John Gerardi Guest Hosts - Fresno Roman Catholic Diocese Files for Bankruptcy

Speaker 1 (00:00):
As the Roman Catholic Diocese of Fresno has finally filed
for Chapter eleven bankruptcy, and I want to give my
opinion on the whole thing and how I basically think
that a lot of this is grossly unfair actually to
the Catholic Church. Is Gerardi talking about Jesus, Well, he's

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standing up for pedophiles. No, let me explain. So let
me start. Well, first of all, let me start by saying,
I'm not Trevor Carey. This is John Girardi. I'm the
host of the John Girardi Show. I'm filling in for Trevor.
So let me just give my well, as I smack
my microphone here, let me give my background here. Now,

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I'm lifelong Catholic. I'm also an attorney though, and one
of the issues that's at play here is the way
in which California messed around with its normal law regards
arding lawsuits in order to create the situation that the
Diocese of Fresno is in today. And I do think

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I'm not misstating my choice of words. You might say, well,
the diiser's a Fresno created this when they let all
these priests abuse kid abuse kids. Well, calm down, allegedly.
And that's the thing in all this is that I
think there's a real egregious abuse of due process that
is happening here that the state of California allowed in

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no small part, I think as a kind of punitive
measure against the Catholic Church. So let me explain what
I what I mean after two thousand and one, when
all the two thousand and one and two thousand and
two you had all the revelations about what happened in
the Boston Arts Diocese where Catholic priests were being shuffled
around and abusing kids. It's a horrible, horrible story. Now,

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there are plenty of institutions that did very similar things
with a adults in position of authority and responsibility over
kids who abused kids, and people did not act responsibly.
I believe it's La County is paying out a four
blah blah blah blah blah blah billion dollar sexual abuse

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settlement for abuse by county employees of children who are
in their care in various kinds of county institutions. Okay,
it's actually going to have a massive adverse fiscal impact
on the governance of Los Angeles county, and like their
county government is being massively disrupted by this. Okay, so

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public school districts throughout the country have had this same problem.
This is not something exclusive to the Catholic Church. However, Look,
I'll be the first to admit I'm sure if I
had our clergy here, Bishop Brennan here. I don't want
to put words in Bishop Brennan's mouth, and this is
not his words at all. I haven't discussed this with him,

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but obviously having clergy do this, there's a particular heenousness
to it. These are people who are supposed to be
leading lives of devout prayer and service and they're doing
this horrible, unspeakable crime. Okay, So you had the revelations
to two thousand and two, you had various rounds of lawsuits.

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Every state has for all kinds of different claims that
you can make. Civil claims, lawsuits you can make for
pretty much any kind of cause of action you have.
There is a certain applicable statute of limitations. What is
the statute of limitations? The statute of limitations is basically

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the time frame within which you have to file a
lawsuit over a given kind of harm. Or claim that
you have that you can make. The government has a
certain statute of limitations within which they need to issue
their indictment to prosecute you for committing a crime. Okay,

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if you steal a Snicker's bar from a liquor store
or from a gas station when you're twelve years old,
they can't come back and sue you when you're sixty
two years old and say we're prosecuting you for petty theft.
When you were twelve, you rob the liquor store at
the corner of the you stole a Snickers bar. Okay,

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they can't do that, and we all have a sense
that that's unfair. But why do we think that's unfair. Okay,
it's unfair for a number of reasons to bring certain
kinds of claims a huge long time after the fact. First,
because evidence goes stale. People's memories deteriorate. The testimony of eyewitnesses,

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alleged eye witnesses, claimed eye witnesses gets worse and worse
and worse every year. People's memories are bad, worse than
you'd think, so evidence gets stale. Witnesses. Not only do
witnesses memories get bad, witnesses die. Witnesses die, People alleged

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to have done the harm die, people die.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
It happens.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
So the kinds of people who could give the relevant
evidence that they can't remember or they're dead, evidence goes stale.
It's one of the key reasons why statutes of limitations.
I think sometimes people have a sense that a statute
of limitations is a kind of artificial rule cooked up
by lawyers to get you off on a technicality so

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that you escape criminal prosecution or a lawsuit or something. Well,
and yeah, there's a certain degree of choice and some
kind of arbitrariness. I guess that that's involved in all right,
should the statute of limitations for tax crimes? Should it
be five years? Should it be six years? Should be
seven years? Well, the federal government settled on six years.

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I don't know. They could have done five years in
one hundred and eighty days. They settled on six. So
what exactly it is may vary, your mileage may vary,
but there is a statute of limitations. They're not prosecuting
you for tax crimes you committed seventy years ago. What now?

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There are certain kinds of crimes for which we don't
have a statute of limitation. Murder, I believe does not
have a statute of limitations. It's so heinous that we
basically say, no, we we gotta punish someone. If we
can prove that someone did this, we gotta punish them.
But that's also that's relevant though for criminal prosecutions, where

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the burden of proof is much higher. Let's remember this also,
a criminal prosecution is different from a civil lawsuit. In
a criminal prosecution, this is the state or the federal
government trying to take away your freedom. In a civil lawsuit,

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it's it can be the government, but it's usually a
private party suing another private party, usually just trying to
take your money. And the way American law basically views
this is that your freedom is more important than your money.
So the burden of proof what you as in the
case of a criminal prosecution, the prosecutor or in the

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case of a civil lawsuit, the plaintiff, what you need
to show in order to win your lawsuit, to win
your legal claim is very different between a criminal prosecution
and a civil lawsuit. And a criminal prosecution you got
to prove your case beyond a reasonable doubt to win
a civil laws suit. You just have to prove your

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case with a preponderance of the evidence. One way of
thinking of that is the majority of the evidence this
is in your favor. It's more likely than not that
what you're saying is true. We saw this very practically applied.
One of the greatest examples of the practical application of
these two different standards was OJ Simpson. OJ Simpson was

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acquitted in his criminal trial because the jury outrageously I
think the jury thought that there was at least some
reasonable doubt about whether OJ did it. But OJ lost
the civil lawsuit. Why the burden of proof was lower.

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All you had to show for the civil lawsuit is
that it's more likely than not that OJ killed those people.
And so OJ lost the civil lawsuit and he had
to pay the families of his victims a bunch of money,
but he didn't have to go to jail for that.
What's happening against the Catholic Church right now is civil lawsuits,

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not criminal prosecutions of individual priests or of the Catholic
diocese as a whole. No one has to prove anything
beyond a reasonable doubt. It's civil lawsuits. And there's also this,
what's the statute of limitations for sex abuse claims. Well,
ordinarily it's a I don't exactly actually know what it

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is off the top of my head. It's a couple
of years. In twenty nineteen, the state of California passed
a law that for a three year window they were
eliminating the statute of limitations for civil lawsuits for sex
abuse claims. So in that window twenty I think it

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was like twenty twenty to twenty twenty three. Somewhere in there,
one hundred and fifty three claims were filed against the
Diaces of Fresno, but with no statute of limitations. These
are old lawsuits, lawsuits that stretch back, in some cases decades.
All but two of the priests I believe it's either

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two or three. I think all but two or three
of the priests who are being accused in these sex
abuse claims against the Diocese of Fresno are dead. Let
me repeat that, all but two or three of the
priests accused in these sex abuse claims that the Dices
of presdent is filing Chapter eleven bankruptcy, over all but

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two or three of them are dead. A lot of
these alleged incidents happened in the seventies, eighties, nineties decades ago.
So let's think about this. How would a trial go.
The only person, maybe the only witness, alleged witness, who's alive,

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is the plaintiff. The plaintiff says, this priest molested me.
I'm suing the diocese for their negligent handling of this
priest after he molested me. How's the diocese supposed to
defend itself. Well, we'd like to call as a witness
the secretary for the parish, Mary Johnson. Oh, Mary is

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dead or Mary is ninety years old and can't remember.
This person from Adam has has no relevant testimony she
can give. The priest is dead, who allegedly did this thing?
He can't defend himself. He's dead. His good name is
going to be tarnished forever. So I look at these

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one hundred and fifty three claims. I look at trial
lawyers who aggressively advertise. I mean, you Google dies, he's
a fresno. I'll tell you what's going to be the
first thing you'll see is a Google sponsored ad for
a law firm telling you how to sue the dice.
He's a Fresno for priest abuse claims. You have trial

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lawyers looking to make a ton of money, and I
look at these one hundred and fifty three claims and
I think to myself, Okay, well, I bet some of
them are valid. I bet some of them had something
terrible happened to them. I bet a few of them

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had something maybe very borderline, or a misunderstanding of some sort.
I don't know, touch and exchange, or something that was misinterpreted.
I don't know that's something like that. And I bet
some of them are making it up.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
It's how can you fairly adjudicate it? And especially when
you put it in front of a jury and you've
got the alleged victim making the claim and the diocese
has nothing they can say in response, how's the jury
gonna rule? Well, the jury is gonna rule that, you know,
Catholic dioceses did bad stuff all the time. This side

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has evidence that side doesn't. I'm gonna rule for the plaintiff.
That's why the Diaceas of Fresno is in Chapter eleven
bankruptcy right now. Basically, if you leave all one hundred
and fifty three of these cases to a jury the
Dices of Presn is gonna go under or at the
it's gonna have to pay out gazillions of dollars. So
the way they do it is they put it into

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Chapter eleven bankruptcy. And that way, you know, victim number
one doesn't get twenty million dollars and then victim number
one fifty three gets zero dollars. It's kind of an
orderly scheduling of things so that they can assess the
various merits of the claim within the courts. They can
look at what the assets the Dices Reresno has and
they can make some fair distribution of assets. And it's
also a way of sort of protecting certain kinds of

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restricted donations of the dioceses of freds No made. So
I think there's a hope that it won't impact you know,
the Catholic schools are a separate corporation. Fresno Catholic Charities
is also a separate corporation. I think a lot of
parishes have a certain individual parishes have a certain degree

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of independence so that not all of their money is
going to be scooped up. The church will continue to exist,
but I think the whole thing is premised on something
that is fairly unjust, which is you know, and yeah,
I'm a lawyer. I care about due process. I think
due process is really important to the proper functioning of

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our legal system. I don't know how you can fairly
make a claim that the Dices of Fresno should pay
hundreds of millions of dollars whatever it is for sex
abuse claims that are decades old, that there's no way
that they could have fairly been adjudicated In an individual case.
The plaintiff might have won, but there's no no way
it would have been fairly adjudicated. And they only exist

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because of the state legislature passing a law, a heavily
Democrat controlled state legislator, who, by the way, has some
real axes to grind against the Roman Catholic Church, lingering
deep resentment that individual state legislators have expressed over things

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like the Catholic Church's opposition to gay marriage, Catholic Church's
opposition to a board.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
This is the tremortary show on the Valley's Power Talk.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
The Roman Catholic Diocese of President of California, which is
the sort of unit that oversees I think it's something
like eighty Catholic churches stretching from Livingstone in the north
to like Bishop and Barstow in the south, like past Bakersfield.
So most of the San Joaquin Valley has officially filed

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for Chapter elevenkruptcy, which basically what it means is they
have one hundred and fifty three people who've made claims
of sexual abuse by Catholic clergy. To file for Chapter
eleven bankruptcy basically means you get everyone in a line
and rather than giving the first claimant twenty million dollars
then running out of assets so that the one hundred
and fifty third person gets zero dollars, it's kind of

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an orderly way of sort of organizing all the claims
and running it together. I don't think it's going to
lead to the Catholic Church closing down, selling off church
buildings or anything like that in the San Joaquin Valley.
I think it's going to be painful. I think they're
going to be staff that'll be laid off, there's going
to be properties sold off, et cetera to pay for
all this. And this is one of the two things
that I think is unfair. One that I discussed in

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the prior segment, which is the sort of due process
unfairness of all this. That you have one hundred and
fifty three claims all but I think two or three
of them were made against priests who are dead because
they are decades old claims that are only able to
be brought because the state of California passed the law

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a couple of years ago to open a three year
window for people to make sex abuse claims civil lawsuits
for sex abuse claims without the statute of limitations. So
go back way more than ten years, twelve years, fifteen years,
twenty years, thirty years, forty years, fifty years and claim
that someone molested you at that time. The priest who
did it allegedly is dead, All the witnesses are dead.

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The only evidence is your bare claim that this person
harmed you. So how many of those one hundred fifty
three claims are legit? I don't know. How many are
totally I llegit. How many are maybe some kind of
misunderstanding that was maybe inappropriate but not grievously harmful, you know,

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maybe a misunderstanding or something. How many of them were
totally fabricated claims? I don't think there's any way to
actually really tell in a court of law, because again,
all the evidence is stale, most of the witnesses are dead.
And the two things that I think I've started like

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two different lists of two things here, let me land
this all right. The two things I find unfair about it. One,
these priests allegedly did bad things. And who's going to
suffer for it, Well, rank and file Catholics who never
did anything wrong. You know, I didn't do anything wrong,
But I've contributed to the Catholic Church because I love

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my faith and I want to support my church. And
my church does many, many good things and helps a
lot of people, and I think it's all very good.
I give them all this money, and that's what's going
to be used. The widows might of poor people who
just want to support their church is going to be
used to pay off a bunch of lawyers for you know,
maybe some of whom made legitimate claims, some of whom

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made pretty spurious claims. Who knows, we have no way
of knowing. And secondly, this, this so of Damocles is
going to hang over the Catholic Church in California for forever.
The Catholic Church gets too ornery in the political sphere
against the Democrats super majority, and Sacramento criticizes it, criticizes

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it too harshly on abortion, on assisted suicide, on LGBT issues,
transgender issues, whatever. Well, sure it would be a shame
if we opened up another three year period where we
eliminated the statute of limitation so people could sue the
Catholic Church, now, wouldn't it. I mean, I think this

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is going to happen again twenty years from now or
fifteen years from now. Trial lawyers have always had a
very cushy seat at the table in the California state legislature.
They're a powerful lobbying entity. They very often get what
they want. A lot of problems in state government are
centered around trial loy being able to make a lot

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of money. And I think that's the other unfair thing
about here, not just the procedural unfairness of you know,
how can you possibly fairly adjudicate a fifty year old
claim where all the witnesses are dead and it's on
a preponderance of the evidence standard, where the only person

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with any evidence is the person making the claim. How
can you fairly adjudicate that you can't, and that process
can just get repeated every twenty years, and it's an
effective way for the state of California to shut up
the Catholic Church or any church. I guess who gets

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too uppity. So I again, I want every legitimate victim
to receive a fair whatever kind of recompense that can
be fair and some kind of healing. And I feel
terrible for people who had that happened to them. But
I feel like this process has been in a lot

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of different ways very deeply, very deeply unfair.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
This is the Trevor Carry Show on the Valley's Power Talk.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Plow ahead where Angel's here to tread. I'm going to
talk about the OBBB, the One Big Beautiful Bill, which
is facing a little bit of rocky rocky roads right now.
It passed the House Representatives a couple of weeks ago
by a very slight majority. It has just passed the
Senate by a literal fifty to fifty vote, with jd

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Vance breaking the tie. It is now facing basically that
the House and the Senate have to pass the exact
same bill language. So the House passed one version, the
Senate passed a version with slightly different things in it,
and they have to pass the exact same language. So
it's back to the House and Speaker Johnson is having
a tough time getting He was going to have a

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test vote on it procedurally and he didn't do that,
which probably means he doesn't quite have the votes.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
And I want to talk.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
I want to talk about my problems with the OBBB,
and I want to bewail the fact that my problems
are not other people's problems. So what are those problems?
As many of you know, I am the executive director
at Right to Life of Central California.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
That's what I do.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
I also fundraised for the Obria Medical Clinics of Central California,
which is our pro life nonprofit Obgyn Clinics. So the
abortion issue is very, you know, paramount importance to me.
Social conservative issues are I think quite important. The OBBB contained,
at least in the House version that was passed, some

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really excellent things that social conservatives really desperately wanted. One
it involved cutting out a ton of abortion funding. A
ton of abortion funding in Obamacare subsidized health insurance plans.
Cut out abortion coverage from a lot of those plans.

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It cut off direct federal funding through the Medicaid program
for Planned Parenthood and other abortion providers, which is a
huge deal abortion providers get. Planned Parented alone gets something
like seven hundred million dollars from the federal government through
the Medicaid program. So basically, Planned Parenthood does some kind
of service like birth control of this, that.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Or the other.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
They get reimbursed by Medicaid for it. Federal and state
dollars jointly pay for that. They get seven hundred million
dollars in federal money, which I don't want them to get.
I don't want an abortion provider to be making anything
off of the federal government. Other places do those same
services and don't do abortions. I don't want Planned parento
to get that money. It also included taking out any

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federal funding, any federal reimbursement through federal health care programs
for transgender interventions, both for kids and for adults. I
don't want my tax payer dollars to pay for that stuff. Frankly,
we shouldn't even be having this discussion because it's elective.
It's not healthcare. It's an elective intervention based on some
kind of social motive. Now, I guess you know. Obviously

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that's disputed whether it is or isn't health care yues.
Some people will say, oh, it's important for their mental
health care, but we don't do health care interventions to
make people feel better for mental health reate, Oh, if
only I had a boob job to make my boobs
bigger and make me feel more confident, it helps my
mental health.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Well.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
No, a boob job, a cosmetic boob job just to
make you look hot, that's not a healthcare intervention. Healthcare
means something's wrong with your body and you do something
to put it in a state of health, to fix
something that's wrong, or to maintain yourself in a state
of health. That's what healthcare is. The day difference between

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a boob job so that you look hot and have
big boobs or a breast reconstruction surgery because you just
had breast cancer and you're trying to you know, balance
things out, like, there's a big difference there. It's the
difference between a hockey player who got his nose broken
and needs a rhinoplasty to fix his nose and Michael

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Jackson getting his nose reconstructed twenty times because he's crazy okay,
and wanted to look I don't know what he wanted
to look like, but whatever it was, that's the difference. Okay,
Transgender interventions are not really healthcare. It's some kind of
social thing, for some kind of social reason to take
otherwise functional body parts and alter them with hormones or

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surgically radically alter them or cut them off or whatever.
All right, So, the House version of the OBBB included
defunding Planned Parenthood and other abortion providers totally for ten years,
cutting off all kinds of federal subsidies for abortion in
Obamacare subsidized health healthcare plans, no federal funding for transgender interventions.

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The Senate bill put a bunch of that back in
Planned Parentoid's only getting defunded for one year. Frankly, kind
of a joke. I think Planned Parentoid could sustain a
one year defunding, and a lot of the cuts for
transgender stuff are not there. Why is this happening? Why
did the Senate water this down? Republicans have a fifty

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three to forty seven edge in the Senate. What's going on? Well,
Republicans lost three votes. Susan Collins, Okay, to be expected,
she's a liberal Republican from Maine. You know, I can't
expect a Republican from Maine to vote the same way
that Ted Cruz votes, or you know, Josh Holly votes
from Missouri or something like that. All right, Rand Paul

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is voting no on the OBBB, And all right, I guess, yes,
I understand that he's Rand Paul. You know, he gets
really mad about fiscal irresponsibility. He thinks this is adding
to the debt ceiling too much, so he's voting against it.
But then they lost Tom Tillis. Tom Tillis is Senator

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from North Carolina, and he didn't like how Medicaid was
being cut and he thought it would harm health care
provision in North Carolina. And look, Trump is a better
strategist than I am in many many respects. You know,
he has won, by my last count, he's won two
more elections than I have at least, so you know,

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take this with a grain of salt. But the way
he go he and his team went after Tom Tillis
when he was expressing reservations about the OBBB, I think
was like way too harsh. They went were like, all
the way at we're gonna primary this son of a gun.
We're gonna primary this guy, get him out of there.
Let's have Laura Trump run, Let's have this person right,

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We're gonna I'm Mary. If he's not backing the one
being Beautiful bill, we're going to primary him so that
he and guess what happened. He said, all right, I'm
not going to run for reelection in twenty twenty six, which,
by the way, really hurts the Republicans in the Senate
because we thought he was running for reelection. He was
an incumbent that was going to be a safe seat.

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Now it's not a safe seat. North Carolina is kind
of an attle ground state. They have a Democrat governor,
they have a former Democrat governor who is interested in
running for the Senate now who could.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Very well win.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
So and by threatening the primary him and then him
saying well, I'm just not going to run, it took
away all the leverage that Trump had with this guy.
So now he's voting against it. So what does that mean.
It means that the one big beautiful bill that we're
getting in the Senate has to bend the will of

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the lowest common denominator in the Senate, and the lowest
common denominator in the Senate is my least favorite, perhaps
of all senators from either party. Lisa Murkowski from Alaska.
Lisa Murkowski from last Somehow, Alaska has never voted for
a Democrat to be president since LBJ solid red conservative

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Republicans stay always gets conservative governors. Sarah Palin's from Alaska,
the conservative senator's conservative House member except for Lisa Murkowski,
a pro abortion, social liberal who voted against confirming Amy Cony.
Barrett voted against confirming Brett. Kavanaugh had to be conjoled

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into voting to confirm Gorsich for some reason. Now instead
of and this is what infuriates me, we didn't want
to negotiate with Tillis. And maybe I'm missing the ins
and outs of this, maybe I'm oversimplifying this, but let.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Me let me tell you this.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
I would much prefer an OBBB that includes all the
compromises Tom Tillis wanted to make, rather than an OBBB
that includes all the compromises that Lisa Murkowski wants to make.
Why Because Lisa Murkowski doesn't like any of the social
conservative things. She doesn't want she loves, she likes planned parenthood.

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She doesn't want to defund them. She buys all the
soft lefty bs. The old Planned Parenthood does all kinds
of lovely things that provide such essential healthcare services, which
is bunk, even the non abortion things planned Parenthood does.
You look out in the Sanawauquin Valley just as an example,
they're like three abortion clinics in Fresno. There are a

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gazillion federally qualified health clinics that do all the crud
that Planned Parenthood does other than abortions, like there are.
It's not like, oh, Planned parent it is often the
only place women can go for healthy b s. It's
just not true. But people buy this ridiculous, pious nonsense

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of well, maybe you don't like abortion, but planned parentage
does a lot of other really really important, essential necessary
healthcare services.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
They don't. They just don't.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
It's services you can get. Where will people go to
get contraception anywhere?

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Anywhere?

Speaker 1 (31:33):
So now though obbb, we're gonna get is gonna have
a one year defunding a Planned Parenthood which is not
gonna have nearly the effect that a full ten year
defunding would have had. And by the way, we have
planned parenthood on the ropes. Planned parented is losing money,
and a lot of states, especially in red states in Florida,

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they are losing tons of money states that have abortion restrictions.
And by the wit, the Supreme Court just ruled that
Red states can kick Planned Parenthood if they want off
of their state medical off of their state medicaid plans.
We are set up for a knockout blow to take
out the business of the single largest abortion provider in

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the United States.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
And what do we do.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
We trip on the one yard line. And that's just
what's so frustrating is that no one even cares. Tom
Tillis's objection to this has nothing to do with planned
parented defunding. Rand Paul's objection all this has nothing to
do with Planned Parenthood. I'm just out here screaming into

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the void along with a couple of other pro lifers
to kind of understand what's going on. You have some
pro lifers who are stupid user, oh, we're defunding Planned Parenthood,
ignoring that it's a one year defunding, which is not
very significant. So I'm I'm frustrated. I'm really frustrated, and
I hope the House can keep their you know, larger
dfunding and maybe you put pressure on Lisa Murkowski and

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you tell her listen, you vote for this warts and all,
or we're primary ing your rear end out. Although yeah,
apparently that didn't work for Tom Tillis. He just decided
to retire. So I don't know, I'm I'm just frustrated.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
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Speaker 1 (33:25):
Our two in the cam Thank you all so much. Hey,
if you like this show and you think, hey, this
this young guy, this young guy is killing it on
this radio show, I should support him. I should I
should help him out. Go to Right to lifeca dot
org and you can donate and support a right to life.
You can go to Obria ob Ri i A three

(33:46):
six five dot org. You can support our work through
the Obria Medical Clinics of Central California providing excellent pro
life healthcare to lower income communities here in the Greater
Fresno area. Because that's you know that, that's the day
job here. I do radio just kind of for fun
on the side. This the vent the creative outlet, if

(34:07):
you will, but it's you know, I want to try
to promote good things as much as I can assist

Speaker 2 (34:13):
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