Ep. 308 - Get To The Chopper!

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Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bulbo.

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And now your hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Boogle Fay.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Hey bobes. What's happening to man?

Speaker 5 (00:33):
Oh? Not much, just sitting in the dark room with
dark sunglasses on. Why because all my headsets are not
working and the only thing I could find was this
old pair of bows sunglasses that have little speakers next
to come out next to you, like external speakers that
come out right next to your ears, and the speakers
work given with the sunglasses are just they're too small

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and too dark, so I never really wear them.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Oh, any chance you can take a selfie of that
and send it to us, Yeah, i'd love to see that.
We post on the members section or something. Then again,
you also said you're in a dark room, so don't
send us like a it's not dark, it's still daylight.

Speaker 5 (01:14):
I was just really storming out, really dark.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
I didn't want a picture that was just a you know, darkness,
So I'd love to see that. Though that sounds like
a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
That would have been a good gag. You could have
just sent like a jet black square and said like, yeah,
that's it, that's what you asked for.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
I don't know about you, but I look better in
the dark.

Speaker 5 (01:34):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Well, I received some good news from one of our
beloved listeners yesterday. What's up if you guys recall we
did a topical episode a while back and the Playing
with the Boys video came up again and I'd said,
you know what, somebody needs to go and edit that
Wikipedia entry to reflect that that Bobo was in that video.
And so one of our good members, Neil, who we've

(01:58):
chatted with before, he said an email yesterday to the
podcast and said, just figured ou'd pay the positivity forward.
So I went to the link and in the music
video section of the Wikipedia entry for Playing with the Boys,
that says actors James Bobo Fey, best known for the
Animal Planet television series Finding Bigfoot and the podcast Bigfoot
and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo, co presented by Cliff

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Barrickman and produced by Matt Pruitt, stars in this music video. Nice.
So thanks to Bobo and thanks to Neil. Now Cliff
and I are forever instantiated in a bit of the
Logins legacy.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Kenny Loggins is a big tent and there's plenty of
room for everyone here.

Speaker 5 (02:39):
That's funny. If Nils listening, as I say, if Nil's listening,
give you a little so I turns blue on.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
There.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
You know you can click a little thing, says the vows, Yeah,
under our names like he linked to the Finding Bigfoot
wiki entry and then to the podcast website, to Cliff's
website and to my website.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
So you got to get a web side up so
it can click to somewhere.

Speaker 5 (03:02):
Oh it is how it works, yes, sir, Okay.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yeah, generally, but link's got to go somewhere, right, So.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Thank you so much Neil for doing that. That gave
me a big chuckle. Greatly appreciate that. And say hello
to your mom for us too, because she's also an
avid listener, so we greatly appreciate that. I expected my
life will change tremendously now that I'm part of the
Logins family, and.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
I just love you know, non criminal gorilla mischief, Absolutely
love it. So thank you so much. That's amazing, amazing.

Speaker 5 (03:33):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Where's this picture, Bobs? I haven't seen it yet.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
See when Bobo was talking about having his Roger Patterson
first editions in his safe, I thought he was joking.
But I do see a safe, and I think that's
where they are.

Speaker 5 (03:47):
That's exactly where they are.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
It's true, it's true. I've seen him. Bobo has quite
the book collection. It may not be as large of
a collection as some other folks in the big book community,
but his, you know, the books that he has far
make up for it.

Speaker 5 (04:03):
And I got that one. I got a couple of
books that not many people have got, like that Chinese one.
The guy said, the no non Chinese, how the Chinese one,
because Danny Perez was pretty pretty jealous of that.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, we picked that up in Shinozha right when we're
over there. Or did you get it somewhere else?

Speaker 5 (04:19):
No, there, got it from that profession. We talked to
you about that.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
I love the picture. Okay, I just got the picture.
It looks amazing, Bob. It's just like, that's how I
always want to remember you.

Speaker 5 (04:31):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Well, I had some other stuff this week happened that
was kind of kind of fun. I got, you know,
Toby Johnson. Oh yeah, yeah, but good friend, good guy,
I've done it for a long time, you know, I
go way back, he kind of. He's guy that pointed
me towards the London tracks back in the days. So God,
I must have met him in two thousand and eight
or twenty ten or something. I don't know when, a
long time ago. He lives up in the Olympic Peninsula now,

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But I like the guy a lot. We've been good
friends for a long time, despite our differing beliefs on sasquatches.
But he texted me this past week and he brought
up something that well, he basically said, Cliff, look at
this or whatever, you have any thoughts on it? And
go what is this? And it was a YouTube link
and I, what is this?

Speaker 5 (05:12):
Man?

Speaker 2 (05:12):
I don't like watching bigfoot YouTube stuff. So I clicked
it and it turns out it's his page. I didn't
know he had a YouTube channel, but he does, and
I'm gonna plug it. In fact, I'll put the same
link in the map prudo, but at the same link
in the show notes below. His channel is called Olympic
Strange Days, Bigfoot Paranormal Everything's on the table sort of thing.

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As near as I can figure, this is the only
no I've seen two of his videos, but as they're
both happy to do with this one topic here, so
I clicked on it and basically he had access to
this video that he said he's been sitting on for
five years. And I said, oh, this thing again, right,
because several years ago, and I don't remember what year
it was, but Toby came up to me and at

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squatch Fest I think it was, and he goes, Cliff,
look at this video I have And I go, oh, yeah, yeah,
I know that videos. It's not a real bigfoot.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
He goes, what do you mean?

Speaker 2 (06:04):
And I told him a little bit about it and
stuff and told him what I knew about it, and
it kind of surfaced again and he was thinking, Now,
I don't think maybe he didn't believe me at first,
or maybe it just kind of forgot or whatever. But
I told him the origins of it, which we'll get
into in a minute, and now he started asking other people.
He has quite a few other individuals. Again, if you

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watch the video, he can tell you from his perspective
what he went through to get to the bottom of this.
And he sent me a link to one of his
videos on his Olympic Strange Days YouTube channel, and I'm
looking at the text right now when he wrote feedback,
who hoaxed this? And then well, it wasn't really a hoax.
That's not really the right word for it. So but

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I think it's so odd how things just cycle back through.
And basically the video is a thermal video. It appears
to show a sasquatch walking through the woods being chased
by either a drone or a helicopter. It was actually
a helicopter. I know the backstory of this. I've seen
photographs and all that stuff, but it's basically a thermal

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video of a purported sasquatch taken from a helicopter. And
I guess, and again, watch Toby's video. He'll tell you
his version of it, like how he got it and
what he was told about it. So my details, since
I've not watched the whole video of Toby's video, I've
just watched the important parts and stuff, I might be

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a little off, but basically, somebody tried to give this
to him, saying that it was a release or leaked
military video or something like that taken in the nineties.
I believe of a sasquatch and secret and all this
sort of stuff, and it wasn't at all. It wasn't
at all. I know where this video came from. So
I guess probably that's the best story to tell right now,

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is that this video crossed my desk in twenty fourteen,
twenty fifteen, somewhere in there, Chad Hammel, the field producer
for Finding Bigfoot, supervising field producer, he's basically in charge
of the show out in the field. He texted this
to me because he got it. And this is probably
at the end of twenty fourteen, early twenty fifteen, somewhere
in there. He got it from Fleer, from Fleer itself,

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and Fleer was clearing out there. You might remember this,
Bobo as I tell more about it. Yeah, yeah, So
Fleer was cleaning out their closets at the corporate headquarters
there in Wilsonville, the local corporate headquarters, and they came
across a VHS tape that said Bigfoot on him, That's
all I said. So they popped it in and sure enough,
it just seemed to show a sasquatch wandering around. They
had no idea where it was, where it was coming from,

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or anything like that, and so they they played it
on a TV screen and then they videotaped the screen
while they're watching it for the first second or third
time or something like that, you know, they're watching it
for the p and then they texted that the Chad
Hamil and said, hey, you know what any think about this?
And Chad texted it to me saying, clips you know

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anything about this? And I go, no, I've never seen
that before. It's really interesting. Maybe we should do an
episode on it or something. And he said, yeah, maybe
we should, And but we didn't have We didn't know
where it was coming from. We just knew Flear found
it and stuff, and no, that's interesting enough story, that's
mystery and everything. So we're kind of gearing up to
do one of the mount Hood episodes on this particular
piece of footage. So you know, when we shot Finding Bigfoot,

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we would shoot you know what, three to five episodes,
and then we'd come home for a couple of weeks
and like two weeks and go back on the road
shoot three to five more episodes. We'd be gone for
like five six weeks at a time, get home, we
can have two weeks, go back on the road for
five or six weeks at a time, and you know,
Rinse Wash repeat for a long time. And the run
we were filming before we were planning to do this

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particular Mount Hood Mystery thermal video that Fleer discovered. We
were shooting the main episode and I was hanging out
with Lauren Coleman. I was with Lauren and his museum
and just kind of shooting the poop and talking about
things that are going on and whatever. And I said, Lauren,
check out this video that we have that we're going
to be doing something on mounta Hood we don't know
anything about. We just thought it would be fun to

(10:01):
do and kind of one of the pieces of the
puzzle here. And I showed it to Laura and he goes,
looks familiar. So well, I don't remember where. I can't
quite remember where I've seen that before, but I know
I've seen that somewhere. I said, oh, that's interesting if
you if you remember, I'd love to hear about it. Cool.
And then like that day or a couple of days later,
I get an email from Lauren saying, Cliff I remembered

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where it was. It was from Unsolved Mysteries episode in
nineteen ninety four that Peter Burn was part of, and
I go, no kidding, no kidding, And which is great
because you know, we almost included that as one of
the things we're looking into in our Finding Big Fit episode.

Speaker 5 (10:39):
I was going, there's no way that can't be real.
Like I was like that, like that's that's so good,
Like I thought I was. I thought I was for
sure real.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah, it looked pretty good. I mean now looking at
it now, you can there's some telltale things. You can
tell it's a suit. Short arms, well yeah, yeah, yeah.
But the thing that really jumps out to me that
shows us a suit is you know, again we're looking
at heat right because from a limagu or you're not
looking at an actual thing. And by the way, you
can see this video in Toby's YouTube thing. We're not
going to post it or anything like that because we
don't own it, but Toby did it and he's cool

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with that, so you can see it on Toby's deal.
But basically, where the suit rests upon the human inside
of it is the warmest part of the suit. So
you can see the top part of the shoulders are
much warmer than most of the rest of the body.
You know, and as the animal or the guy in
the suit is walking around, it gets warmer and warmer,
and that it exaggerates it more. You can basically see

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where the human is in contact with the suit more
than the parts it's not. And that's one of the
dead giveaways of a person in a suit when you're
looking at them in thermal imaging.

Speaker 5 (11:38):
Right.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
So anyway, we had to change things around real fast
and fill a hole in the episode that we kind
of plugged in this particular piece of footage and stuff,
and there you go. So that is the source of
that video. And I told that to Toby a couple
of years ago, but I guess he forgot or I
was looking for more evidence of it or something, or
you know. And again, just like I tell you guys
all the time, you don't believe me, fact check me,

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please do. I tell you the truth as I remember it.
But I'm incorrect sometimes everybody is no big deal. But
I'll always tell you my version of the truth. And
maybe I'm in correct sometimes, but maybe that's what Toby assumed.
I was just incorrect. So anyway, the sinks surfaced again
this past week and I said, well, who hoaxed this?
He asked, and I go, well, it's not a hoaxince
from nineties, and you know, I followed up, by the way,

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not with Peter, but with Larry Lund at the time,
back in twenty fifteen. I forwarded it to Larry Lund
and he goes, oh, yeah, yeah, I was there on
that shoot. And then next time I was hanging out
with Larry, because Larry and I get together a couple
times a year and just hang out. And he pulled
out photographs from that very shoot and it was shot
on the east side of Mountain Hood and he had
the pictures of the guy in the suit with the

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head off of it, you know, like taking a break
and getting some air. He had pictures of the helicopter
and the whole nine.

Speaker 5 (12:52):
You know.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
It was clearly that episode Unsolved Mysteries. Whatever season it was,
I don't know. I know it's on Amazon Prime though,
if you do want to pull it up. Amazon Prime
has it. That's where I pulled it up. So anyway,
he was saying, hey, can you get any more information
on it? And I said, well, it's a TV show.

Speaker 5 (13:07):
It was Unsolved Mysteries.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it goes. How come I can't find
the footage online and stuff? And I said, I don't know,
but that's what it was. And so what I did
is I pulled up the episode and kind of rewatched it.
It turns out that that footage is not actually in
the episode, which is part of the mystery of it,
or was the mystery of it? They and you know
what it is is. You know, Bobie, you'll appreciate this

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probably more than most of our listeners would because you've
been associated so closely with television for so long. Is
that chasing a bigfoot around with the helicopter really didn't
fit the storyline that they set up. The story that
they set up because they were doing Peter Burns Bigfoot
research project, and Peter was basically saying, look at me,
I've got a helicopter in advanced thermal imaging technology. And

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this is in ninety four, by the way, so terms
were practically unheard of at the time. This was high,
high level stuff in ninety four. You know, you can
look at the quality of the footage and say, oh, yeah,
that's pretty good quality therm right there, and for ninety
four it's outrageous. You know, that was a very expensive
unit back in the day. And Peter was basically saying, yeah,
look at the tech I have in case you want

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to give my nonprofit more money and stuff, and like,
look what we can do. And that's what that was
the hook of this particular segment. You know, Peter Burns
Bigfoot research project, which was based out in Parkdale on
the east side of Mount Hood and the story of
the episode. When you watch the episode of Unsolved Mysteries, it's, yeah,
we're here with this cracked team of bigfoot nerds and
whatever else, and they're doing a run through, a practice

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run chasing a fugitive because chasing a fugitive will give
us more practice on chasing a real bigfoot when that
time comes. So apparently they filmed both them, and you
can see the footage of the guy running through the
trees and everything. But in the footage you'll see on
Toby's page there, it's actually a guy in a bigfoot suit. Now,
the thing is, you can see the GPS coordinates in

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both pieces of footage, see the date stamp, and you
can see the time stamp on both pieces of footage.
The GPS coordinates are almost identical, the date is obviously
the same, and the time stamp itself. I think the
Bigfoot stuff was like five minutes later, three to eight
minutes later, somewhere there, you know. So it was shot
right after the dude running through the woods for practice,

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because you aren't going to put a helicopter down and
then put it back up. You're just going to make
a guy run because helicopters are too expensive for that
sort of thing. So they filmed the dude running through
which is the actual footage that they used in the episode,
and then they filmed the Bigfoot stuff which they never
used in the episode, which is you know, makes sense
to me because and I'm sure Bobo too, because we're
you know, we did TV for so long, a lot

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Speaker 2 (18:12):
So I got to show all this stuff to Toby,
and he happened to be driving through town. So he's
at the museum and I pulled up the you know,
the Unsolved Mysteries episode. Then I put the footage, the
version I have, I had it for years and years
and years, and my hard drive right next to it,
and I pointed out the GPS, I pointed out the
Times stuff, and I pointed out this and that, and
there you go. And so one more misidentification of a

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piece of footage, I guess has been put to bed.
And by the way, the reason I'm bringing this up
is not only because it's Bigfoot related and finding Bigfoot related,
and you know, it's not really a hoax because it
was a recreation filmed for a TV show, right, so
they didn't intend for it to be a hoax. But

(18:57):
since Toby posted this like last week, you know, this
past week, I should say, what is it today? Wednesday?
I think Toby was in the town on Sunday or so.
I don't know. This last week he started posting all this.
It's already crossed my desk twice on social media, on
emails and stuff, people saying, look at this cliff. Is
it real? That's military blah blah blah, is it out?

(19:20):
Oh my god, is this real? Cliff? So people are
now repurposing this footage that was filmed as a recreation
and saying that it is a military thing or somebody
filmed this or has been leaked or whatever. And and
I'll tell you now that is hoaxing. The footage itself
is not a hoax because it was never intended for

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it to be a hoax. But people who are out
there saying that it's real and this is the backstory
and all this other stuff that could very well cross
that line, that fuzzy line into hoaxing. So be careful
what you believe out there. And I'm sure that this
is not going to be the end of this particular
piece of footage. It will continue to resurface. Now that

(20:03):
it has been put out in the public realm, people
are going to grab it, and you know, as people
ebb and flow through the Bigfoot community, over the next
five or eight years, we will continue to see this
particular piece of footage. But let it be known that
it is not real. And you know, I mean I
Bubba and I both saw it and we thought, oh,
that looks amazing, but it is not real. It was

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It's not truly a hoax until someone purports it to
be from something that it is not and they know
better then that's hoaxing. But anyway, you know, one of
the cool things about this is that in Toby's video
that you can watch that because it'll be in the
show notes, he offers this really cool carved bigfoot head
as a prize for whoever can can solve this mystery,

(20:47):
and he gave it to me. I didn't. I told him, dude,
you didn't have to do that. I mean, he's a
chainsaw carver now as part of his living. You don't
have to do that. Man, we're friends, and you know,
I just tell you. I just I'm glad the truth
is out there. But he said, no, no, no, this is cool.
I'm excited about it. And you know, I told everybody
I would do it, and I want to do it.
So I accepted it as a donation to the North

(21:08):
American big Foot Center. So now I have two, actually
have three pieces of art from Toby Johnson in the museum,
and I couldn't be happier about it. And it was
nice to hang out with Toby again because I just
loved the guys had a lot of fun. So we'll
be posting some of this stuff to uh probably do
the members. I'm guessing right through it.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
Yeah, that's the easiest place to host all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yeah, so I'll send you a couple of pictures of
the head and stuff like that, and I'll send that
to you right now, Matt, and there you go. So
that's kind of some of the big news that was
happening in this past week in my life. At least
I want a cool bigfoot head. There will be a
picture of it on the for the members, of course.
And yeah, I got to get to the bottom of
another mystery like any like any good hardy boy would

(21:52):
well done.

Speaker 5 (21:53):
Yeah, I saw that video. I got, I got, I
got like several texts and emails going like, dude, if
you've seen this as this is insane. I was like,
that's mystery solved already, like over ten years ago.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yeah, yeah, it's kind of It was funny to see
it again. It's like, well, of course that's going to
come around again. And so I thought it'd be a
good idea to talk it, spend a little time on
our podcast here getting out to a lot of people's
ears that if you see this, don't believe it, don't
get all excited about it, and diffuse the misinformation. This
has been put to bed thanks to Lauren Coleman. Straight out.
Thank you to Lauren Coleman because he recognized it. I

(22:29):
did not when I first saw it. It didn't sound
like you did either, Bob. So like, Lauren saved us
in a lot of ways, because not only would that
have been an embarrassment, but then again, at the same time,
you know, that footage was never actually aired, which is
part of the reason it didn't look familiar, But it
looked familiar enough because of the other stuff chasing the
dude through the forest that Lauren clued in on it.

(22:51):
So it hats off to Lauren for putting the pieces
together for us. And like, imagine the embarrassment of finding
Bigfoot doing that and then finding out that another television
production actually owned that footage, you know, and then finding
Bigfoot put it out. That'd be hilarious. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
The same old videos and pictures resurface every year because
the turnover rate in Sasquatchree is so high that there's
always like a bevy of brand new people who haven't
been exposed to this stuff. And what people do, like
in this case, is they're like, oh, I received this.
It was a leak from you know, they changed the backstory.
You remember that picture of a I think it was

(23:30):
a melanistic leopard. I think it was from Africa, although
it might have been a melanistic jaguar in South America.
Either way, it was taken in like an enclosed environment.
But it's been around for like twenty five years on
the internet, and everyone's like, oh, yeah, my cousin got
this in his backyard in Texas, Georgia, Tennessee, Arizona, Arkansas.
You know, it doesn't matter where. People just find those

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pictures reposted and act like, you know, they're the ones
who uncovered it, and there's a whole new group of
people to go, oh.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
My god, this is amazing.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
This guy took this in his backyard, or you know,
Toby received leaked intel from the military, or whatever the
case may be. You know, yeah, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Again, a lot of this on YouTube and the internet
and social media and stuff. I don't pay too much
attention to any of that stuff. But Toby was given
me was speaking in such a way that led me
to believe that there's a fair number of people that
think this is real footage. Out there, you know, so
it'll be interesting to see who goes to the mat
for to say that this is real, and you know,
all that kind of stuff. But not that I'll ever

(24:30):
hear about it or care necessarily, But I just think
it's so funny that people would stick to their opinion.
You know, I'm assuming, maybe I'm hopefully I'll be just
wrong about this, but I would expect some people to
stick to their opinion instead of the facts, because their
opinion to them are facts.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
There were people who sent that or even in the past,
things like that, and you know, they'll take it pretty
hard when you deflate them, and then they'll say things like,
oh God, but I wish it was real, And we
have a saying here in the South, and I'll clean
it up for the air. But you know, you can
wish in one hand and poop in the other and
wait and see which one fills up first.

Speaker 5 (25:05):
I love that saying.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
I mean, there was one a guy sent me a
couple of years ago. That was the two thousand and
eight Rick Dyer Matt Whitten Bigfoot Body in the Freezer hoax.
That someone sit a guy who calls himself a sasquatch
researcher sent me that pictures like, oh my god, have
you seen this? And I was like, dude, really.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Well, yeah, things like that surface all the time all
the I've seen some footprints like that as well. And
then every once in a while something really throws a
curveball at me where it's something I recognize, but a
different version of it that isn't put out there as
a hoax but just mistaken identity. I think I meant
maybe mentioned this couple maybe a couple months ago, like

(25:49):
two or three months ago. Yeah, I must have, because
Meldrum sent me a photograph of a footprint in the
ground from that. He said it was from sixty eight
or sixty nine or something. I think it was sixty eight,
and it was it was clearly a Patterson Gimlin footprint,
you know, And I say, oh, this might be the
first evidence of that animal being tracked after the film,
you know. But it turns out that it was another

(26:11):
photograph from when Jim McLaren went there, not Jim McLaren.
Lyle Laberty. Yeah, Lyle Laberty went there, so somebody else
on his crew took a picture, or maybe Lyle Laborty
took another one that i'd never been published, but it
was literally one of those same footprints in the ground
that Lyle Laberty photographed, but a different angle at it
that I'd never seen before. So there's stuff out there

(26:33):
that every once in a while surfaces, and this has
bad information on it, because that was whoever sent it
to Meldrum said that Forrest Service took it, and I
think it was I think he claimed that he took it,
or one of somebody in his family or something, but
it was in sixty eight and that was incorrect, and
I think Meldrum went back and said, actually, this isn't
sixty eight, it was sixty seven, and the guy kind of like, well,

(26:53):
I'm not sure that's accurate, but it clearly was. You
could see the same rocks in the picture, and it
was clearly a Patty footprint.

Speaker 5 (27:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
So there's all sorts of different iterations of that sort
of phenomenon, like the same things being recycled for the
public in various ways, with various backstories, some nefarious like
straight up made up, some just repeated from somebody else
who made it up, and then some just erroneous.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
I see it a lot with some of the new
content creators too, because they're always looking for new things
to post or talk about, so they'll resurrect old things
that they don't realize our hoaxes and put it out
to their audience like hey, what do you guys think
of this? Where it's like, hey, if you had looked
into that for five seconds, you would have had the
correct thoughts about it.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
But oh well, yeah, well, social media really is about
the quick and easy, you know, I mean, you can.
I love that. I saw something years ago when I
paid more attention to it. It was some sort of
inflammatory headline on an article that, if you read it,
points out that nobody reads articles but gets all beat

(28:00):
out of shape at headlines. And it was great because
you look at the comments and they just they fed
right into it. They totally fell for the joke dash
trap that they that was set for them, and it
was absolutely hilarious. I just loved it. But you know again,
social media is for the quick and easy. Frankly, it's
for the lazy in my opinion, Like you like, if

(28:21):
you don't you don't want to know something, go on
social media. They'll tell you all about what you don't
want to know.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
I think that's why we don't really post much short
form content because we're not for that attention span. You know,
I'm not interested in appealing to that sort of attention span.
Things that are really complex and rich. You can't just
flatten it into some like two dimensional three second long,
five second long presentation. Like no, if you if you

(28:46):
want to hear what this is about, you might have
to listen for an hour, but then you'll fully understand it.
But no, you can't just condense it to some short
form thing. I think people are creating a lot of
short form stuff, so you see it everywhere. But most
people when they get on those apps like YouTube or
podcast like, they want to hear in depth discussions or
analyzes or explorations of the subjects that they're interested in.

(29:09):
They don't just want to scroll through reels and clips
all day. They want to dig in. I mean, we've
been running for six years and have tens of thousands
of subscribers on the audio platform, so of which I'm
exceedingly extremely grateful. So I think that's a testament to that. Like, No,
I don't think everybody just wants you know, quick clips thankfully.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Yeah, Well, let's hope I'm glad. I'm glad that that
seems to be true. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and
Beyond with Cliff and Bobo will be right back after
these messages. Well you know enough about that. I mean,
I think that was an important thing to go over

(29:49):
because people will be seeing this footage out there and
now you know, now you know, and you can help
stop the spread of misinformation, you know, from people who
say that they know where this came from and whatever else.
And somebody's gonna say Cliff is full of it. I'm
not full of anything, man, except for facts. At this one.
You can we can prove this one. So don't don't
let anybody who's poopoing this. I've got no dog in

(30:11):
this fight. Sure I want a cool carving, but that's
the end of it. But anyway, well, this is actually
a topical episode and for the last half hours, so
we're going to dive into a couple of these topics
and get through as many as we can, and then
we'll run off and do a members episode with a
couple of those things in it. But for now, let's
start with this one article here.

Speaker 5 (30:30):
Where is it?

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Let me pull it up? Okay, this one is Manga
Bay is the name of the publication and the article's
title is camera traps capture first glimpse of genetically distinct
chimps in Southwestern Nigeria. And to summarize this pretty much, basically,
there's a very very genetically distinct species of chimpanzee that

(30:55):
is out there in Nigeria in its place called what
is it key or E C E S. I think
it is.

Speaker 5 (31:02):
As cool as the only indigenous grassroots conservation organization in
all of Nigeria. And they're the ones that got the footage.
That's a good score for them.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
You want to know where the habits of been animal,
you talk to a local person. Yeah, yeah, but this
particular article is cool and it's very hopeful because they
had not gotten pictures of these things, and they were
going around telling the local people saying, hey, we have
to change our ways because these this rare species of
chimp is out here. But they had not captured any
video of them. They had not captured any photographs of them.

(31:36):
They're just saying, I think they're here. And then the
local people were not willing to stop their habits because
they weren't so sure. And I think That's one of
the one of the big takeaways from this article is
that I think, I guess one of the things that
like that there's a lot of land use for you know,
like marijuana cultivation in this particular area.

Speaker 5 (31:55):
Yeah, surprised to see that. I was like, what in
Nigeria there's a weed growing region, had no idea.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah, and of course we'd growing I just a plant
and everything, but a lot of the chemicals that are
used in it are really damaging into the environment, you know,
I guess a lot of the fertilizers in particular or whatever,
and it's a very nutrient hungry plant, I guess. So, yeah,
they were kind of screwing up a lot of land
and taking a lot of the habitat from these chimpanzees

(32:23):
for marijuana and other things as well. They're just damaging
the environment. But now that they got a picture of
one of these things, the local people are saying, oh okay,
oh yeah, now we're with you. Now we can help out.
Now that we know that what's up, we're happy to
do some stuff and change our ways a little bit
to help these chimpanzees because it is a very endangered species.

(32:45):
Chimpanzee or a type of chimpanzee or sub subspecies. I
guess they estimate there's about twenty five of these things
living in an area of about eight thousand acres. Now
eight thousand acres sounds like a lot, and it is,
don't get me wrong, But I didn't know how much
it was, so did little math. It's twelve point five

(33:06):
square miles, you know, so something about three and a
half miles on a side, like a square that big.
Twenty five chimpanzees are living in that big or small
of an area, which I think is a big takeaway
as well, because you think with that limited of a range,
people would be seeing these things more often.

Speaker 5 (33:21):
Right Yeah, I think the bush meat hunters is the
biggest problem for those guys there, because that's a smaller
to be a bush meat hunter.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Oh yeah, in twenty five you know, twenty five animals
wouldn't get you very far if that's what you lived on,
right yeah, But pretty cool, Pretty cool, And you know,
a lot of the comment in this article is about
how the habitat is just really damaged in a lot
of ways. Here's a quote. The forest was badly degraded,
and the chimps were mostly found along the forest by

(33:49):
the river, which makes a lot of sense because that's
where the richest habitat is going to be. That's where
most of the food is going to be. Food, water cover,
that's what all the animals need. But even then, these
things were not seen very often, and a lot of
the people who lived there didn't even think there were
any in there. And now that's all changed with a
couple of good photographs. And what could that mean for sasquatch?

(34:10):
Kind of the same thing, I think, kind of the
same thing. If Warehouser shared a picture that they got,
or somebody like you or me, or somebody got a
game camera picture across the road from Warehouser Land, maybe
that would change something. It would certainly not make Warehouser
very happy, I'm sure, because they don't want to change anything. Warehouser,

(34:32):
of course, is a big logging company out here in
the Pacific Northwest. I don't know if there are.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
The nationwide matt you have them in the South. I'm
not certain if Warehouser is in the Southeast. I mean,
I've seen that name a lot, but there's other big
timber companies like you know, obviously in Georgia. You've got
a lot of Georgia Pacific land and then ray and
Eer is another big one.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
But you know, I've seen Warehouser a lot, but I
couldn't tell you from memory, like which states I've seen
that and if it was just in the Northwest or not.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Yeah, I kind of have to wonder, like if there
were a couple there were a couple really good pieces
of footage or pictures or something, and people, even if
it wasn't a proven species yet sasquatches weren't exactly academically accepted.
What that might do to the land use folks, you know,
would they change their ways at all? Because that's one
of my great hopes about the discovery of the sasquatch,

(35:21):
the academic acceptance, the recognition of the sasquatch, is that
it's ironically it would leave humans with an opportunity to
leave a smaller footprint on the environment. I like to
play on words. I like the idea and I also
like the outcome if that's true. But I don't know,
if you know, our profit driven society would do that.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Yeah, I was trying to see and here if they specified,
like how many cameras were used in the study, you know,
the distribution of those cameras, because there's certainly lessons to
be learned here. I mean, we'd be so lucky as
to be able to focus on an area of that
size that had as many as twenty five individuals in it.
I think twelve square miles eight thousand acres might be
like one quarter of one individual's range, you know, at

(36:03):
least in certain forests in North America. So it's still
a difficult proposition. But it would be interesting to know
how many cameras they use, like and of how many cameras,
how many captured this individual or individuals, how long the
cameras were deployed before they got results. I think there'd
probably be a lot to learn from that. I just
don't see that in this particular article.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yeah, that would be a useful data, that's for sure,
to kind of compare notes there. Yeah, because I don't,
I mean, I'm I personally don't really I'm not seeing
that sasquatch habit like a range is really really big,
you know, at least for the female young pairs. And
and again I don't have a lot of data. I've
got three areas and I've barely scratched the surface of

(36:42):
either one. But you know, I think eight miles on
the side, so sixty five square miles or something like that,
or sixty four square miles or maybe less, maybe more.
One hundred square miles is probably reasonable for a little
family group. I don't really know. I don't really know,
but it would be interesting to compare notes like that.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Absolutely, no, it was a fascinating article though. It was
very cool to see that. I think you had sent
that one in, but you both might have. There's a
lot of times when you will both send in an
article that you stumble across, and so I just you know,
when i'm compiling them, grab one of the links, because
every once in a while there will be a duplicate.
It might be two different media outlets covering the same
finding or the same news item or something like that.

(37:20):
But it was interesting. I think it'd be a lot
to learn from that. But I'm always interested in that
technical side, like what kind of cameras were they using,
how many? How well hidden were they? Were they just
strapped the trees, they use other methods of hiding them?
Were they out there for days or weeks or months
before they captured these images, you know.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
You know when I was talking to years ago, I
did I did Lauren Coleman's conference, you know, the his
museum thing out there in the east, the northeast somewhere,
and doctor Annaacaris was on the gig with us, and
so I got to know her a little bit, and
she had a lot of early interesting things to say,
of course, but one of the things that she mentioned
is that well, whatever you guys are doing, it's not working,

(37:59):
so try other things. And some of the things one
of the things that I remember she said was like
she literally said, throw a rock and wherever it lands,
put a camera there. It's like wow really, so yeah, yeah,
just it's a way to do random sampling in a way,
So do that. It's like, no, kidding, unbelievable. Yeah. So
I'd like to love to have a chance to pick
her brain again, since she has so much field time

(38:19):
in Sumatra studying that other little thing that she says,
he's ad nocturnal primate that she's studying out there. So yeah, anyway,
a lot of different ways to approach the game camera thing.
It'd be really interesting to find out what these folks
were doing.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
When I spoke with Gareth Patterson the first time that
I interviewed him. He made it really because he made
an observation in the book that I brought up that
I wanted to dive into, and it was really interesting.
His takeaway was that basically, you know, as someone who's
pursued animals in the wild, especially like rare, elusive animals,
he said, sometimes I think that our presuppositions, whether conscious

(38:54):
or unconscious, or explicit or implicit, are actually taking us
further away from where they're most likely to be encountered
than we think. And he had said, like when he
first started pursuing the elephants there and the Nisne forests,
you know, he would find tracks and he would find dung,
and you know, he was constantly revisiting these places, but
he couldn't he couldn't have a sighting. He was trying

(39:15):
to lay eyes on him. I think maybe once or
twice he had caught, you know, a glimpse of like
a patch of gray skin through the brush as one
got away from him. And then he just said, you know,
one day, randomly, his girlfriend and him were going to
go walk the dog, and she was like, why don't
we just go walk them up in the forest instead
of you know, around the neighborhood or whatever the case was.
And so they drove up there and got out. We're

(39:36):
walking the dog down the road at time that he
wouldn't usually be out there and in a place he
wouldn't usually go looking, and he watched a mother and
a calf. They watched it through binoculars out in the
open for like an hour. And he had said, you know,
I was looking for elephants when I had the old
tongue siding. And when I started looking for the old tongue,
I started seeing the leopards. And then I'd start looking
for the leopards and I'd run into the elephants. And

(39:58):
so there is that sense of like you can't find
something when you're looking for it. But you know, he
didn't have that sort of like supernatural metaphysical take on
it as much as he said, you know, sometimes I
just think that we make all these decisions based on
our assumptions and they're just wrong. And you know, if
you if you practice something that's more random, your odds
actually go up. Like instead of planning for days and weeks,

(40:21):
like I'm going to go to this spot and stake
out this area and this that, So there could be
something to that with camera placement or who knows what
else too.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
I think it's an interesting I think that's a really
good take on things, and it kind of mirrors the
experience of long term witnesses, you know, the people who
live out in the woods and occasionally have sasquatches around.
It's when they break their own habits that they actually
see these things.

Speaker 5 (40:46):
You know.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
I was having a conversation with with someone who listens
to the podcast about a good ways to do it,
and this person was kept suggesting go to the same place,
the same time and whatever, every single every single week,
the same things every single week, and that way it
adds like a baseline, a scientific rigidity, I guess, you know,
like a method that other people can follow and stuff.

(41:10):
And I'm thinking that I don't know if that. I mean, yeah, yeah,
sure that would be good. But all you're gonna what
you're gonna get, maybe not all you're gonna get, but
what you're mostly going to get are the animals who
have their habits that happen to the coincide with yours,
and certainly sasquatches have these habits, but I'm not so
sure they're as predictable as mine, you know, So I

(41:32):
don't know. I think that the best Bigfoot stuff comes
from being at the wrong place when nobody expected it,
you know. I really think that, so, yeah, because I
mean after going to the spot now for four years
or something, there's not a lot of patterns developing.

Speaker 5 (41:47):
Well, it's just like Paul Freeman with he saw that
one and filled that one because he went there in
the morning, because he went out of his he wasn't
on his normal pattern. He went like an off time.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah, he went later. He went flowers later than normal
on that particular day, and maybe the sasquatches were getting
used to it. I don't know. I don't know. It's
hard to say. I do think that randomness and luck
are something that really come into play in Bigfoot, at
least for sure. That's just that's my feeling on it

(42:18):
at least. But again, data would be nice, but there's
not enough data to really compare much with right now.
So I just try once a week. I don't always
go on the same day, and I don't even go
to I try to go to the same two places
every single week, and then if I have time I
go somewhere else too, or if I go back for
a second day, I go somewhere else. That sort of
thing that's been helping a little bit, but again not

(42:40):
as much as I'd like. I haven't put my eyes
on one yet, So we'll see. Stay tuned for more
Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back.
After these messages.

Speaker 5 (42:56):
We all say this one from Nature dot com. I'm
home or just adapted to step desert climate extremes one
million years ago? About how they they assumed that they were,
you know, in really narrow specific spots that you know,
like like a little ecological niche that they didn't habit,

(43:16):
but they were much more like the almost they thought, like,
we knew homebos savings went all over the world, but
we didn't know that Homo erectus was able to adapt
to different extremes of climate as much as as much
as they were. They don't know from this this paper
they're talking about.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Yeah, of course, when you look at the article, the
places that they lived make a lot of sense because
that would be the places where the most food is
and the most variety, like the fluvial landscapes where the
you know, the rivers are flowing out of the mountains
or whatever into the desert the environment. Actually, I learned
what fluvial stuff was when I visited Death Valley, because
that's where you can see that kind of thing. It's

(43:52):
basically a river coming out of the high lands and
then spreading out widely like a fan across the flattered desert,
usually desert like environments. That's what fluvial landscapes are. And
of course that's that's where the water is. That's where
flooding is going to be. So it's gonna be a
lot of interesting to be washing down from the woods,
from the hills. There's that's where a lot of the

(44:13):
animals are going to be hanging out. And and at
least and I remember in Death Valley, I went to
the wonderful museum they have there. That's where most of
the human artifacts also came from, which makes a lot
of sense because Homo erectus almost sapiens. They're gonna there's
a lot of overlapping niche there. There's a lot of
overlapping needs and just preferences really, so, uh, the fact

(44:36):
that Homo erectus is doing this, it just again hats
off to Homo erectus because they are they were. I
think that they're kind of the champions.

Speaker 5 (44:44):
Man.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
They are the as far as I know at least,
I could be incorrect, and if I am, please tell me.
But I think that they're the probably the most successful
hominin species. I mean, they they they were around for
a long long time, way longer than we are, you know.
I mean, because we've been around for about three hundred
thousand years I think is the number that the people
are thinking at this point, and that might change and

(45:06):
we might have been around longer. We'll see about three
hundred thousand years for Homo sapiens. But I mean Homo
erectus was around for millions, right, like at least a
million or.

Speaker 5 (45:14):
Two two million years there you go.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Yeah, so that's that's that's like seven times longer than
we've been around.

Speaker 5 (45:23):
Yeah, two million years, that's that's that's incredibly long. I mean,
we're not going to I doubt we're going to reach
that record.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Yeah, yeah, I don't think so either. Yeah, but again
it goes back to adaptability. These things were smart enough
to adapt to their environment. Of course, they had tools,
they had fire, they had all that sort of stuff.
But they were adaptable to the changing environments. You know,
there was a climate change during that time that affected them.
They adapted to different biomes in different source of habitats

(45:52):
and different food resources, and they spread out all throughout Asia,
in Africa and Asia, but they were very successful. I'm
kind of surprised they didn't make it to North America
at some point. I guess maybe the land Bridge wasn't
around when they're when they're in their heyday. I don't
really know. But really astonishing the species in many many ways.

(46:13):
And remember this is one of my favorites, just because
the type specimen, the holotype, the first one ever discovered
that told us that these things existed at all, came
from Southeast Asia. But yet we found out later that
they're older versions in Africa. So it really really neat
species to study and we can learn a lot from.
So they weren't specialized. I don't think they Probably groups

(46:34):
of them were, like cultures of them were, but they weren't.
They clearly as a species itself, they didn't. It didn't
rely on one thing like pandas rely on bamboo or
something like that. They didn't rely on one thing which
enabled them to be so successful and spread over such
a huge area. And I would argue that sasquatches and
their ilk are the same way. They're smart enough, they're

(46:57):
to get outside their their niche niches. They're not dependent
on one particular kind of food or plant that if
that food or plant went extinct or couldn't find it,
they'd all die. Sasquatches liked home like homeorect this have
ecological flexibility essentially, is what it comes down to. And
that's what allowed them, allows them to be so successful.

(47:20):
And whether the sasquat or the Yawi or the yarin
in China or anywhere else in the world, you know,
that kind of thing, if those are sasquatches or not,
it shows that hominins are smart enough not to be paint,
not to paint themselves in an ecological corner. You know.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
It's a very good at niche switching. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
Yeah, Well, you gotta wonder if if like some other hominins,
you know, and what we what little we know about
them when we're looking at the you know, what trace
evidence we have these other hominins. Maybe it's like you know,
toothwear or tools that are found in association with them.
You got to wonder if this specialization that might be
perceived by we humans looking at whatever little evidence we

(48:04):
have right now, if actually the specialization just this is
more of an incomplete look at the archaeological evidence than
true ecological limits. I suspect that Hominin's, being as smart
as we are, probably were much more flexible I think
than many maybe current day paleoanthropologists give them a credit for.

(48:28):
And the ones that were not flexible had the shortest
evolutionary existence before their particular branch, you know, bit the dust.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
That's the advantage of generalists is, you know, generalized omnivores,
which at least with Gigantipithecus, we know that they had
a very broad, diverse diet, even though they weren't necessarily omnivorous,
or at least we don't have the evidence of omnivary,
but within like an herbivorous diet, very very broad, massive
array of food stuff. So they certainly weren't the bamboo

(48:58):
specialists that they were once thought to be. That's the
advantage that generalists like that have is that you know,
they have the ability to occupy multiple different environments and
do adapt and to be flexible, not only have dietary flexibility,
but to also be able to inhabit these different environments.
So it was fascinating to read this particular article about
Homo erectus for sure, and think about what clearly has

(49:20):
to be the most flexible species that's ever existed, being
Homo sapiens and all the niche switching that we do constantly,
not only across evolutionary time, but in modern day as well.
So I think there are a lot of implications for
the sasquatch and other mystery apes like you mentioned.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Well, yeah, and you know, it makes me wonder since
home Erectus was so amazingly successful, I've heard that they
are around very very recently. I think that most of
the most of the stuff you're going to find online
indicates they went I don't even I don't know when
they went extinct.

Speaker 5 (49:52):
They said one hundred and twenty thousand years ago.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
It's pretty recent, man. And certainly if that's if that
number is what is generally thought to be true, that
certainly wasn't the last home erectus. You got to wonder
if any of these mystery apes around the world, you know,
these sasquatch like critters and various corners of the globe,
if any of them are relic homo erectus in some

(50:15):
sort of way, I mean, Neanderthals and Dennis Opens, those
might be the almisty or who knows what's going on
over there, right, But maybe they're homo erectus. I mean,
you just don't know. Because these things are around for
a long long time. What could cause something that's so
adaptable and so smart and all that to go extinct?
But then again, you know, like they're not apparently these

(50:37):
whatever these things are in Eastern Europe and all that stuff,
they're not using fire, So it seems kind of weird
that they would let they would not be using fires
still if they were still around, and I think home
Erectus had fire, right, I'm pretty sure it did. Seems
like that's an awfully useful adaptation to just get rid of.

Speaker 5 (50:55):
If you're on the run, though, if you're on the lamb,
like you know, like an escape beer, you know, prisoner war, whatever,
you don't light fires because i'd say, you get found.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Yeah, yeah, maybe it's a conscious decision. But or they
and they just lost the technology, is what you're suggesting,
because of their clandestine lifestyle.

Speaker 5 (51:12):
Yeah, I think I think that that could have that
could account for if that's if these things are then
like if they do try to be something that we
know in the record, that fossil record that had the
ability to use fire, then I mean, I know of
people swear they still the Bigfoot still use fire, but
I don't think they do that's the reality at all,

(51:33):
But it could be. I mean it could have been,
like you know, if if every time they had a
fire they had guys with spears showing up, they might
quit doing that.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
I guess it's true. Yeah, I did a quick search.
I got one hundred and eight to hundred and seventeen
thousand years ago for home erectus. So it's a blink
of an eye. Man, it's a blink of an eye.
And those are certainly are not the last home erectus
that survived.

Speaker 5 (51:56):
So no, yeah, I was a fire one or so small.
How long is erectors around? For two million years? And
how much how much do you think you could you
can even fill up a bedroom with the amount of
bones you have of erectus I have imagine, I mean,
I know we have a lot of like more so
than I think any other ancient species of hominin.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
But I think they have more Naliti than any of
the species. And that's just mostly all from the Rising
Star Cave because they were preserved down there.

Speaker 5 (52:23):
So so yeah, so in two million years, we don't
know really that much about I mean, they got more
of Nalidi and that's I mean that would fill up
what not even not even like a closet. It would
take to hold like a toad probably like you know,
like a storage toat could hold.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
It all, probably like a truck bed or something for Naldi.

Speaker 5 (52:40):
Yeah, that they're around for what four hundred thousand years
of Nalidi.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
I don't know how long they were around for.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
I don't know. I think that the Nalidi isn't is
a Naliti just known from that one site.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
Yes, but there's many, many individuals.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Well still, you got to wonder, like what what what
kind of forces would drive home erectos if they were
so darn good at doing what they do, you know.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
Yeah, it looks like with Naliti there are one five
hundred and fifty bones representing seven hundred and thirty seven
different skeletal elements and at least fifteen different individuals, So
I'm trying to see what the case is with Erectus.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Hats off to home Erectus.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
He's a real stand up guy, nice, excellent as a
dad joke Cliff could be proud of I am proud
of you.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
It's my boy.

Speaker 5 (53:29):
That's more like your dirty uncle joke.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Clif the dad bobo's the dirty uncle.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
Well, there's a couple of other articles, and we did
get some a few additional questions from the Honorary Pigeons
over there on Patreon, So I don't know whenever you
guys feel like hopping over to that side of the
conversation to dig into some other things, but one of
which was submitted by a member, and occasionally listeners do
submit articles. But yeah, I would definitely encourage more of you.
If you come across something that you think is rather squatchy,

(53:59):
even if it's not directly squatch related, but you think
it's relevant, please send it in because you know, we're
always accumulating these, and it'd be great to see more
of those come in from listeners for sure.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Yeah, and you know what occurred to me, and it
says we're kind of closing down shop here and moving
over to the member section, and of course if you
want to be a member, hit that link and do
all that stuff, because you get these episodes with zero
commercials in them at all, and you also get a
bunch of extra stuff like pictures and links and all
this other stuff. You get a picture of Bobo wearing
sunglasses and ear like all that kind of stuff, all
the fun stuff that you hear is talking about. It's

(54:30):
only for the members. But you know what occurred to
me is we're still selling T shirts and hoodies. We
never talk about that. We never ever talk about that,
and it might be a good thing because how fun
is it to see these things out in public at conferences.
So I'd like to push that just for a second,
if you don't mind, go to sasquatchprints dot com and
hit the link that says Bigfoot and Beyond and you

(54:51):
can buy Bigfoot and Beyond like merchandise and stuff. You know.
I mean, it doesn't make us a lot of money
or anything. That's mostly fun. I think we make like
like two or three bucks a shirt. It's not a
really big money thing for us. You've really got to
understand that the joy of it is seeing these things
at conferences, and so check this out. I've got a
bunch of conferences coming up. I'm going to be in
mountain Hood here second week I think in April. I'm

(55:13):
going to be in Esta's Park in Colorado. A week
or two after that, I'm going to be to the
Ohio conference first weekend in May. I'm doing Charlie Raymond's
conference out in Kentucky the last weekend. I've got a
lot of stuff coming up. If you come to the
table and you're wearing a Bigfoot and Beyond shirt or
hoodie or something like that, I'll give you a free sticker.

(55:34):
So if you want to do that, feel free to
come up and say, hey, look at me. Remember you're
gonna give me a sticker, right, and I will. I'll
give you a free sticker. So come on up to
the table. We're in the merch, and you know, eat
a free sticker. I just think it's fun to see
these things. We'll take a picture together, we'll put on
the member section. It'll be fun. So go to sasquatchprints
dot com and get your Bigfoot Beyond merch.

Speaker 5 (55:53):
Okay, yeah, I love seeing those. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (55:55):
We have forgotten to mention that for a while I
always put the link in the show notes of every episode,
but I've forgotten to mention it. And then when I
was with you at the NABC in January, Brandon and
another artist friend of his were there and they were
designing a new shirt right then and there for one
of my suggestions. So hopefully that thing's ready to roll out,
because they had did a pretty cool design when I
was there.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Okay, well, kind can reach out to him and spur
him on a little bit. See what's going on with that?
So yeah, sasquashprints dot com. Hit that link, buy a
shirt if you feel like it, and come up and
see me. You'll get a free sticker. So that's kind
of fun, all.

Speaker 5 (56:28):
Right, I guess that. Bigfoot and Beyond thanks for joining us,
all right, folks, Well until next week. We'll see you then,
But until then, y'all keep it squatchy.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
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