks a semester to goto cal State. I won't state.

(35:58):
The school was so cheap and Ionly had half the money. So I
hitched like to Reno and gambled andmade all my money back and came home
with a I mean, I madeenough money to cover all my expenses for
that semester for classes and books,and then my first month's rent. I
won't call the person out because wedon't need people hitting him up asking him

(36:19):
to borrow cash. But we dohave a friend of the podcast who has
some very bizarre, cosmic luck whenit comes to gambling. Dude, I
was with him when he won thirteenhundred. You know, I've seen several
that are like over ten grand whereI'm like, dude, how is that
possible? Like the universe just smilesupon you. Yeah, dude, I
was with him. He walked in, pulled the he had like I think

(36:43):
twenty or thirty bucks he put intothe slot machine and he started, you
know, pulling the arm down,and then like before his money ran out,
thirteen hundred bucks popped up. That'sprobably why he's a good squatter,
because he's got good luck. Hehas had a sighting this friend of the
podcast, and so too two sidings, So that's a degree of luck I
definitely don't have. That's why Idon't gamble. That's why you don't win.

(37:05):
It's not gambling. You're as smartas I am. Baby. Cliff
can consult the list because I knowlisteners. We do get messages about like
when's the next Boo story time?And Cliff has that epic list. Oh
yeah, here we go. Letme grab pull that list up. What
about the hot yoga story? Wetold that one, We told that?

(37:27):
Okay, the next one is calledturn in the Driveway. That's when he
won't tell I know. I've beenwanting to hear that story for so long.
No, that's how I have KennyLogins addendum. Do we get so
much mileage out of that Kenny Logginsvideo? In the screenshots? People love
it? And then there's still newlisteners who don't know, and so I'll
have to reply to him like,oh, go listen to this episode.

(37:49):
I think it's episode eighty six.And then I post the link to thing
and they're like no way. Imean somebody, even a newer listener was
like, oh, that looks likea screenshot from like a weird dance video,
and I was like, actually,his weirder than you can possibly imagine.
The next one on the list isa great white weight belt. Yeah,
I'm told that on a different podcast. Did that's all? Did that's

(38:12):
all about? That's all my sharkencounters one time for the show. No,
well, I also have another one, Cliffhanger white Shark. Yeah.
Since I thought I told those ones. No, we haven't gotten any of
the shark stories, but I thinkmaybe one of those would be awesome.
Way gather around, it's Bubo story, Dude, He's gonna see some things

(38:36):
that all classic a scene. He'slying, he's gone a kid, kill
me hiar. Once again, it'sBubo story. Any description of felonious or
criminal activity is being told here strictlyfor entertainment purposes, and is in no
way admission of guilt or even truefor that matter. This would have been

(38:59):
summer of ninety two and I wasworking down in Shelter Cove in Lost Coast,
California, and I was driving thetractor launch. The commercial season wash
was shuttered so pretty much. Imean, there was a few openers that
we went and did, but mostof the time I was just driving tractor
launching boats because there's no there's aboat launch where there's no like cradle to

(39:22):
take you out ornything that you haveto launch from the beach, and people
that want to, you know,back their trucks into the ocean. So
we'd had a big old International harvestertractor, like a big farm tractor that
we welded on a ball hitch andyou'd launch up to like two hundred boats
a day and like you know,driving down the ramp down the beach,
back them into the water and hookthem and dump down the ocean and then
pull out again. So I wasdoing that and I didn't have to be

(39:43):
at work till like six and itwas I was going down. I would
go down and get my four avalonies. You get four avalonians a day.
Back then I'd go in the morningbefore work and get my four abs.
Then it was nine feet at thirteenseconds the booze, which is kind of
rough for diving. That's that's prettybig swell for diving, like uh,

(40:04):
you know, snorkel dive because youcan't use tanks. It's just scuba,
it's just skin diving. So Iwent out and I borrowed this guy's weight
belt, big Bud. I borrowedhis weight belt, and I was like,
yeah, dude, I promise I'llbring it back. I'll have it
because he's he's I'm going to bediving tomorrow. I want it back.
I said, yeah, I'll getit back to you. Don't worries because
I forgot what happened to mine.Mine wasn't around. So I had I

(40:28):
had Bud's weight belt on and Iswam out and there's this place we called
the wall, and it was rightout in front of like or of the
lighthouse. I don't know if it'sStephen's still there, but the lighthouse at
Shelter Cove, uh they put itwas where they put the lighthouse. Now
it was before the lighthouse was therewas out there. We called it the
wall and had swim across this deepchannel and the people are the guy that

(40:49):
lived in the house right there hadseen big white sharks in that channel with
it. Because there's a there's afirst Seal colony and Harbor Steel Colony and
a colony all in the alongest pointthese bluffs, and you're diving out there.
There's just tons of sea life andthere's a lot of a lot of
shark action there. And so II swam out and the sun wasn't up

(41:13):
yet, but it was I hada little underwater flashlight. I mean you
can kind of see it was youknow, it was murky, and the
sun was still behind the mountains tothe east. Because the King Ranges there
the highest coastal peaks in the lowerforty eight, So it was. It
was probably was about a quarter tosix twenty to six, and I swim
out diving this spot I'd usually getI could get all my four hours and

(41:36):
three dives or two dives, becausei'd usually get two at once, come
up and then you know, getI could get you know, never took
me more than three dives get fourhours. It was so thick out there
wasn't a challenge at all. SoI dived down. The day before I
had seen these huge just plates,you know, like twelve inch avelin wedge

(41:57):
back in this crack, and Iwas like, I got I get that
one. That was a huge onein there. So I went down,
dove down and found it. I'dalready been under water for at least a
minute trying to find the find thecrack, and I got one out,
I got two out, and thenI was get trying to get the third
one, and right then all thelittle fists because when you're prying abs off

(42:19):
with the ayd bar like the peopleanother Ablins was they have a giant there.
It's you know, like a bigyou know album mother a pearl show
look, and there's just one giantmuscle that they call it the foot and
it's just a huge suction path theycan suck if they if they because you
want to sneak up on them andlet them not let them not know you're
there, because once they know,like if you touch them, they just

(42:42):
suck down, and like you know, like they're really hard to get off.
So I would just go up andjust cheat, I'm real faster and
just reach out with my hand andpull them off really fast. But in
this uh so, they didn't havetime to suck down. So I was
almost out of air and I waslike, I gotta get I'm going to
get three on one dive awesome,So because you're you know, I was
trying to get as many as youcan. And right then as I was
working on the third one, it'sbeen about probably at this point in like

(43:02):
two minutes. I had been underfor a good two to two and a
half minutes. And also those littlefish that hang out for the little scraps
that pop off when you pop theebb off on little chunks will tear off.
They eat that, they boom gone. All the hair on my neck
went up. This all happened inlike one second, two seconds. All
the hair on my neck went upthis presence, this huge presence just behind

(43:24):
me. I'm like, oh mygod, I just knew. I just
knew it was a shark. Youcan you can feel those things, man.
And I was like, uh oh, and it kind of it made
it darker where I was. Itwas kind of ave me a little bit,
even though it was because the waythe the reefs bend around out there.

(43:45):
I was kind of facing southish,so it wasn't between me and the
sun, but it was. Itwas a it was it made it.
I mean, it definitely got darkeras it was going by, not like
pitch black thing, but yeah.Ye. So I was just sitting I
was like, oh no. Andso I turned around super slow and I'm
holding my ab out like like it'sa knife or something, my ab iron.

(44:07):
As I turn around, I justsee this giant from dude. It
was so big. It's uh,it's definitely it would be that it was.
Everyone agrees, all the commercial fishermendown there agreed that this thing is
in the Coast Guard pilots from thehelicopters, the rescue jumpers that they fly
patrols every day and down the coastlinea couple times a day, and they've

(44:30):
all seen the things. It's beenestimated between twenty four and twenty seven feet
long. We called them Charlie Shark. He'd been there for at least at
that point sixty years. He wasat least sixty years old at that time
from the old like Mario, theyguy Mario's Marina. He was. He
had first seen it in the inthe thirties, nineteen thirties, and this
was in the nineties and it wasstill there. And so I turned around

(44:52):
and dude, it has its finsweren't out like like when they put their
fins down their pector fins. Thatmeans they're kind of getting a little like
that means like they're guarding their territoryor you know, like they they're warning
other sharks. And so I justlook at I'm like, oh my god.
As I turned, I see thetail was literally almost as tall as

(45:15):
I was, like, it wasprobably it had to be like a five
foot tail from top to bottom.And it was thick. I couldn't believe
how thick it was. It wasprobably like eight inches thick or something,
or I mean, it was justmassive. And then it went into the
body and the body was giant youhear. It was literally like because when
you see those great whites on whenthey're on shorts, like they're swim bladders

(45:36):
all collapse and like they're they're notlike they're not made to be in you
know, in gravity. They're supposedto be in water, zero gravity.
It's like they're not compressed at all. They're you know, they're puffed up.
So I turned around, I wasI didn't I didn't see the head,
but I saw the dorsal fin.So it had probably about a three
foot dorsal fin on it, andthen like the body had to be five
foot six. I mean it hadto be five foot from the top of

(45:59):
its back to the bottom of itsbelly something like that. And then the
pectoral fins were probably like four footsomething like that. So I mean it
was it was from top to bottom, it was like over eleven foot,
you know, so I'd say abouteleven feet or something ten foot, So
it was. I mean, itwas giant, and it's just a mass
of the body and is it youknow they assume side to side it it

(46:21):
just slipped into the gloom and Ijust dropped those abs and I was totally
out of air. At this point, like I, because you want to
stay against the rocks and down low. You don't want to go to the
surface. They hit you when yougo to the surface. Because I thought
it was and I couldn't you know, it's you can't tell. But I
thought I saw it coming back aroundmaybe like my mind, in my mind,

(46:43):
that's what it was doing. Itwas, you know, circling back
to seeing because that's what they usuallydo, is they'll cruise by. They
don't just rush in. They seemby a slow a few times when they
come in closer and closer than they'lldo it investigatory hit usually bite. So
I was just like damn, andI was totally out of air. So
I just I didn't even wasn't evenpaying attention to swell or anything. I
just started swimming to the surface andall of sudden, I was about I

(47:06):
was just I was just putting myhand up to break the surface, and
I was facing the wall facing east, you know, going going up,
had my back to the ocean,and just when I got to the top
of Damn, I got slammed frombehind so hard, just slammed into the
rocks. Stay tuned for more Bigfootand beyond with Cliff and Bobo will be

(47:29):
right back after these messages. Yeah, I got slammed from behind so hard,
just slammed into the rocks, cutmy lip open, cracked my mask,
you know, smashed my face.I mean it was like I got

(47:49):
blasts. I just thought I gothit by the shark. A little turd
came out in Uh. Luckily Ihad gone to the bathroom before I went
down, you know, earlier thatmorning. But a little bit of whatever
was in me came out right thenbecause I thought I was dead. But
what had happened is I'd swam upinto the into the I'd swam up into
the wave breaking like you know,nine at fourteen that's like a thirteen fourteen

(48:13):
foot face fifteen foot face or something. So it was a pretty big wave
in that interval that it's got somepower to it. It just slammed me
face firstly into the rocks. Itwas just I thought I got hit by
the shark, and I scrambled uponto the because it went it went to
the rocks, kept going up aboutthree four feet out of the water,
and I scrambled up there and Icrawled across some urchins got urchins in my

(48:36):
knees urchin spines, and then Ihad to swim across the trough. I
called it the trough to get intothe to get back into shore. And
that's where Bad Billy earlier that year, earlier that year of the year before.
It was the year before Bad Billygot hit by that shark Stumpy.
She didn't bite him, but shecame up and started nosing him around,

(48:58):
like banging in with her out,and she took him and took her head
and pectoral fin and swam into therock and then rubbed her head up and
down. And he had a victorywet sued on and it scraped all the
lettering. It went down the sideof the body. It said victory down
the side. Because their skins likesandpaper. She just rubbed them up and

(49:19):
down. She was rubbing him againstthe rocks and just swimming him around.
But she never even bid him.She just would. She was holding her
pectoral fin out and just pushing himalong and then taking her side of her
head and rubbing him into the rocksfor like a couple of minutes. And
so like we were, and shewas kind of famous. In the very
first shark weeks. She was thatshark off the phar alarms with the chopped

(49:42):
off fin to the tail. Yeah, that shark used to come to shelter
Cove. We used to see thatshark when we were fishing diving. That's
the one that pushed Billy around.She I think she was an eighteen foot
or like four thousand something bounds.So so I knew there's the big sharks
went in that channel the trial off. So I was like, oh,
man, I was sitting there.So I sat there for like three probably

(50:04):
three or four ways bashing me.I was like, I was like,
God, I have to get outof it. I gotta get out of
here. And that weight belt becausebutd was bigger than me, it was
it was kind of too much weightfor me. Already. It was hard
for me to get up to thesurface. Not hard, but I had
to, you know, definitely kicked. My wet seat was not in buoyancy
enough to counteract the belt, andI was like, ah, so I

(50:24):
jumped back in to swim across thetruck. I'm like, I can't just
sit here and get pounded by surfinto the Urchin's like I'm gonna get killed
up here anyways. So I jumpedin and just popped the belt off when
I was swimming across. As Iwas about a third or halfway across,
I'm like, this belt slowed medown. So I just popped it off.
And then you just kept going andwent to work and worked all day

(50:45):
whatever. I had to work fromsix to hours in the summer from six
to eight, so it was likefourteen hour day. And then Bud was
all mad at me. You know, he's like, I told you I
needed that for tomorrow. So Ihad to go back out there grab my
fla. You know, he's gettingdark and it wasn't dark yet. But
went out there and had to gofind his belt. And I can't tell

(51:06):
you how scared I was, dude, diving and there's guys something on the
bleff just watching see if I wasgoing to get hit. But nothing happened
to It was fine, but itwas it's when you when you think there's
when you know they're around and they'rebig like that, because even in investigatory
by when they're that big and youdon't have a surpboard, dude, for

(51:27):
the fatality rate for great white sharksattack attacks in open water, it's one
hundred percent fatality rate if it's thewater's fifty feet or uh depth or more.
It wasn't fifty right there, butright you know, maybe fifty yards
out it was deeper than that.There is no good bite from a great
white chart well smart of that bad. I know guys have got bit not

(51:47):
bad. Yeah, but you don'twant to get bid. You don't want
to get bit out there. Youknow. Those are just investigatory. But
dude, when the dudes get rock, that's when they that's when you get
killed, when they have deep waterto build up speed. No, No,
I don't think there's I don't thinkin California there's been any deaths in
shallow water at all from Great Whites. Yeah. They always just kind of
come up and grab you like,you know, bump you and nazzle you

(52:10):
around and chew on you a littlebit and just leave because they hit the
fiberglass the board. Once they hitfiberglass, they usually stop. It's usually
there's not like there's not usually withbig whites, And the ones that bite
repeatedly are the smaller ones that arejust switching over to greene mammals when they
switch from sting rays to fish tomarine mammals, those are the ones that

(52:31):
they're less experienced, that they're theones more likely to attackles. I was
like, so when you see thosebig sharks attacks, it's usually just one
bite in the board, Yeah,because they're not going after you, They're
going after what they think is aseal or something like that. Yeah,
but if you don't have but Imean, if you don't have a board
and they bite you, your you'reI mean, divers die way more.
Like the percentage of divers that diecompared to surfers is it's not even close.

(52:54):
It's divings where you get killed.Yeah, the big animal like that,
they don't get that big by beingdumb, right, Like I mean,
I've never I've never even seen agreat white shark, and I've i
spent a fair amount of time inthe water, not like you commercially or
anything, but I'd love to seeone. But like that was the thing
about any big fish, like whetherit's a big yellow tail or group or

(53:15):
whatever that I might be fishing for, is that the bigger the fish,
the harder they are to catch alot of times because they're smart, you
know. In great whites would beno exception. I mean they I think
those things are quite intelligent. Ohthey are, Yeah. I mean I
don't know that. I haven't readthe papers on it or anything, but
I would think that they'd be quitesmart from all that experience living decades and

(53:36):
decades and doing what they do,you know, and surviving. Yeah.
There we were shrimping and we were, you know, pretty far offshore.
We were fishing deep and you knowwhat this has been cliffed. It was
two knots of wind or less andit was one feet at seven seconds on
the booty. It was this flatand commas Ocean could ever be like just

(53:57):
a lake. So all the guys, all the boats were not there's probably
about seven or eight boats were sidetying. Would you like a we have
like poker tournaments and the captains allplay cribbage and the crewisually plays poker or
whatever cards and it's kind of likea party, you know, like you
just type, you just type outthere and jump boat the boat. And
so those guys were all tied up, and my skipper was kind of wild,

(54:20):
and uh so we were like weshould you know, what we'll do
is I'll have a couple of surfboardson the boat. I'm like, yeah,
well, uh well, we'll justgo by and I'll just because I
had a bet with my skipper thatI would jump onto the back of a
great white if we passed them nakedfor a thousand bucks, because they usually

(54:42):
would swim. They just they wouldn'tswim away A lot of times, they'd
just stay on the surface. Ifif he pulled up by them, they
would just keep swimming that. Theywouldn't just instantly bail or anything. They
usually just keep doing what they're doinggenerally. So I was like, and
everything I've seen about sharks, uhwhites, was that they they're skittish,
like you know, if you somethinghappens, they just take off so fast.

(55:02):
I was like, yeah, ifI jump on his back, it's
gonna it's just gonna swim away.It's not gonna attack me. It's gonna
nice climb on the boat. Iwas climb right back on the boat,
no problem. Like to me,it was easy money. And then my
skipper threw in the part about beingnaked. When I did it, I
was like, all right. Soanyway, so we were we were out
there and they're they're all tied up. We're coming up. My skippers all

(55:23):
Hey, why don't we do it? Tell you by and uh, Toby,
Well, you can scurf buy Imean, like whatever you call that,
like a wake surf, you know, with a with a take some
crab rope and we'll drag you alongand you can surf the wake. I
was like, all right, let'sdo it. I was like, I
didn't want to put in my wetsuit and everything, so I was should

(55:43):
allays do it naked down? SoI jumped in naked, grab my board,
and I remember feeling like, becausewe're Klamath River, this Clomut River
Mouth's way the shark sharkers place inCalifornia besides the Pharaolns, and like,
uh, maybe Pharaolons. And thenuh, dang, I can't be the
name of the north of Santa Cruis. There's that little island off there.

(56:04):
I didn't know Ava, so it'sprobably read it's it's right up there with
Sharky's top three shark spots as faras I'm concerned for the West Coast.
So we're off shore like seven eightmiles and so I get on the but
we were we were going fast enoughto really it for me to get up
and stand up and ride because uhso I ended up just kind of getting
on my knees and kneeboard like youknow, naked my skippers, you know,

(56:28):
yelling over the loud speaker, likeyelling at their boats and the other
guys in the bushell getting up andyelling and you know, cheering me and
throwing shit at me, like tossinglike you know, squid or whatever,
bait or what I mean, whatever, I just stuff off the deck like
there's any chump. They're just throwingcrap at me. Go by. I
was like, yeah, then Iwas trying someone through like a bottle aup
or something. I tried to avoidit. I lost my my knees,

(56:52):
kept the board. I didn't letgo the tow rope, and I held
on. I was just submarining behind, like just holding on, like you
know, just I don't know whatI was thinking, but I held on
for like one hundred and fifty yardsand then I let go. I started
swimming. I got the worst feelingthat dude, like I had that shark
vibe so hard. I was likeit was literally like one hundred and fifty
foot of visibility out there. I'mlooking around nothing. I'm like all right,

(57:14):
I'm just tripping over now that I'mokay, I'm being weird. So
I swam back to my board,and then my skipper didn't come back to
pick me up. He just wentto the end of the line and tied
up with one of those guys.Had a paddle of naked all the way
back to where they were, whichwas like several hundred yards a couple hundred
yards, and I kind of getthat creeped out feeling, and besides the
fact everyone's yelling at me and throwingstuff. And then we get on the

(57:37):
boat and we had a really ourlast toe of the day. He's only
toe during daylight hours for shrimp.He's in all the bottom. Baby flat
fish come up and you don't wantto catch them. But my skipper was
gnarly. He's kind of he waslame because he would do this the last
toe of the day. He'd leaveit down like an extra half hour or
too long, just to like tryto catch an extra like he would kill

(57:59):
like ten thousand pounds like baby,you know, halibit. You know,
flounders sold petrolley and various other fishand stuff. And for some reason that
day we kind of shit. Wecaught a ton of rat fish. You
know, rat fish are cliffing ofthose things. Yeah, I sure do.
Yeah, So we had a wehad several thousand pounds, so as

(58:19):
we had we had probably twenty thousandpounds or something of a dirty toe dumped
on the deck like. So wehad a bunch of work to do.
So we we went and partied fora while, but then we had to
clean the decks off. So we'rejust showing, you know, got the
snow shoulder, just throwing off justhours of shoveling dead baby. It was
as tragedy as I hate, butI was not even thinking about it.

(58:40):
But as we're doing that, likeyou know, we're chomming the water.
Basically I've been out of the waterfor like hour and a half. At
that point, this fifteen foot malewhite shark comes up. It was fourteen
fifteen foot probably about fifteen, andit was coming up and we had all
these rat fish. I was throwingrat fish in front of it, you
know, it would snap at himwhatever, And then we started like messing

(59:01):
with it, like you know,throwing out of its door stal or its
tail, and and uh I wasputting it up. I had we had
booy hooks for crabs from crabs seasand work on the on the roof.
So I grabbed a long booy hookand I put a rat fish on the
into that and I put it infront of the fish and then you know,
the shark and try to mess withme, you know, like just

(59:22):
you know, was swimming back andforth, and you know, it's just
cruising back and forth, back andforth. And uh so I started like
you like, doing like messing withit and then pretended like it was like
it was gonna not like it's Ican't really explain it right, but it
showed logic and planning like it itknew I was gonna, you know,
dip it in there and then puton the other side of its head.

(59:44):
And before I can even like Ias I did that, it basically snapped
and turned like it knew, itknew when I was going to do it.
It turned around and nailed the booystick like so fast. But what
really tripped me out was I didn'trealize how those things were almost like snakes,
Like how thing dude, Like,I didn't even seen it on any
of the videos. Really watching sharkAga, I've never seen a shark turn

(01:00:06):
that tight. It turned like ifits botty was like three and a half
four foot wide or whatever, threefoot wide, it turned around like a
space of like seven eight feet likejust like a you couldn't believe it bent
like that and how fast it was. Then it started really like then it
kind of started predicting what we're whatwe're gonna do, and it would it
would change it's it would change itsbehavior, like like anticipating what we were

(01:00:29):
gonna do from what we had justdone the previous couple of times, like
where we were gonna throw the fish, where we're gonna try to you know,
touching with the booye stick whatever.It was just kind of interesting,
you know, watching But I mean, so I think that thing might have
been around when I was doing thatswimming and paddling around out there. But
I was just gonna like how longthat would have been to get killed,
you know, get a bit,even just get bit whatever, like but

(01:00:51):
naked out there, like that'd bethe dumbest thing, Like that'd be the
dumbest shark attack of all the time. Oh yes, yes, and no,
that's just cool. That's just acool way to go if you have
to go anyway. I didn't haveto go. Well, yeah, apparently
not, you're still here. Butyou know, if your time is up,
a shark attack is a pretty goodway to go. I imagine like
dying, right, you die inand then you go to the afterlife and

(01:01:12):
you hang out at the bar onthe other side, and like people are
standing around it's like, well,how'd you die? So well, you
don't phazma, how did you die? Heart attack? How did you die?
Shark attack? Baby? That's cool, that's cool, you know,
that's that's that's drinks on. Youknow, you get free drinks all night
at the Heaven Bar after that one, right. I mean, if if
you went out like lou Bourne orsomething, or just take your whole chest

(01:01:34):
out in one bite and you're deadand literally half a second, that wouldn't
be so bad. But dude,I don't know. Then getting alive with
that that always freaked me out.I got I was always I was always
afraid of getting eaten alive. Yeah, I can see that. You know.
For for a while in my earlytwenties or whatever, I was thinking,
you know what I mean, Idon't want to go out in a
hospital with tubes up at all myorifices, you know that kind of thing.

(01:01:59):
It's like, what's a cool wayto die? To say, well,
shark attack, clearly, shark attacklike a big old shark, because
you know, a Quinton jaws orsomething like that. You know, great,
great death, great death. That'show he should have gone. And
then I noticed. Then I noticedat the time, I was working at
Fisherman's Hardware at Long Beach, atFishing Tackle store, and I noticed,
my god, I'm spending an awfullot of time on the water, like

(01:02:20):
i'd go out fishing on the partyboats, you know, two three times
a week, a lot of times. I'm spending an awful lot of time
on the water to have my preferreddeath be eaten by a big shark.
So I decided to change it tosomething that would never happen in a million
years, most ridiculous steath. Ican imagine getting killed by a sasquatch,
and now look at me, Ican imagine that I have imagined that,

(01:02:43):
not you, but me getting killed. I've had plenty, plenty of day
dreams about that, like just sleepingin your tent or something, to just
grabs your tent and start swinging outboulders or something or I don't know,
I've had plenty of dreams. Well, Bubbo, you know what of the
You've told us two shark stories andtwice maybe more. You mentioned feeling the
shark, like sensing it was there, and that reminds me so strongly as

(01:03:06):
sasquatches, right, because people cansometimes know that they're being watched or something
beforehand. With bigfoots, I thinkI attributed mostly to infosound, but it
might just be the presence of theanimal, you know, that that charismatic
sort of thing that large animals have. Yeah, it's kind of interesting that
you mentioned that with sharks as well, because no one feels like, no

(01:03:27):
one senses a black widow, youknow, or something small. I think
bass definitely has something to do that. I think their intent, like their
energy focused on you, like theireyesight focused on you. But I just
read something today about that thing ofbeing watched a total myth. Those scientific
studies said that, oh, well, that guy what was his name,
shell Drake, he did some stuffon that. I'm not sure what his

(01:03:52):
results were, but Rupert Sheldrake's arepretty wacky. Guy. He's got some
pretty crazy ideas. But some ofthem might be real. You know,
he's a outside the box and Ido enjoy those, but I think he
did some work on whether one cantell they're being stared at or not,
and it seemed to air slightly onthe side of yes, if I remember
correctly, but I don't know thatto be true, like fifty eight or

(01:04:14):
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