Ep. 235 - Heather Taddy

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now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and JamesBoobo Fay, Hey, Bobes. What's
happening to men? Not much,it's going out to you, Cliff.
Oh, just another day in Paradise. It's like sixty degrees. It's drizzling
outside. It's pretty cool. Ilove this weather fault. I think it's
probably my favorite time of year.It's just so pretty and that. I
love the temperatures and the rain.It's great. It's definitely my favorite time

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of the year. First sure,and yeah, I just got back yesterday
from uh went out for a coupleof days. We went squatching and getting
wood, and we ended up travelingway out, way way out, like
jeez, I think we took liketwo hundred two hours and forty five minutes
northeast. He went out above some'sbar until we found some standing dead madrone.

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It like god, it was likefifty six hundred feet or something,
and we ended up camping up there. And it was supposed to be like
really warm, but it was sohigh up we got pretty frozen. It
was pretty freezing. But yeah,we ended up got two cords in one
day. It was kind of allthe easy stuff was people had gotten.
So we had to like and wedid. We forgot our chains to like

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choke them out, you know,to choke out the haul out of any
like logs, especially on a downhillslope. So we were just having a
We drove and drove and drove tillwe got way up and then we found
some up there. So we gota couple of cords, but we gotta
go get some more. We're gonnaget some more. They were gonna go
out Highway thirty six back to thatspot. We go down out there on
the east side. Yeah, wellwest of the five, but east of

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the one on one. Wow.Wow, that's a long ways out,
and that's a long ways out foryou. But God, nobody's down there.
Nobody's down there at all. Andthere's been a couple of things that
have gone down within eight miles thatspot. We used to camp all the
time. And uh so there's twospot, two things that have been going
on down there, and this we'regonna go there and uh, there's there's
a lot of wood down there,majorone and stuff. So we're gonna go

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down and get some madrone and thendo a couple of days squatching. Yeah
you do. I mean you mustbe big footing while you're out there,
I guess right, Oh yeah,for sure. I mean at night I
love. Yeah. The other nightthough, it was so beautiful and it
was so warm from that ridge beforeit dropped cold. We were we were
like at a sat We were upthree hundred and sixty degree view just of

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the whole like Marble Mountains and wildernessand Trinity Alps, and it was like
a three quarter moon and it wasjust so beautiful. End we were we
were just playing music and we heardsomething come around. I think it was
deer, but because it was sowe were so high up, I couldn't
imagine I think, being up there, like you know, end of October
getting to November, I don't seesomething squatch hanging out, you know,

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above five six thousand. We werelike, yeah, like fifty seven hundreds,
I think, you know, Idon't think there are about four thousand
at the highest this time, especiallywith the still head around going and a
few salmon. Yeah, we gotno salmon fishing this year. There's no
salmon fishing it all down here.Oh yeah, I'm not sure what's going
on here. I hear they're inthe river right now, but I keep

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hearing about coho and that's about it. But I did hear catch a lot
of the news about a bad salmonhere and stuff for all the entire Pacific
Northwest, which includes you, ofcourse. Oh but dude, they're catching
fricking I see my buddy's buddy holdinga He sent hum a picture of it.
When I was talking on one hundredand seventy five blue fin eight miles
off the Eureka Like five boats wentout the smallest the way they were catching,

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we're like over one hundred and twentyfive and up to twenty five.
Oh geez, that's those are big, big fish. I've heard the blue
fin in southern California have not leftlike for a year, two or three
or something. It's a ridiculous fightdown there. And of course blue fin
are cold water SPEEDI or not cold, and they're a little bit of everything
water species actually cool. Yeah,they can do the pretty well in cool

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water as well as the tropical stufflike down by Guadaloupe Island and stuff.
But fishing is fishing mountains. Youaren't going to catch him unless you go.
It's like bigfooting in a lot ofways. I wish I can get
out there. But yeah, ifI talked to you since my Tennessee gig,
I don't think so. Yeah,I went out to Tennessee Gig,
and of course you know, goodstories set her and stuff. But I
guess the most important thing that Iwanted to bring up there. Maybe this

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will ring a bell if I toldyou Melissa got scared into the house while
I was gone by something big andheavy outside. No. Yeah, I
remember a couple of years ago.I don't remember the date, but I
think it was two thousand and eighteenor much been nineteen. I was out.
I was on expedition with doctor Meldrumout here in the mountainod National Forest,
and I happened to catch a receptiona little bit. I checked out

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with Melissa one night, and becauseshe was home alone at that point,
and she says something scared her insidethe house. Coyotes are around. She
goes, oh, coyotes, blahblah blah. And then like thirty minutes
later, twenty minutes later, somethingwent boom on the lawn and just this
huge thudding noise that she felt inher chest. And she was out on
the porch at the time, andshe she basically goes, what the hell

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is that? And went inside andclosed all the curtains and said what do
I do? And I said countyourself lucky and listen, you know,
which didn't help her at all.Poor thing was probably scared. But anyway,
she was out this time about twoweeks ago or something like that,
because I haven't spoken to you fora while, I don't think, and
if I did, I didn't sheYou know, we just had this Halloween

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party this past weekend. I don'tknow if you. I was trying to
make it. If I could,there was no way. I mean,
I thought I might be able todo well. From what I remember,
it was a pretty good party.Just leave it like that. But she
she made a haunted house under thedeck with all of her props and sound
effects and this, and made alittle story out of it and all this
a studden. It was a wonderful, cute little thing. I've got a

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video of it. Maybe I'll askMatt Prue to put that on her member
section for people. But when shewas out, she was out there like
a dusk her jess post dusk.You know, it was getting pretty dark,
which is pretty rare from Melissa becauseshe's scared to go outside at night.
She was out there and then sheover at the same area over by
the apple trees on the other sideof the property, not that far away.
She once again she heard a boom, like this big thud right and

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she goes what she stopped, andthen she heard boom, boom boom off
into the brush. She heard thislike big, heavy, heavy, heavy
footsteps off into the brush away fromthe property, down towards the power lines.
And I just I got word ofthat, and I go, holy
smokes, they might be back.That's that interesting. So is there a

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tree that it could have jumped outof and landed and then stopped off or
I think it just was a footstop. I don't. I mean,
I don't know. I wish Iwould have heard it. If I would
have heard it, i'd probab mighthave a better answer for that question.
But since I don't know, Ijust don't know. Yeah, So I
don't that's something I wanted to sharewith you. I mentioned the Halloween party.
It was great, by the way, a lot of fun. Other
than that, man, I wentout once. I found two possible footprints

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over at Easter Island, and notquite sure, but they're like the things
were pushed down and they had theright shape, but or whatever. But
nothing you can take to the bank. So I'm just putting in the maybe
pile, not even adding that tothe database at this point, you know.
And other than and I guess theother cool thing I wanted to share
is just earlier today, less thanan hour ago, I was talking to
Neil Beck, the the what isit, the great nephew of Fred Beck.

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Yeah, and it was my greatpleasure to tell him that the Ape
Canyon mine had been rediscovered, becausehe had not heard that yet. Oh
he had is so is his cousinswere the ones that rediscovered? Isn't it
his cousins or I guess I don'treally know how family like that works,
but I know it was the greatgrandsons of one of the miners. But
it wasn't one of the Beck.It wasn't Beck, It wasn't in the

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Beck family. I think it wasthe Smiths. Or somebody. I don't
remember the family. But it wasn'tthe Becks who found who rediscovered the cabinet.
It was a great grandsons of oneof the other miners. Yeah,
but there, but those guys werelike cousins or nephew and you know,
nephew and uncle or something like.There was some of the original four five
eight Canyon miners were I think threeof them were related. Oh I don't

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know. I mean, Kalama wasa small town back then. Maybe most
of them were related, who knows. But anyway, Yeah, so I
got the pleasure of speaking with him, and I asked him he has these
photographs I guess of the cabin Maybehe says, yeah, remember having those
of my stuff somewhere. When Iunpack him, I'll let you know.
I asked him about him and thenhe hasn't He hasn't run across those yet.
But I'm gonna keep calling and askinghim because in the museum here,

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I'm upstairs at the museum right now, in the museum here, in twenty
twenty four, we're going to doa year long celebration of the one hundredth
anniversary of the Ape Canyon incident.So pretty excited about that. That's cool,
very cool, very cool. Wegonna have some artifacts on display.
We have some cool The Beck familyhas lent me some official documents and whatnot

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on which Fred Beck has written hisautograph and his wife had written her autographs
like land aids and stuff like that. So there's gonna be some never before
seen artifacts on display, really reallycool stuff. So NABC in twenty twenty
four all year long and Ape Canyoncelebration gonna get ap cool as if I'm
not apy enough. All right,what was on the docket for today?

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Oh, I'm so pleased. Thishas taken a while to get together.
It's taken a while to get together. We've got a good friend on the
podcast today, and I kind ofmanaged this through my wife because Melissa has
become good friends with her as wellbecause of their heritage Pittsburgh Ian. But
yeah, today we have paranormal investigatorat all around cool person, Heather Taddy

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on the show. Heather. Well, we'll get into what Heather is and
when I'll let her tell us frankly, because I mean I just know her
as a person. I don't evenI don't know that much about her career.
I do know that she was onParanormal State back in the day.
That's the show I've heard of,and I might even seen part of an
episode, which is big for me. But Heather, thanks so much for
taking some time and coming to spendit with Cliff and Bobo. Thanks for

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having me. Yeah, thanks forcoming on board. You were part of
Paranormal State? Was that the Pennsylvaniacollege kids? Yeah, so it was
based off of the Penn State ParanormalResearch Society, which was a student club
back by the university at Penn State, and I had started going to meetings.
But how I found out about themwas I found out they ran this

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huge academic paranormal conference called Unicorn andlike the early two thousands, and they'd
have like Lorraine Warren there, they'dhave famous parapsychologists Jay and Grant would be
there from Ghot Hunters, because thatwas kind of around the time when their
show came out. But I waslike super impressed because it was truly like
it was very academic based and itwas like put together really well. So

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I was studying at Penn State forlike a French test and I just came
across this article that was like literallythis newspaper. The school newspaper was like
open to this spread that highlighted thisclub, and I had transferred up to
the main campus and I just kindof kept the article and joined the club.
And I had no idea what turnedinto a television series at all.

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I just joined it because I wantedto start training to be a field investigator,
and I really just wanted to gainaccess to haunted locations so that I
could see stuff. So you startedshowing up to the meetings. Were there
cameras there? And he kind ofsaid, what is this or what did
it morph into it? Over time? No? So I guess two years
before I had joined, they hadfilmed a pilot for a potential series.

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This like Emmy Award winning producer discoveredthe club because Ryan, the old who
started the club in like two thousandand one, he assisted the police on
this missing person's case in State College, Pennsylvania, and he suggested the use
of a psychic and that kind ofbecame the basis for a different series.
And then they wanted to do aseries where they followed the club around helping

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families. So I didn't know aboutany of that, you know, going
to these meetings, I just wentto these meetings. They were at a
building on campus like every Sunday night, and I didn't know anyone there,
and it was just this very interestinggroup of people, maybe like ten to
fifteen people, and we just sharedour experiences and talked about famous cases,
and then I found out about thetraining program. It just seemed like a

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really legit club. Like the manualfor the club was like this huge pamphlet.
It was it was really serious,and I was really surprised to see
that a college could put that togetherand was so serious about it. So
that's kind of why I had joinedthe club. But like, I've just
always been interested in the subject ofeverything paranormal. So when I found out

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there was a club that I couldgo to and like learn more about it
and actually be able to gain accessto places, I was like, Oh,
sign me up. And then aboutthe sixth meeting. In six or
seventh meeting, I noticed a newface in the room and it ended up
being one of the producers and theywere handing out these pamphlets. And then
the next day I saw these signsall over campus advertising like, Hey,

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do you want to go to hauntedplaces and be part of like a docu
series that we'll be on A andE. And you know, I was
a part of the club and Ihad been going through the training process and
it was a really like really difficultprocess because you had to take all these
extra tests quizzes, and it waslike adding another class onto your curriculum.
So I went through it and endedup me and Katrina Widman were the only

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two that like made it through becauseit had like a seventy five percent dropout
rate, and we made it through, and then we had tried out for
the show and then we got castsand we were the two that they cast
besides like three other people that werealready like part of the club that started
it. You must have just thought, like, holy smokes, my life
has taken a strange turn. Yeah, it was weird. And I remember,
like, you know, I studiedfilm in college, I studied French.

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I always knew I would do somethingwith film or TV because I just
kind of grew up. I grewup doing these like weird commercials for like
local radio stations and stuff in myhometown. And when I was like a
teenager, I was just obsessed withstealing my mom's video camera and just like
filming these ridiculous skits with my friendsand just documenting like every moment of my
life. So then I kind ofused that in my investigating to try to

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catch evidence, because that's you knowwhy I got onto all this because of
the stories and just being really fascinatedthat we don't have all the answers,
but like, I just really wantedto see stuff that blew my mind and
stuff that really challenged my beliefs.Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with
Cliff and Bogo. We'll be rightback after these messages. Did you shay

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them that blew your mind? Yeah? I mean I kind of went into
it pretty skeptical, but then weworked on a lot of really serious client
cases on paranormal state, like inthe early days, and that kind of
swayed me more to be a believerbecause I did experience some things. I
think one of the most one ofthe early things I experienced was we were
at this haunted schoolhouse. It waslike a schoolhouse that they had remodeled into

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like apartments, and this woman hadall these experiences. We brought in a
priest to bless the house, andher apartment was kind of set up like
a loft, and I remember sittingon this couch facing these cabinets in the
kitchen, and while the priest upsStare was doing a blessing, this cabinet
was closed. But this cabinet,it wasn't angled, there was nothing sticking
to it that could have caused itto like open. But it literally just

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it didn't fly open, but itslowly just like opened right in front of
us, right across from me.And I tried everything I could to like
debunk it. We tried taking offthe cabinet, but it was just it
coincided with like a really weird momentwhen the priest was doing this like house
blessing. So that was one ofthe very first things. And then where

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I was like, I have noexplanation for that. Then I got touched
one time at this location when Ihad no explanation and there was nothing in
my way that could have caused that. I was leaning up against this bathroom
in this house in Oregon where thiswoman had seen this headless ghost walk back
and forth. She always felt likeshe was being watched, and I was,

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I was. We did this thingcalled dead time where we would like
turn off all the electronics have aslittle people as possible in the space to
avoid like interfering with noises and things, and we would just try to attempt
spirit communication. And I was alwaysthe one on the show that would put
myself in situations alone with a camerabecause I was always just like the brave
person to do that. So Iwas in this bathroom where this client always

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felt uncomfortable, and I was leaningagainst the sink and my arms were stretched
out and I just felt something touchmy elbow enough for me to bend it,
and I had it all on cameraso that you could see there was
just like nothing around me. Sothose were two like earlier experiences. And
like we we would stay the nightin the client's houses during like the first

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through second season because it would allowus to kind of immerse ourselves more in
the environment and have more experiences.And I remember just like trying to fall
asleep, and before that, Ihad never slept in any kind of haunted
house. I didn't grow up ina haunted house. I had zero experiences.
And I remember like hearing noises thatI couldn't explain and not being able
to sleep, and just like hearingsomething walk in the hall, and I

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remember from then on, I juststarted wearing earplugs to sleep. Yes,
I still wear earplugs to this daywhen I sleep. Class. Yeah,
the big Foot world, if youget touched on the elbow, it's like
third base. I want to comebig foot hunting with you, guys.
I would love to whenever you're outhere, you know. I mean you're
friends with the entire family now,so you've got a place to stay.

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If you ever want to come out, you're always welcome. That would be
so fun. I want to go. I want to go squatching. Yeah,
and some of our best spots arewithin an hour of the house too,
right. I mean, as youheard in our preamble here that you
don't even really have to leave theproperty sometimes some nights. So that's so
cool. Yeah, if that's whatit was that she heard. You know,
so all the good stuff happens whenI'm gone. I wish I was,
you know. I don't know ifthat's a coincidence or not, or

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you know, maybe who knows,who knows? What's Are you on a
show right? Currently? Are youon a show now? So? I
guest star on this show on theCW called Mysteries Decoded, where they kind
of explore different everything ranging from cryptozoologyUFOs to just like famous haunted places.
And I've guests started on three episodesso far. One of them premiered.

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We did Dulce Bass out in NewMexico. Oh yeah, yeah, by
dulcein New Mexico. Yeah yeah,yeah yeah. We have a good bigfoot
friends that live out in that direction. Oh cool, it's an interesting place.
I did that episode for their seasontwo. And then there's season three,
which haven't premier hasn't premiered yet.I did two episodes for that.
But I film and produce a serieswith Katrina Widman called Travel the Dead on

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YouTube. We have about five episodesup right now. We just premiered part
one of this haunted farm we investigatedand those those are free on YouTube.
So that's kind of my focus.Now. I thought you were grateful Dead
or something. Oh no, thatwould be funny. It makes sense.
So yeah, Travel the Dead,Yeah, I never I never put that

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together. That's really funny. Theyjust traveled the West Coast to see the
dead personally. Maybe we can haveBob We're guest star one over episode.
Oh yeah, and call it weirdor weird far weird so you mentioned that
you like, you're one of thesepeople that isolates yourself and goes into these
haunted situations alone. Do you doyou think from your experience or what the

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experience of those who you trust,that that is better to do that,
Like it affects the outcomes, likeyou get better results or or does it
change anything at all? From myexperience, I think so, because you're
putting yourself in a more vulnerable position, you don't have as many distractions,
especially when you're in a house allalone, you know, because a lot

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of times, you know, workingon if we're you know, talking about
working on certain TV shows, It'sit's hard when you have people that haven't
ghost hunted before. Because I noticethis even on like public ghost hunts at
events that I do, that peoplejust move around so much and they don't
realize they're doing it. So whenyou're in a situation alone, that's honestly,

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I prefer that because it opens youup more and you don't have distractions,
and like, you know, alot of people are like, oh,
how do you do that? Aren'tyou scared? I'm just kind of
like, I mean, of course, any anything in the paranormal field is
scared because we don't really know what'sgoing to happen, and we don't really
have answers for everything. So yeah, it gets scary. But like I'm
way more fascinated by it, andI want to put myself in situations so

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that I can have experiences and notbe you know, not running into the
other room. That seems totally crazyto me, just so you know,
because yeah, for me, thewhole ghost thing in general is bewildering to
me. Like I understand wanting tohunt, you know, or to chase
down and try to see giant apemen. To me, that makes perfect
sense for some reason. But tofiddle around with things you can't see,

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that you don't understand, and allthat other stuff, and it's like totally
bewildering to me. And I'm gladyou do it, not putting it,
putting that idea down at all.As you know, Melissa's totally into that,
the whole thing. I'm one hundredpercent behind it. In fact,
I didn't this is something I did. I forgot to mention, you know
how for the museum membership, wedo these two videos, two video documentaries
every single month for our members.I just got on Halloween, I published

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the last one, which is theone I edited together. We did a
ghost hunt here in the in thein the Bigfoot Museum because pretty much every
single one of the employees except forme and the manager Nico, has had
something weird happen, and that includesMelissa. You know, we're coming in
the morning and things are off theshelf and like magnets, like these really
strong magnets that there's no way thatlike are hard to pull off there on

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the ground in the morning, thatsort of stuff. Dave, one of
our employees, saw something or thoughthe saw somebody right behind him. When
he turned he wasn't there. Sofor you know, we for these two
videos every month for our members.We always do big Foot stuff, usually
our field investigations or deep dives intoevidence. But once a year Melissa takes
control and so she says, youknow what, this year, we're doing
a ghost hunt in the museum,and everybody was for it. So I

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got to go on a ghost huntand we didn't get any or I mean
kind I don't know, weird stuffhappened, but it was during that ghost
hunt that it was once again drivenhome to me that I don't know why
people do that, Like, youknow, like why would you just it's
just scary, Like why would youwant to scare yourself that bad? I
mean, I get it. Andto each throne, Melissa loves to be
scared. I totally get it.But to me, it's bewildering, and

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people, I guess will always bebewildering to me. See, I kind
of feel the opposite. I feellike trying to search for a giant creature
that could potentially like trample you.I think that's terrifying. Oh, I
get it. I get it.I mean, I think we're talking about
the same thing. And you know, some people like vanilla, some people
like chocolate. You know, it'sone of those things. I guess at
the end of the day, Ikind of get it. But it's just

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so scary. You know. Melissahas me watch these movies and stuff like
these horror you know, I neverwatched horror movies until I was trying to
court Melissa, and then I didit, and I had all these nightmares
for a long time and I finallygot over it. Now I can watch
these things right. And just theother night we were watching one on Halloween
because it's Halloween season. Heather.I don't if you noticed, but it's
been apparently it's been Halloween seasons sinceJuly fifth, that's when Melissa pronounced it.

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Yeah, she's the best. Iknow you love Melissa too, She's
the best, But I she's socool. I want to be your best.
I wish we lived in the samestate. Oh, she has often
said about said that about you.And by the way, oh, Melissa
approved. Oh yeah, yeah,yeah, definitely definitely, But I forgot
where I was going with that.But nonetheless, it's bewildering to me,
Like Melissa wants to go out andchase ghosts since she's scared to death the

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bigfoots and just vice versa. Forme, it's like I don't want to
mess around with things that you know, Like I see all these movies and
it plants ideas in my head aboutpossession and losing your soul and whatever that
means, and and just horrifying visionsin my head. I can deal with
giant eight men. Do you knowany of the history of the building that
your museum is in? Very verylittle, very very little. Yeah,

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I know only what the county toldme, and they're so convoluted, such
a mess that I you know,you can't believe, but they're saying because
they don't have all the facts.They told me that no business has been
in my building since two thousand andfour, and then yelled at me about
my permits. I say, whatwhat you just told me? No one's
been in here since two thousand andfour? Why are you yelling at me
about my permits? You know,and the address and stuff. But yet

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I can name two or three otherbusinesses that have been in my building since
two thousand and four before I showedup, so they don't know anything.
Was one in mortuary? No,there was a reptile museum, oh rah.
And a bakery. We have reptileghosts, reptile baked goods. Yeah
perhaps, but yeah, reptile Actuallymaybe the reptiles did the baking of the
goods. So have you seen aghost, Heather? I have never seen

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a ghost. I've seen a shadowperson, but I have never seen an
apparition. And I cannot believe itbecause I've been doing this for so long,
and I've feel like I've been inmany situations where it could arise,
but I've never seen one. Butyou want to, I do. Yeah,
So the shadow person. Tell meabout that. So I think I

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was at Where was I? Iwas it? I was at some asylum.
I don't even remember where it was, maybe like upstate New York or
something, but it was down ahallway and it looked as if like some
type of shadow like peaked itself outinto the hallway and then went back into
the doorway. It was. Ithappened super quick. But that's kind of

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that's the that's one of the timesI've seen a shatter person and one of
the first one of the times.Yeah, let me think, everything blurs
together, so I like to tryto give details that let me think of
where the other one was. Ithink it was in a residential home.
We were doing a client case,and it was perhaps in a basement.
But it's always something that happens reallyquick, and you know, I'm always

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like, oh, is it myir light on my camera? But I
think this time I was. Iwas in the dark, and I had
like a small light source, andI saw just like a quick almost as
if something just like walks past youreally quick and then you cut it out
of your peripheral vision. Yeah,that's what happened to Melissa here at the
museum. Yeah, well would youcome out, We'll let you come in

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the museum and poke around. Isaw a shadow person. Yeah, what
was your situation? Way again aroundIt's Bobo story, dude, He's going
to see some things that will blownclassic scene. He's lying and he's going
a kid yill me high clear Onceagain, it's Bubo story. Any description

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of felonious or criminal activity is beingtold here strictly for entertainment purposes, and
is in no way admission of guiltor even true for that matter. I
lived in this house that was likesuper noisy, like dudes living there like
bachelors, seeing like music cranking allthe time, blah blah blah. And
people would stay there so they hearstuff that I never had anything happening like
how over many years I was theretill the day I was moving out,

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and uh, we'd had a lotof burglaries and there was a home invasion
just down the street for the mosta couple weeks before. I had my
shotgun loaded in my house and wewere moving out that day, and had
this big hundred pound pitple that wasa killer great watchdog. He was chilling
in the house with me and uh, it was. It was. It
was like I think the fourth was. Yeah, it was the fourth oldest

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house in Arcada, California, andso you know, it was like one
hundred and thirty years old whatever,and we were I was loading up and
so it had the bathroom was onthe northeast corner, and then southeast corner
was the big kitchen, and thengoing into the kitchen, went into the
dining room and living within on theright side of the houses was three bedrooms
like in a row, going downparallel to the living room. In the

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dining room and the dining room wehad had a big open door with probably
like eight foot yeah, it's probablyabout eight fot wide door. We had
a big quilt over it to keepthe house warm in the front. And
I was sitting there it was liketwo in the afternoon whatever, and just
taking the shelves out of my shotgun, and I just see the blanket lift

(27:59):
up and then it was on thecorner my eye. But I turned my
head as a turn I had tolook. I see this like shadow lift
up the rug and go underneath me, ruing the blanket and go to you
know, flip it up and walkthrough and then the it flapped back down
and went like, you know,pretty dark in there again. I was
like, well, I go ddget him, and so I was chasing.

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I ran out there and my nextraneighbors out there. He was using
our hose to flush his engine onhis outboard on his boat, and he
was right like ten feet from thedoor, and DJ came running out.
I came running out of the shockand I'm like, do you see that
guy? You see that guy cameout here? And he's like I was
centered another no one came out.Then I said, oh man, he
must have went in the bathroom.And I ran back and check the bathroom,

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and then I thought maybe he wentinto the bathroom. Then when I
ran out the door and went hewent back in through the house or so
I went that way and running around, ran out on the street looking like
nothing. There was nobody there,and I was and the guy's like,
what do you look like? AndI'm like, it was just all black
and there was no like distinct featurestud It was just a black shadow.
But it was like lifted up thecurtain and walked through and what do you

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know what shadow? People they normallynot need to do. They couldn't they
just normally walk through a wall orthrough a blanket like that. I have
heard stories, yeah, like sometimesthey come from a wall or like a
solid material. Yeah, I don't, I don't know what. I don't
know. If it's just like adifferent way that a possible spirit materializes,
I don't know. But there's beenconnections too with like UFO cases where people

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see shadow people. Yeah that wasn'tthis case. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot
and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo willbe right back after these messages. So
UFOs and shadow things might be relatedin some way. Yeah. I've definitely

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worked with people who have had experienceswhere some type of like like abduction experien
is where they see some sort ofbeing in their house outside somewhere, and
sometimes it appears as like a shadowand then they have like missing time or
something like that. And yeah,there's a lot of weird stuff with that.

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Now. Now again I'm not versein all this stuff. I'm just
a silly, you know, apeguy. But am I right? Remembering
the word screen memory here is couldit be something like that? Yeah?
Yeah, Yeah, that's definitely athing where people have experiences like that,
and maybe they see. I know, something popular is when people see owls.
I think in a way just fromyou know, having all my experiences

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with working with clients and haunted houses, and then kind of switching over and
working on client cases where people havehad experiences seeing UFOs and then they go
in their house and they have activityhappen that it seems like their house is
all of a sudden haunted, andit all kind of correlates when they have
seen these strange UFOs in the sky, or they had cattle mutilations on their

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property, which are always associated withUFOs. So it's weird. But I've
definitely had people report shadow people intheir house, whether it's after they see
a UFO or maybe after they getabducted or before they get abducted. You
have paid for that, no,Well. I did this series for Travel
Channel called Alien Highway. We traveled, you know, West coast, Midwest

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to areas where there were like UFOflaps of you know, historical activity that
people then you know that the particulararea was known for activity, and then
years decades later it kind of ampsup again. So we would go to
places like that, and I didone case where a client he had an
abduction experience when he was seventeen thathe never really talked to anybody about.

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And he was actually later on inhis life when we met him, he
was like, I think in hisfifties. He lived on the Merrimack River
in Missouri, and he would seehim and his wife would see these lights
and they kind of thought that theywere being targeted by UFOs. They would
see balls of lights above trees,orange lights. They would have activity in

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their house, and we brought ina hypnotherapist to sort of unlock, you
know, his repressed memories with allof this, and it was really weird
to see him go through it becauseit was obviously a very traumatic experience.
He missed two days of time,and he held that story in all of

(32:30):
his life and it was almost asif he was taken back to that time
when he was a teenager and hedescribed, you know, he was walking
on the highway with one of hisfriends and all of a sudden, in
front of them, they were lookingat like on the highway wall, these
these lights just lit up the walland they turned around and then the next
thing they know, they saw thislike craft and then they were in some

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kind of room and they saw thesecreatures that had long heads, long necks,
big eyes, and next thing heknows, he was like in this
chair back to back with his friend, and then he described this being taking
him to the top of this mountainand pointing down at this city and pointing
down to the city lights and saying, these lights are bad. So through

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his therapy session he kind of revealedthis abduction, and then we were kind
of came to the conclusion that likehe was having PTSD from this experience,
and every light he was seeing,whether or not it was someone's house or
it was a street light, orit was like an unexplained light, he
was associating. He was associating itwith that experience he had when he was
young. It's like anist he turnedinto a shadow man in a way,

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and just prefer a guy who shunsthe light. Yeah. Yeah, So
that was really interesting to see.And I thought it was kind of interesting
that the name of the last nameof the hypnotherapist. She'd never had done
any kind of alien session or anything, but her last name was Krueger,
like like Freddy Krueger, and Ijust thought that was kind of interesting.

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I grew up on voar he's havingme m you know what that's from?
Oh, yeah, Friday the thirteenth. Yeah, I claimed the famous that
when we were in high school wasour buddy Chris's sister was Mandy Wiss.
She was the first person killed inthe Nightmare on Elm Street series. She
was the girl that got slammed againstthe wall. And then her she's like

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her, she gets dragged up thewalls, like invisibly. She was topless
and she got draged up to thewall, to the roof ower like her
bed explodes in blood. Is thatthe I think she was like with a
dude in bed. And then yeah, she was with Johnny Depp. Johnny
Depp was in that. Yeah,that was his first movie. Rule I
didn't know that, Okay, yeah. Then she was also a Brad's girlfriend

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in Fast Times at Richmond High andshe goes, I think we should see
other people our senior year. That'sfunny. Oh you know what, No,
I think I was No, I'mwrong. Johnny Depp wasn't Nightmare on
Elm Street, but he wasn't inthe room with her. It was that
other guy. Because I remember thatother guy went to jail because they thought
he did it. Well, yeah, I think I think you're right,
But Johnny Depp was absolutely in.I think that I don't know if this
this first movie or not. I'mgoing to trust you on that one.

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That's cool. So you went,you said you went to high school with
her, her little brother. Ohokay, but we all we all knew
we were like call in love withthere. So so much of it seems
that so much of the paranormal stuff, whether it's ghosts or UFO stuff and
all that jazz, it relies veryvery heavily upon eyewitness testimony. And of

(35:25):
course the Bigfoot thing is also Thisis also true obviously, but I like
to take it a step further inBigfoot, and I really prefer to focus
on physical evidence of any sort.So I'm curious over the many years and
probably hundreds and hundreds of investigations Iassume that you've looked into and what sort
of physical evidence, if any,And maybe there's none, but I assume

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there has to be some that haveyou seen either for some some sort of
ghosty sort of thing or perhaps aUFO E sort of thing. And I
don't know what that physical evidence mightlook like. It's an honest question,
and I'm curious about what sort ofphysical stuff have you run across. Well,
when it comes to physical like audiblestuff, being locked in a location

(36:09):
with one other person and hearing thesounds of footsteps above you and it sounds
so real that you think someone brokeinto the house. That's happened to me
several times to where you you feelthis. One location I was at,
I was sitting on the floor.It was an old nursing home called Malvern

(36:30):
Manner, and I was sitting onthe floor and the floor was carpeted,
and I felt the sensation of someonewalking around me to where I could see
and hear the carpet like like almostmoving. It felt so real that I
thought someone was like walking around me. Other than that, I'd say i've

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I've I've heard some pretty good EVPsto where it's it's an intelligent response to
a to a very specific question.For example, one time I was at
this really tiny jail in Texas somewhere, and I was in one of the
cells and I had asked the question, you know, I was just like,
oh, what did you do?And hear in your spare time,

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like what were some of the thingsyou did, and you hear this clear
voice, like a male's voice,say twice it said sleep sleep, And
there was like no like it wasn'tus trying to like make something out of
nothing or find meaning and a noise. It was like no one was moving.
There were three of us sitting ata table and it was a direct

(37:35):
response and it said sleep sleep.And I have a recording of that somewhere
online. But those are a couplethings. If that answers your question,
I know that there's more. Ijust have to really think. So you've
had these personal experiences and a fewthings recorded. I remember one time back
in the day when I first metlike you know, Greg and Dana Newkirk,

(37:57):
for example, they did an episodeof Finding Bigfoot with it and I
was saying, what's our paranormal blahblah blah, and they said, I
don't know, and they're being reallycool to me, even though I was
so stubborn about it, and Istill am but uh And I said,
well, of ghost only footprints andthey said, well, actually, And
then they started telling me about thesecases that they investigated were ghost left footprints,
And it sounds like this may havebeen one of those because of the

(38:19):
pressure on the carpet, would yousay it falls in line with that sort
of thought. Yeah, I meanthere there were no markings, but I
could see the carpet kind of moving. It just felt so real, and
I mean, no one was thatclose to me that it would have been
like that. And another experience relatingto footsteps, which is such a very
common thing like happens like residually.But I was at Penhurst Asylum in right

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outside of Philadelphia, and one ofthe buildings called the Mayflower Building. It's
where a lot of First of all, the people that were that were at
Penhurst were just people that were kindof reject from society. Maybe they had
a mental disability and their family didn'twant them anymore, and so they put
them at this this state hospital.And it was really sad. People were

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neglected overcrowding. And one of thespecific areas where people were just shoved in
a room and it was so overcrowdedwas in the Mayflower Building and there were
these like little kind of office corridorswhere they would put you know, all
the patients. And I remember Iwas I was doing an episode of Portals
to Hell. I'm sorry, Inever heard of that show. But that's

(39:27):
a great name. Yeah, it'skind of a feel good thing, right,
Yeah, yeah, Jack Osborne.And then my friend Katrina was on
it, and I was on anepisode where they only needed me for like
part of it. So I waslike, Okay, I'm going to go
into the Mayflower building because no one'sin there, and I'm just going to
kind of walk around and see whathappens. And I was upstairs and I
was just like trying to have aconversation, just trying to say something to

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get a response. And I wasstanding there and I heard and this,
this is this multiple times. Thishas happened to me at this location.
But the floors are concrete, andit sounds like someone was shuffling their feet
and walking towards you, and thenstopping and then shuffling their feet and walking
towards you, and you just havethis overwhelming feeling that something is with you.

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And that's happened to me and tomultiple other people several times. But
that's a really scary feeling because itfelt like there was something in there and
there was no explanation as to whatwas shuffling across the floor, no animals.
It was like someone was wearing solidshoes, and they were like hesitant.
They were like shuffling towards me,and then they would stop and then
shuffle towards me. And then thatactually really frightened me, and I was

(40:34):
like, okay, I'm leaving andI just walked out of building. Sounds
absolutely horrifying. Yeah, what ifthey didn't we what do you think it
would happen? I don't know.A part of me should have just stayed,
but there's something super eerie about it. I just did not feel right.
I know exactly. I was justsaying that earlier, so it doesn't
make sense, but for some reasonit really irked me, and I just

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I just was like, okay,I'm gonna go now, thank you,
and I just walked up. Youknow, I've spoken to a lot of
people about the Bigfoot thing, andyou know, or told stories about things
that have happened to me, andpeople say, oh, I would have
done this, or if this happensto me, I would do this,
And back in the day, Iwas guilty of that as well. You
know, but nobody knows what you'rereally going to do until you're actually in

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that situation. So like, okay, either you're a talented and experienced a
paranormal investigator. That happened, youleft, and you're saying, why did
I leave? I don't know.You just never know what you're going to
do. And I'm sure there's asituation where I'm out there, this has
happened. I had a sasquatch nearme, and I had a camera in
my hand. Now this is mindyou back in ninety nine or two thousand

(41:39):
or something, a long time ago. But like, I left because I
was scared the hell out of me. Basically, you know, I scared
the hell out of me, andeven though I was there for that purpose,
just you just never know what you'regoing to do until it happens to
you. So anybody out there isI would have done this. That's cute.
You keep thinking that. You keepthinking that until it happens to you,
and then you tell me what youactually did. It just felt so

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real. It was just oh,I can still picture myself there. It's
so real. Stay tuned for moreBigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
We'll be right back after these messages. So you've looked into these shadow things

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like ghosts and spirit and like,have you ever worried about. Melissa talks
about this, and only reason Iknow about it about something. What does
she say, attaching to you andthen you bringing at home? Has that
ever happened? It's actually never happenedto me, but it's happened to other
people I've worked with in the bar. Yeah, I situations. In the

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early days of Paranormal State, Iremember doing really serious cases and then some
of our cast members they all livedin a house together. I didn't,
I lived elsewhere. But after realserious cases, they would all have experiences
and it would seem like would followthem. But I've never had that happen.
I think there was one case wheresomething happened in my hotel room,

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but I mean, I don't know, maybe the room was haunted or I
don't know if it would pertain tothe case. But I've never had anything
follow me. So that's good,and I hope it stays that way.
Yeah, that's one of the thingsthat scares me the most about being even
tangentially involved in any of this issomething following me home a bigfoot. Again.
I don't mind have them followed meback. I don't care. I

(43:29):
live in the Great habitat, butas far as like the ghost stuff or
I mean, and also here's anotherthing people throw around, the word demon.
It's like, why in the worldare you messing with things that are
even suggested to be demons whatever thatmeans, Like why do you go down
those roads as well? Or isthere just no dividing line as far as
things that are spooking you can't see. So in the early days of Paranormal

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State, we were one of theshow, the earlier shows that went down
that road, and because you know, we worked with clients, we would
get hundreds of emails from people who, you know, they were terrified to
sleep in their home and some ofit was some of it, I believe
was them manifesting things to happen.Maybe they were going through like a stressful
time and they were causing objects tomove. That's definitely happened. But we

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did deal with I was on acouple cases where we were dealing with people
that maybe in the past they hadunresolved trauma which left them vulnerable and maybe
they never closed the doors to something. And we had a little lea some
cases like that that were kind ofscary. But I was maybe only on

(44:37):
like two or three but it's definitelyfeels like a different vibe. I did
on one specific one. I rememberwe worked with Lorraine Warren a lot,
and I remember her giving this clienta holy object and he reacted in like
a very negative way, and thatwas one of the first things I saw
where I was like, oh,like you could tell his eyes were like

(44:59):
changing. All I can say isyou had to be there, which is
so dumb to say. But wedefinitely did some serious cases in our early
days. But I don't really dealwith that anymore. I don't really take
on many client cases anymore. Butdid you ever feel like low self esteem
because you didn't get something follow youhome? Did you ever feel like,

(45:21):
like, what's wrong with me?No? I never thought about that.
But I don't know. Maybe I'mtoo positive or something, or maybe somehow
I'm protected. I have no idea. You are a very positive person,
you radiate it, so maybe thathas something to do with it. Yeah,
that's kind of the only thing unlessthey're just like, she's too weird,
We're not going to follow her,you know. So from doing these

(45:45):
paranormal conventions whatever cryptid and paranormal conventions, the one person who impressed me the
most, so I could tell likewas like, I mean, she seen
has some real insights and really sawdead people and all that was Amy Brune.
Have you been out with her?You know, I've never worked with
her, but I've chatted with herat events. I'd love to work with
her. Yeah, she impressed me. Yeah, I think she. I

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think she. I actually read herbook and I remember her experience that kind
of got her into all this wasreally interesting pertending to I think how she
grew up in ye Johnny L.Tenney, Oh, I said, he
goes, Yeah, she's the mostimpressive one out of the thousand paranormalists he's
been out in the field. Hesaid, she impresses him the most.

(46:29):
He said that she's absolutely he said, She's one of four people he could
say absolutely for sure is experiencing thisstuff as she says she is. Yeah,
I believe it. Well, youknow with that, why don't we
close this session down. We'll hopover to the member section because I have
a whole bunch of questions I wantto ask you. You've been on a
bunch of TV shows. I wantto know your general thoughts on paranormal TV,

(46:49):
if it's a good thing or badthing, what direction it's going,
what it's like to work on theseshows, because we have our own thoughts
on that we want to share withyou. And then I want to know
such burning questions. As you know, I have some questions about roller skating,
and frankly, this whole language barrierthat I experienced with my wife,
her being from Pittsburgh and me notbeing from Pittsburgh. I don't know what
the hell she's talking about. Sometimesthat's the word she's using. So I've
got some questions about that too.You can help me with my marriage and

(47:12):
help the communication we have between us. So if you can stick around for
a member section, we really loveit. But before we go, you
have a gig on Wednesday. Tellus about the gig on Wednesday and how
people can go see you. Novemberninth through the twelfth, I'm going to
an event in Virginia City, Nevadacalled Calm Con six. If anyone has
it been to Virginia City, Nevada, it's one of the coolest places ever.

(47:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'vebeen there. Yeah, it's super
cool. And I'm doing an eventthere with a group called Soul Circle Paranormal
like Aaron Saeger's is going to betheir shape. Oh he's been on the
show. He's a great guy.Yeah, so it's it's going to be
really fun. I'm looking forward tothat fantastic. How do they get information
on that? There's a link onmy website for it and on my social

(47:55):
media as well. But if yougo to Soul Circle Paranormal dot com and
go to their events tab, ithas all the information for tickets there.
All right, So those links aregoing to be in the show notes here
and you can look down below.If you're listening to this on YouTube and
for any more information about these eventsor Heather in general, you go to
Heathertatty dot com. That's Ta dd Y is the last name, Heathertatty

(48:16):
dot com. Heather, thank youso much for taking some time for us.
We really appreciate it. Thanks Heather. Yeah, no problem, Bubbo,
take us out of here and we'llhop over to the members section.
All right, folks, thank youHeather Taddy for showing up and lightening us
on the paranol and we're going tohear some more right now if you go
to the Patreon section. But untilthen, for the rest of y'all,

(48:38):
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