Ep. 252 - Clobo's Catchup & Topical Talk!

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you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James BuboFay Bobo. Cliff, seems like it's
been a while. So is thatspoking to you? Yeah? Did the
last episode you were you were justyeah, you're heading down to see those
snow tracks down on the pine.So I spoke to Angie the snow at
Bigfoot Woman with the dermal prints andall that, and that was a good

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one. We got good feedback onthat, so that went pretty well.
Well cool cool. I wish Icould say the same about the footprint investigation.
Basically, the story was on Mondaymorning, the property owners went out
to the guy went out to histruck to go to work in the morning
about five thirty in the morning,and in the snow were these large footprints.
They were I did the math.I measured the guy's shoes. I
had pictures of the guy's shoes withthe prints in him. So I did

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a little bit of you know,fifth grade math basically, and I determined
that the prints were about sixteen inchesgive or take a little bit, sixteen
maybe seventeen somewhere in there. Andso the guy was flabbergasted, just like,
what is going on here? Therewere about five or eight five,
six, seven eight prints in thedriveway. The footprint that I said,
you guys, the photograph was byfar the clearest. The rest of them

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were a little bit more melted out. But when I saw those, well,
first of all, they're fresh,because the guy said that they weren't
there the night before, and theywere there in the morning, so they
were fresh. Unlikely to be hoaxes, because like, who's going to go
walk around in that, you know, I get three in the morning.
I mean, maybe they're hoaxes.I don't know. It's hard to say.
There's not really enough to go onin the prints, unfortunately, But

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I say, okay, this isinteresting because I know that they're fresh.
And you know, if I goout to one of my spots and I
walk around, if I find footprintsout there, I don't know when they
were put there. You know,I could guess based on erosion and wind
and all that, you know,just wearing away in gravity, you can
guess how long a footprint has beenin the ground, but you really don't
know. So these circumstances where youknow the night it was put down are

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fairly rare. I've had a coupleof those in the last month or two,
but they're fairly rare. So thiswas a really interesting opportunity. So
I called Darby back in you know, North Carolina, to say, hey,
this happened. This seems like anopportunity, and he says it actually
was. Because everybody's always ranting aboute DNA. E DNA is going to

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solve this, and maybe it will, but at this point E DNA is
pretty expensive, especially when you don'thave a target species, cause again we're
trying to prove that this target specieseven exists with DNA. So in order
to get and then go through allthe hoops and all that other jazz and

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figure out that there is an unknownprimate species in there, well that's a
very very expensive proposition, very timeconsuming and expensive. But because part of
that thing is that there's so muchother DNA in the woods. Like if
I found footprints and I took thesoil sample from underneath them, there's a
lot of other animals that live inthat wood, those woods there, like

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rodents and deer and bear and flyingsquirrels and birds and all sorts of other
things, and their DNA is alsoeverywhere, right So, and of course
if we had a sample of theunknown species DNA, well, that kind
of gives us a target, givesus a bullseye to aim for. That
would drop the costs significantly. I'mgetting by the way. I know I'm

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kind of rambling, but I'm gettingsomewhere. Just bear with me for a
second. So if we have atarget, it would drop the costs and
the time and all the effort significantly. But we don't have that at this
point. But the snow print offera unique opportunity, I've been informed because
unlike footprints in the mud, whereeverything in their mother's walking around through the

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woods and leaving their DNA and sloughingoff skin cells and breathing and doing all
these biological things that leave DNA traceson snow, if as long as the
foot did not pushed through the snowlayer and touched the ground, the vast
majority of the DNA that would bein that footprint in the snow would be
from the foot that made that footprint. It wouldn't be contaminated, or if

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that's even the right word, itwould be mostly the target species that left
the footprint. So that's a uniqueopportunity. I didn't I wasn't really aware
of this until I spoke to Derbyabout it. Beat up a. Darby's
brilliant. He has all sorts ofinteresting insights and thoughts, and so I
called him and I said, well, this is an interesting opportunity, and
he totally agreed. So I gottogether a snowprint e DNA kit pretty quick,

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you know, at the local Walgreens. I went and went shopping real
fast, and did all sorts ofsterilization procedures and stuff the night before,
got everything ready to go. Oneof my employees, my friend Tyler,
he hopped in the car with methe next morning and we drove the three
and a half hours, yeah,three hours and twenty minutes one way to
La Pine to find that all thesnow had melted, unfortunately, and there

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was no trace. There were someother marks nearby. Some of them were
clearly boot marks. I don't thinkthat that's that was what we're dealing with.
So there were some other larger marksthat may have been rather melted out,
and you know, ambiguous prints.They were about the right size,
about the right kind of the rightshape, and about the right distance.
But basically at the end of theday went down there for pretty much nothing.

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Yeah, but that's that's bigfooting.I've been on such a role lately
that you know, iways due fora bad trip, so to speak.
Yeah, even on fire. Igot to go out and talk to Dave
McCoy so McCoy son from the backin the sixties, the forest the cat
driver out there, the forestry engineer. Oh yeah, yeah, I know
exactly who Phil McCoy is. Idon't know if our audience does, though,

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because we have a lot of kindof new bigfooters that praps aren't as
familiar with the bigfoot history. Yeah, if you look back at the sixties,
he was integral, like he wasan integral figure and all that.
And when he was a bulldozer operatorfor the forcers, and he ended up
working as went through like head engineerof the roads out there for six rivers,
real respected guy, excellent tracker,excellent hunter. And he found Prince

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and he actually cast over fifty castsat eight different locations. Yeah, so
he was out there during that time, and like he met with mel Hester
and those guys down in the earlysixties down the high up Palm he met
that's where he first met Roger Pattersonback in like sixty three, I guess,
looking at the high end palm tracks. Stayed in touch with them.
He was a cohort of Al Hodgson, who own the store Wheelkrek. That

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was kind of like he was likethe main guy, like the you know,
pre internet and all that. Hewas kind of like a focal point
for exchanging. Anyone that was lookingfor Bigfoot Bluff Creek area Humble would stop
and see Al Hotson and when youleft, you to report whatever you found.
So he kind of was the gatherof all the information around there and
still was one of those trusted likecohorts. Yeah, and still got over

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eight different tracking events. He gotover fifty casts, and he had multiple
repeats of one with like a mangledfoot with a missing toe and it wasn't
it doesn't look the same as acripplefoot, you know, cast from up
in the Blues. But so anyways, he just heard from one of his
cousins that she might have some ofthe casts stored down in the Bay Area.

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Oh wow, that's great. Yeah, like maybe three or four or
something. Still, I mean thatthat's you know, any cast from that
time period is of great interest,just because that was the eight Day of
big footing, was when everything wasgetting going and everything was new. At
that point, there wasn't you know, you know, like say, for
example, now, if we founda footprint and there was a nice mid
tartal pressure ridge, it would notbe nearly as big a deal as something

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from the nineteen sixties because that thedoctor Meltrim's work is publicly available. But
back then that was unknown, thatwas unheard of. So that early evidence
offers us an interesting glimpse and anopportunity for congruence in the evidence between what
they found then and today what wenow know today based on the people whose
shoulders we stand upon. Yeah.Yeah, so I'm really looking forward to

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seeing what comes from that. ExcellentAxully sod did you get to see any
photographs or anything like that? No? No, Now, of course Sill's
dead. Who did you speak tohis son? Dave? And Dave was
there when they came out with whenRoger and Bob came out and called Al.
They also called Sil and Dave wastwelve years old, went with his
dad to will Kirk and they wentto the restaurant there and met up with

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It was him, Al, hisfather and Roger and Bob. Wow.
That's great, Yeah, they said. He he said, if Roger Patterson
got if Roger Patterson got hoax,he sures hected know it because he was
eyes popping out of his head.He was so excited and just wound up
high energy and yeah. Then heso he just said, he goes,
there's no way he was part ofit. If he got hoax, he

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wasn't part of it. That's whathe kept saying. Oh wow. So
so just to be clear, hesaw Roger that same day. Yeah,
when Roger came out and met withAl, he met with Alan Sill and
still brought his son. Wow.Wow. So that's actual, firsthand,
you know, witness of the eventsthat day that we've only heard about,
you know, right. Yeah.And he's funny, he didn't really remember

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Bob too much about Bob, youknow, He's like, so I just
knew Roger because Roger had been toour house a couple of times in the
early sixties and you know, hisfather knew him and he knew him,
and he also said he had JohnGreen. He knew his dad really was
good friends with John Green, andJohn Green had been down there a few
times at their place. Now,for our listeners, if you're wondering who
we're talking about, I know Boboexplained a pretty good riff about who sil

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McCoy is. But you've probably seensil McCoy. Sil McCoy is in a
very famous photograph, a couple ofdifferent photographs actually with Bob Titmas back from
the early nineteen sixties. One ofthe photographs is Bob Titmas and a gentleman
sil McCoy on a porch of acabin or a shack or something like that,
with some footprint casts in front ofthem. Those footprint casts are the
high im Palm prints from April nineteensixty three, and that is sil McCoy.

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I believe sil McCoy is also inanother photograph with Bob Tipmos from taking
at the same place at the sametime. I don't know who the photographer
was, so maybe it's John Green. So these pictures are in John Green's
books and they're holding up two footprintcasts and with the caption if I remember
right, something like two feet equalsa yard because they're only two of the
footprint casts together, and that witha yardstick over it and showing how large

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they are, and it is kindof a play on words there. But
that is sil McCoy, just inone of these unsung heroes of bigfooting that
was doing it forever and didn't writeany books he did, didn't do any
TV spots or anything, so veryfew people know about him and his work.
So it's fantastic that you got ahold of a relative of sil McCoy.

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Now I spoke to I think itwas Charlie McCoy. Is that right?
Is that another brother brothers? Yeah, I spoke to Charlie, like
maybe last year. I got ahold of his number because of the of
the footprint photographs that came to mevia doctor Russ Jones from Edie Gardner,
who's an elderly woman out now.She lives out in West Virginia, but

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she grew up in the Trinity Alpsbasically, and it was on her mother
and father's property that the high andpalm prints were cast were found and cast.
And she told me that her momwas out there working while her father
was She was like clearing brush orsomething on the property and a new,
newly bought property, and her dadwas at work and she got her mom

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got all sketched out something that waswatching her. She didn't know what it
was. And so then she foundfootprints and she called, I believe she
called Sil McCoy to come take alook, and because her no, no,
she called her husband, who Ithink worked with Sil McCoy, and
then Sil came out still by theway, short for Sylvester if you don't
know, Sil came out with BobTitmus, who cast those footprints. So

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yeah, Sill McCoy was all overthe place and his offspring are still out
there and sharing the stories. Yeah, Eric from the Bigfoot Museum and Will
Looker he's the one that set itup, and he's really you know,
trying to dig into this stuff likethat. That's fantastic. I mean,
that's why that's what we do hereat the NABC, of course, but
down there, you know, that'sthe epicenter. That was like ground zero

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in a lot of ways. SoI'm glad that Eric kind of taken the
lead on that. I also hada conversation with Eric this past week,
kind of a comparing notes on museumsand all that sort of stuff, and
we're going to try to get togetherat some point and maybe flesh out some
opportunities for both of us, youknow, either share resources or you know,
I said, anything I can dofor you, let me know,
because you know, I don't viewany other Bigfoot museum as competition. I

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view it as part of the team, so to speak, you know,
doing God, doing God's work.So he'd seem like it seemed like a
really cool guy. Yeah, hewrote, he's he's a member of the
NABC actually, so that's how Imet him. He wrote me a private
message on our Patreon page, andI reached out and I said, here's
my number, give me a call. And I spoke to him just a
few days ago, I guess maybelast week. Yeah. Really nice guy.

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So I'm going to try to makeit down to Willow Creek this summer
at some point, so I'll letyou know when that happens. And I'm
particularly interested in going into bluff tosee what's burned and what's not. Yeah,
definitely. Yeah, a lot ofpeople are been telling me they're going
in there, and I said,well, good, take pictures, show
me what's going on. I'm reallyinterested in seeing, you know, because

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with with Man, if all thefolio is burned away, that place is
so prone to landslides. I'll bevery surprised if any of those roads survive,
especially in the burnout areas. Ohdude, it's going to be ugly.
It's gonna be other going out there. Well, I'm looking forward to
checking it out and just you know, sitting on on the hood of my

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jeep and weeping quietly as I oftendo. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and
Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'llbe right back after these messages. Oh
man, So something else has happenedsince I spoke to you last the North

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American Bigfoot Center here we did abooth at the Sportsman Show, the Pacific
Northwest Sportsman Show, which is oneof these like hunting, fishing, boat
shows sort of thing, and boy, it was a grueling, punishing gig.
I will tell you that. Youknow, It's one thing doing one
or two days at a Bigfoot conferenceand having people come up and say hi
to me for twelve hours a day, But it is another thing to have

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sixty thousand people pass through the ExpoCenter here in Portland, and ten percent
of them twenty fifteen percent of themare oh, Bigfoot, that's cool.
I didn't know there's a Bigfoot museum. And there's another full ten to twenty
percent of the people who are justlike rolling their eyes at me and just
muttering what an idiot under their breath. For the most part, the reception

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was was maybe lukewarm, but acouple of people were quite interested, and
I on Saturday, I took twelvesighting reports, and people seem like the
skeptics seemed very shocked at that.They say, well, dude, look
at look around man, we're ata hunting fishing show. Certainly there are
a lot of witnesses here. Acouple of the guides, notably some guides

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from Alaska, came up to meand shared some vocalizations they recorded and their
stories. Oh cool. Did youget copies? Yeah? Yeah, they
send them to me. Yeah.And then he also previously sent it to
Dave Dave Ellis too, so hehad already has copies, which is kind
of nice. I was kind ofwandering around, just you know, tripping
out and getting out of the booth, because man, those are long days,

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like ten twelve hours, and thosethat cement booth. You know,
hey, have you heard the bigFoot Museum yet? Like what pushaw and
like walking away and rolling their eyeslike that gets a little old. But
I was walking around and went upto a BC booth, a British Columbia
guide, and said, hey,have you ever seen a sasquatch? And
he like looks at me and hego, I don't really talk about that
stuff unless I know who I'm talkingto. I go, oh, I'm

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Cliff. I was some nerd onsome TV show and I have the booth
over there, blah blah blah,and he goes and then he goes,
no, I haven't seen one,but here's my stories. And then he
sat and he told me like fourstories. You know, he hadn't seen
one, but he found beautiful printsin the clay and all that sort of
you know that kind of thing.A lot of people, once you get
past that non you know that thatgruff exterior, have half I mean,

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so many of those people have stories, but gosh, a couple very interesting
things popped up. One. Idon't know if he's listening or not.
I thought he said he was alistener some guy name who Do was?
His name's a Humboldt character. I'llsay that, you know, and you
know the type bobes. He's likeprobably sixties or something like that, sixties,

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that decade year old, you know, big, big, sort of
not quite a cowboy hat, notquite a crazy person. Happen somewhere in
between. He was talking about seeingone down I think it was southern Humboldt
somewhere, kind of down by honeydewsomewhere. If he saw one there run
a walk across the road right infront of him, and he talked to
him for quite a while. Hetold me about friends of his and Shasta
that have a big footprint that theycast on their property or nearby their property.

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So he said he was going tolook into that. We'll see if
he does or not. That'd becool. So who Do if you are
listening, got my eye, I'mwaiting for you to call. There was
There was one guy though, whoI really wanted to talk about on the
podcast because he said that he wasas a ten year old boy in the
early nineteen seventies, he was givena cast and then a few years later
another cast, and he doesn't knowif they're originals or if they're copies.

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But what he does remember is thatthey come from a property by Lake Merwyn,
which is just south of you know, Mount Saint Helens Lewis River area,
from a property there that had bigfootspopping by every once in a while.
And I was thinking to myself,the only other thing, the only
other Lake Merwin casts that I amaware of at all, let alone from

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the sixties and seventies, is fromthat same property that Roger Patterson used to
go to. He had he hadfriends down on Lake Merwin and like the
Lewis River somewhere that he would goby and they and I believe, if
I remember right, Roger either castprints down there on the property or maybe
got prints from the property owners.And I'm wondering, could these casts,

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first of all, be original,That would be fantastic if there's something unknown
from the data set. It's alwaysgreat to expand the data set. But
could it be that these are fromthe same property, they're for the same
bigfoots or maybe even the same castingevents. He says he doesn't remember anything
about him because they're in boxes somewhere, but he says that the information is
written on the back of the cast. So really really interesting stuff. I've

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got a few leads to Oh here'sanother one. I'm so sorry I'm dominating
the conversation, but man, somuch happens in my life Bigfoot related.
So I just spoke to this guyabout an hour ago. Actually I called
him right before we became on theair. Here this one gentleman, the
names Marv. Real nice guy,super nice guy. He's a local guy.
He came up to me and wasasking questions, and he eventually shared
with me that he saw one ofthese things. Now he's in his early

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sixties, but he saw one ofthese things in nineteen actually two sasquatches.
In nineteen seventy three. He andhis father were doing a horseback ride around
Timothy Lake in Mountain Hood National Forest. Timothy Lake is still very active today,
particularly the south side of the lakeon the border of the reservation,

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the Warm Springs Reservation over there.But they were doing they were circumnavigating the
lake on horseback, and at onepoint, about two thirds of the way
around, they got off the horsesand just took a break. And he
was a young man, well,he was a boy. I think I
think he said he was like,I don't know ten or something. I
forget how old he was at thatpoint, because I forget how old he

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is now. He could probably dothe math and figure it out, but
I'm not gonna so Anyway, hegets off the horse and he's hanging out
with his dad or whatever, andthen he's something catches his eye, and
long story is short, about onehundred yards away, on hundred and fifty
yards away, he sees a headof a sasquatch looking over a log.
Then like it keeps bobbing up anddown and like you know, hiding and
then peeking over the top and stuff. And he's going, no way,
you know, look at that.And then to the left of it,

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he sees something else catches his eyeand there's another one, you know,
a short distance away from the first, behind a tree, and it keeps
poking his head out from behind thistree. Well, he calmly walks over
to his horse, pulls out hisKodak one ten camera and snaps two pictures
of these things. He told mestraight out. It's like, yeah,

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they're not good pictures there, youknow, Kodak one ten film camera at
one hundred yards or one hundred fiftyyards, but they're in there. They're
not good pictures. They're not goingto convince anybody. But and so I
asked him, and he's currently lookingfor those photographs in the storage boxes,
so he would share them with theNABC and so we'd be putting them on
display at some point. Oh.I just love that kind of thing,

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like, even if they're not good, they're clearly not going to be great
pictures, right, maybe there's noquestion about that. But how cool is
that? You know? It fitsreally nicely with another display we hear we
have here at the NABC that you'veseen where this guy went backpacking it like
Abount Jefferson and he was getting followedby something he never saw it, and
he found a footprint and then hefound handprints in the snow and that scared

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him so bad he left. Andhe gave me the original polaroid handprints that
are hanging on the wall, andalso the actual camera that he took those
photographs with. And you know,it's not groundbreaking, it's not earth shattering
in any way or anything like that. It's just cool little tidbits of history,
you know, And that's the kindof thing that I just love displaying

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that kind of thing in the NABC. So it sounds like we have a
lead on another one of these thingsas well, with this gentleman Marv from
Timothy Lake. So I'm looking forwardto seeing those. Yeah, for all
old cast stars, I've always beenlike, oh, my uncle Cass went
back in the seventies or whatever,like they almost I think I've only seen
like one ever turn up, youknow, like where they you know,
let's surround somewhere that they could neverfind it from my experience, very very

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rare, very very rare. Ohand you know, and I know that
we have a lot to do,and I blah blah blah, Clif's just
blabing the entire time, and I'mso sorry about this. But here's another
interesting thing that's happened in the lastweek or two. Kenny Brown bigfoot out
in Ohio. Super nice. Skyknow the entire Brown family I considered to
be friends. I see him atthe Ohio conference every single year, and
I know they're listening. So ohthey're wonderful, right and they're listeners.

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So Hello Browns, Hello Browns.Love you anyway. Kenny wrote me and
said Hey, Cliff, somebody hassome stomp on eBay. I go,
oh really, And I took alook at him, and I go,
oh my god, yeah, lookat those. And the story on eBay
is a little bit different than whatI got in person. But the long
and short of it, he wantedway too much money for him. Then
he didn't get it, and thenhe dropped the price to another number that

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was still way too much, andhe didn't get that one either. So
I wrote him a private message andsaid, hey, I have a museum,
can want to work something out.And long story short, we work
something out. And so I gotanother pair of fake stompers. Now now
the quest, I guess is tolearn more about them, because I have
some suspicions about them at this point, and I need to get them verified.

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What area, that's just it.That's just it. He got them
in not central organ but like westernOregon, but like, you know,
southern Oregon. I guess you know. And I have about a seventeen minute
interview with the gentlemen that our lovelyand talented volunteered. Joanna at the museum
here is currently transcribing with all theinformation, so she's working on that right

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now. But basically he got themin about you know, the numbers are
fuzzy. Obviously, he's this gentleman'sin his seventies and he's thinking back decades.
The numbers are a little fuzzy,but he's guessing that probably about nineteen
sixty eight he was given these stompers. Okay, he in the initial eBay
listing, he said that those weremade in the forties. Am I doubt

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it? I doubt it. Ithink that they were made in the fifties
or early sixties. But I couldbe wrong about that. But I'm going
to be finding out more real sooner. I'll get to that. So this
guy basically was given these fake stompersthat were already used at the time.
So somebody had been hoaxing some stuff. They're pretty big. They're about seventeen
eighteen inches long. This guy gotthe stompers and he went out and hoaxed
some stuff a couple of times.Like most he said, he was never

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caught, except for one time hewas caught in Idaho hoaxing some prints.
And so I have all that informationwritten down and everything like that. But
he got them while working at amill and the owner of the mill was
a guy named Don Boswell. Yeah, and there's a Boswell senior and junior.
And if you look up Don Boswell, the thing that comes up is

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that story from Longview, Washington,No no, No, from Toledo,
Washington about Ray Wallace dying and allthat other stuff, and it mentions Boswell
in conjunction with Rant Mullins, theother hoaxer. There's a picture of Rant
and doctor Jeff Meldrum's book Sasquatch LessonMeet Science with the two stompers. Those

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stompers he carved for a night.He probably had those before, but he
used them in nineteen eighty two forlike a news piece or whatever. We
have those nineteen eighty two original stomperswith Rant Mullens autograph on the back of
them, on display in the NorthAmerican Bigfoot Center. Now, these these
are older than that, much olderthan that. And Don Boswell supposedly went

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hoaxing with Rant Mullins. These verywell could be another set of Rant mullins
Is stompers or Ray Wallace's stompers.I don't know which yet. But this
coming weekend, through a wonderful friendof mine named Darlene, she has now
arranged me meeting Don Boswell, whois one hundred and one years old,

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along with Dale Lee Wallace. Youknow, I think that's what is its
rays Sun or nephew or something likethat. I'm going to meet both of
these gentlemen this week and have alengthy story written heckle full heckling full interview
with these guys because I'm probably prettyfoolish to them because I think sasquatches are
real, and they're both completely confidentthat each of them invented it. Oh

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god, yeah, so we'll see, we'll see. But the thing is
Boswell was hoax and stuff in thein the in the sixties. You know,
he was hoaxing. He was hoaxingthings down in northern California. So
I'm hoping to find out where andwin as closely as possible to try to
track down some of these things,and like, for example, these I

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have a sneaky suspicion that these particularstompers that I have may have been the
stompers or may have been behind theone footprint cast that Barbara Wasson got that
I am in possession of because Iowned the Barbara Wasawson collection, you know,
yeah, I have not pulled outthe cast yet because this is my

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first day back of work, andthe stompers that were at work, so
it didn't come back here this weekendfor a change. So I need to
take these home today and I'm goingto compare them. But still, the
guy told me that he hoaxed severaltimes around southern Oregon, and the time
period matches when this guy was hoaxingthe area kind of matches. He told

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me that there was a group ofthree bigfoot researchers that would come out.
Walt told me this, by theway, about these prints that I have,
these stompers. Walt told me thatthere were a group of three Sasquatch
researchers that would come out whenever hemade these prints, because he would just
call him and say that, hey, there are in the ground. He
didn't say, I'm lying to you, I'm hoaxing. He would. He
would he would lie to these threebigfoot researchers to come out, and then

(28:06):
those bigfoot researchers would give him liketwenty bucks for reporting it to him.
It's like, wow, that's that'sshady. First of all, but second
of all, who were these threeguys? He couldn't remember their names.
He didn't remember what they looked likeor anything. He just remembers were these
three researchers that were really interested infresh footprint finds. So he said when
unemployment ran out, every once ina while he would go stomping around and

(28:26):
share them crazy stuff. Right.Yeah, Yeah, Hopefully I'm going to
get to the bottom of these stompersin the next week or two. Hopefully
I will have a little bit moreinformation, because you know, I mean,
if any of that early you know, early sixties stuff from like say
Bluff Creek or somewhere down there,or the high imp palm stuff for that
matter, any of that stuff,although high MP Palm I'm confident aren't aren't

(28:48):
hoaxed. There's some really tell talefeatures in there. But some of the
other stuff kind of on the fenceabout you know, there's some things that
I suspect were hoaxes, some thingsthat I don't know but I'm open to
him be hoaxes, and there's someother things that clearly are not. So
I always think about Matt Moneymaker,and for different reasons than you always think
about Mat Moneymaker. But one ofthe reasons that I think about Matt Moneymaker
is one of the one of thethings he's said that just rings so true.

(29:14):
He always said it when applying tofootage, but I say it applying
to footprint casts. He always saidthat to be an expert in real bigfoot
footage, you have to be anexpert in fake bigfoot footage. And I
really feel the same about footprints aswell. To be an expert in real
sasquatch prints, you have to bean expert or at least learn as much

(29:34):
as you can about fake bigfoot footprints. Absolutely, stay tuned for more Bigfoot
and beyond with Cliff and Bobo.Will be right back after these messages.
Yeah, so we we We're gonnalook at what's in the news. Yeah,

(29:55):
what's the latest things color last severalweeks. We have a small number
of articles, which is good becausewe actually don't have much time. I've
been talking the whole time. Sowould you like to start with any particular
article, Bobo. The one thatcaught at first was the humor one where
the largely great apes like oranguta's,chimps, bonobo's and gorillas will tease each

(30:18):
other, especially the younger ones,like how humans tease like different than play
but actually teasing. Yeah. Yeah, this particular article, the one,
the version we read, it wasall over the news for a minute.
There was from USA today. I'mnot sure what the date was on there.
I guess it doesn't really matter,but it was a study kind of
pointing out that apes play, whichisn't that big of a deal. It

(30:41):
makes a lot of sense to me. I mean, I think actually when
I shared this with you, youyou kind of said something to the effect
of duh, you know, andand and rightly so, and rightly so.
But what does this have to dowith bigfoot exactly? You know?
I think that is the interesting conversationto be had. I'm convinced that bigfoots

(31:02):
have sentences in here. I mean, I know people and people that have
like a lot of repeating, likeyou know, visitations and that sort of
thing. Everyone that has a longterm internationally and say they have like they
like to play pranks, they liketo hide things, hydro tools, hide
things of yours then put them backsomewhere else maybe different. Uh, that's
the That's the main thing I knowabout him, like, you know,
doing stuff like that. And mydad heard that one those ones laugh in

(31:27):
New Mexico when he was putting ona change in his underwear and he was
pulling, you know, it waslike freezing cold out, like he's like
twenty something degrees out and he's butnaked trying to pull his jockeys on and
his toil got his uh, thewaste waistband got got caught between his big
tail and his second toe. Andwe went to pull up and made him
pitch for and fall and from thebarn and he heard that he who and

(31:52):
then all the like it sounded likethe big ones scolded the little ones.
And then when my dad yelled,I heard the yell, and then we
heard the running. They were inthe hayloft of the bar. They just
ran out the back and jumped downand they ran off. And that's where
the big one stepped on a sheetof sheet metal and crinkled it. And

(32:12):
it was fifteen and a half inches. It wasn't like a perfect outline of
the foot, but you can seewhere the heel and the big tail and
everything was. Yeah, but Iwas like, yeah, those little bastards
were laughing at me when I fell. I heard that from a lot of
people that they liked to screw itout you like, you know, play
little games. A couple of thingspopped out to me when I read this
article. Well, first of all, it said that it wasn't like when

(32:36):
they were observing the behavior that theyinterpreted as play. It was interesting because
at one point, here's a quotefrom one of the people that one of
the researchers, we were actually ableto use the video we had and look
through the video to find places wherethe apes were interacting with one another in
a way that wasn't fully play andwasn't fully aggression. It was sort of

(32:57):
somewhere in the middle. To finishthe quote. I think that out right
there is interesting, very interesting actually, because when you think about the purported,
the reported sasquatch behaviors out there,how many of these people are just
like It makes me wonder how manyhuman witnesses are misinterpreting what the sasquatches are
doing. Oh low, maybe,or or maybe you'd be a fool to

(33:20):
go out there and interpret it asplay. But maybe some of these aggression
displays are actually this Bigfoot's messing withyou and having fun, which is kind
of what I've been wondering about forquite a while. I think that might
be the case, but at thesame time, maybe that might be a
foolish thing to assume if one's actuallypretty pissed at you. H yeah,
because uh, I mean throwing,throwing rocks, you know, slapping the
outside of houses. You know,that's kind of aggressive and it's kind of

(33:44):
playful. It depends on how youwant to interpret it really depends on how
the sasquatch means it. But wedon't know that. There's no way to
know that. What about touching thetents, you know, that seems like
a curiosity thing, but you know, from if you're scared inside of a
tent, that could be very Itcould be interpreted as aggression, right yeah,
I think I think scared, likescared humans. To them, it

(34:06):
was like, oh it's good time, It's time to screw with these These
ones are going to be fun tomess with, right right. So another
thing that I thought was interesting isthat they said that they couldn't prove it,
but it seems that the young onesdo it more. Oh yeah,
and I think we see that insasquatch behavior too, right, absolutely,
absolutely, yeah. It seems likethe ones that screw around are five to

(34:30):
seven and seven and a half feettall, but usually like around the you
know, five to six and ahalf, I'd say is the most five
to seven and then just seven anda half. But if people are accurate
in their descriptions, yeah, thoseare the ones that are especially like because
I've always thought that you know thatthey get together like like maybe like young
lions or the males will pack upuntil they're you know, when they're out,

(34:52):
when they're too big in the familypod then but not being enough to
have their own you know, separatezone, we'll get there like lions and
pala around. And those are theones that the natives say, really screw
with you like love to just playhigh jinks and stuff. That's why I
always thought a lot of those roadcrossings are the smaller ones where they ran
right in front of the car,like on a lonely country road. As

(35:14):
always convinced there's their buddies are likehigh five of them on the side,
like see how close out like theyjust most love it when I see a
car lock up it spreaks and skidor just here the as a car pass
cycle on here, you know,coming from out inside the vehicle always you
know, well, is that I'msure they get off on that. We'll
find out someday in the future,hopefully, but I think that's what I

(35:36):
think it is. Well, apparentlythey mostly had they I think completely had
video of juvenile apes, which kindof skewed their data unfortually, so they're
not sure if juveniles do it morethan I would agree. I think juveniles
do it more in that I thinkyou can safely, you know, like
at least guess that, maybe notassume that, but guess that based on
human behavior, because we can't forgetwe're apes. We that is our family.

(35:59):
We share so many of our behaviorswith the other great apes. That's
why that's one of the many reasonsit's so interesting to study them. It's
because we learn more about humans,you know, and that's obviously true in
humans, that the juveniles are moreplayful and whatnot. I thought that was
really interesting. And of course withall these stories of juvenile possibly juvenile sasquatches

(36:19):
and whatnot, and you know,I have to reflect upon, you know,
our one of our research spots,we've been finding a twelve inch footprint,
a lot a lot more than thefourteen although we've been finding the fourteen
as well, and then maybe oncewe have evidence of a big male in
the area, so that goes tothat juvenile thing, Like not only are
they perhaps you know, more carelessor whatever, they probably play a little

(36:40):
bit more. Maybe that's probably maybethat's why more sign is left, or
maybe that's why they they are lesscareful because they're playing, you know.
I mean, at the end ofthe day, a six foot human probably
is very similar, especially in likelet's say a six foot human male,
Okay, that probably has the buildof a juvenile sasquatch in some sort of

(37:04):
way, because I think that thefemales are probably much stockier and bigger,
like linebacking like Patterson Gimlin's film subjectsort of thing. But like most most
humans aren't built like that. Mosthumans six feet tall or whatever, we're
gonna be thinner, and that thatsort of thinner build might be more resembling
of say a teenage you know,teenage animal so sorry worth human or sasquatch.

(37:25):
So maybe that's where it comes from, you know, like some sort
of natural inclination is like, well, something that's that tall and built like
that is probably not fully grown andtherefore another juvenile And I'm gonna play with
it. Yeah, definitely, I'dagree with that. Now that the study
also showed that the apes engaged ateighteen distinct teasing behaviors that were used to

(37:46):
elicit a response from the thing itwas teasing, like waving and swinging body
parts or objects right in the otheranimal's face, or hitting or poking the
other animals like the other apes,or staring closely into a the rapes faces,
disrupting target's movements, and pulling outthe hair. We're all frequently seen

(38:06):
as teasing behaviors. How many ofthose, Bobo have you heard in Sasquatch
reports? Waving arms or hands,swinging body parts, getting close to somebody's
face, not that, not notthat so much poking or hitting something,
staring really hard, you know thatkind of stuff, or getting in the
way of their movements, pulling hair, any that, Any of that suffering

(38:27):
a bell to you. Yeah,Like the slapping, like with ay,
they'll slap like someone sitting on atripically might slap the branch next to him
or something even or well, yeah, we'll think about slapping the outside of
houses, you know, That's whatI was thinking. Yeah, that'd be
real similar, getting close and staring. I mean maybe not close like those
those others are like not that close, but they'll stare it. They'll stare

(38:51):
you down, you know, likethey'll but I think that's that is more
of an intimidation than play, whenthey stare you down. It definitely could
be. Now here's something that thatthey observed in some of the apes that
that I've heard a couple far flungstories, but these are definitely outliers.
Okay. One of the things thatthey observed in these apes would be like
making themselves look silly in a wayin the in the in the article here,

(39:15):
it mentions that children start doing playfulthings that push boundaries in different ways,
like they might take a shoe andput it on their head as a
hat and find that hilarious. Haveyou heard any sighting reports, because you've
heard a lot of stories in yourtime, you know, have you heard
any reports of people seeing sasquatches ofthem with them doing something strange, you
know, like using like I don'tknow, putting a shoe on top of

(39:37):
the head for a hat or somethinglike that, some ridiculous thing like that.
Have you heard any of that before? Not? That comes out the
top of my head, gotcha,because I've heard one or two stories about
them maybe putting the clothing on themselves, kind of like you see orangutans do
every once in a while. Ithink one of them came from that Janice
Carter book if I remember right.Is that sound familiar? I've heard I've

(40:00):
heard those, but I've never talkedto the person. I just read a
few things like that. Okay,I don't know, I don't know,
but anyway, Yeah, very interestingarticle and it does kind of bring up
some interesting questions about the way peopleinterpret sasquatch behavior. And I don't I
don't want to be the person tosay, oh, they're just playing with
you and then somebody goes out andgets their arm broken or something like that.

(40:21):
Sasquatch, you know. But atthe same time, maybe it's kind
of like what you know with ourAustralian friends, like the early Like a
lot of the aUI researchers comment abouthow dangerous and all that so other yawis
are, and you know, maybethey are, or maybe they're just afraid
of them because of you know thatputting that fear in front of you makes
all the behavior seem aggressive, youknow what I mean, and people here

(40:43):
in North America clearly do that aswell, especially out in the dark,
and they don't see the aggressor andthere's something they're making noise and banging around
and stomping and throwing things. Maybeit's fun. Maybe it's fun for the
Sasquatch and it's just playing, youknow, because you know, bullies probably
have a good time when they're bullying, for example. Oh yeah, yeah,
well, I don't know. Itseems like most of the play with
the Great Apes Sin in general waslike what they refer to as playful teasing.

(41:08):
And you know, a five anda half six foot sasquatch is going
to look at us and want tobully us. I'm sure you know,
you think, especially like a fiveor six short because they can't really bully
a too many other big foots,but they can bully a human. Yeah,
no problem with kind of whimps atthe end of the day. Anyway.
Yeah, I thought that was aninteresting article, So maybe it does

(41:29):
shed a little bit light on Sasquatchbehavior in some sort of way. But
again, I'm not going to testthat hypothesis. If something is out there
being seemingly aggressive with me, Iwill probably act accordingly and not just saying,
oh, he's just playing with us, yeah, because that could be
a fatal mistake. I think,yeah, it potentially could be. I'm
not too worried about it, nottoo worried about it, but I don't

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know. You've had them pretty likethink about your first encounter up there,
you know, like, what ifthat was his play and messing with you,
which I'm sure they were messing withyou, but you're scared, right,
Oh God, yeah, they weren'tplaying. They were intimidating or were
they on that one? I feelpretty confident saying they were pure intimidation on

(42:12):
that one, And I think that'sprobably the safer guests to go go with,
I think in any case, Soanybody out there, don't go,
oh, they're just playing with me. You don't say that about brown bears
either, right, It's like,oh, they just want to lick me.
They're just looking me because they loveme. It's like, no,
No, they're looking to you becauseyour food. Like you should always treat
that large wild animals with the utmostrespect and keep your distance whenever possible.

(42:36):
And if they're playing with you,let them have their fun, but you
you place you play it safe,right, That's my advice, and that's
what the lawyers told me to say. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond
with Cliff and Bobo will be rightback after these messages. How about that

(43:00):
archaeology story about the England's oldest footprints. Yeah, man, that really puts
back Hominin's being in that in thatI mean, that pushes the bar so
far back in time. It's aIt's really interesting because I used to like
always be like kind of like,man, they make these like definitive statements

(43:22):
about these things were at this timeand there was no humans or anything like
that during these you know, millennia, And I always thought like, they're
so cocky sounding when they say thesethings, and I know it's like until
further notice, you know, it'sall that's always the deal. But yeah,
I mean I'm not surprised. I'mnever surprised when I hear stuff like

(43:43):
that that things are pushed way back, you know, like estimates of time
and that sort of stuff. Yeah. And this particular is basically that this
particular news article basically states that whatis it one hundred and forty miles northeast
of London in the u K.Footprints were found of a homin nin,

(44:05):
a human ancestor that they're saying areare almost certainly Homo antecessor, which is
the last common ancestor that we knowof, because you know, human evolution,
it absolutely happened, but it's stillcalled a theory not a law,
because we're still we're still kind ofputting together the puzzle pieces. How it
happened, that's the question. Notif it happened. That's not a question

(44:28):
anymore. It's how it happened.So we believe at this point that Homo
ancestor was probably the last common ancestorbetween Homo sapiens that's us and Neanderthals basically,
so a common ancestor between our speciesand Neanderthals. So but the fact
that these were there in the UKis pretty cool, and the fact that

(44:52):
they left footprints really, you know, perked my ears up as well,
because I'm very interested in a homininfootprints to see if there's any similarities between
sasquatch footprints and other hominins in general, most particularly like when the arch developed.
I think that's a very interesting questionbecause I think it was much more
recently than a lot of other folkswho are suggesting out there, like did
you know, for example, thatthey're saying that some textbooks, literally text

(45:15):
books lists, that Homo erectus hada developed arch, But that is from
what I understand, that is withoutany evidence whatsoever, because they don't have
any feet bones, like, theydon't have like a complete foot skeleton of
Homo erectus, So they're they're kindof walking on they're kind of guessing on
that one. Well, I thoughtdirect is one of the ones that we

(45:37):
had one of the most. Oh, I think we do. I think
we do, but I don't believewe have we have enough foot skeletons,
skeleton like foot fossils to make thatassumption at this point. But yet that's
literally in textbooks. I remember havinga conversation with Meltrium about that, and
you know, but maybe that textbookswas ten years old. Maybe they found
some stuff. In the meantime,If anybody listening, because you know,

(45:58):
there's a few hundred people listening tothis podcast, if anybody out there listening
has access to a paper or somethingdescribing foot structure of Homo erectus, I'd
love to see it. I'm alwaysinterested in that kind of thing. You
can email it to Matt Pruitt,our producer here at Bigfoot to Beyond podcast
at gmail dot com and then hewill forward it to me. I would
love to hear about any of thatsort of stuff. I'm also really interested

(46:20):
in learning about paranthropist footprints. Butour feet, I should say, footbones,
but there's not a lot of stuffout there about them either. There's
a few, there's a few isolatedbones, but nothing nothing you can really
piece together, so to speak.But anyway, the fact that I think
here the interesting thing of anecessor beingin the UK, there's evidence of this

(46:42):
at the UK. In the UKbecause of the dating of these footprints about
a million years ago or so.That's of interest, probably at least to
the UK researchers, because I thinkat this point, like I'm thinking,
there probably aren't Sasquatches in the UK. I don't know how you feel,
Bobo, but I'm feeling there probablyare not Sasquatches in the UK. But

(47:05):
a whole lot of people believe thatto be true. There's a lot of
UK researchers out there, and thenyou know they're they're out there doing what
they can to show that they werethat they are there, and good luck.
I hope they are, but atthis point I don't see the evidence,
so I'm thinking probably not. Idon't want to upset any of our
UK listeners, but that's just howI feel about it, and you know
me, I'm always going to tellyou the truth, even if you don't
want to hear it. But thefact that this hominin was there, well,

(47:28):
that should that should be of someinterest, I think to our UK
listeners. If if they're absolutely aflesh and blood creature, there's no way
they have them there still. Butif they are, you know, some
kind of paranormal nsity, like there'ssome you know, the Wu's strong with
them, and maybe there is somesightings there, but I certainly don't think
there's any chance of a hidden breedingpopulation. Now it'd be pretty tough,

(47:52):
pretty tough. Yeah. Now,when we were sent there for finding big
Foot Bobo, what were your initialthoughts there? Well, I was excited
because we heard that remember that AdamDavies, who we really respected, you
know, good buddy, We heardthat he had encountered that he thought that
they were there, So like wewere all psyched, and then we get

(48:13):
over there and we find out thatwasn't exactly what was what happened, so
that it seemed, especially in England, it was like they took us to
the biggest forest in England. Itwas what was it three miles by four
miles or something like that. Yeah, it wasn't real big, you know,
but yeah, it wasn't real bigat all. And you know,
I know, I think was Mattand Renee. I don't think you were
there, and correct me if I'mwrong, of course, but I think

(48:35):
Matt and Renee did something in likeSherwood Forest. Yeah, those guys that
I didn't. Yeah, and apparentlythat's ridiculously small, like just a few
acres or something. I don't know. I wasn't there. I don't remember,
unfortunately, but I was just excitedbecause the robin Hood thing. Of
course. Yeah. But when Iwhen I I don't know if you were
with me or not, I forget. But the forest that I went to
was basically a tree form. Youknow, everything was planted in rows pretty

(48:58):
uniformly, not a lot of signof anything, and you know, it's,
you know, but such a location. Thinking, you know, I
assume that there are not sasquatches theresuch a location would be an interesting control
group, you know, for along duration recorder. I think to go
out there and say, count thenumber of strange vocalizations and possible tree knocks

(49:22):
and all these sort of things asa control group for a forest that does
have sasquatches in it, I thinkthat would be interesting, kind of the
calibrate perhaps, you know, ButI digress, But I digress. But
anyway, Homo aneccessor in the UK, that's kind of cool, especially if
you know, what, if anyof these sightings are actually real, maybe

(49:44):
there's another way to explain them,because you know, we don't really know
if Neanderthals were covered in hair ornot. We just really don't know that.
And Homo aneccessor, you know,why wouldn't they be covered in hair?
They might be covered in hair aswell. It makes some sense,
I think. I mean, we'renot we're covered in hair. We just
kind of lost most of the furcoating, but we have all those hair

(50:07):
follicles. So who's to say.Maybe may again, I'm just being generous
here, but maybe some of thesesightings, if they are real, are
of one of these things, youknow, some relic species of this.
I mean, I don't necessarily thinkthat's the case. I just but who
knows, who knows? I didn'tsee these things possibilities there, I guess

(50:27):
so. But again, maybe I'mbeing too generous. Maybe I'm not.
I don't know. I know,I certainly know some people are adamant that
sasquatches are in the UK. Andyou know, I'm happy to be wrong
in such a case. You knowme, I'm pretty happy to I'm generally
okay with being wrong anyway. You'regonna be happy as hell, Cliff,
when they finally show you three deer'sthat they do break trees, and they

(50:51):
do leave higher like glypts behind sticksand structures and that sort of stuff.
Oh golly, I certainly think theybreak trees, Bobo. I just don't
think that they make glyphs and theymake little structures and stuff like that,
and to show you things. Maybethey do. I don't know, but
I'm completely confident they break trees.They've been seen doing it. That's the
whole thing. That's the thing thatstops me with the stick structure stuff,

(51:13):
with the prevalence of six structures inlike the Bigfoot mindset. Why is it
that I you know, you justdon't get siding reports of them making these
things. But do they break trees. Absolutely, They've been seen doing it.
Absolutely do. It's a known eightbehavior and they've actually been reportedly been
seen doing it. I'm completely onboard of that. And in fact,

(51:34):
Matt God we found a Dave hereat the museum actually found a really weird
thing out in the woods that's veryeye opening for me. It's not a
structure or anything. I'm not gonnacall it that, but man, it
is a there was and this isa location where footprint casts have been taken
before, by the way, withintwenty thirty yards of the spot. It's
on this this little out of theway seep coming down a hill going feet

(51:57):
into a larger river. One ofthe three or for research areas that we've
been working like lately, and wekind of dispersing ourselves and trying to get
into other areas we haven't been leately, and this is one of those.
He found this tree that was abouttwo inches in diameter, broken six feet
eight inches off the ground and andlike these other branches were like twisted and

(52:19):
kind of interwoven into itself. I'veseen a couple very weird things come out
of this location before. I've neverwith my own eyes, I've never found
anything. So day finding this independenceof everybody else in one of our areas
was very interesting to me. Someof the other people who work this area
that we shared data with, they'veshowed me some weird things out of this

(52:42):
area too, that kind of goalong with this pretty well, I think.
But yeah, very weird. I'lltext it to you right now and
you can check it out. Sooh cool, Yeah, you can check
it out. It's actually going tobe featured in the next uh in the
next North American Bigfoot Center video,because you know, we put out two
videos of our own field research everysingle month for museum members. This will

(53:04):
be featured in the next one,so our museum members and there's a lot
of overlap between our museum members andour listenership here, so all you NABC
members will be able to see thisvery very soon. So we did a
whole video on it. It's sointeresting. I see, well, it's
out in cyberspace coming to you rightnow. Let's see. Okay, I
got something just came in from cliffOh wow, yeah, wild right,

(53:28):
that's without a data squatch or it'sI don't know. Remember, there's a
couple of researchers that work this area, so I have to get in contact
with them to find out are youtrying to talk to these bigfoot things by
doing stuff? You know? Imean there's always that possibility. I don't
know, interesting things. So yeah, very peculiar tree thing. I wouldn't
call it a structure. I don'tknow what to call that. It's more
than a tree break, but itcertainly it isn't a structure. So I'm

(53:50):
not sure what to do with thatone. But I've seen other photographs taken
by these researchers in this area whereone of the trees has been like pulled
down and you know, smaller treepulled down in one of these you know,
these arch things are we talked about, but it's not just an arch
that that like clearly happens naturally allthe time with wine maples and other plants
like that. But the branches werepulled around the trunk of another tree twice

(54:16):
and then tied in a weird sortof crappy knot very weird stuff. Again,
I'd like to see these in personand do a close examination of them,
but I have never found one myself, and I've so far only seen
photographs of these things, and theresearchers say that, no, we found
prints like right there, like twentyyards away, and this is was like,

(54:37):
you know, on this really crappyroad that there's no reason for anybody
to ever walk on. It's like, oh, well that's of interest.
We'll see. Yeah, So howdo you talk to those guys? Are
pretty easy for you to find out, right, Oh yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah. Once the weather clearsup in this this is kind of a
higher elevation spot. So once wecan get up there, they've they've commented

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that they're going to take me tosee these weird ones that they shown me.
And then this spot that Dave haslocated is under snow now and probably
will be for the next few weeksat least, depending on the weather.
But I'll probably get out there inthe next you know, two months,
once we can. I thought we'regonna be set for the rest of the
rest of the winter. In thespring here, it's like cool, the
weather's gonna be great. Then allof a sudden, it is, you
know, dumped snow. I meanI lived at seven seven or eight hundred

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feet in elevation and we had twoor three inches on the ground yesterday.
Cool. Yeah, well good forI mean good for the water levels,
but not good for squatching, allright, folks, So we're gonna wrap
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