Ep. 251 - Angie From Ohio!

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Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay.Hello, folks, we'll go on a
big fit and be on with usuallyCliff and Bobo. Let's today It's just
Bobo Cliff checking out some fresh snowprintsthat just shut up yesterday. Hopefully it
didn't get too snowed or rained onsince then, but we'll find out when
he gets back. And I'm lookingforward to the update. But this week
we got a great guest, soI was aware of it, didn't really

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dig into her stuff till just recently, and I'm very impressed. She's a
great researcher. I mean she's putout more data than ninety nine point nine
percent of people. And uh yeah, So her name she goes by snow
White on snow at Bigfoot, onFacebook and YouTube. She has her own
channel. It's highly recommend checking itout. But her name is Angie.

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So I want to say welcome toAngie. Hello, Bobo, Thanks for
having me on. Yeah, you'refrom uh So you live in the hot
spot of Ohio. Yes, yeah, we're less than an hour away from
Saltfork. That's an hour from Saltware. You sent me your address. I
was looking on Google Earth and Icouldn't figure out at first. I was

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like, what's bringing them? Like, why are they going there so much?
Like, like, you know,what would bring young ones up there?
Seems like you have you know,adolescents or even infant ones up there.
I mean, so you obviously feelvery comfortable on your property for them
to be returning it, because I'mconvinced you have big foot. Started listening
to the sounds and your fate,your fingerprinted German origins you photographed, and

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it's just really impressive. Well thankyou. Yeah, so you became away.
You became aware of the squatches intwenty fifteen, But did you just
move there or did you live therefor a while? Well, actually I
became aware that they were here beforethat, but that in twenty fifteen October
was when the interaction started. Somy husband, Jim has lived here about

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thirty years now. I married himin two thousand and seven and we got
married December fifteenth, so I've beeninterested in Bigfoot previously before that, but
I hadn't like started looking into ita lot. Then after I married Jim,

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he bought me a camera and Iwas really into photography. So when
spring came, I couldn't wait toget out and explore the woods because I've
always had a love for nature too. So I go down in our woods
to look around and take pictures andjust explore. And we have a pond

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on the west side. Well,we have a pond on both sides of
the property, but I was onthe west side that particular day, and
I was taking pictures of a duckthat was down there, and the duck
started walking down into the woods belowthe pond, so I followed it taking
pictures and I came across this weirdlooking structure thing, which now I know

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it was a Bigfoot structure, butat that time, I was like,
what the heck is that? That'sweird. So I took a picture I
would just because it was weird.And then I came back home and I
showed the picture to my son Boand he said, that kind of looks
like one of them things Bigfoot makes, and I was like, hmm,

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So I looked it up on theinternet and I found similar looking structures,
and I was like, yeah,I think it is. And then I
started talking in the gym about it. And then he started remembering things that
happened to him and his boys allthe years, you know, before I
met them. So that kind ofgot everything started at that point. What

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kind of things stood up to themin the past, Like when they looked
back at the said, because Iknow when they figured out like, oh,
there's big foot here, they lookedback and go, oh, that
must have explained all kinds of stuff. Was it like Knox or house.
What were they experience that they realizedlater on it was a bigfoot. Well,
the boys they used to run around, you know, all over the
property and they would go like downto the pond. They said they were

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down at the one on the eastside, just playing at the pond,
and they had like rocks getting liketossed. I don't know if it was
at them or in the water,but you know, they had that happen.
And also they were down in thefield just below our house here at
the bottom and they both saw somethinglike it kind of looked like a bear

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beside a tree, but then itstood up and walked away. So they
came back up to the house andgot their dad and told him what was
going on. They were all scared, and he knew something had happened because
how scared they were, and hewent back down there, but he didn't
see anything. Also, I thinkthere was a time when they were having
a bonfire and they had family overand they were tossing the ball football and

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I think Jim passed it to Tonyand it landed like it was at night,
of course, and it landed behindhim, towards the barn, and
so he had to go get it. And when he came back and he
said to his dad, I'm notgetting the ball because there's some guy in
a fur coat crouched down over there, and I'm not getting the ball.

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So Jim went and got the ball, but it was gone. So there
were things like that happened some settings. Yeah, yeah, and I'm sure
they heard things. I know yourson's hunt. Did his son's hunt as
well on the property before you gotthere, Yes, they did. They

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didn't have any issues with that,like in tree stands or anything. They
didn't mention that, now my sonhas gone down into the woods. Even
after, like I started having interactionsand he like one time he went down
and he had a firearm on hisside. He was just going mushroom hunting,
but he was heading down towards thepond and he got growled at from

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behind him, and he continued downbelow the pond, messed around, started
coming back up, and then hewas getting rocks thrown, like coming through
the trees, some pretty good sizedrocks. So he gets back up to
the house. He says, Mom, I'm not going down and there's woods
by myself anymore. But he waspretty freaked out. But they, yeah,

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they've had things like that happened.I don't call any incidents with them
hunting. How often to have theybeen aggressive to the people on your property,
like as far as like even justgrowling or you know, like threatening
sounds or they seem like you mostlyhave a pretty non antagonistic relationship. Is
that the case that, yes,that's the case there. Personally, I

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haven't had. I can only thinkof like one or two times that I
felt really uncomfortable, and one timewas it was during a time that we
were having a lot going on here. I believe it was all in the
same week that my husband and hisson were sitting in the living room.

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It was summer, the windows wereopen, and they heard this got awful
like roar hol thing like a trex or something in the field, and
coyotes took off, and so thatwas, like, I think, one
of his most memorable vocalizations that he'sheard. So that happened. And then

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a couple days later, my daughtercame and woke me up at about one
o'clock in the morning and she said, Mom, there's something going on out
in the woods behind like her windowopened towards the section of woods where this
was all happening. She said,there sounds like there's something huge just crashing
through the woods, and it soundslike there's a monkey being strangled. So

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I go to her room and Ilistened at the window, and nothing happened.
It was over. So I finallygot in there. It was just
done. So the next day Iget up and I think, I'm going
to go back there and look aroundand see if I can see anything,
any evidence of what was going on. And I went to that area.

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I kind of looked around. Ididn't see any anything, So I just
continued down the path and I endedup going because it was a real nice
day. So I thought, I'lljust you know, go down to the
pond, take some pictures whatever.So I'm down at the pond kind of
just crouched down taking some pictures andstuff. And from up on the hill

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where all that commotion happened the nightbefore, I hear a tree get pushed
over, just you know, crackcrack, crack crash, and I just
kind of frozing, like your stomachturns, you know, and I thought
I better get out of here becauseI just felt like they were saying,
Hey, you shouldn't be down hereright now. Yeah, that's interesting.

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And you know, I can't figureout, looking on the Google alert,
like why they would be going upthere, Like I'm trying to stick where
they'd be going from one place another. I know, there's that large body
of water near you that you know, there's obviously some kind of attracting I
would imagine, but there's a coupleof more, you know that it's eas
they're trying to go to, likethose larger bodies the water, Like you're

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you're not in the in the lineof those like it seems like they have
to take a like kind of likeit just just I can't see why they
want to be going up to yourproperty. Have you figured out like is
there are you a half Like areyou on a travel route that makes sense?
Like I could be going to likeanother like woodland area like or you
know, some parkland or anything likethat. I think that they're here a

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good percentage of the time. Onething I've observed over the seven eight years
that I've been documenting everything is thatthey'll, like the activity will quit and
it'll be a law for like fiveto seven days on average, and I
can almost like count on them beingback between that five and seven days.

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So I think that they travel likein a circuit, which I have reasons
for thinking that too from what I'veobserved over time. I'm still, you
know, trying to figure out whatthe whole circuit would be. I was
just talking to Jim about that theother day, but I know that's included.

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Yeah, I was if I ifI ever get like a spot where
I can you know, have ahabituation site, go And I always thought
it'd be cool to put up likelike easels or something like go out there.
And I mean, I guess itwas summertime you can just put up
sheets of paper on like the easeland leave out like some markers. They'll
probably steal all the markers and stuff, but leave out like some finger paints.

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And just if you went out there, like you know, in the
eating before dark or whenever, whenyou know they're around, just went out
there and painted and you know,just smeared stuff on there, and then
you know, just left that outthere all the time, like somewhere that
it's not You're not trying to filmit. It's not in the eyesight of
the you know, where you guysare the house or anything, so we're
like private where they feel comfortable.If you just went in there all the

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time and painted, left the fingerprintsthere, I'll bet you would get great
uh you know, fingerprints all overthe place. And then also just to
like see what they their their mindis when they paint, because i mean,
I'm you've all seen like elephants andchimpanzees and gorillas paint. It's like
it's they can actually paint some reallycool stuff. I'd love to see some

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sasquatch hard Well, I got something. Let me go back to a little
bit before I talk about that.I did put out a drawing pad,
and the first fingerprint that I gotwas them touching this that I had drawn
a smiley face with the red crayon, and I left the crayon there and

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they came up and they were touchingit, and there was like little handprint
and fingerprints. You could see dermalridges and stuff. So that was the
first time. And another time Iput a drawing pad out and I put
like four different colored crayons. Ilined them up nice and orderly, like
they like it, yeah, AndI drew like I took the crayon and

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drew a line to show what thecolor was, you know, and that
did you right with it? AndI left him out, and so go
out the next day and they tookthe blue crayon, which they seem to
have a thing for blue, andit was broken in half. But so
one of them had tried, Ithink, to write with it because there

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were some marks on the paper,but it broke. So something else I
haven't mentioned either is I have likedolls that I made that represent them,
and then I have some that representus, like that I bought like a
girl and a guy and everything.But I have like there was a baby

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bigfoot and on up for size,and they took the little the little smallest
baby bigfoot and they put it onthe tablet like he's the one that broke
you. He's the one that brokeyour crayon. So yeah, there was
that. There was that time,and then another time. I got a

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coloring book and there was a pictureof a big crayon, so I colored
that and kind of blue, andI scribbled on a little bit and I
left that out and they picked upthe crayon and they did make some marks
on the paper. So I stillgot both of those things. About a

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year ago, Jim and I wasnice out, so we were sitting on
the back porch and there were westarted in the winter before that spring or
whatever it was, Jim started feedingbirds. So we were watching a lot
of the birds, and there wasa nuthatch if you know what they are,
But they're really funny to watch becausetheir head kind of like climb down

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a tree head down, would goup and down and look really funny.
So we were sitting there talking abouthow cute that bird was and everything.
So the next day I get upand right in front of the swing where
we were sitting on the porch.There was this finger drawing, like their

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fingers were muddy or something, andthere was a drawing of a bird on
the porch. So obviously they hadbeen observing us talk about the bird and
admiring it and everything, and madeus a bird picture. Stay tuned for
more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff andBobo will be right back after these messages.

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Well, I didn't see that photoof that, you know what I
did see a photo of a Imean, a drawing of a bird.
I guess that's I didn't realize whatit was. I was just kind of
scanning through your page, you know, like looking at different things. And
now I gotta go back and lookat that. Now, No, that's
a Bigfoot drawing. I mean,God, I gotta go look at that
again. It is so artistic.It is. I mean, it's like

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you can see their finger are justflowing, you know, and they made
a head and a beak and therewas an eye, little feet, tail,
feathers. It was amazing. Youknow. When I first looked at
it, I was looking at itsideways and I'm like, what the heck
is that? And then I kindof went to you know, I turned

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and went so I was looking ata face on it was like, oh
my god, that's a bird andit's that's one of the most incredible things
that's happened. Just lose my mind. Yeah, I just I'm just surprised
that no one finds things like thatmore often, you know, like I
don't know, I don't know knowthat says they found big foot art.
Besides you, you mentioned that yousaid you were down by. You were

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hiking with your husband at one ofthose lakes and you both saw one,
yes, And we walked really farback into the woods and we were kind
of up on a hill and wewere hearing things running around as like all
around us. We could hear walkingand running and we were hearing vocalizations,

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so we would move, they wouldmove. But we were both looking down
over the hill and we both atthe same time saw something duck behind a
tree. So and that was likewhere the walking and running was coming from.
So, yeah, that was areally exciting day. And I think

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I think it was that same nightor the same Yeah, it was getting
dark, so we left. Wegot down to the road and we heard
the best I think it was ahol and my recorder was on but it
didn't pick it up, but Iwas so disappointed. But oh it was
awesome. So what did you seewhen you when you saw, can you

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describe what you saw in detail more? It was just like a black flash.
It was so fast. People talkabout how fast. I've never seen
one. I've seen him walk andi've heard them run. I know I
know that, I know they canbe fast, but when people see it,
they just they say they can't reallyput it into words, how fast
they move. Mm hmm. Thefirst time, I think I actually got

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my well, my first glimpse,I was I was heading out the back
of the house and Jim went outthe front for some reason and we were
I don't know what we were doing, but he headed out the front.
I headed out the back, andwhen I stepped into the garage, we
have a landing there and there's awindow where you can see the porch,

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the railing and a side yard,and I just saw this black blur run
towards the there's a locust grove likebehind our house running back there. It
was just it was a blur.But I think we startled it. I
think they were out there doing somethingand I came and Jim was coming like,
ah, like faster than it,faster than a horse or faster than

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a deer. It was just ablur, that's what people say. I
mean, it's it's hard to it'shard to picture it. I saw some
video from Australia that this guy claimswas a sasquatch running by so fast,
and then other people say, well, it looks like a bird flying through,
but I can't really tell what itis, but it's so fast,
thing like it has to be abird. But then I asked the other

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people that I said, look atthis that i've seen that I've seen him
run, and say, does doesthis seem like that way you saw could
have gone that fast? And theysaid yeah, And I was like,
oh my god, because I thinkit was a blur in the video.
Yeah. I was taking a walkthrough the woods down on what we call
Creepy Valley because it's so creepy downthere. The family just kind of nicknamed
it that before any of this waseven a thing, this big foot stuff.

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But I was taking a walk downthrough there, recording behind me with
my phone, and when I reviewedit later, I saw something jump from
one tree to another and it endedup being a juvenile. Then it was
it was so fast that I missedit several times. But whenever you see

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it then you couldn't une see it. You know, everybody I would show
it to, they'd be like,what the hell, what the hell is
that because they jump back and seewhat the hell was that? Because it
was so it was just crazy fast. But then when I slowed it down
and went frame by frame and everything, I could see a little head and

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eyes and arms, and it wascrazy. It was really poor quality because
I was using a crappy old cellphone, so not the best, not
the best footage, but it wasthat you can you can see a little
body, there's one still. Itwas really good, see a little head
and eyes and its arm is likereaching out and its other arm is like

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across its chest, just before itstarts to jump. Is that the color?
You guys usually see jet black?Like that. I've had the kids
have seen what they think was agray one. A second hit. Jim's
youngest son and my daughter who's theyoungest, they both saw a gray one.
Was that a bigger one? Ithink the one that Mason saw down

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in the woods he was going throughcreepy valley and he was getting to this
one like really sharp turn, andhe set off in the woods. There
he saw one swaying back and forth. It must have been a bigger one.
It had its back to him,and he said he just he saw
it, and he acted like hedidn't see it, and he just kept

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walking. But that one was gray. And my daughter and her cousin,
she was spending the night. Actuallymy son was out there too. He
was out there first, and Ithink he was smoking or something outside because
we don't allow that in the house. But he said that he was here
in commotion going on along the fenceline that goes down towards the woods,

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and a possum came walking up outof there with the chunk out of its
back like something. He said,it sounded like someone was trying to eat
it. It was screaming, andthen it came up out of there with
the chunk out of its back.So he goes and tells my daughter and
her cousin their cousin to come out, you know, check out what's going

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on. And they took a spotlightand were looking down in the field and
they saw something great. They saidit was too big to be like a
coyote or anything and running too fast, just do that kind of blur thing
running across the field. And thenext day, the two girls and I

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went down in there to look around, and there were footprints all over the
place down there. How big werethe prince? How big of the prince
you usually find? I know,you found some tiny tiny and then like,
what's the what do you usually find? Well, I didn't have a
measure. I didn't even take picturesthat day. I was so upset.
I think I thought it was goingto range, so I didn't want to

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take my phone. But when wecame up out of the woods to the
gate, like from where that possumwas coming from and he heard all that
commotion, there was a footprint rightthere, you see toes and everything.
So I didn't even get a pictureof that. But I didn't measure them.
But they looked, you know,good sized. They're probably fourteen to

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sixteen I would say, oh big, yeah, So the biggest print that
I've seen in our yard was eighteenand a half inches. I found that
because I was I go out andlook around all the time, and there
was a fresh break in one ofour trees at the edge of the yard
about ten feet up, so Iwas checking that out. I came back

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up towards the house and that's whenI saw the I think there were two
eighteen and a half inch prints leadingaway from that break. Well, how
high up was the break? Itwas at least ten feet. Wow.
It's the craziest thing is people willreport seemed like a six foot one or
something or six and a half footone, and then find like sixteen inch

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tracks, and other people say itwas nine foot ten foot tall, and
then we find like twelve or thirteeninch tracks. It's like, I mean,
it just goes to people's estimations areoff a lot of the times.
But I know you guys have anadolescence, then even an infant wanted it
would appear. But one thing Iwas going to say was that the as
far as I can tell, itseems like they're born black and then lighting

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up or do whatever color chains aregoing to do when they get older.
It seems like to me, well, time will tell. But that's one
thing I've it seems like been prettyconsistent. Yeah, I've found hair samples,
and the two that I'm the mostexcited about are they were black like
a curly coarse texture like like clumps. I did find some others that was

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gray, but that's one thing.I I'm working with Legend Meat Science too,
and having like my handprints and someof my samples forensically looked at.
So I'm excited to see the resultsof that. Yeah, and talking about
press, this is what this iswhat's brought you to my attention is that

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you've done the best job of documentingdrumal rich patterns on handprints left on all
over your property, your porch orbarbecue, your cars, windows, house.
I mean, these guys, theseguys are touching everything, and you've
done a great job of documenting it. Thank you. Yeah, I just
I get so excited whenever I findI knew, especially if it's on glass,

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like on the car, because thenI can, like I said,
I was into photography, and I'vegot some really good cameras, like professional
lenses ones, a macro lens that'sgot hybrid stabilization so you can get a
really sharp picture close up. SoI use those to document the prints if

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they're really good like that, Andlike if it's on glass and you shoot,
you know, with the light behindit, it looks almost like a
three D picture of their arm ortheir hand or whatever. It's just so
cool. Yeah, because Cliff's workingwith one of the top germinal rejects for

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some law enforcement in the country andhe's really interested in seeing him. And
I sent Cliff a couple of yourvideos, especially that one where you it's
only like eight minutes I think theeight minute one where you have the baby
the baby footprint and what time ofyear was that, because that thing would
have been close to being a newborn. You want to give us the whole

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rundown on that. I mean,like because it seems like it was being
carried and whatnot. Cold. Youjust give us that whole runnown. I
was one of the day because thatmight give us some insight on when they're
being born, you know, orwe don't know how wise Okay. It
was on August twenty seventh to twentytwenty one when I found and there was,
as I was mentioning, before theycome in our garage a lot and

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this was probably the too. Thiswas the third time that they left really
excellent prints on our car windows,and before that they had left a really
good print the first one on thedoor that goes from the garage out to
the back porch. It was onthe inside of the glass. But it

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seems like see that was in March, and every time I have to go
out and take these pictures in thegarage, it's usually like really hot,
I'm not there, sweating, dripping, was sweat till I'm done. So
it does seem to be like Julyand August. We also had a really

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large handprint. Maybe I'll talk aboutthat later. But what happened with the
really great ones in August twenty twentyone was I just I went out there
and I saw what looked like anotherpalm print on the back window passenger side
or now I'm sorry, back windowdriver's side, and so I started taking

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the pictures of it. And asI go around the car, then on
the front window, on the driver'sside, I found two more like prints.
I didn't know what they were.I thought it was another palm print.
What it actually was was like theinfant's shoulder leaned up against the window

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and if you go then like later, I went around the other side of
the car and on the back windowpassenger side was this beautiful whole arm like
from the elbow up to the fingers. It's like just looking at one of
their arms, and so that's that, and I think they were in the

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garage. It took something that atthat time too, but I think there
was like either the mom or asibling carrying that, maybe because they were
prints. Oh, the other oneon the fo I remember now was a
bent arm that leaned against the window. So there was the shoulder and a
bent arm. There was also abent arm on the body of the car.

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And the first one that I foundthat I thought was a palm print,
actually turned out to be the bottomof a foot. There's just a
little tiny infant foot with the toecurled over, and the detail is just
amazing. I've never seen I don'tthink I've ever seen a picture of details

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of the bottom of one of theirfeet. And there was like some really
strange looking spots on that foot toothat I don't know what it is.
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyondwith Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right
back after these messages. And youdid a great job with the arm,

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the bent elbow and all that,comparing it to a baby chimpanzee being carried
and the like, where the skinskind of you know, more prominent and
less hair, and I mean youlined up almost exactly with what you have.
It was its actually a gorilla.I looked at chimpanzees and gorillas,

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but the gorilla matched almost exactly.And like with the foot, I was
trying to find comparisons for the foot, and when I looked at chimpanzees or
gorillas, it didn't really match.So I had to kind of go to
a baby, a human baby infantfoot, and that looked more like it.

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Yeah, that's not just say justbecause you said it was two and
a half inches about was that whatyou said there? Three? Yeah,
I could probably tell you exactly ifI can look it up here, but
I believe it was about two anda half So that almost I mean,
I could be totally wrong. Itcould just be a runch or something,
but that just sounds almost too smallto be a sasquatch when they're born there,

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you know from what I hear frompeople that have, you know,
been around them, like you know, newborns and stuff, like, they're
quite a bit larger than human babies. Well, actually it wasn't. That
was the size. It's like,wasn't the whole foot and the curled toad,
Like you said, look at thecurled toad like that's also, like,
you know, an attribute of humanand not sasquatch. So it's just

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kind of but how how would thekids flick it on your car? You
know? It's yeah, that's notpossible. Besides, all the other prints
looked like a gorilla or you know, gorilla like, so I'm sure that
that was from an infant. Ohyeah, but it's just I can't wait

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for that the uh, you know, the General Ridge expert, the law
enforcement guy Cliff runs with. Ican't wait to see what he has to
say about about these pictures you took. Yeah, me too. What's the
biggest handprint you found on your property? It was on our trash can,
which we keep well we don't haveit now, but we used to keep

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it between the garage and the frontporch. Yeah, well that's the one.
It's the big hand like it itlooks like it slid sideways and down
like you find the exact same onesomewhere else, like on a barbecue,
right, Is that that's what you'retalking about? Yeah, they are,
like they get this. The tipsalways look kind of like swirled to the
side. Or something. You know. I don't know if it's movement or

(32:50):
if it's how they lay their fingersdown or what. But this was.
I measured it, and it waseleven inches from the tip of the finger
down to where I think, likethe poem rested. It was like wrapped
around the trash can, like fromthe top over the lid, and the
thumb came and excuse me, downfurther. So I measured the best I

(33:15):
couldn't. It was about eleven inchesbig, yeah, and the fingers were
at least an inch thick, youknow. Yeah. I was listening to
some of those stuff that you recordedout there, and I really liked the
It's you know, it's funny becauseyou know you name you name, like

(33:35):
different sound files whatever, and it'sso hard, Like whenever I'm trying to
like classify or quantify big Foot vocalizationsalmost always at a loss. It's like
and there's the obvious roars and shrieksand screams, but like you have Indian
war cry with owl return. Ithought those were really good. Yes,
that was That's one of my favoriteones that they've done. I just I

(34:00):
just love that and they're so clear, and some of them are so close
that it just picked up great,but they'd be like they do the awl
mimic, like I said, AndI've recorded them morphing from either the owl
into that war cry or the riceversa. Yeah, well it was a

(34:21):
war cry and then another individual dida fake owl return call right, yes,
yeah, like back and forth.You've recorded that a few different times,
not just that one night. You'verecorded the war cry with the owl
return right, yes. Yes.Do you have any idea what that means?
Or is it like, is onecloser likely? Is the war cry
closer in the owls further away?Or is there any kind of Sometimes I

(34:44):
like the I think the war crywas a little bit closer than the owl
that time. But yeah, itseems like they're communicating if they're hunting.
Yeah. At first I was listeningto I think it was, uh,
you had impatient owl. I thinkit was impatient owl was the title.
I think that's what it was.But I listening to the first one,
I was like, oh, man, these are all owls. Maybe I

(35:05):
don't know. But then I gotto five, six, seven, eight,
eleven, twelve, thirteen, andfifteen, and the last one they
had like a few of number sixteen, the last one of those, those
to me were awesome, Like tome, those were clearly sasquatched not owls.
Yeah, because like sometimes they'll dothe owl and they'll mess up.
Yeah, I was listening. Iwas I was laughing because you always think

(35:27):
of them being like these like superbeings, and it's like, no,
those things are they mess up justlike anything else. Yeah, it was
hilarious when they do yeah, likewho goofy like that. It's like,
oh, then you have the youhave the the dog one, I thought.
I thought, to me, thatsounded just like a dog. But
then you had the wooz. Ihad two, three, and six written

(35:52):
down as being really good. Thenyou had the singing ones and you can
I mean that was really hard tobe out. It seemed pretty distant,
but it really reminded me of theones that Dave Ellis, you know,
kind of put out there from theOlympic Project in Washington State. But I
could make up what you had titledsinging out very well. But there was
a few that came through. Icould hear pretty good when I put on

(36:12):
the good headphones, and it wasGreg and Donna's out in the Olympic Peninsula
that Dave Ellis had worked with,and he put out some of their We
had it on the show actually,and it's that same sing songing voice.
I mean, it's obviously the samespecies, you know, right. Yeah,
And actually I just talked to DaveEllis on the phone, probably a

(36:35):
couple of weeks ago about Doug highCheck introduced us and we talked and that
was one of the things he wantedto hear. So he said he can
clean up a lot of my files, which would be great because I'm not,
you know, an expert on anaudio. I just put together package.
That's funny. I was just puttingthe other package for Dave of your

(36:58):
stuff. Oh really good good.Yeah. Yeah. I haven't talked with
him since, but Doug giving myphone number and I think we're going to
communicate by email. So I don'tknow what he's listened to or anything yet.
But that was one of the thingshe mentioned. And there was also
a vocal where my husband was sittingon the front porch. I was inside,

(37:22):
and this really like a mournful moaninghow started down in the wood.
It was probably it sounded like afemale and it was it was incredible.
It was one of the most incrediblevocalizations we've heard. And well I didn't
hear it at the time, butI got it on the quarter. But

(37:44):
Jim got a little excited and gotup to come and get me to go
hear it. So the door opensand stuff. But oh also I was
going, man like, it's thebest one, and all of a sudden,
like there was too much emotion andemotion. Dave said he can probably
take care of that, so ohgreat, Yeah, I would love for
him to clean that up, because, oh my goodness, it sounded like

(38:07):
it was in pain or something.It was really upset. And it wasn't
real long after that. I thinkit was a few months. We think
that the Mama Bigfoot died. Well, like I told you about the dolls
earlier that I put out, andthey use those to communicate, like they'll

(38:30):
move them, do certain things withthem, like they'll watch us do something
and they'll mimic it with the likeyou call that role play, Yeah,
they'll role play. And so Igo out one day I had them all
lined up on the railing, youknow, like from the big Daddy the

(38:52):
Mama and then going down in size, and it was turned face down,
and I never They've never done thatbefore. And there was like a series
of events happened, like I thinkI left it the way it was,
and I didn't do anything, likeI didn't take the doll in or anything,

(39:14):
and they had they put it onthe ground, and so I just
kind of was working with them.I believe it was face down. Yeah,
And this went on for like amonth or more, like things happening
with that doll, because like I'dmove it and they would move it somewhere

(39:34):
else, like maybe saying that shedidn't belong there anymore. But one at
one point they took an oak leafand laid it on our tables on the
back porch. Actually I had alittle sign, a wooden sign laying there,
and I had the doll was layingon that for some reason, and
they brought an oak leaf and putit under the Mama doll and you know

(40:00):
what's that supposed to mean? Andthen I don't know, a day or
so later, they brought a littlelike rectangular, flat looking rock and laid
it beside her head with you know, on that leaf. It was it
looked like some kind of a memorial. I don't know, if they were
trying to tell me where she waswhere she died. It got something to

(40:22):
do with an oak tree or youknow, I don't know, but the
whole thing made us think that shehad died, and after that time things
changed. So you know what's reallyinteresting is that a year ago Jim's mom

(40:43):
died whenever she died that same day, she died at like ten o'clock in
the morning, no ten o'clock atnight. And then the next morning I
go out walking around the house andthere's really weird mourning dove sound going on,
and it just it didn't sound exactlylike a normal dove, but I

(41:05):
was like, you know, it'sgotta be but it was really weird.
And then I found the dolls theytook. They took the I took the
mama doll that died. I tookthat one inside, but there was another
like girl, and I put itin the mama's place. So they took

(41:25):
that one and they moved it offof the bench where I kept it.
It was way over, probably fouror five feet from the bench, and
it looked like it looked like theyhad thrown a fit or something. Because
the food basket that I leave hangingfrom the garage. Spouting was ripped down

(41:45):
and broken. The Mama doll was, like I said, moved over and
stuff. So I thought, hmm, you know, it seems like maybe
they're telling us they're upset because hismom died, but you know, you're
not sure percent. Anyways, thenext day, after the first day when
they moved the doll, I wentout there and they did it again.

(42:07):
They took the mom a doll,but this time it was like specifically moved.
I had them lined up on thebench and they took they picked it
up and moved it right beside thebench exactly as it was laying on the
bench, but just laying on theground. And they also had knocked over

(42:29):
a couple of things that were leaningup against the garage, like decorations,
that same day. So I reallyfeel like they were telling us that they
kind of knew what was going onabout his mom dying. Wow, Yeah,
that's amazing you can get that.I mean, you start to get
a feel for these things, Iguess after a while years and years of

(42:51):
dealing with them, you start tokind of see the patterns, and then
when there's something out of the ordinary, it really stands out. Stay tuned
for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliffand Bobo. We'll be right back after
these messages. I was going toask you, do you have a DNA

(43:13):
possible DNA collection kit? I mean, not the kid. Do you have
a collection of things that you suspectto have DNA from a sasquatch on them?
Do you have like multiple things?Yes, that's one of the things
that's getting forensically looked at. I'vecollected some samples their hands where they left
a handprint, that thick residue thatthey leave. Yeah, I've collected that

(43:37):
a couple of times. How longyou have you noticed that it lasts a
really long time? The lot,well, let me see it wasn't the
very last one one of the Januaryof twenty twenty three. They we kept
hearing pounding out by Jim's work van, and Jim's like, what are they
doing hitting my van? I waslike, well, I don't know,

(44:00):
sounded like it. So he wentto work and he's the van was dirty
and he saw one particular smudge onit that wouldn't come off. He pressure
watched it. So I went outand was looking around and I saw it
and I was like, what theheck is that? And at first I

(44:22):
thought it was another palm print.After I took pictures and edited and looked
at it, I could see thatit was the back of a hand like
they they must have been messing around, you know, being ornery or whatever,
and just smacked the back of hisvan with the back of its hand,
and you can see hairs coming outof the hair follicles on the back

(44:45):
of the hand. And I alsolike, I did a comparison with the
gorilla hand and it looks almost exactlylike you can see, like this a
knuckle. There's like some coarse,callous type thing around the knuckle. It's
all documented in a video. Butif they're walking clause repeatedly, then their

(45:08):
knuckles would have to be thick callous. Yeah, yeah, And anyways,
the point I was getting at washeat pressure or watched that and it's still
had that much detail in it thatI could I could see hair follicles or
hairs coming out of the follicles.I wonder, I wonder if that's like,
is that like like a film layerlike that they have on there to

(45:29):
protect them from the cold, LikeI don't I just don't see like the
evolutionary benefit to having leaving this likethick like seb them whatever. Yeah,
that's one theory that Doug Hicheck kindof has that it's uh something that possibly
is protection for their skin. Iguess I think there's something that makes something

(45:51):
it could be. I think Idon't know. I mean, that's the
only thing that makes sense to me. Yeah, and it's obviously thicker,
you know, like when ever Ifind a print like that, A lot
of times I will try to I'lltake my hand to see what kind of
a print I would leave, justmake sure it wasn't me or you know,
something like that, And it doesn'teven come close to the thickness or

(46:15):
the detail or anything that's that theSasquatch hand leaves. Yeah, a lot
of people that tell me that theyget freaked out and they start being on
their house and said, I don'tthink it's an intimidation thing. Most I
think it's they want interaction of somesort of is what it seems like.
I'm talking to people like you overthe years, do you get that sense.

(46:36):
Yes, it's like they kind ofwant to interact, but they don't
want to do it directly. Theydo it indirectly through like through objects,
And that's one thing that has workedfor me is to use those dolls and
objects and they move the objects aroundand communicate like they crave that interaction.

(46:58):
But they have that in born thingwhere they just have to stay hidden ultra
hardwired. Yeah, So getting pastthat barrier of having to stay hidden is
like where I My goal is toget them to trust me enough and for

(47:19):
our interactions and relationship to develop enoughfor they'll actually interact with me directly.
That's where I would like to endup at some point. I don't know
if it will ever happen, butI keep trying. What's been like your
favorite experience? Oh, there's beena lot. Well, actually, it

(47:43):
was one year to the day thatthe interactions started. I went out.
I was working at the time,so it was mourning. Actually, I
don't know if I don't think Iwas working that day, but I went
out checked the porch and they lefta gift. It was a bounce evall,
like one of those kind you geta gumball machine, really colorful.

(48:07):
So when I went to pick itup, I heard a wo come from
the woods where my daughter heard thecommotion that one time and the monkey being
strangled that section of woods, Iheard a wo come from back there was
like a real soft wu and sothat really excited me because you know,

(48:29):
it's like, oh wow, that'snot the first time that they've wooed,
like when I went out to getsomething. But anyways, I thought that's
really great. I picked the ballup. I walked around the yard to
section like that's nearest the woods,but still in our yard, and I

(48:49):
started talking to him and I said, this is this is beautiful. I
love it. I kind of heldit up to my heart like, you
know, like I love it.This is great. And they wooed at
me again in the same tone.It was this real soft woo. And
so I kept talking and I saidto stuff again, and they did it

(49:09):
again, and I was like,oh my god, I think I just
talked to a bigfoot Like he washe was glad that you acknowledged that he
knew the gifts was from Like hewas glad that you acknowledged that that that
ball gift was from him. Yeah, And I don't know if they were
like waiting around to see me findit. You know, you know how
you like to give somebody a giftand you want to watch them open.

(49:31):
Yeah. So it was like,yeah, it was just so special.
I mean, to be able tohave that verbal, actual verbal back and
forth, you know. So thatwas one of my favorites. You can
have a softer tone. I thinkone thing that really put you on the
map was you might've been the firstperson to record a bigfoot fart. Yep,

(49:57):
yeah, there's she has on herYouTube page. There's one that's mart
something. It's a long tile likesomething. Something walked up, messed around,
farted, messed around, and left. I think it's the title.
Yeah, well I think on bigfoot farts. I'm serious. I think
that's what. Yeah, you haveit up there a couple of times.
Yeah. Yeah. There's like along version where you can hear walking up,

(50:19):
messing around, and then there's theshort because people are like, I
just want to hear the fart,you know. Yeah. I listened to
the long version. It's interesting andit made me think that's a that's a
lady like fart that sounds like afemale bigfoot. Yeah. Actually I think
that. I was just talking toJim about this when it first started.
The interactions like sometimes I would findright in front of the railing where they

(50:45):
were standing and messing with stuff.I would find prints and there was like
a thirteen and a half inch therea lot and in the yard, and
then along with it was a likea nine inch. So I think I
just kind of had a feeling waslike the mom and a kid that was
coming up. So I'm wondering ifthe first interactions I had a lot was

(51:07):
maybe with a female, possibly themom. Yeah, it kind of seems
like like just how male the mostof it's been sounds. It sounds like,
yeah, it sounds like you're dealingwith a mom with some young ones.
And there's that whole speculation like arethese big ranging males that have multiple
females in like their territory, arethey monogamous or you know whatever I mean,

(51:29):
But it seems like that there's femaleswith young without a male around at
least part of the time. Yeah. And one thing that Jim and I
we kind of have a theory onit is because like whenever we thought the
mama died and things changed after that, like it's like it got quiet.

(51:50):
They wouldn't vocalize as much. Youknow. It seemed like maybe when she
died there was a replacement for herpossibly, and it made us wonder if
the matriarch is the one that maybemakes the rules, like Okay, you're
gonna have to be quiet, don'tbe so loud, don't make so many

(52:10):
vocalizations, and then the alpha maleis maybe like the enforcer of the rules.
There's a couple of recordings and thenthere's eyewitnesses. There's that famous famous
one on episode five to one fiveon Sasquatch Chronicles on West's show, you
had Claire from England and the thingsstarting up like you know, like freaking

(52:35):
out, like the samurai chatter kindof, and the female got between him
and the and the woman Claire,and like chest I said, like stopped.
There was the one. We ushad another great one on there a
woman in Tennessee. She had abig male sasquatch approaching her in a full
moon and she said it was goingto kill her, like it was just
like just yeah, like enraged,like furious, and the female got in

(52:57):
between and stopped him. And thenthat's what we expect that it's happening on
the Sierra. Sounds that Ron mooreheadrequarterback in the seventies. It sounds like
that the male is chastising a youngone and then the female gets in between
him and is telling the male tolook back off. You know, they
don't go off on this, theyoung the young one. Yeah, that

(53:19):
just it makes sense, doesn't it. Yeah? Was there anything else?
I know? Well, you couldgo on for two weeks. I mean,
is there any main thing that Iskipped or he wanted to say?
Oh? Boy, I don't know. Just there's exciting things coming up with
legend meat science too. I didan interview for like two days. He

(53:39):
sent his crew here and we didan interview. And I'm working on a
book where it's like whenever I firststarted documenting, then, like like I
said, at first it was justpictures. Then I started thinking I got
to write to stuff down, soI started making a written diary. I
kept that for a couple of years, and then I started the channel,

(54:02):
the YouTube channel when I started doingvideos. So I'm doing the book going
clear back to like my childhood andhow everything started for me. And I'm
going through the tentative title of itis getting to Know Bigfoot, and I'm

(54:22):
just kind of going through what I'veexperienced and what I've learned. But from
the point of view that I havenow looking back on it, so I
can kind of put everything together.How do you put an ending on it?
You've got stuff happening continuously. Howdo you wrap it up? That's
what my husband is saying, howare you going to end this thing?

(54:43):
And I'm like, well, it'slike I've learned so much, but there's
so much more to learn. Soit's like you can get to know them,
but I'll have to continue. It'llit's still learning process and I will
continue getting to know them, youknow. So Yeah, and I want

(55:04):
to. I got a lot ofcatching up to do on your channel,
and you're making a huge contribution tothe subject. I'm very impressed. Well,
thank you very much. It's beena lot of work, but it's
worth it. Yeah. Yeah,obviously you're putting a lot of time and
effort into this and we appreciate ita lot. So thank you for coming
on and good luck with the futureresearch. Thank you, Thank you for

(55:27):
having me on. I really enjoyedit. Okay, folks, that was
Angie from snow It Bigfoot. Checkout our YouTube. I'm sure you're going
to check it out now, yougot to. It's great she's got a
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(55:47):
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