Ep. 255 - Fred Roehl's Alaskan Encounters!

(00:02):
Big Food and Beyond with Cliff andBubo. These guys are your favorites,
so like to subscribe and read it. I'm stay shoot and me es today
and listening, oh watching always keepits watching and now your hosts Cliff Berkman

(00:29):
and James Boobo Fay. Cliff,dude, I'm kind of delirious right now.
I haven't slept for almost a week. Oh man, I got a
guest today. He's a fella outof a native guy out of Alaska.
He's new to me, he's newto you. I don't think you improved
have heard of him. I foundthis guy by accident. Apparently he's been
on in the last several months.He's been on a bunch of podcasts,

(00:51):
but I missed him. But I'vebeen watching his YouTube channel and it is
absolutely enthralling. I've been learning aboutSasquatch. He's classical. He just really
dove into this full steam just twoyears ago. And he's collected so many
stories. And it's not just storieslike they're scary stories because, as we

(01:11):
all know, the further north youget, there's we all agree they're much
more dangerous up north. And well, he really throws it out there I
had to have my phone and computerconfiscated at night so I could go to
bed because I was literally up liketwenty two twenty hours a day in a
delirious state, just listening to captivatingencounter after and encounter after encounter. It's

(01:32):
just amazing. And so we gothim cone on the day. He's going
to blow your mind. So yourcomputer has been confiscated by Kreta, I
assume, well, just I'm notallowed to have it at night, so
she's limiting your screen time. Ineeded it, dude, I could.
I was like, oh, man, I was a fat kid in the
Hershey factory just with the doors lockedbehind him, locked in there, just

(01:53):
eating chocolate all night. Very wonkaof you. Yeah. Yeah, Well,
I'm looking forward to speaking to thisguy. Fred is his name.
We'll get to him in a littlewhile. But we have a few announcements
to make. I guess first,I guess the first big one is that
starting this very week, the weekthat you were currently experiencing right now.

(02:15):
You know, we're always looking forways to kind of help our members out
because our members are just so generousand so kind. They shower us with
praise and love. Only only someof it, which is deserved, I
might add, but we found away to help them out. We are
now going to be offering the regularepisodes of Bigfoot and Beyond, the ones
that everybody gets to hear, youknow, if you're subscribing, or if

(02:37):
you're listening on YouTube or you know, like the regular podcast, you know
with the ads and everything like that. Well, our members are now going
to be able to hear the regularepisodes of Bigfoot and Beyond without any ads.
Now, of course you're still goingto hear you know, me and
maybe the ad break or something likethat, but there will be no advertisements
whatsoever, completely one ad free.Hey prove I know you're lurking back there

(03:00):
somewhere. Is it going to beon release on the regular day, yep.
So they'll come out every Monday,just like the main show is.
But essentially, when you get accessto the member section, you get access
to a private RSS feed that showsup as a separate feed called Beyond,
Bigfoot and Beyond. And so everyMonday, the ad free episodes from the
main show from this podcast will populatethere, and then every Thursday you'll get

(03:22):
bonus episodes too, And so it'sjust a little added extra feature for our
lovely members and for people who don'tlove sitting through ads. If you want
to do migrate over to Patreon.You not only get a bonus episode every
week, but you get the mainepisodes with no adst a little bit of
extra love for our members. Somaybe you want to be a member.
It's five bucks a month and youget an extra hour a week of Cliff

(03:45):
and Bobo and Matt. Yeah,if you want that, it's five bucks
a month. You can go topatreon dot com slash Bigfoot and Beyond Podcasts,
but really why just go to Bigfootand Beyond podcast dot com and hit
the membership button. Or you cango to the show notes because I know
Matt probably puts them in the shownotes every week. Maybe you want to
be a member. They can goto the links too to get the T
shirts. Oh yeah, well theT shirts short of the second announcement,

(04:08):
of course. You know we havea bigfoot of Beyond merch. There's one
particular shirt that quantities are getting extraordinarilylow on, and I think this is
going to be the last run ofthis one to make room for some new
stuff. It's a Whoop one orBobo and I are whooping on the front.
I see it a lot at theconferences, and I got to say,
Bob and I look great on it. But yeah, if you're interested
in picking up some Bigfoot and Beyondmerchandise, particularly this whoop shirt that is

(04:31):
going is like we're kind of runningout of go to sasquatchprints dot com and
see if any of those things tickleyour fancy, you know, and you
can purchase them there. But Ibut you know, I think it's time
to probably get into the regular episodehere. So Bobo set us up.
Man, this is a guy's responsibilityfor me not getting any sleep for the
last week. Well, I've burnedup by YouTube hours and I've had a

(04:56):
few nightmares, but I've also beensuper inspired. He's been on the scene
for a couple of years, butI just discovered him on accident, and
I can't believe I didn't know whohe was. But it's he's a guy
of the last day. He's anative guy and he's on a mission about
Sasquatch. I'll let him explain it. He's very articulate. He can explain

(05:18):
it better than I can. Butwe have Fred Roll from up in up
there above Bristol Bay out of Dillingham, Alaska, and he's here to blow
our minds. Hey, guys,thanks for having me. I appreciate you
guys bringing me on. I'm achug Young Tribal Council member from Bristol Bay,

(05:38):
raised in the traditional way, youknow, subsistence hunting and fishing and
all that kind of stuff. Whenwe were coming up and we were little
kids, especially our aunties seemed onesto definitely push the narrative about beware the
hairy man, little people and everythingof that nature. My older uncles and

(05:59):
stuff like that would rarely talk aboutit, but when my aunties would talk
about it, it was in hushedtones. They would call it the hairy
Man. They would never use thenative word for it because it was viewed
as a bad home and you wouldbring it in on you or you know,
cause something bad to happen to thefamily or have a you know,
a bum fishing season or a badhunting season or something like that. So

(06:24):
you know, there was a lotof superstition involved. But we were always
warned about the whistling in the woods, don't follow strange voices in the woods,
and it was it wasn't like justa big sit down pow wow and
they explain everything. It was moreas you're living life. Something would come
up, one of the kids wouldrun off alone, and then that's when

(06:46):
you would hear them catching hell fromaunties, saying, hey, you know,
the hairy man will snatch you andeat you, you know, things
of that nature. And as kids, you know, you can easily chalk
it up to ah, they're tryingto me out of the woods, because
that's I was a savvy little kid. I was thinking, they just don't
want us having fun, you know, trying to control this kind of thing.

(07:08):
Well, nineteen eighty three, Islipped away and was on a back
trail next to my grandma's house,which was at the end of the airport
runway and Dillingham at the time nearSquad Creek, and it was a short
trail that I had to take lessthan two hundred yards to get to where
I was building this tree fort,and I had an old brailer up up

(07:30):
in the trees, but I wasgoing to secure it better with some rope.
But as I was walking along,I was kind of staring at my
feet, just as little kids do, and something I just got a weird
feeling, and I stopped and lookedup and about seventy yards away in the
willows, because I had to crossthis little willow patch to get to the
area where my fort was, therewas a dark shadow there and the first

(07:54):
thing that popped in my mind wasmy uncle Leo, because he was six
foot something, and I thought Iwas going to be in trouble, like
I'm caught. But this thing startedswaying back and forth, and then it
dawned on me, my uncle isnot that tall. These willows were.
They had to be every bit ofeight to ten feet tall, and this
thing was on par with those willows. And it screamed at me, and

(08:20):
it was a short, real shrill, shrieky scream, but it was obviously
a noise my uncle couldn't make.And I, you know, I got
the hell out of Dodge. That'swhen it dawned on me that they weren't
just stories, you know what Imean. There was there was a harry
Man out there, and it's tobe taken serious. Later on that fall,
we were at Black Bluff, whichis the title zone of the Noushigak

(08:45):
River, so you got Angel Bayand Black bluff there. Well, we
were coming back from hunting camp becausewe'd take a thirty two foot fishing boat
up river just to use it asbase camp and then take skiss from there
and rip around and get our mooseand whatnot. But on the stern of
the boat we had like an aframe built up to where they could hang
the moose quarters with the tarp overit. So on our way back down

(09:09):
we end up getting caught up ona gravel bar in that title zone and
the tide was going out, soyou know, they were trying to figure
out how to keep the boat fromlisting over when the water was gone,
and you know, things of thatnature. So my one of my cousins
was like, hey, let metake the kids. I'll take them sport
fishing rodden real style and get themout of your guys's hair while you do

(09:31):
whatever you gotta do to you know, keep the boat uprighted as the water
went out or whatever. So aswe hop in the boat, we're backing
away in us kids we're just chatteringaway, just you know, being kids,
you know, worried about getting ourfishing poles set up and you know
who's going to catch the biggest fishtype talk, and all of a sudden
there's a bunch of yelling coming fromthe boat and we were, gosh,

(09:54):
maybe forty feet away from the boat, actively in reverse on this with this
outboard. He threw it in gearand we went right back up to the
boat and they shuffling us into thecabin right. It all didn't make sense,
and then we started hearing the screaming. Well, there was a hairy
man up on the bluff, andinitially it was just screaming, I mean

(10:15):
loud, and we were inside thecabin of the boat looking up at this
thing, and all we could seewas a dark silhouette and we kind of
thought it was, oh, theHarryman's screaming, who you know, just
kids. We didn't realize exactly thedanger until the rocks started being thrown.
The first few rocks that were beingthrown were hitting the water near us,
and again we're stuck on a gravelbar. There was a bit of a

(10:39):
holdover tied, so we didn't listat all or anything, but we were
just grounded out real good, andthis thing was chucking rocks and stuff,
and it didn't get real bad untilone of those rocks busted through the tarp
and hit so hard it knocked oneof the moose quarters off of that a
frame, and that's when they shuffledus, you know, down inside.

(11:01):
And then that's when you'd hear thevolley of gunfire. I'll never forget just
as that rock hit and the quarterfell onto the stern. We were still
up in the cabin where we couldlook out the window because we were watching.
We're kids, you know, AndI'll never forget the initial gunfire.
It was just it sounded like awar. Well, we watched this thing

(11:24):
drop and it hopped right back upand started chucking more rocks, and then
that's when older cousins shuffled us downbelow. And I tell you what,
it was real eye opening as faras the actual danger versus the perceived danger,
if that makes sense. And youknow, over the course of the
years, you'd see them at adistance. We're from a culture that doesn't

(11:48):
chase them. Were our oral historyis that of you don't follow them.
You know they'll steal you and eatyou. They're not our friends. They've
always been here. I've never heardan origin story from my elders. They
anytime I brought it up like wherethey come from. They just would always
say they've always been here, samewith the little people, you know.

(12:11):
And it's just you said that you'renot from a culture that chases them.
Are you aware of any cultures thatdo? No? No, honestly no.
So what I meant by that iswe were we were told the dangers
of it. So I hear things, you know, since I'm older now
and stuff, But I've heard ofpeople saying, oh, they're forest friends

(12:33):
and this and that, and Idon't see that up here in Alaska,
you know, I mean, forfor crimeany's sakes. Look at port Lock,
you know port Chatham that you knowthere's of course, it wasn't just
the hairy Man. From from myunderstanding, I talked to some elders,
one from non Walloch and one fromHe had lived in Seward, but his

(12:56):
family was originally from there. Andwhat I was told behind the scenes,
you know, from the natives andnot just the historical narrative, but there
was prospectors up in the hills backbehind you know, Portlock, and these
guys during their prospecting, from whatI was told, came across a graveyard

(13:16):
of these things. So I don'tknow what truth there is into that.
You know, Bob Wood mentioned somethingwhen we were talking about it as separate
boneyard you know, elsewhere, Butyou know, it would kind of make
sense that that would spark this.I mean, one of the guys was
decapitated, thrown in the lagoon,another guy was crushed with his own equipment,

(13:39):
and just all sorts of things likethat. But from what I was
told by the natives, it's onlythe guys that desecrated grounds that belonged to
these creatures, and not necessarily theywere just being bloodthirsty and hunting people,
but they were basically getting revenge forlines being crossed, so to speak,

(14:01):
which is I mean, who knows. You know, I wasn't there,
and either were the people that Ishared it with me. But I tend
to I tend to believe the oralhistory of things versus necessarily something that was
whitewashed and written down, so tospeak. Sure, stay tuned for more
Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. Will be right back after these messages.

(14:30):
Your your home of Dillingham in thatarea that I've never been to that
area, can you describe the terrainlike is it heavily forested or whatever,
or is it because I know aBobo and matt'smen up to I think Bethel
With is a little bit north ofthere, and I understand that that I
didn't get a chance to go there. I was, I was somewhere else.
I was over Fairbanks at the time. But yeah, so I'm kind
of familiar with that general area.But what was it like there in Dillingham.

(14:54):
Well, there's places that are heavilywooded. You got your marshy areas.
We got a mixed bag, youknow, we got the mountains,
we got thick forests as well,big open marshes and swamps. Yeah,
it really runs a gambit. Youknow, it's not particularly one way or
another. Wet definitely when you're nearthe coast. But when you go up

(15:18):
the Wood River to Aleknagik, youopen up into the Wood River mountains,
man, and it's just beautiful.You got go over to Bear Bay and
there's you know, these fjord stylemountains jettison out of the water with you
know, trees on pinnacles and it'sjust crystal clear water to the bottom.
It's just beautiful. It's home ofthe world's largest salmon return all five species,

(15:43):
literally millions and millions of salmon everyyear return there, Yeah, Bristol
bag clof Yeah, very interesting.So you've seen these things. You've described
two of the sightings you've had sofar, the kind of but not super
clear up close or anything like.How many times have you seen these things
so far in your life? Seeingthem with put your eyes on them at

(16:03):
a distance? Gosh, at leasta dozen times, you know, anywhere
between one hundred yards away and multiplehundreds of yards and about a dozen times
within i'd say fifty yards. Doyou think you're seeing the same one or
is there a group of them aroundthere? Oh? No, this was
in vastly different areas. Oh,okay, gotcha. Geographically speaking, his

(16:27):
sightings are crazy. He's up tonsof them. He wasn't a bigfoot researcher
per se. He got into thismore as a public service to Warnfield about
these things because of the encounters himand his family and other natives he knows
have had, and you know ofother people of European descent, but especially
the native tribes friends observe things thathe doesn't realize exactly how special it is,

(16:51):
like, you know, like you'veheard a few witnesses say it,
but he's got like eyewitness accounts ofit, and he's he's had many encounters.
And how about starting off that youhave I'd read back about twenty years
ago. Uh, yeah, thatwas in September of two thousand and six,
at the evening of September seventeenth.Actually it seared in my memory one

(17:11):
because of all the preparation going up. We were supposed to be going prospecting
for gold, and the original planstarted a couple of years before then,
in two thousand and four. Butmy elder had to accumulate all the portable,
lightweight, portable sluice box, andyou know, all the permitting stuff

(17:32):
through you know, the local Indiantribe and what not to have permission to
go to certain lands and whatnot.But so we ended up going in two
thousand and six, and we leftthe thirteenth from Dillingham, the day after
my birthday. And it took tillthe seventeenth to get up there because my

(17:53):
elder, he was in his sixties, so traveling by water. As I'm
sure you guys know how being uphere in Alaska, it's cold. It
doesn't matter what the ambient temperature iswhen you're out on the water, it
can get cold pretty easily, andso we had a couple pit stops,
you know, making it our wayup there and whatnot. But when we
finally got to the area, myelder had pre selected a retired, like

(18:18):
no longer functioning salmon counting tower andthis place was a glorified box for observers
to basically have a dried in shelland a place to sleep. And outside
of it, next to the riverbank is this tower that they would literally
climb every day and stare down atthe river and count by eye each salmon

(18:40):
that they saw us went by,which sounds monotonous as hell if you ask
me, that would be a horriblejob. But anyway, so this little
place is eight foot square. There'sreally nothing to it, like just nothing
to it dried in shell. Sowhen we beached at the river bank,
there's this six sem foot bank thatwe beached up against, and our anchor

(19:03):
line was about ten footed chain andabout fifty feet or so roughly of rope.
Because this particular skiff was used forcommercial fishing as well, so it
had to have a long anchor lineto accommodate the tides and whatnot. Well,
we drugged the anchor and just jammedit and crammed it into the tundra,
so we're basically tethered. So becausethe Nuyakuk River it's the largest tributary

(19:26):
to the New Shigek River by volume, and this is approximately two hundred and
forty eight river miles from Dillingham,so we were out there. We had
two different outboards to get there.One was a prop drive for the deeper
channels and then the jet drive wasstrictly for the nw ya Cuk because it's
it's got a lot of big rocksand it's relatively shallow, so you know,

(19:49):
we wanted something with the you know, shorter draft or whatever. But
we were there a couple hours beforesun went down, so me and my
cousin we were worker bees for theelder. That's just how it is.
We unloaded this skiff and you know, part of me wanted to go looking
for black bear some other stuff,but it was so close to being dark

(20:10):
it just wasn't worth it. Andwe don't travel on water typically at night
because it's too dangerous. So weget inside there and as we were unloading
and stuff, my elder had startedsome salmon chowder or something along those lines,
and he had it in a bigpot on one of those Coleman stoves.
Again, everything we had was brandnew just for this trip. We

(20:30):
were always three peas in a podwhen it came to adventure, you know,
whether it be hunting baaluoga, walrus, whatever it may be. We
were always together during these adventures,you know what I mean. So we
were I mean his family stuff,you know. But anyway, he's making
this the super Steward whatever it was, and we eat and after we're done

(20:53):
eating, I was it was abouthalf hour after dark. Maybe suwhere in
there, and they were playing cribbageand he was basically given us our marching
orders for the following day of wherehe wanted you know, pay dirt samples
from, you know, And hewas just just talking out loud, and
I was. I was standard holdingthe shotgun I had just bought. I

(21:17):
test fired it a couple of timescoming up river, but I noticed it
was off and it was a Remingtoneight seventy. It was the brush stainless
model. I loved that gun.I just got it rifled barrel. It
was going to be my brush gunfor for eternity, you know what I
mean. I just I love thatthing. Well, I was adjusting that
rear ghost site. And as we'redoing so, my elders still talking,

(21:41):
you know, and we're just listeningand I'm just kind of noding along or
whatever. Well, all of asudden, the whole place creaks, just
like you know, like a stiffwind was hitting the place. But this
place was so shanty we would haveknown it was windy outside. So when
it creaked, I looked over wheremy cousin was sitting. His back was

(22:03):
quasi to that window, and fromthe top of his shoulder to the top
of the window, I saw somethingdark move and I didn't It was just
darkness, and it moved, andhe saw the look on my face and
jumps up and says, hey,that's not funny because I guess I had
a shot look on my face.Well, I said, no, no,
it's probably a bear. Because we'reon the nuw yea Kuk River.

(22:25):
On the way up we saw spawnouts and salmon dead carcass's floating around,
so we assumed it was a bear. Well, my blood pressure goes up
a little bit, so forgive me. So I had that shotgun. You
know, I immediately load that.He grabs a thirty odd six and we
had one of those million candlewop powerold old spotlights, you know that took

(22:48):
the big six volt battery. Well, we we grabbed that, and I
had my shotgun and I was holdingthe spotlight, and the plan was we're
going to push the door open realquick and run this bear off. And
we were half anticipating it to chargeus, but we just wanted to be
ready. So when I swung thedoor open and I started spotlighting to the
riverbank side first, there was nothingthere, no movement. And as we

(23:11):
panned to the left facing out thislittle door, which this whole place was
five eighths plywood and two by fourconstruction. The two windows in the place
were eighteen by twenty four, eighteeninches tall twenty four inches wide, and
they married each other on opposite walls. When we stepped out, we literally

(23:33):
are one foot out the door,panning looking for this brown bear that we
thought. Well, when we panoff to the left, the tree line
is approximately fifty yards away, andas we pan over, all of a
sudden, there's three sets of eyeshine just outside of the tree line and
these things. The eye shine washuge. It was like fence postmarkers.

(23:53):
Man it was. I couldn't givea clear description. We knew it was
a hairy man, but because theeyes were giving back so much eyeshine,
that was the main focus when thatlight hit them. Now, typically when
these things are spotlighted in any way, they'll kind of avert their eyes or

(24:15):
duck behind a tree or something likethat. These things were standing out in
the open and they didn't appear tocare that they were being spotlighted. But
so we immediately are right back insidethe door. Now, this place didn't
have a regular doorknob. It wasa little jay hook in an eyelet that
kept the door shut right well,when I stepped inside, I shut that

(24:38):
I hooked that little jay hook,and immediately there was like pressure in the
room. It felt like we hadear muffs on because when I was talking,
it sounded like I was talking througha can or something. It was
real weird. It was like myears hadn't popped from a flight, and
so even people right next to mesounded like they were ten feet away.

(25:00):
Kind of, it was real weird. But that pressure was constant. So
as I'm talking, I'm telling myelder, hey, there is eyeshine out
there. I'm talking. I'm engagingmy cousin who's next to me on my
left because I had to set thatspotlight down. I had my shotgun off
handed in my left hand when Ishut that jayhook, And so I'm talking

(25:22):
and I'm trying to get acknowledgment outof him of what he saw, because
I'm starting to freak out at thispoint. You know, I'm real animated.
I'm talking loud, and all ofa sudden, my cousin is under
that little card table. He wasseized up. He had the rifle barrel
of that thirty out to six,holding it kind of like a paddle,
because when we came in the door, he just kind of set the butt

(25:45):
stock on the ground and was holdingit by the barrel. And then he
it was like he got flung underthat table. I mean it was fast
and it was startling because it justI mean, he was all of a
sudden under there, and it lookedlike he was having seizure, and just
the way his whole body was tensedup. You could see his jaw muscles

(26:07):
clenched, and he's looking across theroom. But Initially, me and my
elder looked at each other like whatthe hell, And then we looked down
at him and realized he was lookingacross the room, and we both turned
and the other window. This placeis eight foot square. The window was
three feet or less from me whenwe turned and looked. When I turned

(26:32):
my head and made eye contact withthis thing, initially it was looking down
at my cousin, and when myhead turned, it turned its focus onto
me. Had an ashen gray face, no hair from the bottom of the
nose around the cheek bones to thetop of the brow a little bit sparse

(26:53):
on the cheek bone itself heavy heavywrinkles, very very heavy wrinkles. Nose
was flat to the face, broadnostrils facing down. Its eyes were like
big black, translucent marbles. Thebrow ridge was very heavy, very It

(27:15):
was weird because initially, when itlooked at me and then it furled its
brow, I immediately knew what foodfelt like. I felt like food.
There was no mind speaker or anything, but it like it looked at me
like I got you. Well,it started moving out of view of the

(27:36):
window, and just on autopilot,I shot three times through the wall with
that shotgun, and again the pressurein the place was really weird. Because
anytime you discharge a gun in thelike basically a walk in closet like that
place was, you know, it'dbe ringing, you know, just me.

(27:56):
But that wasn't the case. Itwas just like a thump, thump,
thump. Well, when I shotthrough the wall, there was immediately
a very loud scream and simultaneously thewhole place shifted. In remote Alaska,
you're not allowed to build permanent structureson state landed. They have to be
on skids so they could be movedor whatever. Well, this place,

(28:18):
I thought it. I thought thesethings were going to throw us in the
river. The way the place shifted. That scream was so loud it reverberated
through that place. That pot ofstew on that stove, it rang like
a tuning fork. I mean,after the scream ended, it dead quiet.
After that, my elder immediately isback in this little cubby area.

(28:42):
It was a fifty style trailer,little egg looking trailer that had been guivered
onto the back of this place asa little bunk area. It had no
windows. Every windows that used tobe there were all boarded off for it's
land of the midnight sun. Soit was designed to be a blackout room
for people to be able to getsleep in the long, you know,

(29:03):
daylight hours up here. But sohe's tucked back in there. I'm freaking
out. It was. It wasshocking because every fiber of my being wanted
to run, but it was stuckin my body. It was like a
serious electrical shock when this thing madeeye contact with me. Again. I

(29:25):
had seen these things at a distance, and up until that point, I
would have said, eh, theymake noise, you leave, You're good,
you know, they just want youout of there. Is what I
would have set up before this.Well. I put one of the little
rinking in chairs in front of thedoor for whatever reason, and I took
the other one, and I putthe back of the chair into the little

(29:47):
entryway to this cubby hole, andI sat in that chair so I could
see both windows and the door.I had attempted to grab the thirty odd
six, but he had a deathgrip on it and he it was loaded.
I didn't want any accidents or anythinglike that. I sat there for
more than a handful of hours.My cousin was he had wet himself.

(30:11):
He was incoherent in the things hewould say when he did speak, and
those I hate Coleman lanterns, whiteguests. You know, they kind of
got to pump up because I literallyhad to pump this stupid thing, you
know, when it would start dyingdown or whatever. I sat there the

(30:32):
only way I could stop shaking,because when I initially was sitting there,
I was shaking so hard. Thechair was damn near dancing, you know,
on the floor because I was shakingso hard. The only reason and
the only way I stopped shaking likethat was I resigned myself to death.
Man, I did not see theother side of the situation. I didn't.

(30:57):
I didn't think I was gonna makeit. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot
and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.We'll be right back after these messages.
How long do you think they hungout after that close observation, Well,

(31:18):
the night wasn't over, I cantell you that much. So after sitting
there for more than a handful ofhours, my cousin started coming around.
Now, during that time, Itried engaging my elders several different times.
When I would try to talk tohim, it would be he would bring
up the price of salmon. Hewould bring up how many pounds of salmon?

(31:38):
And nothing to do with the situation, right, like a denial type
of thing. So anyway, oncemy cousin who was under the table started
coming around, I started reassuring himimmediately. I was like, I shot
it. It ran away, it'sgone, it ran away. So we
finally get him off the floor,I get the gun from him, and

(32:00):
we're getting him changed out and he'sback more back to himself, and I
asked him, I was like,you know, why did you end up
under the table? You know,what the hell's at? Did you see
the eye shine outside? He waslike, I saw the eye shine.
I couldn't talk because from his vantagepoint off my shoulder when we came inside,
he was looking out that same windowand this thing was a little further

(32:22):
away from the window, and itshowed its teeth to him, and that's
what freaked him out so bad.He said they were big block teeth,
like big teeth like ours, andit just it freaked him out so bad.
He didn't even realize he was underthe table until I was helping him
from under the table. Once he, you know, came back, so
to speak. So we game plangetting out of there. It's pitch black.

(32:46):
Our only option is that that skiffdown at the river bank, which
there's like maybe twenty feet a trailwhich is a straight little trail to the
river bank and it drops down sixseven feet to this little landing where the
skiff is tied off at. We'rewe're trying to figure out our you know,
way out of there or whatever.And once my cousin was changed,

(33:07):
he brings up, hey, let'slet's beam outside and see what we can
see before you know, making thisattempt to leave. Well, we beam
out. We had to kill theColeman lantern because we were getting a mirrored
effect. It was bad enough withjust the you know, that big spotlight
trying to beam out the window.But anyway, so we're beaming out on

(33:29):
the riverbank side first, and we'relooking and there was nothing. And so
we go to the other side thewalleyes shot through, looking through that window
because that was the side where thethree sets of eyeshine were initially, and
we're beaming that whole area not seeinganything, not seeing movement in the trees
or anything. Well, off theback corner of this place on the inland

(33:51):
side, like kitty corner off ofit, about ah gosh, maybe forty
fifty feet was an old outhouse thatlong been out of use, but it
was still standing there. When wepanned the light back to that point behind
that outhouse, and that outhouse stoodabout eight eight and a half feet tall.

(34:12):
A short distance behind that outhouse wasthis very large, hulking figure,
all pitch black. You can makeout the silhouette shape of like you know,
shoulders and the head and the arms. But it was absorbing the light.
It wasn't given back, eyeshine,It wasn't given back anything. It

(34:32):
had to have been thirteen fourteen feettall, at least five and a half
feet wide at the shoulders. Andonce it started moving the slightest bit,
we were instantly that spotlight was offand we were all three tucked back in
that little cubby area. We hadbarrels crossed. It was dead quiet.

(34:53):
We were freaking out. All ofus were talking, but none of us
to each other, if that makessense. We were all saying different things.
It was sheer chaos. It waswhite and nuncle terror. I mean
what absorbed light, you know whatI mean? Like that, Its size
was one thing, but it absorbedlight, Like what does that anyway?

(35:17):
So it was dead quiet. We'resitting there like I couldn't even tell you
what was going through my mind.There was so much stuff. Just every
little noise we made it would makeyour heart skip a beat, you know,
just that kind of thing. Well, my cousin starts talking about this
little nail. We've been kicking thislittle sixteen penny nail around this place since

(35:39):
we had gotten there. And hebrings up grabbing that nail and trying to
nail the door shut. And I'mlike, whoa, whoa, stop,
Stay with me, don't that nailain't going to stop anything, you know,
Just let's focus on this escape planbecause it stayed so quiet for so
long. After that, we calmeddown and we start revisiting our plan to

(36:01):
get the hell out of there.Well, as we were talking, we
had ReLit the lantern briefly to gatherup AMMO and the important stuff that we
thought we'd want to take with us. We shut that lamp off and we
were talking again. We didn't wantto be looked in on. But as
we're talking again, often the neardistance, it sounded like rotor wash from

(36:24):
a helicopter right this bump dom dumpsound, and we were starting to feel
it in the ground. Well,it was one of these things that had
run by and as soon as itwent past, because you could feel it
in the ground, they must havebeen staged around, because then there was
movement all around us in different directions. You could feel different ones weighed more,

(36:49):
some weigh less just by the impacton the ground. And it was
like I heard a buffalo. Itsounded like, just running around this place,
and they would run around and backoff, then run around again and
back off, and it was likethe second time of them doing that.
We heard one of them sniffing thatU sniffing the outside of the trailer,
that little fifty style egg shaped trailerthat was attached to the back of this

(37:13):
place. And to this day,I can't even have my dog sniffing by
my ears. It's a trigger,you know, it just freaks me out.
But so once they stopped doing thatand it got quiet again, we
again we're revisiting our plan to getthe hell out of Dodge. Now that
time of year, it's about atwelve twelve light cycle, and so you

(37:35):
know, before too long we're lookingat hopefully some daylight. You know,
honestly, we weren't. I wasn'tkeeping track of how long they were running
around us, how long we werequiet before we start talking again. I
honestly couldn't tell you, because itwas we were freaked out. So once
it's quiet and we start revisiting ourescape plan, it dawns on me that

(38:00):
we ran that anchor line over intothe tundra and buried it in the tundra,
And so we're basically tied off,and no one was volunteering to go
over there and grab that frigging anchor. I tell you that much. So
I give my cousin my pocket knife, and I'm like, you're gonna have
to cut that bow line. Soour game plan was my cousin would go

(38:20):
out first. He would have myshotgun. I would have his thirty six,
and my elder had a shotgun aswell. But it was one of
those big ass wing masters. Sowe swapped out the bird shot in that,
put in slugs in that, andwe're doing all this. We had
ReLit the lantern, and we're doingall this in hushed tones. We had

(38:44):
the lantern dimmed down as low asit can go without going out and we're
trying to do all this stuff,whispering, you know, going over our
game plan. It was I stillat this point, I still didn't feel
like we were going to make it. I still felt like this is,
you know, this is our laststand. Basically, I didn't know how

(39:04):
they were gonna kill us, butI I just I still don't know why
they didn't break the place down andjust smack me against a tree. That's
what I kept expecting to happen.I kept expecting the place to blow apart,
one of these things to snatch meup, and that'd be the end
of it. But it was like, anyway, so we get our game

(39:25):
plan. My cousin's gonna go first. I'm behind him. I got my
elder shotgun over my shoulder and myelder behind me. So our game plan
was we were going to go outthe door in one solid unit, just
moving as quickly as we can.My cousin would jump down, cut the
bow line, fire up the outboardwhile I helped our elder down this little

(39:47):
embankment because again it's six seven footelevation, you know, it's more than
a forty five degree angle going downthis little cutbank and you know that time
of year you get a lot ofon the grass and stuff, so we're
accounting for all this stuff in ourlittle escape plan. And it's starting that
the daylight is just starting to showitself, so we're calming down even more.

(40:13):
We're feeling more confident and you know, we will have daylight well as
literally as we're stacking up to makethis break for it, all of a
sudden, it sounds like someone firinga pellet gun at the wall the door
side, and that's just the littlechenzy door and the rest of the plywood
or whatever. It sounded like apellet gun hitting it, justack thack,

(40:36):
and it was a slow cadence atfirst, and then it sounded like a
helstorm just and immediately it freaked usout and we're right back into that cubby
barrels crossed again, shaking, stammering. Not I mean, it was it
was like every time we were justabout to make a break for it,

(40:57):
something else would happen that would scarethe arap out of us, and we
would retreat, you know, intothat little cubby area. And at that
point I was feeling toyed with Itfelt like we were being played with like.
It was weird. It's hard toput into words, but I felt
like we're being toyed with. Imean, I know that's kind of I
am putting it into words, butthe feeling is a bit different than that,

(41:22):
and I don't have the words tofully explain it. But it was
defeating. Of course, we're sittingthere freaked out, but it's dead quiet.
After the hell that sound stops,it goes dead quiet again. I
mean, I could hear my heartbeat in my ears. It was that
quiet, that deafening silence. Butagain, the whole night through, we

(41:45):
had that weird pressure on our ears. It was real weird. It was
like we're in ear muffs the wholetime. So we sit in there quiet
and it's dead quiet, and it'sgetting lighter outside, and so we can
easily see out the window to thetree line. We can see out the
window to the river bank edge.Our confidence jumps quickly, you know,

(42:07):
because we got daylight. Now thesethings can't hide in the dark, you
know, we can easily see them. So we're looking outside, you know,
we noticed the small rocks from thehailstorm of little stones. They were
throwing little river rocks at the place. That's what sounded like a pellet gun.
So we're looking out we see nothing. So we're right back to our

(42:28):
game plan and we want to movelike right now, you know. So
we all stack up like we're trainedswat team man. We move so fluidly
and so quickly. We were outthe door. My cousin jumped down the
bank. I turn and I hadto set the thirty odd six down,
and I'm helping my elder around meon the riverbank side, and I have

(42:50):
to kneel down for him because hewas getting his footing on the river bank
and he was kind of sliding andstuff, and I'm holding him by his
arm and his elbow. And theway I was kneeling down, that stupid
shotgun over my shoulder was kind ofpushing me forward, you know, it
making me feel like it was gonna, you know, push me off the
river bank or whatever. So oncehe had his footing, I grabbed the
thirty o six and I scooed itback a couple inches just to clear the

(43:15):
buttstock of the ground, and thenI stood up, well maybe four to
six inches. I scooed it backbefore standing up, and as soon as
I got to full height, thisrock a little bigger than a basketball,
whizz by my face, which immediatelyeverything went slow motion. I locked onto
that damn rock and it impacted theriver in about three feet of water,

(43:39):
but it impacted so hard it hitthe bottom and made a loud crash sound
before the water could close over it. And it's a relatively fast moving water
river there. So that happens,and that weird ear muff feeling was gone.
I could hear everything. You're stillclear again, right, real weird

(44:01):
sensation, very weird, but youknow, everything's happening in slow motion.
So immediately after it impacts the water, I swing to the left because that's
the direction the rock came from.I'm holding that thirty odd six and that
big black nothingness is coming out ofthe tree line again roughly fifty yards away.

(44:23):
And at this point, man,my vision is going tunnel vision hard
anyway. So this thing moving outof the tree line, I put three
shots on it, like bam,bam, bam. I never have been
that efficient with a bolt action,but I shot this thing three times center
mass and it did nothing. Itstopped moving forward, but it didn't buckle,

(44:45):
it didn't flinch. I heard theimpact of the rounds, like you
know, it's a thirty odd sixman one hundred and eighty grain soft tip
core lock round that We've killed everythingwith that same round, wallrus, moose.
It didn't matter nothing, nothing evertook rounds like that. So I

(45:07):
shoot it the three times and immediatelywhen it stopped moving forward, it was
go time. I jumped down.My cousin didn't cut that bow line,
so he's got the motor running.My elder's on the edge of the skiff
trying to, you know, slowlywork his way in there. I'm yelling,
I'm throw me the knife, Throwme the knife. He throws it.
I put the thirty odd six intothe bow and I cut that line

(45:30):
and I'm putting it the chain intothe skiff, and I noticed my shotgun's
on the ground, so I didn'tnotice when my cousin jumped down. I
don't know if he dropped it orhe just threw it down out of just
jumping in the boat. But myshotgun was right there on the beach and
it's idling real high, and he'strying to shift, so I'm yelling at
him, idle down, idle down. I shoved my elder in because he

(45:53):
was he was taking way too longtrying to slowly get into this twenty two
foot flat bottom skiff. I shovehim in. He kind of he jarred
his wrist. It was bruis lateron, but he was in. What
he immediately did was swing around,sitting on his butt, facing back towards
the bow towards me, and mycousin was already facing towards me, next

(46:15):
to the outboard, and I'm gettingthat last bit of chain end of the
bow, and I'm mentally thinking,grab the shotgun, you know, just
a passing thought. But he idolsdown enough and he shifts, and so
I start pushing off. Immediately hiseyes get huge. My elder's eyes gets
huge, and they're looking up overmy shoulder, behind me, up on

(46:37):
the river bank. And as I'mpushing off, I'm looking back over my
shoulder and I see up to aboutthe knee. All I noticed was the
shins of this thing standing there.Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with
Cliff and Bogo. We'll be rightback after these messages. It had very

(47:00):
very like black like hair, butthe tips were like an auburn reddish brown,
kind of like that orangutang kind oforangish reddish brown, kind of tinged
to the tips of them. Itwas real the minute things that you know
in certain situations where things are justlike little snapshots. It's like a click,

(47:22):
click, click, little snapshots ofstuff. And that's one of the
ones that stand out. And sohe backs up a little ways and sticks
it into gear. And as I'min getting into the bow, I got
the I grabbed the thirty out sixagain and I opened the bolt and that
tunnel vision, man, is justit's hitting hard. I'm staring down into

(47:44):
the bolt. I'm looking for thetwo twenty grain rounds. I'm loading up
what I had. Mentally, Iwas losing it, man, I was
freaking out. Well. As I'msitting there on my knees looking down into
the bolt, the boat itself isweaving back and forth. And see I

(48:05):
thought initially he was just trying tobreak friction to get up on step.
What I found out many years laterwas they were chucking rocks at the outboard
and there was a big dent inthe transom and the cowing was cracked on
the outboard. And I learned thatfrom my cousin years later. But initially,
when I, you know, whenI had that tunnel vision going on,

(48:27):
I thought he was just weaving toyou know, break friction and get
up on step. But we continuedgaining speed heading down river, and what
I saw off to my left handside, I saw a movement. Initially,
when that black thing was coming outof the trees, there was movement
on its left and right, butwith that tunnel vision, I couldn't make

(48:49):
out exactly what it was, butI knew it was more of these things
moving. And then again when wewere on the boat heading down river,
I noticed movement off to my left, just briefly in the trees along the
river bank. And then once wegot oh jeez, down to where the
nu yek Kuk meets the New ShigekRiver the confluence there, that's when I

(49:14):
was able to calm down, likeenough to where I felt like I weighed
a thousand pounds. The adrenaline wasall gone. I didn't have the energy
to barely lift a hand because ofsitting there all night so tense. My
hands ached, they were swelling upfrom just just gripping that damn shotgun so
hard all night, and stuff Itwas rough because it killed our relationship,

(49:40):
you know, knowing in the midstof sitting there, I kept trying to
engage them both, you know,to help me, you know, help
me. I just shot this thinghelped me. And again my elder would
just talk about you know, salmonprices and whatever else. So I didn't
necessarily have the nicest things to sayin those moments, you know, and

(50:01):
then it just it really it ruinedour relationship, which kind of brings you
to this whole mission here on now, Fred, with your channel is you're
trying to help people that have gonethrough this and destigmatized telling these stories,
and also to get the word outabout the dangers of these things, right

(50:22):
exactly, because you know, Iunderstand superstition. It started from somewhere for
some reason, and I'm sure itwas for a good reason. However,
it's about public safety. Man.There's these people hearing things that aren't necessarily
true about these creatures and going outinto remote asket thinking they're forest friends.
That's not true. That that's nottrue for up here. Maybe somewhere else

(50:45):
it might be so, but notup here, man. You know.
So one of the reasons I startedthe channel was because of those forest friend
stories that they just didn't ring authentic, not to me, and what I've
witnessed myself, and what many manyothers have witnessed up here, and it's

(51:07):
a different level of aggression. AndI think it's directly tied to, for
one, the geographic location of theplace. I mean, it's the last
frontier. We don't have the populationyou guys do down in the States,
and so you know, the shortseason, the extreme environment, very limited
time to gather resources, and alot of the conflict happens when us as

(51:30):
people are out in these remote areasgathering resources, hunting, berry picking,
fishing, whatever it may be,and a lot of the encounters happen in
just those environments, especially in thefall. There's a lot more encounters in
the fall around berry picking time andmoose hunting season or our caribou season.

(51:52):
You know, we get a handfulor so in the winter time, but
they're not as prevalent as in thefall. You know, anywhere between mid
August to early October. It seemsto be like when most of the most
aggressive encounters happen. Do you thinkthat's because the people and the Sasquatches are
both going after the same resources.Oh yeah, one d percent. And

(52:16):
then maybe it's different during the winter, like what are the people what are
the people doing during the winter foras far as resources that might be different
than what the sasquatches are up to. Well, I mean some people ice
fish. But you know, thisis Alaska, it's modernized. We have
stores and stuff, you know,so people will either live off of what
they've already stored in their freezer withit big caribou meat, moose meat.

(52:37):
You know, they have a caribouhunt in the winter, but it's very
very difficult to make happen, justbecause of logistics, you know what I
mean. You know, you gotto have a great snow machine. You
got to you know, have thefunds to afford the cast to go do
it. You know. So alot of times in the winter, the
most people go out as usually recreationalyou know, out snow machining trappers,

(53:00):
right, yeah, Well there's furtrappers as well, and you know,
there's quite a few of them thathave come forward sharing their experiences. Those
ones creep me out because I understandthe fear they dealt with. Some of
these guys, you know, havingthem climbing on the roof. You know
that kind of stuff, man,Jesus, I you know, for me,

(53:24):
if people just even if they lookat it as entertainment, oh,
these are great stories from Alaska.Well just maybe they listen to it and
if they go out in the woodsand they hear an eight hundred pound owl,
they might think of that encounter Ishared and go, wait a minute,
I remember that guy talking about this. This might be something more dangerous,

(53:44):
and maybe they'll get out of therebefore you know, potentially something horrible
happens, because we have five hundredto two thousand missing people a year up
here, you know. And I'mnot saying they're all sasquatch, That's not
what I'm saying. But there's alarge number of missing people that are totally
unaccounted for. Yeah, this wholeforest friend thing that's always kind of thrown

(54:07):
me for a loop because you know, I mean, I don't I mean,
I suspect those sasquatches could have easilysquashed that little building you were in
and taken you all and eaten you, and you know, we wouldn't be
hearing the story today. They didn'tfor whatever reason, and good for you.
But yeah, I kind of pointout that there's some evidence that they
perhaps aren't, you know, outto get us, and that you know,

(54:30):
if they were out to get us, or be very few of us
left, but they are large,wild, potentially very dangerous animals. I
never quite got these folks that wantto go out and like hug them,
you know, I just don't getthat, you know. Yeah, and
you know, twenty twenty hindsight,of course, we were lured out of
that place. You know, hadwe continued, had we not seen that

(54:52):
three sets of eyeshine, we wouldhave walked right around the corner into this
thing's arms. So I think theway things played out, and again this
is speculation, but me firing immediatelyI think changed whatever dynamic they had mapped
out, because obviously they had somethingin mind because they attempted to lure us

(55:15):
out, you know, and Ithink me firing on him changed that because
everything they did after that, withthe running by the throne of the pebbles,
it almost seemed like they're checking tosee if we were going to shoot
again, especially when they were runningaround the place. There was another encounter
that same spot, right the samespot. Yeah, it was further down

(55:36):
at the larger salmon counting tower.But it came into that place and attempted
to snatch a guy. I don'twant to throw his name out there without
giving his permission, but you knowit tore his jacket. That story you
just told us now is one ofthe less intense ones because it came from
his mouth directly first person. Youcan feel the tension, but there's way

(56:00):
the encounters and that up there thathe's documented that are just it shows how
really aggressive and how gnarly these thingsreally are and how they really are actively
hunting people. Well, yeah,because it wasn't until many years later.
I had asked a cousin just whenI was starting the channel if he had
any good hairy man stories, andthe first thing out of his mouth was,

(56:22):
have you ever been up to theNew yeark Cook River? And I
kind of chuckled and said, yeah, I've been there, and he literally
told me about their experience a coupleof different ones and named off, gosh,
a couple handfuls of other locals thathave had almost like that experience isn't

(56:45):
unique on that river, because therewas literally a couple handfuls of people who
have had to fire weapons at thesethings to keep them back in that same
area, you know, everywhere fromHarris Creek on up to the Falls to
New YORKUK Falls. Well, youknow, why don't why don't we keep
you around for our members section andyou can tell us some of those stories

(57:07):
on our member section. But youknow, before we do end the podcast,
we want to make sure that peopleknow where to find you and where
they can go listen to more ofyour of your stories and your knowledge.
So tell us about your YouTube channelplease. Yeah, it's called Subartic Alaska
Sasquatch on YouTube, of course,and my website is the identical same name,

(57:29):
all lowercase connected Subartic Alaskasasquatch dot com. My tech guy helped me build
an interactive map on the website ofAlaska and it has marker pins from everywhere
that people have shared an experience fromand if you click, if you zoom
in and you click on the markerpins, it's embedded with my YouTube channel.

(57:49):
So what it'll do is pull upa little synopsis of what happened in
the area and you can immediately watchthe video, the encounter video. In
regards to what happened in that area, I can't I can't emphasize enough to
go check out that Subarctic Sasquatch Alaska. Well, I just opened it up
and I'm looking at the interactive map, and right away I'm pretty much blown
away. I mean, I'm lookingat almost two hundred reports right here immediately

(58:13):
on the map. The fantastic jobon the website. And I'll tell you
and your stories are very very intense, and then yeah, it is just
fantastic listening to you. Here's cousinstory in the member section, Cliff.
It's mind blowing. Fred doesn't,you know, kind of He doesn't really,
you know, go around and sayingI need this, I need that.
But he is in the spot,he has the connections. I implore

(58:37):
anyone who wants to contribute to SasquatchResearch really get some results. Please go
to Fred's page and donate or supportedby it. I just bought a T
shirt last night. He needs equipment. He's also entirely self funded, so
I want to see him get someI mean, he's in the places,
he's in the spots, and hecan get at least if he had good

(58:58):
audio recording equip But he can getaudio pretty frequently, and he could actually
get video too if he had theproper year. Yeah. No, I
appreciate that, Bobo. Yeah,to help Fred out. And of course
these links are gonna be in theshow notes below for everybody to check out.
And I hope you do, man, I hope you do. I'm
very, very impressed with the website. I'll tell you that I was going

(59:19):
to shout out Dave, the techguy. He made that website happen.
We gotta give a quick shout outthe squatch bait too, helps you,
helps you out with all he does. He's not very good bait. He
has his own opinions and you knowhe can't have that out in the field.
But squatch bait is good. Allright, folks, Please join us
at the Patreon section for our members. Here we're going to hear the story

(59:40):
of Fred's cousin. But just iswhat the story you just heard on steroids.
So we appreciate supporting us and hopeyou support friend as well. Until
next week, y'all, keep itsquatchy. Thanks for listening to this week's
episode of Bigfoot and Beyond. Ifyou liked what you heard, please rate

(01:00:02):
and review us on iTunes. Subscribeto Bigfoot and Beyond wherever you get your
podcasts, and follow us on Facebookand Instagram at Bigfoot and Beyond podcast.
You can find us on Twitter atBigfoot and Beyond that's an N in the
middle, and tweet us your thoughtsand questions with the hashtag Bigfoot and Beyond