Ep. 258 - Q&A - April, 2024

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We sent out the link for thepodcast twenty five minutes ago. Would you
like to join us? Oh?Bobo? Hey kids, it's a Cliff
from Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff andusually Bobo. This time we have standing
in for Bobo. Number seventy four. Matt Pruitt. What's up, dude?

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Yeah, thank you very much.All right, So, yeah,
Bobo is not with us on thecall. We don't know what happened to
him. We don't know where heis, we don't know if he's awake,
asleep. Dead. Rumor is thathe's dead, but we deflate those
rumors almost weekly. I got moreemails about that just last week actually.
But hey, I'm sorry about Bobobeing dead because dude, he's not dead
anyway. So anyway, yeah,so instead of having Bobo on the line

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with us live, unless he showsup in the next ten or twenty minutes
or an hour, We're just gonnainterject little boboisms here and there throughout the
episode so you feel like he's therewith us. But anyway, yeah,
Bobo's nowhere to be found right now. But this is Bigfoot and Beyond with
Cliff and usually Bobo and today MattPreuitt. So anyway, Matt Prue,
how you doing, sir, I'mvery good. Just got back from the

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Path of Totality, where my wife'sfamily is from, so I got to
see the eclipse, and I hadtold you off the air. Unfortunately,
the last time there was an eclipsein twenty seventeen, where I live here
in Middle Tennessee was right in thepath of totality then, but I worked
for evil overlords that told us thatwe were needed on the phones. I
worked as a recruiter, and thatif anyone went outside to watch the eclipse,

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their position would be terminated. Sowe all missed it. And so
now that I've seen the glory ofthe eclipse, I feel like writing a
strongly worded letter to them to tellthem that they deserve a place in eternal
damnation. Oh yeah, yeah,there are no words strong enough for that.
You know. I did not geta chance to see this one.
I had to work. There's alot of reasons I couldn't travel this time

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of year right now. But anyway, I saw the last one in twenty
seventeen, and actually I saw itwith Bobo. If you were here,
you could tell us about it.So yeah, Bobo and I were there,
Tom Powell was there. I thinkthe b LARTs were out. It
was great, man, it wasso much fun and Melissa I just had
a blast. Tears came to myeyes. It was such a beautiful,

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beautiful thing. I think the wayI described to you what I saw,
Matt, was that the eclipse waseasily one of the top three coolest things
I've ever seen in my life,and I have no idea what the other
two things might be. It wasjust absolutely amazing. So any scumbag employer,
and I don't I can't say thatstrong enough. Any scumbag employer that

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would not let their employees step outsideto check out one of the miracles of
existence, you deserve nothing better thaneternal damnation. Oh, I totally agree.
You know, it's interesting too.I got a lot of emails and
you probably did as well, frompeople asking if we were planning to be
in the field to see if thereare any reactions from sasquatches, And so

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I just told people like, youknow, since so many animals do seem
to react to it, that you'dhave to assume that there's some degree of
continuity that perhaps sasquatches would react toit as well. But this time I
wanted to be with family instead ofyou know, sasquatches are not very good
family. They're very as I've saidbefore, emotionally distant. They never return
call, They're never there when youneed them. You know, I think
about them a lot more than theythink about me, and so I didn't

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feel inclined to enjoy the spectacle ofnature amongst such terrible friends as the sasquatch.
Yeah, and honestly, at theend of the day, I mean,
Bigfoot is in everything. It's mostthings in my life. But it
is and everything, and as evennerds like us have to put it down
at some point and enjoy it.Just what's happening, you know, it's
like it's like these people go toconcerts and would rather take pictures of the

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band instead of listen to the music. It's like, what are you doing?
What are you doing? There's actuallylife going on right now. Maybe
you should pay attention to that instead, just for a minute. And I
kind of feel Bigfoot in some ways. It's kind of similar, like if
you're so obsessed that during any clipsyou're wondering, no, wonder how bigfoots
are, but you're kind of missingthe point. Man, You're just missing
the point at that moment. Soyeah, it's good to have balance.

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Like I always have my devoted hoursof the day to the subject, whether
that's reading, studying, working onthis podcast, or other sasquatch related endeavors,
and then there's plenty of other thingsthat I use to sort of like
turn my brain off of that.And without that balance, yeah, things
get You can easily get burnt outon the things, no matter how much
you love them, if they justoccupy too much time or energy or something

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like that. And again, becausesasquatches are not very cooperative or rewarding critters,
I don't feel obligated to give themany more time than they deserve.
I suppose that's a good way tosay it. Yeah, because you know,
that's one of the things that peoplecoming into the subject who are fairly
new. And when I say new, I mean like five years or so.
I think that's fairly new at thismoment. You know, at least

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for me, it is. Itcan very easily throw your life out of
balance very quickly, and things cango awry. And this probably has something
to do with that. The legendarycurse of Bigfoot or whatever. You know,
a lot of cultures in general,like native cultures or otherwise have like,
oh, you know, you seea Bigfoot, it's bad news as
a curse, or someone's gonna diethis or that, you know, And

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I think there's some truth. There'ssome truth to that. I mean,
it's not verbatim. No one's goingto die, it's totally fine. But
things often come to those who maybesee a sasquatch will become interested in the
subject early on. It's early onbecause their life is out of balance,
you know. Like I know oneguy who was a really good drummer.

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Now this guy's a pretty good friendof mine, a really really good drummer.
He ended up seeing a sasquatch atone point, and then he completely
stopped drumming, and then he justwas bigfooting all the time, whereas before
he was in like four or fivebands. Now I think this gentleman's personality.
And again, I like this guya lot. He's a good friend
of mine. This guy's personality isone that swings pretty widely. You know.
The pendulum goes really far one direction, then really far the other,

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almost nothing but drums, and thenall of a sudden, I saw a
sasquatch. So I'm doing nothing butbigfoot. There is so much room in
between. There's plenty of time fordrums and bigfoot metaphorically speaking, and the
bigfoot subjects somehow captures people and justbrings brings that out. It's like,
I'm gonna just do this. I'mthere's nothing I'd rather do the be in

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the field. There's this, onlythis, only this, only this,
you know, And you look atthe carcasses along the side of the road
behind these people, you know,and you see a lot of things,
like you know, jobs and marriagesand friendships and relationships in general just just
thrown aside because of obsession or lackof balance, you know, and myself

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included I've gone through that, Absolutelyhave I gone through that. But I'm
also thirty years deep into the subjectat this point where I've learned a few
things from my time, and Ican say that with complete confidence that balance
is probably more important than bigfoot Athousand percent. I would agree with that,
and I've experienced that too, AndI tried to include a section in

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the book, especially the last chapter, is sort of an optimistic call to
action maybe or at least some generalguidelines about what I think is the proper
way to move forward. And thefirst thing that I lay out is you
have to realistically define your expectations.And I think that's where a lot of
people go astray and get burnt outvery quickly and experience a lot of headache

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and heartache because so many people startout with the expectation like, oh,
I'm going to either prove this tothe world or I'm going to be a
part of this community that proves itto the world. It's like, well,
you know, if you're setting thatgoal for yourself, you've got a
really, really hard road ahead thatno one has been able to navigate for
seventy years of this pursuit. Andso for the people that want to just

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prove it to themselves, it's likethey're going to have the most fun because
they get to be the arbiters ofwhat constitutes proof. You know, if
they choose to interpret a divot inthe ground or a bump in the night
as absolute proof that the Sasquatch existsto themselves, well great, you know
they've set the standard and they've metit, and they can move on or
continue to do so. The secondyou want to prove it to other people,

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well, now you're playing by theirstandards, because maybe the person that
you're trying to demonstrate something who doesn'taccept divots in the ground or bumps in
the night, And so if youexpect them to see the same value in
these sorts of experiences that you see, well you're setting yourself up for disappointment.
And then if you want to proveit to the world, while we
have to look to these institutions thatwe sort of designate to arrive at truth,

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and now you've got to play bytheir standards, which are much much
higher than any given individuals for themost part. And so I think that's
where a lot of people get frustratedwith the subject is that what constitutes proof
to them hardly does to another person. And of course, who do we
spend the most time with, whileit's our friends, our peers, our
colleagues, our loved ones, andso it can be really deflating to those

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people if they're going to the peoplemost proximal, the most immediate in their
lives to say, look at thisproof that I found, and they're saying,
hey, I'm sorry, I don'tsee what you're seeing in that.
That's not proof at all to me. And then people become bitter and resentful
and angry or disappointed. And it'sa tough gig for sure. Yeah.
I don't know about anybody else.I don't even really know about me sometimes,

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but it seems to me that myI don't have a goal. People
ask me that, and you know, it's kind of frustrating. Even last
night, I was cleaning up mydesktop on my computer and going through this
and putting this PDF and this fileand you know, doing that kind of
stuff, you know, housekeeping onmy computer just literally last night, and
I ran across it's a digital versionof a magazine that I was interviewed for
a number of years ago, andthen I said, I remember this.

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I never did read this, youknow, so I kind of glanced because
again, I don't watch the thingsI'm in the TV shows and what.
I don't read the articles that arewritten about me for the most part,
just because you know, I alreadyknow what I said, and I don't
want to see how the interviewer screwedit up, because generally speaking, it's
not quite the what I not quitewhat I intended it to say, but
but I have I just kind ofglanced this one over and right there at

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the beginning, it was like,you know, I I it said,
it cast me as a person whois intent on proving the species, and
I'm just not. I'm just not. I know they're real. I'm totally
I'm completely convinced they're real. Imean, I'm going to call that.
I know they're real. I've hadlots and lots of they things happening.
I Mean, my sighting wasn't thebest in the world, but I think

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it was one. I could bewrong, I mean, I'm open to
that, but I'm pretty confident itwas one even nowadays. You know,
this last week, I went toa location out in the woods that nobody
knew I was going to be there. I wasn't even sure I was going
to be walking that road and Ifound footprints. You know, that says
a lot to me, you know. I mean, I'm completely convinced these
things are real. Why do Ineed to prove it to somebody? I

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don't care what other people think,you know. I mean, so people
ask me like why am I doingthis? You know? And I can
always come up with reasons that Iguess, but there is no driving reason
because despite what culture says I shoulddo, or should be or should have,
I don't really have goals. I'mnot a goal driven individual, you

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know. I don't try to reachthis pinnacle, this point, this skill
level, this whatever. I dothings because I enjoy them, you know,
just like going for a walk.If I leave the house to go
for a walk, it's not toget somewhere because it turns out I always
come back home. It's actually justto go out and experience the thing itself,
the actual walk, And I viewBigfoot and playing guitar and most things

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that way. But anyway, soyeah, this goal thing has always kind
of eluded me. I just don'treally adhere to that mindset, so I'm
not out there trying to prove it, despite what that magazine article said said
about me, which I guess isa danger of being a public figure because
you're constantly mischaracterized. Yeah, well, you've got to play a certain role.
You know. They want to interviewa character, and so they're going

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to fit you into that character role, whether whether you fit into it naturally
or not. But you know,I think we all have goals that are
hopefully reasonable and attainable, even ifwe put them just out of reachion,
even if that goal is just likeI'm going to go out in the field
and see what I can see.And goals are a little bit different than
expectations, I would say. Ifyou're saying, like I expect to go

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out and find evidence, that's apretty tough proposition. Let alone, I'm
going to go out and acquire prooffor the world. And so you know,
I certainly have goals, but Ithink they're as realistic as I can
make them, and certainly some areloftier than others, Like I would love
to have the experience of seeing one. I was in communication with the gentleman
who read the book and had aninterest in starting a dialogue and we're sort

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of talking through some of the points, and you know, he leans more
that the psychological hypothesis is the morelikely, and obviously I'm arguing that I
think the biological hypothesis is simpler andtherefore more likely. But you know,
I do agree that there's a psychologicalphenomenon occurring, whether or not there's a
biological route at the base of it. But I had brought up, you

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know, of all these years ofwishing to see one and hoping and mentally
preparing myself, like I've never hadthat experience, and not only that,
but I've never even had one inmy dreams, Like I've never even had
a a sighting of a sasquatch anda dream that I can recall. And
so that's why I kind of gigglea little bit when certain skeptics or cynics

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would say that, oh, well, the sasquatch is just a wish fulfillment,
it's just a desire people see whatthey want to see. And I
always joke like, well, ifthat were true, I would have seen
one hundred of them by now.So if it is simply a psychological phenomenon,
whatever portion of the human psyche producessuch images, I must not have
it, And I said that couldeither be a blessing or a bummer.
I suppose, And what I meantby that, it's like, it's still

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a matter of faith for me thatpeople do have these experiences, because I've
interviewed many people, many of whomare great friends, who claim to have
seen a sasquatch in broad daylight,unobstructed and I believe them. And could
I be wrong, well, sure, but I do believe that they've authentically
had that experience. But it's stillan act of faith because I can't say
that I know that such experiences occurbecause it's never happened to me. But

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I do think those are authentic experiences. I think that the most likely source
is something exogenous to the observer andnot something indogenous and strictly internal. So
I would say, of all thebig goals, that's the big goal that
is totally out of my reach,is like I would love to see when
maybe that never happens. But themore proximal goals like oh, well,

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I'm going to get out in thefield for four days. I'm going to
explore, I'm going to see what'sthere to be seen. Maybe I'll have
some interesting wildlife encounters. Maybe I'llfind something really cool or historic or interesting.
Like the last time I was outin North Georgia a couple of weeks
ago, found a really cool oldhomestead, like the remnants of a foundation
and a chimney all stone and areally remote drainage, And so I love

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finding things like that, and thoseare like little mini goals. Well,
I accomplished something. I found somethingcool, and you know, do a
lot of searching online and I don'tsee that anyone else ever found this,
or if they did, they didn'tpost pictures of it on the internet.
And so goals and expectations should definitelybe put in their proper place, you
know. Yeah, that's it soundslike you're describing like capital G goals and

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little G goals. Yeah, becauselittle G goals are I mean, I
guess, I guess I do havesome of those, but I don't think
of them as goals. I thinkI think of them as like, uh,
that would be cool, you know, and that's really about it,
you know, like I'd like tosee one that would be cool, but
that's not really the goal. Imean, that's not what I'm doing here.

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You know, I'm just I'm justenjoying it. Stay tuned for more
Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogowill be right back after these messages.
Yeah, And I'm sure you geta lot of people reaching out to ask
for advice, and you know that'sthat's usually the response that I give is

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to find your expectations and you know, try to conduct yourself accordingly to those
expectations and do your best to makethem realistic expectations. I think when most
people reach out for advice, theywant to know, like what audio recorder
do you recommend, or where specificallyshould I go? And I think,
no, there's something else that undergirdsall that that needs to be grasped first.
And once you grasp that, thenyou can move on to the next

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stages of making purchases or you know, going wheels up and putting boots on
the ground in places. But ifyou have a strong foundation and what it
is that you actually hope will happen, that you expect will happen, that
you would like to happen or liketo achieve, then everything else can be
very enjoyable. But like you said, I've seen it really consume a lot

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of people and destroy relationships from professionalrelationships to friendships to marriages, you know,
and it can be really sad.But I'm sure the same is true
and a great many other endeavors.It's just that this one is so much
harder for the average person to signon to because a lot of it is
experience dependent. We've had our ownexperiences, and so that certainly fuels and

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informs a lot of our desire tomove forward. You know, if you
had never found a track, ifyou had never heard a sound, you
know, it would probably be alot more difficult to find the motivation time
and time again. But expect todescribe that sound to another person to have
them go, hey, I'm totallyon board. Like that's just not going
to happen in most cases. Andso I think that's where people get so

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frustrated, is that they want thevalues that they see in the subject to
be immediately conferred to another person andthat another person will see it, and
it's just not the way our interestswork or the way that our brains are
wired. And so getting that firmfoundational grasp is really a necessary step if
someone wants to have any longevity becauseI cannot tell you, and you probably

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ten times more than me. Icannot tell you how many people I've encountered
since two thousand and seven, let'ssay, when I started speaking publicly about
it and being involved with BFRO expeditionsthat were brand new to the subject,
just total neophytes who had like thetemerity, like this abundance of confidence to
say, oh, I'm going toget this thing figured out in a year.

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And ninety nine point nine percent ofthose people I have never heard from
again. I've never seen their namesanywhere. They just completely engaged. It's
like they were so certain that theycould take down this foe, so to
speak, they could slay this proverbialdragon. And I think they realized pretty
quickly how difficult it is. Andthey don't even back off. They just

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walk away completely. You know.Yeah, when people ask me advice,
I always got to know where whatangle they're coming from. But my first
advice is basically rewording what you said. It is like, go for a
different reason. Go to the woodsfor a different reason than encountering a bigfoot,
because you know, if you gofor another reason like camping or fishing

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or mushroom hunting or hiking, you'llcome back successful nearly one hundred percent of
the time. If you go forBigfoot, you will come back unsuccessful nearly
one hundred percent of the time.Then they they kind of laugh, and
I go, well, oh,wait a minute, hold on, hate
to interrupt this conversation, Hey bobs, what's happening? Man? I just

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got all of Texas eighteen Texas somedifferent people last couple of days. I
didn't know about the pot waiting tohear something. Anyways, I'm on the
bridge, all right now, allright, well, give me a call
when you're back on your computer.Okay, Well, actually the link has
already been sent. Go ahead andclick it and join us. All right,

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talk to you soon. But wellthat's good news. Oh bobo,
oh bobo. You know, ohbobo is a palindrome as long as you
don't as long as you don't spelloh h Anyway, what we were going
to say, I was going tosay along those lines of giving advice because
there are so many new people.Do you remember when you were new,

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Like, is there any advice thatstuck out with you that still holds true
to this day that you're grateful youreceived in those early days? You know
what. The earliest days I wasalone because you know, I'm, as
most of our listeners know, I'ma pretty like you know, crippling introvert.
In a lot of a lot ofways, I'm a professional extrovert.
I'm good at what I do.But you know, I really did this

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alone from two thousand, I'm sorry, from nineteen ninety three or four up
until about two thousand and two thousandand one. That was my first branching
out into the Bigfoot land. SoI was doing it for six or seven
years alone. So I didn't havea lot of advice. It's just kind
of fumbling in the dark. Butwhen I did finally get to a certain
point, probably what's stuck with memore than anything is advice or modeling.

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I guess by Kathy's train and TommyAmarone basically of documentation about the evidence is
very, very important because I wenton a little field trip I guess with
Kathy and Bob and Mantra and allsorts of people were there. That's where
I met. I already knew TommyAmarone. He was there and a bunch

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of good people were there, andit was a weekend workshop of documentation of
evidence and I think that that obviously, I mean, if you know who
I am as a bigfooter, Ithink that obviously left an indelible impression upon
me. That evidence is really reallyimportant. When you combine that early influence
with my general introversion and you know, and low tolerance for extended social interactions,

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you can see why I don't puta lot of emphasis on siting reports,
but I really put a lot onphysical evidence. So I don't know
if that counts as advice or not, you know, but it's certainly influenced
who I am today, you know. And that was twenty something years ago,
twenty five years or twenty three twentyfive years ago or something. So
yeah, those early influences certainly talent, I suppose. Yeah, I would

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agree with that. The first mindsthat I communicated with were in book form
on the subject, you know,because I was alone for those early years
too, and so I think therewas a lot to be gleaned from that.
But I got very lucky that Imet people early on when I did
start interacting with other people who werekind and friendly and reasonable and not jumping
to conclusions and not everything was asasquatch, And so I look back,

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and I'm like, that's kind ofwinning the lottery in a lot of ways,
because it could have easily gone anotherdirection. And so having a sort
of a firm series of interactions withthose people before I started meeting other people
who were a little more loose withtheir standards of evidence straight on to people
who were just completely outlandish or justtotal liars and hoaxers. I'm glad that

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I met the right people first,and a lot of those people are still
my friends to this day, thankfully. But yeah, I guess, yeah,
the models for emulation are just asimportant as any words, you know,
any like axioms, or aphorisms oradages that you might encounter. But
some of those are helpful. Butthere's also the case that you can tell
a young person anything and it justgoes in one to ear it out the

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other. Like that certainly would havehappened with me, as I would have
probably not taken as much of theadvice as I should have. Yeah,
young people, you know, Iwas young once too, couldn't tell me
anything. Yeah, but you know, one of the other pieces of advice
that I give because I know whatthey're asking, you know, when they
say what advice do you have likefor it? Want to get out there
and do field research. And they'reout they're asking what you mentioned earlier,
you know, what kind of gearor something like that. So I always

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sideswipe him with the go for otherreasons and you would say, you know,
temper your expectations. But realistically,one of the first pieces of advice
that I give is look where they'vebeen seen before. I mean, it's
as simple as that. Look wherethey've been seen before, and look for
clusters of reports. And you knowwhat really drove that home is when I
was on Finding Bigfoot, you know, because finding Bigfoot was an incredible,

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incredible education in bigfoot and big footingand all sorts of stuff, and a
lot of amazing lessons came out ofthat. But money Maker would if there
was a report from an area wherewe happened to be that week, if
there was a report from say acampground or something like that that he liked,
he trusted it, Maybe he trustedthe investigator, maybe he spoke to

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the witness like something in flats Andof course, if you don't know,
FLATS is the behind the scenes BFROdatabase of citing reports. If there was
something in flats that that really tickledhis brain for some good way. He
would go to that same campground andcamp in that same camp site, and
he would get activity a significant percentageof the time, you know, like

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twenty thirty percent of the time ormore by doing the exact same things and
the exact same places as previous witnessesdid. And I think and that really
drilled at home. I figured,you know, at the time, it's
like, yeah, animals or arecreatures a habit? You know, you
go to the same place where theywere at a certain time, maybe there's
a resource there. But he woulddo like the exact same camp site and

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he would get good results a significantpercentage at the time. And that really
started drilling at home. And now, of course nowadays, as I talk
about all the time on the podcast, you know, we're finding footprints within
ten feet of where we has thembefore. So that has really been solidified
in my psyche. So just findinglocal reports where there's a cluster of reports

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like maybe two to three four reportsor so within five miles, that tells
you all you need to know.Go there. Yeah, simply being there
in the right environment is a hugestep in the process. And I do
think because I felt it myself whenI was young, and I encounter it
with people now that people sort ofassume that, well, there's a goal

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and so therefore there's a path,and so if you take the right steps
in the right order along the path, you'll hit the goal. And so
people will say, like what shouldI do? Like do you knock once
or do you knock twice? Doyou knock once and wait five minutes?
Do you knock three times, waittwenty minutes, as if you know there's
some secret code or some combination ofactions you can take that will result in
Oh, one will definitely show upif you do these things in this specific

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sequence. And it just doesn't workthat way, and it can get deflating
for people because there's really nothing betterthat you can do than be in the
environment and keep your eyes in,the ears open, and be prepared if
you have a camera or whatever thecase may be. And it feels like
inactivity. Oh, you're telling meI should just go camping and sit out
there. That's not very active,it's not very involved. And I suffer

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from that too, because I'm apretty kinetic person, so I usually have
a hard time sitting still, andI want to explore and walk around and
see what's to be seen. ButI do know that, like no,
the best thing you could do isjust be in the right habitat and be
still and quiet and very very observant, pay attention, pay close attention.
But it's just not as romantic asthe notion of trying to establish communication or

(27:21):
you know, mimicking them, emulatingthem using some secret code that they'll fall
for every time. And so Iget that part of it, but I
think a lot of times that's whatpeople are looking for, is what things
should they do that would be surefireways to summon them in. You know,
like Daryl always says, you know, there is no panacea, there
is no magic bullet, and youknow, you just get lucky. And

(27:44):
the only way, you know,in a right place, right time equation.
You try to be in the rightplace for as much time as you
can, and maybe you'll get lucky, and that's really the best you can
do. Oh yeah, I totallyagree with that. I've been interacting with
this one gentleman who wants to throwmoney at the and there's and I keep
telling them there's really no place toput that money. You're just wasting it,

(28:06):
you know. I mean, youcould send somebody out with twenty bucks
and get the same result as twentythousand if he's if that person's in the
right place at the right time.That's what it comes down to. It's
not a money thing, you know. And of course people with a lot
of money aren't used to hearing thatthat your money is no good here.
That doesn't help in any way.It's just a matter of luck and perseverance.

(28:27):
That's that's really it. So thesepeople don't like to hear that because
people with money think that money cansolve anything. And for a lot of
things, yeah, it can solvethings like debt. It can solve things
like I need a vehicle or somethinglike that. But for the most part,
with bigfoot, you know, ifyou're out there, but you know,

(28:47):
boots on the ground, you're suddenlyyour money is no good. You
know, your money's not good foranything at all when you're walking on a
trail. So it can make youa lot more comfortable and well fed while
you're sitting waiting for something to happenand nothing happens exactly. It can help
you pass that time more quickly,but Yeah, that's what I think.
That's one of the things I likeabout the woods. It's like when you're

(29:07):
out there, you're off trail,your bottom of some river, river valley
somewhere, you're you know, you'regoing over logs and stuff like that.
Suddenly you know your bank account hasabsolutely no bearing on anything whatsoever, nor
does the type of car you driveor how you dress, except for you
know, you might be cold orwarm. That's really about it. It's
a great equalizer. Certainly agree withthat. Yeah, anyway, so I

(29:27):
thought these conversations I've been having acouple couple different people with who Someboddy tucked
away. I find them enjoyable becauseI think I'm correct in this. I
know that Bobo took a disagreed afew weeks ago or a month or so
ago when we were talking about thesame thing. He thinks that gear and
whatever else will solve it. Butgear can't put you close to one.

(29:48):
You know, if you're at theright place at the right time, then
maybe your fancy pants gear will help, but maybe not, because you only
get a couple of seconds worth ofobservation to make it happen. So stay
tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond withCliff and Bobo. We'll be right back
after these messages. Oh, speakof the Devil himself, Bobes, can

(30:15):
you hear us? Yeah? Igot you? Hey, Bobo? How
you doing? Man? All right? Sorry that dude. I was driving.
I was pulling up to the stoplightto go over the bridge, and
all of a sudden, my phonejust went So I just started. Message
after message after message came through.I tried to call on Prus. I
wouldn't even dial out. Earlier Iwas trying. I was going, I'll
thought we'd do something booked by now, and then I was like, oh,

(30:37):
I haven't heard anything. So Itook off and I just got back.
Should we should we put the screengrab of when you agreed to do
this podcast up on the members sectionWhat's up? A couple of days ago.
It looks like on at ten ohfive am on Monday, you said
that we were gonna you were okayto do this podcast? Uh? Well,
the last one I saw said twothere Wednesday's best for us. That

(31:00):
I'm wide open then anything else okay. Yeah, though the one right after
that, I guess it says,okay, let's do Wednesday. It doesn't
matter. We're here now. Well, Boba, now that you're here,
we were planning on doing a Qand A at this moment, but Matt
and I are just kind of shootingthe poop about various topics and subjects,
et cetera. But since you're here, we have time for a couple of
the submissions. We're gonna save thevoicemails for next time, So we're gonna

(31:22):
go straight to the written submissions thistime and see how many of those we
can get through for this month,and then we'll head over to the Patreon
section, the member section, uhto answer all of those questions? Sound
good? Yeah, okay, it'stough to be the Bobes. Also,
you don't get this on any otherpodcasts. This is gold. Everybody loves

(31:48):
this about you, not me.I kind of have a love hate relationship
with it myself, honestly. Butall right, well, anyway, let's
go on. Let's take the firstquestion for our Q and A this week.
This one comes from Brandon cowboc Hey. Guys, Patty's height was calculated
by comparing known casts of her footto the PG film. Are there any

(32:10):
other examples of this? And ifso, what height did they determine the
animal to be? Ooh, Iknow this one. Take it, yeah,
the Freeman footage, now do youtake it close? Well, now,
this was not done with the Framanfootage, because we don't. The
Patterson Giblin film, to my knowledge, is the only piece of bigfoot footage
that we have that we can seethe entirety of the underside of the foot,

(32:32):
the entire planter surface is called,and you need that in order to
make a determination using the casts.And of course that is rife with error,
by the way, just because ofthe fuzzy outline of the foot.
And it's not because the film isfuzzy and out of focus. It's because
of the granular size of the footageitself, of the individual frames. So

(32:53):
there's at least a half inch variabilityhalf inch margin of error on the side
of each of those footprints, oron the side of each of the pictures
of the feet. And you knowthat stacks up, say six times well
six times one half. I meanthat that kind of adds up pretty quick,
man. So we're talking a prettybig air on either side of the

(33:15):
foot. That adds like maybe sixinches or subtraxi. So we don't know
exactly how big Patty is. Wedo have a range, though. The
range I think it's this point cansafely be said between six and seven feet.
I like just to say six anda half feet because with that plus
or minus six inches there it addsup. Now somebody's out there saying,
well, clip six times one halfis three. Yeah, but there's two

(33:37):
sides of the foot, right,so don't forget about that. Don't forget
about that. So the give ortakes six inches there. So I say
six and a half feet tall becausethat seems pretty safe. Now the model
we have in the NABC, becausewe have a full size picture of Patty
with the cast placed right next toher foot to show that they are pretty
much the same size. When wedid it here at the museum, she

(34:00):
only clocked out be like a likeright at six feet if I remember right
now. Of course, that's veryconservative. It's probably the smallest that she
is reasonably construed to be. Butat the same time, the point of
that exhibit here in the NABC ishow massive she is. She's not very
tall, but she's you know,thirty one in shoulders or something like that.

(34:21):
She is absolutely she is a barrelwalking on two legs. She is
absolutely huge, even at the smallestexpected height of the animal. But to
my knowledge, to get back toBrandon's question, there are no other examples
of footage that we can do thiswith. Well, probably the closest would
be the Freeman though. I mean, like, you know, seeing the
subject and the footprints right there.Yeah, but you can't use the footprints

(34:45):
to measure the height of the figure, right, No, that's true.
Did it come in close to beingPatty's size your estimations? Right? Yeah,
Yeah, the work I've done atthe site of she's probably about six
six and a half feet tall,that thing, that the Freeman's thing,
the Freeman figure. But you know, we also don't even have measurements of
the footprints in the ground. Pauldidn't put a tape measure down in front.

(35:07):
Also, they're measuring no, no, no, no, Paul just
filmed them and kept going. Butwe do have two casts from that footage
site though, Paul cast one.Actually, Paul and West Summerlind both cast,
and most people don't know. Westcast one of those things, but
not the same day. Paul andWes came back the next day, on

(35:29):
the twenty first, of August nineteenninety two. I'm gonna say that again.
By the way, I've seen onceagain, there's this a whole rash
of misreporting the date of the Freemanfilm as nineteen ninety four. That is,
that is not correct. Some bloggersare out there putting it out there.
I saw it on Twitter last week. I kind of held myself back

(35:50):
from correcting it. But it's nineteenninety two. Everybody thinks it's nineteen ninety
four because Doug Hichek made that mistakein Sasquatch Legend Meat Science. He put
that out there as nineteen ninety four. It's nineteen ninety two. August twentieth
is when they filmed it. Butanyway, Paul and West came back on
the twenty first with a local TVstation camera crew and they cast footprints at

(36:12):
the site. There's actually photographs ofPaul casting these footprints, and we have
that cast, and then there's amuch lesser known cast in the Summerland collection
taken at that same time in sameplace. I wish they would have cast
another ten. They should have castanother ten. In my opinion, I
would have, but you know me, I'm a little obsessive about those things.
But anyway, we do have those, but are they the same animal?

(36:37):
Almost almost for sure ninety nine percent, But there's always that margin erring.
You know, we did not seewe did not get a footprint cast
from where that animal was seen walking, So there's always that was it was
there two cents of tracks there too, right, No, there's only one,
just one, although Paul did say, oh, I guess there's two

(36:57):
of them now. He said that, And I've had long discussions with Michael
Freeman about this. We don't knowwhy you said that that. There's a
couple possible explanations. Okay, maybehe heard two of them at the same
time. Maybe that's true. Wedon't really know, can't tell him.
The footage now, my recreations atthe site indicate that Paul almost certainly lost

(37:19):
sight of the thing because when thething walks in front of the trees over
to the left, you know,it pauses behind the trees and looks at
Paul and goes over to the left. There's a cut in the camera by
the time Paul gets up there.Again. We don't know how long,
how much times happened there. Wehave no idea, there's no way to
know that when Paul gets up thereto where the animal actually walked across the

(37:39):
road, he's looking in the wrongdirection from where the animal went. He's
looking back a little bit further bythat big stump. He's not even looking
in the right direction. And thenhe eventually finds the animal walking away where
the possible baby lift happens and allthat other stuff. Right, So,
I think Paul lost sight of thething and thought there might have been two

(38:00):
of them there. But also Michaeltells me that when he saw the animal,
and of course there's some discrepancy ina story too. I think Michael
and I have talked about this,and we think that he kind of chickened
out. And for such a bigdude, he was like six foot four,
two hundred and eighty pounds, hewas a big, big dude who
wasn't afraid of anything. You know. His initial report had something like the

(38:21):
sasquatch was being aggressive at him,like charged at him or ran at him
or did something like that. Andwe don't know if that's the case for
he's cover and for his he kindof chickened out, honestly, is what
happened. We don't really know whatthe thing was, Yeah, because I
saw footage. I saw some footagethat way back when the right after that
happened, like right around the timeit happened ninety two. That was supposedly

(38:46):
I think it was, Yeah,ray Crow had it. I think it
was ray Crow had it. Itmust have been some kind of fake or
something. Maybe it was a gorillafrom Africa footage. But it was like
some giant black thing in the brushcomes charging a guy tearing it up and
he falls down and goes, oh, you know, it starts like kind
of crying. You're like going,oh no, Like it looked real.

(39:07):
It sounded real. I mean itwas pretty intense and I've never seen it
since. But we talked to MichaelFreeman. He said, no, that
was definitely not his father. Yeah, there's I don't, I don't.
I'm not aware of any footage,and I'm pretty aware of the Freeman stuff
at this point. It would havecame out by how Yeah, there's there's
the first Freeman footage. Freeman gotfootage. I believed the previous April.
I have to check the date,but I think it was previous April,

(39:30):
not that far away. And thenhe got the stuff at d Duck Springs
in August, so he did gettwo pieces of footage. But that first
piece of footage really doesn't show verymuch. It's with the same camera or
the same kind of camera. CertainlyI think I think it was the same
camera. I could be wrong aboutthat, but it really doesn't show very
much. There's a couple of footprintsin the ground, and really that's about
it. That the second one isreally stellar compared to the first one.

(39:52):
But yeah, but anyway, whenthe thing, Paul reports seeing the thing,
and Michael says that he remembers hisdad talking about a weird hump on
its back, almost like it wasmiss miss mouth shaping, you know,
of some sort. And now we'rekind of wondering, well, maybe that
was a baby, you know,if the thing is picking up a juvenile,
maybe that that's what Paul saw,and maybe that's what he meant by

(40:14):
there's two of them, but wedon't We just don't know. But the
footprints at the site that are oncamera, the stuff that we can take
to the bank, the stuff that'sactually on camera seemed to be a known
individual, and that same individual isrepresented in the footprints that Paul and Wes
cast the next day. So that'swhat that's what we can take. That's

(40:35):
what we know. We'll take thatto the bank. That that seems to
be the same animal that left thePrince and the fine Duff, which is
almost certainly the same animal that Paulfilmed. But we digress from Brandon's question.
Sorry, it's all right, that'swhat I think they listen. I
think a lot of people listen tothis podcast in order to hear us digress.
This is a question that comes ina lot, and I know it's

(40:57):
been addressed before, but it's beena long time since either of you have
addressed it. So this would begood for newer listeners and fans of the
show. From Steve Lancaster, whenyou were getting activity in an area on
finding Bigfoot, why did you guysgo to another location? Because we had
to book everything in advance, andyou had to have film permits for certain
days, and because you can't justshow up and like get eighteen hotel rooms

(41:22):
and six SUVs in some small podunk, little regional airport like we're usually be
based out of somewhere like that,and it's just logistics. So it's strictly
logistics because we were We couldn't believeit at first. We were like,
we got in here, let's go, well, let's go get them right
now while we leave them. Butyeah, it's it sounds it sounds like

(41:42):
stupid, but it's reality is youhad to do it that way if you're
going to be on the road.Yeah, every one of the episodes that
we filmed what was being planned tosome degree for at least three months before
we put boots on the ground.They generally tried to get together a day
by day schedule. But after thefirst season of Finding Bigfoot was done,
and you know, we kind ofyou know, got things going in the

(42:06):
Bigfoot direction as opposed to just makingtelevision, which is kind of what they
were expecting, I think for along time. You know, once they
started seeing and we both both parties, the Bigfooters and the TV production company,
once both parties started seeing what theother one needed, they became much
more flexible with us, and wereally appreciate it. You know. Of
course, you know, we stillbutted heads and stuff like that, but

(42:28):
I think that we made a greatshow because of that, because the production
company was willing to set aside whatthey normally do to make television and be
a little bit more flexible. Butgenerally speaking, things are planned out day
by day. You have a certainnumber of days to be there, and
there's a ton of money writing onthat episode. I mean, I don't
know how much they cost, butseveral I think it's safe to say that

(42:50):
each episode probably costs several hundred thousanddollars then about four and fifty thousand per
episode. But half of that wassupposed to be for like post you know,
all the editing and sound and allthat stuff, right, right,
So whatever the number is, it'shuge, right, So, and our
production companies are scared because they're there. Their network overlords have given them this
giant chunk of money to make themhappy. So everything's planned out really well.

(43:12):
Now. Of course, the findingBigfoot thing, because we were so
stubborn and because the Bigfooters were justso disagreeable and personality, we kind of
had our way a little bit morethan perhaps I think a lot of other
TV shows. If you're filming ina house somewhere you know, or in
like a ghost show, for example. I have no idea if there've been
on a ghost shoot, I don'tknow, but we had our way a
little bit more. So we eventuallygot softened softened up the production company to

(43:37):
the point where, say, likeat a town hall meeting, if somebody
showed up with a picture or afootprint, cast or some amazing story that
we're super excited to be involved in, they would actually let us do those
things instead of the one or tworingers that we had in the audience in
case nobody else could showed up,because no matter what, we had to
make a show. So we'd raidthe BFROO database or Bobo's friends or my

(44:00):
database, and then we make surethat we had enough witnesses so we can
film a show no matter what.But if somebody showed up, that was
even better. We'd bump somebody andtake them instead. And that is a
huge degree of flexibility. But stillnothing is so flexible that like, Okay,
well, you know what, we'resupposed to go to West Virginia next
week, Let's just forget about thatand stay at the spot an extra few

(44:22):
days. You can't do that.You just can't do that because the money
and the expectations, and the factthat all of the production schedule had already
been more or less planned out withsome wiggle room in there three months ahead
of time. So that's pretty muchwhy. Because at the end of the
day, Finding Bigfoot isn't bigfooting.It's a TV show about some bigfooters kind

(44:45):
of. That's really what it comesdown to. It's a TV show first
and foremost made by a TV shownetwork, by a TV show production company
for TV viewers. If you wantbigfooting, go bigfooting. But we did
a pretty good job at it.I'd say, I mean, I I
don't like TV, but I mean, I mean I laugh at some of

(45:07):
our TV shows now because it's beenso long, I don't. I don't.
I can't remember like, oh,you know, like Bobo was being
a jerk that to me that episodeor something. You know, I was
like, I don't think of itlike that anymore. You know. I
was never a jerk to you.No, No, you never were.
But I mean I didn't want topick on money Maker or Ana either,
so I just said you it wasmost like it was most likely Moneymaker or
Renee. I'm just teasing. Butbut nonetheless, I don't. I don't

(45:29):
look at the I'm not close enoughto the episodes now that I can look
at it and go, oh thatthat one sucked because of this or something
like that. You know now nowthey're just funny. They're a lot funnier
than I remember them being. You'rewelcome. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and
Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. Willbe right back after these messages. This

(45:54):
next question comes from Mike Carey.Hello there, y'all. Love the show,
and yes, I am a believer. As a child, my family
camped at what I think was tishTang campground. I remember a fish lake
near Hoopa, California. Indigenous peopleat the nearby store said that they never

(46:14):
go there because there is something oddabout it. Do you know this area?
Is there a fish lake? Doyou know if the Indigenous people have
an area they are freaked out by? Up there? Are there areas there
that y'all won would not go to. Again, Love the show and keep
it squatchy, Yeah, I meantish Tang's definitely. That's the very southern

(46:35):
border of Hoopa. When you goon the reservations coming up from Willakirk.
It's a killer campground. I lovethat spot. It's beautiful. They cleaned
it up a lot. It's anchor. The guy was on the show with
us. His daughter runs it andthey did a good job of keeping it
cleaned up. And it's usually empty. I mean it's usually pretty empty,
and you can access there's a killerswimming spot. There's a big swimming hole

(46:57):
in a rock you can jump off, and yeah, I love that.
And that's also where Al Hotston castin also nineteen ninety two. I think
it was ninety two, Yeah,i'll cast or was it eighty eight?
Shit, I can't remember. Itwas tier eighty eight or ninety two,
but anyways, that was the cast. I got a cast copy from him,
and that was the print that thethat was the model for my big

(47:21):
foot print tattoo on my arm.Was that cast from tish Tang? You
have a copy of that print?I did. You don't know what happened
to it, that's gone. Ohthat's unfortunate. I didn't even know they
made molds of it. Then,Yeah, I've seen that cast. Of
course it was a sand copy.Oh okay, right, that makes sense.
Yeah, the eighty nine, bythe way, I'm just looking it
up. That's nineteen eighty nine.Oh okay, yeah. So but yeah,

(47:45):
the Indians were afraid to go therefor a long time because about three
hundred years ago, there was achieftain. They had like seven villages and
that was the furthest one south andthe headman of that village. You know,
it was a small little village,a couple of whatever families. They
had seven seven I think girls livethere, and supposedly sasquatches came in raided
the place kidnapped all seven of thegirls and that's why Tishtang was abandoned and

(48:08):
no one lived there for I mean, no one's still no one lives there.
Well, Eager's daughter lives there,but other than that, no one
lives there. Beautiful area, thegood swimming hole fish Like, yeah,
that's that's definitely squatchy. Ut there'sbeen there's stuff still reported out of there.
I mean that's a pretty consistent spot. There's just always people camping.
There's the problem, like you justfeel a sneaking there in the winter,

(48:28):
like when they close the gates becausethere's like three miles from the road,
you can cruise in there and haveit all to yourself. But there's always
people in there now, Like there'salways like illegal campers and people fishing in
there because they stock it. Itis a great campsite though. I mean
even when there are people there,there are sasquatches around. Just said,
I wouldn't go around knocking and calling. It's disrespectful to the other people.

(48:49):
You don't need to there either.I think it's counterproductive of that spot.
Yeah, there's that road that goesaround the whole thing. I'd love to
walk that road tonight. I'd neverhave. You haven't, Yeah, you
have. No, I've never walkedthe entire around the entire lake at night
on that road. I I've donethat quite a few times. No,
I never have, because I mean, I mean I used to camp at
fish Fish Lake if after long likea twelve hour drive up there when I

(49:13):
lived in Long Beach or whatever.But nowadays you know now that it's only
like seven hours away or something.If there's somebody staying there, I just
won't stay there. I know toomany other spots in the area. I
don't sit there in probably fifteen years. But it's a cool spot. I
like. The whole area around therewas great. Yeah, when I was
a bluff last time, which Ithink was a year ago, September or

(49:35):
something like that, it's the lasttime I made it down to Bluff Creek.
I did drop by there. Ididn't camp there because two of the
camp sites it might be there's kindof a lot of campsites. I mean
how many boats, probably one hundredor eighty fifty maybe what at fish Lake?
Yeah, I think there's sixty orsomething like that. Okay, right
in there. Yeah, two ofthem were occupied, and that was too
much for me. And talk abouthistory. That that wasn't Irwin? What

(49:59):
it was that Guy Erlin? Youknow, I just found an article on
him. No really, yeah,well, I mean he's in the article
about Bigfoot. Yeah. I washelping out the Humble Historical Society and we
got like thirty five years of backor thirty years of back newspapers from the
time standard. They were getting ridof all their old puplicate copies and there

(50:22):
was just a warehouse of this stuff. So I was helping go through those
and I found a couple of bigFoot articles. I found the stuff from
two thousand and seven, the thingwe threw it will look quick remember for
the fortieth anniversary. Oh yeah,yeah, that was that was in there,
and then an article related to that. Irwin was in there, and

(50:42):
they had his age wrong and hadsome of the story wrong. With Yeah,
it's uh, he was. Theymentioned him in there and he was
talking about fish Lake. That's wherehe brought up, like fish Lake.
I've seen him there twice and I'veheard him there many times. So yeah,
it goes way back. I hopeyou saved those Yeah, I did.
That's cool. That's really cool.They have a picture of them.

(51:04):
No, no, okay, yeah, because as I've only heard of that
dude through you. Yeah, butI was spelling his name wrong the whole
time. It was E R WI N. Well how cool is that?
Though? That's neat? Yeah,I was stoked. I was like,
no way, there's ever one.All right, well, next question?
All right, we got our nextquestion from Steve Wood. How the
world do you guys separate the wheatfrom the chaff when it comes to reports?

(51:27):
After listening to hundreds, I'm reasonablycertain I could put one together.
Must be an absolute minefield. Doyou have my sympathy? And you were
one hundred percent right. It's gottenway easier to write. I mean,
if you want to make a fakereport, it's pretty easy. That's why
you got to talk to the persona few times and hopefully go to the
spot with them. But Yeah,people that just take reports over the internet,
it's rough. I mean, evenif you go onto the site,

(51:49):
you know, there they could bemistaken what they saw and like just talking
soults inding like they're absolutely positive whatthey saw that they really weren't or Yeah.
That's why I guess Cliff doesn't focuson reports too much unless there's footprints
or other evidence. Yeah, that'smy My approach is that, yeah,
okay, so you say you sawone. Great, now what you know

(52:09):
and like? And I understand that, you know, seeing a sasquatch is
a big deal for the person whosaw it, et cetera. But for
me, it's just another one ofthe several thousand people I've spoken to that
say they did see one and Idon't know if they did. To you
know, to use Matt Pruit's terminology, it's a claim. It's like,
all right, who cares? I'dlove Tom Powell. Been thinking a lot

(52:30):
about Tom Powell late length, bythe way, because Tom singers like,
oh you saw a sasquatch. Guesswhat, nobody cares. I love that
attitude. I don't necessarily exactly agreewith it, because I do think that
time and when and where is importanthas some level of importance to it,
but generally speaking, yeah, Idon't know if you're lying. How would
I know if you're lying? Imean, body language tells me a little

(52:51):
bit, because I did teach tenyear olds after a while. I was
a fifth grade teacher for a lotof my career, and basically everybody is
still ten years old in one wayor another. But still, Okay,
So you saw a bigfoot, that'sgreat, Okay, when and where cool?
I know that spot or I didn'tknow that spot, And we'll see
if other people corroborate that. Becauseif a group of Sassquatches is in the
area, it is my opinion theystay in that area, and it's also

(53:15):
my expectation I suppose that eventually somebodyelse will see one they're too. We'll
see if that happens, and ifit doesn't, then that's I mean,
that spot may not be something Iwant to look into anyway, you know,
unless it's really local and it's easyfor me to get into, you
know, in which case I'll beall over it. But I don't know.
You tell me you saw one innorthern Washington somewhere. It's like,
what am I going to do aboutit, so, yes, Steve,

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I guess if the Cliffs perspective isjust don't put too much importance on any
given sighting unless there's physical evidence associatedwith it. Anything else to add not
really Okay in that case, let'sgo to the last question of this day.
This comes from Gary White. Didyou hear about the one hundred thousand
chinook salmon dumped into a river inNortheast Oregon? Sounds like a big foot

(54:00):
buffet. I did hear about that? Yeah, I mean too, Yeah,
I thought that was kind of interesting. It's say, well, that's
what an interesting experiment that might turnout to be, you know, five
to eight years down the line,when the salmon are returning. Pretty cool,
Pretty cool. I mean, asfar as mistakes go, I think
that's a pretty good mistake to make. I don't know if they'd bond that
creek though, I mean, Idon't know if they would or not.

(54:22):
I'm sure they're just fingerlings right likethey were planting. Uh huh, I'm
sure of it. Yeah. Yeah, So I thought that they're like chemically
bonded like a certain creek, Likeit's in their genetics, like that's where
they're going to head. I don'tknow. I just I don't know.
I don't know if that's true ornot. Yeah, so I guess that's
part of the experiment, maybe becausethere's got to be some marine biologists or

(54:44):
you know, fish biologists of somesort that would be kind of fascinated with
that question, like if that's true. And I don't know if that's true
or not. I mean, Ijust assume it is for the sake argument.
If that is true, how coolwould that be to see how many
fish return? Well, I knowthey've done stuff like that where they took
salmon that were from this creek,whatever, stream or river and they needed

(55:05):
to replenish somewhere else, like there'san oil spit whatever whatever, I mean,
something like that, and they putthem there. Then the offspring of
them still go to where the parentswere spawned, usually like more than not.
Well, we'll see what happens whenthey might have just started a new
salmon run some river somewhere, whoknows. But anyway, back to the
bigfoot side of this question, doyou think a bigfoot buffet or probably more

(55:28):
of a bird buffet than anything.Yeah, I think just everything's going to
exploit that. Oh yeah, yeah, they they need poor little salmonids that
do make it through good luck returning. Hope you do right, Yeah,
we'll see. I forgot the endof that creek. Yeah, I forgot
it too. I saw a pictureof the truck rolled, but I didn't.
I don't don't remember the name ofit. Yeah, I think the
article I saw, though. Ilove the way they did it. They

(55:50):
framed it as bad news, goodnews, bad news like bad news,
truck accident, you know, onehundred thousand salmon, you know, truck
accident, blah blah. Good newsit rolled over to creek, you know,
bad news like a lot of thefish died. Good news, a
lot of them are going to live, you know. So it was kind
of a funny way they presented it, right. So that's a last question

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