Ep. 236 - Chester Moore

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Fay, Hey Bobs, how youdoing today? Man? Good Cliff,
things are generally good. I gotout to the woods a little bit this
week. Didn't find anything, ofcourse, you know, just but I
had to go. I had togo to the woods, man, it's
just good for your soul. Iwent to three or four of my favorite
spots in one day. It wasa long, long day. Man drove
all the way down the clack Missalmost all the way to Big Bottom.

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There's a great spot out there.It's not just a spinal tap song.
It's actually a location down there calledBig Bottom. Were you pulling cards?
No, no, no, nocards or anything like that. Just want
to go walk around? You knowa few of my favorite spots. Got
the Secret Swamp going down there,a few other locations. So but I
didn't find anything. But you knowwhat I did find that I thought was
interesting. And now mind you,it has been dumping rain dumping and dumping

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rain like that atmospheric river or whateverfancy term they're calling it nowadays, has
been just going wild, right,But despite of that, I found our
own footprints from May and June,you know, and there it was a
super saturated soil. Yeah, andyou know, it took me a little
while, like I found, Ifound one possible thing, because there's a

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swamp down there that I found juveniletracks in, and I also obtained a
juvenile sasquatch handprint from very very closeto there, Like it's certainly the same
animal, certainly undoubtedly the same animal, like one hundred yards apart, and
the trackway was going to the placewhere the juvenile handprint was discovered. And
by the way, I think,correct me if I'm wrong, and maybe
listeners can to help me out withthis too. I believe this is the

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only juvenile sasquatch handprint on record.I could be wrong about that though,
but that's what I believe at thispoint. I would love to know about
another one. So if you,if in your listeners, if you happen
to know about another juvenile sasquatch handprint, I would love to know about it.
But anyway, yeah, so Iwas down and there and poking around,
and I found one thing that maybewas a footprint, and I was
looking at it and I said,I don't know about that. It could

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just be a double stepping, likesome sort of composite as we call them,
where more than one impression of somethingelse makes it look like a larger
impression, you know, but nearbythat, I said, well it is.
And I started looking at that.Oh this is about ten inches long.
This isn't And it took me.I had to look at a couple
of different impressions, and I finallyfigured out, oh, yeah, these
are hours. This is left overfrom May and June when I was here.

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So I thought that was really interestinghow long footprints like that can last.
And the soil was super saturated.This was probably a foot and a
half from the creek, so thesoil was muddy and super saturated. And
I was very impressed. And it'sjust another thing I got to take a
note on. It was very,very impressed at the longevity of our own

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footprints when they're deep, and thesesunk in probably four to six inches at
the time, and they're still there. They're still there. They're not real
clear, but they were clearly thatmy own footprints are Nico's footprints. I'm
not sure who's, but I thoughtthat was interesting. It's not directly Sasquatch
related, but I think it isa valuable information for people like myself who
are out there looking for footprints inthe ground to try to remember it's like,

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well, you know, other thingscould be there. You know,
you have to kind of think aboutwho's been there recently, and also who's
been there five months ago, threeminles. What is it's November now,
So June, July, August,September, October, November, five months
have passed, four or five monthshave passed, and my footprints are still
visible there. I love going tothe same places over and over to see
how like how long it takes somethingto degree, because it just gives you

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more info from when you're out tracking, you know, a similar situation you're
looking at, Well, how doyou think those are you doing? It's
like they got just more things youcan draw on. Yeah, that's about
it. Looking forward to CRYPTIDCN nextweekend, by the way, Yeah,
the preepy people management stuff, Alot of good people are going to be
there. It's it's going to bea fun, fun job. Melissa's coming
out with me, so that's goingto be a lot of fun as well.

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Got a great house sitter for Sochi, so I'm excited about that as
well. But yeah, look lookingforward to doing that, seeing some old
friends and all that sort of stuff. I spoke to Tom Shaye for a
while today. There's always interesting thingsgoing on in Tom Shay's environment. But
he's going to bring a thing ortwo to help me with some work.
I'm doing some a footprint that I'mkind of look. I'm looking next year,

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I'm going to revamp my presentation.I think I'm going to be doing
something on hand casts because there's beena four or five years since I've done
something on that. There's a lotof new information going on with hands,
so I'd like to focus on handsfor next year. So Tom Shay is
going to help me out with acouple of things that he's going to bring
from his collection anyway, So that'swhat's going on. Man. I'm just
kind of rambling about bigfoot stuff,but that's what I do. But enough
about me, man, what's up. I'm just excited about the guests we

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got coming on today. I knowthis is going to be a good one,
because this is this guy. Man. I've had the pleasure of meeting
Chester several times now. I don'tknow, I don't think I know him
well enough. We haven't interacted enoughto say like we're friends when we hang
out, but like, he's great. I love the guy. Every time
I talk to him, I learnedsome cool stuff. But the thing here
with me which makes me excited abouthaving Chester on is that I've heard about

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Chester for years and years and yearsand years long before I met him.
You know, he is kind ofthis this like this mainstay in cryptozoology in
general, and it is absolutely apleasure to be able to have him on
finally. I don't know why wedidn't think of it this sooner. Honestly,
he's a naturalist. I mean hewrote for like hunting magazines, outdoor
magazines. He's like a real naturalist. He knows what he's talking about,

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Like he really knows how it averydown in Texas where he's from. I
mean, he's good, dudes,smart, he's you know, he's got
good ethics, good morals and smart, you know, so he knows what
he's doing, he knows what he'slooking at and he can explain it.
Yeah, so with that, Ithink we should just bring him on.
Man, ladies and gentlemen, meetChester more longtime cryptosologists and all around rad

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dude, finally making this a hearands on Bigfoot and beyond. Chester.
Thanks so much for coming on theshow with us. Greetings from the mosquito
infested swamps of southeast Texas. It'san honor and privilege and beyond with you
guys, all right, you know, honor and privilege is all ours,
my friend. Thank you so muchfor making some time for us. And
I'd be fun to talk with youguys much less get out there and you
know, be able to communicate withthe people listening to the program and all

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of our shared collective love all thingswild and mysterious. Yeah, absolutely so.
Ye mean you you are like thisrenaissance man of cryptozoology, because you
know, there's a few other peoplein the field that kind of represent what
you do, but in a differentway. Like I'd say, Lauren Coleman
is probably up there because he hassuch a huge, varied interest in various

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critters all over the world. Youknow, Ken Gerhart comes to mind because
he's a generalist. Boys, Texas. Yeah, exactly, and you are
one of these because you have yourfingers in everything pretty much. I mean,
Bigfoot is just one little sliver ofthe pie that you serve yourself every
single day. Is there anything thatyou're you're not interested in? I don't
know, man, you know,it's just I love nature. I mean,

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I think I came out of thewomb of nature fanatic, grew up
hunting and fishing and learning about conservationand watching like Mutual Omaha's Wild Kingdom and
Jacques Cousteau specials, and you know, at that time, the Patterson Gimlin
stuff was everywhere in the seventies onshows, and saw our Argacy magazine,

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and then I saw the legend ofBoggie Creek when I was six, and
that kind of just set the ideathat there are mysteries in nature. And
then, of course, growing upin the South, you can't help but
hear about black panthers and giant catfishbelow dams and all kinds of stuff.
And pursuing a wildlife journalism career,which I've been blessed to be doing since
I was nineteen, writing about youknow, quote unquote mainstream wildlife stuff.

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Then to me, like looking intothe mysteries was just a natural thing because
you go to a hunting camp,these topics pop up and it's it's just
a natural extension what I do.And I'm so dang cureusius guys. Well,
I think that's one of the commonalitiesof all bigfooters for the most part,
is that we have this undying curiosityabout this thing, you know,

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and sometimes it's focused on one animal. Sometimes it's like you you're a generalist
all sorts of unknown mysteries, becauseto engage in nature is really literally to
engage in the mystery, no doubtabout it. So do you remember your
first cryptid hunt? So to speak? I know, I know that I
don't want to only focus on cryptidsin this conversation, of course, but
you know, our audience is largelybigfooters and all that sort of stuff,

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so we'll start there. Yeah,there's lots of normal animals around, but
like, and I'm sure a lotof these other cryptids are normal animals as
well. But do you remember thefirst time that you took a cryptid seriously
enough to actually mount some sort ofexpedition. It doesn't have to be professional
level or anything. To go lookfor evidence or perhaps citing of those animals.

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Yeah, I mean it's something that'sbeen proven to sort of be back
out in the wild, and thatis the red wolf here in southeast Texas
and southwest Louisiana, to cleared extinctin the wild in nineteen eighty only lived
in zoos in a little population theyrestocked from fourteen animals they captured over in
like North Carolina. But people keptseeing them. And my first ever published

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story was an investigation I did ofa red wolf sighting and I saw myself.
I saw and I wrote Texas Parksand Wildlife when I was a junior
in high school about this sighting,and a very kind biologist normally they blow
you off about stuff like that peoplebut said there were probably animals still with
some red wolf DNA. The problemwas hybridizing with coyotes. And the first

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thing I ever did like that wasred wolves. And then I got to
break the story in twenty eighteen whenthey found there was red wolf DNA still
existing here, So that was likecoming full circle on that one. We
heard the red wolves when we werein Louisiana. That's what they told us
they were. They're definitely still wolf. The funny thing is they call them
now, some of the biologists callthem non coyote canids. And I remember

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running a picture of when I goton a trail cam in a newspaper when
I wrote for newspapers and running andthey said, oh, it's a biologist's
emails that possibly there's no way that'sa red wolf. It's got to be
a coyote because it has coyote bloodin it. And my reply was,
if it can't be a red wolfbecause it has coyote blood, how could
it be a coyote that has redwolf blood? And that's kind of the

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struggle you always have as some ofthe official while well, that was the
first thing that would be on themysterious side of that. And then like
in nineteen ninety nine, my cousinshad an encounter with something they thought was
a mountain lion in East Texas,giving this crazy vocalization and scared him to
death. And I went out inthe woods with them, and that was

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probably the first thing that I coulddo to be tied into Bigfoot. How
So, so I go out therewith him the next night and my one
cousin's you know, like a livewire man. He's always you know,
he's real keyed up, and theother guys very calm, and the calm
one. I shine this light downin this creek butt and I'm about to
say I think there's a deer downthere. I saw like eyes shining,

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and he just takes a Ruger tentwenty two of the thirty round clip and
just fires it, and he's goingcrazy, and I'm like, dude,
what are you doing? He goesafter what we heard last night, I
know, a human's eyes don't glow. Everything else is getting shot, and
I'm like, he had a realencounter with something. And then did I
don't make any noise he shot at? Did he hit anything? He was

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just going crazy. It was likehis Ramble moment. He was genuinely freaked
out because of the vocalization. Butdial this back to me. That was
nineteen ninety nine. Let's go backto nineteen eighty four when I was like
ten, Me and my dad andmy uncle and aunt were rabbit hunting on
the same property and this thing growledat us for like five minutes. And
my uncle, who was a marinesixty eight sixty nine of my dad both

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vets, both armed with twelve ages, got out of dodge and I remember
asking Daddy what was that. Hegoes on, Uncle Bill's bulls must have
been hung up in the fence,and I said, let's go help it.
And I'm trying to my dad andthen he said it must be a
bear, because sometimes bears would comeback into East Texas from Louisiana. And
then me and him later on hadthe same kind of vocalization. And the

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closest thing I can tell you thisis the Sierra Sounds very close to some
of the Sierra Sound stuff, andthat's basically what my cousins heard. And
then that kind of went into someearly research that I did out there in
Newton County, Texas and stuff likethat. So it just it just kind
of started talking to people. Theystarted talking about footprints, they started talking
about sightings and stuff. So thatall kind of began right there with that

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report. Very interesting so is thatthat location has a long history of encounters
as well. Well. What weheard, I don't know. I can't
say what I heard because I didn'tsee it making the vocalization, but some
of the sounds on the Sierra Soundswere that noise there not the chatter stuff
here, but like the guttural stuff, it was definitely the same kind of

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tone. And when I played himthat later on, they said that's what
they heard as well, and thatwas just an area that's had a you
know, as I come to findout, a ton of activity over the
years. But you know, bigfootis a word you used at the time,
mainly in the Pacific Northwest. Andyou said bigfoot to people. They
kind of looked at you, andI said, you ever see anything weird?

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And I remember a guy saying,I don't know about no bigfoot,
but one of my buddies saw abooger down by the Sabine River. And
so what did this booger look like? Well, he had some coyotes had
become up to his garbage can atnight, and he went out there for
the twenty two and one night toshoot the coyotes and this thing stand up
about seven foot tall behind the garbagecan. It runs off down toward the
river. Because that was a booger. So you know. Then, of
course, the media Bigfoot's now knownto be all around the country reports of

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them so sometimes and back in theday it was almost like just ask people
if you see anything strange that kindof stuff. Yeah, especially not in
the Pacidic Northwest. Yeah, ifyou're on the Pacific Northwest, saying hear
anything weird? Do you ever seeanything weird? You ever hear you know?
Like that comes off a lot betterthan have you seen Bigfoot? Yeah?

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Yeah? Yeah, And people talk, So that was that was an
interesting learning curve for me, justtalking to people and saying, hey,
seeing things strange, anything weird,anything unusual, And a lot of times
they would have her story and itwas often pretty compelling stuff. Stay tuned
for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliffand Bogo. We'll be right back after

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these messages. Now, is thathow you get most of the leads on
various things to follow up on?Is just talking to people? Or do
you do you look for like printedaccounts or how do you go about choosing
either it could be a Bigfoot thingor could be you know, ivor rebuild
wood woodpecker. It doesn't matter,like, how do you get the leads

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or is there so such a varietyof ways that you can't even narrow one
down. It's a great question,Like I really don't do sasquatch research anymore.
My only sasquatch stuff of do anymoreis taking kids facing special challenges on
like terminal illness on expeditions. That'skind of my sasquatch stuff I do now.
But the other stuff, and goingback to when I first started,

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was I would often just put somethingout in the media. You know,
that would be my starting point,because you know, if I have a
chance to be published in front ofone hundred thousand people or whatever and say,
hey, you know, any reportsof X, Y and Z or
whatever that would help. Now youdo that, you get a lot of
game camera photos and videos, whichis wonderful. I've been doing a lot
of that with cat stuff lately.And I would also look at a lot

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of stuff. Used to go backto the library a lot and look at
old books and look at old microfilmand stuff like that, and just try
to find historical database of like youknow, in patterns. I'm a journalist,
so I look for patterns. Youknow. I would see, like,
you know, there's this weird reportover here, there's this history of
these large cats being seen a certainear that not supposed to be. That's
usually a pretty good spot to gointo. And then you start interviewing people.

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I really like the one on onepart of sitting down with someone interviewing
them. You know, that reallyhelps a lot. And so it's you
know, it's all of the abovepretty much. But now a lot of
the stuff comes to me, sowell, I get more stuff than I
can handle sometimes to look into,you know, because people know I do
this stuff, and I'm in alot of different publications and podcasts, so
I get a lot of just reportsof different stuffs into me, which is

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great. What's your favorite thing tolook into? At this point, I'm
really into the cat stuff, likebecause of some kind of discoveries that I've
made in this regard. You know, the black panther phenomenon in America is
really intriguing. And what's interesting aboutit, of course, you know the
black cat people see in a televisionshow or a zoo or either melanistic jaguars

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or melanistic leopards or usually leopards,and of course jaguars are native originally into
the US, but you know,there's very few that come across the border.
But people see these black cats everywhere, and that's an interesting one.
But also people about five years ago, I would get reports people thinking they
saw ocelots and servals and margays andstuff like in Oklahoma, Arkansas and places

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like that. And it really openedup sort of Pandora's box to like what
was really going on out there inthis cat industry because I kind of discovered
a few things that like made perfectsense, but it was hard to get
to that point that makes any sense, you know. Well, so like,
for example, what like what wasso shocking and that you it took
a while for you to come upupon. Well, I'll give you a

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prime example. You know, Iwas getting quite a few people saying they
saw a cat that looked like anocelot, And an ocelot is native to
the southern portion stream southern Texas,but there's only a handful there, very
common in parts of Mexico, Belizeand stuff like that. And people would
also use the word serval or somekind of large spotting cat with a long

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tail, and there was a lotof reports. Well, four or five
years ago, I started getting youknow, cell phone pictures, which usually
aren't that good, but game camphotos are, and I got one from
San Patricio, Texas, and Ilooked at this particular shot and my first
thought was, this is about onehundred miles north of no Oscalot range and
they're not known to be a migratorycat. And I went, man,

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that looks like an oscalot. ThenI sort of cropping and zooming in and
went, that's a Bengal cat.What a Bengal cat? So I have
three bingle cats about fifty yards fromme at our facility here the Kingdom's Wildlife
Center. They are a registerable domesticcat that were originally hybridized with an Asian
leopard cat. An Asian leopard catbasically is an osalot from like Oceania,

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okay, And they're beautiful cats.They're about the size of a bobcat or
an osalot. But they bred theminto a domestic tabi cat, and they
made a domestic hybrid that has alot of different kind of patterns, but
a lot of them have the patternlike an ocelot or an Asian leopard cat.
People wouldn't know the difference they sawthem. And there are tens of

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thousands of these in America and alot of them are going feral now and
they survive really well because they havea little more wild ends thincts. I
have purity and purity we've had forseven years. And she is a little
for a Bengal. She's small,and she's what they call a snow leopard
pattern. She has basically the ocelotlooking pattern, but she's white and gray.
It has blue eyes, and shecan probably get her back feet about

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seven feet in the air. Imean very agile animals and people. They
look like a wildcat, and sopeople these things are getting feral and going
on out there, and people areseeing a lot of stuff there. They're
right, that's not normally supposed tobe there, but they're seeing some of
these domestic and designer cats done feral. Is there a name for that?
I mean, cryptosology is a studyedby known animals having discovered Is there a

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name for the study or looking atlooking at the mysteries of animals that are
known or domesticated and then escaped.Well, you know what, I coined
the phrase about twenty years ago.I just started using it like my own
writings and stuff. Known cryptids.In other words, it's something that we
know there, it's just not supposedto be where it's at, you know,

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or you know that that kind ofthing, And this is a prime
example, and it's integrating into thewild, and there's wild populations. There's
also one we're starting to see now, and that is the Savannah cat,
which was hybridized with a beautiful catcalled an African serval. And there are
some f one hybrids out there thatare fifty percent served to look almost one
hundred percent served. They're very harderto sing, there's the difference, and

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they can. They're very agile.They're pretty tall cats. And this stuff
is running around the wilds of Americaeverywhere. And you know, one of
my things, guys, is alwayshated it when someone is very sincere calls
a fishing game department or calls agame warden or something and they give a
genuine reporter seeing something like a mountainlion and an area not supposed to be

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and they get made fun of,right, And I like to let I
like to put information out there tolet people know, Hey, I'm not
gonna make funny for what you report. Let's look at what's really going on
out there. Not everyone is awildlife expert, you know, Yeah,
but you actually know a lot aboutit this stuff, and you've been around
these animals because you're employed. Youhave a lot of experience, of course,

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over all these years, and Ithink that's one of the biggest hurdle
hurdles, especially you know, longbefore safe Finding Bigfoot or something like that,
people thought they'd be laughed at forreporting a sasquatch sighting. So many
of them kind of clammed up.And it still happens today, of course,
But people who see things that areunexpected in places where things should not
be oftentimes don't share that story.It's kind of locally known only, I

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suppose. Yeah, it kind oflike, you know, it's like a
shame thing really comes down on peopleand they don't want to share it or
maybe for their profession's sake or whatever'sgoing on, you know, And it's
like the black panther reports. Iknow, people have been berated for reporting
that, and that's that's the onethat really gets people's attention. There's a
lot of controversy over it, youknow, and that's one I think probably

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has like three to four answers forwhat the phenomenon is. Well, you
know, every Bobo and I haveboth seen those, and I can say
with confidence that the one that Isaw was a melanistic mountain lion. That's
really crazy because there's never been oneobserved, never one born in captivity brought
to a taxidermis. So that's that'sa really interesting thing to you know,

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to be part of that phenomenon.And that's part of you know, my
four or five answers is that thepossibility of melanisteques. Was it in Pacific
Northwest? No, it's an Illinoisactually, yeah. And then the reason
I say with confidence it was ait was a mountain line. And of
course yeah, I'm I'm I cansay it with confidence and still be wrong,
by the way, whatever that's worth. I don't care about being wrong.
But hill it was. I thoughtit was a German shepherd at first,

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like one of those dark gray Germanshepherds, but it had a black
cap on its tail, like amountain lion does, and it also had
black tips on its ears, andthen I thought it was black. But
when I saw those those markings,I realized that it was a dark,
dark, charcoal gray. Yeah,and that makes perfect sense. Like h

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in captive populations, I've seen somethat were almost chocolate color, you know,
like real chocolate, like the JaguarRundy, which is a cat I
believe was responsible for some of theblack panther sightings. They are not really
black, but they're real dark gray, and if you don't have it in
the right light, they look solidblack. You see them in sunlight,
they kind of look more like they'relike a slate colored gray. You know.

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Oh, maybe that's what I sawthen. But it was quite large.
It is larger than a a likea big german shepherd, Like I
said, definitely, if you anythingbigger than german shepherd, I mean that's
that would definitely be more into likeyou're you know, either like a melanistic
cougar or potentially a melanistic jaguar,but which is crazy into its own thing
to talk about that. And butyou know, a lot of these people

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are sending photos of Almost all theones I've seen are domestic house cats.
I saw a black mountain lion innorthern California, like broad daylight, just
trot across the road, dirt road, just trying to right right across.
And it was I know exactly whatjaguars and leopards look like a mountain.
I've seen tons of mountain lions anddo this thing was not a jaguar or

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not it was a mountain lion,just the whole bill to tail everything.
Well, I'm hoping someone gets oneof these on a really good trail cam.
There's a white one captured on trailcam in Brazil which was amazing,
have blue eyes. And there waswhite ones born in the zoo in Belgium
as well, which was really cool. There's a picture was floating around for

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a long time from Costa Rica backin the fifties of a really black and
white, really really dark at leasta very dark brown one. And so
it's interesting, you know, there'sall these different things and people are seeing
something and I think with the blackpanther thing, I think people are seeing
but I actually think there's potential forsome of these feral cat populations to be

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producing gigantic feral cats, like notcougar size, but you know, thirty
forty pound cats. There's some evidenceof that in feral cats in Australia that
they're getting really big in the wild. Did they found did they find one
that was like seventy two pounds orsomething? They found some really I don't
have the dead in front of it. They were like they were like hues

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bigger than a lynks size, youknow, like big yeah, yeah,
but the big long tailed faral cats. And I have a few photos that
in my collection of black cats fromTexas that you look at him, that
is a faral basically a faral cat, but there's a way longer tail than
normal and a different build and abig, stocky build. I got one

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of my own game camp right infront of a little hog trap I had
set out. Wasn't expecting it.But so there's a lot of weird stuff
out there. And that's why thecat thing is so intriguing to me,
because there's so many things. Andyou guys have two incredible reports to potentially
black mountain lions. And then Ihave a friend of mine who goes exploring

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caves in Texas and before he getsto some of these caves, he takes
it's on top of the cave andtakes a rock and throws it in because
there's so many faral hogs. Now, he doesn't want to go into a
tight quarter with a faral hog.Right, he threw a rock inside one
of these he's and he used towork at a cat sanctuary, and this
huge black cat came out grunting areal guttural grunt that a jaguar does when

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it ran out and it was solidblack. So there's like stuff like that
out there too. So to me, that's always been an intriguing one because
it seems to be, like yousaid, at Illinois, Cliff, and
then Bobo, you had California.I got stuff in Texas and Louisiana.
So it's kind of like everywhere.Kind of like the Bigfoot thing, it's
everywhere. There's a lot of differentanswers maybe to what people are seeing.
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyondwith Cliff and Bogo will be right back

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after these messages. But you know, one of the things that I think,
I read here's and here's and yearsago that you were looking into and
I said, and wow, that'sreally cool, and it's also a little
scary to me. But then again, I'm kind of scared of weird things.
Like the giant ape man thing doesn'tbother me at all, but other

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things scare me for some reason.And one of the things that I heard
you were doing, and I don'tknow if I've ever spoken to you about
this or not, you were divingto go look for giant catfish weren't you.
Yes, And that has been athat was a fun project. It
was about a two to three yearinvestigation that I conducted. It was from
like two thousand and three to liketwo thousand and six, sometimes somewhere in
there. And what could happened wasfor years I would hear, since I

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was a little kid, here reportsof like, you know, the divers
don't want to go below Toledo BenDam because they were down there working on
the dam and these catfish the sizeof a Volkswagen came up and they were
terrified, and it was you wouldhear these all the time. Yeah,
that's scares the hell out of me. Did you ever hear it firsthand though,
from something that actually was a diverthere? No, No. I
asked and I asked and I asked, and I've never gotten the first hand

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report. But what was interesting,this is the interesting part, is when
I made me decide to do it, was the world record catfish was caught
in two thousand and five in textat Lake Texolma on the Texas Oklahoma border.
And it was caught in the winterand it was weighed one hundred and
thirty pounds. It was a bluecat well what about the six hundred pounders

(28:03):
of Vietnam. I'm going to tellyou about some one hundred and fifty two
hundred pounders in Spain in a minute. But this was the biggest nome catfish
in America and they kept it live. They wrapped it in the tarka in
the winter, and it stayed alive, and they kept it in this aquarium
for two years. I got togo dive with it, and I talked
them into letting me go dive withit and having a photographer on the outside

(28:27):
and me with my camera on theinside to get perspective of what seeing.
The largest nome catfish in America wassitting in front of me. Now,
now, before you go on,I want to try to picture this because
you said the weight, what'd yousay? One hundred and pounds, hundred
thirty pounds about six feet long.Yeah, that's why I want to get
to like how big is one hundredand thirty pound catfish? It was about

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probably five and a half six feetlong, was really fat, huge,
bigger round catfish. And they gaveme some rainbow trout and koi in a
little bag to feed it. Becausethe divers are trying to start feeding,
and I got to eat that catfishto get out of my hand twice.
Got a great photo. And Igot this idea because when I was down
there, I was trying to keepa rational perspective as you're sticking your hand

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out like an idiot to feed asix foot long catfish, right, And
this thing swims up to me andgently took it. But looking through my
you know, my goggles, I'mlooking at this fish through the water.
This thing looked like it weighed threehundred pounds. You know, it was
monstrous up on top of me.So I thought, well, maybe the
origin of this could be murky waterdivers see a catfish of this size or

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bigger. And that kind of startedstory. So what I did is me
and Ken Gearhart. I got Kento go with me on my friend Zero
Burley on ba Steinhagen Reservoir. Weweren't able to because this was after nine
to eleven, to get below thedamn access, but we got in the
deep hole north of the damn spillwayand I took a rope. I wasn't

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going to have free dives are prettydeep, and I took a rope and
a tether and led my myself downto the bottom of the water to get
an idea because it was kind ofstandard water conditions there and I could see
about six inches in front of me, and only fish I got to see
on that trip were like light masscame by me and they had to be
right by my mask for me tosee them. But it was it was
an idea of like immersing myself inthese murky southern reservoirs, you know.

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But the coolest part came is whenI went to Spain in two thousand and
five, me and my wife Lisa. I had signed a deal with Magic
Circle Records with my good friend EricAdam, the singer of man O War,
and we released the Hunting and FishingDVD around the world and I got
to go speak in Germany at theirfan convention. And so we went to
Spain to the Segra River to fishfor Wells catfish, which is a giant

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European catfish, in the same stretchof river that Jeremy Wade did for river
monsters. And I actually talked toJeremy and got a recommendation where to go
because I interviewed him and we bothcaught six and a half seven we could
both caught seven footers and I caughta six footer as well. But my
guide, his name was Aid.He had his shirt off, was in

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the summer, and on the backhe had this big, giant round scar
and I said, what is thatfrom me? He goes, well,
I went into the water to getone of the catfish for the anglers and
the wrestler to the bank, andI slipped and it attacked me. And
then he looked at me and toldme, he goes the divers on these
reservoirs when they work on the damgoing a shark cage. Because the wells
mess with all of their dive,their mask and their BC's and all that

(31:25):
stuff. I'd be scary as hell. Dude. That freaked me out,
man. And you know those wells, we know they get ten feet.
The ones we caught were seven,the biggest ones, and they weighed about
one sixty at the time. Hesaid, in the winter, those fish
would have been probably one ninety twohundred, so monster fish. And so
that was kind of my look atthe giant catfish phenomenon. You had reports,

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but never the guy who saw asalways somebody's uncle's, sister's, cousin's
former roommate. You know, I'lltell you that the thing that scares me
the most about it because I'm ana quarrest. I've always had aquariums since
I was a teenager. I stilldo today, and I you know,
so I've gone through my phases.I like nice pieceful mellow fish now,
but I've always I've had oscars,and I've had peacock bass. I've had
all sorts of things in my thanksover the years. And catfish, the

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red tailed catfish, for example,is a nice specimen. They can swallow
things that are way too big forany reasonable catfish to swallow. And if
they can't swallow it, they'll certainlytry. And I just kept thinking,
like someone your size, you know, of going down to deal with these,
a fish your size or a littleeven smaller would try to eat you,
would try to engulf you whole.And that's to me, just seems

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like a bad way to go.Well, I saw the guys scar it
looked when that guy said that,I mean, I could see the sky.
It was a round catfish from outshaped scarleway across his back. How
big, like how many how manyinches would you guess about like across the
wound. Yeah, it's probably fifteensixteen inches across. Oh a shark.
But yeah it was big. Imean the ones we caught. I got

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pictures of me with the biggest oneI caught the out there online, and
I mean they're massive. They couldswallow. You know, there are guys
out there that use twenty pound cartfor bait for these things. You know,
they're huge. So you got tothinking about, like, you know,
I could see that happening in Spainand in America. My conclusion was
that probably just kind of urban legendsstarted with people seeing something that was of

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record size or something like that.I don't think there are any, you
know, eight hundred pound catfish inAmerica, but there could be some that
are quite a bit bigger than theworld record that just never came in.
If you ran into one of thosesuckers and you know, murky water with
a dive mask on it fifty feet, that would freak you out pretty bad.
Oh yeah, and the water hasa tendency. I've done my first
share of snorkeling and stuff. Though. The water has a tendency to magnify

(33:43):
the size of everything in it.Yeah, it does. And so that's
why I wanted to go to experimentwith the biggest known blue catfish at the
time in America. So that waskind of a fun, little little adventure.
And you know, the great thingabout a lot of this, it
always gets when you do these mediaprojects like that, It gets people talking
about nature and wildlife consents and stuff. That's always been a very important thing
to me. You know, weknow along those lines. Aren't you intimately

(34:05):
involved in this the ivory build woodpeckerthing. I did a lot early on
with the Ivory bild woodpecker search.Our area was very much kind of a
hotbed of sightings from about two Iradiusand me, and we went out a
lot. I got to go outand Sey Sports Topics in two thousand and
two did a search and I gotto go out with them for a you

(34:29):
know, and their their search fora day or two. And the guy
who got the footage of the ivorybill in Arkansas a few years later,
David Luno, was the guy Iwas in the field with. Yeah,
I spent a day with him inthe Pearl River Wildlife Management area. Him
and a guy named Martian Lambertink.He was a burder from I think the
I think Belgium. But we hadguys around here that were dedicated birders who

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just swore up and down. Theywould know a pilat woodpecker from an ivory
build they saw ivy bills, andso we did quite a bit on it.
And one of the coolest things waswe were out there one day in
an area they tended to make moreof a an oval shape I think it
was nesting, and they would ripbark off a tree, you know,

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like a rip it off, Andthere was an area they had a lot
of that in there, and wesaw this bird fly and in this dense
thicket on the Sabine River on theTexas Louisiana border, and we heard the
tin horn sound that und of anivory bill. I have never heard that
sound since in nature, and weheard it and there was me and my

(35:36):
dad and my friend Patrick Trumble allthat same day. So I'm pretty sure
we had an ivory bill a woodpeckerencounter. But what I do on ivory
bills now is anytime I get achance to talk about birding, I asked
for people to submit reports and stufflike that kind of log and haven't had
much activity on that recently, buta few years back, there was someone
of the Big Thicket National Preserve thatswore they saw a female ivory bill,

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which looks different than the male.The male has the red crest, you
know, and she's like black witha kind of line thing on her,
which I thought was interesting. It'salmost like someone would I can see a
mistaking appiliated at a distance, buta female ivory bill is a pretty specific
thing to say you saw. Sowe're still we're still probing stuff out there
as well. On that. Didyou see that a photo out of those

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photos out of Florida, of Floridacouple, like maybe a year and a
half ago, Yeah, look prettyinteresting to me, man, I thought
that they're pretty good. But Idealt a lot with I was dealing a
lot with that Zeis Sports Optics teamback in the day. And then we
would do our own stuff up herein all these areas because there's a lot
of river bottoms up here that veryfew people ever go into. And you

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know, there was even talk thatsome of the I forget which First Nations
tribe used to say they thought thatthe ivory bill traveled, They would move,
they wouldn't stay in a spot verylong. You know, and be
in some of these dense bottom lands, So that makes sense if you had
a low population, a few ofthem are moving around some music areas that
people would never fly under the radarliterally, you know, some of the
places you've mentioned about the Ivory BilleAlshards are known bigfoot locations as well.

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No, dude, Pearl River.When I'm there, there was the Bigfoot
Hunting Club sign on the way in, and it is literally the harlan Ford
you know, in search of HoneyIsland Swamp Monster Area. You know,
yeah, it's gonna say that's theHoney Island Swamp Monster Area, right right,
That's what I was in there.I was like, this is cool.
I'm like cause that episode scared thecrap out of me as a kid,

(37:28):
you know, and I was like, dude, this is awesome being
down in the harland Ford area.You know. That was but a lot
of that stuff, and I thinkwhat we're seeing is that it links up.
It's like, if you have remotequality habitat for one particular animal that
may or may not still exist,maybe something we don't know exists but also
live there, you know. SoI think there's a link to all this

(37:50):
habitat, and that's why habitat isso important, especially things like river bottoms
which are declining because of making reservoirsand a lot of this stuff. I
think it's really important to look atthis habitat is you because you can't have
mysteries out there. There's no placefor him to live. Yeah, but
back in two thousand and eight,maybe two thousand and six, I started
advocating this. That's when I hada blog and I was really acting up
like blogging all the time. Iwas advocating this idea of conservation before discovery,

(38:15):
about sasquatches and about how anything youdo to save big patches of land
it's going to help sasquatches. Andsince they're unproven species at this point,
the only thing we can do isprotect our habitat. And you don't have
to believe in Bigfoot to protect amazing, beautiful, pristine habitat. So I
think it's one of the great thingsthat environmentalists in general are doing well.
I get the absolutestion for that,brother, because that's I work in the

(38:37):
wildlife world, and whether we're talkingabout you know, waterfowl or we're talking
about a wild sheep, or whatever. Habitat is always something that's that's being
pressured by development and intrusion and degradationof habitat. I'm actually narrating a new
Bigfoot series my friend's doing called wildMan of the Woods, and the aim
of his whole series, Paul Pazinski'sdoing it is to bring the habitat thing

(39:02):
into people's you know, to makethem think about it, you know,
because these mysteries are out there.I mean, I can't remember guys ever
driving by a wood lot or ariver and not wondering what is out there,
you know, And that's that's whatmotivates me, you know, other
than working with kids like we doin a wildlife That motivates me. And

(39:23):
to think that we're losing it's prettysad. But the good news is there
are people. I think people aregetting a better look at you know,
hey, that those woods that usedto hunt is now a development, or
that place they used to hike isnow a ste lodge. So I think
we're getting some positive traction on that. And I think you're right, whether
you believe in Bigfoot or not,Man, it won't be there if it's

(39:45):
a parking lot, you know,stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with
Cliff and Bogo will be right backafter these messages. Bigfooters in general or
people are just whether they're the researchersare just aficionados of the subject in general,

(40:05):
are a force of good essentially,if we can just start kind of
focusing on like, yeah, youknow, bigfoots are important. We can't
protect them as a species, butwe can protect where they live, and
by doing that we're helping everything elsethat lives here and also frankly ourselves well
you know, and you guys actuallytie into this. We do a ministry
outreach for kids called wild Wishes,and we grant wildlife encounters for kids who

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have a critical illness, traumatic lossof paran or sibling. Kids in Foster
we even had the privilege of workingwe're girls that have been through trafficking,
and we've granted in almost ten years, two hundred and twenty five of those
wishes. Wow. The third wishwas a bigfoot expedition. A little boy
named Jackson, and I took himinto the Big Thicket National Preserve with his

(40:50):
family and some of their friends,into an area where I filmed the Animal
X episode with my friend Natalie Schmidtback in five. Yeah, and I
did that one, you know,And we were out there. The kids
actually found a mountain lion track,which is really rare to find out there,
and there's a couple of possible vocalsbay in the distance. But as
we drove out, I told himit's a long drive out, guy,
that's late. It was about oneo'clock in the morning. I'm gonna stop

(41:12):
at three places and do some calling. I'd forgotten I was gonna stop at
three. I was about to leavethe exit the area. My dad goes,
hey, you better stop again.I'm oh. I stopped and pulled
over and I let her yell out, and this vocalization came barreling. It
couldn't have been more than thirty orforty yards from us. Everybody jumped back
in the cars and it changed otherpeople's paradigm of life. And they're just

(41:35):
little kid who had lost his brotherrecently, smiling this incredible smile. Well,
we became good friends with that family. This is where you tie in.
But I met you, Bobo atthe Willow Creek Bigfoot Symposium in three
and this kid wanted to meet youguys, and the finding Bigfoot producers reached
out to me if I want tobe on an episode, and I didn't

(41:57):
at the time, but they askedme about the on hall in Lufkin,
Texas. So I say, canI bring this kid up there to meet
the you know, to meet youguys. And we pull up and you
never even know how the producers aregoing to live for the word you know,
what's going to go on, andI said, I told the kid,
I said, I met Bobo along time, and they don't know
if you'll remember me or not.We pull up to the building and you're
out on your phone talking to someone'skid's face lights up and we get out

(42:21):
and you hang up the funny goches or more what's up? And took
you, took him in and introducedhim to Cliff and Renee and it made
the kid's life. And we've donerecent Bigfoot expeditions for kids. So that's
pretty much my role now, anddoing Bigfoot stuff is taking kids that have
had hell on Earth a few timesalready maybe to go look for something fun

(42:44):
and fantastic. And I never gotto tell you that I started. Just
want to salute you for you guys, for making that kid's life. Oh
man, that's the best part ofthe show. I do find even now,
actually, after all these years,I find that really the only practical
use for whatever fame we may ormay not have is making other people smile,
honestly, Yeah, especially kids.Yep, it's a beautiful thing.

(43:05):
And I have still the picture ofview and him some of my Instagram somewhere,
and every once in a while Irun into him, and you know,
he still talks about all that.And we took a family out to
the Big Thicket back in September,had some crazy stuff, had sticks thrown
at us that was kind of cool, and some vocals and they had they
saw some weird stuff on thermals andso you know, it's one of the

(43:28):
things we're doing. And you know, the Lord has really blessed my life
to get to work with Wildlife.And I love kids and I hate what
happens to kids in our culture.And you know, not everybody's going to
be the you know, the quarterbackof the head cheerleader, and a lot
of kids that are the one thataren't don't feel like they fit really get
into the stuff because Bigfoot's an outsider, you know, and they really draw

(43:52):
out of this stuff, and thoseare the kids I'm drawn to. And
you know, taking kids on theseexpeditions and stuff like that, through our
through our out each has been alot of fun. You know, it's
been it's just been really really cooland a very good positive to do for
the community. You know. Now, don't you have a nonprofit? I
mean that that's what you're you're talkingabout this right then? This is an
offshoot of our nonprofit. Yeah,you can get more information on that at

(44:14):
Kingdom Zoo dot com. We areare we are the Kingdoms Zoo Wildlife Center.
That's our facility, and we haveour wild Wishes program and Higher Calling
Wildlife outreaches and they all tie intogether, just different like Higher Calling Wildlife
does, like conservation expeditions for kidswith photography, Wild Wishes grants whatever wildlife
encounter they want to meet. Imean, I've got pictures of the wall

(44:35):
here in my office of a girlgetting to pet a white lion cub which
was really cool, and a girlgetting to go in a desert, big
orange sheet capture with Texas Parks andWildlife Man, And that's that's my heart,
man, That's that's just so coolto get to see life changing through
encounters in nature. Okay, well, you know I'm not as classy as
you, so I'm just gonna solicitfor on your behalf. Like, since
you are a nonprofit, people cangive you money as a tax deductible thing.

(44:58):
That's deductible, baby. So ifyou have a up one hundred extra
thousand dollars laying around in your pocketand you want a good place for it,
I know one. I think it'sright here, man, so that
I feel free to give lots andlots of money to this situation here because
it's nonprofit, because it's good foryou, tax deductible, and it's making
a difference to the future as well. So you didn't You didn't come out
to say it, Chester, Butthat's why I'm here. I've got no

(45:19):
qualms about saying that. Man.I'll tell you what. I will give
the web address kingdomszoo dot com.There you go. But uh oh,
what happened there? That's crazy?But uh, thank you. And you
know, like I said, youguys, because you both got great spirits
about you and you're in real friendlywith people. I mean, you never
know who you're going to meet outthere. That's you know, been through
something that day. And because whatever, you know, whatever celebrity any of

(45:43):
us might have for being on TVshow or writing a blog or a podcast,
if we can make someone's life better, that's always a plus. Man.
Yeah, at the end of theday, that's what it's really all
about, I think for sure.And doing some good for the animals too
as well. Yeah, you know, like I said, man, the
thing I'm doing with Paul, we'rewant to get conservation word out and tie
in the bigfoot thing because so manypeople are into it and then people click

(46:05):
with it. I mean they gothey know that they go to some spot
they had this amazing sighting, andthen that site's gone, it's wiped out,
it's you know whatever. Then there'spart of them it's like lost,
you know. And like so it'sa great way to get people into nature,
and you know, it's always betteroutside, guys. And when you're
talking about going out in the woodsto day, I was in here doing

(46:27):
meetings and stuff all day on Zoomand all kinds of stuff and writing all
day. But I went out rightbefore I saw you guys. In my
pond next to my house, Iwent fly fishing for thirty minutes. You
know, I had to be outside. That's what it's all about. You
know. I was going to sayI forgot, I keep forgetting to bring
us up on the podcast. ButI went up to Bluff Creek for the
Patterson give On film site, andthe fire on the map went right through

(46:47):
that area. Then we heard froma Forest Service official that the film site
was gone. And then I spoketo some more biologists and foresters and fire
crew. They were just leaving theBluff Creek area. They're going to lock
the gates behind us, like wewere the last guys out there at that
spot. And I was talking withthe forester and he said that the site

(47:13):
would say that the guy in chargeowner actually diverted resources to save the film
location and it's burned within like lessthan one hundred yards of it is burned
out. Wow, that's incredible,man. Yeah, So they actually went
out of their way and just shiftedmanpower to save the film site. Man,
that's great. That's incredible and doesmy heart good. Yeah. I

(47:36):
was stoked. Yeah, absolutely,man, And you know that's the you
think about that. I mean,when I stun I never forget me and
my dad walking down to that spot, and I'm like, oh my,
you know, and I had Bobcome to speak at my conference that I
used to do, the Southern CryptoConference in two thousand and four, and
taking Bob out to my areas,which was kind of cool. But just

(47:57):
talking to that guy and having beenthe spot, you know, it was
like it connected me with something thatwas amazing. I'm like, that's was
a fundamental thing in my childhood andto think that it was saved is a
wonderful thing. You know, yeah, on purpose, Like it wasn't just
like a random because before when therewere fires close up there, they never
cared like you know, they tryto. They Lows Camp, you know,

(48:20):
the campground out of that that wasalways like the base of their operations
in that area. So that area, you know, would get saved just
for that alone, but they never, like I remember when there was a
fire coming down from the north therea few I don't know how Low many
years ago, but several years ago, and I was talking those things you
got to save that. You gotto cut it off right there on that
ridge. It's gonna come, youknow, it's coming down there, and

(48:42):
that's a historic site. You know, it's like that's that's world history there.
You know, it's it's a theyhad no time. They just did
not care at all, those guyswhat a historic site it is. Yeah,
for sure, I want to gothere this spring. Actually, I
haven't been there in forever since backthen. You know, Bob is such
a great guy. Actually, theoutreach we do. We brought a girl

(49:04):
up to Craig's conference in Texas Bigfootconference the last time Bob was there,
and Bob presented her one of theyou know, the copies of the tracks
and he signed for her. AndI got a picture of me and Bob
and Emily and her mom right therewith that just shows the heart of the
good people out there in the cryptozoologyand bigfoot community. You know. So

(49:25):
what's next for you? I mean, I know, I know that you
have a steady job, and you'vegot this fantastic organization that you work with
and everything. Do you have anythingon the horizon that you're really looking forward
to, like maybe perhaps another expeditionor maybe somewhere that you're speaking, or
some film project that you're working on. Besides I know you mentioned the narration
when the wild Man, I think, yeah, I'm doing that that's wild

(49:45):
Man of the Woods. It's onYouTube. I'm doing the narration. I'll
prob'll be helping with some writing comingup. It's really fun we're doing.
We're already planned expeditions for our outreachnext year. We're doing in June EST's
Park, Colorado, that's our normalone we do. We're gonna be going
to the Smoky Mountains and doing onein October, and probably doing Southern Florida

(50:07):
in late July early August. Sothat's already getting arranging those things going on.
And next year is our tenth yearanniversary of that Wild Wishes program will
probably cross the two hundred and fiftykid in the program mark And just you
know, I got my podcast DarkOutdoors, and we're gonna have season three

(50:28):
of that coming up in February.And Dark Outdoors raises awareness to dangers in
the outdoors, ranging from serial killersto traffickers to dangerous wildlife and weather conditions.
And that's won several awards from differentpress organizations. And I'm really excited
about Overca coming up for season threeon that one. I gotta check that
out. Yeah, where can peoplelisten any major podcasting platform, whether you

(50:52):
listen to Spotify, Amazon, youknow, Apple Music, you know it's
on all of those. And theway I do this one is I have
to do and see so much researchinvolved in it. I can't just put
one out every week or two,So we do seasons. So it's be
season three starting in an eight episoderun in February, and the first episode

(51:12):
on this was about Ted Bundy andit was the guy Steven Michau who set
across from interview Ted for six monthshow he actually took women into the woods.
And a friend of mine found atree carving way off trail mule deer
hunting in Utah and it said TedBunny nineteen seventy four and that was the
year he escaped to prison in Utahand went to hear the National Forest.

(51:35):
So got me to thinking, whatwould happen if you run into someone like
that? And I kept running intoI actually had a situation in Trinity Klamath
National Forest area there in the EmeraldTriangle back at three when me and dad
went there for that Bigfoot event andgot chased off a mountain up there.
It was crazy. So we're tryingto raise awareness to that stuff and had

(51:57):
some pretty compelling shows you know,if you had that California Fishing Game guy's
former fishing game official that was dealingwith the cartails down like just outside the
Bay area and then up in northernCalifornia. I actually I've been emailing him
back and forth to do a showwith me. He really lays it out
there for this area, dude.I mean, he was telling me some
stuff and some emails he said,you know, he was on the road

(52:20):
doing something he's probably gonna end upbeing on season three of the show and
wild stuff, man. I mean, just the level of things are going
on. Because someone asked me,hey, Chester, what's the most dangerous
thing in the woods that I don'teven think And I said, people,
yeah, And so that came.That turned into a podcast and it'll be
a book next year is gonna bea book on dark outdoors. So that's

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all coming up in twenty twenty four. My friends, what's the scariest thing
that's happened to you out in thewoods. I'll just say that the scariest
thing that's happened to me out inthe woods involved me driving a rental car
eighty miles an hour down the mountainin the middle of the night. I
don't want to poop on your preyhere, but let's save that for the
member section. I think that soundslike a great topic to go into the

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members, give them a little somethingspecial there. Yeah yeah, so let's
let's let's let's save it for thatone. That sounds great. You know,
I go to say, two chesters, if you if you got those
making wish whatever your your foundation kids, if you ever want to do something
at Bluff Creek, Be and Clipwould definitely be down for doing that with
you guys. Man, that wouldbe mind blowing. And that's actually a

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dream of ours, is to takeus some kids into that area and that
would be incredible. So let's collaborateon that and make that happen for a
couple of special kids. Awesome,you guys are great. Man. They're
gonna make me cry. I'm abig cry baby about kids. If I
can't make if I can't make oneperson cry a day, I can't sleep
all at night. Yeah yeah,yeah, I've heard that before from people,

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but that's usually me though. It'susually I cried myself to sleep,
honestly, some sort of like fetalposition thing until and weep myself into slumber.
So in the member section, you'regoing to tell us your scariest encounter
driving. That also could tell usyour scariest animal encounter crypted or known.
I'll give you both knowingly encrypted.How about that? Yeah, yeah,
we need them both so our listenersout there. If you want to be

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a member and hear these special contentsort of things, all you have to
do is go to the website thereat big Foot and Beyond Podcasts and follow
the links to membership, or misterMatt Prut, our producer, will put
the link in the show notes below. Chester, Thank you so much for
coming on the show. I'm lookingforward to the member section conversation and then
exploring this topic a little bit further. Hey, thank you guys so much,
real honor and privilege. You guysare awesome, and you know,

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it's great to be able to collaborateand do some great things for some kids.
And thank you guys for being afun and very informative voice out there
and that you're doing great work.Oh, thank you, thanks for coming
on, Chester. Yeah, it'sbeen too long since we've hung out,
so man, it's good to talkto you for sure. Yeah, looking
forward to seeing you get in persontoo, right on Chester. All right,
folks, that's Chester more so checkthem out. He's got some good

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talking about. If you want tohear what, we're going to have on
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