Ep. 268 - Q&A - June, 2024

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and James Boobo Fay, Hello,Bobo? How you doing? Man?
Okay? What's going on? Cliff? All sorts of stuff as usual?
You know me, Man, Idon't sit still very long. I've I've
got lots to tell you about.But anything else? Anything you want to
start with? Or should I justjump into my crazy life here? Jump
in my last pretty pretty static lately? Really? Okay? Well, well

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I want to start that I tellyou about my new favorite word. No,
oh my god, I stumbled uponmy new favorite word, and this
this is my favorite in several ways. You know, I'm a word nerd
in general. I love words.They're fun to play with. Some of
my previous favorite words have been thingslike gazebo, spatula, you know,
like it's fun sounding words. Butthis word hit me everywhere I wanted it,

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man, everywhere I wanted to behit. It smacked me good because
number one, it sounds great andnumber two. It's actually something I absolutely
love this word. I'll give youthe definition first. The definition of this
word is to stay in bed longerthan you should, even though you should
be up, because but you're stayingin bed because it's warm and cozy.
Right, Yeah, that's what thisword means. It's from it's from I

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guess this is a Scottish word.It's a verb, and the word is
to herkle durkle no way, Yeah, I am a hirkle durkler like I
am a lifelong hirkle durkler. Ilove me some hirkle durklin. I know.
So that's I mean, that's oneof the highest points of my week.

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And by the way, I castPrince this week and that is still
one of the highest points of mylet's hear about the France. Oh but
no, you don't't to talk abouthurkle dierklin anymore. You'd work it,
just work it into the whatever possible. Oh totally, I've got to totally
be work workled girkle in this andthen everywhere. Man. Yeah, so
yeah, herkle dirklin. I didit this morning. I plan to do

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it tomorrow. I just cannot getenough of that word. I'm just so
thrilled about it. But I guessonto more pertinent things, more big footy
things. So I don't remember ifI spoke to you about this last time.
But I was out at a regularspot this like in the last couple
of weeks, and I'm driving backfrom I forget where I was out doing
big foot up at some point,and I was in my car alone.

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So I must be one of these. I go alone a lot. And
by the way, for our listenersand whatever, and even for you,
bobo, I don't find stuff everytime I go. I just tell you
about this stuff I find when ithappens I go. I think, this
week alone, I've been out therethree times, you know, this week
alone, this past week. I'mout there kind of a lot, you
know. And you consider, likeonce or two a month, I hit

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gold and I find prints, andI'm going to like between one and three
times a week sometimes, you know, you do the maths. I'm not
finding this stuff every time, Soeverybody can calm down and all the skeptists
can stop throwing rocks and all thisother stuff. I'm right now, I'm
bat and I think about twenty thirtypercent, which is really good. That's
good. Yeah. I mean,I'm not a sports guy, as I

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think most people know, but seemsto me that's pretty good at batting average.
I don't know. But anyway,so I'm driving back from I forget
where, alone in my car,and and oh, I remember, yeah,
this is when I was stripping backafter dropping Melissa off at the airport.
She just got back from storm chasingof all things. She's back now
and she had a wonderful time,saw herself some tornadoes, and I said,
what when you were gone? Ifound I planted some tomatoes, as

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that count. But anyway, I'mdriving back. I went. I dropped
her off at the at the airport, like at three in the morning or
something, you know, because shehad a five am flight, you know,
And for me that means leaving thehouse at two to be at the
airport by three, which I gotto wake up at one, which is
a crazy time to wake up becauseI sometimes don't go to bed till two
am. Right that maybe I getnegative one hour sleep and that's exhausting.

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But anyway, so I dropped heroff at the airport, I went straight
to the woods. I wanted tocatch the morning shift, you know,
because I'm never up at that hourbecause I'm a herkle Durkler. I might
be laying in bed at that hour, but I'm not up by any means.
I'm probably busy herkle durkling. Soanyway, I drive straight to the
woods and I start walking these roadsearly in the morning. I do find
an old print and I cast it, which was cool. It was pretty

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old, though, and I thinkI hit two other roads for nothing,
didn't find anything at all. Andby then it's like eleven thirty, you
know, so I'd been out therefor seven hours or something, eight hours,
and so I'm driving back on thislong stretch and this then a tree
break on the left hand side catchesmy attention. I don't know what it
was about it, because there's alot of broken trees that ezer are on

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most roads, right because they takea brushog on the end of one of
these machine things and just and justcut away push back the rainforest, you
know. So something about this onecaught my eye and I said, I
stop, and I go, yeah, okay, I'll back up and take
a look. I back up thethirty forty feet that it took me to
stop or whatever. And I'm lookingat this thing in the car, right,

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and at about eight or nine feetup it's broken. I'd probably like
an eight or ten feet up it'sbroken. And then above the ground,
like where the top of the treewas, you know, it's broken again.
So that part's pointing up. Theygo, well, that's odd,
you know, and It's like,well, that deserves a closer look.
I mean, sure it could havebroken twice, no big deal, like
maybe the tippy top broke and thenthe regular thing broke with snowload. If

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I'm looking around, there's nothing elsethere that would give me indication at all
that is snowload. Right, Andthen I look closely and like these side
branches coming out, two or threeof them, like these little tiny like
they're probably one centimeter or something likethat in diameter. They go out and
then immediately are curved back around andthen shove between other branches, like two

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or three of these things. AndI'm thinking that looks a lot like that
weird tree break that they've found notthree miles away, you know, back
in December that I think our listeners, at at least a certainly our members
have seen pictures of isn't that right, prude? Our members have pictures of
this stuff. Yes, we postedquite a bit of that for the Patreon
members there. Okay, very good. Well I'll get you some pictures of

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this thing too to post for thePatreon members for them. Of course,
if you want to be a membersfive bucks a month, you get an
extra hour and you also get thisepisode with zero commercials. Anyway, there's
that. So anyway, I said, well, that's interesting. You know,
I got it. Then I knewI was going to be out later
in the week with the rest ofthe team here at the museum, So
we went out. We hit oneof the spots in this general area that

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we nicknamed I think I told youabout at the Outer Rim. But on
the way out there, we passedthis tree. So we all got out
of the car and say, hey, check this thing out. Trip out
on this and Nico, a traintracker by the way, found a footprint
really closed, like five or eightfeet away from it, and I thinking,
crap, how did I miss that? That sucks? I mean,
but Nico's a train tracker. We'sbetter at this stuff than I am.
And I said, well, lookat that it's a really decent print,

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and we start tracking it and Ifind that there's about four three or four
or five others of these before Ijust lose the trail off in the woods.
It's like, oh, shoot,not only a track, we have
a track way, which is reallyinteresting. That's cool, And I say,
I got to remember to come backhere and cast these things, right,
So that's what I did this pastweek. So Keith and I went

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out and we went to the spotand then said, Keith, look at
I'm going to cast this print nextto the tree, you know, and
whatever else. And we decided,well, you know, let's go look
at the other side of the road, because this is right on the road
right. Start pushing off and startfanning out, and about fifty yards into
the tree line, I run acrossa segmented trackway. I found two or

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three of these things go in onedirection and then one going the other.
And it's a very small area andit seems to be a size that I
recognize, about eleven and a halftwelve inches. And then he and I
spend the next hour or two ormore really combing that area. I came
back with fore casts. All ofthem are crappy. I mean, you
can barely see anything in any ofthese except for one of them. One

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of them is actually pretty decent.You can see the general shape of the
foot, a nice big toe andstuff like that. But once again,
I got a handprint out of thisarea, no way. I mean,
the cast sucks the cat because itwas underground and you know, and I
guess some rodents or something where,like, some burrowing animals were nearby,
so when I poured the plaster in, like it went into some of the
fingerprints and then you know, filledup their burrows essentially. But it was

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a really interesting situation because tracking theanimal. We tracked it. I mean
I'm not a great tracker, youknow, I want to emphasize that again,
but I follow it for like fifteenfeet twenty feet, then we lose
it for fifty or one hundred feet, and then we pick it up again
somewhere else. You know, ittakes a long time to figure out where
it's going because I don't find thesetracks consecutively, but we do pick up

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little segments of the trackway. Butnear as I can figure it was going
from rotten stump to rotten stump andthen digging in the rotten stumps. And
I'm saying that because I found nextto rotten stumps that had fresh tears,
and in a couple of them youcan actually see scratch marks of four or
five fingers at a time with noclaws, and they were spread apart,

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much wider than a bears could be. So pretty pretty great week. You
know, between this trackway that thatthat is tied directly to a weird tree
break, with this interweaving sort ofnonsense in it, it's that nonsense.
Well, well, clearly not,It's what I'm saying. That's my point
here, you know, like Idon't think these things are horses, are

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weaving horse manes or any of thatstuff. I think that's all nonsense.
Bob Gimblin even told me himself,and I'm Bob Gimblin is clearly rather experienced
in horses that all that stuff isprobably pretty much just you know, wind
braids, you know, from horsesin the window. Yeah. Yeah,
but these things are just very weirdand very unusual. And so I have
a one to one correlation between theseweird tree break things and sasquatch footprints,

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which is encouraging. And then justa short distance away foraging sign, you
know, and of course obvious.I think that one can guess and assume
that sasquatches break apart rotten stumps stuffbecause bears do it, right, that
that's a I think it's a prettysafe assumption, but it is still an
assumption until you find evidence thereof AndI think, you know, and I

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found places where sasquatch tracks have beenfound, with logs moved aside and that
sort of stuff. But this isthe first time that I found direct correlation
between breaking apart stumps and finger marksand stumps and the sasquatch tracks. So
again, just slowly piecing together thepuzzle that is laid out before us,
and then whenever I make any progresson that at all, it's a thrilling

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week. And then you add ontop of that the Herkle Dirkle thing.
It's been outstanding as it is.Yeah, I don't I mean, I
don't know what could have been better, really, you know? So anyway,
that's that's the story of my week. Hmm. Tops of mind.
Oh okay, well all right,well, well you know what this will
make you feel better today is aQ and a episode to hear a big

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Sure. Well all right, somister Matt Prue, why don't you
lay the first away smail upon us? Please? Hey, guys, Mike

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here, I hope you guys areall doing well. Love listening to podcasts
as always, guys, So rewatchingsome old episodes of Monster Quests. They
always talk about, you know,they put pheromone chips out there trying to
lure in a bigfoot or you know, something like that, and anytimes I've
ever seen them use it, I'venever seen them actually like be successful.
Do you guys personally feel that pheromoneships work on bringing them closer? I

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mean, I know they smell terrible, and they got good sense of smells
and they'd be able to smell themfrom a good distance, But I want
to know they actually do work.I feel like I never hear about them
anymore. I feel like only backin the early two thousands. All right,
that's my question. Hope you guyshave a good day. Keep a
squatchy, Love you guys. MichaelMaddener first fan. But anyways, yeah,
I had a jar of them backin the mid two thousands or so

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early two thousands. Yea, itwas early two thousands because I know in
two thousand and one or two thousandand two, I think it was two
thousand and one that doctor Bamernet gaveus some gave John Fredis more than I
got some more, and we hadthem up. We went up on the
we were on the go road upto Bluff Creek, and John put him

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out along the road like every fewhundred yards. We put him out,
and we put a couple around ourcamp. I thought we should have put
them all and where they were insideof us, like, you know,
nothing could just come up. AndI didn't want them to figure out what
it was, you know, Ididn't want them to, you know,
find a chip and then for people. I know, those things were plastic
chips, like a not much biggerthan like a poker chip or something,

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but they the smell was just incrediblystrong. It was just overpowering, make
you wretch. And we had thoseout and I was laying in the in
the back of the bed of mytruck and I had a shell on it,
my little Toyota, and this thingcame walking. I could hear it
come down the road and I heardsome snaps coming down the road and like

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tree branches and the road was dirton both sides of the road like dirt,
and bankers went up like forty fivedegree angles. It was kind of
a steep sided embankment about fifteen feetup. John had tied him into these
little trees that the foresters had plantedto stabilize the rock slides there and stuff,

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and they were, you know,maybe three four feet little gnarled things,
and so they were tired noose andI heard those I heard some snapping,
and then it, uh it walkedand I heard it like these big,
long, heavy footfalls coming down theroad, and I got so I
think it I think it was Idon't know if it was in for sounding
us or if it was just Ijust got scared, like more than I'd

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ever been scared before. And Iremember as it came up, I just
saw this black mass like it wasjust black, just all black, so
outside of the truck window, andI couldn't see the shape or anything.
It was just black. And Ijust pulled a sleep bag over my head
and held my breath. I triedto like not. I thought I was
just going to rip the truck openand drag me out or something, and
then it just it never stopped,just walked by my truck about two feet

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f like within two feet of it. I was parked on the edge of
the road. We were in apull out, and it walked past the
truck and then it turned down andit went down this almost a cliff face.
It was so steep. I hadto have a rope to go down
to the tree. And then asit was going, as it went down
the hill, I heard the loudestsnap tree break I ever heard in my
life. And it snapped at eleveninch hardwood, like sixty foot tree or

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fifty foot tree whatever, I mean, I don't know what it was.
It was big, and maybe itwas forty feet, yeah, it was
probably thirty five forty. But itsnapped it and it went down and fell
down the hill, down the embankment, because it's like a you know,
it goes down for several hundred feet, just really super steep, like you'd
have to have rope, and itjust went down and just that was it.

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But we went back in the morningand looked around where those pheromont tips
were toasched to the trees. Thosewhole trees were snapped torn off, and
the the pheromoneships were gone. Staytuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff
and Bogo will be right back afterthese messages. If nothing else at all,

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those things are very strong smelling,and it kind of goes back to
my general idea about bigfoots is thatif you give them something that they don't
know anything about, they're probably gonnacome check it out, because they're relatively
smart animals. You know, they'reprobably the smartest thing in the woods.
And you know, the same reasonhe's a slide whistle. Give him something

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that they've never heard before and gettheir curiosity up and see if they want
to come in. And maybe thatsmell does that. Now? Is it
actually a sexual attraction because these aresex pheromones. I'm not exactly sure what
they're from, but fro I understand. I have it in my head that
these are secretions of some sort fromapes and humans. Although I mean,

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how would you get these things?I mean, I understand physically, how
you might you know, get thesethings? Well, yeah, your hobbies
are your hobbies, bobs, youknow, And I'm you know, if
you can help doctor Bambineck in someway, I'm glad you can. But
but you know, is it isit that sort of attraction or is it
just a curiosity sort of thing?You know, because because I have pulled

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over on the side of the roadbecause I drove through a stink of something
dead and rotting, I went likewhat and I backed up and did it
and I smelled it again, Andso I've even had my curiosity raised about
smells to go check out before inthe woods turned out to be a dead,
rotting elk, by the way,But maybe that's what's going on with
these maybe, But is it asexual attraction. I don't know. I

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think that jury is still out.But but I think that you do anything
of any of the senses. Youmake noises, you you have weird visual
things, you anything unusual that thatapproaches their them in some way, some
sensory way is likely to other attentionand bring them in for a slightly closer

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look. That's the whole thing behindthe finding bigfoot nonsense we did in the
woods. You know, I'd getI'm sure we'd all get letters from emails.
Still do. Yeah, but likethey're doing it wrong. You should
go sit up in a tree anddecent yourself. And we're camouflage and in
the dark and blah blah blah said, yeah, but that's terrible TV.
And we can't be quiet anyway becausewe have a producer and a camera person

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and a sound person and all theseother persons people wandering around of this can't
be quiet. You just can't.So the other option is to go big
and try to draw them in outof curiosity. So that's what we did.
And I think the pheromone chips isprobably are somewhere in that realm.
Probably. Yeah, do they work? I think anything unusual works, And

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if something stinks real bad or smellsreally good, I think that would work
just fine. Yeah, agreed.Yeah, And they were used on the
Skukum Cast expedition in early two thousand. I think that's two thousand. Actually,
yeah, they weren't. They usedthere with some success. But is
it because of that or is itjust because they had something unusual, Like
could you use pachuli or something,you know, could you use sandal with

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intense? I don't know. Maybemaybe you would have the same effect.
I'm not really sure. I thinkit's I think it's being primate definitely helps.
The question is do you think you'refooling like like one our smell you
know, females, sasquatch or whatever, you know, some kind of primate
around here. You know, isthat Is that more enticing than something that
smells like, you know, anovelty like some Brazilian center, you know,

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some scent from Australia or Asia thatthey've never smelled before. I think,
I think the fact that it's fromprimate secretions that it's like more effective.
I asked my opinion. Yeah,I don't know. I think the
jury's out on that one. Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean the
jury's out. But I think thefact that it is female primate secretions embedded
and I think that definitely. Ithink that helps for sure. Yeah,

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I suppose it can't hurt. Imean really at the end of the day,
right, Yeah, but yeah,Novelty's Novelty's big with the squatch to
get them to come in. Yeah, that's what I think at least.
Yeah. Yeah, I don't evenknow how to get those things. If
we ever have a doctor Bambinak onthe on the show, we got to
ask him how he gets these things. He offered me some ten years ago
and I didn't get them from him. Oh he still sells them. We

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have some here at the museum actually, and you know what, the two
or three times I've smelled sasquatches myself. Yeah, the chips are kind of
a little bit like that, kindof but these have a little bit of
that in there that but it's notquite right. It could be dialed in
a little bit better, but Idon't know. Still not that far away

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either. I guess it's a goodway to say it. Do you think
we answered that one? Yep?What else you got through it? Good
afternoon, guys, A little dayfrom Alabama. Since it's the hundredth anniversary
of the Ape Canyon attack. I'mjust curious your thoughts on the attack.
I know they said they observed somesasquatches earlier. Do you think that if

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they had have fired on them firstthat they never would have been attacked that
night? Just a little food forthought, because they seemed to draw first
blood, and the sasquatches are definitelyretaliated. Thanks guys, love the show
and have a great one. Ithink it happened. I think that it

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didn't quite happen the way they said, But I think that those guys got
the crap scared out of them,and I think that there were Sasquatches there.
I think the story is more orless the way they described it.
But I think that they were somevery, very very tough men who were
very very scared, and I thinkthat that combination caused them to perhaps exaggerate

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some things or perhaps even misinterpret someof the things that were going on.
But you know, some of theother things that were noted but the miners
didn't talk about, I think area particular interest. A couple of days
later after the event. The event, of course, was on July TI,
and a couple of days later,I think three days later, they

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went back up there. The twoof the miners were convinced to go back
up there. It was Fred Beckand not Marion Smith. The other one
Leroy Leroy Smith. Thank you,thank you, Leroy Smith. Those two
young men went back up there witha couple of police officers and a couple
of reporters from the Portland Daily NewsI think it was called a Portland News

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and photographers and a couple of rangers. Bob Welch. Bill Welch was one
of the rangers. I'm terrible withnames, but I think I'm getting more
or less right. You's always factcheck me. Too. I do make
small errors all the time. Butthey went back up there, and one
of the things that they noticed whenthey returned to the site, besides the
footprints that were all around there,the place was apparently lousy with footprints.

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What the miners did not report thatthey later discovered is that one of the
animals, presumably the sasquatch, wastrying to dig underneath the foundation, you
know, to some degree. AndI think that's kind of scary and cool
too. But as far as theminers, you know, they were out
to get us and kill us andall that sort of stuff. I think
they were scared, honestly, andI think that that caused them to exaggerate

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some things, or at least probablyjust telling it like they thought it.
They thought they were gonna die.But have you seen the size of the
missing log. Upon the initial attack, when the sasquatch hit the outside of
the cabin, it knocked out ahuge piece of log called a chinking from
the cabin wall. That's a reallybig space that's like almost a foot in

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diameter, and I think, andwell not diameter because it's not a circle,
but there's like a foot gap inthe side of the of the cabin.
I can't help but think that,you know, if that was the
case, then the guys probably wouldhave all been killed, because the sasquatches
would probably reach inside and grab them, or kill them, or rip apart
the cabin themselves. I mean,those are big logs and stuff, but

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a group of men building a cabinis probably a lot harder than one or
two or three sasquatches ripping apart acabin. You know. I think that
they probably could have gotten in hadthey really really were, like if they
were super intent upon it. ButI also think that all that trouble started
because they shot one of the Theyshot these things, they're shooting at them,

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and then they actually dropped one.They don't know if they killed it,
but the thing went over the edgeand disappeared into the canyon, presumably
dead, but we don't know.Maybe it wasn't dead, you know,
maybe just pissed it off. Whenthe miners looked outside of the missing chinking,
I believe, I believe they claimedto see six of these things dancing
gleefully in the moonlight or something tothat effect, some waxing poetic nonsense.

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I don't know. I don't knowI think that's probably too many, But
I don't know. I mean,who knows. Maybe there were six,
but that seemed that feel to me. That feels to me like it's just
too many. They were scared outof their mind. These things were on
the roof. It's not a bigdeal though, if you know, the
cabin sits on a very very steepslope, so it would take all of
a four foot jump to get onthe roof. It wouldn't be that big
of a deal. They were allaround the area, the footprints were in

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the ground. I think it didhappen. I think it happened more or
less the way the miners explained,with some you know, fear thrown into
the mix. Yeah, I meanI think for I don't think there's any
doubt it happened. I don't.I don't have a problem with six of
them being there. I mean,they've been seen in groups of six or

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more, you know, at times, not often, but it definitely is
not unheard of at all. It'sa lot. That's a big that's a
big group. But they're probably there'sprobably exactly if there's three or four,
that's a lot, you know,So who knows, But I have no
doubt that the event occurred. Yeah, I mean, I think that any
any bigfooter has probably tried to putthemselves in that situation at the time.

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And I've spent a fair amount oftime doing that myself, because it's one
of my favorite stories and so historicallysignificant and right in our backyard. I've
been to the cabin side, andwe have artifacts from the location in the
museum here, like it's a it'sa great it's a great, great event.
You know, it's one of theseminal events and bigfooting history's I was
called one of the classics, right, So I spent a lot of time

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what would have been like in thatsituation. I can't help but think that
even two or three sasquatches, ifthey're running around outside slapping the crap out
of the outside of the cabin andhopping on the roof and throwing stuff,
they can make themselves sound like they'resix or ten or twenty or fifty of
these things. I think two orthree of them would be enough to put
the fear of God into all theminers, you know. I think to

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one of the points of Little Dave'squestion regarding whether or not it was retaliation.
I mean, there's so many reportsof Sasquatches slapping homes, cabins,
shelters that people are hiding inside orsheltered inside, and throwing rocks at the
exterior walls and the roof, noneof which involve gunfire. So I don't
think it would just be that,oh, that's a behavior that's only exhibited

(26:48):
in response or in retaliation too havingbeen shot at. I mean, there
might be a connection there, butyou could find hundreds of other claims of
analogous behaviors that have no gun fireinvolved with whatsoever. Yeah, if the
miners are correct and they're not exaggeratingat all or very much, then maybe
that extra level of aggression was becausethese guys shot and possibly killed one of

(27:14):
these things, because if you lookat the other, another not the other.
But another incident is the Bauman incident, you know, where these guys
shot at the saying and the Sasquatchretaliated and killed two out of three guys
that were there. So that's that'ssomewhat of a track record. But I
also know of other situations where peoplehave fired on sasquatches clearly hit them according

(27:34):
to the witness and the Bigfoots didn'tdo anything at all. Is there a
pattern here, I don't know.I don't know if there is or not.
It's for people that I've talked tothem that I believe that tell me
they've shot them and probably killed them, or they pretty sure they killed them.
There wasn't really much any There wasn'treally hardly didn't retaliation like like not.

(27:56):
You'd think like they'd go crazy,like there are some stories with them
going crazy, people shooting them,going crazy to whatever they can, doing
everything they can to get to thehumans. But then there's I've talked to
more people that it's like they're likeyeah, they they like, you know,
I was scared of something's going tohappen, Like I was waiting for
something to happen. But nothing elsehappened, And there was and there,
and there was others around that theyknew, like they saw other ones that

(28:18):
were around there. Yeah, lookingfor a pattern in this game is pretty
hard, you know, because theSasquatches, of course, are individuals,
and they all have their own temperaments, they all have their own past experiences
that they build their own lives outof, you know, Like it's hard
to find a pattern and all this, and and then you add on top
of it the unreliability of witnesses andtheir interpretation of what they observe or claim
to observe. The whole thing isjust kind of be fuddling, you know,

(28:41):
just makes you want to hurkle burkleall day. I guess you took
care of that. Yeah, bestas best we can, Little Dave,
Yeah, little Dave, Little Dave, right on. Appreciate your questions.
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyondwith Cliff and Bobo. Will be right
back after these messages. What elseyou got? Prough it theay, Cliff,

(29:08):
Hey, Bobo, it's Adam fromStaffordge England. Again. Hopefully this
time we don't really break you toowell. Just another quick question. Why
do you think we have quite quitea big set of data for footprint casts
but we don't have many knuckles orhandprints? Is it because people just aren't
looking for that type of thing?Thanks and keep up the great work.

(29:30):
I think that's it. Yeah,I mean people have this thing in their
head like you know, toe,big toe, then you know the rest
of the toes, the outline ofhis foot shape. I mean that's that's
what's on my brain when I'm looking, you know, that's that's what you're
most looking for. And then thosethose knuckle princes and stuff. They are
pretty obscure usually, are you think, Clive, Yeah, yeah, And

(29:52):
let me go back to the beginningof your question. We don't have a
lot of footprint evidence. We justsimply don't. I think that the number
of casts in the entire world isis far less than five hundred, probably
less than four hundred, that'd bemy guest. So there's not a ton
of data to be shared anyway.That's a lot of photographs of footprints and
stuff, and that would probably triplethat. Imagine with all the legit photographs

(30:15):
of good quality footprints in the ground. Yeah, you're probably looking at you
know, I don't know, athousand or fifteen hundred or something like that.
And that's being pretty liberal in myestimate there. I think perhaps a
more conservative one to be in orderthere. But and as far as footprints
and handprints, it's hard enough tosee sasquatch footprints in the ground. It

(30:38):
is really a different sort of thing. And I've said that lots of times
that the John Green books and theGroverkrant stuff, and all these footprint casts
really have distorted the Bigfoot communities impressionson Sasquatch impressions, you know, no
pun indentity. They're not usually veryclear, and that's a combination of the
way their foot is and the waytheir foot it interacts with the ground and

(31:00):
also on the substrate on which theywalk on a regular basis. You know,
in my particular area where we're findingthese things. You know, I'm
confident we're finding Sasquatch footprints, andI'm also confident that I'm making mistakes and
doing misidentifications sometimes, I mean,I must be, But at the end
of the day, I think thevast majority of the things that I say

(31:21):
or Sasquatch footprints or handprints probably areBut the people are looking for footprints that
are clear in the ground. We'vebeen taught through the John Green books that
these things are very heavy animals andthey're very deep in the ground, and
that's one of the characteristics of Sasquatchprints, but that simply is not correct.
They have big, soft, paddedfeet that rarely leave an impression.
Very often. I'm finding that theirtoes might a couple toes might make a

(31:47):
weird mark in the ground, ortheir heel might be there, but it's
generally not a full footprint. Sobasically people aren't looking for the right things
for footprints. And then you addthe handprints and knuckle prints on top of
that. Those are even less expectedthan a footprint. You aren't going to
go out and look for I rememberthe first time I saw a sasquatch handprint

(32:08):
out in the woods. It tookme a long time to wrap my head
around what I was seeing. Nicowas there with me. Luckily, Nico's
a good tracker, as I said, and I was there. I said,
Nico, like, we're looking atthis, like, what is this
market? Like? What are thesethese marks in the ground, I mean,
what's like? What is that?Those can't be toes. I tried
to make it. I tried tomake those toe impressions. They weren't.
They were finger impressions. And theneventually that with placement and context and all

(32:34):
that, jazz I said, holycrap, these are handprints. And I
kept asking, am I wrong?Nico said, I don't know. I
think that that's what it looks liketo me. And we went back and
forth for a long time and thenfound footprints nearby and the whole thing and
really solidified our model there, ourperspective, our guests. But people are
not. First of all, theydon't know what they're looking for. And

(32:54):
even with footprints, let alone handprintsand knuckle prints, I think that most
of the handprints that I have foundhave been on vertical surfaces. So these
things are scrambling up like road embankmentsand that sort of stuff a time when
you would expect their hand to touchthe ground. Not all of them,
not all of them, you know, but most of them. And then

(33:15):
when you so if you're going tofind sasquatch handprints or knuckle prints, it
has to be an area where it'skind of lounging around, probably a little
bit. I in my in mycast collection, I obviously have the most
famous one, which is the nineteeneighty two, the June sixteenth, nineteen
eighty two knuckle print from the BlueMountains that Paul Freeman got in conjunction with

(33:37):
the dermal footprints. I have anotherone from Grant's Pass area that Ray Rosa,
one of our guests on the showhere collected back in the day.
I have several others from this past. I have one other there's a questionable
one too. There's another one fromthis past June in Mountain Hood National Forest

(33:59):
that a friend of mine got that'svery very cool. And also there's another
one in doctor Meldrim's book that wascollected by Paul Freeman that initially they identified
as toe marks, but it turnedout to be knuckle marks, and doctor
Meldrim put his hand down in thesame position to really drive that home,
and a picture of it. It'sin doctor Meldrim's book. You could check
that out. But there aren't verymany people out there looking for footprints at

(34:22):
all. Okay, I mean I'mout there at least once a week doing
it, But I mean, howmany other people are out there once a
month specifically looking for footprints in theground. I don't know, that doesn't
maybe maybe that many. And thehandprints are even less frequently found because they're
even harder to identify than sasquatch footprints, which are very hard to identify.

(34:45):
And then you get to the knucklestuff. I have seen knuckle prints in
the ground that if they hadn't beenpointed out to me, I wouldn't recognize
them for what they are. Andwhen I started looking at them, and
go, oh wow, that's reallyinteresting, and then luckily this person cast
one, so it does exist.But anyway, I guess that's a very
very long winded answer. Sorry aboutthat for the short answer, which is

(35:06):
people don't know what to look for, you know, even I'm just still
learning this, you know. I'msure we've all looked at them. We've
all looked at knuckle prints and notrealized what it was. I'm sure,
yeah, yeah, because I knowfor myself, and I'm assuming a lot
of people are out there. WhenI'm out there and I'm seeing things like
could that be this? Or amI just fool in myself? I'm always

(35:28):
asking myself, am I fool inmyself? Because this seems too good to
be true? I mean, it'stoo good to be true to find a
Sasquatch footprint, let alone, youknow, like five or eight since the
beginning of twenty twenty four. Imean that's pretty good stellar, you know.
So I'm always asking myself is doI just have big foot on the
brain. That's why I'm always lookingfor more than one footprint. If I
can find the trackway that goes along ways towards making me feel better about

(35:51):
it, then I usually can,usually can, But trackways aren't like,
oh, there's a footprint, there'sa footprint, there's a footprint. It's
like, oh, this is apossible footprint that's very very shallow and kind
of vague. But over there there'sa scuff mark. Oh, I see
it to over and over there there'sanother scuff mark where the ferns have been
pushed down. You got to lookfor more than just the indentation in the
soil, because ninety nine percent ofsign of any animals passing isn't going to

(36:17):
be in the soil. It's goingto be other sign, broken blades of
grass, push down ferns, thesheen of the morning dew looking a little
bit differently than it does everywhere else. You know, that's sort of stuff.
I'm not a good tracker, buttracking is an art far beyond me.
I'm lucky to have been waiting inthat pool at all in the last

(36:37):
couple of years to the level Ihave, and I'm very very lucky to
have leveled up recently, I think. But yeah, people don't know what
they're looking for. People will walkright past a handprint, let alone footprint,
so let alone knuckle prints they're evenmore rare. Those are my thoughts.
All right, So this is thelast voicemail, and I think you

(36:58):
too might be stumped and trying toanswer this particular one. Good stump me
bring it well, terror part that'sstump and eat the grubs within. Guys,
regarding the bigfoot ness turning out tobe only DNA found a horse related
I know this is gonna sound crazy, but what about terodactyls those people who

(37:22):
claim that they might still exist andcould some horses be somehow related genetically to
terodactyls and that's why that you foundhorse DNA? Just wondering. Bye,
Oh, that's definitely crazy. Yeah, that's that's pretty out there. Yeah,

(37:45):
but this is bigfoot and beyond that'sbig that's bigfoot and gone. But
I don't know. I've never heardthe horse thing, so that would be
my first question. I think aboutthat one and the terodactyls stuff. I
mean, I know some people reportseeing thunderbirds or whatever. Maybe that's what
he's talking about, but I've neverheard a credible report of a pterodactyl siding.

(38:09):
My barber told it years. Mybarber told me sort of about terodactyl
siding, but I strongly think itwas a great blue heron and he was
scared or repelican, Yeah, somethinglike that, you know, something to
that effect. Yeah, But Idon't accept that terodactyls are still living,
so I don't need to worry aboutthat, you know. But as far
as pterodactyls and horses being related,I can't imagine that would be true.

(38:31):
Terodactyls would be reptiles of some sort, and of course horses are mammals,
so I don't think that would bethe case at all. And as far
as he's being terodactyl nests, I'vebeen to the nest site. I've been
to both nest site, and Ijust don't see how they could really be
effective bird nests like a large birdnest at all. There's no sign of

(38:52):
any bird droppings or anything like that. And there were also signs of rocks
being clacked together. Like the rockswere found on top of the surface the
substrate, not down inside of it, so they were placed there, and
sasquatches has been observed knocking rocks together. So I don't think there's any reason
I think that these are anything butsasquatchss at this point, let alone terodactyls
because I don't think terret actyls arestill living, and I don't think and

(39:15):
certainly they're not related to horses.I think that humans are probably far more
closely related to horses than tered actylsare, because we're both mammals. Well,
that that was a good way toend the voicemail ones. That's kind
of cool because some more people gotto send us more. Yeah. Well,
if anybody listening would like to sendus a question via voicemail, go

(39:36):
to the website again, Bigfoot andBeyond podcast dot com and hit the contact
button and you can leave us avoicemail. But that's not the only way.
You can also email us a question. And we're gonna get to the
email questions right now, Bubba,you want to start us off here,
just to clarify for the listeners.When you click the contact button, there's
a written submission form, so itdoes come in via email, but you
don't have to like search our emailaddress or you open up your own email

(40:00):
client and then log in and pinda new email, so you can just
submit it there. So I knowwe say email submission, but it's all
through that same contact form on thewebsite, making it easy for everybody.
Thank you, mister Matt Prut.You couldn't do it without you. All
right. We got a question herefrom uh rabbit rabid says squatch, Oh

(40:22):
rabbit sasquatch the little gap through me? Okay. In Krantz's book, he
mentions that he's identified five characteristic traitsof a sasquatch foot and kept one a
secret in order to help distinguish thehoaxes from real prince. I'm wondering if
Cliff has figured out what the secretcharacter characteristic is actually there. There were

(40:43):
I want to say three characteristics.I could be wrong, maybe this five,
and all of them were kept secret. It wasn't just one, it
was they were all kept secret sohe could stop people from hoaxing him.
It turns out that that when doctorsee a lot of the lot of Krantz's
stuff when he died, went tothe smith Sony and some of the stuff,
a small percentage, probably about tenpercent of it, some cripple footcasts,

(41:05):
some stuff that from Gray's Harvard County. His complete skeleton, Krantz's complete
skeleton with the Smithsonian, along withhis Irish wolfhounds, and a few other
odds and ends, some of hispapers, but most of it, the
Lion's share of his stuff ended upwith doctor Jeff Meldrum And I asked Jeff
about this, and Jeff said heran across an envelope and inside of the
envelope was several things written out incode with the code for translation, and

(41:31):
I have a copy of that somewhere. Doctor Meldrim shared a copy of that
with me, so I actually havea copy of all that sort of stuff.
And if I remember right, andagain this is from this is from
my memory. I think it hadsomething to do with one of them had
to do with the toe placement.Another one had to do with the base
of the metatarsals, coming back toabout halfway back on the foot, if

(41:53):
I remember right. And there wasanother thing in there that is escaping me
for right now. But I've spokento Jeff about these characteristics, and Jeff
says, well, yeah, Imean it turns out I kind of found
out what those things were on myown along the way, and you know,
so he already knew about them.But yeah, that code is actually

(42:13):
out there somewhere and has been translatedby doctor Meldrum and then we did hear
at the NBC for a second.I just can't remember what that third trade
is off the top of my head, but yeah, interesting idea. But
all of those things were kept secret, not just one of them. It
turns out all of those things werekept secret because he didn't want to be

(42:34):
hoaxed. But at the same timehe was also hoaxed. There's a photograph
of a cast in doctor Krantz's book, and that cast is supposedly from Indiana,
if I remember right, and hesaid that it was the best evidence
I think east of the Rockies thathe had. If I am recalling everything
accurately, that track was almost certainlyhoaxed. Larry Lund was telling me that

(42:58):
there was a group of folks bigfootpeople back in the day, that faked
a cast and sent it to himto show that he had that he could
be fooled. And as evidence ofthat, they supposedly put a red plastic
ruler inside of the original cast.And then they later told Krantz about it,

(43:20):
and they said break it and findout. And then at that point
somebody's telling you to break open anoriginal footprint cast, like you're probably not
going to do it. So doctorKrantz never did. He never actually broke
open that cast to see if itwas in there or not. So to
this day, you know, whoknows, maybe it maybe it is a
real cast, and doctor Krantz wascorrect, maybe it's not, and that

(43:42):
red ruler is inside there. ButI was thinking, like, what is
wrong with those people to charge that? First of all, anybody can be
fooled, right, anybody can befooled. So what kind of psychopathy you
know, or mental illness would drivesomeone to show that anybody can be fooled
when everybody knows that anybody can befooled? Like, what is your problem?
First of all? But like whatkind of weird mental problem do you

(44:05):
have in order to show that peoplecan are fallible? Like you didn't know
that. I think one of thebig fallibilities is that somebody would go through
such lengths to pull a prank orto make a point that everybody already knows
just to be a jerk. You'rekind of a jerk if you do that,
So heads up on that, don'tbe a jerk. But yeah,
so these jerks went out and theysent doctor Krantz that fake cast, and

(44:27):
of course that fake cast is theymodeled it off of real Sasquatch tracks had
those characteristics in it, And Krantzsays, eh, I don't know,
maybe it's real. So that's justsit man. You use a real footprint,
a real Sasquatch print as a model, you're probably going to have those
characteristics in it. Whether it's threeor five, I can't remember, but
whatever it is. Yeah, Andno surprise, no surprise that you're using

(44:49):
a real track for a model isgoing to have real Sasquatch characteristics. And
no surprise here. Anybody can befooled with a good enough fake. But
how would you do that? Likewhat kind of weirdo? Are you?
Pathetic loser? Seriously? Like real, real, real issue, real issue.
Yeah, stay tuned for more Bigfootand Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.

(45:13):
Will be right back after these messages. We got another one here from Chris
Buckley. Oh, Chris Buckley.You know Chris Buckley is is cusher singer?
No? Far more important in theBigfoot world than that. I give
a Chris Buckley. Does the nameArchie Buckley ring a bell? Oh?

(45:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Chrisis direct direct relation. I believe Chris
is Archie's grandson. Oh, okay, he's been at the museum a bunch
of times. He emails me stuff. He's shared a story of Archie sitting
around a campfire telling boy scouts aboutBigfoot one time. Yeah, Chris is
a rad dude man. And ofcourse he's royalty Bigfoot royalty because he's related
to Archie Buckley. There's no suchthing. There's no inheritance. It's all

(46:00):
meritocracy. Well, I think Ithink Chris is benefiting from the huge inheritance
from Archie babies. Yeah, thesame last name and that's pretty much all
you got I think for big Footwith Archie. Right, So, but
anyway, go ahead, But wouldyou want to read this one ahead?
Yeah? I really appreciate your carefulbalance of detail and fun. I bet

(46:23):
Archie would too. If the speciesturns out to be related close enough to
modern humans that is recognized with humancognition and language, what two questions would
you most want it to answer for? You? Shoot, two questions?
Well, I know my first questionis like, tell me about your day.
Yeah, that's the only time you'veever asked that question, and be

(46:44):
glad to hear the answer. Iknow, and tell me in real time
too, like a day and likestep by step, that's what I want
to know. Yeah, Like whereand how do you live? Like how
how often do you move? Oh? God, So there's so many questions,
like you want to get two?Are you dangerous to humans? How
many? How many? How manyof your of your species will get violent,

(47:07):
like physically violent and possibly kill ahuman? I'd ask that would be
one of them, but they mightnot know. They certainly wouldn't know if
you asked me that question about humans, I may not know, right,
Gosh, just two questions to ask. Yeah, well, okay, I
think I think it's like tell meabout your day, like what do you
what do you do all day?Like what what's your what's what are you
up to? And then second ofall, maybe is where do you sleep?

(47:30):
Like what's your preferred place to sleep? Yeah that's a good one,
thank you. How far do youmove? Like what's your what's your what's
your home range? Oh? Yeah, maybe you know. Another one is
like how do you tell the otherbigfoots in the area that this is yours
not theirs? Right? Are you? Are you territorial with each other?
If if you guys are territoried withone another. What is the signs uh

(47:55):
or do you do you fight ordo you vocalize? Says? You get
too many questions. You have tofigure out how to put in a broad,
broad question. Yeah, it'd bevery careful. It's like asking a
wish from a genie, you know, because you be very careful about the
way you word that. Yeah,we've all seen the towilatone right, so

(48:15):
I don't know. Yeah, sothere you go. Thank you, Chris.
It's a nice air from you.I'm glad you brought up Archie's name
and it's always nice to have peoplelike yourself and send in questions and thank
you so much. Yeah, thankyou. Next question is from a guy
named Steve Oh. The ability forAI to generate video and images will essentially
cause us to dismiss any photo orvideo evidence moving forward. This may not

(48:39):
really impact bigfoot research, as itseems that ninety nine percent of those who
report a sighting suddenly forget that theyhad a camera or how to use it.
Will you two continue to consider videodash photo evidence? And if so,
what are you doing to educate yourselveson how to identify AI fakes for
this kind of stuff? It's gonnabe an emphasis going back to like videotape

(49:01):
or something you know, like oreven like regular film that's really expensive,
not really too practical, but likeusing the old cable hunter like Roger and
Roger Patterson had, you know,like something like kind of like digital.
Yeah, digital's would be too easyto like shooting too a SD car or
something like you can, I think, too easy to manipulate that, Like

(49:22):
I only trust if it was fromsomeone I knew, like or you know,
it had to be way way youknow, investigated, and you'd have
to have impeccable sources and chain ofcustody and all that kind of stuff.
Yeah, I will certainly continue toweigh video and photographic evidence, although I
imagine that my standard answer of Idon't know is going to be coming up

(49:45):
more and more frequently. But asfar as what I'm doing to educate myselves
myself on how to identify AI fakes, right now, they all kind of
have that same look about them,Like, right now, there's no reason
to think that any of that stuffout there is real, and I think
most that things can easily be identifiedas artificial intelligence generated. But you know,
I also I think people who havelistened for a while, kind of

(50:07):
know that I don't put a tonof emphasis on what other people have done
or are doing. I think forthe most part, I'm really more focused
on what I'm doing. But youknow, I will say that if Bobo
comes back with a photograph, it'snot going to be AI man, because
I know Boba well and he's gotlike technologically challenged in some ways. You

(50:29):
know, I think that it hasto go by a case by case basis.
You know, that's one of thethat's one of the things that people
hold up as evidence about the PattersonGimlin film being real is that Roger wasn't
capable of doing a fake like thatright now. Bobo's not capable of photoshop
stuff right now. I mean,I'm barely play with photoshop. I'm not
capable of photoshop stuff or AI.Really at the end of the day,

(50:52):
I know, I could just typesome prompt on some program or something like
that have AI pump it out forme, But honestly, I don't even
know where to do that. Iam most focused on what I produce.
Everybody else's stuff is interesting hearsay atbest if I know the person personally and
I can trust them, you know, like that'ster Matt Prude or somebody like
that. You know, the thengreat, I can at least fall back

(51:13):
on my relationship with that person tohave some sort of faith in the thing
that they produce. But as faras anything on the Internet, I kind
of think most I mean ninety fivepercent of stuff on the internet's all fake
anyway, even if people think it'sreal, I think most of it's garbage.
So we'll see, We'll see whensomebody produces something of value. But
then we're gonna have to look beyondthat. We're gonna look at the person's

(51:36):
capability. Are they able to dothis. We're gonna look at the person's
background, have they faked things beforethey big for researchers, et cetera,
blah blah blah. We're also gonnahave to look at any footprint, footprint,
photographs, or cast taken at thescene. Again, one of the
great things about the PG film isthat is supported with multiple kinds of evidence,
and I think that any photograph orvideo going forward is going to have

(51:59):
to be So if you, ifanybody out there gets photographic evidence of Sasquatch,
you need to get back on thescene, or get a researcher back
on the scene as soon as possibleto find other things that might corroborate your
story, because at the end ofthe day, a story is still a
story even if it has a picturewith it, So you have to have
something else to really bolster your claim, So keep that in mind. Yeah,

(52:27):
last question, Matthew Hepworth, Hi, big Foot and Beyond. I'm
a big fan of your podcast.I'm twenty four years old. I've been
interested in salesquach since I was little. I was wonderay of Cliff and Bo.
Do any expeditions with listeners keep itsquatchy? Nope? I did.
I did when I was saving moneyto make the museum. I brought small
groups out. I think they're reallygood expeditions. Most, I think the

(52:47):
vast majority of not everyone who wenton them had a good time. We
got great stuff that produced a coupleof Class A sightings like daytime sightings,
a couple of interesting Class B sightingsthrough thermal imagers. We got footprint,
so we got sounds. Yeah,it was a good time was had by
all, and everybody got to goto the Glenn Thomas site here in mountain
Hood National forests where the sasquatches wereseen digging out the hybernating ground squirrels from

(53:10):
the rock slope. So yeah,I think everybody had a great time and
everything, but I do not dothat anymore because I'm far too busy.
And those take a tremendous amount oftime and efforts and even money to produce,
basically because you got to get yougot to get permits from Mountainhod National
Force every all public land you haveto have permits run these trips on and
you have to I fed people ofcourse every single day, insurance insurance on

(53:35):
top of it. You have togive a cut of your proceeds to the
National Forests anoder the permit. Soyeah, it's a it's a tremendous hassle.
And permitting, at least from MountinhodNational Forests starts. It starts and
ends in November, and you haveto tell them where you're going to be
going the following summer, whatever datesyou choose, so you kind of have

(53:55):
to give them a map and highlightmaps on a Forest Service map where you
intend to be walking at night anddoing that sort of stuff, and you
just never know. I found itto be far more cumbersome of a burden
than I wanted. Uh, Andyou know, it helped me raise some
money for the museum, and itwas cool and I learned some sponts.
It was great. But I don'tdo that anymore. I just do I

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go out a loan or in veryvery very small groups. I was starting
to do some more and then Ihad, uh when I had all my
gear ripped off, when that thatpublican got stolen off the back of my
truck, when I was load enoughto go up to go up for a
trip. Yeah, I did.I did a couple in the last couple
of years. I did one thisyear, and uh, usually it's just

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kind of like, I mean,people always like, hey, you know,
you know, I'll buy the beer, let's go, you know,
like that kind of stuff, andI'm like, you know, it's yeah,
it's it's a big deal. Imean, it's it's a lot of
work. I mean, you gottabecause you unless you have like a set
spot you're going to. But Itry to like stay up on what's going
on, the latest things like wherewe're most likely to find them, and
then go to that spot. Andyeah, you got to like rhun scout

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ahead of time and you know,put a lot of time in figure out
the best chances we're gonna you know, possibly hear hear something or have an
encounter. And it's pretty stressful too, you know. You tell people like
don't expect to see anything, oryou know, you might hear something,
but don't expect to see anything,and then you still feel it's pressure to

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like deliver, you know. Itis a lot of pressure. Yeah,
and for me, I did alimited load, you know, like we
only took ten or twelve people outof total, and then we capped it
and that's it. And even then, like there's ten or twelve people expecting
you to put them on a sasquatch. Yeah, that's a nuts thing that.
I mean, we got really luckywe hit something usually on ever big

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trip, you know, but sometimesit was down to that last night,
and it's God, I hope they'reover here, hope somebody hears something.
You know. Yeah, the pressureis just overwhelming. Honestly, it's just
it kind of takes away. They'restill fun to do, don't get me
wrong. I mean, who doesn'tlike bigfooting, But it's just so much
pressure and so much time, somuch money to go out and at the
end of the day, you know, it's it's hard to turn a profit.

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And that was my goal at thetime because I was trying to dump
money into the museum. Now thatthat pressure is off, you know,
I'm just choosing not to do themanymore. Yeah, I mean, you
had Jill and Sharon Blart. Shewas I mean that was the best.
You had the best camp host ever. She was such a fantastic cook and
bake baked desserts, multiple desserts everyday. And yeah, that was great.

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Yeah, I will say I thinkI ran probably the best expeditions ever.
Nothing against the BFO or anybody elsewho does these things, but we
had Sharon Beelart cooking free every night, and it's like having your your mother
cooking for the entire family every singlenight. It was a killer. On
top of that, we had aspecial guest, I mean, Bobo was
our special guest on some we hadDerek Randall's, we had doctor Jeff Meldrum
out there, we had we hadlike, you know, quote unquote celebrities

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on every single trip. Every singletrip, all the camping was taken care
of. I told you I couldn'tput you on a big Foot. But
we all went to the Glenn Thomassite every single expedition, so you got
to see these holes in the groundthat the sasquatches dug. Yeah, those
are pretty a great expedition and againsasquatches are around the daylight sidings. In

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one case we had one daylight sightingand several nighttime things. Really really cool
stuff happened, but no more toobad. All right, Well, I
think that's about it for this Qand a thank you very much for all
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