Ep. 286 - Clobo's Ghost Stories!

Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
And now your host's Cliff Berrickman and James Boobo Fay, Hello,
Bobs up nothing man, just chilling hanging out, getting ready
to do a podcast right here.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
I thought you were Gonnay, I'm getting ready. Like building
Melissa's haunted house stuff.

Speaker 4 (00:43):
Well that is for after the podcast today. Actually, there's
a couple of things on my agenda, and certainly getting
all the Halloween stuff out of the shop is part
of that. You know, Sammy, she has more than one
complete shelving unit, and you know, like I build these
shelving units out a two by fours, they're you know,
two feet by eight feet essentially, and she has more
than one full of just halloween stuff. So that is

(01:06):
gonna be a big part of my afternoon today. So yeah,
we're gonna go buy some pumpkins and all that sort
of stuff because it is Halloween time, which is at
least half the year at my house, but it's also
the most important season of the year. So that's kind
of what I'm up to so today, at least today. Yesterday,
though I was in the woods, I got out to
the woods yesterday a little bit found a possible track way.

(01:28):
It was pretty vague interesting. I mean, it wasn't just
like one print in the ground, and it wasn't clear
by any means, but there were toes at least what
I'm interpreting is toes. But it was on a rocky
gravelly road, actually the same spot I took you when
you me and Dave went out last year. At some
point right at that intersection there, I observed four tracks

(01:50):
in the ground, and I think I was a three track,
no One two. There were three clearly observable, and I
think I'm missing one, and there was also a partial
that might have been one, and it's hard to say.
So yeah, I thought I was missing one in the
sequence of tracks. But if these were Sasquatch tracks, I
cast one as usual. It looks terrible. But if these

(02:13):
were Sasquatch tracks, it was I may measured about fifteen
inches long a little bit more, which is a different
new size, new size for this place. So far, I've
only gotten the fourteen, which is actually a thirteen and
a half and twelve, which is actually only eleven and
a half. But there's a decent chance that this is
actually the thirteen and a half or fourteen inch individual,

(02:34):
just leaving a little bit bigger print as all. So
I don't know. I don't know, but it might be
a new one. So I'm going to keep my eye
on the area, try to get out there once or
twice a week as weather permits. Although I shouldn't even
say as weather permits, because it dumped on me yesterday
when I was out there. I was out there alone,
just walking in the downpours, getting soaked. Man, it was
cold and wet. And then I went to a different

(02:56):
elevation and sure enough, snow yesterday. Snow no way, yeah,
I mean, I mean, not only was it just hailing
because the tumultuous weather, but there was actually light dusting
of snow everywhere.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
So it's winters here, man, It's the middle of October
and the winter's already here.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
So well, I guess that's not that out of the
organ I guess for this time of the year. It's
a little early, but unheard of.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
No, No, this is the time when the light switch
changes and suddenly it's not nice every day anymore and stuff,
and it's basically winter. So yeah, I think the upper
elevations are going to be closed now. I might be
able to squeeze one more trip up to Timothy Lake
or something like that, but that's about it. After that,
I think it'll be done. I'd like to go poke
around there. Some tracks are found in November of last year,

(03:43):
just outside of the Timothy Lake area. I'd like to
go check out that area, walk around, see if there's
anything going on that I can detect. But we will see,
we will see. We're at the mercy of mother nature
as usual. Anything going on with you.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
I'm just down with the folks has done so. I
also not doing my which I've called Wally a couple of times,
trying to get ahold of them, but I haven't heard
back anything.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
Well, you know there's other people down there too. Maybe
you can get together some of the old funny big
foot folks or something and hang out with them and
be good to see them, I'm sure.

Speaker 5 (04:10):
Or organize a pigeons reunion.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
Or yeah, pigeon reunion. Now, I'd get the flock back together.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
There is gonna be a little bit of one on Saturday.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
Really get some pictures for us.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's gonna be a lot of guys.
It's where we went to a grade school. In junior high.
There is the annual fair, So we'll go down there.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
Oh yeah, I go perch a little bit in some
of those trees. Used to hang that in.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Those are all gone. Not because of us either.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
You might be too big to perch in those things nowadays. Anyway,
you've grown a little bit since then.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
I talked with you for yesterday. He did tell me
that where the origin of the word, because I can't
remember where the pigeon came from. And it was because
when he was in when him and tr another pigeon
were in grade school, like seventh grade or something, that
coach wanted to call him the seagull their soccer team,
and it was a sisters team's name in the year

(05:04):
before was the Seagulls, and so they were protesting that
it was a girl tame name, and the goes, what
do you want me to call you guys the pigeons,
And those guys thought that was pretty cool, so they
that's where the name came from.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
You know, you could have called yourself the he Goals.
When we get old, we can call ourselves the bald Hegels.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
That's good to let you're on fire.

Speaker 4 (05:29):
No, I haven't changed a bit, Bobs. I'm just wearing
you down. You're coming to the dark side. You're just
appreciating my humor more. You're changing. It's not me.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
I appreciate the good stuff.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
Well anyway, it's it is Halloween times. So we thought
that maybe a fun thing to do for this particular
episode is kind of get into the spookier side of
things and you get outside the Bigfoot thing just for
a second, go beyond Bigfoot, if you will. So a
couple of people have been writing in and then asking
for some stuff. So maybe I'll pass the microphone to

(06:04):
Matt prou and you can kind of set us up here.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (06:06):
One of our members on the Patreon side, Nick McKay,
had written in for our members only Q and A episodes,
and he had said quote Cliff had alluded to a
ghostly experience in the past. Although I'm a firm believer
in the Squatch, I'm more of a skeptic when it
comes to ghosts. Nevertheless, I love to hear ghostly stories
and was hoping you guys might have something to tell,
And so I thought, you know, rather than doing that

(06:28):
in an answer to a question in a whole series
of questions, since it's Halloween, we could be fun to
do a whole Halloween special episode because I know both
you guys have some pretty good ghost stories.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
Yeah, I've had some really weird things happened to me
in my life, and you know, and people might be
surprised because I'm the science s guy or whatever, you know,
I'm an advocate of science and all that sort of stuff.
But at the same time I've had weird stuff happened.
My weird antenna has been up for quite a while,
and when your antenna is up, it attracts the right
kinds of stuff. The whole reason I liked the bigfoot

(07:01):
thing is because I was such a weird kid essentially
and weird young adult. I just liked unusual things, you know,
And I stumbled across bigfoot stuff, and I realized that
it wasn't as weird as I thought. And the weird stuff,
you know, could go in a different corner of my
life just for entertaining thought experiments, whereas this bigfoot thing, well,

(07:23):
that's biology, you know, and I can apply biological methods
and that sort of stuff to it, and that's what
I started doing. So I don't think there's anything weird
or paranormal about sasquatches at all, really, And many people
would disagree, and that's fine, do what you want to do.
But I'm only basing on my experience, my thirty years
plus experience in this field, being around these things, having

(07:46):
seen one or two of them in my life, been
tracking them and smelling them and hearing them. Never ever, ever, once,
if I ever had anything weird happen to me that
out of the ordinary around Bigfoot stuff. So I don't
think there's anything there, but that is me that I
don't enjoy the idea or of paranormal things, you know.
So just to dispel that incorrect belief and rumor that

(08:09):
circulates about me out there that I'm no fun about
all that sort of stuff, I just don't think it
applies to Bigfoot in any way whatsoever. But yeah, I've
certainly had some ghost stuff, and I know Bobo has
had more than his fair share of ghost weird stuff.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
Too, fair share, not more than more than well, yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:24):
You're fair share Okay, yeah, Bobo. Here here's a question
for you. Before I launched a couple of short stories here,
how far back can you remember, like how old were
you when you had some some of your very very
first weird things happened to you.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
My next door neighbor's house, which since it's been torn down.
When I was growing up, they had weird stuff out
at their house, Like did hear the drawers like the
civil where George stuff like that in the kitchen, Like
it was like those little round circle latches that like
run a hen so like you lived at the circle
finger and pull the drawer.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
Were out, oh kind of like a door knocker or
something like.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
That, right, yeah, yeah, exactly, those would go off sometimes.
I heard that a couple times. They talk about it,
and I heard it once or twice.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
And how old were you then?

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Junior high like maybe like you know, under sixteen, like
anywhere from twelve to fifteen. But I didn't seeing or
hear anything. They never felt anything. The person I had
that was like really weird para normally was the Evering
around two thousand, two thousand and two. Somewhere there was
when I had my first where I saw like that

(09:33):
shadow thing.

Speaker 4 (09:35):
Well, you tell us a little bit more about that.
I don't.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
I can't remember which one this is.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Oh, I was living in that house and we were
moving out, and I had that by big pit bull Dday,
that big one hundred and five pound pit bull that
was like a really good guard dog, and he was
he was chilling there with me and I was in
the bedroom and we had a big open door with
like a ten foot wide doorway going into the kitchen

(09:59):
area from the the living room dining room. There's an
old house with like the fourth oldest house in Arcada.
So and everyone told us it was haunted, but it
made so much noise all the time anyways that you know,
stuff settles and temperature changes. You know, there's pops and
all that kind of sounds. And so I never I
never listened to people and they say those places wanted.

(10:20):
I can feel it, and I was like, I don't,
I don't know. This seems fine to me. And then
after being there for several years, it was moving out
and I was actually unloading my shotgun, you know, put
it in the truck and move it. And as I
was unloading it, I see the my bedroom door look
out into the dining room right where it went into
the living room. I mean it in the kitchen area.

(10:40):
The kitchener had like a like a ten foot wide doorway,
you know, so we had an old quilt pinned up
over that to keep the heat in the living room
and dining area where we hung out because the kitchen
was big and kind of drafty. And I was sitting
there and all of a sudden I saw it when
I like, it looked like a uh like just someone
like whatever. All it was just all black, like a shadow. Yeah,

(11:03):
that curtain lifted up and the shadow went through like
where the curtain looked up, it went through, and I
was like, I thought it was like someone saw that
thought the house was empty because we were moving out,
but came into sea or something. I didn't know what
it was. And I had my shot and I ran
out and DD he was barking and charging out and
my next onever was flushing his engine on his on
his outboard. Right there, Bo was there, and I said, dude,

(11:26):
I go, and he's like, no one's, no one's here.
And I ran and looked down through the field and
there was there was no one there. And I was
like they must all they went into the bathroom. So
I got DJ we ran back in the house because
he could go off the kitchen into the bathroom, and
there's a pantry in there, and I thought, it's in
the pantry of the bathroom, and I ran and there
was no one in there, and I thought, well, they
must have circled back through the house and there was
nobody there. And then a couple years that I've heard

(11:49):
about the shadow people whatever you like, people like there's
just a silhouette of a black shadow and that's I
guess what I saw. It was. It was perplexing and refuddling,
but it wasn't like scary.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. I mean,
because not all ghost things or whatever are scary.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
Right.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
Sometimes it's like, what the heck was that? Then you
realize later that shouldn't have been there. I've even heard
of Bigfoot reports like that where they thought it was
a person or whatever, and then later on was wait,
that wasn't a person. You just thought it was something normal,
which is probably the first instinct of most people. Stay
tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo
will be right back after these messages.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
I did have one. Another weird thing happened the time
I saw I remember it was December two thousand and one,
and I was staying at the Volcanhouse on North Shore,
a walk who read a pipeline and one of the
guys lived in, This guy Brucey Brews, iarns he won
the pipe Maasters. That day there was this huge party

(12:55):
and so it's just going richter. And then that night
I was outside because it started getting pretty dark and
like real bad energy, like really batter. There was like
a bunch of fights, and then so I was outside
with this guy Kai Kayborg. He was like two time
super heavyweight street fighting Chapion of the world down in Rio.
It was him and this guy Sunny Garcia, who was

(13:16):
like this. He was a really well known kind of
Hawaiian guy, like he'd win the world title like the
year before or two years before, something like that for
a pro server. He was a big, pretty buff dude.
He was. He was a known tough guy whatever. And
so the three of us are sitting out there talking
and we were like going, Madison's getting pretty ugly in there,
and Ty was getting ready to throw everybody out. So

(13:38):
we're sitting and I'm looking I had my back to
the house looking at the ocean, and Ty was forty.
He was like a nine yearree angle from the beach
looking he was looking down like up up the beach,
looking east. And then Sonny was he had his back
to the ocean looking at the party, then be off
to like Sonny's left shoulder on the right side, on
my right. In the bushes, it's just a small space

(13:59):
like maybe twelve feet wide, like fifteen feet at the most,
like twelve feet or some bushes there along between the
sand and the and the where it drops off down
on the beach from the property. There's there's still about
twelve foot space. And in those bushes, I swear to
you also there's like three heads just kind of like materialized.
They were all kind of brown, like what were they

(14:20):
almost see through looking, but they were like three or
four times the size of a normal human head. They were.
They were big. They were probably like you know, two
foot by like you know, twenty four by eighteen inches
or something like that, you know, something like that. And
they were all like touching each other like three dots
like a pyramid shape almost like like a pyramid tilted
on its side. I guess thereic cahunas whatever. So that

(14:41):
was a hay out. That was a hay out they sacrifice.
Wherever we were standing was a hayout. They used to
sacrifices there. What's a hayout like a temple old Hawaiian
temple area. So I go, no way, I'm like, there's
some ghost heads and I don't I don't think even looks.
He just goes and Sunny just started chanting, dude, and
I guess I guess what he was singing. It was

(15:03):
like a chant was he was saying, I'm Sunny from
the this and this family line, and you chant out
like your your back of your family lineage and who
your family vanquished, because those might be ghosts of someone
that your family killed, that you killed them. It's not
like you got to be scared because your family killed them.
Is like we're more powerful than you, Like this is

(15:25):
my family line, Like whatever your family line is, you're
not as powerful with my family line. It's kind of
like how I guess he explained it later, but like
he started chanting like like these Hawaiian I didn't I
didn't know what the hell I was saying, I guess
it was mostly just names. They sayd the son of
the son of that. And then ty Tony closed your
eyes and looked down. They both had their eyes closed
looking down, and I did. And then I those my

(15:47):
eyes and looked down. I waited about thirty th I
opened up my looks and go, they're still there. He like,
close your eyes and look down, and he just didn't
say nothing, and Sonny was doing his little pant thing.
Then I closed my eyes for like another thirty seconds.
I opened him again. They were gone. Yeah, so that's
the only time I've ever seen the ghosts. Really. Yeah.
I thought I saw a second shuttle Man in Ohio,

(16:10):
but that turned out to not be a shadow man.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
Yeah, that was actually a Sasquatch. Yeah, that was That
was pretty funny. I remember I went to the You
were in the suv at the time because you'd already
finished your interview, and I go, bobes Man, there's a dude.
You go, Clive, I think I saw a shadow man.
What there shadow mass? No, No, you you saw a Sasquatch.
I came here to tell you there's one here right now.

(16:34):
It's like shadow man. That's that's the most logical explanation,
that was a big foot man. It followed us back
to the base camp.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
It was cool.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
Yeah, Flippy had a rocks thrown at him. I heard
Knox while I was doing my interview. Several of the
producers got pretty close with that thing, and I know
you saw it, and a couple of other people heard
it and got scared out of their place and stuff.
And that's not paranormal, that's just the big foot stuff.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
So that female preducer that smokes cigarettes, that she was
bad I to got and smoked away from, you know,
the main area. She went down by the river. She
thought it was messing with her, like going back and forth, rumbling,
mumbling and like picking rocks down in the creek. And
then it came up and walked up behind her, and
oh and she flipped out and ran and shut herself like.

(17:16):
I didn't tell anybody till till afterwards that it happened
to her.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
Yeah, some pretty cool stuff happened off camera. And of
course if it doesn't happen on camera, it doesn't make
the show, so it doesn't really matter. Yeah, well, you know,
so you sound like you're you're dip into that the
weird paranormal ghost stuff happened pretty late in life. Yeah,
because I look back at my life and I don't know.
I mean when you're when you're really young, it's hard
to say what's real and what's not, you know, because

(17:43):
I think that the little day you look at the way,
like small small young children behave like they're clearly on
a different level, you know, they're they're the veil is
much thinner for them, right, It's kind of like cats,
you know. I do like small children, I mean like
two or three years old, maybe four, there are kind
of like cats. They see things and experience of reality

(18:05):
that the adults just simply do not, Right. So I
look back at some of the things that happened to
me when I was very very young, and I would
venture a guess I was three or four years old,
and I don't know what's real. I assume a lot
of this stuff isn't real. But I had some very
weird things happen to be back then. One of the
earliest memories I have is being at the end of

(18:27):
the hallway. We had a long hallway in my house,
you know, connected all three of the bedrooms in some
various ways to the living room and stuff. I remember.
I don't even know how young I was. Again, this
is one of my earliest foggy I do remember being
in my crib. I have a couple weird memories of
being in my crib. Cheese that just reminded me of
another one. Yeah, I'll tell you that one first. I

(18:48):
do remember lying in my crib. And again, I don't
know how old I was when I graduated out of
my crib, but I remember lying on my crib and
it was a wooden crib. I remember the room it
was in. Ended up in my bedroom, you know, through
my adolescents and stuff. And on the wall was a
painted plaster clown, you know, like y'all painted up and

(19:10):
you know, this is like nineteen seventy three or something
like that. You know, I was born in nineteen seventy
so this had to be in nineteen seventy three, in
nineteen seventy four, so you can imagine the style of
art that we're dealing with. It was a plaster clown
that had been painted and I remember it very vividly,
you know, and I always thought it was very weird
that sometimes you know, it was a clown. So it

(19:32):
was smiling sometimes, but other times it wasn't. It was frowning,
And I never even thought about that, right, So how
a plaster clown could be both smiling and frowning sometimes.
But you know, you're a little kid, you don't really
question these things. And I remember, probably a decade and
a half later, I probably was like fifteen or sixteen
or more, at my grandparents' house when they were still alive,

(19:53):
and you know, rummaging around and looking for treasures in
my grandma's house because she always my grandma Grandpa's house,
because he had such cool stuf in their like spare
rooms and garage and all that sort of stuff. And
I ran across the clown and it blew my mind
because there it was smiling, but yet I have clear
memories of it frowning at me. I guess it's a

(20:13):
foreshadowing of psychological issues later in live for something I
don't know. And speaking of foreshadowing, another thing I witnessed
or I have a memory of, is that I was very,
very afraid of the dark when I was a kid.
You know, I think it's part of the reason that
I embraced the bigfoot thing. Because I'm an advocate of
if you're afraid of something, you should just go jump

(20:34):
into it, get over it, you know. But I remember
being I was afraid of the dark, so might I
would sleep with my door open, you know, to let
the ambient light into the of the rooms. And I
remember lying on my side one night and looking out
the door or whatever into that very same hallway, the
hallway that I'm gonna get to in a minute, and
I swear I have a memory of a three three

(20:56):
and a half foot tall, hairy biped running past the door.
How crazy is that? Like, as far as foreshadowing.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
That's that is that's kind of weird, right.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
Yeah, yeah, And of course, you know, I'm sure paranormal
advocates are going see they're inside your house, Cliff, I go, dude,
that was like three or three. Now, I suspect it
was something else, something that I don't think it was
a sasquatch in my house. Come on, I don't believe
that for a second. But you know, some other things
I observed, like one time, I swear to god, I
saw seven foot easter bunny at the end of the hall.
But again, I was like a kid, So what's real?

(21:26):
What's not? I don't know. I still remember what the
way it looked though.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
I saw six footunny when I was five. Really it
was my dad. It was my dad in the dark,
going around and in my mind, in my mind, he
turned into a six foot tall rabbit. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
See, that's what I'm talking about. Like, as a kid man,
you just don't know what's real and what's not. Which
are inventing which you know, It's like it's like kids
are tripping all the time on the hallucinogenics or something.
They just have that built into the brain.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
You know, I did the instrum. Bunny was coming that night,
and you know, I heard movements. So I'm pretty light
sleep right, I heard something moving around, so I jumped
up and got out of bed, looking dark. It was dark,
there were no lights on or anything. And I was
just like, seize your bunny. And then I was ye,
see somebody sees your bunny. And it turned out I
was just my dad.

Speaker 4 (22:13):
Well, you know I've seen your dad. That's a reasonable
reasonable mix up there.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
You know.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
There's one other thing that I remember very vividly, and
then this this scared the s the sha poop out
of me. This scared me bad. I remember again, I
had a night light because I was afraid of the
dark when I was very young, and I I was
probably like five at this time or something like that.
And I remember lying on my side, just like, you know,
staring at the night light. And I'm assuming this is

(22:39):
some sort of in between sleep and awake state hallucination,
you know, that sort of thing, you know. But I
remember lying on my side, the blankets over there, and
you know, I'm just facing my room and very slowly
rising up from from where I couldn't see it like
next to my bed. I had a fear of things
living under my bed too. My mom, gods, she would

(23:02):
always say, don't let the gorilla under your bed get you,
which is a horrible thing to say, is to a child,
Because there's a gorilla under my bed. I didn't know
about this, you know, and that scared me for a
long time. And again I think that probably fed my
or you know, put some wind in my sails towards
the Sasquatch Island I live on now, you know, being
afraid of these gorilla things under my bed. But I

(23:23):
was laying on my side and it was night, my
parents were in bed. I remember that, and then slowly
rising up from next to my bed, was ahead of
some sort and in the light it appeared, you know,
gray or something like that. And I just when the
head started coming up next to my bed, I just

(23:43):
remember it as this is a little kid. I'm thinking,
Oh my god, and I froze in fear as this
head slowly rose up until I could see down to
about its nose and it was looking at me. And
you know, at that time, I had already been super
interested in really in love with the universal monsters, you know, Dracula,
you know, Frankenstein and Wolf, all that kind of stuff.

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And at the time, the thing I thought it looked
like most was the Phantom of the Opera. I think
it's long chainey that plays that, you know, with like
the deep dark, sunken black eyes and the weird looking
nose and the big forehead and all that sort of stuff.
And it was just and it rose up to about
its nose and it was just looking at me, and

(24:30):
of course I was looking back at it, just horrified,
absolutely petrified in fear. And I remember it's like I
was trying to yell, which is why I think that
maybe I was half asleep, because one of those things,
but I couldn't do it, and I eventually yelled, and
then when I did yell, it just went poop back
down underneath the bed. And then that was horrifying and

(24:53):
scary and every single way. And I still remember all
of all of these events pretty well as well as
you can looking back, you know, fifty years into an
already cloudy memory, you know. But those were some of
the earliest weird things that I saw growing up and whatnot.
But that's not what the question was about, even though
I think they're pretty interesting stories and weird in this

(25:15):
very very spooky, halloweeny kind of things to share with
the listeners. And yeah, these are some of my experiences
that I have filed away in my in my memory.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
There I almost forgot, I do you have my scariest
It was up in Hoopa now, staying at my buddy.
And where they lived was where Fort Humboldt was. I
think I was called Fort Humble, Yeah, where they where
they were Fort Humbles on Humble Bay whatever it was
in Hoopa. There was like you listen to says, ground
had been stations out there for a while. And anyways,

(25:45):
there was the fort. There was a courthouse there and
there was a tree, the hanging tree, and that tree
still here. It was in my friend's yard and his
wife and we went to bed. She came in and goes,
if you have any problems, grab this bible and ask
you to help you. And I said, well, she goes,
if you need this, there's a bible here on the
butt on the nightstand. Take it and say Jesus helped me,

(26:08):
and he will. I was like all right, And so,
you know, we were going to sleep, but were going
to bed, and I was laying there and I was
it was a sodium light like a you know, Orange lake.
I don't know if a street light or a yard
light anyways, so that there was a light outside and
it was lighting up the room kind of and then
I just remember feeling like this full negative evil energy

(26:30):
come in and I couldn't see anything, but this thing
like kind of came around me, like it was like
a heavy presence and it and it came and started
crushing my chest and I couldn't breathe, and it started
pushing harder and harder, and I was frozen, and I
remember going like I'm wide out. I remember looking over
at the side, looking turning my head and looking up
the window, going okay, I can see the trees and bushes,

(26:51):
like I'm totally awake. I'm totally awake, but I'm like
it's it's got me locked up and I can't move.
It's freezing, it's frozen me, and it's just crushing me.
And I was like like having this battle in my mind,
going like get off me, get off me, you know,
like get off me, get out of here, you know,
like that kind of stuff. And then I remember what
she said about that Bible, and I said, okay, I
gotta get to that Bible. I remember like just struggling

(27:13):
and struggling, like I got a hold the Bible and
I brought it and I brought it back to over
to my chest and I said, she just helped me.
Do you tell me? Everything lifted, I could breathe, and
I just sat up straight, like bolted up. And then
I jumped up out of bed. I was like panting,
I was out of breath, and I was just like,
oh my god. And I always told that story like
I you know, I had my demon incounter. That was

(27:34):
a demon. I mean, I know it was one of
those you know, lucid dreaming events. But that was the
most scared I ever was in any kind of situation
like that.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
Well, even if it is some sort of physiological or
psychological thing, it doesn't make it any less real for
the for you experiencing it.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
No, that was terrifying.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
We'll be right back after these messages.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Oh you know, I did have another ghost experience. I
lived in that Victorian, just big, huge Victoria that got
converted in like nine different apartments, and we were above
the old carriage house up like on the third floor,
and there was two other apartments up there. I was
gone fishing or something. I came back and it was like,
there's someone broke into the attic up there, and she goes,
I was so scared. I was pre they're going to

(28:30):
come down into my bedroom. And I was like, she goes,
I don't know. They did. They're moving furniture up there
and they're living up there. It sounds like I was like, ah,
that's weird, and she said she hadn't heard it for
a couple of days. So a couple of days later,
I was home for a few days and then that evening.
It was pretty early still, like seven or eight o'clock.
We started hearing someone walking up there and like ragging

(28:50):
like some like someone moving like a table, like just
with one person, like moving a table, like dragging it.
You know. Then you're like how white boots are, like
you know, hard, hard souls, like you know, the dresses
or something like this pump punk punk like heavy footsteps.
We're like, oh, there's someone, Like there's someone up there.
There's someone living up there. So I goes, you know,
this is called the cops, you know, get them busted.

(29:13):
We called the cops and like I was, probably raccoons
broken up there. And they went and got a ladder
and they came up there and put it in the
hallway and CB and went up in there with their
flashlights and like they didn't go up all the way.
They just like poked their heads and shoulders from there
and they flashed it around and said, there's nothing up here.
I was like, that's the weirdest thing. I was like
his creed always say this place was super haunted, and

(29:35):
I was like, no way, And I was like I guess.
So then then we heard when we when we were
in the hallway. We heard more noise up there, and
the cop went back up there and shine the light around,
and all of a sudden, he just goes. And I
was standing probably about eight or feet back from him,
courses towards the entrance door, and he just goes, well,
jumped down off the ladder, and everyone everyone like there

(29:57):
was closter to him, the media all the like at
the scene. Well, well, and then all of a sudden,
this oldest air, like like a twenty five degree difference,
like drop like a thirty degree difference. It's probably like
probably fifty sixty degrees out like this thirty degree air
just slowly went not slowly but like walking speed, just
went completely engulfing, went past me, and everyone was freaking

(30:18):
out on the old nap came down on them and
went out towards the exit door, and it smelt like roses.

Speaker 4 (30:25):
Roses.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
Yeah, weird.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
Well, you know the I've had two ghost things happened
to well, maybe more, but two.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
To me.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
I mean, I don't know what else you'd what other
word you'd put on it, except for some sort of
ghost thing. I don't know what else to explain it.
Two ghost things happened to me in my semi adult
life in adult life. I say semi adult because this
happened in between my ninth and tenth grade years in
high school. Because in ninth grade I took a Spanish
and I did not do well. I got a D

(30:56):
in Spanish, so I retook it during summer school, you know,
to go back and raise my grade up for GPA stuff,
which is funny, yeah, because I speak Spanish all right now,
you know, it's pretty okay. But back then I just
did not get it for whatever reason. I think that
it wasn't mentally mature enough to deal with it. A
lot of my subjects were like that. I think I
probably can do calculus now, for example, but I just

(31:18):
wasn't mentally mature enough when I tried it the first time.
But Spanish was a challenge for me at that time,
and so my parents would take vacations every summer, you know,
and they went without me, you know, which is fine,
because I was getting at that age. I didn't want
to go anyway, but I couldn't. I was also too
young to be trusted at home alone, according to my parents,
so I had to go stay at my grandparents' house

(31:40):
on Stern's Sterns Avenue or road or whatever down in
Long Beach, California. So I remember I was there, and
one night I was lying in what used to be
my mother's bedroom and my grandmother used it for a
sewing room. And there are some old pictures of people
who I probably haven't related to, but I don't know,
and it's kind of a creepyople stacks of fabric and

(32:02):
you know that kind of stuff, lying around and in
a lying in a bed, and I remember lying on
my right hand side watching the the i'll say digital clock,
although I mean, I imagine a lot of our audience
might be too young, but a lot of our audience
is not too young to know these kinds of digital clocks.
It wasn't like an LED screen or what everything like that.
It was remember those, I guess. It was like two cards,

(32:25):
a top fifty percent and a lower fifty percent, and
over both cards the number would be written, but at
certain times it would like flip. Yeah, I remember those.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
I had a lone.

Speaker 4 (32:35):
Yeah, yeah, I don't. I'm not sure what that technology
is called. But I think some of our older listeners,
and I say older, like my age listeners, will remember those. Yeah,
I remember staring at one of those clocks, and I
don't remember what time it was at the time when
it's happened, but I was, as far as I can tell,
I was awake. But you know, there's some argument there

(32:55):
maybe I wasn't, because weird things happened when you're in
between awake and the sleep, right, But as far as
I could tell, I was awake. I remember this quite vividly,
and I was lying on my right hand side looking
at the clock as I was saying, and then about
halfway down the bed, the sheets lifted up like like like,
imagine again, this is just what I observed. Imagine somebody

(33:18):
grabbing the sheets with one hand and then lifting the
sheets up so it kind of had draped down from
that one place, like in a triangular fashion. You know,
That's what it looked like to me something the sheets
lifted up. I should say that the sheets lifted up
as if somebody was lifting them up with one hand.
And I'm like, like, going, what the And then I

(33:39):
felt the mattress at that same place where it looked
like the sheets were being lifted up. The mattress started
pushing down like somebody was getting into bed with me.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
You know.

Speaker 4 (33:51):
And at that point I was I was scared when
the when the sheets were up, but when the mattress
pushed down, like I was very very frightened, and I
kind of panicked and says, it was like halfway down
the bed where I was lying and I kind of
lie in a fetal position. What I did is I
took my one of my legs and I kicked, like
with the with the planter surface on my foot, like

(34:13):
the bottom sole of my I kicked off that direction
where this stuff was happening, and I hit something. It
felt like a person. It felt like I was hitting
a person like in the mid part of their belly
or something like that, or stirnham or something like that.
And as I made contact, I heard oh, and the

(34:36):
sheet dropped. And that was the end of it, except
for the next two hours laying awake in terror, not
wanting to wake up my grandparents or anything like that.
And I mentioned it to him later and they said, no, nothing,
nothing's weird ever happened here or whatever, you know, But
that that was the first time that I think I
encountered something immensely ghosty as a kind of an adult,

(35:00):
you know, what little kid hallucinations aside, but as an adult,
that was the first time that I encountered something that
really scared me bad and that I couldn't explain that
I seemed to have my facilities about. You know, it
seems like I believe I was awake during that time.
Maybe I wasn't, and that's the explanation for it. But

(35:20):
even then, it's just scared the heck out of me.
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Bobo will be right back after these messages, I guess.
I don't know if I can count that first one
as a as a sighting of a ghost because I
didn't see what was doing it. I just saw the

(35:42):
effects of whatever was doing it.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
That's crazy.

Speaker 4 (35:45):
Yeah, it's kind of weird stuff. Did I not tell
you that story before?

Speaker 3 (35:47):
Bobo nod? That's gnarly?

Speaker 4 (35:50):
Oh yeah it was. It was horrifying, absolutely horrifying. I
did not enjoy it. That's why I don't understand like
these ghost people and we have them on the podcast,
you know, Nick Gropp, Dave Schrader or a new like,
what are you doing looking for ghosts?

Speaker 3 (36:02):
Man?

Speaker 4 (36:02):
That's I mean, I guess each their own they're probably
looking at us, and why are you looking for giant apes?
It's horrifying. But I feel the same about them. It's
like I just don't get it, Like why would you
want to go do that? I guess the search for
the unknown or thinking that they're benign, or I don't
know what it was. I mean, I lived, so my
soul's okay, I seemed. And then at the second time,
and this is much more recently, this was seven years ago.

(36:25):
This one happened here, and it didn't happen to my
house where I live now. It happened to my house
at my house I lived in Portland, the small little
house over there off of Sandy Boulevard. So Melissa and
I met her on the show. We dated for a
few years, fell in love, decided to give it a go,
and so Melissa said that she would be willing to

(36:46):
live in Oregon.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
You know.

Speaker 4 (36:47):
So after all that stuff happened, what I did is
I flew out to Pittsburgh and then Melissa and I
drove out together in her vehicle, you know, and we
ship some of her belongings out that sort of stuff,
and so, you know, it was like a wonderful, cool
road trip. Took about a week or so to get
out here, four or five six days to get out here,

(37:08):
I can't remember. And then we get back on I'd
have to ask Melissa exact days, but I'll tell you
best my memory and give me forgive me if I'm
a day or two off, if I remember right. We
got back on a Friday, okay, and then Friday night
or Saturday morning, we get a call that Melissa's grandmother

(37:29):
is not doing well. Her grandmother on her mother's side,
she's not doing well. It looks like she's probably going
to pass away in the next couple of days, that
sort of stuff. So literally, Melissa arrives on a Friday, Saturday,
we get the news Sunday, I believe it was Sunday.
We put her on a plane to go back to
Pittsburgh to go be with her family during this horrible

(37:52):
time or you know, solemn time. Really, at least that
when her grandmother is passing away, right, So and I
and I get the word on Monday morning that grandma
had passed away. Okay, So at least Melissa got to
go back in time and allogize. And I believe at
least this is what I remember I could be wrong
about some of the stuff. So Monday morning, I believe

(38:14):
Grandma died. Melissa was still in Pittsburgh. So I'm at
the house Monday, Monday. Monday nights, I go to sleep,
you know, as I normally do, and then at some
point in the night, I don't know when, I didn't
catch the time or anything like that, for whatever reason,
I woke up. Now to set the scene, the room's

(38:36):
about maybe ten twelve feet square more or less. The
door is on one corner. The bed is on the
opposite wall of the door, and on the opposite side
of the room, so facing the door, I was lying
on my right hand side again as I often do,
so I could see the doorway, and the blinds are
letting a little bit of light in. So the room

(38:57):
has this creepy sort of bluish tinged it, you know.
And so I wake up in the middle of the night,
I don't know when, and everything's blue and kind of creepy,
and I just kind of wake up, and I look
over to the door, which is open, and there's a
there's a woman standing in my doorway. She looks to
me kind of like Melissa, you know. She had blondish hair.

(39:21):
She was looking down. She was looking downwards, just standing there.
She was in a nightgown, like a just kind of
a nighty sort of thing, like a loose, sort of white,
whitish thing that went down to about her knees. She
didn't wasn't wearing any shoes at all. I remember seeing that.
And she was kind of blondish hair, at least in

(39:42):
the weird like nighttime moonlight sort of thing. It looked
like she had blondish hair, or at least light colored hair.
And she was looking down and I could not see
her face. She was doing a strange movement. Her arms
were just hanging by her side, and she was like
stepping to her left foot, then back to the right foot,

(40:04):
then back to the left foot back. It's almost like swaying,
but like stepping back and forth, looking down. Hair draped
over her face, obscuring all of her features. But to me,
for all the world, she looked like Melissa in that
same position. You know, And at this point, you know,

(40:26):
I'm an adult, this is seven years ago, in my forties.
I go, well, I'm clearly dreaming this, right, So I
kind of like take a moment, I shake my head
a little bit. I literally rub physically rub my eyes
and just take a moment breathe, like this will solve
the problem, right. I look back up and the figure's
still there doing the same thing, kind of going back

(40:48):
and forth, stepping side by side slowly.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
You know.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
I can't see her face that whole thing. And that's
when I get real scared, because I figured, well, I'm
going to wash this lady right out of my eyes here,
you know. But did not work. When I looked back up,
she was still standing there. At that point. Well, it's
dark in the room, so I reached my hand out
to the I had a little night stand with a
lamp on it. I reached my hand out the turn off,

(41:13):
turn on the light. And as soon as my hand
goes out, and this this woman i'll call her that.
It's about five and a half feet tall or so
something like that. Her entire height condenses down, like from
from her feet, her goes it goes up from her head,
it goes down and condenses into this blur like this

(41:33):
swoosh like a show, and it swooshed out of the
room and down the hall towards the living room. You've
been to my house, so Bobe, you know, you kind
of picture this.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
It was like the.

Speaker 4 (41:45):
Moments I reached my hand out, of course, I did
turn the light on and nothing was there, and I
was just horrified and scared, and I look, and so
she's not in the room, my dog, So I call her,
so you were Sojia, come here, come here, and she
kind of trots in the room wondering what's up. A
few moments later she was sleeping in the couch in
the living room. And that's it. That's the end of

(42:06):
that story, really, because except for again being scared and
horrified for the next hour or two until I fall
asleep again when my adrenaline drops. So I don't know
what that was. Maybe it was I kind of have
an idea maybe since it did that figure did in
fact look like Melissa. I think that maybe that was

(42:26):
Grandma coming to check on her on her on her
way out the door, so to speak. I don't really know.
It did look like Melissa to me, though, except that
I couldn't see her face, and but you know her
grandma didn't have that color hair, and grandma't doesn't really
look like Melissa and all this other stuff. But you know,
souls may appear a little bit different than the outside
appearances could. So anyway, those are my two ghost stories

(42:50):
for this Halloween episode here, So there you go.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
That what is your grand parents house? That's when that
freaks me out, Like that's pretty gnarly.

Speaker 4 (42:59):
Yeah, I didn't like either one on honestly. I mean,
although I got to see the second one, at least
the first one, I just saw the effects of it,
lifting the blanket and getting a bed and all that stuff,
but I didn't get to see anything. They've had a
few weird things happen here too, actually at the house here,
but not very many. But you know what I think
would be a good thing to do is it is
I've had one or two things at the house here.

(43:20):
We can talk about that in the members section, And
I know Matt Pruitt has a good story associated with
Halloween as well. But Melissa, my wife, has consented to
coming on the member section and telling a few of
our own ghost encounters because she's had some weird things
happened through her time. So yeah, so our members will

(43:41):
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Speaker 5 (44:38):
Or click the link the show notes oh.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
Yeah, or as Matt prude said, you can also click
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Speaker 3 (44:44):
Well speaks how it goes there. So the serious voice
coming in out of the ether there, I was going.

Speaker 6 (44:50):
To say, we talk to a ghost every week, the
ghost of James Boba fe beloved dear Fred.

Speaker 4 (44:55):
Yeah, our deceased friend brings light.

Speaker 5 (44:58):
Into every room he ever entered.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
God rest your soul, God Rest your soul.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
Bobo.

Speaker 5 (45:03):
I think your soul is restless because you're with us
once a week.

Speaker 4 (45:07):
Yeah, how would that be if Bobo did die like
ten years ago and we've been dealing with a ghost
all this time.

Speaker 5 (45:13):
So dude, the afterlife sucks. It's lame.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
Okay, folks, Well that's it for another episode of Bigfoot
and Beyond. We got the beyond it on this episode.
Not too much Bigfoot or keep it treat to our name.
Well anyways says you're supporting us. Hope you have a
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