Ep. 263 - Q&A - May, 2024

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Bubo fay By Cliff, Yes,Bobo, what's going on? All sorts
of stuff, you know, gettingready for a new podcast episode that's pretty
exciting. Other than that, themuseum's kind of humming along. It's a
little slow today, but you know, for the most part, we're kind
of humming along. Getting ready togo to Ohio this weekend for the Ohio
Bigfoot Conference. Oh yeah, gota corporate gig next week. So yeah,

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there's all sorts of stuff happening asusual. Went out of the woods
earlier in the week, but foundsome footprints that was not fight U some
footprints and went out and found someothers. We'll talk more about that on
the members episode. But yeah,it's been a very very active sort of
week for me. Cool big footstuff like in the field. Yeah yeah,
those footprints up there, yeah,great stuff. Man. It was

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very very close to where those guyssaw the Sasquatch on January twenty fifth,
just three months ago. Oh,rad, Yeah, yeah, so I
can't wait to tell you a littlebit more about that. So yeah,
but we'll be doing that on themembers episode. And that's part of the
benefit of being a member, ofcourse, of Bigfoot and Beyond is that
you get to hear all the skinnyfrom all of us. You know what
we're really up to, and there'sa little bit less editing going on in

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there. And of course I guessthe big, big, big bonus for
being a member of Bigfoot and Beyondis that you get to listen to these
regular episodes with zero commercials. That'szero, zero none. Well, I
do like our commercials. Well yeah, that's but you're also a member,
aren't you, Bobo, so youcan listen to it with commercials and then
later without I go with, well, I recommend maybe just doing with commercials

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in one ear and then without inthe other ear. That's the wrong way
to do it, yeah, kindof stereo, you know, in a
way, it'll it'll be out ofphase. That's gonna that's gonna mess up
by in one ear out the other. Plan on Cliff, I didn't think
about that, but you see thatyou think everything Bobo. Yeah, thinker
boy, Yeah, you are athinker AnyWho. It is a Q and

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A episode here. We're kind ofexcited about this one. We really enjoy
the Q and a's is a niceway to interact. There are some technical
difficulties. We won't be playing anyof the voice recordings. We're gonna save
those for next time. So we'rejust gonna go written questions today. But
if you are dying to hear whatCliff and Bobo have to say about one
of your questions, you can submitthem. You can do so with a

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voicemail or a an email. Iguess all you have to do is go
to Big Thing and Beyond podcast dotcom, hit the contact button and there
will be your option right in frontof You can either type alway a question
for us, or you can recordyour voicemail for us and you can hear
your voice on the air and withour lightly heckling to follow. Yeh,

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well, we got we got somethingright here, dude. From our man
Cody Polly the Legend Nice Tody Polly. Yeah, Yeah, Hey Boa,
did you actually eat the pig's eyeballin the Santa Cruz episode of Finding Bigfoot?
Absolutely? Yeah, I've eaten.I've eaten those several times. I've
eaten them in Hawaii too. Whatdo they taste like? Nothing? Really,
I mean nothing bad. They're supergood. They're super nutritious, like

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they're really good for you. Iimagine they It tastes like nondescript meat pretty
much. Yeah, it's kind astrange texture. When do you think it's
an eyeball? It's kind of gross, but I just think it's just whatever.
It's not so bad. Yeah,that's what I wanted to ask you
about. There is the texture prettypretty like I don't know what would be

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the word pretty, tough, sinewy, or what would be the adjective you
would use there? It was Iguess fibrous. Fibrous That makes sense because
I've heard of fiber optics. Itwas squishy, but I mean it wasn't
like it wasn't like a It wasmore solid than a grape, but it
was grape like. Did it stillhave the the aqueous solution inside? Yeah,

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well kind of it was. Mostof it's boiled out, but there's
some there's some liquid in there.Did it pop in your mouth kind of?
Yeah? Really? Those are flavorcrystals. Oh yeah, it's good
by me. I just could Ijust can't see eating an eyeball moving macho.
Yeah, I know, well therewas a joke in there, so
anyway, I just can't see eatingan eyeball. Yeah yeah, never mind

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this Cliff in his lonely humorous world. Is that some grateful dead reference?
No, no, just I can'tsee eating an eyeball. Oh God,
how can I miss that? Damn? I feel that way every time I
say any joke, And it's notjust about it, not not about you,
because you get You've been around melong enough, you get almost all
my jokes, which is, youknow, tip of the hat to you.

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But you know, when I'm outthere in the real world whatever that's,
whatever that is, you know,flinging these things left and right,
I just feel like nobody gets it. Pearls before swine, pearls before swine
eyeballs. I love I love itwhen people don't get it. When you're
joking, you say something great,they don't, none of them get it.
But then sometimes I get kind ofa little upset about it, like,
damn it, he fools. Ikind of like it because jokes.

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Then suddenly, not only did Isay a great joke, but the joke's
also on them because they didn't getit right. But that's my I guess
that's my arrogance. But I hitit when you're hanging out with someone that's
kind of like downber than you orless experienced whatever, and you you make
a joke and that like it's obviouslyif you're being like facetious or sarcastic,
and they're like, oh no,they talk to me like you're a moron,

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Like they just don't get it.Yeah, well, you know,
we we uh. It's my opinionthat we only really see ourselves in the
world, so it makes sense thatpeople might speak to others as a moron,
you know. Yeah, let's goto the next questions from John Gayrett
Garrett Garrett G E. H R. E. T. Garay. I

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don't know, but anyway, John, I got that part right, Hi,
Cliff and Bobo. There are afew people who have studied the Patterson
Gimlin film who are not novices,by the way, who claim that there
is good evidence that the casts madeby Patterson and Titmus were not from the
line of footprints made by Patty inthe film. I've been following information about

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Bigfoot in general over the course ofmy life. And this is the first
I've heard of this allegation. Ihave my own opinion on this, but
I want to know what you twothink. Is there any evidence good or
if he or maybe is that thiscould be the case? Thanks Walther Dash
Yes, nonsense, that's complete nonsense. Whoever this person is that that has

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that is not a novice, sureis acting like one, because there literally
is a film of the trackway youcan find. I know Bobby Short's website
Bigfoot, what is that Bigfoot encountersdot com. I think it's called.
Yeah, Bobby's dead, of course, but like her website still up,
and it is a treasure trove ofinformation, and much of it is correct,

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not all of it. She hadsome opinions and she changed some things
around from and I understand from thefactual wait it initially happened and whatever else.
But most of her evidence, mostof the stuff on her website's actually
pretty good. But one of thethings that is on her website is a
very very small and short snippet fromthis the lost second Reel, The Patterson

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Gimlin. Officionados in our listenership wouldof course know that There were two reels.
The first reel is mostly b rollfrom when Roger and Bob are tripping
around and Bluff Creek for those twoweeks or something like that before they got
the film. The last fifty eightseconds or so is the Sasquatch, and
the film role actually ran out whilethey were filming the Sasquatch, you know,

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like they sort of like upp flippingaway there, and that's why they
stopped filming. Because that's what thequestions all bigfoot researchers should ask whenever they
see a big foot piece of footage, a footy, you know, big
footage, is why did they stopfilming? In Roger's case, the thing
that they ran out of film?Okay, So then after the sasquatching away,

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Roger went under a blanket, asaddle blanket, and changed into the
second role, and then they filmedBob jumping off a log, They filmed
the trackway, they filmed god knowswhat else. We don't know because that
film role is lost, just likethe original first role is. It's also
lost. But the second role islost, and they're no copy was made
of it, but there is alittle snip it out there on Bobby Short's

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website, maybe Matt Prue can puta link somewhere or something, I don't
know. And it shows a seriesof footprints in the ground that are clearly
from the Patterson Gimlin film subject.And one of the footprints has plaster in
it. And if my memory serves, and I'm pretty good about the footprints
stuff, maybe not everything else,I believe it's the right foot. See

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Roger and Bob cast a right footand a left foot at the scene that
day, on the twentieth of October, and they chose the cleanest, clearest,
most beautiful print because back then theywere looking for what does the bottom
of the foot look like? Sothere is actually evidence that that Roger and
Bob cast from that line of tracts. Unless somebody wants to go on to
say that that that that piece offootage is not from that day, that's

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a hard argument to make because itis a recognizable footprint of the Patterson GM
film subject. So whoever is sayingthis nonsense is spew and nonsense. There
is evidence that those tracks Roger andBob left and right that you're talking about,
I'm assuming came from that trackway.Now, of course, let's fast
forward a little bit. Lyle Labortyforest cruiser at the time. He went

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on later to work in the higherlevels of government. He stumbled across the
site the following Monday. Roger andBob filmed it on a Saturday. Then
Yle Laborties stumbled up upon the siteon Monday and found cowboy boot tracks and
horse tracks and the trackway of thesasquatch. He photographed. I think he
took four photographs of three prints.There's a duplicate print in there. Those

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same prints, or two of thoseprints, if I remember correctly, were
cast by Bob Tipmas night or sevendays after that. Bob came to the
site nine or ten days after thefilming event and cast ten footprints regardless of
quality, Okay, just ten footprintsin a row, no matter how good

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or bad they were. He castall of them in a row. And
that is a fantastic trackway, bythe way, All all those I mean
all the series of tracks I shouldsay casts specifically, and two of those
footprints that Lyle Laverty photographs on thatfollowing Monday were cast by Bob. So

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I mean, yeah, there isevidence. There is good evidence in my
opinion, the stories that these peopletold of their events of finding the tracks
or casting in Bob Bob's case,or a Roger and Bob doing their thing
on that day. It all matchesup. It all matches up. There's
photographic evidence on top of it,there's cast evidence that matches the photographs.
So I don't know who this guyis is saying that that that doesn't even

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matter who this person is. They'reincorrect, you know, in a basket
quality other research. Perhaps you shouldn'tlisten anymore. Well, one of the
skeptical arguments that I think this personis referring to people have speculated or hypothesized
that Patterson filmed the Sasquatch quote unquoteSasquatch earlier and that it was developed and
you know, maybe that there weremultiple takes, and so once the take

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was selected, that they subsequently wentdown there and fabricated those tracks, and
then the event they came out withthe Ben Stirrup made a bunch of phone
calls, Hey, this happened downhere, and so that's that's the sort
of genesis. I'm assuming that Johnis referring to the genesis of that particular
theories that people think that he filmedthat some weeks prior to October twentieth,

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once he had selected the best takeand knew what the final product would look
like. That then he subsequently wentfabricated those tracks, photographed that fabrication,
and then fabricated coming out of there, you know, staged acted it out
that oh this happened, go look, and subsequently people go down there and
look at it. So I thinkthat's why so many people pay such scrutiny

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to the film to see if youcan see any of the tracks in the
actual film being made by the subjectitself. Well, it sounds like a
bunch of who That's a much ofwho ha too, isn't it? Maybe
because the people who did go tothe site, I mean, Daniel Perez
interviewed Lyle Laberty, I think twiceat least once. I know at least
once, and he commented about seeingthe trackway and he had commented about seeing

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Roger and Bob's prince everywhere. Weknow that's the site. I mean,
you can identify trees in the background, we know the location where it happened.
Yeah, it just sounds like abunch of who haw to me,
And it's like one of these thingsyou look at the you go down these
rabbit holes and then you start believinganything, and it's just I don't know,
but you know, I'm going tosay something fairly controversially at this point,

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it's like, haven't we had enoughman at the PG film, Let's
go get another one. I feelthat way very often, Like it wouldn't
bother me if we never discussed itever. Again, It's great, I
love it, it's cool, butI mean, it keeps giving information and
stuff. But at some point,man, just stop trying to ring that
sponge of any more water and goget another one. So there you go,
John, I mean, I don'tknow what evidence this guy's talking about.

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There seems to be plenty of evidencethat supports the claims of both Roger
and Bob and Lyle Labberty and Bobtitmuss and you know, think about it.
John Green was at the site backin June, you know, the
following June and sixty eight. Heand whoever was with him at the time,
who was that that was, Yeah, McLaren. Yeah, those guys
saw the footprints in the ground.You know, they were still there.

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They weren't distinct, but they werestill there even after the winner. So
I don't know, man, Imean, all these people say the same
thing. All these people were singingthe same song. I think that's the
right tune. Man. I don'tknow what evidence that this other guy's come
up with and doesn't seem to bevalid to me. So thank you John
for that question. Stay tuned formore Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.

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Will be right back after these messages. So here we go orfa Frank.
On a personal level, how willyour lives change when this proof is
produced? Do you continue hunting,open a sanctuary? How will the site
change? I think once discovered asreal, Bigfoot will be in danger,

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mostly from the forces of capitalism,greed, novelty, human stupidity. What
are your thoughts on this and howdo you think Bigfoot will respond? It
thinks to make some good points.Yeah, I mean, it might be
the worst thing that ever happened tohim. It might not be. I
mean I could see it going bad. I could see it going good or
mixed. It's probably gonna be amix. You know. It's going to
be good for him in some waysand bad for them and others. Yeah,

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I don't really see my life changingvery much, because they're already real,
you know. I live like they'realready real because they are. I
bet the museum does a little bitbetter. I think that'll be kind of
cool. But at the same time, like, how will my life change,
Probably not very much. I'll beexcited to see, you know,

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the at geodocumentary on sasquatches. That'llbe cool. I will continue going out
there and doing my best to gatherevidence and learn about them. And since
I am associated with an institution,you know, the the NABC, the
museum here, as small and pittallyas we are, we are an institution.
I'm hoping that maybe we can contributeor at least continue to contribute to

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the cause, you know, tothe cause of learning about these animals.
You know. I think that's goingto be a big part of what we
do in the future, because I'mnot going to stop walking the roads and
looking for footprints. The only differenceis that when I find something, there's
going to be a small group ofbiologists that care, and that's the only
thing that's going to change. Butthat doesn't affect my life except that I
have somebody to show. Yeah,So that's kind of what I'm thinking.

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I don't think that I'm gonna havea drastic change to my life in any
way, really, because they arereal. Yeah, so I don't think
my life is going to change anydrastic way. I'm going to continue doing
what we do. The NBC isgoing to continue as is, and uh,
I guess that I can start learningfrom professional scientists about it and putting
my data in front of them fortheir interpretation. So that'll be cool.

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Yeah. If sasquatches exist, thenthey are already being endangered by all of
the forces that were mentioned in thequestion, and so I would think that
discovering them, recognizing whatever their habitatrequirements might be protecting those habitats would be
the only intervention to that. Yeah, and really we could, we could
be doing that now, but itjust wouldn't have the force of, you

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know, possibly endangered animal, especiallyone as unique and unusual as a sasquatch
is. So I have a bigadvocate of protecting public land because I know
that that's the only way we canindirectly protect the sasquatch at this point.
By trying to curb pollution and pavingand whatever else. I don't think road
building, bothers them a bit.I don't think loogging really bothers them so

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much. I don't think any ofthe normal sort of uses of land bother
them very much. I think pavingis really about it that we can do
to really screw them up. ButI could be wrong about that, and
I look forward to learning more afterthey're recognized as a species. Yeah,
like that ild classic saying what's thesmartest animal on earth? The one that's
had to be discovered by man?Yep here here they're there. All Oh,

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thanks for that question orfa on tothe next question. The next one
comes from RJ. Spelled like itsounds, by the way. Greetings,
Cliff, Bobo, and Matt.I have a question for you gentlemen today.
Since bigfoot live off an all naturaldiet in the wild, do you
believe pesticides off of orchard fruits pickedby bigfoot or gifted fruits and veggies would

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have any adverse effect on the creatureAnd do you think organic gifting is a
better option. Yes, they definitelyprefer organic. I've talked to a lot
of them, you know, leaveout food gifts, you know, and
they they won't touch like sprayed applesor pears or but I mean in some
places they want they have no otherchoice, but they'll go for the organic

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every time. I think if they'reopportunistic and they get the opportunity to,
whether it's rating crops or farms ororchards or whatever the case may be,
that's going to constitute such an infinitesimallysmall part of their overall diet, even
for a given individual. I don'tknow that it would matter very much.
Oh yeah, I don't thin it'sgoing to affect their health too much.
I mean just I think they justthey don't like the taste. Who doesn't

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like the taste of organic better,you know, usually, But if they
were eating like entirely fruit that wascultivated by humans, then maybe. But
I would assume, you know,if these animals exist and they're the size
that people describe that, you know, the way that they make anti venom,
as I understand it is they'll injectsnake venom into something very large,
like a horse, because there's aper unit of blood sort of ratio,

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and so the horse produces antibodies.They extract those antibodies and that's anti venom.
And so if you have an eighthundred pound animal or something of that
nature that's occasionally eating a bit ofthat fruit. I don't know the pesticide
would be enough to have an adverseeffect on something that large. Oh no,
No, I don't think I wouldn't. I'm just saying I think they're
taste buds. They don't like it. At this point, If if conservation

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is the goal, if you couldsuccessfully gift to sasquatch anything, I would
say, anything's on the table,whether it's a zagnat bar or pancakes slathered
in sugary syrup or whatever the casemay be, and they'll definitely, yeah,
they like that stuff. But Imean, like I know people that
you know, like I said,like I got too expensively keep bringing them
organic food that they bring them conventionalyou know, spread like Safeway stuff and

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it's like you know, the treatedchemicals and pesticides, and said, yeah,
they wouldn't they would. I've heardthat from several people that like you
know, trustworally long term witnesses thathave you know, have a gifting spot,
and they said they wouldn't take thethe after they had organic for years,
they wouldn't take the regular stuff.Well, if we look at the
body of claims of people who claimto have given sasquatches food and the sasquatches

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have taken it voluntarily. The onesthat are associated with the people of high
caliber, high reputation, and who'vecollected evidence, And again the evidence is
subjective. There's no proof yet,but for the sake of the argument,
like all of those have to dowith usually like enriched white flour products,
sweet feed, and or in boththose cases, a lot of sugar.

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I haven't seen anyone produce any evidenceassociated with the taking of like organic things.
So I think we're weighing all thoseclaims. It seems like, well,
if you really wanted to gift themsomething that would keep them coming back,
you've got to give them something theycan't get in the natural world,
and sugar is one of those things, because the highest concentration of sugar in
the natural world is honey, andyou're not going to get a lot of
it at a time, and it'snot going to be very easy to get

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either. And so I don't know. I'm sure that there are people who
claim that they have a preference fororganic fruit over other fruit, but I
would ask, you know, where'swhere's the beef? So to speak?
Not that there's again there's no proofout there yet, but the people who
have produced evidence from repeat visitation scenarioswhere food was involved, it's usually again

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zagnet bars, pancakes, honey buns, ho hos like all these terrible things.
And or sweet sweet feed. Sweetfeed is the thing I've heard the
most. Or cook meat. Idon't know, I just, I just
I can't think of Sasquatch as havingthat discriminating them a palette, honestly.
I mean, they're eating roadkill andstuff. I don't think they have much.
I don't think they care about much, you know, except for getting

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those calories in their in their gullet. You know, but who knows,
who knows? Maybe they do care. Maybe you can taste all that stuff,
But I don't know. Haven't Iheard something about eating peaches whole or
something like that, Just like,yeah, yep, I've heard that.
I mean, I see the waysochy Gulfstown food. I'm thinking, how
do you How do you know youeven like the taste of meat if you're
eating it like that? You know, they maybe the same way. My

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absolute favorite Sasquatch claim of all time, which I do not think is true,
but is nonetheless hilarious involves eating peaches, and it's definitely best told off
the air, so maybe we'll tellit in the member section. There's another
teasertrons there you go. So Idon't know, RJ. Does that answer
your question? I hope so,because that's all you're getting. Oh it's
my joying, Okay. Matthew Hoskinswrites loved the podcast and of course the

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show in season five, episode seven, is a yetti dance a real cultural
thing? Or was Lakfa, theSherpa and Bobo just making it up or
as they went along they did havea yetti dance, but I was just
kind of making my part up.Well, I was. I was doing
their part, but I had likea like a slip disc in my back

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at the time, so I washad that big infection in my leg,
so I wasn't dancing too smooth.Yeah. I don't know if I have
anything to add on that since Iwasn't there that day. Yeah, they
well, they had the Shirpa danceand the Yetti dance. They had like
two dances, and those guys wouldparty that they you know, they lived
their beer and like their nepolie moonshinewhich was I don't know what it was,
but they put it in diesel useddiesel cans, so it tasted like

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diesel. But we like, uhwe you know, I subtle mettion with
those guys. They would dance thesame song, the same dance over and
over for hours every night, andthey never got sick of it, and
they just laugh and sing and dance. It's it's it's really cool, but
it's like, man, how canyou do that to the same songs,

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like two songs over and over andover. They loved it. We must
have told the story at some pointon the air, how you were accused
of causing floods Bobo. Yeah,we talked about it, did we?
Okay, yeah that's what I thought. Well, I angered a goddess.
Yeah, exactly is your fault thata flood happened. That's kind of cool.
I pissed off a few goddesses.You're a force of nature. Yeah,

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what you probably even know? Doyou have notes on this stuff for
it? Like we talked about whatepisodes and that's probably not just my institutional
memory. I couldn't tell you whatepisode specifically something was, unless it was
maybe from A Q and A becauseI organized those together and so I could
search those in my email by date. But otherwise I could tell you if
something was discussed before or not,but I couldn't necessarily tell you what episode

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it was. I think it wasan early Bobo story time. Yeah,
I know that we did an episodespecifically about YETI oriented things, or maybe
just that trip in particular, Butno, we have talked about that on
here before. It might have beentoo when we had Chad hammel On.
I think you guys told some ofthe stories from that trip and the people
with like the makeshift guns. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we definitely told

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the story on here in depth,indeed indubitably. So. Yeah, but
that is where I heard the Yeti. That's why I heard the Yeti vocalizations
was doing the ship. But duringthe Yedi dance is when it after I
did some big Foot calls, iswhen we got the return Yeti call,
which was totally different, totally differentsound. Well, there you go.

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I hope that answers the question.Matthew. Okay, the next question looks
like this comes from a Teresa Kozik. We've all heard the accounts of how
fast Bigfoot can run. I wonderwhy Patty didn't take off full speed.
Do you think she was trying tolure the four horsemen away from a juvenile
that was hiding four horsemen? Actually, there were only two people at the
site. You might maybe maybe it'san error here, but the four horsemen,

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of course, refers to John Green, Reneeda Hinden, Rover Krantz,
and who I'm missing, Peter Burn, who were kind of the four early
bigfoot researchers that everybody kind of lookedto. So those are the four horsemen,
kind of named after four horsemen ofthe Apocalypse. We did a show
recently about that. So but justto be clear, though, there were

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only two people at the scene whenPatty was observed, and they were both
on horses, so maybe she beentrying to lure the two horsemen away.
But nonetheless, just to clear thatup, just in case treesa some confusion
about why we call these people horsemen. Different situation there. I wonder why
Patty didn't take off full speed.I don't think she needed to. I
think that after the initial encounter,which was probably less than twenty five or

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thirty feet away, and the horsesreared back, Roger was thrown off,
Bob was getting control of the horse. I think she kind of watched all
hell break loose and like the pandemoniumthat was ensuing, and just kind of
quickly walked away because there wasn't aneed to do anything else. And if
you look at the way the directionshe walked, people said atam she didn't

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run into the woods. Well,actually what she did is she immediately put
an obstacle between her and Roger andBob. She put that big root,
like the big woodpile thing that wesee in the film. She went behind
that and then walked directly away insteadof going into the woods. And I
think that was probably a better escaperoute for her than going up into the

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mountains into the brush at that point, because it looks like it's right there,
but it's not. It's a littleways back. I think that what
she did makes a lot of sensefor her situation. Now, could there
have been another one around? Yeah, absolutely there could have been. There's
no visual evidence of that, althoughlots of people have said there are,
but I don't go chasing blob squatches. I don't believe any of that.

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There are. As far as anyonecan tell, there was one sasquatch in
that film. All those dark shadowsand stuff like that in the woods behind
her are almost certainly just dark shadowsin the woods behind her, not Bigfoot
faces. And you know, BobGimlin hiding and doing all this other nonsense
that these people think. Man,you start the film long enough, you're
gonna start seeing all sorts of thingsthat are not there. And as proof

(27:34):
of that, just go look onlinefor what people say about it. It's
a shame that no one thought tointerview the horses. I know, could
animal psycha. He'll do it right. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond
with Cliff and Bogo. Will beright back after these messages. This next

(27:59):
one comes from Michael Wolf, Hey, Cliff and Bobo. I was looking
at the map of Ohio and itgot me curious. Southeastern Ohio is obviously
squatchy, and so is Kentucky andWest Virginia. What's interesting to me is
that Ohio is separated from those twostates by the Ohio River. The only
way to cross between them is eitherby crossing the quarter mile wide river or
diverting through Pennsylvania. Assuming the Sasquatchpopulation of Ohio is not completely isolated from

(28:22):
the Appalatia. How would they travelbetween these states? Long swim, run
across the bridge at night? Hitchhike. Love the show and always keep it
squatchy Michael. They obviously they swimthrough they aquatic eight and they have no
problem someone out there. I mean, oh, I screwed this up last
episode. I was saying Prince EdwardIsland. I was I meant to say
Queen Charlotte. Queen Charlotte Islands.They've been seen numerous times swimming back and

(28:45):
forth between Queen Charlotte's and the mainland. And so they you know some of
those islands, you know, yougot to swim sixty miles and totally it's
some of those islands. So theycan swim. So a river would be
no problem. Maybe certain times ayear of flood stage you might a little
more hesitant to do it. ButI think they have no problem acrossing that
river at all. Yeah, Ione hundred percent agree. I've spoken to
several witnesses that have seen them swim. So yeah, these things are swimmers.

(29:10):
We all know that, or maybewe don't all know, but gorillas
aren't big on swimming. They don'ttend to enjoy water in fact, they
used to think that rivers were naturalbarriers that gorillas could not or would not
cross. That doesn't seem to betrue. But they just seem to like
avoid the water. They don't seemto like it very much. But sasquatches
just don't care. They are verymuch at home in the water. They

(29:30):
swim, no big deal of themat all. A river. If they
can see the other side, theycan they can swim there. That's kind
of what it comes down to.Yeah, they've been known to run across
certain bridges, like really remote bridgesand really cold, freezing, you know,
treacherous, gorgeous like you know,high floodwaters, no raging, you
know, class five rapids, likethey're not going to jump into that.

(29:52):
But anything below that, I thinkit's not an issue for them at all.
Now, I mean across the ColumbiaRiver, rivers like a mile wide,
and a lot of spots are more. Of course, a lot of
it was also quite shallow. Alot of people don't realize that, but
the Columbia River, even though itmay be a mile wide, three quarters
of that width is actually you know, between three and eight feet deep,

(30:15):
So they would only have the swimmingquarter mile or something. But they do
it. They do it. It'snot a big deal at all. They
probably do it at night where nobody'slooking hard to see them. That kind
of thing. Not a big dealfor a Sasquatch. They don't care.
And apple watchings go into Ohio.They go up in like a third of
the way up into Ohio. Next, the next question comes from Rabid Sasquatch.

(30:36):
All right, Rabid, I hearthat there were a few episodes of
Finding Bigfoot where the editors made itlook like a figure was unidentified when in
fact you found it was a person, and that you guys threatened to quit
the show if such editing techniques wereused. Again, I'm wondering if you
can explain which episodes those were andwhat it turned out to be and what

(30:56):
findings in the first season were trulyleft unexplained the first three episodes. Yeah,
I don't think we threatened to quit. We just threw a hissy fit.
I did. Well. Yeah,but I mean, we're under contract.
You couldn't really do it, buth I think that we could.
Okay, all right, Besides,Bobo, I don't think we're necessarily gonna
quit. I think that we werejust throwing a hissy fit and and we

(31:17):
got to fix. You know.Credit to the production company, they did
a great job accommodating our needs becausewe have a big foot in TV don't
really match very well, you know, we bigfoot stuff is. We like
it totally dark, but you know, literally without light, there is no
TV. That's what you see.You see lights, right, So yeah,
the first the first season was alittle touch and go, you know,

(31:37):
like the one that the two thatcome to my mind right away.
And this is well documented out there, by the way, this is not
new news. It was the horsein Florida. At the very end,
Matten and Bobo see an upright figure. Yeah, they said they acted like
I just watched a big Foot walkaway and not filmed it. It was
like, no, I quit filmingit because it was a freaking horse.
Yeah, I turned sideways and andI believe the editors at the time are

(31:59):
pretty Somebody told me, well,we want to leave that up to the
audience's imagination, which is always thecop out with production companies. I find
it kind of sucks they do that. And basically they in my opinion,
they kind of lie and they say, well, you know, if they
believe it's their problem, like leavingit up to the viewer's decision or you
know opinion. That's not a goodway to do it. I think that

(32:21):
reality TV should have some reality init, you know. The other one,
of course, was the one nightthat I think I actually did see
a sasquatch, which kind of sucks, and we didn't film it in North
Carolina, the famous There's Something onthe Hill like that episode. Yeah,
we watched that thing that I thinkwas probably a sasquatch up on the hill
and then Matt takes off after itbecause he thought it was a person spying

(32:43):
on us for some reason at twoin the morning, two miles off trail
or a mile and a half offtrail, I don't know. But and
then they circled Matt going up thehill like he was the sasquatch, and
that seemed a little, you know, misleading, I think. So,
yeah, those are the two thatjumped to my mind. There is one
more when we did the North Georgiaepisode when the production assistant named Georgia saw

(33:05):
what we moments later determined to bea bard owl in a tree, and
they filmed that whole sequence and theygot you know, you guys out of
the car to go follow up onit. What they inserted in the final
edit of that episode is this likemanlike thermal image in a color gradient,
whereas we were seeing it through blackand white thermals. And so what ended
up in the final cut of thatepisode is not what any of us saw

(33:28):
on the thermals. And I can'tremember if they ended up saying that,
like, yes, we did identifyit as a bard out, but that's
absolutely what it was. But whatyou see in the episode is not what
was seen or filmed at that time. Because they're like, Boba, run,
get down there, it's done,and I was like all right,
So I started jumping down like alot of poison ivy and scrambling down the
hill looking because I thought they reallysaw something that was legit and it was

(33:50):
No. That's when the trout pastaincident happened. When I ran down the
hill, yeah, because they werelike, Bobo, you need to run
after it so we can find itand identify it. And you're like,
no, we've already identified it,and they were like yeah, with the
audience, they won't make sense tothem unless you go run, and you
were like I ain't doing that.I ain't vakeing stuff. And finally be
Sha was like, look, man, I'll give you all the rest of
the trout pasta if you'll just godo this, and you were like all

(34:12):
right, and you did it.Yeah. So there were some growing pains
first season, you know, becauseyou know, TV is you know,
shallow, superficial and a lot oftimes not not even real. So but
we wanted to make it as realas possible, so we threw hissy fits.
We were stubborn jerks, and eventuallywe kind of won out because the

(34:32):
show is a hit and Animal Planetwanted to keep it going. So Animal
Planet stepped in and fix it.So the producers who were more likely to
you know, fabricate things were dismissed. They were not on the show.
And over the next season or twoor three, we basically trained the TV
producers to be pretty good bigfooters,you know, Natalie and Chad and even

(34:53):
man Tooth and those guys that theywould all they would learn what we were
looking for in a real Bigfoot spot. Now, of course TV is not
real, you know. Just soeverybody knows, we film things out of
orders. So when you watch aone hour episode. That seems like we
show up at a spot and thengo do this, and because of this,
we have to go to this nextspot, and because of that next

(35:13):
spot, we go to the nextThat's all out of order. That's not
true. That's television. That's howthey piece things together, you know,
to make it seem like a storylinefor the viewer, because there's a lot
of psychology and TV, and ifyou're watching something that jumps around and doesn't
follow a storyline, the viewers getlost and they don't engage in that sort
of thing. So none of thatstuff is true. But with the Animal

(35:36):
Planet producers behind us, we madeit so we were never asked to fabricat
anything online. We were I meanon screen. Rather, we were never
asked to lie, and we wereasked can you say this? And I
remember several times like they were lookingfor a connection between stories, Cliff,
can you say this? I gono, I can't say that, because
that's not true. But I can'tsay this, And it turns out that's
better anyway. And then you knowthat kind of stuff. So se and

(36:00):
one. There were some growing painsbetween us and the production learning what the
other one needs to do. Theirjob, you know, and eventually the
production did bend our way. Theydid give us what we need for the
most part, within limits because they'remaking a TV show too. But if
we said it about a bigfoot thing, about a piece of evidence, about
what we heard or what we saw, after season one, I mean,

(36:22):
even season one, if we saidit, it's true. And after season
one they stopped doing all that TVnon sense and we made a good show,
probably the most real reality show thatyou're ever going to see pretty much.
I mean, that's what our producerssay. You can go back and
listen to our producers on this veryprogram, Bigfoot and Beyond. They say
that Finding Bigfoot was the most realreality show they ever worked on, and

(36:45):
that that is something that's something tobe proud of in a way, you
know, for producing a reality realityTV might be the end of society for
all we know, like the qualityof that stuff. But ours was pretty
good, not bad, not badconsidering what we were up against. And
if we said it, you cantake it to the bank. Except we
might be incorrect. You have togive us that one caveat. But we

(37:07):
didn't lie, and I think that'skind of cool. Yeah, I have
to say, I was really impressed, especially now with hindsight having worked on
other things. Like when we weredoing the prep for that Georgia episode,
there was one siding that to getto the spot where it's Bobo and Matt
with this witness to interview them,and you had to cross the river and
it was over hip deep. Andwhen we were going to scout the spot,

(37:28):
I'd been there many times, butI took Natalie the producer there and
she was like, oh, thisis kind of rough, Like don't you
think we can just shoot it onthis side of the river. And I
was like, I promise you thecast will not settle for faking it somewhere
nearby. They'll want to see thespot when they do the interview. And
she was just like, okay,well, I guess we better find somewhere
that has waiters and get everybody's waitersizes. And we did. And so

(37:50):
they never tried to push like,oh, well we'll just shoot it behind
this parking lot here and say we'rein the woods or whatever the case.
They tried. They tried, butwhen we said no, they didn't,
but they still try it though likewe had. They still they still try
it all the time over the years, like, hey, can you know
it's gonna be a lot of work, just gonna We always said no,
We got a couple of times justsaid all right, because there's just gonna

(38:12):
be like way too much of away, like huge housle for the camera
crew and take all night, allday and all that. But yeah,
we always just said we got itreal spot, then it's it's just worthless.
Yeah, just an even got tothe point where like as far as
like our demands of telling the truth. You remember that one episode, I
think it was in Kentucky or somethinglike that, there was some product placement

(38:37):
I think for paid a candy bars. I remember specifically paid a Candy Bars,
and they said, Cliff, Okay, somebody is getting some money.
And it wasn't me, by theway. I didn't. I didn't get
paid anything for that, but somebodysomewhere up the ladder, I guess,
probably got paid for having Payday candybars in one of our episodes. So
they were they concocted this idea whereI was going to go out and put

(38:57):
Payday candy bars in front of agame camera to see what we can get.
An I second, really I gotto do that, that kind of
sucks. And I said, oh, well, you know, we'll just
put it out and then we'll filmme picking it up the same day.
So no, no, no,no, if we're gonna do this,
we're gonna do this. And theproducers let me leave it out there for
two or three days just to seeif we get anything. So at least
we did even that for real.You know, that's the at least from

(39:21):
my perspective, that's something that's prettycool that the production gave to us,
because a lot of other TV shows, I think from working on other productions
and stuff, would be more thanhappy just to fake it, put it
out, then pick it up tenminutes later, five minutes later, and
say that it was three days.But we really did do it two or
three days later. It was veryeye opening to me what is real and

(39:42):
what's not on TV. But youknow, we did our very very best
to keep our show as real aspossible, and with the production company's help
and the network's help, we did. We did. We made a pretty
good, darn, pretty darn goodshow. And I think reality TV is
a terrible medium. I don't likereality TV. I don't like TV in
general. But our show was funand entertaining, and we were I think

(40:02):
that we were pretty funny in alot of ways, and the Bigfoot stuff
was real. I think that's cool. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond
with Cliff and Bogo. We'll beright back after these messages. And in
keeping with defining Bigfoot theme, thisthe origin story has never really been told,

(40:25):
and so I thought this would bea great last question here and it
just came in today, So itwas a last addition to be the cue
here. But I think it'd befor some good discussion that probably a lot
of listeners would love to hear.See. This one's from Alice Walton bao
Hey, Cliff and Bobo. Ilove the podcast. I was wondering how
did they approach you guys for findingBigfoot? Who did they approach first?

(40:45):
Thanks? I think they got ahold of Moneymaker first through the VFRO.
No they didn't, because they didn'tget a hold of money Maker first.
They got a hold of The firstonst they got hold of was Bart,
and then Bart gave my network say, I guess they asked a few people
they're looking for me. I don'tremember the exact details Now, then Matt
got because I know I gave himMatt's number, and they'd heard about Matt

(41:08):
from the previous show. He wason the Mysterious Encounters, So they were
kind of at a little hesitant onthat one, but you know, they're
on board. Which they met him. They brought ten of us to Matt,
and Wally ended up paying for usall come down. Well, wallypaid,
Matt got organized ten of us togo down to Orange County and we

(41:30):
interviewed for him, and yeah,that's how it started. Yeah. The
story I got from the production companyis Brad, one of the owners of
the production company, pitched a showto Discovery or actually all over the place,
but Discovery bit on it about Bigfoot, and I remember he told me
the pitch and everything. He saysthat I'm a child of this nineteen seventies.

(41:50):
I grew up in the nineteen seventies. Evil canebel is now dead,
Farah Fawcett is now dead. Wegot to do something about this bigfoot thing,
because those are the three things Iremember about the seventies the most.
And they kind of bid on that. This was after Farah Faucet and Evele
died obviously, yeah, so,and then they bid on it. And
I was also told, I thinkthe guy who in charge of casting told

(42:13):
me this that initially they got actorsto do the part. Because most reality
shows, you know, if they'reyou know, saying they're experts and something,
most of them are just actors actinglike it. That's how they get
these gigs or whatever. So initiallythey got actors to play the part parts
of the Bigfoot experts. But aftermaybe a few like test roles or whatever,
they decided, these guys don't knowenough to do this. They don't

(42:36):
know very much, so why don'twe just go plumb the Bigfoot community.
Maybe a couple of them will willyou know, be you know, good
for the camera. And then theystarted poking around and doing stuff. I
know that for my part, Imean, I'm assuming they got my number
either from Matt or Bobo or theycontacted me online, maybe through my blogs.
I had a really active blog atthe time. Guy named Todd calls

(42:59):
me and that they were they're goingto do a Bigfoot thing where no no,
no expense spared by land, seaand air and all this other hogwash.
Do I want to be a partof it? I said, well,
yeah, yeah, sure, thatsounds cool. Yeah, okay,
well great, send me a resumeabout yourself, send me a couple of
test reels of you on camera doingsome stuff, and there you go.

(43:22):
And then I didn't hear anything.I wasn't involved in that thing that Bobo
mentioned down at Wally's house. Iwas working at the time. I couldn't
get away, so yeah, Ididn't. I didn't hear anything until the
following May. I think when Moneymakercalls me that says Cliff Cliff, good
news man, you got the spot, and I go, oh, that's
great. What are you talking about. He goes, oh, remember that
guy Todd that called He goes,oh, yeah, back in November.

(43:43):
That was real. He said,yeah, you got the spot. It's
me and you and Bobo and we'relooking for a biologist. They got no
kidding, huh, And when arewe shooting? And then the pilot was
filmed like the week after I gotout of school, so it all kind
of lined up and there you go, man, that that's how it happened
for me, at least, notto brag, but I did tell him
I'm not doing it without Cliff,because they told me that here picked right

(44:04):
off the bat, I said,I'm not doing anything about Cliff because I
had I had offers from History Channel. Doug Hatchick wanted to do something with
these offered. He wanted to doa series, and then Bob Saget's company
wanted to do this serious. Iwas like, I got options, dude,
I don't do anything about Cliff becauseI know. I remember a couple
of years in I was talking toMarjorie the president and our main man,

(44:29):
Yeah, Keith Hoppin and Marjorie Kaplan. They said, I said, you
guys got to be happiest with Cliff. Now I'm sure, and he goes
he just smiled. I said,you're not going to hurt my feelings,
but you guys got to be bothstoked on Cliff. He goes, yes,
we are. Well there you go. Now there you go, Alex.
There's there's a couple of perspectives onthe origin of the entire TV show.
So there you go. I hope, I hope that's satisfied your curiosity.

(44:52):
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(45:13):
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(45:55):
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(46:39):
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