Ep. 257 - Heather Moser

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Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay.Greetings, Bobo, Hello Cliff. What's
happening man? Not much despite mygeneral exhaustion and soreness and stuff. Been
doing a lot of work on theproperty, taking down trees, running chainsaws,
sloping ground. Blah blah blah blahblah. I still went walking in
the woods yesterday, neighbor Gary,and I went walking in the woods around

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your house. No, no,no, I'm at one of the spots
down down down the Clacamus River abit so okay, yeah, one of
our general locations. And it's niceto have a neighbor Gary along because he
asked, hey, Cliff, doyou mind if I take a rifle along
in case we see a mountain lion. They're thinking, oh, of course,
he's all tagged up. He's atotal legal hunter and everything like that,

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and in his mountain lion season allyear long. I said, absolutely,
you are more than welcome to bringa gun for the one thing in
the woods that I'm afraid of.You may hunt the thing that hunts me.
Yes, but we didn't see one. But we did find a footprint,
and we may have found even ahandprint underneath this low lying log.

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And the handprint corresponds nicely to thesize that we would expect for a twelve
inch footprint. How big is that? About the size of my hand,
but thicker now. Of course,both of these were in super saturated soil.
They were not fresh. Maybe theyare from a person, although I
think the people hypothesis is kind oftough on this one. The footprint was

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pretty eroded out again supersaturated soil,but there was at least one distinct toe
with an excrusion, uh protrusion.I guess there's some exclusion between that toe
and the other ones, so kindof eliminates the boot thing and what and
I cast it kind of briefly,hosed it off pretty quick, and there

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are suggestions of other toes like alittle you know, maybe it's not,
maybe it's not. It's not clearenough to say much about. And the
handprint is kind of wonky looking,as sasquatch hands kind of are, but
it's not that bad. It's notbad, you know. I'd say both
of these are definite maybees in thatsort of tradition. We're not getting super
super clear stuff in this area,but we are getting kind of a lot

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of stuff that indicates they probably arearound. So pretty cool. So it
was nice to get out in thewoods for the first time in a couple
of weeks, and nice to knowthat our spots are still producing. Only
walk two roads. So I wassomething with Todd dug up to the Go
Road yesterday or two days ago,and those guys, I guess found prints

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and possibly a scat pile. Sothe day you didn't go, they found
some stuff. Isn't that how itgoes? You know, kind of stinks,
but well whatever whatever, are goingto go out and take a look
at them. Yeah, probably,Yeah, it's south west Aroun. I'm
going to try to get out therepossibly tomorrow. Yeah. Well I hope
you do. Hope you do.That's kind of early for that. How

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far up the Go Road? Ithink, you know, like that.
I'm not sure, but I thinkthey're going up just you know, like
that ten twelve mile area. Okay, okay, yeah, because that high.
The ridges will probably be snowed in. I'm assuming, yeah, dude,
yeah, spe snow a little bittonight. It's just like an answer
to oh, yeah, yeah,the weather kind of came in. Was
it nice there last week too?Oh dude, we had some beautiful days,

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so some melt off. Then atleast it's cold. It's real cold
again. It's gonna be in thethirties tonight here, which is on the
beach. That's really cold for April. Well, I'm looking forward to getting
out to Bluff this year. I'dlike to get out there at some point,
probably no earlier than July, justto see what's burnt and what's not.
I want to see how far thatfire went and what is still good
and even though it's it's you know, devastating and horrible to look at and

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stuff like that. I did learna lot about the Klacamus River basin by
by seeing what it looked like afterit burned, because you can finally see
the lay of the land, youknow, dude, that's so true.
Like there's so many places I've beenlike that's what this canyon looks like because
it's just just some burnt stops aroundyou know, you can see all the
way out to Pire for you andit's it's yeah, it's like it's like
old. It's like a pre lightR. Yeah right, it's an analog

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light R. Yeah. Yeah,it's fight are fire. I found the
same thing in Malala because we've beenup to Malala together. That place is
all burned out in too. It'slike, oh wow, that's what the
It's just crazy, it's just crazy. Well, you know, something else
happened this week that I'm pretty excitedabout. So you know, we're doing
the eight Canyon thing. Of course, last week on the members section,

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I even announced tickets available for ourBigfoot and Beyond members members sort of sort
of thing. So if you area member of Bigfoot of Beyond, you're
part of the Beyond Bigfoot of Beyondcrowd, you can actually buy tickets to
come hear Mark and Marcell speak andhere perhaps our special guests. We have
two nights in the nineteenth and twentiethand to help celebrate that, we just
got in our special annual commemorative coin, we made Ape Canyon coins and I'll

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tell you, bobes, they arecool. They're a gold and silver not
real gold and silver. They surelook like it though, gold and silver,
and then we have the murphy onone side. On the backside.
We change the design every year andthis year says Ape Canyon Centennial across the
top. It has a night twentytwenty four and the very bottom but also
as nineteen twenty four right above it, because this is the one hundred year

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anniversary of the Eight Canyon events.If you want one, there's only a
limited number of them. You canget them at the NABC store. But
man, I'm of course going togive you and maybe even Matt one that'll
make mind Less special. If yougive them one too, You're right,
You're right, So Matt will getone and you won't, is what you're
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you up there. Well enough talkingfrom us. I mean, the reason

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everybody's here to listen today is becausewe have Heather Mosure on. Is it
Mosure and by the way, oris its not Mosser? No, it's
Mosure. You got it. Yeah, we have Heather Mosure on today.
She is the host of the smallTown Monsters podcast called the Lor you know,
and she's really she has her herfingerprints all over. I think most,
if not all, of the smalltown monster stuff. I know Heather

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on a personal level because we've beento the woods, I've done some filming
for small Town Monsters. She's alwaysbeen lurking around behind and I don't even
know what else she's into. Iknow she's cool as all get out that
she has a lot of weird experiences, and that's why we invited on the
podcast today. So Heather, thanksfor coming on. Hey, Heather,
I'm so excited to be here.Really why because I love talking with you.

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It's always a good time. Yeah. I saw this when we were
filming the Momo movie. Yeah,I've got a it's amazing. As much
as my daughter has grown, Ihave an awesome picture of you two with
my daughter, and she's about tobe thirteen next week. Wow, it's
been a few years. Yeah,so I think it's fair to say that
we've we've played a pretty important rolein her life. I guess, right,

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yeah, absolutely, of course.So Heather, we're going to get
to your podcast eventually, of course. But how long have you been in
this like the weird critter monster gamefor lack of a better term, well
for small town monsters specifically. I'vebeen involved since Momo. That was the

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first movie that I got to workon. But I've always been interested in
I mean, it's like the lifelonglove of the strange and unusual, going
back to whenever I was younger andwatching like Unsolved Mysteries on TV, huge
fan of that. Grew up withsome weird stories that my parents would tell
me, and there's just always alwayssomething that caught my attention. But then

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as I got older and got intocollege, I would find ways to try
to integrate some of the weird andunusual into my studies because I was a
classics major, so Latin literature,things like that. It's always been there,
And I started to look into cursedobjects and that led me to the
bell Witch, which then eventually ledme to getting involved with small town monsters

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because Seth had announced that they weregoing to be doing something on the bell
Witch and I said, hey,I've been looking into this. I don't
know if you need a researcher,but I'm pretty well versed on that legend,
so if you need any help,let me know. And he said,
yeah, actually I do. Let'sstart you with Momo first though,
and see how it goes. Sowe started with Momo, then Mockman Legacy

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was after that, and then thebell Witch. So so you said that
your parents would tell you weird story. Was it weird stories about things that
happened to them? Well, so, I mean I grew up not far
from where I live now is Minerva, Ohio. So with the story of
the Minerva Monster, growing up hearingabout Bigfoot in the area, it kind
of was just a thing, youknow, like nobody questioned whether Bigfoot existed

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or not. It's just bigfoots outthere in the woods type situation. So
I grew up with that. Butthe stories that I grew up with were
from mostly from my mother talking aboutthe farmhouse that she grew up in as
a young girl and how it wassupposedly haunted. And she found that out
because one Christmas, my grandmother hadbought the bought her kids a Ouigi board.

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Does she not like you like?Why would she do that? She
bought them all a Oigi board,and my mom loved it. My aunt,
on the other hand, was terrifiedof it and demanded that it be
burned, and eventually my grandmother didburn the board. But anyway, before
it was burned, they were onit for a little bit and it said
that there was a spirit in thehouse and the spirit's name was Elizabeth,

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and that she lived in my mother'sroom, which Mom thought was pretty cool.
And they didn't really have any activitythat happened necessarily while they lived there.
But when they went to move outa few years later and they were
going through the old deeds to thehouse, they actually found Elizabeth's name on
one of the deeds, which wasodd because of how old the house was
to even have a female's name onthe deed to begin with. But anyway,

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once they sold the house, itwent through a series of owners.
It would change hands pretty often,and the people that would sell it after
that would cite things that were happeningin the house, like they couldn't keep
light bulbs on. Light bulbs wouldjust burst, or they'd turn off,
or they'd see things on the stairs, and they just had an uneasy presence.
And that continued for I believe becauseI went back through some of the

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records at the local courthouse. Sothat went on for probably ten to fifteen
years before it got in the handsof a family who owns it now currently,
and they haven't had any well,they've had things happen, but not
enough to move out by any means. So I just grew up with that
story of Elizabeth and the Ouiji boardand yeah, all the haunted stuff happening

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there, and always thought that wasinteresting, along with the bigfoot stuff.
Yes, along with the bigfoot stuff. Yeah. Now, of course we'll
get to that a little while becauseI know a little bit about the background
of where you live and things likethat. But before we move on to
any future things here, So youstudied Latin, yes, Now, now,
first of all, say something coolLatin. For us, we didn't
learn to speak Latin. We'd learnedto translate it. No, but you

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must feel like a cool phrase ortwo. I mean, I mean,
I can say just Solway is hello. But other than that, I don't
really know any phrases. No VDVDVICH. You know, well, that's what
I'm looking for. I'm not I'mnot I'm not asking for conversational Latin because
you know that that doesn't exist.Really. I was looking for something cool,
like you know, you don't getwhat you don't poop for or something

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or something like that, you know, like some sort of snazzy's saying yeah,
so that vidy bdbach would work.I came. I saw I conquered
that Caesar's quote, Julius Caesar's quote. That's the first one off the top
of my head. It's been awhile because that was something that I haven't
gotten into in a few years now, since I graduated, once I started
in STM stuff, I haven't reallylooked at Latin much. Well, you

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know, i'd like to. I'dlike to think that Big Fing to Beyond
as a podcast that the guests kindof walk away thinking, well, that
was challenging to be on. We'llsee I'll let you know. Well you
said b dvdvch. It reminds meof that was that robot's name on that
Buck Rogers that TV series in theseventies Beat I think it was Beat.

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He spoke like that bd bd betthat's real. So am I Bobo?
So am I? So ghost stuffin your past, bigfoot stuff in your
past. And then somehow or anotheryou stumbled upon the Small Town Monsters gang
of misfits, and you've been kindof dragged along on their adventures ever since.
Absolutely. Yeah, and it seemslike my role keeps expanding. I

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mean it goes from like with Momoand Seth asked me to start helping.
It was literally just find me,give me a list of names of people
that I could potentially interview, andso just handing a list over to stef
to Now I'm the one contacting peopleand setting stuff up. I've now the
role of producer and then have thepodcast of course, and now we've launched

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a publishing company and I'm the editorfor the books, and it's just more
stuff all the time, and it'sbeen pretty awesome. It does seem that
Small Town Monsters is blossoming into muchmore than a small production house. So
I know you guys have a podcast, now you say a publishing house as
well. Yeah, we've got SmallTime Monsters Publishing, and we're actually getting
ready to release our fourth book,which is Hunting Grounds by Aaron Deese.

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It's about dog man encounters in theland between the Lakes of Kentucky. Do
you do any nonfiction though, uhuh uh huh. Yeah. We had
the Kinderhook Creature and Beyond. Ifyou want to stick with Bigfoot type stuff,
Kinderhook Creature, we did that.That was one of our first books.
Did you did you find good witnessesfor the lbluh? Yeah. One

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of the best witnesses that we've spokento for LBL was Martin Groves. He
had an encounter and pretty it's alwaysit's always interesting to listen to his encounter.
You can tell that there's still alot of emotion there that has shaken
him from whatever he did experience.It still bothers him to this day and

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that becomes pretty obvious whenever he startsto recount his story. So I'd say
Martin Groves is one of the bestinterviews that we've had from that area.
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyondwith Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right
back after these messages, podcasts,publishing house, movie production. Thing you're

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doing live events. Monsterfests is comingup again. I see, Yes it
is, Yes, it is,and we are very excited about it.
We were very excited and anxious,just because there's always anxiety levels mixed with
something like an event like that.But we're pretty thrilled to have it come
back to Canton, you know,have something near home, because that was

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something that was lacking. So niceto have something at home. Ohio has
more than his fair share of conferencesand festivals and all that other stuff,
but there's really nothing up in thatneck of Ohio. So I got to
appear at it last year, andit has a lot of fun, especially
for a first year conference. I'dsay, you guys killed it. He's
absolutely killed it. But I cannotin the level of stress that must go

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on behind the scenes, with allthose moving parts and different people and times
and events and speakers and egos andtables and money changing hands and all that
stuff must be absolutely ridiculous. Howdo you manage it all? I mean,
you have kids too? Yeah,yeah, I've got three little ones.
Well they're not little anymore, Iguess, but three kids, and

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I don't know when it's all saidand done. We sleep for like a
week, you know, just gointo hibernation for a while. But it's
just a lot of a lot ofprojects going at once and having to really
section off your time. You know. Time management is important. Okay,
enough time management, let's get backto dog Man. When was the first

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person you heard about that? Doyou like? We're like, this could
be like really something. Well,that has to go back to when we
filmed Skinwalker Hall of the Ruguru.Yeah, talking with people that had experiences
down there, and the ones thatreally stick out to me are the ones

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that say that when they had theirencounter, the best thing that they can
equate it to is Anubis. Ialways find that intriguing. But the one
that down in Louisiana that sounded orthat had the encounter that looked like Anubis.
What she had done was her grandfatherhad been tilling a garden and as
he was tilling, he pushed upsome Native American artifacts, and as a

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young girl, she was curious aboutit. So she grabbed some and took
them back into her room. Andeven though her grandfather said, don't disturb
anything, I'm going to put itall back and we'll just make the garden
somewhere else. She took some pieces, went back to her room, and
over the next five nights, everynight that she would go to sleep or
attempt to go to sleep, thisthing would show up in her door that

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she said, look like Anubis orlater she was able to equate to Anubis,
because at the time she didn't reallyhave an equivalent for it, but
it would show up in the doorand kind of speak to her and tell
her you need to put this back. You're kind of disrespecting your ancestors here.
And she ignored it for a fewdays, and then on night four
or five, it actually got upnext to her bed, and she said

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that that's when she finally took itseriously because that was a little too close
for comfort, and she ended upputting it back and then she never had
an experience again, which is different. I mean, that's still different than
the typical dog Man encounters where peopleare out in the woods and see a
creature and they're absolutely terrified. Butthat's still one that stuck with me.
So what's your personal opinion on that, Like, after having researched it and

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talked to these people with dog Man, that is, with really any of
these witnesses it's difficult for me tosay that they didn't have an experience,
right, especially whenever they're recounting theirexperience and they're very emotional. I am
not one to tell them that theydidn't experience what they think that they experienced.
When it comes to dog Man,it just seems like it's got to

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have some sort of supernatural aspect toit. I think because of this idea
that people get this feeling they getof absolute evil. It's one of the
only cryptids when we're talking about theworld of cryptids that I can think of,
where people unanimously hate it, likeare just terrified of this thing.
You don't hear that necessarily with someof the other cryptids. I mean,
there can be terrifying encounters, ofcourse, but nothing that's almost universally terrifying

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as it is with dog Man.But some of the other things that people
talk about they've encountered with it,like there's odd sounds that they hear right
before seeing one. Of course,the impending sense of dread and doom.
Just the creature itself physically, howit could exist, to me, lends

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it more to a paranormal type realmfor a dog Man and you're digging around
about dog Man, you know,your research, behind the scenes stuff.
What's the oldest account that you've everrun across that you deem to be credible?
Ah? Wow, Well that's toughto say, because when you start
to go back, you end upin like werewolf lore, which can go
back even as far as the ancientGreeks. As far as that goes,

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But then what is credible right asfar as what stories are true? Well,
here in North America, how aboutthat? I'm not sure what the
oldest one. I mean, recently, my mind is still stuck on some
of the books that Aaron has written, like dogmyan Territory and or the Texas
Dogy and Triangle, And there weresome from the eighteen hundreds in there where,

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But those those are also not necessarilythe quintessential dog man of something walking
up on two legs. There's amore like hyena like which I would think
aren't beyond their almal possibility either forseeing something that might be like a hyena
that got loose. So I don'tknow, the eighteen hundreds, probably yeah,
because I think Lauren Coleman I couldbe wrong. I thought I saw

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it, and maybe I am Idon't know. I thought Lauren wrote somewhere
that the dog man thing wasn't reallyprevalent until Linda Godfrey started writing her books.
Well, the term wasn't for sure, the term dog man wasn't wasn't
relevant until Linda Godfrey and that shekind of put that on the map with
the Beast of Bray Road as faras that goes. But before that,

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I mean, if you start lookingat what dog man looks like and the
way that people explain their encounters,it's still it overlaps with what would people
would consider a were wolf. Andso you got to think of, like
the lexicon at the time, ifpeople are having experiences, if dog man
wasn't really a term that was outthere, they're using the next closest thing

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that they can think of, whichwould be a were wolf. So with
what other sort of strange critters besidesdogmen or sasquatches or even ghosts. I
guess since you've had some tangential experienceswith those, or maybe even personal experiences
of those, what's of some ofthe odder the stranger Cryptid said, you've
had the pleasure of doing research on, Well, we had the Jersey Devil,

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which is quite an amalgamation of things. Even though when we did that,
we didn't do the typical aspect ofour documentaries like normally do. Like
we didn't go out and find witnessesto the Jersey Devil. We went into
a more historical aspect of things.But the Jersey Devil itself is pretty weird,
pretty weird creature. I don't know. We go into UFOs and those

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can get really weird as far asthe contact with aliens go on personal things,
not just small town monsters, butin other things that I've researched.
There's a story not too far fromhere about a pig lady. They can
they call her the pig Lady,and the idea is that she's a spirit

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that has a pig head and shemanifests every once in a while over near
not far from Colombiana County, Ohio, which isn't far from here. I'm
close to Pennsylvania. But these creaturesthat are the mix of things, like
right now I'm looking into goat mansightings, so the ones that are anthropomorphized

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a little bit, those are onesthat I find really interesting. Well,
allways, research you've done, likeyou know, you guys are looking at
like you know, like obviously monsters, like the scary aspects of a lot
of things. Have you personally doneany research for you, like you think
that this missing person case is attributableto you ENCRYPTID. No, I haven't
done any research that I've thought thishas got to be at related situation,

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not saying that it's not possible withcertain things, but I haven't come across
anything that's been like that. Notyet. Anyway, we haven't really gone
down I mean we did Land ofthe Missing, but I mean a lot
of people go missing in Alaska asfar as that goes, so it's hard
for me to say that that necessarilyattributed to ENCRYPTID. What do you think

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I think? I think that sasquatchesare definitely responsible for some missing people.
Not not a huge percentage, butyeah, like Alaska and Northern Canada,
I think it's the percentage of themthat are dangerous goes up considerably just because
of the the how rod is upthere and how I mean just bleak it
is and dead of winter, latewinter. I mean, those things are

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they got to eat and they werewalking around out there, so we'd probably
a pretty easy meal to grab.Times are tough. Yeah, if that
makes sense. Now, speaking ofsasquatches, you also have the pleasure of
living on or near, at leastat one point in your life a property
where sasquatches were frequent visitors. Yes, yeah, And the things have kind

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of quieted down on the farm,specifically because we had oil and gas pipelines
come in and cut down. Imean, I'm guessing that this is part
of the reason that it's died down. Cut down a large portion of the
woods and then dig up the ground, and things have quieted down over the
last year or so since they left. So I'm hoping that we get some

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activity again. But I don't knowif we were just lucky and that things
happened to be traveling through during thefew months that we were filming the Bigfoot
project or what. But that wasspecifically on the farm. But recently there
was a sighting actually in Carroll Countyon a road that if you remember when

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I took you out to where myparents live and we went out on the
woods there and we heard this howlor what sounded like a howl. There
was a sighting there recently, withinthe last couple of weeks actually on just
over the hill from there. Itwas on one of the roads that I
took you guys on when you werehere. So stuff is still happening in

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the area. No, I thinkthat was. I think that was how
I think that was one of them. It's like one of these rare,
not unheard of, but rare daytimevocalizations, and we just happened to have
had the cameras running at the time. I think that was a solid hit.
Yeah, that was. It waspretty awesome. But yeah, stuff
still happening there in that area forsure, because the sighting was a road

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crossing sighting. Oh yeah, Ithink that there are probably residents there,
you know, they're just the locals, you know. So but what about
that that other property where like Sethsaw one and all that other stuff.
How did that come on your rate? I mean, I know you lived
there for a while. I don'tknow if you still do or not.
How did that start? So thatwas family property and we had just moved

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there in August, I believe,and it was I don't remember what year
it was at this point, buta couple of years ago, but it
was August when we moved in,and I had a friend fly in from
she was in Oregon at the time, from Oregon to visit, and we
had gone out into the woods andshe wanted to do like a paranormal investigation,

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and she was getting uneasy in thewoods, so she made us go
out into the field. So whenwe were out in the field, I
just I was getting kind of boredbecause I'm like, this doesn't seem like
an investigation of any sort right now. I'm like, let's just let me
play this Ohio how that I've thatI've heard before on my phone, which

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was recorded in Columbiana County, justthe next county over. So I played
the howl and we got a returnhowel back And that was kind of the
beginning of that, And coupled withthe fact that when we first moved here,
this farm is on three hundred acresand it's a mix of fields and
woods. But what I would dowhen we first moved here was I would

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take different rocks and crystals and thingsand I hid them around the woods with
the idea that when my kids gotold and they were exploring, that they'd
find these little treasures. So afterwe had that experience with the howl,
I went back out to one ofthe places where I had kept my crystals,
and one of the crystals was goneand in its place was a vertebrae.

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I'm guessing a dear vertebrate based onthe size of it. And I
immediately called Seth and I'm like,you're not gonna believe what's going on here.
But you know, we had thishowl a few nights ago, and
now this crystal's gone and there's avertebrae in the plate in its place,
and I was already picking it upand looking at it, and he of
course was like, don't touch it. I'm like, too late. I

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already sorry. I already picked itup. But what would happen over the
next few weeks then, is thatthe different crystals and things they would get
moved, they wouldn't disappear like thatone. The one that disappeared was actually
gone for about a month, andthen it was returned in the exact same
place, except it was covered inmud, which was really weird. But

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well, I told Seth about this, and he said, well, let
me come out with a camera andsee what I can see. You know
what happens here, And that's howthe Bigfoot project was born, and especially
the very first episode. You cansee a lot of the activity that occurred
one of our first nights here,and I think that a lot of that
was attributed to the fact that wehad our kids at the back cabin,

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and I think that they were kindof interested and intrigued by what was going
on with the children, especially becausethat seemed to be one of the most
activity. Most active nights that wehad were when the kids would be around.
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyondwith Cliff and Bobo. We'll be
right back after these messages. Now, when you say the back cabin,

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is that the one that was onthe road, or there's another cabin pretty
far out by a little pond.Yeah, that cabin. That's that cabin,
the one that I'm talking about.It is the back cabin, the
one that's by the pond. That'swhere we had all of our activity.
That's a pretty good distance from themain house too, if I remember correctly,
Yeah, it is. I knowwhen I had an opportunity to visit,
I was doing the Ohio big FootConference a handful of years ago,

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and I was invited out by youall to come spend a few days out
there and do some filming and stuff. I don't I don't. Did you
ever use all that? I don'teven know. Yes, we did.
I was very impressed with the property. I mean, it's it's excellent Bigfoot
habitat for that part of the countryis very typical, you know, just
a mixture of huge, wide openfields with pockets of woods that are all

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kind of entertangled together with various youknow, green belts connecting this area to
that area, and deep ravines andjust rolling hills. It's pretty amazing stuff.
It was a really neat place tovisit. It's pretty nice out here.
I like the variation in the topography. And yeah, I liked when

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I when I took you out towhere I grew up, and you had
mentioned that it was like a boxcanyon type situation. I believe is the
terminology you used. Yeah, thatplace is squatchy as all get out.
That place is nuts like that.That's if I lived anywhere near there,
That's where I'd be going, youknow. Weekly. See I need to
get seth on that because he hasn'tgone and stayed the night out there yet.

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But I just go walk up duringthe day and look, you know,
just train yourself to track and starttuning your eyes. Just go out
there as much as you can.That one canyon that we walked up where
we happened to get that vocalization.I don't think you need to go anywhere
else. I mean, they're probablythey're not there all the time, obviously,
but they'd be there some of thetime. So I know, I
know Seth saw one on the property. Has anyone else observed a sasquatch on

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that big farm land that you liveon, No, not that I'm aware
of. If they did, itwas before we moved here. So I
saw that one while they were outfilming b roll and I was at the
main house watching the kids, andhe came back to the house. I
was just so excited about what he'dseen, and you could see a little

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bit was caught on film, butit was one of those situations where it
was far enough away that it justlooks like a little blob, you know,
going across the screen. But yeah, he was fortunate enough, and
as far as I know, theonly one that's seen anything here right now,
Small Town Monsters probably has a handfulof projects going. I know that
there's you know, Eli was justhere at the Museum a few weeks ago,

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film and some stuff for this thing. Yeah, I mean all the
minions are out doing whatever they do, and Seth included. I think Seth
himself is a minion. What's anexciting project that you're working on that you
can talk about, Well, weare working, like you said, we're
working on a handful right now.Or we're getting ready to go to North

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Carolina and film the next installation ofon the Trail of Bigfoot. This one's
going to be called The Ancients.So I can't talk about that one too
much in depth because primarily because wehaven't shot it yet. But that's the
one that's on my radar most heavilyat the moment. But we're also simultaneously
working on Cryptid goat Man, SoI'm still scouring for goat man encounters or

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storytellers who can tell us about goatman in the area, because that seems
to be something that is spread outthrough the United States. Everybody, every
state seems to have its own littlegoat man legend somewhere. And then we
had the Thomas Mantel project, whichis going to be called Lost Contact.
We're filming that in bits and piecesand that took place in Kentucky. Franklin,

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Kentucky's where Thomas Mantel crashed after chasinga UFO. He lost control of
the plane and ended up dying asa result of it. When was that
That was in nineteen forty eight.It's touted as the first one of the
first instances of the military going aftera UFO and then of course it unfortunately

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resulted in his death. But yeah, that was around Franklin, Kentucky is
where he passed away, And thatwas in nineteen forty eight, And we
just recently got back from a tripwhere we had interviewed some original witnesses actually,
so they were very young at thetime, but they remember the crash

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itself, and that was something veryinteresting. Is there plane wreckage still out
there in the woods somewhere? Sosupposedly the government came in and recovered everything.
But then there's also this story,like it's a there's two different stories.
One that the government came in andreclaimed everything, especially the large pieces,
Like there's no doubt that the largepieces of the plane were recovered and

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taken somewhere, probably right Patterson AirForce Base, but we're not sure.
But then there's another story that largesections of it, like the little pieces
of debris and stuff, but stilla decent amount we're just put into a
pit and buried, and so we'retrying to find out if that's true as
well. I like the historical stuff. Some of my favorite things that are

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done out there are the researches thatare tangentile to you know, in my
case, sasquatch or whatever weird thingyou're into. But when it touches on
history like that and there's remnants kindof left behind for people, you know,
I think that's probably one of thecoolest things about this kind of work
at least. Yeah, that's Imean, even something like when we did
the Bell Witch. It was interestingbecause the bell Witch story is still being

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talked about, but you can goand see the remnants of the homestead where
the Bell family lived. Even thoughthat story was from the early eighteen hundreds,
you can still see bits and piecesof it. And I agree.
I love when you can correspond thesestories with some stuff that's left in modern
day. It kind of brings historyhome a little bit. It kind of
grounds it into our own lives andconnects us because really history wasn't that long

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ago, you know, like eighteenhundred wasn't really that long ago when it
comes down to it. But youknow, for for at least my sake,
and I'm assuming a couple of ourlisteners as well, can you tell
us about the Bell Witch? Sure? So, in eighteen seventeen, in
a place that's now known as Adams, Tennessee, it's in Robertson County,
Tennessee, there was a family thathad recently moved from North Carolina, the

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Bell family, and they lived ina cabin on a nice area of farmland.
And one day the patriarch or thefamily, John Bell, was out
checking the fields and he saw supposedlythis creature that was half dog half rabbit,
as in it had a dog's body, but the head of a rabbit

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disturbed him. He shot at itdisappeared so and it's not clear whether it
just like disappeared in a puff ofsmoke or if it ran away or whatnot,
but either way, he didn't killit. Shortly after that happened,
his children started to see weird thingslike oversized birds, odd things out in
the fields as well, and prettysoon they all started hearing like scratching on

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the walls of the cabin, gnawingon the bedpost at night, and of
course we're talking the early eighteen hundreds, so it's not like they had electricity
at the time. They would lighttheir candles or lanterns to see what was
making the sounds, and whenever thelights would come on, then the sounds
would stop. This went on forquite some time until they started to invite
people over, like the neighbor,to try to help them figure out what

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was going on. And they invitedthe one neighbor, James Johnson, over
and he started to hear these sounds, and he out loud had demanded that
whatever this thing was creating these sounds, that it let itself be known.
Once he kind of demanded that,then whispers started, just disembodied whispering,
and eventually the whispering became clear enoughthat it started talking. And this entity

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starts explaining that it's there to punishJohn Bell, and it doesn't care for
John Bell, never explains why,just says that it's there to punish him,
and subsequently does continue to torture himover the next few years, and
his daughter, Betsy Bell, theoldest daughter, tortures the family gives so

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many sleepless nights, it becomes quitea story. People come from all over
the country to experience the Bell Witchbecause people would come in and they'd let
neighbors and strangers come in and stayon their property, and they would actually
experience the voices and things moving acrossthe room and whatnot, you know,

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typical poltergeist activity. And this wenton until December twentieth of eighteen twenty.
John Bell had been getting ill andhad gotten worse and worse, and on
the twentieth he did not awaken,and next to his bed they found a
vial of dark liquid that was halfempty, and the witch, supposedly her

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voice, came out and said thatshe had fixed him that night. She
made sure that he was dead,that was her doing, and sure enough
he was gone. The story goesthat to figure out what the what the
was in the vial, they tooka drop of it and gave it to
the cat, and the cat subsequentlydied as well, so they knew that
it was poison. But she sangand carried on and was very joyous at

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his funeral as well, and thenext spring made sure that Betsy knew that
Betsy could not continue on with herengagement that she was in at the time
with a man named Joshua Gardner.She kind of threatened Betsy and said,
if you continue down this path,you know, remember what I did to
your dad, The same thing willhappen to your fiance. So she breaks

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the engagement with him and then endsup marrying somebody else and eventually moves away.
But in a nutshell, that's thestory of the Bell which it goes
on from eighteen seventeen to eighteen twentyone, and supposedly she comes back around
eighteen twenty six and talks to theoldest Bells son, John Bell Junior,
and gives him predictions of the future, like predicts World War one and World

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War two, and just reminds meof it. Not her damis in a
way as far as her predictions go. But then she disappears. She was
supposed to come back in one hundredand seven years, and as far as
we know, she never really cameback. But the story is that she
still can be irritated and agitated andhaunts the area today, but not in

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the same way that she did withthe family. She's not killing anybody by
any means, but she will getupset if disrespected. Well, I get
that irritation thing. People can bepretty hard sometimes. So the podcast,
how did that start? Because you'redoing it and I didn't even know about
it, and I've just seen everyoneswile on Twitter or something like that,
and oh, look at that.How many episodes in are you? We're

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over forty episodes in at this point. We did have to take a break.
We started it a couple of yearsago, and then we had to
take a break because we lost ourshowrunner. So until we got somebody else
to come in and kind of producethe episodes, all of the podcasts and
the network kind of took a breakfor about a year. Did the Witch
get them? Yes, yep,exactly. He had. He was disrespectful

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and so but yeah, we're fortythree episodes in at this point, I
believe. Yeah. And the ideastarted with Seth had said he wanted to
come up with some new shows,and I threw out the idea of the

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lore you know is based on themore you know? Yeah, thank you,
and he said, yeah, let'smake it an interview show and bring
people on and talk to them,and so that's what it is. It's
a story a Storyteller's podcast, storytellersand folkloris. I like to just talk

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to people about stories and ask them. At the end of each episode,
I said, can you tell mea story and see what they've got.
So the rest of the time wetalk about, well, what they're what
they have done, their personal experiences, and the encounters that they have had.
Because it still is an STM podcast, so it is related to you
know, Bigfoot or Mothman or anyof these cryptids that we've covered, and

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or the paranormal or their researchers thatmaybe didn't have personal experiences but have had
plenty of stories told to them bypeople, and so we we dive into
that for the episode, and thenat the end I asked them to tell
me one of their stories. Sohere's a question for you. Would you
rather be trapped in a house withSeth or Eli for one week? Oh?

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My, for a week? Can'tleave? All your groceries are there?
That's I guess the Geneva conventions.Well, Eli will hate that.
It probably Seth because listen, I'vebeen trapped with Eli in places and if
I have, like you're talking abouta week's worth of groceries. The groceries
wouldn't last. Eli would just eatthem all. Oh he's a grown boy
man. Yeah, Seth would atleast share where would like when we were

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in Alaska the first night that Elijoined us, I had leftovers in the
fridge and the next morning they weregone because Eli had been hungry and just
went in. He didn't even knowwho they were. He just ate leftovers.
Awesome as whoop. Yeah, SoI'd probably stay with Steth for the

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week over Eli. But Eli's greattoo. You just got to watch your
food, That's all, you know. We featured Eli and the most recent
museum member video. He came out, he was filming whatever he was doing
or whatever. We went out becausesomebody heard vocalizations the night before at this
place up by Lolo pass Road thata lot of stuff happens up there.
So we went up there and walkedaround in the snow and it was terrible

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and stuff. But I'll tell youwhat, man, The thing about Eli,
I respect, and I respect likeall the small town monsters. People
are great, you know. Don'tget me wrong. There's not one of
you that I don't enjoy spending timewith. Every one of you guys.
Great. I don't know how howany of you guys got so lucky to
be involved in such a wonderful Muppetproduction like you do. You know.
But the thing about Eli that Irespect or anything is that it's the poncho

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and the hat. Uh huh.Yeah, Like I couldn't wear that.
Bubba, Well, Bubba might beable to, but I couldn't pull that
off. Yeah, neither. It'sEli thing for sure. I've got photos
back in the eighties pulling that off, no problem, do you. Yeah,
well, tell me about that.The group of guys like Health,
we always buy ponchos down when wewent to Baja. We always get ponchos

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because we love the good, thebad, the like all those Clint Swood
movies where you wore the poncho.Sure so yeah, the Hiarachi's surf trucks.
I speak on behalf of all ofour listeners that we demand to see
those pictures as soon as Bottle Ican find I can find some. Oh
my god, I would love thatshe didn't Jackie live. Stay tuned for

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more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff andBogo. We'll be right back after these
messages. What's next for you there? Heather, like, what's going on?
Like, what are you looking forwardto next? I know you're working
on a lot of things, butit has to be a lot more than
a work for you. I mean, you must enjoy this sort of thing.

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What's really got you going right now? What are you extoked about?
Well, I'm really excited about monsterfests coming up for one, just to
hopefully we have a turnout like wedid last time. So I'm excited about
that coming up. But I amreally jazzed about this ancient shoot to get
back to the area around Cherokee,North Carolina. That's a place that I

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got to visit a lot whenever Iwas younger, but i haven't been there
in quite some time. So I'mexcited to go back there. And that's
pretty much the next big the bigthing to look forward to for me.
Are you usually on the shoot?Are usually out in the field with everybody?
I'm usually on the shoot. Itdepends on the situation as so whether
I'm out in the field or ifI'm back at the Airbnb helping conduct interviews,

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because sometimes sets out in the fieldand so I'm the one to running
the interviews back at the pat thehouse. Else so it just depends on
this particular shoot. I'm still gettingthe schedule together. It looks like there's
going to be at least a coupleof days where I will be running the
interviews while Seth is out in thefield. And how many days does it
take to make a standard feature?And your features are about an hour,

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aren't they? Yeah, they're anywherefrom like eighty to ninety minutes on average.
Oh so okay, it's an hourand a half or so. Then
okay, and how long does ittake to shoot all that on average?
I know that everyone's different, youknow, And I know that. Yeah,
Well, for the larger project likethis one is going to be about
a five day shoot where we're tryingto get them shorter and shorter, so

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just because it's harder to get awayfrom the kids for longer shoots, like
once upon a time when we didAlaska, we were there for seventeen days,
and that's just not realistic anymore withour little ones. Do you guys
ever have stuff happening at base campwhen you're filming out like on the Bigfoot
stuff, especially throughout the woods,and like they're out filming in the was,

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like you're back at base camp,you know, like organizing stuff.
Do you guys ever have something happeninglike rocks thrown or knocks or whoops or
anything like that. Uh, thathasn't happened too often. I mean Set's
been out and had some things happenwhen he's out in the field, But
as far as like with the restof us, no, we haven't.
Really. The most that's occurred backat base camp would have been more like

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paranormal type stuff, which everybody dismisses. It seems like except me, what
have happened paranormal base camp? Whenlike, what were your filming where we've
had things like it sounds like doorsslamming or people walking upstairs or something like
that when there's no one else inthe house and everybody just kind of shrugs
it off or oh, it musthave been whatever and they don't really want

(47:47):
to talk about it. But wherethey just look at me and kind of
shake their head like it's your fault. Yeah, like somehow it's my fault,
or oh, you're just gonna takethis and run with it or whatever.
But I'm like, listen, I'mnot. It's not like I dropped
everything and say Okay, guys,let's investigate. I just kind of like
like that something happened and we moveon. But I just sometimes I wish
that more would occur so that wewouldn't have so many naysayers on the crew

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with paranormal stuff. But does thatsuck that you're with people that don't like
that you're working on a project likethat. They didn't think it's real,
right if we're doing paranormal stuff,they're totally out on that, it seems
like for the most part. Andwe don't really get to work on paranormal
stuff very often, but when wedo, it's a lot of the people
on the crew are not too keenon that. I feel like I should

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apologize to you for that. Boboapology accepted. Well, Heather, we're
just about out of time here.And so if people want to check out
what you're doing, what Small TownMonsters in general is up to why your
podcast of course is a great thing. So you can for people to listen
to because they can hear directly fromyour mouth the things you think and the
things you've investigated and talked to peopleabout called the lor you know work and

(48:57):
people can get that. Probably thesame podcast platfor they listen to this one
right absolutely, and small Town Monsters. Are you guys still exclusively on YouTube?
No, we do have a lotof our stuff on YouTube, of
course, but we you can findus on two B. You can find
our movies on Amazon. We actuallyare getting ready to launch something called Unexplained

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TV, which will be a fastchannel that certain distributors will be picking up
and then it'll just be a channelthat you can turn to that's just STM
all the time, twenty four hoursa day. So if people keep a
watch on Small Town Monsters or anewsletter whenever that comes out to different platforms,
we'll put that out there and peoplecan watch Small Town Monsters twenty four

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hours a day. Holy crap.Congratulations on all the progress forward. You
know, clearly I'm way out oftouch. You guys are just everywhere.
So congratulations to you and the entireteam. That's fantastic. Thanks other I
appreciate you showing up. Let's beena little more spooky and creepy in the
members section. Coming up now,we'll do a bonus episode here for our

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Patreon members. All right, folks, Well, thanks to Heather Moser for
joining us and We're gonna get alittle creepy with her in the beyond Bigfoot
Beyond for our members, So untilnext week, y'all, keep it beyond
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