Ep. 254 - Q&A - March, 2024

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you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James BuboFay. Hello Cliff, Hello Bobo.
How you doing? Man? Allright? How's it going with you?
Busy as I always am, itseems Bigfoot absorbs most of my time.
As usual. I've done two investigationsthis week alone. One of them turned
up some footprints that ended up beingboots. But I'll be you know,

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as I was, I dropped bythe shop Monday, I had to pick
something up to make one of ourI had to pick up a camera to
complete one of our member videos,the museum member videos. And when I
was here, somebody showed me photographsof a footprints that they had found that
morning out by rhododendron and the snow, you know, and saying, well,
it's kind of blobby and weird,but those might be toes, and

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you know, it is my professionalobligation to follow up on these things at
this point, so I figured itout right, Well, I can take
a little break and go to thewoods. And so I went up there
and it was cold and everything,and long story short, they ended up
being boot marks that you know,the rain dropping from the trees had like
made things that look like toes inthem. Oh yeah, yeah, we've
all followed up on dead ends andthat happens all the time. That's a
common one. The people a lotwho never take that into consideration, the

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drops coming off branches above. Ohyeah. And you know what's interesting about
this one, to me at least, is that the toes indicated that if
it was a sasquatch, which itwas not, it was traveling a certain
direction, but actually the boots weretraveling the opposite direction, you know.
So what was happening was a combinationof the drip drops that we were just

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talking about, and also the heelraising out of the snow pulled out sections
of the snow that kind of suggestedtoes. So that kind of gave the
illusion of toes. Because you know, my saying I should make shirts out
of this to say that the footprintis not the shape of the foot,
it's the shape of the damage underthe ground by the foot. And in
this case, the boot lifting outof the snow brought along some of the

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snow with it and kind of madea toe shape sort of thing. So
did that, and then on Tuesday. I worked the shop every Tuesday,
and some guys came in. Theyspoke to I think Nico the previous Friday
or Saturday when I was not here, and they were asking where should we
go? You know, where's agood spot to go big footing? And
you know, we get that questionkind of a lot. We always send
him up the mountain towards rhododendron atthis one particular location where there's been a

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number of siding reports. And theywent out there and then Monday night they're
sitting around It was about they said, it was fifteen degrees. They're sitting
around a fire they made. Theygot kind of to a certain point in
the road. They're trying to goon up the hill, but they got
to a certain point where they couldn'tgo any further because the snow is too
deep, and so they're just campingthere for the night. And they said,
yeah, we heard the weirdest vocalization. Something yelled out there. And

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it wasn't a scream, It wasa yell, like a mid pitch sort
of yell that started low, thenit like raised up and pitch, and
then it got to a certain placeand then it stayed there and kind of
warble like vibroad oed a little bit, and it had to be at least
five or eight seconds, and thenit dropped down and pitch and turned into
like this gravelly sort of yell likegrowl thing. And I'm thinking, oh,

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dude, there's only one thing thatcould be. And they didn't know
that what they were describing to mewas basically the Ohio. How So we
went out last night to go pokearound in that area in the snow,
and you know how much I lovesnow. Yeah, yeah, not at
all. I thought of you actually, because we're walking through the snow.
It's like, I know, Iwas like, Bobo, what hate this?

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You know? So yeah, Ithought of you last night. You
were with me in spirit. Ohand I guess we did a news piece
last week for the local was aKPT, a local Portland news station.
A guy named Greg Nibler or somethingcame out I can't remember. I don't
know how to pronounce his last name, and i'd be L E R maybe
it's nibbler. I don't know,but i'd say nibler. He came out

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with a camera crew and filmed somestuff last Thursday, I think it was.
But I guess the good news isI got a witness today over on
Larch Mountain. Yeah, he sawone in March a few years ago,
about two years ago. He wasup there at like three am or something
and he just needed some time aloneto clear his head sort of stuff and
having a bad day. So hewent up there and his window was down,

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and he walked around the car alittle bit and sat down in the
car, and then he heard boomboom boom boom boom bo, just something
running up on him. And hegoes, wit, yay, what the
hell is that, you know?And he looks over to the left and
his his headlights were off, buthis ambers were on. And he looks
over to the left and like tenfeet away from his car, there's a

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huge sasquatch standing there with an armup in well here at a big crack,
you know. And he looks overat the where the crack came from
and there's a huge sasquatch standing there. He said it was bigger than Murphy,
and Murphy's seven and a half feettall, so a huge sasquatch standing
there with his arm up on somebranches like looking at him. And you
know, he flipped his lid andgot out of there right away, but

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he got a pretty good look atit as best he could in the amber
light as after his eyes adjusted andstuff. So there's just another mark on
the map man for large mountain.It's a good, good, good area,
all right. So what we're doingmail call today. Yes, we're
doing a Q and A today,which will do about once a month.
And these are all users submitted,like listeners submitted questions. And if you

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would like to ask either Bobo orI or question, feel free to do
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All right, So, mister MattPru, why don't you keep the first
voicemail? Please? I really enjoythe show. I almost feel like I
host it every week. I gota buddy named Jim. He says he
would destroy Bobo in the Sasquatch Chroniclestrivia game. I would destroy him,
Jim, Jim, I will askthe question. My question is will Bobo
return as the reigning champ if aproper challenger is found? Thanks for your

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hard work, guys, I willkeep listening. There's nobody greater than Tony
Merkle out there. Here's the strongestopponent I could ever have. So I'm
retiring the champ. You're not afraid, are you? Bobo? Hell ya
Afred? I'll get smoked now.I don't know. Maybe I'll take him
on, you know it, let'sdo a tag team. Me and Clip
will take on anybody. Oh that'sinteresting, kind of like like who wants

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to be a millionaire, we getto call somebody. Yeah, No,
it's a tag team trivia contest.Do we take turns back and forth?
Or to say I don't know thisone, bobes, it's yours. I
think whoever whoever on the team knowsit answers it. That's pretty tough.
I killed it in Jeopardy last night. It's kind of like kind of like
a pub trivia, right, youknow, our funding big Foot, our

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finding big Foot casting when we wereat the bar. Sometimes when we did
that, when were on the road, we we crushed like good teams.
I am pathetic at that because Ihave so little like cultural knowledge, you
know, the sports and all thatsort of stuff. That's right, I
come in, I know, Iknow. Yeah, you're super strong on
that, you really are. I'mgood on the history. Yeah, I

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got the science stuff and a fewodds and ends and like nerd stuff.
But other than that, I'm kindof useless. Yeah, as long as
it's not like modern music or youknow, any of that kind of stuff.
So yeah, we'll take on anytwo challengers that could qualify. We'll
have the determined qualification later. Butuh, I probably get back to Bigfoot.
Yeah, I think one of thequalifications would be easy to beat,

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so we don't look bad. Well, before we move on, I'm surprised
that you guys didn't pick up onanything in that voicemail that was submitted by
a friend of our. Listen veryclosely when I played again. I really
enjoy the show. I almost feellike I host it every week. I
got a buddy named Jim. Hesays he would destroy Bobo in the Sasquatch

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Chronicles game. I would destroy him, Jim, Jim, I will ask
the question. A friend of theshow submitted that, and is both of
your voices is that me? Doesn't? Does it sound like me? That's
not what I sound like inside myhead. Although Bobo said it sounded like
me, and I thought that wasweird. But I thought that the other
dude behind there, Jim, Ithought that, oh, that guy kind
of sounds like Bobo. That saidthat. I That's what I was afraid.

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I said, that guy sounds likea genius. I don't want to
take that guy on for sending thatin. That was quite funny. That
West girmer yep, like he justsent it to me and he was like,
hey, put this in the Qand A and don't don't tell him,
just catch him off guard with itand see how they respond. And
so I thought you'd be like,wait a minute, whose voice was that?
But instead you're both like just answeringthe question. It didn't sound like

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us, you know, it soundedjust like it didn't sound it sounds kind
of like me. But yeah,anyways, or well, you know,
well, the thing is, youknow, how like you do I really
sound like that? You know,people always ask that when they hear the
record that to me, that's notwhat I sound like to me, you
know, So of course I didn'trecognize, you know, my own voice.

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I enjoyed it, but yeah,we can move on to the decks.
But I thought it was funny.It's funny, well thinking, yeah,
that's of course the Great West fromSasquatch Chronicles. We really appreciate it.
And the fact that he listens,by the way it to me is
just what a kind gesture, andit's kind of humbling in a way.
That's really nice because he's like theking of Bigfoot, you know, podcast

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in every way. So the factthat he listens to us, what are
you doing wasting your time listening tous? Man? I know we got
listeners, but like when people likethat, like when I hear something like
that listens to job, I'm like, no way, really, like if
like we be like someone you're likea Bob shoot where the big where big
foot walks? Oh, Bob Pile, Yeah, Bob Pile. When he

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said you listened to the podcast,I was like, just like jaw drop,
like no way that It makes youkind of self conscious obvious things.
I think, like there's there's actually, you know, some pretty people I
look up to that listen to it, and I'm always like blown away and
they say they listen. Yeah,yeah, you know. Last week I
think I don't know if it wasour bonus or if as a regular episode.

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I got a text, you know, in the evening from doctor Cheryl
and he was and he corrected meabout some pale anthropologies stuff that I said
on the air, and I said, oh, okay, well that's cool,
and he said he would supply mewith some research papers so I can
learn about it and stuff. Isaid, that's great. By the way,
I'm still waiting for it, doctorCheryl. I'm still waiting to get
those papers. But nonetheless, itwas a reminder once again it's like,

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oh, yeah, I forgot that. You know, people actually listen to
this because at the end of theday, you know, I leave the
museum and I go upstairs in themuseum and I talked to Bobo and Matt
for a couple hours. That's that'smy job here. I kind of forget
that other people are actually listening atall. Yeah, it happens. That's
that's good sometimes and not so greatother times. That forget. Yeah,

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yeah, I kind of got towatch your p's and q's. By the
way, what does that stand for? P's and q's, pines and quartz,
pines and quartz. Yes, wellthat's weird. Don't pay for a
court and only get a pint payattention. Oh is that what it's about.
I just made that up. Whywould you? I don't know.
That doesn't make any more sense thanit did before. You know, that's

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a good question for that. Iused to listen to that nerdy show on
the weekends on public radio that Awaywith Words and then go to the entomology
of the history of a word,how it evolved. Oh, that sounds
like a fun show. I likethat. Yeah, I haven't heard in
yours. I did catch this thinggoing around on the internet right now,
and I'm sure I'm going to butcherit, but it says something to the

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effect of people who don't know thedifference between etomology and entomology. Bug me
to the point I have where Ihave no words. I said the right
way I said. I didn't sayentomology, did I? Oh, I
didn't say you did, But itjust reminded me of that saying. And
I thought that was hilarious. That'sa great one. I never heard that
saying that. That's funny. Nowit's perfect. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot

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and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.Will be right back after these messages.
Why don't we hop on the nextquestion there? And thanks Wes, Thank
you Wes. Hi. My nameis Toby. I am from o'campton.
I would just like to ask question. I've heard encounters where people are like

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experiencing things but they can't actually seeit, could like Bigfoot go invisible,
but you still have the feeling.Please use my question and yeah peace.
Hopefully your podcast go viral. Allright, Boby, you want to take
this one. It doesn't seem likely, doesn't make much sense. It's not
the parsimonious answer, But who knows. I mean, it's not likely,

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it's one in a million, Butyou're saying there's a chance. Yeah,
I'm saying, no, no chance. And the reason I say that is
because everything about sasquatches strongly shows thatthey evolved on this planet. You know,
there's nothing that weird about them.And why is it that people that
we have thousands of reports right,and the vast majority of them the sasquatch

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walks away if they could turn invisiblewhen they just blink, you know,
blink and be out, be done, you know, like the evidence is
strongly against that. The only thingthat is for that are some people who
say it might be or that isthat it is true, and people say
all sorts of stuff. There's noreason to think that would be true at
this point. I wouldn't think thatis true of bear or deer or elk

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or mice or any other sort ofmammals, and they all evolved on this
planet too, So I don't thinkso. I guess anything's possible, but
that sure doesn't seem like it's possible. I don't think they do. But
I'm not saying I'm not saying itfor sure they don't. I mean,
I'll hold out judgment until the finalend, but uh yeah, it's I

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mean they're they're super fast. Theyget down on the ground low more than
people realize. They can belly crawllike an alligator, you know, like
fast down with their belly on theground. They're faster than hell on their
feet or on all fours, andthey can climb, and they can jump
incredible distances. And I've just heardsome reports, like reliable ones this this

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thing was jumping on all fours twentyfive thirty feet an elite. They're also
the color of the forests. Well, they blend in so well with the
background, you know, I mean, so in that way, they can
kind of quote unquote turn invisible.But they're not turning invisible. No,
probably not. But there are novibrations and all this and that. I
doubt they can. But until everything'ssettled, I'm saying there's a chance it's

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very very safe of you. Well, that gonna be dumb and dumber and
dumbest, now the three of us, that's that's what you're saying, big
fists might be able to turn invisible. I'm not going there. I'll say
they don't and I'll be I'll besure of that, but you know,
me and man, I'm also nottoo scared about being wrong either, So
and a man, if they couldturn invisible, I guess that would be

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super interesting and I'd be thrilled insome sort of way. I'd be extraordinarily
surprised. I'd be surprised. I'dbe surprised aself they could that, I
would like like faint and practically,you know, just drop because I'm so
shocked. I'd be like, well, that's that's a trip. Yeah,
But I don't think that's it.I don't think that's the go to explanation.
I think that we should look atother things first, like maybe the
person lost sight of them, youknow, I agreed, maybe blended in

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the background, maybe it dropped down, you know. But I don't I
think jump into invisibility or morphing inand out of this dimension or any of
those sort of more like spookier sortof explanations should be ignored. Frankly,
just frankly ignored. Don't pay attentionto them, because they should be the
last resorts after all the other optionshave been dismissed, And oh absolutely,

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I don't think the paranormal community goesto that length. I think that that's
one of their first go tos,like oh they did this, as opposed
to oh maybe I just lost trackof it. Yeah, yeah, for
sure. I think it has todo their quickness and just their their ability
to just blend into their environment.People say they're looking right on, like
I mean, how many times haveyou heard I thought I was looking at
a stump. They'll sometimes wrap themselvesaround a tree and look like a big

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chuck, like a big slab ofburrow or something. You know, I
guess we answered that sufficiently, oryou did, I probably didn't. All
right, what else you got throughit? Hey, guys, this isn't
really a big related question, buton the Washington versus Oregon Finding big Foot
episodes, Matt said, winner getsa steak theater. I like my well
gun, So thank you very much, Team Oreon, And I was just

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wondering, how well done do youguys think steak should be? What is
the perfect way to cook a steak? Because personally, I think Matt should
be imprisoned for saying he likes welldone, but that's just me. But
anyways, thank you for taking myquestion. So of all of Matt Moneymaker's
crimes, he should be for theway he prefers his steaks just teasing.

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No, If he likes it welldone, that's his thing, man,
that's his thing. Boba, howdo you like your steaks? And also
t bone? What's your favorite cut? I like a good t bone.
Oh, of course, I likethem all. I like them all medium
rare. Yeah, I'm a ribbyguy myself, and I go for medium
rare. But I find when Iat if I on a rare occasion that

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I have a steak in a restaurantor something like that, and it is
rare. I mean, they're justtoo pricey and all that stuff. On
the rare occasion, I may ordera steak in a restaurant if I ask
for medium rare, so it comesback more rare than I prefer. So
I generally ask for things medium,and I tend to get it more like
the medium rare that I would definemyself. So that's funny. HMP likes
his extra well done and ketchup smotheringit really jerky kind of yeah. Yeah,

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do you like charcoal jerky like you? He took this girl out to
like a really fancy restaurant, he'snever been to one before, and he
ordered it extra well done and thenwith a bottle of ketchup, and a
chef was offended, the waiter wasoffended. They didn't want to do it,
and he goes, I know whatI like and do what I want,
And so the girl said she wasmortified. And of course HMP for
maybe perhaps some new listeners or something. HMP stands for a heavy metal pat,

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one of Bobo's many friends that haveadjectives associated with their name, and
of course heavy metal patch. HMPwas part of a fining big Foot episode
back in the day when we exploredthe Humboldt area. He was our final
night investigation secret search technique and thenit it got too misty and windy,
like it started storming really hard toput his flowing mane up under his hat,

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which was a huge disappointment because Iwas supposed to be part of the
allure of attracting a squatch was hislustious mane blowing in the breeze, not
just his stellar, exquisite voice.Yeah, so, Bobo, there's something
HMP. I haven't seen him forquite a long time. I hope he's
doing well, but he was yourhair sense for so many years, like
teaching you the intricate delicate balance ofhair, hair products and that sort of

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thing. After you shaved your head. What what happened to h was he
offended in any sort of way thatlike you cut off all your hair or
anything. He was heckling me fora while, and then like two years
ago he cut his into Elvis Pompadourbecause it is famous for years and years.
I mean he had he did theseven layers. He had like feathered

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seven layers, you know, partedin the middle, flowing, and uh,
there's there's a whole there's a wholeregiment with the with the hair,
like uh, when you blow dryit, you gotta take your blow dryer
and swing it around by the cordlike nun Chucks. You gotta do full
nun Chucks moves with it and thencatch it like you throw it. You
sling it and you catch it inother hand. Then you you do a

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couple of head bangs, like throwyour hair back and forth, and then
throw your head back way back andthrow your head way back, and then
you catch it and you're singing itlike it's a mic. And then you
lean back until your hair touches yourcalves. Now you said it's a regiment,
but honestly to me, that soundsmore like what's the right word,
a ritual. Yeah, and theregiment those hot your hair twice a week,

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okay, h O T. Ilearned this from you. I had
no idea what that was because butyou demanded getting them like once a week
on finding Bigfoot, once every otherweek. What is an hot for our
listeners? Hot oil therapy, hotoil therapy and what does that entail?
Surely the get dry hair, startgetting split ends. But my hair was
always thrash like from you know,on the road and stuff. It was.

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It was pretty dry hat a lot. But I have a h OT
when I could get the split endsshrimmed up once in a while. I
remember the first time you dropped hoton me. I didn't know what you
were talking about, of course,but you did it at Walmart. Yeah,
Walmart will do it for you.They have good hot oil therapies.
Yeah. That was like when westarted the show. I doubt we were

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going to go see a Motley Crueconcert an HMP when he'd go get his
hair done at the He ended upmarrying his stylist hairstylist and having a kid
at there at one point. Buthe would bring in his shout out the
Devil album double album, you knowon vinyl and set it up on the
like where the where the mirror is, you know, for the for the
hairdresser, and then he'd say doit like that. Then he had he

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had a nineteen eighty six teen orTiger Beat magazine with an article on Motley
Crue and Nicky six gave their theirhair dye formula. It was like a
mix of one in two or somethingor whatever. The numbers are like really
low numbers. He did mix thoseand that's what Tommy and NICKI got their
hair done that color. So thatwas the color you'd get. Then you'd
get it ho ted and h featherit and blow dry and you'd be rocking

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hot for HMP. Yeah, alot of initials. So it sounds like
a sesame street, you know forfor heavy metal people. It kind of
was. But that's why my hairwas black on Funding Big, because we
did the first one. My hairwas still died that color. I was
thinking like, well that's cool becauseI can just keep it this color when
the show's over. I could justcut it. No it I'll know.

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But then while we were doing theshow, like when we started, my
sideburns were gray, you know,getting like salt and pepper. And then
by the time the show was overand I shaved my head, it was
like seventy five percent turned gray.So I went from like be like when
I started, you know, Ihad like pretty regular brown hair, and
then it by the time so whenI shaved my head again and it grew

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out a little bit, it waslike gray. So the people were like,
whoa, they're a tripping. Iremember I heckled you one time for
for for dyeing your hair. Say, like, Boba, you gotta realize,
you know, like salt and pepperand a man is really attractive and
stuff, You're gonna look great.And you said you should you should not
dye your hair, man, justlet it go. Let it go.
And you said, f you clip, this is the same color as Nicky

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six uses that was a little morehardcore back then. Well, and of
course I just realized, Okay,I'm not going to make fun of your
value system. Hmp, h hmp. We was getting a he was getting
a Nickcky six tattoo. And wewent to this tattoo convention and Nicky six
was there and uh, he alreadyhad the actually already had the tattoo.

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And we went in and Nicky wasthere and fat I got on this autograph
it and then he went over andhad the tattooers autographed Nikki Six's signature.
And there's tattoo of Nicky six onhis forearm. There's a Bob Gimmlin tattoo
just like that out there. Ohis there? Yeah, we had a
picture of it on the on thewall when we heard yeah it's cool,
right, yes, classic, I'veseen two tattoos of me. Nah really

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yeah, yeah, I said,gone squashing under it. And there was
a picture when I was like myall time fattest and I had long hair
and I had my hat on anduh and it just said gone squashing underneath
it. And then the other oneI saw me was kind of like the
same look and look and it uh, it said, uh, the hats
had gone squashed on it and itwas it was it was my face.

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Did you see him in person orjust photographs photographed? No, I saw
one in person. I saw onein person. Was on it was on
both of them were on the person'scalves. They had cows cah. So
many people are used to the theold image of Bobo that even now five
years into the podcast, you know, I post pictures of you guys to

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social media to promote new episodes,especially if it's one that's just the two
of you. And so I postedone and then somebody was like, oh,
Bobo looks different, is he okay? And so I responded and I
said, none, dare relegate Boboto the mere realm of okay. This
man is extraordinary. I said,Bobo stands as a towering monument to the
audacity of the human spirit. Andthe guy immediately replied and said, I

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concur all right, why don't yougive us the next voicemail here and we'll
get into it. Hey, guys, name's Dawn here. I live in
a small town in northern British Columbia. It's pretty remote and we're surrounded in
a lot of bush and a lotof as you say, squatchy stuff actually

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happens around here. I had afew friends that have some pretty upclose sightings,
and I've had a few experiences myselfspending a lot of time out in
the bush hunting and fishing and hikingand this and that. My question is,
if they were to make a majormotion picture about a Sasquatch story,
which story would you like to seerealize? What would you like to see

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made into the next major motion picture? Allah Fire in the Sky or Harry
and Henderson's Thanks love the show.Well, you know, for me,
the first thing that came to mymind was, of course, the Ape
Canyon events. And that's probably becauseyou know, here at the North America
Bigby Center it's Ape Canyon Year.You know, twenty twenty four is the
one hundred year anniversary of those events. Yeah, so we're gonna have Mark,

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Marcella and April talking about it.So my mind right now is all
about Ape Canyon and what a fantasticstory it is, and I think it
would make a great movie. Theinaccessibility of the area like adds such a
level of danger to it. Thefact that the Sasquatch is attacked in retribution
to one of them being killed,I think is a cool story point.
And of course it's commonly used ina bunch of other Bigfoot sort of movies.

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But the fact that the saga isstill ongoing, it's still ongoing today,
you know, like after the eruption, of course everything was lost,
and then Mark rediscovered the cabin site, and and and and the Mitchell's,
all those three gentlemen in their twenties, the great grandsons of one of the
miners, they'd rediscovered the mine shaft. And then of course it's historic photographs

(27:10):
at all surfaced in October. Ithink it was that never before seen.
The fact that the saga is stillongoing adds so much to that story for
me personally, Like I am allabout the Ape Canyon idea. Yeah,
so for me, it'd be onehundred percent Ape Canyon. I think it
would make a fantastic movie with aninteresting sort of you know, a tag

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on the end of it, withall these developments that have happened ever since.
You know, so not only thescary inside the cabin getting attacked and
all that jazz, but the historicalfollow ups I think are super so SMU,
what about the what about the preencounter? All the paranormal stuff they
reported? What are you gonna doabout that cliff? I'm gonna ignore it
because fred Beck was a spiritualist,and he was none of those none of

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the paranormal aspects of the story werehoarded at the time to the newspapers,
even by fred Beck himself. Itwas only years and years and years later
after he became involved in that sortof spirituality thing that was kind of all
the rage at the time that allthat stuff started surfacing, and you know,
with the UFOs and all that otherstuff. None of the other miners

(28:19):
ever reported anything like that, andall the original newspapers never reported anything like
that as well, not even whenthey interviewed fred Beck about it. So
I think all that stuff was madeup later because fred Beck was well known
to be kind of a i'm notsure what the word would be, prone
to flights of fancy in various waysand all that sort of stuff. Not

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necessarily making things up in a RayWallace sort of hoaxing way, but he
would take very unusual perspectives on alot of things. So I don't think
any of that stuff happened. Ithink it just got introduced into his book
later because he became interested in spiritualismat some point, and I think it
strongly affected his person option of theevents upon later recollection. Yeah, for

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me, it'd be it'd be aken obviously is one of the one of
the top you know ones that popsthe minor right off the bat and then
the check Co River Engine Devil massacre, that would be that would be awesome
because there's elements of that. ButI also think uh uh, and of
course the kidnapping of William Rowe upin British Columbia that that would be just

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But that would be hard because you'dhave to have it be a lot of
well, I guess if it's amajor, major motion picture budget would be
a problem in c g I,so cheap you have to do, you
know, a lot of c gI to do the Family of Bigfoots.
But I think I think it wouldbe a really great one. And I
can't believe it has not been done. It's just unbelievable it hasn't been done
at all. Would be Roger andBob, phil and Pattick, because you

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got the whole Baxter and those guys, rodeo stars, Gimlin's whole boxing career,
Roger all of Roger was a fascinatingguy, the all to alvi attlee
and possible mob money sponsoring all this, and there's so many there's so many
angles you could take and we youknow, we know, I mean,

(30:10):
those guys were there. There's stilla lot of people alive, I mean
Bottle still alive. And then there'stons of people alive that knew Roger really
well. So I mean, it'snot kind of like a canyon where none
of us really knew any of theprinciples involved, you know, And I
think I think that I think that'dbe a great one. Also, I
would like to offer a runner upoption for a good story though it's a
biography of Bobo. I think thatwould be fantastic because you know, your

(30:33):
story is so your life story.You know, when when we listen to
a good Bobo story time, it'slike, how could this possibly have happened?
Pad life choices and concussions, alot of concussions. To take those
stories and lay them in the handsof professional storytellers from Hollywood, I think

(30:56):
it could be fantastic. But whatever, I'm not going to watch it anyway,
it's TV. I know you are. I'm not a fan of either.
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyondwith Cliff and Bobo. Will be
right back after these messages, allright, What else regard Hello to the

(31:19):
Bigfoot and Beyond team. Thank youCliff, Bobo and Matt or Ready great
podcast. I've got two questions thatrelate to the more disturbing behavior of big
so from Native American legends. We'veheard stories of Bigfoot coming down from the
mortains and stealing women. Have therebeen any comparably modern reports that you've heard

(31:41):
of of such behavior. Second questionrelates to the behavior of Bigfoot around children.
I've heard reports of Bigfoot appearing tochildren and seemingly beckoning them into the
woods. Also, there are reportsof Bigfoot steering into children's bedrooms from the
windows. What are we to makeof such behavior? Anyway, I looked
forward to your thoughts. Thanks againfrom Aiden. We've talked about that so

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many times. I mean I've talkedabout this with numerous numerous people, especially
the Native Americans, and I meantraditionally, Yeah, they have snatched children,
and especially in the northern areas likeAlaska and other British Columbia Northwest territories,
the Yukon territories up there, there'sa much more long history of that.

(32:29):
It seemed to be when there wasreally really bad like famine conditions for
the animals, like after maybe consecutiveharsh winners, and you know, like
a lot of die off and they'rethey're desperate, you know. And yeah,
I heard a report a couple ofyears ago some other investigator had it,
like the one of the last onesI heard that was for sure was

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a in the in the early forties, there were still Native Americans in the
mountains of Nevada up in northern Nevadathat had or central North Nevada had They
were teepees, and there was thewhole family saw this hairy arm reaching there
was a crying baby and reaching itwas feeling for the baby, and someone
hit it with a hatchet or somethingand the hand drew back and screamed.

(33:15):
But it traditionally happened. But Imean, just in twenty twelve, we
were in Alaska. I was withMatt and you were with Renee. We
split up in two teams and wewere at the hotel in Fairbanks. We
met two Indigenous police officers and theseguys can they recognized they recognized us and
started talking to us and we wereand they were just saying like, yeah,

(33:37):
they had just come back from thecase of a toddler that was snatched
by a squatch up outside of NorthPole, not the North Pole like you
know, Santa Claus. It's acity in Alaska, up above the Arctic
Circle. And it snatched the kidand people took off chasing it. It

(33:57):
took off into the lake and wascrossing the holding the kid, and the
people from the village charged around thelake, and you know, everyone was
on their CBS and walking, youknow, radio saying, hey, there's
kids snatched. There's a hairy mangoing through the going through the lake with
the kid. And they got there, they're about to they're gonna intersect there.
They're gonna probably cut it off.It was good. It was real

(34:21):
close, so they're gonna be ableto cut it off or not. And
the bigfoot reached the shore and justdropped the kid and sprint it up into
the into the woods and took offand just left the kid there and then
they let it take off. Andthen they were saying that there was another
case of a missing kid, atoddler who got snatched by one, and
uh, they never found anything.There's definitely cases. It seems to be

(34:43):
almost always in the north. Youknow, the more north you go,
where their conditions are a lot Harsher. Yeah, I mean chimpanzees in Africa
steal African kids from villages and eatthem, you know, to this day.
I mean, so it's it wouldn'tbe that, it wouldn't be that
far fetched that what about stealing women. Yeah, well, I mean like
we had Ameron on here like Godlike episode five or six or something way

(35:06):
back one of the first twenty.He's a native at the Basket, Indiana
up from the Yukon up by RubyGalina area to look on the map,
and that his I talked to hisgrandma. Everyone in the village knew this
story. In World War two,like forty two or forty three, they
were down picking berries off, youknow. They went up on a gravel

(35:30):
bar and there was the berry bushesgrowing up there along the river bank,
and they were picking and then allof a sudden, they just heard this
scream. His grandma and another woman. They were teenage, late late teens,
mid to late teens. There wasthree of them and they heard when
their one friends screaming, and theyjust heard boom boom, boom boom,
like heavy heavy football is going acrossthe gravel. And there was like fifteen

(35:52):
sixteen inch print inch print tracks ofthis thing running like ten foot stride whatever
takes off, you know, ofthe you know the woods and disappears with
the with the girl. A yearlater, the South, the saus cultures,
they think it was the same.They're positive it was the same one.
It was a lone rogue mail andit came their fish camp was getting

(36:16):
the fish camps the big smokehouse thatseveral families were using. You know,
they had the smokehouse going and justbefore electricity or anything out there, and
back then, like there really wasn'tflashlights were a joke, you know,
you didn't. They didn't really workvery well at all. And they couldn't
get batteries, so you know thoseold batteries and stuff for those things,

(36:37):
they burnt. You could burn througha battery pack, you know, two
a night or something. So theydidn't have They have to make torches if
they wanted any light. So theytheir their fish house was getting raided.
So they dug a deep pit infront of the smokehouse, covered it with
blankets and sprinkled like dirt and gravelover it and went to bed. Well
in the in the middle of thenight, they heard, you know,

(36:59):
shrieking and it sounded like there wasa wow, hairy man caught down in
the in the because it's not likea woman being murdered, like screaming like
a woman murdered. They you know, got they had torches ready. They
lit the torches and came out andlooking down and it was that girl that
had been kidnapped like I think nineor ten months earlier. And she was

(37:21):
naked except for she had on scrapsof animal hide and I guess she had
you know, tried to. Iguess the sound squads had given her deer
you know, and she you know, tanned it and did is good,
I guess. But she wasn't like, you know, a real expert at
making the clothes. And she didjust get well she could, so she
had you know, not not likereal nice. You watch a movie or

(37:45):
something, see a Native American dressedin buckskins. You know it's all kind
of tailored, you know, sortof the fit some you know, it
looks like regular clothes. But thisthis wasn't like that. It was like
just you know, real like slappedtogether. And she they had to keep
her in a cage for a year. She was like a wild animal for
like a year and she finally out. She had severe PTS and she she'd

(38:07):
make animal noises and make sasquatch sounds, and then they let her out and
she just was like a mute.She just almost never spoke. She would
never say anything about what happened toher. I guess she'd get some simple
nose or yeses or head nods,but she was just shell shocked the rest
of her life. And she onlydied like she was alive. When I

(38:28):
when I met Ameron, and Iwas like, anyone I can talk to
her? Like, no, dude, she doesn't talk to anybody. You
know, she's not going to talkto you. And but I spoke to
his grandmother and she she was there. She told the story. So I
thought that was pretty interesting. Well, yeah, that's some pretty nutty stuff.
Yeah, that's and I don't meannutty like like totally can't happen.

(38:50):
I'm just saying that's pretty crazy stuff, man. But I did get a
call. This is a long timeago. And Tom Steinberg he also,
I know he got He got thesame call, and I think John Green
did as well. I'm pretty sure. But they called. I don't know
why they called me. I thinkit's just because I've been on Monster Quest
or something or no Outdoor Life nowit was. It was wrapped to the

(39:12):
olm with Moneymaker came out and whenwe did that Mysterious Encounter show, I
got a call from a MOUNTI whowas there inquiring They were looking into a
disappearance of children of the age ofI can't remember how old, but there
had been like seven, eight nine. They suspected of this. They thought
it was like a serial killer sasquatchin lower BC or lower to mid BC,

(39:37):
that was snatching children. And Iremember the one thing he was talking
about that just happened that they saidthat made them serious about when people were
reported they thought it was a hairyman because it was dudent to I think
mostly all Native kids. Maybe oneor two that wasn't, but they were
doing it to the indigenous communities.They assumed it was the same one because
they got footprints. They got reallygood footprints of it. When there were

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the toddlers, like kids like sixand under, six seven and under,
like several of them were playing ina really shallow part of the river were
kind of like you know, likea side branch, and it was you
know, nice smooth gravel only likefour to eight inches deep, and they'd
let the little kids play in thereand stuff, and there was no adult

(40:20):
looking directly over them, but theywere very close by, like you know,
just right there, and they justheard fast running the kids scream and
then like really scream, and thenit snatched up a little boy and ran
off. And it always took littleboys. It never took the girls.
Everyone. Every time it would bea boy, even if there was like
a couple of girls, and likeone boy, it would snatch the boy

(40:43):
and run off. And they neverfound any of those kids. Is there
any record of this stuff anywhere?Or is it just kind of ignored or
what would happened all? Then?Yeah? I think there was. I
can't remember. I think it wasfreight just looked into it. I couldn't
find much I remember for it backa long time ago, because I was
like twenty, yeah, over twentyyears ago. And then I always wondered,

(41:06):
like was it some kind of likelike prank, but like it never
surfaced like it as a prank,and like it sounded like the guy sounded
all official. I got called fromhim twice and one time I talked to
him for quite a long time.He just asked me, like, what
did I know about bigfoots in theiraggressive levels? And you know this and
that and that. I said,well, you got these, you got
the indigenous people that lived there tellingyou what's going on with them. I
go, I don't know why myopinion would matter at all, and the

(41:28):
slightest but I guess they just sawme on TV and called me. But
there's but then as far as them, yeah, there's dozens. I've heard
dozens and dozens accounts of people sayingwhen there were children, they remember them
motioning them like han gesturing like motionthem come out, come out, come
out. And then there's that storythat came out pretty You might know this
one. The woman down in Georgia, I think it was, said she

(41:51):
used to it would come to thewindow and take her. It would actually
reach it and take her out ofher crib, and for several years she
would be taken out and she'd they'dtake her out into the woods and play
with like one or two little toddlerbigfoot. I think it was one other
that I think there was just onetoddler bigfoot. And she looked back on
it, she thought that and shesaid she'd get in trouble because her pressures

(42:12):
were like why do you smell?Like, what's this reeking odor on?
You're like, what's going on?And shed the parents come get her out
of and you know, get herup in the morning, and she'd be
all dirty and you know, twigsand leaves in her hair, and she
just stinked like she got sprayed bya skunk or something or rolled with a
bear, you know, and youknow, just like just this god awful

(42:34):
smell. Then she claims that thefemale bigfoot that would come take her out
of out of her bedroom winter.This went on for several years, and
she said it took her to thetook her to a cave. I don't
know. I I'm not saying thisas her like she's not crazy, but
this is what I heard. Thestory was that it would take her out

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and that when they took her toa cave and there was other adult bigfoots
there and they buried a baby bigfootand the female was like moaning and like
you know, kind of crying whatever, and held her like super tight,
like uncint like she's or she feltlike almost in danger. It was hugging
her so tight and like just claspingher to her And that was back in

(43:17):
the sixties, and this she cameout, She came out publicly in the
eighties about what happened to her.There's a few other stories where kids say
they have gone out and played withsmaller bigfoots of an adult watching. So,
I mean, I don't know,you know, it's it's like I
definitely wouldn't. I would not.I'd be super careful my kids are around,
and that's for sure. I wouldn't. I wouldn't trusted with a young

(43:37):
child. No. Yeah, Ithink that story was in Tom Powell's book
The Locals. If I'm not mistakenthat there's like a written, maybe first
hand account from that claimant that wassent to Tom as a letter or an
email or something, or maybe conductedfor an interview. I'll have to look
back and see stay tuned for moreBigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo will

(43:58):
be right back after these messages.It just seems like that's a sort of
universal fear that is associated with theunknown as such, and so you can
find beliefs. I mean, Ifound many references writing the book that tigers
would abduct human women and children,and abduct human women for their quote unquote

(44:22):
wives, and the same beliefs associatedwith bears, and the same beliefs associated
with gorillas. And then if youlook at the category of various imagistic or
symbolic or characteristic representations of what youcould reasonably consider to be like variations of
the archetypal wild man, fawns,satyrs, centaurs, etc. Those same

(44:43):
beliefs are all associated with them.It's almost like a universal human cognitive disposition,
like a universal human fear. Andso it makes sense to me that
of course people would have those samefears about other animals, and that they
would likely have them about sasquatches.And then, as you pointed out,
I know Owen he had made areference to chimpanzees absconding with human infants,

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and so it's not unprecedented in theape world for such things to occur.
But you know, I think tothe to the point of the question,
like there are traditional representations or folkloricrepresentations or beliefs that describe this as a
characteristic of their behavior, but therereally aren't that many modern accounts that you
could associate with like specific names andplaces, like we've all heard those kind

(45:27):
of stories, but it's not likewe can produce those witnesses on demand,
so it makes it a little bitdifficult. Of like, you know,
we can name Albert Osman who madea claim about being abducted, but otherwise
there's always stories about places and people, but yet like we don't have their
names or we can't track those thingsdown or any official records. And so
well we have the little Boy.The little boy got kidnapped, like episode

(45:51):
three or four or one or twowhatever, one of our first episodes.
A little boy that disappeared in NorthCarolina, three nights below freezing sematars were
on like sharks and a T shirt. It says a bear Man, Harry
Bearman, held him and kept aMormon night inside of a cave. And
then you know that whole thing.O, there's that little kid that got
rescued by the Coast Guard helopter thermalimagure and the biggest thing they ever saw

(46:14):
in thermal The little boy down andtook off back into the woods and he's
set up right in front of thesearchers were heading towards. Put the little
boy down and ran off. Yeah, it's tricky, I mean, the
North Carolina kids said that he spentthe night with a bear, so he
didn't say bear man or anything ofthat nature. And then, you know
what was interesting. I remember whenwe recorded that episode, I was looking
at a lot of news articles andhe kept saying things like or the family

(46:37):
speaking on his behalf, or like, oh, all he keeps talking about
is how he wants to watch hisfavorite Netflix show. You know, now
that he's home and safe, hewants to watch Netflix. And so when
I pulled up like one of themost popular Netflix shows, like the number
one kids show was something like Mishaand the Bear, And so I was
like, well, is it possiblethat there's some influence, like some media

(46:59):
influence and storytelling or because I thinkit was the aunt who gave the quote
to the media that like, oh, he said he spent the time with
a bear or something of that nature. So it's hard to say, but
yeah, he didn't necessarily or eventhe family didn't necessarily categorize it as like
a bear man or something like that. But it's an interesting case. And
if you remember, we also coveredI found an historic case supposedly of you

(47:22):
know, a wild man. Ithink they called it like a nondescript,
which is pretty funny but basically describingsome ape like creature abducting children very close
by where that happened. So thosestories do exist, but in terms of
like the modern day, modern era, like can we find someone who's made
such a claim? You know,it's specifically could we sit down that person

(47:43):
versus you know, oh, well, such and such claim that they heard
from such and such in this unnamedtown that these sort of things occurred.
It's kind of like the claim FredBradshaw made that his dad told him that
he saw a helicopter carrying you know, with a net hangar under it in
the aftermath of Mount Saint Helens witha hairy arm and a hairy leg sticking

(48:04):
out. You know, there's oneclaimant who claims that he heard that from
his father. No one interviewed hisfather. And then nowadays I see it
all the time all over the Internetand the comment section and questions that we
receive people saying things like, oh, well, you know, dozens or
hundreds of people saw helicopters carting offsasquatch bodies from Mount Saint Helens, and

(48:25):
it's like that's not you track downthe origins of that story, and it's
just a single claimant that we canidentify who also made some other outlandish claims,
let's say. So that's where whereI find difficulty, Like, it's
certainly possible that any wild animal isopportunistic and would do whatever it needs to

(48:45):
do to sustain itself, even ifthat means absconding with a human or you
know, a young human of amore helpless human. But it's just hard
to say like, oh, yes, well we can pin such a story
on this named witness at this namedlocation, on this named date, because
those things seem to be pretty elusive. Yeah, I feel I'm embarrassed now.

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I just did the ultimate, notultimate, but a cardinal sin of
bigfooting. I injected in bear Man, you know, like Simming's not can
was in my head and it wasn'tset at all. So that's how rumors
get started. It is all good. Thank you for correcting me, Matt.
They're lucky to have two people thatyou can correct frequently. All right,

(49:30):
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