Thinking Sideways: The Eilean Mor Lighthouse Mystery

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Thinking Sideways. I don't just stories of things we simply
don't know the answer too. Well. Hi there, and then
welcome once again to another episode of Thinking Sideways. I'm

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Joe and I'm joined by Steve. Okay, and Joe is
doing is William Chattner voice? I was thinking voice would
be like, and this is Thinking Sideways podcast? Yeah, okay,
So anyway, let's let's get right down to it. And

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by the way, before we started with today's unsolved mystery,
we get a little happy celebration, a little happy occasion.
I guess to celebrate. I guess that's what I meant
to say. Yeah, okay, anyway, it's more better. This is
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last week. No, yeah, this is our fifty third episode. Therefore,
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we already ate it. We got here before you did,
so it was a lie. Yeah, and we got one
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We do have a little bit of Sherbett in the freezer.
If great, I'll take it on a daylight today, Yeah,

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I will take Yeah. It's actually we've got the A
C turned off in the studio here because it's a
little noisy, and so we're swaltering degree. He has not
enjoined this. We're gonna talk really fast to get this
over whistle to turn the A C back on. Okay,
so let's dive right into this and saw us a
mystery today we're going to talk about. It's a mystery

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that's kind of like a ghost ship. You remember the
Mary Celeste kind of creepy thing and Joe's wheelhouse totally. Yeah,
well this is like a ghost shift, except it's a
ghost island. Who uh so, Yeah, these people are showing
up expecting other people to be there because they're supposed
to be there, and they've disappeared and the place is
completely deserted. Creeper what that would actually kind of creep

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me out, and I think and some of the people
that actually actually were involved with this were just a
little creeped out. But so these people disappeared and to
this day, no one has a clue what happened to them.
And I say to this day, because of course this
is the day, we're going to solve the riddle. Yeah,
I know. So the people who disappeared were the lighthouse
keepers at ellan Moore. I'm sure some of you maybe

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have heard of this. Maybe. Ellen Moore is a is
an island about thirty nine acres. It's the largest of
the largest of the flanting islands or flanting isles. I
guess you would say the Scottish in the isles. Yeah,
that's the flatting aisles. Where's your accent the flant and
I don't know how to know. Yeah, So the flanting

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aisles are in the Outer Hebrides, and which means that
like there are sort of northwest of northwest Scotland, and
the Outer Hebrides are even more outer than that, even
more northwest, so they're they're kind of isolated in this
little chunk of rock thirty nine acres. Yeah, it's just
just out there in the middle of nowhere. But it
was like kind of a kind of a rough neighborhood
for ships and stuff like that, and there were shipwrecks

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out there. So they started to build a lighthouse in
the eight and because it was so rough building on
this particular little rock, they didn't open up for business
until eighteen, so it took him four years, looking four
years to build a simple little lighthouse. While it was
it was a fairly I mean, I think it was
an interesting construction of the lighthouse. Oh yeah, I mean
it's not just the lighthouse. But they had to like

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get all this crap like out of the water in
these heaving North Atlantic seas, you know, and and drag
it off on shore. And they had to build stairways
and a little railway to hall supplies with all the
way up to the peak of the island to build
the lighthouse on it. It was, it was. It was
just a normal lighthouse. There wasn't anything nothing special about
It was just just a stack stone lighthouse about seven

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pretty standard, yeah, pretty standard. And then of course I
had the attached the lighthouse keepers quarters, which is like
in a small little building like you'd expect typical little lighthouse. Yeah.
And so anyway, there were it was. It was manned
by three people. Are three guys, I should say, uh,
and the three guys In December of nineteen hundred hundred,

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fourteen years ago, the three guys disappeared without a trace,
and nobody knows why. So what's the story here. Come on,
you're you're you're giving me a cliffhanger here, and that's
not okay. You gotta you gotta fill in the missing details.
So for pictures, visit our website. Yeah, send us an email. Yeah. Anyway,
So I'm gonna say, I'm gonna cut to the chase.

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It was a it was an ocean going jetty. Cut
it out, cut it out, all right. So the first
clue that something was wrong was on the night of
December fifteen, nineteen hundred, the steamship SS Arc Tour in
some versions of the story say the Archer. But I've
heard it as an Arc tour. I've seen, I've seen
both ways. Yeah, so I passed through the island and

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I was expecting to see the light, but the light
was not on when they actually when they arrived in
their import, they reported it, but apparently whoever at the
port they reported it too, didn't pass it along to
the Northern Lighthouse Board where it was the shipping companies
who they Yeah, yeah, apparently they didn't report it. Somebody
was lazy. Yeah, we've all been there. Yeah, I've had

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a nickel for every time I slacked at work. Well,
you know, I've got style Twitter to look at. I'm
not I'm not filing this TPS report. Yes, yes, Steam Twitter. Yeah,
you know, I forgot because I'm busy hauling boxes off
of this ship and somebody in passing was like, oh,
it's kind of weird that this light was out. Yeah,
and You're like, okay, fifty pounds of manure on top

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of me. But they had correct me if I'm wrong.
I swear. I remember when I was reading about the
ship that reported it, they said they did it via wireless.
I've heard it both ways. And did they have wireless communication?
Did they had radio technology at the point right, Yeah,
like a telegram? Yeah, I've heard it both ways. One
of the one in most of the stories that I

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see he'd waited till portant to report this, and I questioning.
I was questioning the day and age, how many ships
would have a radio But yeah, I don't know. I'm
sure it wasn't. Not every ship had, and I'm sure yeah,
but I don't think he was that far up from
port either than maybe a day or something like that.

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Uh So. Also they also, by the way, I didn't
know this until I started researching this story, but apparently
the old days in the lighthouses, they would hire somebody
who was who lived on the coast to actually watched
the lighthouse to a telescope. I mean not seven, but
he would. His job was to basically check on a
periodically and make sure the light was burning. And they
had actually hired a gamekeeper on the on the closest

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island to keep an eye on things. And he reported
he in his log that he hadn't seen it on
certain days, but again the weather was so heavy that
they were it was like twenty miles away. So well,
And I think a thing to point out to everybody
here is this is not a modern lighthouse. This is

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a wick with mirrors around it to shine light. And
I think correct me if I'm wrong, Joe. But wasn't
it It shown about twenty miles I don't remember the
kind of power, but it showed out to see it
about you can see it about twenty miles away on
a clear night, and it was really interesting. Is the

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the lens system that they use, I want to say
it was a French design, yeah, and it and it
was set up in a way that it had eight
panels so that it would have a long arc and
a short burst as it went around in the course
of a minute, so in a minute, you would get
eight flashes, so that you knew that that was a lighthouse,

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and that was how you identified that particulcular lighthouse, because
each one was slightly different, so that if I was
a hundred miles farther down the coast, that lighthouse would
have a different pattern, so I knew where I was
in the dark. Yeah, it's a pretty ingenious little system. Yeah,
And I think about those fresnels, the lenses. I don't
know if you've ever been to a real lighthouse and
seeing those things. They're huge. I mean they're huge lenses

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and very elaborate. If you go to the coast, the coast,
the coast, we've got some white houses down there, and
you see some of them down there. But we can't
make those things today. We don't. I mean, we don't
have the craftsmanship, the craftsmanship and the tools to make
those things anymore. I have seen the Bob the builder
where they have to replace the mirror in the limp
little so that kind of like perfect allegory. Yeah, I think, Yeah,

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I go to uh, I want us really close by
as to Cape Mer's lighthouse on the coast, and unfortunately,
a couple of what's the word I'm thinking of, you know, jerks, jerks,
jerks not nice people? Yeah, bozos yeah, perfect, yeah, yeah, yeah.
They shot it up but it's still mostly intact. But

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they still busted it up pretty good. And it's like,
you know, dude, that was like a hundred year old
piece of glass. More than that, I think. Yeah, those darks, yeah,
those what thung darks? I'm just trying to make up
a word that sounds appropriately offensive. Yeah, anyway, you guys go, yeah,

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go check that out. Those lenses are pretty interesting. They're
pretty cool. Well, anyway, so back to our story. They
had a guy on shore watching. He noted that he
hadn't seen it, but again, it had heavy weather, so
he wasn't sure if he wasn't seeing because he had
actually not seen it on nights when it was still burning. Okay,
so wait they had there was heavy weather. Yeah, I

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feel this is important to the continuation of the story.
So there had been heavy weather. Yeah, I mean, this
is like the North Atlantic in December in the wintertime.
It's a very lot. It's that this the latitude of
this is approximably fifty eight degrees north. Yeah, so I
just want to clarify for where this story is going. Yeah,
there was, in fact bad weather, Yeah, intermittent bad weather.

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It wasn't constant bad weather the entire I just wanted
to be sure, making you wonder why people would want
to live up there. You said it was fifty eight
degrees degrees north. Yeah, I'm trying of I'm trying to
think of like a major city or landmark that we
could equate that too for people to think about it
on the globe and Vancouver, BC. Yeah, I think Vancouver

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is not that not nearly that far enough, not far enough.
So it's farther than than Vancouver, British Columbia. Yeah, it's
up there. So how many miles in a degree? Well,
we're about about which is just south of us. Yeah, um,
so where are we at, like forty nine maybe even

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that are even that far wen something like that, so
that Vancouver is kind of I'm just thinking about to
equate it to the West coast in the East Coast,
I mean, that's that's way north of Massachusetts probably, you know.
And then I don't even know where to equate it
on the European But it's it's pretty far. Just to

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give you an idea, I checked. I just happened to
check today and I did a little google on sunset
time and I found it. I found a town on
the on the club in Scotland that's basically just due
east of this island. It's about fifty degrees and what
what And I looked at the sunset time for today,
ten thirty three in the evening. It's one of the sunsets,

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so it may be kind of like Alaska. It's kind
of like it's so it's way up there then, so
this is almost subarctic. Yeah, and that's and and of
course in the wintertime, and this this took place in
December day it's still some pretty cruddy weather. Yeah. Okay,
well that's that's good context to know. That's what I
was trying to try get a handle on. So any

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way back to our story here, So the crew working
in the lighthouse, again, I said there were three guys.
They were named James Ducat, who was and I had
sorry for his errors. If i'm his errors, If I'm mispronouncing,
it's probably Ducatt. It could be Ducat. Let's probably something
even more for Ducatt. Donald McArthur and Thomas Marshall. So

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Ducatt was the head lighthouse keeper, so he was a
boss man. Marshall was the second lighthousekeeper, and then Donald
McArthur was referred to as an occasional, which meant that
he didn't do it. It's full time and the other guys.
I guess the According to the story, the report got
in to the to the authorities that the lighthouse was out,

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but the weather was too bad to actually take a
ship out to check on it, so it took eleven
days before they could make the crossing to investigate. Um.
The official record says that no, they had no idea
that the why I had even been out. They just
desperus was going on in a regular mission to um
take a guy out for to relieve one of the
members of the crew and take supplies out. Yeah. Yeah,

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so yeah, I mean the official record, you know, because
I read all the stories that were out there, and
there's a lot of kind of melodramatic stuff about you.
Oh my god, they were beside themselves with worry about that. Yeah,
because that's that's most of the stories that I see,
And I have a feeling that the age of this
story there's a lot of embellishment. Oh yeah, yeah, so,
um so, actually they were just on a regularly scheduled trip.

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They were supposed to go out and just and on
a relief And you were able to find that official report. Yeah,
that's on the Northern Lighthouse Boards website. Actually, they still exist,
they're still here. They still they have a website and
they published some documents related to this incident, which we'll
talk about in a few minutes. So anyway, so they
showed up without a clue that the light hasn't even
been out, but according to the story, they were dreadfully worried.

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The crew of the light house should have been expecting
relief and they should have had the relief flag flying,
and they would it would be expected that they would
have boxes down the landing to be refilled with supplies
and truck back up because and I probably didn't mention this,
um maybe I did. They had besides stairways, they had
a little railway line. It was steam power day, had
a steam powered engine up in the main hot warehouse

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or the main lighthouse, so that basically, through a series
of cables and pulleys would would let these carts down
and drag them back up put the supplies, and so
they probably would have had that little steam car, steam
powered car waiting down there, would be loaded up with supplies.
They're kind of creepy little rails now at this point there,
you know, super abandoned railway desolate. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And

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you noticed like they built right next to it, they
built a stairway. And if you look at the there's
pictures out there in the web of some of these
things as they exist today. And so you had to say,
there's curving down steeply and there's a stairway on the
outside on the cliff side of it. What's to me,
I would have put the stairway on the overboard. I

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don't want to. Yeah, yeah, but they put this the stairway,
and you know, and and the photos the stairway has
no handrail, yeah, and it's pretty steep, and it's like
right next to a big old cliff. Yeah. So yeah,
it's like I'd be very very carefully going up and
down that thing. Uh So. Anyway, so they're expecting that
they're expecting these guys, at least one of the members
of the crew to be down there on this landing
that there's a landing not too far above sea level

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where the boat ties up to, and they would expect
those guys because I mean it's a big event for them.
I mean, you've been on this think for like a
month without any human contact. Three guys. These guys are
bringing the supplies and bringing the mail. Didn't didn't I swear,
And this might be the more fanciful tellings, but I
swore that there was time. There was something in it

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about how they had to grow some of their own food. Yeah,
on the you know, they their own garden basically, Yeah,
they they had to have aless supposed that. I've heard
accounts that say that they had to do that too.
They had to raise animals and yea, and everything they
cheap and whatnot. Yeah, So I have no idea if
that standard up rating procedure for these guys are not.
It seems like I'll just throw this out there on

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a kind of small rock right essentially off Scotland where
the weather is often awful. You're not going to raise
animals because they're going to blow away, I mean, or
otherwise there's a you know, I mean, that's the sort
of thing you don't necessarily do, especially when the technology

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exists for you know, salted and cured meat, which isn't
as good. But you know, if the if the weather
is nice, you can do fishing if you need to.
But gardening, certainly, I think, except you're going to have
a really short growing season. Yeah, it's gonna stink, but
you can do it. But I remember seeing I mean
the name of this island. We was named after a
saint who built a small church there in six d

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That's who they named the island after. They named it
after they named the whole. There's a there's a chain
of out seven islands that are called a flanting island.
That's the Flanty. Yeah, this was Ellian Moore is called
apparently it's Gaelic for the big island, you know, and
they it was guys. You see, you know, shepherds used

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to take their sheep and this seems really dumb because
I can imagine what a task it must have been.
But they would cart their sheep to these islands, kick
them out on the island to feed on the grass.
They wouldn't stay overnight because they were fearing the spirits
or little people that live there, so they'd leave and

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then come back a couple of days they actually their sheep.
They do that in Ireland still, but they did do that,
and I leaned and the cause or the reason for
that is because there are no predators on those islands. True,
but they don't seem to word much work cart I mean,
neither of you dealt with sheep. Yeah, they're stupid, right,
but so it's not like a daily thing, right you Like,

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it's like for weeks or along. But but still it's
a giant pane in the butt to get a sheep
to go into a gated area, because they will, they'll
run into the fence, they'll run the opposite direction. They'll
go everywhere, but where the obvious hole is act that
I can only imagine trying to put them onto a boat,

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which is you know, an archaic boat. Yeah, again, it's
gonna suck, but it's probably over well less than you're
gonna lose two wolves. Salted mutton right there they put
right into the ocean. You got salted mutton, pre salted. Yeah,
I don't know. It just seems to me like it
would be a hell of a lot of work because
you'd have to haul and that's like the nearest other

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islands at large Island that's to the east about fifty
and twenty miles. That's a long way to sail and
very rough sea. I guess you'd do it the summer.
Maybe maybe it's only done in the summertime, but it
just probably it's a little it's a little weird to me,
you know. Maybe they were just really hard up for
good grass for their sheep to graze on. Okay, anyway,
but enough of them sheep so that so the Asperus

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shows up. Uh that the name of the relay, the
relationship to Hesperus. Yeah, it shows up, and they're a
little mistified. There's nobody there to meet them with the
landing and no signs of life at all. And they
shot off a rocket, an alert rocket, or basically basically,
they blasted the horns several times. They got no response,

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and then shot off a flare and and got no response,
and then they lowered a boat and sent a boat
into the landing. And by the way, side note there
are two landings for the for this thing. There's one
in the east and one on the west side. So
and they were approaching on the east side landing, right, yeah, yeah,
they were, they were there. Actually they were actually sailing
from the east of the island, so that would be

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the closer one. And it all depends on weather conditions,
you know, so the which way the wind is blowing.
So if it's blown from the west, you see east
one that's blown from the east east of the west
one be on the least side. Yeah, so they hit
in that that that'll be somewhat more significant a little
bit later on. But so they so they lower a
boat and sent a few sailors ashore along with this

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guy named Joseph Moore, and he was the relief guy.
He was the guy that was supposed to be taking
over so one of the other guys in the lighthouse
could go back to the shore for for a while. Yeah, exactly,
that's what he called the relief boat. So anyway he
goes ashore, and because there was nobody at the landing,
he had a little bit of trouble getting out of
the boat. I guess when you think about it would

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be a lot easier to land your boat if there's
somebody standing on the landing that you can toss your
rope to tie off. Yeah, so it's a little bit,
a little bit tricky, but he got on shore and
climbed up all them steps to the lighthouse. And when
he gets there, well, so there's a gate around the lighthouse,
and it was shut. The gate was shut, which at

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least that's to another mystery, which is why you need
a fence on a deserted island. Stock right there? Maybe
in reason, Maybe maybe that was to keep the livestock
out of their garden. So maybe they did have livestock
and a garden. I don't know. I figured it's kind
of irrelevant. I mean I heard that story too, but
I just figured it was kind of irrelevant to the
overall mystery. Sheep beat everything I could. It could have

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been Killer Sheep. I like the sheep version of Night
of the Lepez. Yeah, have you ever seen that that
movie Black Sheep? I believe it's called black Sheep. Where
it is killer where Sheep? Literally they're where sheep. It's
a terrible bee movie, but it's funny to watch again,

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I assert sheep version Night of the left Sorry, back
back to the story. Sorry, really good. They called sheep too.
I'm gonna skip sheep sheep too, and then and then
it's got to skip to sheep five. As long as
there's a weird makeout scene with popcorn. I think we're good.
Yeah yeah, okayed here anyway, So, so, as I said, so,

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he finds the gates to the fence shut and latched. Uh.
And then he goes from there to the outside door
to the keeper's quarters and that door is shutting matched Okay,
I was always as could be expected. And he goes
inside and everything was all neat and tidy. Everything was
in order, nothing out of the ordinary. There was a

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half eating meal of salted button and potatoes in the
kitchen too, salted button. Yeah, alright, can can I can
I call you out right now? The whole food thing. Yeah,
that's that's just like the Mary celesteciful. Oh yeah, that's
why if you look at if you look at that,
that's fanciful additions to the story. I don't want people

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to to think that that's really the trou version. Actually,
if you look at my ride up, if I bolted,
I bowled all the BS stuff that was like, oh,
I thought that was the stuff that I was supposed
to be paying attention to. Yeah, yeah, that's the reason
I bolted it, all right. Yeah. And there was also
an herb returned chair on the floor indicating that somebody

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had left in a big hurry. The fire was out,
and apparently about for days the clocks were stopped, indicating
that nobody been around to wind them. So more, Mr
Moore search a resident. There were numerous rooms like bedrooms
for the guys to sleep in and stuff, and I
found no one there. And I just want to make
a quick note that we'll be we'll be talking a
little bit about because because he submitted a written version,

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written testability about what happened on that day, and uh,
the half eaten meal in the kitchen and the overturned
chair that was not in his his accounting of that,
so that was definitely tacked on. I was going to say,
the problem with salted mutton and potatoes is that it's
a cold meal already, so you can't say, oh, and
it was cold or it was still steaming maybe before

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the alien subducted and they made him lay some of
that stuff. Spoiler spoilers. Oh sorry, sorry, I forget you
heard that. You never heard that. You never heard that,
you never heard that? Okay, I beck the story. Uh,
and you're awake. So so anyways, Mr Morges back to
the Hesperus and reported what he's seen to the captain.

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The captain told him to get his get his butt
back there, and sent three volunteers to go back with
him because obviously, I mean, it was a big mystery,
and they were all a little scared about the whole thing.
But at the same time, they needed to get the
lighthouse working, so and Mr Moore had to, like, he
took a few assistance with him, because obviously I can't
believe in there by himself, because it'd be all creeped out.

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Can you imagine how creep it would be to be
all by yourself in that lighthouse when three people have
just disappeared totally, But yeah, send some people along with him.
But but from a logistical standpoint, I mean, it's something
we should probably explain, is that it took three people
to run the lighthouse because at night you've got to
make sure that it's still burning and maintain that flame.

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And one person cannot stay up all night long, and
so it was in shifts. You know, I'm sorry, was
this before the invention of coffee? Yeh, does not keep
you up all night, as I learned in college. Yeah,
the it's you know, it's a shift from let's say,
eight o'clock to midnight, and then the next guy is
midnight to four, and then the next guy is four

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o'clock to dawn. So it's this it's this weird rotation,
and they all rotated through so one guy would eventually
at least one night get almost a full night's sleep,
but it takes multiple people to run this. Yeah, So anyway,
so you kind of back with this with the other guys,
and they look around a little bit and they noticed
that two of the oil skins and boots were missing.

(25:29):
So actually there were three sets of oilskins there, one
for each guy. Like rain jackets that was back in
the day before they invented gortex. So I think they
call them oilskins because where they what skin. It's like
cloth that was like leather. Typically jackets literally oiled up
and seal oil or whale oil it, you know, so

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it repels the water. It is the old school equivalent
of a plastic rain jack Okay, I just wasn't sure
oilskins or whatever they call you put water in. It's
it's like, you know, we we have not gortex, but
you have waterproof jacketson once a year, you got to
spray the waterproof. No, it's the same thing. It's just
that you would literally rub this oil all over it. Sure,

(26:16):
I was just I couldn't remember if oil skins were
jackets or if they were like the things you put
water in. No, no, not a The only thing you
think skin maybe a wine skin. Sorry everyone, and that
a whole lot of wine skins on the islands from
the Middle Ages. Anyways, apologies, Okay, way back to our mystery.

(26:39):
So besides the oil skins and boots that were missing, uh,
and and all three guys were gone, which one of
those guys left without his was that his oil skin on?
Which is weird because, by the way, December December, yeahzing
cold outside, it's gonna be cold, rainy, nasty. Yeah, I know.

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So that's a mystery. That's an honest to got a mystery.
Some telling say that a toolbox was also missing, but
there's there's no obviously obviously not. Yeah. So anyway, they
they came back and they kept the light going for
that night, which was December twenty six. They I mentioned
that they got out there in the six Yeah, I
think you've covered it. Yeah, I covered it. So that

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night they kept the light going and then then the
next day they spent the day scouring the island for
any sign of the missing man. Found nothing. And they
had already obviously seen the eastern landing, so they went
down and checked out the western landing and they found
some anomalous things there. It was glowing green as if
the UFO. I mean, okay, soil and green. Yeah, Now

(27:44):
apparently it's the stains and damage. There was a rock
that had been dislodge from the cliff above and it
come down in bast and it was a huge rock, yeah,
bashed up, you know, tont least. Yeah, and if it
fell down on the platform where the crane was bent
up all these cast iron rails and and there, and

(28:05):
that's something to point out. There was a crane on
that side, so you I know, the other side you
said there was the rail line, So it was there
only a rail line on one side and it was
just a physical crane on the other or there was
the rail The rail line split off and went to
both landings, and there was a crane at each landing
and the crane was to basically hoist supplies out of

(28:25):
the supply boat, so the supply boat could come and
get underneath where the crane was, and then they could
just lift supplies directly off instead of going through the
whole arduous process of trying to lift them out of
a boat alongside the dock and heaving North Atlantic seas.
Instead they could just like grab them straight off the
boat and lift them straight up. And a lot for
bigger shipments too. Yeah. Yeah, so so they had so anyway,

(28:46):
the rail line want to sell that they had quite
the infrastructure in this little island and the two rail lines,
so basically two rail lines, two cranes. As you wouldn't
I think, as you would hope, Yeah, what's the word?
I want to say, a you know what? But I'd
say it would be an arduous process. Let say that. Yeah, okay.
So in addition to that, the other thing that was

(29:08):
that was wrong was that that they had kept a
large wooden box that was full of ropes and stuff
like that lodged in the rocks about forty ft above
the crane, which would put it about seventy or about
a hundred ten ft above sea level, and that had
been knocked out of his place, and the ropes were
strewn around the crane, in the rocks around the cran
wasn't there a buoy that had also been Yeah, there
was a life buoy, And I'm not sure what they

(29:28):
mean if actually if that's like one of those rings
you know you see on ships. No, I think booy
usually refers to either of the like thing that floats
in the water right that are like pretty heavy, or
I guess I've every once in a while I've heard
like a life boat referred to as a buoy, but
I think probably they mean like the big heavy thing
that floats in the water right offshore. I'm not sure

(29:49):
that they only referred to it was a life buoy,
and I had always just assumed it was some sort
of a throwing ring that you could, like that was
attached to a rope that usually call in life preservers. Yeah, yeah,
exactly one. But good maybe. I mean this is Scotland.
I mean they're all messed up. They have a different
word for everything, okay, Yeah, I mean the trunk is boot, yeah,

(30:11):
and chips are fries and Frieser chips and they're just
all screwed up over there, man. Yeah, wa to ostracize
our friends on the other side. I'm sorry, everybody on
the other side of the pond. Actually, I love you guys.
Your blood pudding is my favorite thing in this entire world. Okay,
So next up in their investigation they look at the

(30:33):
log book. I did keep a log. I'm sorry, Yeah,
I just think that would be the first thing I
would do. I wouldn't. I wouldn't be like, oh, weird
this this island is kind of torn apart or whatever.
I would just be like, oh, I wonder what they
had to say. No, actually, when the last time they
wrote in this thing? Yeah, I guess what I'm saying
is next up in my little speech. They probably I

(30:53):
probably read the log earlier. Okay, all right, Yeah. The
log mainly had stuff like just anything that happened that
was worth worthy of note, and things like stuff about
the weather, the wind, barometer readings, temperature reading, stuff like that.
The final entries and the log were a little mysterious.
So December twelve, here's a quote. Gale north by northwest

(31:15):
sea lashed fury. Never seen such a storm, waves very high,
tearing at lighthouse, everything ship shape. James Ducott irritable. Later
storms still raging, winds steady, storm bound, cannot go out,
ship passing sounding foghorn could see lights of cabin. Ducott quiet,
MacArthur crying, Sissy. I know, think about you know, I

(31:40):
think about it is. I'm not I'm not sure what
kind of a storm this was. But I mean these
guys were seasoned veterans, like yeah, I think that's a
good point to bring up. None of them were fresh
on this kind of work. Who was Who was the
one that was in charge? It's Ducott, he was He'd
been doing this work kind of work. He's obviously got

(32:03):
a really good idea. So I can see quiet. Okay,
well that makes me he's like another storm. Okay, whatever,
James Ducott irritable before that, right. Marshall is the one
keeping these He's the lowest. Yeah, he's the middle guy.

(32:23):
Marshall is the middle guy. And Marshall is the one
who's writing in the log. The he's writing this in
the log? What's this a little strange and in in itself
because I mean, the log is something that any of
these guys could read. And that's that's my problem, is
that the log is for official recording, not my personal diary.
And this seems like something you know, the eighteen hundreds, Lady,

(32:45):
eighteen hundreds. I'm going to take my observations and I'm
going to write them down, Like that's what this sort
of seems like. If you would expect a young man,
let's say, an eighteen year old man of the times,
he would make these kind of observations in his writing.
Is for well, you're you're kind of like spoiling my

(33:07):
whole thing. That doesn't really matter. I was gonna I
was going to read all these and them portant point
out that they're all fake. No, no, I'm not saying fake.
I'm just saying it's a fake. And then we'll talk
about talk about whether December thirteen, storm continued tonight when
shifted west by North, Ducott quiet, MacArthur Prague, later noon

(33:29):
great daylight me Ducott and MacArthur prayed, and so no
entry on December fourteen. December fifteenth, there was a single
last line storm ended seacom God is overall who things
should have been bold. But so anyway, according to a

(33:49):
guy whose name I can't recall right now, this was
actually inserted into the story by a pulp fiction magazine
somewhat later after the facts. So this is all made up.
And if you look at if you look at the testimony,
of Joseph Moore. He says nothing whatsoever about any log,
any mysterious log entries. There's also a report submitted by
Robert Muirhead, who was a superintendent and the boss of

(34:12):
all three of those guys he investigated. He went out
to the island and looked around and and and saw
firsthand everything there that everybody else saw. He makes no
mention whatsoever of any mysterious log entries. Yeah, it says
here last written entries in the log were for December,
but particulars for fourteen December and of the time of

(34:33):
extinguishing the light on fifteen December, along with barometer and
thermometer readings and state of wind taken at nine am
on fifteen December were noted on the slate for transference
later to the log. Exactly they had they had it
so they had a slate board like a blackboard, and
they would make notes on that and then eventually you
know that somebody would put it into the log. Okay,
So the last the last actual entry was on nothing.

(34:58):
And he says there was nothing unusual. I mean, while
he doesn't he doesn't explicitly say that, but clearly if
there was something unusual he would have written it in
at And I got to admit that's why every time
that I was doing the reading on this and I
would see the log entry section, I ignored it because
I knew that that kind of writing just didn't make
sense to be in the long So I'm glad you

(35:19):
tracked this down, Joe, because that that clears up a
lot of garbally going oh yeah, that's just yeah. And
it's a feel like it's like you say, it's not
credible because again, it's like you're writing stuff in about
your co workers. Some of them might find offensive. MacArthur,
I understand, was like a tough guy, you know, like
a seasoned Mariners have a big tough brother. Yea guy
and if he if he reads that in the log,

(35:40):
he might be a little angry with you. Well yeah,
I mean that would be the equivalent. Maybe that's what happened.
Maybe he saw that and he murdered murdered Marshall. I
was just gonna say, that's the equivalent of today writing
an email to your boss and copying the person that
your bad mouth. Joe is such a journy. He just

(36:01):
makes stuff up and talk smack about everybody in the breakroom,
and you know Joe's carbon copied on it. That would
be the equivalent. I was going to say, it's the
reply all right, it's the accidental of reply all of like,
oh this is bunk. Why did this idiot write this stuff?
We know this is right. He didn't do his job.

(36:23):
He was taking a bunch of smoke breaks and you
didn't have time to write the report. Speaking of a
smoke breaks, we gotta hurry up and finish the so
I can have a cigarette. Yeah, anyway, where we at
where we at here? So when they when they when
they arrived there, they have and like I said, they
had to look around and they noted that the morning
routine have been finished. Whenever you finished up to night,

(36:45):
you have to do stuff like you've got to refill
the fuels, the fueling, you know, extinguish the light, refuel it.
You've got to clean the glass and all that because
this is a settling light, it's gonna be a little
bit smoky, so you've got to clean stuff up. So
all that stuff have been done, have been taken care of.
The kitchen had been cleaned, so obviously they cleaned up
after themselves for for breakfast or whatever. And the days

(37:06):
of course they were very short, so they must have
left somewhere between maybe around new time, late morning and sunset,
basically days of eleven days and right y, yeah, that
didn't happen. Yeah, yeah, so and and when the light

(37:26):
was out in the fifteen so they must have they
must have disappeared on the fifteen. Well, that makes it.
I mean, you know, the clues point directly to that
time frame, so that makes a lot of sense. Yeah,
indications are that they might have left in a hurry.
I mean, it's definitely if if if MacArthur left his behind,
left his oil skin behind, that would indicate that he
left in a hurry. But at the same time, he
carefully closed the door to the residents and also closed

(37:49):
the gate outside, which if you left in a hurry,
doesn't really make a lot of sense. Actually, can I
can I answer that because I read that and it
seems like a very odd beus answer to me. There
was some high winds at the time, And have you
ever been in a structure or around a fence where

(38:12):
the gate or the door is unlatched and the wind
is slamming it back and forth and eventually it will
slam it shut. And if it's got some kind of
simple latch on it, it'll latch itself. Yeah. I guess
that's the only thing, right, is that it depends on
what kind of latch it is. And that's that's that's
why I'm saying, if it's if it's a simple latch,

(38:33):
you know, it's a a lever latch that's got some
kind of camphor on the back side, so it rides
up and falls into its groove. It's gonna pop up
and fall in and suddenly the wind has just shut
the door for you. I mean, this is this is
things that you you see in in the tornado stories

(38:54):
from the middle of this country back in the thirties.
As they talk about the barn doors were ailing back
and forth and all of a sudden they just slammed shut.
And it was so strange. It wasn't that strange. It
was just happened to be that the wind blew in
a bloom apart and then pull them back together just

(39:14):
the right time, and everything mats up. I guess my
counter to that would would would be that these guys
were seasoned. I mean, you know, I I know we're
about to get into theories here, but that these guys
were seasoned lighthouse manners. That's the best way I can
pays technicians, if you will. Yeah, you know, in a

(39:35):
storm like whatever ostensibly may have happened or may not
have happened, you wouldn't like there would be no reason
to go out into that, particularly past whatever kind of
fences onto a docking area. So sure, maybe the fence
closed itself behind them, But like, the bigger mystery here
is what the heck could have made them leave their

(39:59):
totally structurally sound stone lighthouse as like frail human beings
and these gale wind forces and go out to the
most dangerous place on the island. Yeah, it's well, it's
not it's not clear that they actually left and went
out and went out to the landing, because it does
appear that they may have gone to the landing right,

(40:21):
and but it's not I'm not so sure that they
left in the middle of the storm conditions. I think
they left under calum conditions because obviously nobody in his
right mind would try to go down those steep stairs.
I guess that's fair that they could have left before
and then the gale would have closed it after. Yeah,
that's exactly what That's what I was saying, is that
yes they Okay, we have eleven days between when they

(40:44):
seem to have disappeared and somebody else showed up. Actually,
and and let's point out eleven days that we're bad
enough that the relief could not go in those eleven days.
Well no, no, not necessarily. Okay, let's let's let's go
back to that, because there are multi doable versions of
the story that say, and you alluded to this a
little bit, is that they knew something was wrong, but

(41:08):
they couldn't go out because the sea was so bad.
But regardless, there were bad seas between thee and when
they it wasn't all sunny sunny night. Yes, there were storms.
So we're gonna ignore the whole hyper bowl of they
couldn't get out there and knew something was wrong. Fun,

(41:29):
We're just going to hone in on the fact that
there was bad weather. So if somebody did leave in
a hurry, that would explain why the gate and the
door were closed, all right, willing to go there. Yeah,
So anyway, and as most tellings of this big Mystery conclude,
why would they what caused them so much terror that
they fled and you know, one of them missing, you know,

(41:52):
not taking as oil skin in the YadA, YadA, YadA.
So there the mystery leaves off. Well, you know, we
don't know, but it's time to work. Got ourselves into
the theories. Sweet, Okay, it's the number one. How did
this go so long? Yeah? Ide the number one actually
because the rest of our shows aren't long. Yeah. I
think most of the major sides for you guys. Okay,

(42:16):
some of the theories that are out there, I like
to have some of the really silly theories, like giant
gigantic birds snatching them off the off the rocks giants,
Well that's from Yeah, calm down, don't look at me
like that. Want have the giant gray Beard? Is that?

(42:38):
How how you're getting the Gandalf reference? Reference? Reference? I
like reference Joe, Yeah, please continue? Because about this UFO abduction.
So you're laughing, but I kind of like it. Yeah,
you always like the UFO no matter what the instances.
It's because I'm fall yeah, apologist. But yeah, somebody says

(43:03):
on Facebook that that's a real word, and now you're
throwing it at me constantly, just constantly, constantly. All of
our everything correspond everything. Yeah, every email I get from
devon ufologist from the from the desk of the ufologist.
I don't you've changed that to the tag on your emails.
You gotta put that in mine. It's gonna be like,

(43:25):
you know, ufologist, future ologist, something like that, entomologists, zoologists,
crypto zoologists. Yeah, sorry, the UFO dust and I would buy.
But there's like no little scorch marks from there from
their rocket exhaust. How do you know the rain washed
it away? Well, I was going to actually kill the plants.
They wouldn't know. They want to know there's something when

(43:45):
they cerci there's no crop rings. Yeah, no crop rings? Yeah,
of no crops. So can we move on? Yeah? Okay.
Another theory one of the men maybe went a little crazy,
which is actually possible. And the circumstances like that, when
you're cooped up for a month or two with a
couple of other guys. They hadn't been there that long. Yeah,
they've only been there like a month. And how long

(44:06):
had they been that How long had they worked together?
I'm not sure if these guys had spent a lot
of time together or not. I don't really know how
they cycled and rotated people spent time together. But they
had all done this kind of work exactly. It wasn't
none of them were green hordes, yeah exactly. And they
knew how to deal with it, and they knew how
to not take stuff personally and not go you know,

(44:28):
and how to be cooped up for weeks on and
with a couple of other guys crying in the corner. Yeah,
but yeah, so many. But that is it's there that
perhaps one of them went crazy and killed the others
and then threw himself off the cliff into the sea.
And you gotta amit. I mean, that's possible. It's not why,
that's a real stretch. Yeah, another possibility. And this this

(44:51):
relates to the Mary Soul last also and also the
Dancing plague, Yeah exactly. And that is that ride that
ryol that which I forgot the name of. It was
too lazy there actually go out and look up, but
that ryl. They have got to hallucinations and all kinds
of weird stuff, so would explain a lot. Actually, it's
possible that they ate something that drove them drove down

(45:11):
a little little nuts to the point where they were like,
you know, just off having a little fun dancing on
the edge of the cliff and then whoops, uh yeah,
dance party in an end. Yeah. Actually, and you know, actually,
another theory that I thought but I forgot to write down,
was well, let's again, let's get back to that picture
of those steep stairs with no handrail or anything like that,

(45:32):
and they're all just sort of heading down of the
land and do some maintenance or do something, maybe fishing
or whatever. And suddenly the guy in the back of
the line just trips over his shoe lags you know
that there's a head or it takes the other two
with them and they go off the cliff. Actually, and
I there's two things that I'm gonna say here. One
I could see in a situation like that at that

(45:54):
time where for safety you would tie each other together.
So I tie myself to Joe and Oh ties himself
to Devon, so that if one of us slips, the
other can anchor. So I could see the first guy slipping,
dragging the next guy over, who drags the third guy over,
except I and correct me if this is not right, Joe.

(46:17):
Everything that I saw was saying that the standard protocol
was one man was always in the lighthouse. And the
other two could go where they wanted. Is that correct
as as far as you could find and you're from
the board that you were looking at. Yeah, Yeah, my
understanding is yeah, that was standard operating procedure. But I'm
not I never got total clarity on whether that was

(46:40):
seven or if that was only during White House operation hours. Ah,
that's a good point to make, I have to that.
One is that only two of the oil skins were missing,
So two guys could have been down there, right, something
could have gone wrong and the other dude like ran
out to try and help them and unsuccessful. Right. The

(47:02):
other point that I would make is that I feel
that it would be counterintuitive on steps like that to
anchor each like each other, right that Like, actually the
right way to do that would be one person goes
all the way down and once they're off the stairs completely,
the next person comes down. To see that with ladders
in like in theater tech stuff for instance, you don't

(47:23):
you know, if there's a fall hazard, you don't rope
yourself together, you do it completely separately. Yeah, I would
take that to make a lot more sense. Yeah, I
mean definitely, if I was walking down that stairway, the
something got right behind me. I'd be dude, back off, lea,
this is this is the wrong time to pull the

(47:45):
and startle somebody. Maybe that's what happened. I got you,
joke gone wrong splash. Yeah so okay. And also it
could have been a banana appeal on the stairs. Yeah okay.
So next Therey ghosts, and apparently there were there were.
I mean, this is nineteen Hunters, so there's still people
who are believed in ghosts. In factly there's still people

(48:06):
to believe in that stuff these days. Please explain this
to me, Arthur Conan Doyle. Yeah, yeah, there were, but
some people have Some people apparently believed that the islands
were haunted, and you were called you you said that
I told that story about the shoppers bringing their sheep over,
but they wouldn't spend the night, So there was there
was there was something some who said that the quote
phantoms of the Seven Hunters and that and the phantoms

(48:29):
of the Seven Hunters. The Seven Hunters were the other
name for those seven islands once they were called the
Seven Hunters. I personally believe that people didn't stay there
overnight because it sucked. Yeah, probably that too, And there
was no rest, worst vacation ever in the rain. But yes,
but there were something that claimed that the phantoms of
the Seven Hunters somehow lured or frightened the men into

(48:51):
going over the cliffs. Another one was that they rode away,
and why they would do that, I don't know. It
seems kind of insane to me. But supposedly, and again
I'm about a d percent sure that this isn't more
made up stuff. Shipping in the fair wind was passing
the area the night of the fifteen, and the crew
of the fairwe claimed was seen a quote ghostly longboat unquote. Yeah,

(49:13):
I know, bunk. There were three men rowing the boat
who were dressed in heavy rain gear and who reportedly
had faces with quote the color of bone unquote. So
the crew of the fairwold called out to the men
in the boat and blasted the horn, but the men
of the longboat ignored. Obviously, we can disprove this immediately
because only two of them had their heavy grain gear exactly. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

(49:34):
well that could have been It could have been some
other lighthouse keepers from the next island down, I guess,
but yeah, because there are so many lighthouses on those islands. Yeah, Okay,
so we're not gonna necessary We're not We're gonna kind
of discount that. In fact, I'm almost not to present
certain that either some news some enterprising newsman made this up,
or novelists made this up, or the crew of the

(49:54):
fair One made it up. I really wish that newsmen
in the nineteen hundreds could realize how their sensational headlines
would just screw everything up for everybody later on to
trying to find out the real story. No, because we
wouldn't have a show much easier, and you have to
wait through so much garbage news been a news century

(50:18):
or pretty much doing the same thing crap. Yeah, so
people people in the twenty century, you're gonna be saying
the same thing. They're gonna be having that little podcast.
I said, God knows what it will be called. It'll
be called it'll be something from in the New Order world,
the New World Orders language. Yeah. Yeah, hello, let's just

(50:39):
thinking sideways. You're a government sponsored podcast that the goal
is Yeah, pretty much alright, Next sory reef madness. I
thought that was the bread bold different Yeah, mans so
discovered him on the men's effect were No, I'm putting

(51:06):
that Joe you're totally making this up as I'm actually
reading your text. This is so you should be approving
the shows. We would red light a lot of this text. Okay, Okay,
you guys saying you think we can rule out re FORMID. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

(51:28):
what's your last one? Here? Last one is that they
went down to one of the landings for one reason
or another um and a big rogue sneaker wave came
in and nabbed him all and drug wants to see you.
That's crazy talk, Yeah, that's crazy talk. I have a theory. Yeah,
it was the doctor. Could have been. I think there
was a colonel. It was a colonel on the study

(51:51):
with the candlestick. Now, obviously the doctor came with the
tartist that doctor, Okay, obviously, I mean they disappeared without
a trade. He would have come to save them. He
destroyed the cybermen that were on the island underneath. They
knew a bet it was be Cyberman because the Dark
List You're just too easy, So it's got to be

(52:11):
Cyberman this time. Maybe it was the lizard people again,
lizard people freaking hate the lizard people. Always the lizard people. Okay,
so what what do you you you're you're furiously going
through notes. I'm looking at well, I'm looking through to
Mr Muir has report here, and obviously metal men were
not on it. Yeah, no, no, because the doctor took

(52:35):
care of it. Well, he did say, he did say
in his report that Joseph Moore told him that the
only time he was familiar with these guys, and the
only time they put on their oil skins, was when
they went down to one of the landings, which would
indicate to me that a couple of them went down
to one of the landings, most likely the Western Landing,
which is apparently a lot of brew ha ha happened. Yeah,

(52:57):
and um, so that would tend to support the whole
idea that they went down there to do a little
maintenance or inspect the damage that had occurred. Although you know,
again there's no mention of any entry in the log
about the damage that occurred, so maybe it occurred even afterwards,
who knows, Maybe they were down there for some other reason,
But that would lend me to believe that a couple

(53:19):
of them went down there to the landing to do
something and then the other guy left for some reason
of chas him down there, leaving his oilskins behind, And
it might have been it might have been that the
weather was actually halfway decent on that day. It didn't
feel a need for it. He just left without oil skins.
Who knows. But then Mr big sneaker wave comes in,
you know, and they're on the front of that wave.
Is I gett you on a surfboard? So I think

(53:45):
that's the only h The other thing that was that
I thought was a possibility is that perhaps there was
an earthquake, because remember there was a big one ton
of stone that was dis large. Imagine if imagine if
you're down there on this landing and a big earthquake
happens along, or maybe you're actually walking down to steep

(54:06):
precarious stairs down there, the earthquake comes along, boom boom, boom,
you know, getting knocked off into the sea. So I
was thinking that it's possible they had an earthquake. I
guess I suspect that, um, you know, twenty miles is
a long way for light to travel in those days,
not so far away for an earthquake. Yeah, so that

(54:27):
you know, people who are keeping more meticulous logs would
have said, oh, there was an earthquake, particularly if they
were a coastal town or shipping docks because the because
of tsunami problems, and they knew about tsunami's back then,
so it wasn't you know, they would that would have
been something that they would have said. Oh and also
there was this weird earthquake that happened. Yeah, yeah, so yeah,
I know that's that's that kind of like makes that

(54:49):
theory a little tender. But yeah, so, but I guess
that's totally It's possible that that rock just gave way.
I mean happens sometimes. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean
it could have been I mean wave action. I mean
it does appear. I mean, for example, that box which
was stored sea level was washed out by a wave.

(55:10):
So it sounds like occasionally waves came in, came in
in some waves, some big sneaker anomalous wave came in
and and nabbed that box and knocked it out. And
even if it didn't necessarily get the guy that that's happening, occasionally,
that rock is going to be getting pounded on. It's
gonna get loosen up sooner or later. Over time, it's
just gonna just go. And if they had the bad
luck to be down there underneath it on the landing

(55:32):
or by the crane or whatever. Then you know they
could have been knocked off by it. They could have
been killed by it and knocked off. So and of
course days went by, it rained a lot in the meantime,
so all the blood got all the blood and everything
got washed off. Okay, so do you guys want to
expound in that last series anymore? Well? YouTube is that
kind of where you two are? I'm sticking with reefer madness,

(55:55):
and I'm okay. I actually have got to say that
when I was doing the reading, I think that, as
Joe put it, the sneaker wave is the most likely theory,
and and I have I have some pretty good reasoning
behind it, because I was reading accounts of people who

(56:17):
had gone to that island, and anybody who hasn't yet
take the time look at the pictures. As Joe said,
it's an itsy bitsy landing with a sharp staircase, and
there were people who were visiting that and it's calm seas,
and all of a sudden they look out and they
see a big wave rolling in and crashing against the

(56:40):
side of the island for no reason. Just I don't
know where giant wave. Let's fair for a reason, but
not for I discernible from humans. Right, it's a it's
a rogue wave, and it is a huge sixty foot
crest that it causes. And this guy watched it and
he said something to the person that was working. They're like, oh, yeah,

(57:02):
that happens from time to time, and we've almost lost
some guys. You just gotta be watched out for those
and and hang on, which basically think if they don't
know that's coming. And they're down on that landing where
the crane is and they're getting ready for the relief ship,
and then the last guy who's up top all of
a sudden looks out and sees that wave and goes

(57:23):
booking outside to say, hey, you guys, get out of there.
Hang on this wave. These waves, the one that they
talked about, it crashed at the sea level is just
below the landing and they said that it when it
hit the water was seventy feet above sea level. Okay,

(57:43):
that's a huge amount of water to be coming across
a ten foot landing. You can't hold onto anything, You're
gonna get sucked out. And the poor soul who is
who whichever one it is that's running to tell his friends,
probably can't yell from the top. He's got a hoof
down the stairs part way to yell at him, so

(58:04):
now he's getting sucked up into. That's what makes me
think that it's the road wave. It's just because there's
reports of these crazy calm seas all of a sudden
road wave out of nowhere, just you know, fifty forty
thirty seventy feet high, just washes everything out. That's what
That's what makes me inclined to believe it's that. Yeah,

(58:26):
it probably is, although it's still a little bit of
a head scratcher because these guys were very experienced and
they knew that the sea could do stuff like this,
but they're not used to that particular area to know
what to look out for. The sea is different. They
were new to that particular spot. Maybe they just weren't expecting, yeah,
I mean, or they weren't paying attention. Oh thank god,
the release ship is going to be here. I can

(58:48):
see my wife, I can get off this bloody island.
Blah blah blah. Yeah, you know, I mean, there's a
whole host of reasons why they may not have seen
it now, It's like it's it's not surprising at all.
It's what is a little surprising. I said, all three
of them were lost. It's not surprising that one of
them got swept away, but all three at the same time.
It's like, wow, you know that is a little shocking.

(59:10):
I maintain it was the doctor. Okay, the doctor. Fine,
that is that is a very sound theory. That's why
I said it. Okay, okay, So Devin selves a mystery,
I told you, all right, So that concludes our mystery.
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(59:30):
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(01:00:14):
And last of all, I would like to thank our
listener Jacob who suggested this particular little mystery. Uh, there's
a lot of mysteries out there, and even listener suggested
ones suggested ones I've usually heard of before, but this
particularly one I had actually not heard of. Had you
guys heard of the particular one. I think that I
may have come across it once, but I just breathed

(01:00:35):
by it because I I think when I came across
was kind of a Merry Celest style version of it,
and so I just never gave it any thoughts. So
I'm glad it was suggested because there was a lot
more meat to this than I realized. Yeah, we're rocking
the listeners suggestions these days, so we better we better
like get some more suggestions from you guys so that
we can rebuild our database of running out and we

(01:00:59):
don't want have to go out and find our own mystery.
We don't want to do that. I actually, you know,
I go out and I just do goog stuff like
lamest unsolved mystery. Steve is laughing, but I think this
is actually what he dies. Yeah, really obviously really obvious

(01:01:19):
unsolved mysteries stuff like that, solved unsolved mystery because I
started dot com Yeah, originally was minding this little vein
which we call on Google like unsolved mysteries, and well
that leads you to that, that leads you to the
same websites every single time. Yeah, it's kind of tough anyway.
So yeah, again, Jacob, thanks appreciate the suggestion and hope

(01:01:40):
you liked our treatment of it. If we overlooked anything,
then please contact us and let us know and maybe
we'll have to do a redo. Well maybe I'll an
update something like that. Anyway, So that is it until
next week, by everybody. Do