Ep. 240 - Repeated Encounters in SoCal!

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Berrickman and James Bubo Fay. Goodafternoon, Bobo. How you doing today?
Excellent? How are you? Cliff? Not bad at all? Not
bad at all. I'm at themuseum today. Of course I work every
Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Minithe other days as well, but here
today just kind of touching up themuseum, doing some touch up painting jobs.
We're filling some new display cases withsome cool stuff. We have some

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new original casts on display, youknow, from Ape Canyon. Oddly enough,
what yours it was like this yeartwenty twenty three, I believe.
Okay, now I'm going be lastyear, but I'm pretty sure it was
this year. I think it wasin July, if I remember right.
Some local researchers found some stuff abouta mile and a half above the Ape
Canyon trailhead, so the general area, which is great. We put that

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on display early, even though we'replanning on making a rather grandiose Ape Canyon
display for the entirety of twenty twentyfour, because that is the one hundredth
year anniversary of the events. Yeah, beyond that, you know, I
guess the big news of this weekis that yesterday Keith, who's a contractor
here at the NBC and general handymanand all around good guy, he came

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into my house where I lived becausewe're I'm going to start rewiring the outbuilding
where your trailer lives, you know, yeah, And so we're going to
start rewiring it because a lot ofthe plugs are dead and it just it's
just time. I need to redothe lights and all that stuff. So
Keith came over, and I don'tknow anything about electricity, right. That
kind of scares me. You know, you may find you may find that

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shocking, thank you very much.But so he was over, and he
came over around noon or something.As he was pointing at this and it
says, you need this, andI'll give you a list of things to
buy, and I'll come over andI'll show you how to do this and
that and stuff. And we're donearound twelve thirty. And I'm assuming it's
raining pretty hard down there, becauseI know it's been raining like crazy up
here. So I kind of said, well, you want to go to

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the woods. It's not raining realhard right now, and he goes,
yeah, sure, I got nothing. So he went to the woods yesterday
and walked because you know, it'sbeen like I think right now as I'm
saying this, it's like fifty eightdegrees. That's exactly what it is here.
Yeah, it's so warm, andyesterday was no exception. It's that
Pineapple Express that you know, thatwarm southern rain coming up. So it's

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been in the mid to upper fiftiesall week. I think yesterday was in
Portland at least a topped oat atsixty or sixty two or some ridiculous number
like that. It was insane.Right, So there's no snow and it's
December, so I wanted to takeadvantage of getting up to one of my
higher elevation spots. So Keith andI went out there and walked this one
particular area that we've been lucky before, and sure enough we found prints again.

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Yesterday I came back with came backwith five casts in my car yesterday,
the same one, its the samesmaller foot Yeah. Well, yeah,
this particular area has yielded two differentsizes of animals before, a twelve
inch and a fourteen or fifteen inch, and we have prints from both of
them from yesterday. Oh, howwere they in conjunction? Like, well,
we found the twelve inch one wherewe found the twelve inch one before,

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and it was crossing the road andthen running up the embankment that same
place. We looked like at thecorner of the road bends right there,
not where the bend is, no, no, no, before that,
long before that, actually over bya spring, and then it went up
into the hill. So we gotone print on the road that shows a
couple toes. It's not, youknow, not going to impress anybody or

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anything, but I love it.We found one print on the road which
we cast, and then we missedone. But then we found three others
going up the embankment. And thisembankment is it doesn't stop. It's the
side of a hill. You know, it goes up like one hundred feet
or something like that. You know, I found three or four before I
lost it in the forest stuff.We tried to cast one of those.

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I don't have real high hopes forit because it was mostly in plant matter,
but since I could see the toesin person, I wanted to give
it a try. And then wecontinued walking this area, and about one
hundred and fifty or two hundred yardsdown the road, Keith like, I
see something in the ground. Igo, that looks like a heel impression,
What is this? And I'm likegetting down and close and personal with
it? And I look back andKeith is, you know, like five

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feet away from me looking at anotherthing in the ground, says, what
do you think this is? AndI started looking. I look at his
I go, well, I don'tknow. That kind of looks like a
heel of it. What direction?Like? Is that a foot? Then
by see is that a toe onthat side? He goes, I thought
it was going the other way,and we couldn't really decipher it, you
know, because that's something I learnedfrom Tom Shade when I had an opportunity

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to go tracking with him. Hesays, anything in the ground that looks
funky, anything in the ground thatlooks unusual, down on your hands and
knees and really look at that,you know, give it five or ten
minutes if that's what it takes.Give it a long time and see if
you can figure out what's going on. So Keith and I are like looking
at his thing, and I think, I don't know what direction is going

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on? Is that a toe oris that a toe on the other side?
And I go, well, Keith, look at what I found over
here. And then I take themfive feet away and I look, and
he goes, oh my god,because he hadn't made it down that far.
You. He goes, well,that's the heel, right, And
I said, yeah, that's aheel. And we start looking and sure
enough there's toes, which solved themystery about which direction the other footprint was
traveling on my dad. So wefound three tracks there, two of which

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that we felt were castable. Theother one was it was a mark on
the ground and just there's really nothingto pour plaster in. And then of
course we start looking around the areabacktrack and go twenty thirty fifty feet in
each direction, and behind where thesetwo or actually three tracks were, we
found some other marks in the ground, and Keith's going, what what kind

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of animal makes that? That's aweird one. It's like these weird scrape
marks that were kind of like allgoing towards a central point and I'm looking
at I go, dude, thatmight be a hand, and he looks,
oh my god. There and thenwe start counting these scrap and you
imagine like a big old hand,you know, sticking out. And of
course it wasn't just one impression.I think it was a number of marks

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from the same hand as it movedaround. I don't know what it was
doing, but we counted five fingers, all kind of coming to a central
point, and we well, wecast all these things and it was a
sloppy looking print in the ground.I don't have real high hopes of the
cast looking much like a hand,but perhaps it'll yield some sort of information.
So that was just yesterday. SoI kind of did a preliminary you

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know, squirt down to the cast, not rubbing it or anything like that
because it's not set yet. Soanyway, yeah, that was yesterday.
So pretty pretty epic day, man, pretty epic day going out to the
woods on a whim and coming backwith five casts. That's awesome. Yeah,
yeah, everything's coming up, Cliff, Well yeah, yeah, Me
and Millhouse are kind of, youknow, kindred spirits in a lot of

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ways. So what's up with you? Man, anything good, anything unusual?
Yeah, I mean getting nothing.They're getting in the woods more so
that's good, excellent. Where haveyou been going? Just up in the
redwoods? Just different spots, nothingbig, you know, just doing a
you know, a couple of milehigh Well, I mean that's all,
that's all I'm doing, you know. Yeah, you go to a spot

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where they are, man, andyou'll probably find some stuff that's great.
But up there, it's like youreally got it. For my experiences,
you really got to get off trailusually to have stuff fine stuff or here
stuff usually Oh yeah that has beenmine. But I mean we're just sticking
on the road. So maybe we'rejust in a good spot or something.
Yeah, you're in a better spotbecause there's not people trapsing around where you're
aut like that, like like there'sredwoods. No no, but you can

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probably go behind those gates and walkaround. Oh yeah, yeah you can.
And this is the time of year, man, because the tourist seasons
pretty much not in existence right now, even though there's people around. It's
a national park or the state park, and of course it doesn't really snow
necessarily on the coast there. Sothis sounds like a great time a year
to be out in the woods inthe red Yeah. Yeah, it seemed
pretty nice. And then so speakingof good weather, we got a witness.

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This is from down in San Diego. He actually my brother met him
in line or in the bathroom orsomething waiting in line with the bathroom at
the Dodgers game, Dodgers Padre game. He was a big Padre fan,
so he came up to LA andDodger Stadium and they got to talking in
the line, and I guess hehad a big foot hatter. My brother

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had a big foot shirt or something, the big foot thing, and they
started talking and he's like, he'sdo you tell your brother to come down
and check out my place? Igot squatches there and then I talked to
him for about ten minutes on thephone. And then I didn't get his
number, and my brother had itand he ended up losing it. But
I talked to him for about tenminutes, and he sent me a video
clip of him talking, you know, about a forty five second clip saying,

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you know, this is where I'mat, and you know I'm done
by lake handshot and I could justtalk about for tests. I'm like this
guy it's I think he's really gothim. Like, I'm like, he
sounds legit. And then I uh, like a year and a half later,
I'm watching We're gonna have Eli Watson. I'm from small Town Monsters our
Guests like a month ago, andhe was He's like, yeah, I
made a movie called Bigfoot the Border. I check it out. I'm like,

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oh my god, that's that's Brian, the guy I talked to.
My brother talked to you, andso I got in touch with him,
and he's gonna come on and we'regonna talk about some Southern California squatching.
Nice. Yeah, Southern California.I mean, I think it's overlooked for
bigfoot habitat because it's some really crazyhabitat down there, man. I mean,
the grizzlies loved it. There's lotsof black bears around there. Still,

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why wouldn't there be sasquatches around there? Yeah, I think and I've
always said, I think that mightbe the city going to the living peninsul
where it's just so watered everywhere ingreen shrubberries like Vietnam, just thick jungle
like I always thought, like,man, like New Mexico, Arizona southern
California, Like there's only so manywater sources and there's only so much cover.
I mean there's a lot of there'sa lot more cover than people think.
But the waters is the big keydown there. And if you got

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a spot where they're going through nearwater, I mean I think that's a
great spot to focus. Absolutely absolutely. So hey, Brian, welcome the
Bigfoot and Beyond with me and thatguy. We really appreciate you coming on
and talking to us and filling thissen what's been going on. I had
no problem. I watched your Iwatched your segment again last time on the
on the documentary. Yeah, Bigfootat the Border, Bigfoot the Border,

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which of course, as Bobo mentioned, is by Eli Watson, part of
the Small Town Monsters crew. Ithink all that stuff is Is it for
free on YouTube? Brian? Yeah? It is, oh cool. So
I always like driving us some eyesonto my friend's YouTube pages. So Agaain,
I mentioned to you before the showbefore we pushed the record button that
I don't really know anything about youor anything like that, and you briefly

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mentioned that you've been doing Bigfoot stufffor like what ten years or something?
Yeah, about ten years? IfI gather thingsly from what Bobo said,
you've had activity on your property.Yeah, I grew up there when I
was a little kid, from abouteight to twelve. My dad bought it
and it's an empty property up ontop of a mountain range and we lived
there for four years or so,and we had all the animals and we

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had a few weird things happened,but I never would think bigfoot at the
time. And then the property wentleft alone for fifteen years and then I
just randomly went up camping with myfriends and it was my dad had the
house bulldoze, so it was justa flat land on top and we just
had a fire pit and we werejust having fun up there, and then
stuff started to happen. So lookingback, when so you lived on this

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property as a as a young boy, sounds like and you said at the
time he didn't really put two andtwo together that sasquatches might be involved.
And I can totally understand that.What were the things now that you're older
and having had more experiences looking back, what were the things that could have
tipped you off sasquatches were involved?Well, we had lived in a trailer
at first before my dad built thehouse and we had movie night. There

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was five of us in there inone little room. And one night something
walked up behind the trailer and tappedthe wall right next to my dad's head.
So he got out and with theshotgun walked around. There was nothing
there. As soon as he getsback in, we start the movie again,
it comes back and knocks again.And then there was a couple of
times our dogs got so frightened theyjumped in the truck and didn't want to

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get out. We dealt with mountainlions and stuff up there, but that
never caused it. And the horseswere freaking out a few times, and
just little stuff like that. Nowyou probably had bears in the area as
well. No, they released blackbears out there a while back, but
they didn't last long. They justended up in the city, so they
took them out. Just mountain lionsand deer. Mountains had a lot of

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deer, Yeah, a lot ofdeer. I get them coming through in
groups. Kats. Yeah. Now, when you said it tapped on the
outside of the trailer, is itlike a tap tap tap or is a
boo? It was more like aknuckle tapping. Okay, like multiple Yeah,
it wasn't banging, gotcha, gotcha, But clearly something some sort of
pattern that made you go, that'snot something hitting the trailer, that's yeah

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happened. Yeah, we just figuredas a ghost or something. But I
love that that was your first goto. Yeah, it's about all we
could think of. It's too darkand there's no one up there walking around.
Okay, so your dogs have beenfrightened a few times in this particular
area. And on top of that, you had some knocking on the outside
the trailer with no apparent source forit. Anything else, things moved around

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in the yard, or strange soundsin the night, or no, we
had some weird screams. We figuredwe're just mountain lions. But now that
I look back, after what I'veexperienced now, I feared a lot of
those noises probably weren't them. Diddid any of your neighbors or your dad
or anybody like comments about seeing themor seeing shadows in the night or anything

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like that, Well, not thatI remember. It was a long time
ago, but not that I rememberthat. We moved out of there because
the neighbors were two in the drugsand all that. So my dad got
us out of there. They're alittle wild, tweaky. Yeah. Yeah,
so it is the Inland Empire,you know. So yeah, interesting,
Now how much land did you have? How big was this? Properly?
That's ten acres? I still gotit. Now since I haven't seen

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the documentary, can you describe thelandscape. It's on top and it's like
a football field size clearing, andthen there's a little road that goes up
on both sides with a little circleplot, and then the dryway comes up
and it's on a big bank ona dirt road, and then the back
area is mountains and it gets goesinto the Indian reservation, so it's all

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emptied. The neighbor there's direct neighbors. I mean, it's like when you
look at it from the Google mostof those are abandoned. Most of those
properly there's no one even there.It Is it heavily forested or is it
that scrub stuff that chaparral that southernCalifornia mountains are thick with it's scrubs,
But there's enough trees to make itthick. If you go on the right
areas, it's it's pretty thick.There's some big oak trees. Stay tuned

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for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliffand Bogo will be right back after these
messages. So okay, So youmoved out of the property at some point
when you're still young, live somewhereelse for a while, but you still
own the property. What was whatwe'll call that previous stuff chapter one?

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Where does chapter two start? Aboutten years ago, I went up with
a couple buddies and we just madea little fire pit, and one of
my almost some thirty eight, soit was about about twenty eight, twenty
nine, and we just made alittle fire pit and we're just having fun
just that night, doing whatever.And on about the third time, I'm

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sitting there and we had a barbecuethat had the lid on it about fifteen
feet in front of us, andwe were in our tent, it was
like a half tent, and rockbounced right off the barbecue. So we
all stopped. And I've always beenin a big Foot, but I never
thought it'd be up there. ButI was just like, all right,
let's trump the lights and be quiet, and then we sat there with the
lights off, and then about fiveseconds later, another rock bounce right off

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of it. Perfectly. So thenafter that I was kind of thinking like,
Okay, maybe something, maybe theyare up here, because something's definitely
up here. And yeah, andthen about a month and a half into
it, we moved the fire pitto the other side, more by the
trees where the creek comes out,and there was three of us. I
was splitting logs. My friend wasI don't know what he was doing,

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but and then his girlfriend was rightthere and it gets dark out there.
You can't see in front of yourface if you walk away from the fire,
and she radomly just screamed out eyeseyes, and I look up and
I can't see anything, but Ihear it run from the tree, and
it runs around my car and startscutting across the property. And I have
no clue what it was. Ijust had this little flash that I just

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start running after it. I don'tknow why. I just wanted to see
what it was, thinking it wasprobably a deer or something. So I'm
cutting, running behind it, behind, cutting across the property, and I
have a cheap flashlight, and Ican tell it's about a little bit ahead
of me, and I can hearits legs like running. It sounded like
a swishing, and then when Iget to the end, it goes into
the trees and I see the treesmoving, like it went swimming right into

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the trees. And then after thatI realized it was a big hairy man.
And then after that I just waslike, Okay, they are up
here, so you saw it.I didn't see it, but I felt
it, and I knew it waswhat it was. I knew that it
wasn't a deer or anything else.No, but now I remember I went
to Bahalla, that's right in thatarea, and the people talked about it

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all the time, but I neverI didn't think they were I didn't connect
them the Bigfoot. So you didn'tknow any big foot stories down there that
like priorly like really started. Yeah, once I started digging in, I've
heard other stuff. Like my neighborI asked him if he gets anything thrown
at him, and he said,yeah, I get stuff thrown at me
all the time. And I toldhim kind of what was going on.

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He's like, oh, I didn'tthink of that. I just thought it
was the Indians throwing stuff at mefrom the Indian reservation. So yeah,
everyone up there was kind of alittle out of it, Yeah, because
that you're pretty I mean, there'sno way, I mean, looking at
that terrain and how far away theres is, there's no way that'd be
an option. And Indians get blamedfor throwing rocks and sticks at people all
the time when they're you know,during res that's that happened. That's what

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people that I thought it was justthe Indian screwed with me. It's like
they're not They're not hanging out everyday throwing They're coming around a night and
throwing twigs and pine cones at yourtent. That must be very bewildering for
like Native people. It's like likeit's like what what like what kind of
stereotype is that you know? Yeah, and like Native Yeah, yeah,
you know Native people they're known forgoing out at night and sneaking up on

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people and throwing the sticks and twigslike that's absolutely ridiculous, and it's like
that's how unusual. But yeah,a few months after that, I figured
out what I figured they had tobe up there, So it was the
same I've gone through different groups goingup up there over the time, and
it was me and my friend hisgirlfriend again doing the same thing around the
fire. I was doing something andthen we had a music box playing pretty

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loud, and I look up myfriend and he's looking at me telling me
to turn it down. So Iturned the music thing off and I'm staring
over at him. And then wehave a pond, an empty pond that
goes to the creek. It's aboutseventy five yards away from us. All
all of a sudden, hear thislike big owl, like whoo, and
we're looking at each other being likewhat is that? And my friend does

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one back, and then you canhear it start to walk through the pond
and it goes into this like screaminglike whoa, just like screaming like that.
And I have my hands on myhead looking at my friend being like
what is that? And I hearit walk across the pond up and we
had this old chicken coop that's notthere anymore, but it walked right behind

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the chicken coop and it got quiet, and then it went into this like
more of a talking. It waslike whoao, like doing stuff like that.
And then on the other side ofus, I hear one cutting through
the brush, so there was twoof them. So then I'm like,
I want to see what this thingis. I want to light it up.
So I get in my car andI have that thing full blast,

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going through the dirt, and Ihave my high beams on and I drive
all through the property and nothing.And then I get back and my friend
is at the fire pit and hesaid, as soon as I got my
car, he heard him cut through. And they left, but I heard
him yelling at each other for agood ten seconds. When did you start
figuring out their travel route? Justit's kind of just one creek area from
the pond goes to the road andit goes to the main canyon and there's

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a fence from a property that noone's there. That cut is kind of
like they have to go on ourside on the fence to cut through,
and it's real sick right there.And then if they cut through and go
above, it goes up into themountain range where the Indian Reservation is.
So it's kind of a perfect pathway. And if they do another way,

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it's probably a lot more difficult becausethe lake's at the bottom, so they're
coming out of that canyon if they'regetting water at the lake. Yeah,
it's pretty cool because you can seecliff when when you watch the video where
it jumps the fence, like thechain links all bent over the top.
There's a pole that looks like itputs its hand on the vault itself over
and it's like, you know,it's a steel pole. And he's got

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a great tree break. That treebreak he got awesome. Yeah, it's
really twisted if you really look atit, like up close. And that
pathway that cuts around to the backsideof the fire pit. On that backside,
there's this little pocket of thick trees. And I had a few few
things happened there. One time.It was me and my buddy, and
I've told him about what's going onup there, and I had them come

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up about five or six times andnothing happened. And one night it was
pretty late and we're just talking andall of a sudden, a rock comes
and lands about five feet away fromus near the fire and we both looked
at it roll and we looked ateach other and we're like all right.
In my mind, I'm like,all right, they're here. And then
we just sat there quietly with ourback turn into it, and a few
more rocks come in and in thenext minute and we got so excited.

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We gave each other a hug,and then we got quiet again, turned
our back, and then I heardthis like it was an old beer can
that must have been down there foryears. I heard it come off his
finger as he threw it, andit cut through the brush and it lanted
about ten feet behind us and justrolled a few feet. And it threw
an old beer can, and Iwish I didn't do this, But then

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I walked over with my phone lightand shined it into the brush, and
I heard it walk off, andit was big, and it just walked
into the dark, deep forest.Have you been able to track the things
at all, either by finding nicefootprints or just seeing their pathways? And
the reason I asked this, I'mcurious about how big their feet might be
caught. I found prints cutting acrossbehind the pond after it snowed one day,

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and I'm really pissed off my phonebroke on that trip up there,
and I ended up throwing the phoneinto the canyon before I walked back there
and saw it. But they wereperfect across the snow the abandoned road,
and they were teenager size. Theywere smaller mine. It walked in a
perfect line and just walked right acrossthe road and the prince took the snow
right off, so it was justyou can see him perfectly. But I've

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seen the other things in the ground, but it's really hard ground with weeds
up there, and we'd have thepond, and I've seen some stuff in
the sand, but I haven't seenanything like the ones in the snow.
That was perfect. And as yousay, there's more than one of them.
Yeah, I've had four of themcome through one night at the same
time. Yeah, I was sleeping. I have this little half shed now

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and it's right next to the firepit, and my buddy was there,
but he's in. He was sleepingin something where he can't hear anything outside.
He's kind of in, and itwas just me out there and it's
around three o'clock and I'm on myback, just half asleep, and I
hear this this owl. It's likehoo hoo. It starts up coming from

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the top part and I'm listening toit, being like, Okay, that
doesn't sound right and that's different.And then a little bit later another one
joined in, and then eventually fourof them joined in and they were doing
perfect circle go around me. Therethey had they had me surrounded just for
a couple of minutes. They weredoing a perfect circle back and forth,
and I was just listening. Andthen the one that was over by my

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driveway, I hear it starting towalk up the hill and it got closer
to the other one, and theneventually they started going, just them to
start going back and forth until theystarted to argue, and it sounded like
gorillas, like doing the hoo hoohoo, And they went at it for
a few seconds, and then itjust got quiet and I didn't hear anything
after that. You didn't hear himleave the area or no, not at

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all. But I heard that onewalking up and it met up with the
other one and there were four ofthem there. Have you been able to
speak with any of the indigenous peoplein the reservation about him? Uh?
No. I never go back there. The road is a different direction and
I never really go back there.And and how big of an area is
that, you know, I'm notsure it's a Santa Isabelle Indian Reservation.

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I'm not sure how big it is. But they got a lot of land
back there, Okay, Yeah,because southern California particular. A lot of
the reservations are more like rancherias orsomething like that. Yeah, these people
want to be left alone. Youcan tell really who doesn't honestly? Yeah,
bigfoots included. So how close doyou think you have been to one
of these things? Oh? Mybest story is my friend Crew I met.

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It's me and him mostly now,and all the stuff. A lot
of the stuff started happening when itwas just me and him, and every
time we were up there were like, all right, it's just us some
bigfoot tonight. And one night,it was around eleven o'clock. The stars
are out, and my car andhis car park next to each other on
the side of where they passed through, and there's a big tree there,

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and he gets up and walks overto his car. He's like, I
want to go take photos of thestars. So he walks away, and
then I see him come back andhe's like, hey, Brian, you
can come over there with me.It's dark and I'm scared. So we
both kind of laughed. So wewalk over. He's in the back of
his car that light on. Ihave my elbow in his car and I'm
just talking to him. And mine'son the right side meet my car,
and then I hear and just feelthis thing. It just stands up right

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in front of my car, andI look over and I see this giant
figure. I see the moon shiningoff his shoulder and his neck, and
it was just a giant sasquatch juststanding right next to me. I could
have took one step and touched him, and he just casually walked away from
my car and walked towards the treesand no rush or anything. So I

(26:25):
yell at my friend. I'm like, hey, crew, there's a giant
man out here. And then he'slike, I hear it. So he
gets out and has his phone lighton him, and the thing walked behind
another tree and we're just standing thereand I have my arms on his shoulders
trying to see through his light,and we see his eyes. They were
like bluish crystal and they're about alittle over seven feet, just peeking around

(26:45):
the tree, not moving at all, and we're staring at him for about
five seconds, and I was like, hello, friend, I said that
twice twice, and he didn't moveor do anything. So then after a
little bit, I was like,okay, let's trump a light and let
him go, And as soon ashe turned the light off, it pushed
away from the tree and walked intothe thicker stuff and left. He got

(27:06):
his camera out after that and tookphotos of the tree lines, and he
didn't catch anything though, it probablyjust left. Is that the same one
where you were like ten feet fromit? Yeah, it was right next
to me because I was right nextto my car, and it was probably
just watching us around the fire,and we unexpectedly just walked right up to
it, so then it was kindof stuck there and then just got up
and walked off. That was aroundthe same time frame where you had that

(27:27):
sleeping incident, you know. Yeah, that it was probably about a year
before that one I was sleeping there. It was around the same time as
I think it was the time after. It was a time after I heard
the owls where there was four ofthem, and on my back again around
the same time, and it wasaround three o'clock and it was really dark

(27:48):
outside, and I have a littlethe little half shed has this little pole
down thing and it's like you cansee through it, and I'm laying there
and I hear something walking up tome. And I'm kind of frozen,
and it sounds like it's on twofeet and it walks right up to me,
and it sounds like it's bending over, and it's just I hear it's
breathing, and it's real heavy breathing. It's there for about three to four

(28:10):
seconds, just staring right at me, and there was no way I was
gonna pull my blanket off. Ijust acted like I was sleeping. I
was scared, and then it justwalked off. And the next morning I
look for Prince, but the groundwas so hard. But that one was
pretty scary, and I don't knowwhat it was for sure, but it
definitely wasn't a coyote or a deer, and it walked up and I heard

(28:30):
it breathing really deep. Yeah,I'd say, with no bears in the
area to speak of, then like, what else do you have? Really?
After that, I stopped sleeping inthat half shed. That was enough
for me. How often do youget out there? It was every weekend
for years, but lately it's gottena car accident earlier this year, so
this year's given kind of slow.I've only been up there about five times,

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but it was me and my buddycrew going up there for about three
years, I felt like we're upthere every weekend. Most of the time
it was just us two, soI spent a lot of a lot of
nights out there, just just nextto the fire pit. What time of
year is more active than the otheror like certain times the night or I
don't seem to notice a difference,even the hottest days they've been there,

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So I haven't really noticed a difference. What percentage of nights would you say
that you notice activity. It wouldbe about one every four for a while,
but recently, this last this lastyear, I don't think. I
think I've only had one little one, but I don't know. My friends
been bringing his big old dog upthere recently, so I think maybe that
has something to do with it.But you haven't had them recently recently,

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But it was like one out ofevery four or five nights. It was
almost automatic for a little bit.It seemed like once a month. Yeah,
it was something little or something.Sometimes they wanted our attention or sometimes
they didn't. One night it wasme, crew and my other buddy.
It was just three of us thatnight, and there was nothing going on.
We're just sitting around the fire quietly, and then on the tree line

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where they passed through, we justall of a sudden hear this tree being
aggressively shooken and I look over andthis tree is just shaking really bad.
So some nights we want to likereally get into it, and some nights
were just like, oh whatever.But that night we just all got up.
I had my phone on me,so I pull record out with the
flashlight and we run straight into thetrees and we hear two of them walking

(30:19):
like they're walking off kind of fast, and they're big and heavy, and
my friend's yelling, yelling the wholetime about how big they are. And
we walk in there and then itjust got dead silent, and we froze,
and we're in the pitch black.We can't my phone light does nothing
out there, and so I'm justkind of filming around the area and there's
no noise or anything. All ofa sudden, it takes off and we

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hear it, so then we rundeeper into it and then it stops again.
So we're just standing there filming,and I didn't know it until the
next day after I watched my video. I have it on Instagram. So
we're like as I looked at inthe morning when I was filming, about
ten feet in front of us,there was these eyes that blinked at us
where just they were really low tothe ground, and these were big and

(31:02):
yellow and wide apart. And thenas I filmed towards the dock area,
there was another one standing up behinda tree and it blinked too. It's
like it had its eyes closed sowe wouldn't see it, and they just
blinked to see where we were,and we didn't know where they were at
the time, So then we walkedover to the dock where that one was
standing and they didn't move at all. So we stood there on the dock
for about five minutes, not knowingthere was one just right behind this big

(31:27):
tree the whole time. And thenwe walked back to the fire a little
bit later, and they never madea noise after that. But I didn't
realize that they were just right infront of us one night until I watched
the video. Stay tuned for moreBigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
We'll be right back after these messages. Speaking of noises, you said you've

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heard some weird like calls, andthen then speaking and all that sort of
stuff. Have you ever heard anyof those long sort of Ohio or do
they just not do that there?They don't really do that there. I
hear a lot of the cows,the mimicking of the cows and goats that
was popular for a while. Likeone time I was playing catch with my
friend with the football and it wasdark and the driveway cuts goes down on

(32:15):
the bank side, so we're rightthere, and out of nowhere a cow,
a full grown cow, is moaningtwenty feet away from us on the
driveway and we can't see. It'stoo thick and dark, and it's just
right on our driveway. And themorning I go down, there's no prints,
there's no cow. I started tonotice it after that, And then

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one time me and my buddy areon the fire and from the top part,
we all of a sudden hear acow. It is like ma,
So I get up and do oneback, and then it does it again
me and it go back and fortha few times as it's getting closer to
us, and then it must havegot close enough to realize I was a
human. And then it went moreinto this like squird screaming, and then

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it just got quiet and left.Well that sounds soothing. Yeah, how
foul? Did you hear him vocalizedbefore they got to your property? You
know, like would you hear likeone hundred yards out or a quarter mile
hour? Sometimes they're just right thereat nighttime, sometimes like that one on
the driveway, he was twenty feethe was just right there, a full
full cow, like right there.And then one time I woke up and

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we have a big trampoline up therenow, and I got up off the
trampoline like seven o'clock and my otherbuddies are still sleeping. As soon as
I put my toe on the ground, we have this old trailer that shoved
into the trees and it's probably aboutseventy five yards away from us. As
soon as my foot hit the ground, I hear a goat and I was
like ah, And I look overat my friend and she's laying down.

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She's like, there's a goat.And I run over there, thinking there
was a goat there, And assoon as I got there, it's just
dead silent and all I hear isthe bees. And that's when I fully
realized it was like, all right, they're just messing with us or maybe
one made that noise to let theother ones know I'm up because they're just
hanging around. I got those recordingswhen he was there, the cow recordings.
Yeah, So Eli asked if Ido a wood knock, So I

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did one, and about ten secondslater, right after I got done,
tell them about the cows. Wehad a cow go off that's probably one
hundred and fifty yards and it wason the abandoned property. We went over
there and looked afterwards, and itwas a full cow. It just immediately
replied, But there were no therewas no cow when you were no,
there's no Yeah, there's no cowsup there. Yeah, you look on
you look on the satellite cliff.There's there's no cows up there. Now,

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now you mentioned bees very quickly,so you have you have bee hives.
We have the sun bees, theyellow ones. Do they make honey?
No? They bite you and theygo into your SODA's but oh oh,
like like yellow jackets. Yeah,okay, gotcha, gotcha? All
right? So what what about othersounds like knocks? Do you ever get
those? Yeah? I get knocksall the time on the abandoned property.

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I think they really liked that areabecause I'll get the knox all the time.
They never reply with a knock backto me, but I get knocks
all the time. I hear him. Sometimes they're deeper in others there's just
one, just one knock at atime. Yeah, Okay. What's on
that abandoned property? Some guy boughtit and made a vineyard a long time
ago, probably fifteen years ago,but he failed and then sold it and

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it went through some owners. Noone's done anything with it, and now
I think a guy in the militaryhas it, but he's never up there
and he hasn't touched it. Arethere grapes grape vines there? Yeah,
but they're all rotted out that itgets no water or anything. No one
does another of them produce grapes thatare something. No. Yeah, no
one's up there doing anything. Whatdo you think they're on your property?
I mean, it's it just apassage, a pathway from one spot they're

(35:34):
going in there. Sometimes I'm thinkingthat, and sometimes I think they just
hang out over there. They hangout. They I've noticed in the mornings,
like I just sometimes I feel likethey're in the brush watching me until
I get up, and it's justthey like to be close. I don't
know. They've never been threatened bythem, but I've been scared. Well,
you mentioned a chicken coop earlier too, maybe, Yeah, that was
when I was a kid. Wehad that and then we end up burning

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it. Okay, gotcha, gotcha? Hopefully no chickens. Yeah. So
one time it was just me upthere by myself, and I was waiting
for my friend he was running late, and it got dark and I'm chopping
wood and right before it got dark, I want to go pick up trash
with one of those little arm things. I'm just walking around with the bag
picking up the trash at the windblew, and I'm on the tree line

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next to the fence where the abandonedproperty is, and then I hear this
like weird, like like metal noise, like someone has a sheet of metal
and he's like bending it and it'sdoing the wall wall wall like that kind
of a noise. And it's justright up in there, and I'm trying
to look and there's no one upthere, and so I went and did
a wood knock and then nothing.I forget about it, and then it

(36:38):
gets dark and I'm getting the firegoing, and then I hear a crack
coming like on the other side ofthe tree line, and I hear crack,
so I kind of just look upand I'm looking through the fire and
I see these eyes just staring atme and they're standing up and it's not
even behind a tree or anything.It's just standing there. So I'm looking
at it for a bit and I'mlike, is that real? Well,

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and then I, for some reason, I pointed at it and I was
like, I see you, justto see what would happen. And then
the eyes just smoothly went straight tothe ground. It was like it came
like a foot off the ground justsmoothly went down. And then I was
like, Okay, that's real,and I got real scared. I was
by myself and it was my carwas halfway to it, so I couldn't
just go and sit in my car. And I never had an encounter that

(37:23):
close, and I totally believe itwas one, but I never had to
encounter that close when I was bymyself. And then I called my brother.
I was sitting around the fire,called my brother, and my brother
answers and I was like, Vinnie, I'm staring at one right now.
I don't know what to do.I'm kind of scared. And then he
was over there arguing with my dadand he's like, hang on a second,
Brian's and Brian's scared. So thenas I was talking to him,

(37:44):
my friend drove up the driveway andthen I looked over and it was gone.
It ran off. But that waspretty creepy, just the way it
moved. Yeah, what was itabout the way it moved. It just
smoothly went to the ground, andit went really low to the ground after
standing up after it was and feetup, and it's the eyes just yeah,
they didn't move much, it justlowered. You've described several colors of

(38:06):
eyes shine so far. Yeah.Yeah, I think it matters what light's
hitting it. Yeah, what kindof bulb or whatever. Yeah, or
ambient light perhaps, Yeah. Yeah, I've thought something very similar for a
long time. So that's what Iwanted to follow up. One of the
sea So, have you ever foundany animal kills or other foraging signs of
things that they might be going afteron or near your property? Not really?

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Oh no, One time I'll walkover by the dam and I see
deer prints coming up and then itlooks like a big foot came sliding down
the hill, and you see therewere the foot slid and it stopped right
in front of the deer, andit really looked like the bigfoot ran in
front of the deer and then youcould see some movement happen. But I

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haven't seen any dead animals or anythinglike that. One time I put out
a thing of twelve eggs next tothe fire and we went on a five
minute walk, and I came backand all the eggs were I left it
out for whatever wanted it. Itwas on the ground. When I came
back, all the eggs were goneand there was no broken shells or anything.
So they took that from you.Have you ever had anything else stolen,

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or have you ever tried giving themanything else besides me? One time
I had this little I have thislittle blue so I've seen on videos that
they like blue stuff for some reason. I don't know if it's true or
not. But I had this littleblue table I put deep into the trees
where they walked through. And Itried a few things, and one time
I had this black turmaline rock.His turmaline's real popular up there, and

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I found this big one and Iput it there and about two weeks later
I came back up and checked andit was gone. And I got on
the ground and dug through the dirtand I couldn't find it. I don't
know if it's rat knocked it ina rolled, but I couldn't find it.
That was about it. I'm afraid. I don't know what kind of
rock that is? What is justa black turmaline. It's like it looks
like a crystal or something like that. Okay, and is it you said

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it's black or is it blue?Or yeah, it's black's real, it's
real popular. Yeah, the tableis blue. So you left that out
for it, And so you haven'tgot anything back or anything? No,
nothing like that. Have you everfound anything possibly left for you or something
appearing inexplicably? No, that's whyI was trying to use that table for
it. But no, not really. Have you ever felt in danger while

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you're there? No, just creepedout like that one time I was staring
at it by myself. That waswhen it walked up and was breathing.
Those two times, I just wasreally scary. Kind of takes the fun
out of it. Did you noticethere was like with four people up there?
Or five or two or one.Sometimes we had like ten people up
there, and I've heard some weirdnoises. One time, for sure,

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we have this old storage container ofmy friends holding their stuff in and it's
about one hundred and fifty yards away, and there was like ten of us
being really loud next to the fire, and it did one of its screams
and we all stopped and I wasjust like, okay, there's one right
there. And there was at leastten of us. But usually the best
things happened when it's just me andmy buddy crew. I feel like they

(40:58):
can get comfortable walk up close.How often do you guys leave something up
for them they're like a tree ora gift. Like I used to do
it all the time, but nowI don't really I kind of just gave
up on it. Does it matterif you have a fire going, if
you notice like there's certain things thatentice them in or I think the fire.
I think they like the fire becausemaybe they realize we can't see anything

(41:19):
beyond that because their eyes. Ican't see anything when I walk away.
You said, most of the stuffhappens when there's two of you. How
often do you go there alone.I don't do that all anymore. A
couple of times I've driven up therein my car, but I don't I
had a car that had a bedin the back and I used to just
knock it out of the car andthen drive home in the morning. But
I don't have that car anymore.So that was about the only time one

(41:40):
out there alone. But I gettoo creeped out now. I just feel
like one could be just fifteen feetaway just staring at me behind a tree.
It's just it's too creepy. Okay, So you just don't do that.
Have you ever done that? Yeah? Maybe in the past. I've
probably done it a few times anddid things happen? Not when I was
The only time that happened was whenI had that stare down with it behind

(42:01):
the fire. Yeah, and Iguess that's enough to keep you awake.
Yeah, that was enough. Acouple of things might have happened. I
didn't notice, but nothing that Ilike, No story out of it or
anything. You mentioned a creek.Does that creak run through the property?
It gets a pond. The pond'susually empty unless it's winter, but it's
the overflow for the pond, andthen the water from the rain runs in

(42:21):
there, so it can get goingsometimes, but most of the ear is
dry. Yeah, mostly it's dry. I put a trap camera back there
for a while, but all Igot was a coyote and like a hawk
picking up a mouse. And Igot a few sticks throwing past. I
don't know if it was they looktoo big just to have the wind throwing,
but I don't know for sure ifit was them throwing sticks at it.

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How far away is the nearest reliablewater source. I think a couple
properties have some big ponds. Idon't have to look on Google, but
it's it's probably not far and theycould probably get to the bottom of the
lake and probably thirty minutes if theywalk. And I noticed there was a
calf watering hole right on the otherside of the road. You don't have
to go to the lake. It'sa cow watering hole, water flowing constantly.

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And I stopped over there one time, and the road's pretty thick with
trees, and I saw a bigtree that was snapped and it was pointing
right at the watering hole. SoI think maybe they're going to that watering
hole. If anything, have yougot a good look at one of these
things, because you did mention thewhen that one was very very close to
you how you saw it walk away. But is that the best look you've
had. I'm pretty sure I gota look at one's feet. One time.

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I woke up and we had thebathroom on the upper part of the
property, so it was like sixthirty. I was all groggy and kind
of out of it walking up andI was the only one up and I
hear this little crack to the rightof me, and it was in that
little little pocket where I had therocks thrown that one time. And I
look over without thinking, and Isee these like it looked like legs because

(43:51):
it was too tall to be acoyote. And I just see these legs
and immediately just walked away and wentinto the trees. And then I yelled
at my friend, and he lookedover at me and could tell that I
saw something down there, so heran over and just passed me up and
went straight into the trees, andI chased him in there and it was
gone. But then there was apigeon sitting there where I saw it,

(44:12):
and it looked like it was justpicked apart, like he was just sitting
there all morning picking this pigeon apart. And then when I got up,
you must have not noticed I wasup, And then I'm pretty sure I
saw one, and it was moreof a gray color. Did it pick
the feathers out and like pil them? Yeah, it was just the feathers
were all over in a circle,and then it looked like it was picking
the meat out of there or somethinglike spread out like like like intentionally in

(44:36):
a circle or Yeah, it justdidn't look like a coyote or something ripped
it apart. It looked different.But that was about the only time I
saw one in daylight, and I'mpretty sure it was his feet because it
was a coyote is not that tall, and this had a bigger mass to
it, and the way it movedit looked like legs walking out. I
didn't get the longest look at it. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond
with Cliff and Bogo. We'll beright back after these messages. You said

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you're thirty eight years old, right, so this property has been active for
at least twenty years. Yeah,at least. Do you feel it's the
same ones or I mean, there'sno way to really know that or anything,
but I believe so. Maybe Ithink maybe it was a couple of
teenagers and the parents or something,and maybe the teenagers are older now.
I don't know, but there seemto be a lot more. Maybe I

(45:28):
haven't given it a good of enoughtry lately this last year because I've been
after my car accident. It's beentrying to get everything back together, and
I haven't been up there like Iwas. But it doesn't seem like the
same. But they are there becauseI can hear them. What are the
plans for the property? Like,now, what you know? Once you
recover fully from your accident. Myfriend's been starting to pay for it,

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and he's like my best friend.So it's just empty and the road going
up to the property has a goodlongboarding road, so they have races and
everything up there, and he's reallyinto that. So groups of long boarders
have been going up there lately.Is that a skateboard thing? Yeah?
Yeah, okay, yeah, Idon't know. Its treat me. Treat
me like I don't know anything,because it's probably close to the truth.

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Yeah, So mainly it's just meand him, but sometimes he'll have groups
of long borders and then they'll they'llgo out in the morning. Are they
aware of it, Yeah, acouple of them are. I've had a
couple of friends. One time wescared the kid so bad. Well,
there was just three of us,me and Crew and some kid that never
really up there, and me andCrew heard a noise. It was really
weird noise, and we run intothe trees and he was he had to

(46:36):
follow us because he was too scaredto stay back, and me and Crew
are really into trying to find thisnoise and it keeps moving from us.
And then I look over at himand he's like, guys, I can't
handle this. He was scared todeath. He didn't know what to do
with him. So so it happensin the face of those things were so
freaking intimidating. You're just like,yeah, but sometimes, like me and

(46:57):
Crew will just sometimes we're just like, we don't care about it. Mike.
We heard the pigeons again, andthere was a couple of them,
and then we're just sitting around thefire talking and then about a couple of
minutes later, we hear them walkingthrough that pathway and they're so loud,
and we just looked at each otherand be like, oh, there they
are. We just didn't have theenergy to deal with it that night.
It's strange that you hear them movearound so much, because, I mean,

(47:19):
so many times they can just comein the ninja mode and not be
heard at all. It seems sometimesthey do, sometimes they do, and
sometimes they just don't seem to care. Do you ever actually hear them climbing
that fence. I've heard the fencemove a few times. Not that one
down there. I can't hear thatone very well, but I've had the
other one move randomly a few times. The chain link. Yeah, you
just feel like it sounds like like, I mean, we all have heard
people climb over a chain link fence, you know. Yeah, I definitely

(47:44):
heard a rocket at one time,but I haven't heard it doesn't sound like
someone's climbing it. So when youtypically go to the property, do you
have a routine, I mean,like looking at your behaviors, Do you
do the same thing most of thetime or what? What what would you
do if you went out there,say, tonight, I have this tree
right next to the fire pit,and I have the stick and now I
just hit the sticks together. Butusually I'd go up there and just one

(48:07):
or two good hits, like acouple of minutes apart, and then I
just do my own thing, andsometimes I'll have music on, sometimes I
won't. Sometimes I ignore them justto let them kind of get nosy.
It's kind of ignore him most ofthe time, and then they'll let me
know when they want attention, andyou really feel they want attention or yeah,
sometimes sometimes they do. For sure. There's the way they mimic those

(48:30):
that pigeon and it's just there,or maybe they're trying to talk to each
other as they're going by me andthink I don't notice. But sometimes I
feel like they really want my attention. Yeah, because that's something that occurred
to me when you were speaking,is that if you can completely ignore them,
maybe they think that, well,this guy's an idiot and he doesn't
know what you'ven't even here. Wedon't have to worry about him so much,

(48:51):
and we just they go about theirbusiness, and maybe that's why they're
not slinking around being all quiet.Yeah, well he used to call back
to him and stuff. I thinkI think they know that he's aware of
what you think I would think,So I think they are comfortable because if
it's a if, I just don'tsee them traveling that far. It feels
like they're just always there. Soit's got to be just they're just hanging

(49:12):
out. They know the area reallywell, and they get bored at nights
sometimes or sometimes they got to theygotta do something, They gotta get water.
Who knows. There seems to beplenty around to eat. What would
you eat if you were if youhad like lightning fast reflexes, could runs
fast as a deer and had notaste in good cuisine. There's a lot
of rabbits, a lot of birds. You can knock a tree, a
bird out of a tree pretty easily, a lot of pigeons, reptiles,

(49:36):
yeah, deer if you could huntone and a deer would be pretty easy.
So there's plenty of those sort ofanimals. And I know you mentioned
a lot of abandoned properties nearby anda couple that are perhaps occupied. Would
there be enough, say, cropsof any sort to help you out with
that? I don't know. Idon't travel much besides my property. The

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vineyard might have some grapes growing duringthe winter. I haven't gotten a close
look. I'll take a look nexttime. But other than that, it's
pretty dead desert. Besides the brushin the trees, it's pretty dead up
there. Yeah. Well, youknow, deserts have a huge variety of
food around. Yeah. I don'tknow much about that, but I do
know that there's a tremendous amount offood available, especially in the zones between

(50:22):
the forests and the desert, likethose transition zones. And it sounds like
that canyon, whatever that canyon is, has a lot of water running water
through it. Yeah, it getspretty big. It has a pretty big
waterfall. When we hiked down thereis I'd made this jump across this little
gap, and I'll never do anythinglike that again. It was so scary,
so if I would have fell,it was far enough to die.

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So then we got stuck so wecouldn't get back up. So then we
had to cut through people's property,going straight up the bank, and it
took us like two hours to getout of there. We were exhausted by
the time we got out, andwe're like, all right, never again.
Yeah, And of course the tweakersare the sentinels down there too.
Yeah, it's scary. We wentthrough the one property where we had our
heads down, and it was scary. Plans for the property. I know

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what you mentioned it earlier, butyour friend's been going up there. You're
going to build a house on it, or if we do, it's like
com probably is gonna build a littleshed eventually. He's probably doing the same
thing for now, but there's noplan to build a big house. There's
a well that just I bought thepump and the solar panels for the well
a couple of years ago, butnow we just need the piping and the
like the wires to go down tothe bottom. It's like it's like four

(51:30):
hundred feet or something. That's prettyexpensive there. Yeah, so we just
had a pause at that, butwe want to have it going so because
when I lived up there with thekid, we had the pond filled all
year long. Other than that,there's no real plans for it. Cool,
so you're just going to keep ondoing what you're doing. Yeah for
now, Yeah, I'm enjoying it. I want to get since I stop
using my shed. My friend builtit into a bigger house for him,

(51:52):
and right now I don't have anythingto sleep inside my car or a tent,
so I just need to build somethingto make it more enjoyable out there.
Is there snow right now? No, it snows about every two years
and it only lasts for about aweek. Okay, but it gets pretty
darn cold anyway though. Oh yeah, it's it's freezing sometimes for anywhere,
let alone southern California. Yeah,you get a good freeze out there.

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Brian has actually had a couple ofbigfoot celebrities and then a real Hollywood celebrity
come down and actually do an investigationthere. Can you talk about that?
Oh yeah, I had Matt Moneymakerup there one night and he brought up
Johnny Bananas from MTV. We dida whole thing up there one night,
and then another night he came upand brought Rob Low. That night was

(52:37):
interesting. Rob Low took a walkup to the top and we heard this
mountain lion screaming down on the bottomof the road and then you just hear
him coming running full speed down upfrom the top. It was funny.
What was your impression on television andhow it's made you know? It was
good? It was I think itwould scare the bigfoots away up there,

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but it was good. Too manylights and people, yeah, too much
going on and they might get interestedin it. I don't know when.
When Matt was up there with theguy from MTV, they were doing their
thing, and there was a mountainline up there that day because Matt saw
it in his thermal, so I, instead of waiting by the fire I
walked over to him, and likethe producer lady was there and their car

(53:20):
was down by the fire pit,and all of us were up there,
and and then out of nowhere,like we were on the backside as there
were filming, and her car dooropened and slammed, and then we all
looked at it. Matt didn't hearit because he was busy, but her
car door opened and slammed pretty good. And then we all looked at each
other, being like all right,And I was like, all right,
one's down there messing with us rightnow. But that was about all we

(53:40):
had happened that night. Was RobLove was was he impressively he heard there's
just that that mountain line. Thatwas it. There's no big foot action,
he said when he was up there, I don't even know if that
was a mountain lie. So itwas so weird and we're all there,
but he said when he was upthere. He said, it sounded like
someone picked up a big log anddown in the trees. So he was

(54:01):
already like listening to that and kindof creeped out on that, and then
the mountain lion voice started going offon the sound. It was just screaming,
like really loud, and it tookme a second to realize what it
was. But if it was that, but he definitely came running down.
It was pretty funny. So didyou make any screen time? Did you

(54:21):
get screen time on that Rob Lowthing? No, they didn't film on
that night. He was just upthere with the sun. But I was
on the I don't know what networkit was on. It was after Halloween
and I had about a minute anda half on there, maybe a minute
just on like the intro. Allright, Brian, Well, thank you
very much for coming on the showand sharing with us. I mean,
I think it's fascinating, not onlythe extended activity that you've been privy to,

(54:45):
but also the fact that it's insouthern California. You know, with
what sixteen million people living next story, you wouldn't think the Sasquatches around,
but sure enough they are, whichis a testament to a couple of things.
Number one, about number one ofsasquatches. Number two, the wild
land that are adjacent to one ofthe largest cities in the entire world,
and how wild they still are.I think it's fascinating, super interesting.

(55:07):
Yeah, about an hour and ahalf from San Diego. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, Well, thank you verymuch man for coming on. It's
super fascinating. I'm going to gocheck out that documentary. I don't spend
a lot of time looking at TV, let alone Bigfoot TV. But now
that I've met you, I havea reason too, so I'll go check
that out. They did a reallygood job of capturing it. You can
see everything he's talking about and itall makes sense. Okay, So I

(55:29):
guess that's heads up for all alllisteners. Go check out that stuff by
Eli Watson and Brian was the nameof the documentary, please Bigfoot at the
Border, Bigfoot at the Portum writingthat down right now, I'm sure most
of our reader our listeners are aswell. Yeah, but I'm going down.
I'm going to go. When Iget back down, I'm going to
go down and see him, andI think I'm gonna get some I got
some of our good terms I'm gonnabe able to borrow like real good ones

(55:51):
and go down and hopefully do anotheror two with Brian and his property here
coming up pretty soon. Yeah,that'd be fun. Yeah, well cool,
Brian. I'll check you out then. Thanks so much, man,
We appreciate you coming on. Yeah, thank you guys. All right,
Bobo, and that was a funone. Thank you very much for lighting
that lining up that guest, Ireally appreciate it, and again for all
the reasons that I previously mentioned.And you know, I mean, it's
so funny. I move, youknow, I move all the way up

(56:14):
to Oregon, you know, tobe near bigfoots and it turns out there
in my backyard when I was inLong Beach. Yeah, okay, well
cool, folks. Thanks for tuningin and joining us. We appreciate the
support, thanks to Brian down therein San Diego. And until next week,
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