Ep. 256 - Bald Hills Bigfoots!

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James boogle Fay. Hello, folks, you got a special show for you
today. I got some good friendson Rachel and Amy and they both had
similar encounters with a sasquatch and Rachelwas actually on the same dirt road logging
road I was on when I hadmy first sighting. I heard about Amy's
first. Let's start with you,Amy, tell us where you were,

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where you were going, and youknow the lighting conditions, what you were
driving, the all the all therelevant information. Okay. Yeah. So
at the time I was helping outmy ex boyfriend were not together anymore.
Pete, I'll just say his nameis Pete, that's it. He had

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several properties in Humboldt, and Iwould go and help him, like assist
him with supplies. He was doingcultivation at his various spots, and I
went out to the northern part ofHumboldt. He would go to southern Humbolt,

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which is where some of his otherproperties were. And I lived in
Trinidad at the time, so andI had a child, so it was
more convenient, more convenient for meto take a northern route, so I
would go out towards bald Hills Road. He had one property on bald Hills
Road close to which apec and thenthe other spot near there was off of

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Johnson Road, or on Johnson Road, i should say. And so I
had gone out to bald Hills Road, the one further out first, and
then I went to the second spot. I was delivering you know, supplies
like groceries and gas and stuff likethat, and that particular spot on Johnson

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Road, which is near the firestation near like Lady Bird Johnson. I
went out there and it was aroundI would say dinner time. Actually it
was before that, but when Iwas leaving there, it was around dusk.
And so, you know Johnson Roadoff of bald Hills Road, dusk

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time. It was like August maybenineteen ninety nine, maybe two thousand,
it was around that time. Iyou know, I was just doing errands.
I was helping my boyfriend at thetime, and I had been out
there dropped off some things and Iwas leaving there. There's a at the

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time. I don't know if it'sstill the case, but at the time,
there was some gates that was likeI remember which company it was.
I want to say it was likeGreen Diamond, but I don't think that's
right. I think it was somebodyelse at the time. And so we
had a it was there was twolock gates to get out to the property

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and we had a key obviously toget to where we need to go.
And I was on my way home, which was Trinidadad at the time,
and so I was leaving that spoton Johnson Road, and I had my
dog. I had a I hadtwo dogs at the time, but I

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used to always take a dog withme to go out out to the I
mean to I out to a ruralspot. I always used to take one
of the dogs with me. Andat the time, I had our female
dog. She was an American bulldog, really good guard dog. She you

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know, she was the type ofdog that if people used to come over
to visit, we would have tolike put her inside or put her somewhere
else. She was scary. Shewas a little scary and she didn't like
people coming up on the car.She was very protective of our truck.
She was a good guard dog.She would chase bear, she'd chase mountain

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lions. She was kind of ascary dog like Froshe's dog, good guard
dog. And so she was withme that day and when we were leaving
the Johnson Road property, she startedbarking like a I didn't really understand,
like she was not a barking typedog. She was more like about growling,

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like aggressive dog. And so shewas barking in the truck and I
just thought maybe there was a cowor an elk or you know, something
that she was smelling. And shecontinued to do that for a while,
and I just kind of tried toignore it. I wasn't really paying that
much attention to it because she's likethat, she's a guard dog. And

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so when I was going to thefirst gate that I would go through to
leave the property that i'd just beenat two lock gates, it got a
little bit more intense. I wouldsay definitely had me on alert. I
was like, what's going on thedogs? Was she looking at in one
particular position? Was she looking inone direction? She was being very aggressive

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in my car, and I didn'tknow why. I just thought, like
I said, I thought it waslike she smelled like something, you know.
And so when we got to thefirst gate, the first lock gate
my dog, I opened the doorfor her to get out with me to

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unlock the gate, and she wasn'tcoming out of the car. And I
thought that was really strange. AndI remember being like a little bit afraid,
not like overly afraid, but Ishe wouldn't come, so I like
put my leash on her. Iput it on her collar, and I

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kind of pulled her out with meand we went over and locked the gate.
The dog was acting strange again,like she didn't she like got away
from me and ran and got backin the car, very unlike my dog.
And I unlocked the gate, Igot back in my truck and I
drove through. I got back outto lock it back up, and the

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dog was I couldn't get the dogto come out, even if I put
the leash on her. I wastrying to pour out. She wasn't coming.
She had her tail between her legs, she was shivering. She maybe
even like Peede like my dogs.Neither one of my dogs would ever pee
in the house or in my car, especially so the dog alerted me that

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there was something wrong. I willsay that I was on high alert when
all of this was happening, becauseeven still to this day, Bobo,
and I've told you this already,like I don't fully believe in it.
I don't disbelieve in it. Butand I don't know what I saw exactly.
I don't know. I can't say, yeah, I saw bigfoot,

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that's exactly what it was. Ican't really say that because it happened so
quickly, and these things were likeheightened. There was like this heightened awareness
going on, you know. Butit was scary. It's definitely, like
the scariest thing that's ever happened tome was when my dog was acting like
that. And then when I gotback in my truck and I was between

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the two lock gates, I sawsomething to the left of my truck.
It was very tall. It hadglowing eyes, but it was dusk.
I will say it was dusk.Any animal's eyes glow like that, right?
What color? What color are theeyes? Amber? Like a like

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a yellowish brownish amber color. Whateverit was. When it saw me notice
it, it started backing up.It recognized that I saw it, and
it started backing up further away fromwhere I was, and it was really

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tall. It reminded me of awhat's the type of monkey that is orange?
Is that an orangutan? I'm notreally sure it was, but it
was a very tall version of that. It was not a bear. It
wasn't anything I've ever seen before.It was it was like as tall as

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the lowest branch of the tree,which was a tall tree. I would
say, I would say, youknow, seven feet tall. If I
had to guess, it would bethat tall. And again, like I
said, the amber glowing ice sayingit, I think it was maybe you
know, it was dusk, soI don't know. It was just all
different factors. But the weirdest partabout it was the dog, my dog,

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the way she was acting, andalso too, the way that the
like the whatever I saw when itsaw me notice it and like see it
it. The way it responded wasodd to me, Like it wasn't like
a normal animal response. I wouldsay, but I didn't like take very

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much time to look at the animalor like responded. The more I like,
instead of like getting out and unlockedthe second gate, I floored my
truck and I ran through the secondgate so I wouldn't have to stop and
get out, and I drove backto Trinidad with a wrecked vehicle and a

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breaked out a dog in my car. It was very traumatic, I would
say. I mean we were both, you know, just railing from that.
And I remember at the time myex boyfriend now he was very upset
that I had wrecked the truck.He didn't want to believe that maybe I

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saw Bigfoot. I remember telling him, like, I think I might have
solved Bigfoot. He wasn't really youknow, feeling that at the time.
And I remember that I was like, I'm going to reach out to my
friend, which was you, whichwas way before you ever started your show
or any of that stuff. Wasreally long time ago go and I remember

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you were the one that like kindof talked me through it and asked me
questions and they were all relevant,and you know, it made me feel
like less crazy, I would say, not that I feel like I'm a
crazy person, It just, youknow, it just felt more like,
yeah, that maybe that that waswhat it was. You know, what

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did you say too, that whenyou were driving your dog was freaking out
like she'd be pointed like like youcould. Her head was following whatever it
was you thought that was running,likely alongside my dog. I didn't know
what was going on until I sawit. I mean, my dog definitely
alerted me and made me like morehyper vigilant. I would say my dog

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was what alerted if my dog hadn'tbeen in the car, but bo,
I don't know, like I wouldhave never even known that that that was
happening. The dog was like wentfrom like a weird like bart cry to
like a howling to like almost likepissing herself in the truck. She was

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terrified. And the dog was anot really dog guard dog, but her
head was like following. She waslike looking specifically like she was tracking it.
I thought, yeah, my dogwas definitely on high alert and definitely
like gave me all the cues andstuff that. I mean, she didn't
see what I saw. I meanshe might have say, alway, I

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saw too. I don't know,I mean it's a dog, but I
remember, like my dog definitely putme on to like being like, what
there's something going on? Like Ijust thought maybe it was like a wolf
or something that like my dog hadnever encountered. Before the way that she
was acting, she was terrified.You know. I go back and forth

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like I know what I saw andI know how it felt and how scary
it was. But I I goback and forth to being like, well,
maybe my dog is what scared me, and I like, you know,
like I didn't imagine that. Iknow that that's not true, but
it definitely made me more aware.That makes sense. Had she not been

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with me, I don't know whatwould have happened. I mean I was
between two locked gates when I sawthat thing, whatever it was, and
if my dog hadn't alerted me tothat, who knows what would have happened,
is what I think to myself.Honestly, stay tuned for more Bigfoot

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and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo willbe right back after these messages. How
far was it from you? Itwasn't really that far. It was like
I was in between two gates andthe thing was in the tree line,
and as soon as the thing sawthat I that I saw it is when

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it started to retreat. And ifI hadn't noticed it, would it would
it have as retreated? I mean, I go back and forth all the
time, like what would have reallyhappened. If my dog hadn't alerted me,
I wouldn't even been looking for something, you know, Like I was
that my dog keyed me in itthat there was something wrong, and I

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saw something that I've never seen before. It's like something that you would see
in a nightmare. Can you describeanything else, like the shape of the
head or with the shoulders, Like, what else did you see? Like
length of hair? Was it longerin any spots, or lighter color or
darker color than any spots. Itwas like a reddish brown color. It
had longer, like longish hair.It wasn't short haired like I have a

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short haired cat and I've been justrecently caring for my friend's cats. They're
long haircuts. This thing had longhair. It was a longer It was
like a reddish brown color. Thething was tall. It was like I
mean, I'm guessing seven at leastseven feet, if not taller than that.

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I mean, it could have evenbeen ten feet. I don't know.
It happened so fast, but itreminded me of a monkey, like
a not a monkey, but likea orangutang with that color, the color
and the shape of it. Ithad long arms, it was really tall,

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it had very broad shoulders, andit was it wasn't like it wasn't
like anything I've ever seen before.I've never seen anything like that before.
I can't. That's why it's hardfor me to describe it. Did you
get more of the impression it waslike more like a human or more like
an animal. For the look itwas, we were like a human,

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but it was also very much likean animal. It was like a very
good cross. I would say,I can't wait to hear the other story.
I want to hear Rachel's story.I have questions for you, though,
because I was also on Johnson Road, so I'm curious, like where
on Johnson's were you? Like atwhat mile marker? All I can tell

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you. I can't tell you onmy own marker, but I can tell
you that the property that I wasout was on a really nice creek.
It wasn't the Klamath, but itwas like a tributary to that. I
think it was meta. I wasgoing to say it's probably meta creek.
Yeah, yeah, and then Ithink so too. I mean, I

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would have to ask him, butI felt like when I was at his
property, it was like I'd neverthat nobody in the whole world had ever
been to where I was at.It was so it felt so pristine and
untouched and just beautiful. And Ifelt a lot of really good vibes there,
and we had a little yurt.It was like he was trying not

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to like really like touch the landand like build it up and do any
kind of like construction there that wouldlike disrupt anything we were trying to be
and it was just felt like areally sacred space, way more than his
other spot, which but but you'vebeen to the other spot, which is

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more closer to Wichipec. Yeah,you know, leaving that spot and like
being so scared that was weird forme because I always really enjoyed being out
there. And I'll tell you Inever went back out to that spot again
after that happened to me. Inever went to either of those places after
that happened. It definitely was somethingthat it gave me a really bad anxiety

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about going out there again. AndI never felt that but that way before,
and I had been going out therefor like, you know, by
to seven years. I would say, Yeah, I mean I've been going
out there my whole life. Mygraam was born out there, our family
properties down like thirteen miles down Johnson'sRoad, almost about a mile up from

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the Riffle. So my whole Imean, I get what you're saying,
Like going out there makes me happy, right, but it's like homecoming.
But also I think, I thinkit's really interesting because you know, I
grew up with stories about Bigfoot orGraham would call them the old people,
you know. For the listeners,I was just gonna say, Rachel's a
member of the Eurok tribe. ActuallyI'm a Euruq person enrolled at the Trinidad

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Rancheria. Oh okay, I'm sorry, that's okay. We can talk to
tribal politics another show, maybe anothershow. But yeah, I'm a I'm
a York person. I grew up, you know, out here own.
But this family property, uh isabove the village of Yacht, so it

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has been. It was my greatgreat grandmother's land and then inherited, uh
you know, through the generation.So my grandma had a piece and the
cousins had pieces up top. Myuncle actually his place was out more toward
Meta. So I just I felt, you know, I felt real familiar

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with that land out there. ButI would tell you now, since it's
been so long since you've been outthere, Amy, you would hardly recognize
it because they've done a lot oflogging. But yeah, like I don't
know if you just want me tojump right into my story, Bobo.
Sure, yeah, I mean ifany background unless or any what anything's pertinent,
just yep. Yeah, Like Isaid, I mean, I grew

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up with lots of bigfoot or sasquatchstories. You know, I think I've
told you one night long ago outthere in Samoa about my auntie, like
going to fish Lake and like havingit. You had to knock or two
rocks together like three times, likeyou know, tap them three times as
you're going around. And then onetime she was out there gathering sticks or

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something and was hitting her rocks andthen had it come back at her and
start getting closer like it was mimickingwhat she was doing, and she took
off out of there. Also this, I just have to tell you.
I think I told you this beforetoo, when your show was happening.
My Graham liked to watch it,and she's like, you tell that,
Bobo that they're only going to showthemselves when they want to, because they're

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interdimensional creatures. Oh my god.I had somebody tell me that recently from
your tribe. Actually, they sayonly certain people can see it. Yeah,
when they want to show themselves toyou, you'll see them. That's
what Grandma always said, So yeah, might again. It was like about
twenty years ago, summertime. Youknow, I had been I went up

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there a lot. My brother andI were staying up there quite a bit,
like our whole family used to alwaysbe up there all the time.
And then I was trying to getout of there, so it was like
just trying to get off of thehill before dark, like at least get
down into Ork by dark. Soit would have been probably maybe seven or
eight o'clock because it was like thegolden hour, right, the sun was

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like just going down. It wasbeautiful. Everything was like bathed in like
this golden light. And I hadbeen like just ripping down the road.
I used to drive a lot fasterdown that road, and I had my
old like Toyota truck, so Iwas with it had a lift on it,
so I was kind of up prettyhigh, and I came around the
corner. I was probably somewhere aroundlike mile mark or five four or five

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like closer actually did to turn offto meta honestly, so probably quite near
where you had your sighting amy,And it was like rip around the corner.
You know, the sun's like glowing, everything's kind of this like beautiful
golden shimmery thing, you know,and I come whip it around. Yeah,
I come whip it around the curve, and I see. I mean

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it was like so fast, right, so I'm like my brain's trying to
catch up with what like what I'mseeing with like known things, you know.
And it was this creature. Iwould say, at first I thought
it was a bear, but itwas standing up on two legs and it
all had like its arms like kindof outstretched long arms. So it couldn't

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have been a bear because it wasalmost like like lateral where bears when they
are standing their arms, their shouldersdon't work that way, you know,
their arms stay in front of them. But it was right there in this
clearing, and there's just like inretrospect, it appeared to be enjoying the
sunset. If it's you know,if that's a thing that they can I

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mean, I believe that bigfoot canenjoy sunsets. And it was just sort
of like basking, you know,in this golden globe. And then it,
you know, I disrupted its peacefulmoment and it dropped down on all
fours and started like running next tomy truck because I had slowed down,

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and I was like, what thehell it was? Probably, I guess
on all on both feet it wassomewhere between seven and eight feet, is
what I would guess, because thenit started like keeping pace with my truck,
and I had slowed down to liketry to figure out if I was
it was going to run in theroad and like hit it. I didn't
want to hit it whatever, youknow, and my brain was still trying

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to say bear. But it wasjust too tall. I mean, I've
seen big bears out there, lotsof lots of bears out there. It
was too tall, way too tall. You know. There's no grizzlies out
there, no more. And they'renot the right It's not the right color.
It was like that reddish brown sortof orange color. It long longer
fur, like you were saying,not overly like swishy, but it was

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furry. You know. Hands didnot have fur on them. I don't
think feet had, you know,I couldn't see the pads of his feet,
because at that point it was likeright next to me, but I
know that there was no fur onthe hands. And then, like I
said, it was just keeping pacewith me, and it was probably for
no more than like a thousand yards, you know, because it was in

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this clearing on the left side ofme as I was headed probably west at
that point on Johnson's Road, backtoward Bald Hills Road, and it just
kept pace. And then at onepoint, like it was right it pulled
right up alongside my truck. Itwas I could have reached my hand out
the window and touched it, andmy window was down. It was cracked,

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and its back was probably right inline or a little bit above my
window line. So I'm fairly short, so it kind of came to my
shoulder. It's probably four foot offthe ground, four and a half foot
off the ground on its arms andlegs running, and then it just turned
and like it turned and looked atme and right in my face, and

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then like I was just like whatthe heck, you know, and then
it peeled off into the brush andI just kept going, and I was
like, all right, well thathappened, you know, was that like
the scariest thing that's ever happened toyou? No, because I grew up
with stories about them, you knowwhat I mean. I also grew up
with stories of like engine devils outthere, and so what I was taught

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is like, if you see thosewould call them mama. If you see
them, you don't show no fear. You know, you don't show no
fear, or they can't you know, they can do to you things that
you don't want done to you.So but it wasn't threatening. It was
just like, what's up? Youknow, you've intruded up on my beautiful

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moment? Like you know, yousee me downright? You think it was
next to you for about a thousandyards or so. Yeah, I mean,
it wasn't a very long stretch ofroad right there where there's prairie on
the side before the trees and thebrush get too thick, so it was
open. It was kind of likein this clearing, and so you know,
you cut right around there's a cowfield. It's before the cowfield's like right

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at hand corn road. So Icame around the corner there's this clearing and
then you know a little bit fartherup, you get to those like barbire
fences where those folks have those cows. There's like a helicopter landing pad there
now. But it used to beopen prairie. But yeah, no,
it ran. It ran for somewherebetween eight hundred and a thousand yards because

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it's not very big of a stretchof open prairie there, It wasn't at
the time. And then you know, you get back into trees on both
sides and thick brush, so that'swhat it did. It like just sort
of took off into the brush asI kept going down the road, like
at that point, I wasn't gonnastop. You know, I've had all

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kinds of animal encounters out there onthat road, Like you know, see
the biggest mountain lion I've ever seenin my life, and it's real skinny.
And then you know, a hundredyards down the road, my truck
breaks down. I have to getout, you know, like all kinds
of stuff, all kinds of bears, all kinds of things. One time,
we're's out because we used to sleepon the deck in our family's house
and Graham would sleep inside. AndI got up and went to the bathroom

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about five o'clock in the morning maybe, and she's just looking out the window.
She goes, oh, good,you're alive. I said, what
happened. She's like, oh,there's a big panther on the roof.
She watched it like jump down offthe road onto the roof of the house
and like was just watching us allasleep where Like you know, one time
some real smart fellow left to salmonsitting on the deck and I woke up

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to a bear like licking it closerand closer to us, trying to get
at it. So I've seen lotsof stuff out there. And so when
you first saw it, you weredriving up and you said it was kind
of the road there was kind ofgoing I guess south, and it was
facing it was facing Westias kind ofsaw like an a partial profile. Was
that the case? And how farfrom the road was it? I thowt

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it's back first. It was fullon like like basking in the sun,
like in this like golden light asthe sun was setting, and like so
I saw it its arms outstretched,it was on two feet, you know.
I saw it's back first, andit was mostly human shaped, you
know, but when bears stand uptoo, this is like, as an

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aside, one of the things aboutbears if you ever find a bear skeleton
in the woods, not that theirbones necessarily articulate as human, but their
hands do. So if you finda bear's hands, it's real easy to
confuse bare hand carples with human handsbecause like specifically the carpals, the only

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difference is on a human, likeif you look at your knuckle, the
human knuckle is like a I knowthe anatomical names, but I can't remember
him. But anyway, there's likethose two like kind of ridges or I
mean points, and then there's avalley in between, right, and that's
where your tendons go. And ona bear's there's a ridge in the middle

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because it's got two tendons that gothrough, so it can have that real
strong like claw action, you know. So I'm saying all of this and
only to say that, like Iunderstood in that moment that this was not
a bear because it didn't have barehands, and bears can also appear human
like at times, and there's storiesabout that, but the ain't the time

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for that either. But yeah,I know it just like full on was
standing there. I saw its backit like kind of turned its head a
little bit to its right, likeis it recognized that I was kind of
coming, And then it dropped downonto its hands and feet and then just

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started like sort of like galloping,you know, sort of next to me.
I was probably going twenty five milesan hour at that point. I
slowed way down because I didn't wantto hit it. And, like I
said, still try it in mybrain to work out is this unknown entity?
Like it's not a bear? Whatis it? How can it not
be a bear? You know,what the hell else could it be?

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Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyondwith Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right
back after these messages. So youwere dripping up like twenty five miles an
hour. It was standing like howfar from the road, like five ten
feet? Oh yeah, easy,maybe not even between five and ten feet.

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When it started running as you passed, it kind of just all of
a sudden just took off. Iwas just kept up with you right away.
Yeah, it was just running rightalongside me. And at that point
it was like a foot and ahalf two feet from me, like from
the side of my truck, justrunning alongside me. And like I said,
because That's what I was going toask you, Amy, is like,
did you notice like a smell,because I like got hit in the

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face with a smell and it waslike kind of reminded me, you know
how bears kind of have a distinctivestout smell or even elk elk smell a
little bit more like musky. Idon't know if anybody's ever noticed that,
but I have. And that's whatit was, Just like a real kind
of musky scent, like not grossor anything, not displeasing, but I

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feel like I believe that that's true, but I can't remember smell, like
smelling something. But at the time, like I told you, I was
so scared, and I think it'sso great that you want afraid of there
because you had heard stories and stuff, whereas I had no idea other than

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like someone like Bobo telling me thatthere was a big foot, and I
remember being like, maybe that's true, but maybe, like I don't know,
like I wasn't like I fully believein this or I fully disbelieve in
this, you know, But whenthat happened to me, he was definitely
the person that I felt like Icould talk to about it. One d

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O for sure. I feel liketoo, like just because like I grew
up in like in my community likethese we we have these stories. It's
still you know, I was totallyresonating with what you were saying. For
like, you don't really want tohave these conversations with people and the story.
No, yeah, you got tolike suss out whether or not they're

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you know, going to be opento hearing this and not be dismissive of
your experience. It sounds absolutely crazy, but it's not. It's not it's
not something that I'm picking up.It's something that actually happened to me,
something that I will never forget.It's definitely, like I said, the
scariest thing that's ever happened to me. And so to hear their people's stories

(33:13):
makes me feel not so alone init. I know that Native said that
they that they show themselves in likecertain times and to certain people, and
I think that's true. But Ialso think and I think I know that
they also screw up, like they'renot perfect, and that they get seen
by people that they don't want them, they don't want to It was probably

(33:35):
me, like I said, thething were treated so quickly as soon as
it saw me see it, itstarted backing up really fast. Sometimes I
think, like what if they're justmessed around, they're like when see why
to see we freak this check out. I think they show themselves to natives,
like like sometimes in the native sceneor a lot of the times like

(33:59):
that has a that is like acertain like a because like not all,
not all humans are like Tibetan monksor you know, like these cloister nouns.
There's certain people on different levels ofspiritual art. I think those things
are kind of the same. AndI think there's also maybe entities that that
take on their shape or you know, like use maybe use their body to

(34:21):
travel because it's more efficient to travel, or they have a certain purpose to
achieve so they go in that form. Yes, I agree with you,
Bobo. You know what I thinksometimes too, is about like because they
have purpose here, right, They'relike they're not just play and hide and
seek. You know, they havea purpose and responsibility to this place just

(34:42):
like we do. So you know, it might be that they're checking in
to see like what in the heckare those crazy humans doing now to this
place that we're responsible to. Iwould look at it like that Rachel,
I wanted to get a little bitback into your sighting, so you pull
up to it and has bad toyou. Was it like a brick like?
Wise, shoulders all thick? Allmy dollar? Was it more v

(35:07):
shaped? How was the body proportions? Yeah, it had really broad like
muscular shoulders like you know, becauselike I said, it's arms were extended,
so you could see the musculature.Not like walking like a zombie with
its arms out in front of itextended, you mean, just like hanging
to the sides. But no,it had its arms like spread out like
it was like literally the only thingin my description is like basking in the

(35:29):
sun like you ever see like peoplelike praying with their hands their their arms
outstretched and hands upturned like it wasliterally like receiving like the light. You
know. That's what it looked liketo me. That's my reference. What
it was actually doing, I don'tknow. But it had its arms out
stretched to its sides like so itcould stretch them out laterally like a human

(35:52):
could, right whereas like if yousee bears there, their shoulders don't rotate
out like that was kind of likein the Jesus crucified post or or is
it ours one in front of it? No, a little not all the
way not all the way back,a little bit forward, but yeah,
I mean arms outstretched like as thoughlike receiving something, you know. Yeah,

(36:20):
And then like I said, itsort of like leaned like it didn't
turn away or all the way around, but it sort of like tilted its
head back toward me, like asit heard me coming, which I find
hard to believe. It didn't hearme coming or feel the vibration in my
truck for a while, you know, but it made you know, who
knows, it was just enjoying whatit the you know, enjoying the view.

(36:40):
It was just a really gorgeous sunset. It happened to be also so
yeah, and like you know,because it was that the Golden Hour,
everything just had that real sort oflike dreamy hue, and it was sort
of like you could see like thelight kind of filtering through like some of

(37:01):
the wispier ends of the fur.And this is you know, this is
all happening quickly. But this haskind of burned into my brain because how
you know, how many times hasthis happened to a person? You know,
do you see the eye color Ihad to have because its face was
right in my face. But it'sprobably I mean, it's not sticking out.

(37:22):
I'm it's sort of just brown.All I'm seeing is brown in the
face. Did you see it transitionfrom uh, standing up on all on
two feet to did you see ittransition on all fours? Then it started
and then it started running? Whathappened? And last yes, Yeah,
it went so like I said,it sort of like leans a little bit,

(37:43):
so like heard that I was coming, so it's being interrupted. And
then it dropped to all fours andstarted running alongside my truck. And then
as I was getting to the endof the clearing, like I said,
it like turned and looked at me. I guess I had brown like b
Ownish eyes, maybe lighter brown,but I wouldn't say they were like glowing

(38:05):
amber or anything like that. Asyou passed it, it just kind of
dropped like it dropped down on allfours as you like as you're pulling up
next to it, and then itjust ran like instantly as going as fast
as you were agoing like twenty five. Yeah, it was just like kind
of next to me. I mighthave slowed down even more than that was
he in the brush still that kindof he was like jumping over stuff,
like having to avoid things. Correctbecause we were in an open clearing.

(38:27):
It was like, like I said, it was just this this stretch of
like prairie that's off to the sideright there. It doesn't look like that
anymore right now, you know,But back then it was like a little
stretch of open prairie for a goodthousand yards and then it chokes up in
a brush. Did it make anynoise? I want to say, like
I heard like breathing, but itmight have been me, dude, Like

(38:52):
you know what I mean, LikeI can't recall noise. But I also
had the radio on because I wasalways blasting music and stuff'll do. But
and I didn't like turn the radiodown. But I remember the smell.
Does it sticking in your nose afterwards? Like even after New York it wasn't
there. You still smell like them? Oh no, And it smelled like
my truck smelled like it because itwas like right rubbing up like it was

(39:13):
right there, Like I don't feellike it was touching and it find any
fur afterward and anything like that.But yeah, I could still smell it
like around my truck for a goodwhile. And I've like, you know,
you ever like drove through the elkkurd it for trying to get out
to Freak Canyon when they won't move. I've been face to face with elk
and so they kind of you know, transferred their smell a little bit for

(39:34):
a while. Did you notice thehands when it was on all fours?
But do you know if it doyou know something was knuckle like when knuckles
down, flat hands, No knucklesnot flat hands. Knuckles, Oh,
you definitely saw them. It wason knuckles after when it took off past
me, not when it was rightnext to me. I couldn't see down,
but I could see it's back.That's what I was watching, Like

(39:57):
it's back and because it was likeslightly behind, you know, so I
can see its back and shoulders likemoving and the muscular chure moving as it
was running beside me. How didit run? Like? Did it seem
like a horse or a bear ora dog? Like? Did it reminds
you or deer? Did like?Did like the motion of it? Did
it? Could you get a senseof that? Was it fluid or jerky

(40:21):
awkward kind of or no? Itwas fluid, so maybe not like a
bear because you know how bear's alumber, you know, and not like
a bear at all. It wasfluid. Maybe more like a horse a
little bit, but not exactly becauseher horses are a little more jerky.
Was this was the front end uplike somebody will describe it almost like Haina
when they're on the all fours,like the lowe back end, like the

(40:44):
butt ends much lower than the thanthe front. I couldn't see that because
it was right next to me,so I was looking directly at its like
back and shoulders. How why wouldyou suspect the shoulders were just guessing I
don't know, like maybe four feetpretty wide, pretty wide, and like
it tapered down. It didn't havelike hips or nothing. You know.

(41:06):
It was sort of V shaped,but like muscular enough legs. They weren't
like skinny stick legs. You know. It was hard to see the like
the musculature there because it was likefurry, you know, as I was
standing up. But you know,I've been thinking about all this time,
like I don't remember seeing like abutt or nothing. You know, I
wasn't focused on that. It wasso quick, you know, I thought,

(41:27):
well, shoot, I don't rememberthat part of it. I remember
its shoulders, and again, likeI said, my brain was trying to
compute what am I seeing and makeit fit like things that I knew,
and dismissing it. And by thatpoint when I'm like, that is not
a bear, it's running next tome. So I couldn't see much more
of its anatomy. I didn't seelike it's chest or abdomen or anything like

(41:49):
that. Was the hair equally thicklike? Was it? Was it thick
all the way down? No?I feel like it tapered off a little
bit around like the waist and hips, not like showing it just wasn't as
thick. It wasn't like looking atmy frame of reference right now was like
solely from Monsters, inc. Youknow, where the furs like equally shaggy
and so it appears round. Itdidn't look like that. It didn't look

(42:14):
like that. Stay tuned for moreBigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
We'll be right back after these messages. So you said it took off like
a rocket, So if you weredriving say twenty at this point, did
it like double your speed when ittook off that sort of thing. Yeah,

(42:36):
no, it went fast. Itwas probably going at least thirty five
into the brush. It took offat that point. It was like a
streak. People say it's like acartoon almost seeing them like, it's almost
like watching a cartoon. They're sofast. Yeah, No, it was
very fast. It was pretty incredible. That's when I was like, all
right, well I'm going to justkeep going. That's done now, you
know, I'm going to at mygo to. Poor Gram passed away a

(43:00):
year ago, but she was alwaysmy go to for all the things.
You know. I got to gethome and tell Graham about this one.
What's she saying? She was like, why were you being so disruptive?
You couldn't have slowed down or turnedyour music down? Geez? You know.
Oh, so she thought I wasthere to tell you, like,
hey, you're kind of disrespecting thearea out hear what you're doing. Is

(43:22):
that what her depression was? No, she was she just like to give
me heck because you know, Iwas just because that's what Graham did,
you know, So, no,she was. She she just said exactly
all the things I've said. Yeah, you know, there are things interdimensional.
They don't live here all the time. They can come and go.

(43:42):
If they show themselves to you,it's for a purpose, you know,
think about what it is that theirlives are like, you know, they
have purpose. So you know,who knows he was just out here for
a minute enjoying the sun sunset.You know, I did get the sense
with any evidence that it was male, just for I don't know why,

(44:06):
but that's the sense that I got. Yeah, I think that the V
shaped ones are usually the males.The females have a wider hip like like
like human females, you know,they have like the wider yeah for the
birth can of and all that,and they so, yeah, they're much
more shaped like a block or anapple, whereas the males are fully triangular

(44:28):
V shaped like wild shoulders and moretapered waist. I wish that I could
be more descriptive about the face becauseit was so shocking. But what I
do remember it was like, youknow, smaller features. It didn't have
like overly large features. I'm tryingnot to replace like known things like it
certainly didn't look like a gorilla ora primate. It really sort of looks

(44:53):
human. About the nose broad alittle broader, kind of flat, but
not huge, you know, notbig. Can I ask when this happened,
Rachel, Yeah, this would havebeen like in the summer of probably
two thousand and three or four.It's just I can't even tell you a

(45:14):
month I was just up I wasup there that particular year. I think
it was two thousand and three asnow, it's like very close to the
time that I saw it, sawthe same similar thing. Yeah, my
setting was about that mile and ahalf from there, and mine was May
twenty first or May twenty six,two thousand and one. Interesting on the

(45:35):
same road. What my own markerwere you at you think for the sighting?
Well, for when I had thatcrazy encounter, I was two and
a half miles from the fire stationon if anyone looking on Google Maps you
go to or California, o Rick, you go, like if you look
up wald Hills Road just north oftown, it travels east east, southeast,

(45:59):
southeast, and fifteen road miles upas Johnson Road. There's a CalFire
CDF forest fire station there on thecorner of Johnson Road, and Johnson onlygoes
left to the north and you goleft up there. But yeah, it's
it's so changed that that they've loggedeverything up there. It's I couldn't even

(46:19):
like. It took me a coupleof tries to find where I had my
sighting because it was so looks socompletely different. I don't even recognize the
road at some point, you know, they've logged so much, and I've
been going up through my whole life. All the landmarks that I had are
going you know, yeah, yeah, for real, it's weird. It's
strange, all right. It wasanything else, anything else that you can

(46:40):
maybe you forgot to mention earlier,that stands out to you at all.
I'm just so blown away about abouthow similar our two stories are, even
though she had something that ran alongsideher vehicle whereas whatever, and I think
it might have been because of myoh it scared whatever it was off,

(47:05):
But so semi some other crazy personwho no, like I said, I
mean, these are old stories.So there's lots of us, lots of
us around here who if we haven'tseen them, we've grown up with the
stories and know who these people are, you know. So the stigma was
definitely diminishing, like you know,like just even when that twenty twenty five

(47:29):
years ago. Nowadays, it's somuch more acceptable to say you solve them
without being everyone just going what thehell are you talking about? Like,
you know a lot of people don'tgo, oh, really what, They
don't laugh, they go really,what happened? Right? They're not like,
okay, you know X files orwhatever. Well, I'm really happy
that we finally sat down to dothis. I know we've been talking about
it for a while, so Iappreciate your patience. Hey, thanks so

(47:51):
much for coming on. That wasgreat. I've been looking forward to this
for a long time, and thepeople listening to this appreciate you coming on
and sharing their stories. It's it'sit's really for me. It's just so
it's where I had my first majorencounter, and then five days there I
had my first sighting. So forme, it's always you know, like
it's got that's my first time.Well, thank you so much for asking

(48:14):
me to come on. I appreciateit. And yeah, let me know
we'll hang out and chat some more. Sounds great. Thanks Rachel. All
right, take care and thank youtoo. That was awesome you came on
and told that story. I've mentionedit on the air for years and years,
so now that people got to hearit from straight from the horse's mouth.
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